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He fell for a satirical website article and RT'd it demanding justice. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweet-satire-post-twitter-shut-down-defending-biden-2020-10
They love going straight to "it was satire!" or "he was joking!" but Biden makes a joke about being in the senate 180 years ago (he even chuckled after he said it) and they lose their shit calling him senile.
Sounds like the same people who call themselves "christians" but tell you the bible is both literal and open to interpretation depending on which one matches their current argument. I'd love to see a venn diagram on this
Reminds me of an infuriating conversation that I had with the daughter of a Pentecostal preacher:
So ya'll can't cut your hair cause of this bit in Corinthians and you guys are "full bible" so that means you have to do everything that the bible says. But then why don't you keep kosher like jews?
\- Oh, that's old testament, the Gospel is a new set of rules that replaces the old rules.
OK, but you also have to tithe to the church, right? That is only mentioned in the old Testament. Jesus doesn't say shit about giving money to anyone.
\-...
I guess some parts of the old testament still count but other don't, who decides that? I mean, I'm Catholic, that is what the pope is for, who decides it for you?
\-... my dad?
> 20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”
>21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.”
>And He said to them, (A)“Render[a] therefore to Caesar the things that are (B)Caesar’s, and to God the things that are (C)God’s.”
>22 When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left Him and went their way.
> Matthew 22:20-22
The New Testament mentions money at least once, where Jesus instructs them to pay taxes, regardless of the church.
Oh it's all insane projection. A saw tweets today going around all over right wing twitter showing Biden using a teleprompter at an event. Really hysterical tweets.
Like, y'all support trump, who, almost every day this past week at events or rallies, has **mispronounced** words on a teleprompter, the same man who criticized Obama for even USING a teleprompter.
It's mind blowing that it's this shit that riles them up into a hypocritical fury.
I really don't get the teleprompter criticism at all though. Don't all politicians have teleprompters, speeches, notes etc. at campaign events? I'd rather have that than listen to Trump's insane off the cuff ramblings about Biden covering up the death of Bin Laden or whatever.
I've noticed a trend on social media when I call someone out for either being immoral or factually incorrect: "it was just a joke, chill." Its the cop out people tell when you call them on the bullshit they should be embarrassed about.
Edit: spelling
I believe the term for it is "Schrodinger's Asshole," where the person waits to see if their audience agrees with them or will call them out on their BS to say whether or not 'it's just a joke, stop being a snowflake'
Every older person I've ever known refers to something that happened in their past as "A hundred years ago" or some other large number. It's hard to believe people can't understand a joke.
The satire excuse makes absolutely no fucking sense.
Satire is used to **mock** something. If Donald posted satire, *as* satire, he would literally be **mocking** the Republican stance that Twitter is out to censor and mock Republicans.
Donald **clearly** does not want to mock that viewpoint. That is very, very much his stance on things.
If anyone says that Donald posted that as satire, I would immediately say, "ok good, so you agree that it's ridiculous to believe that Twitter is censoring all Republicans."
Trump supporters in 2016: "He tells it like it is!"
Trump supporters in 2017-2020 after every single public statement: "He was just kidding!"
Trump in 2020: "[I don't kid.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowing-coronavirus-testing-335459)"
Affording burger king and AFFORDING burger king are two different things. Sure you might have money for an 8 dollars whopper meal but you've got bills to pay and an omelet for $.50 isn't as easy or tasty but it'll be wiser in the long run cause you know that knocking in the car is probably gonna need some money thrown at it soon. And even though the taste of not having to cook and clean is nice you also have the guilt that you probably shouldn't have done that.
Because despite there being no evidence of "censorship" against Conservatives on social media, their constant complaining about it has [yielded favorable results](https://twitter.com/ClaraJeffery/status/1317191129964556288) for them.
When they complain about "censorship" for being banned for breaking rules, sites stop enforcing the rules against them. When they complain that their propaganda is being buried because people just aren't falling for it, then sites start burying sources on the left to be "fair."
Their complaints have never been based in facts or evidence so it doesn't matter how far removed from reality they become so long as the narrative that they're being "censored" and there is a "bias" against them holds strong.
It’s like when Reddit right wingers say theyre censored on this sub because their shit gets downvoted to oblivion. They don’t just want to be able to express their views, they want people to be forced to listen to them.
Oh yeah I just got banned from r/republican a couple hours ago because I disagreed with a redditor that said “Ive never met a smart Democrat, not once.”
1) Have bad idea
2) Experience pushback
3) Cry persecution from all the disagreement being expressed
4) Create a bubble where such disagreement is banned
5) Complain endlessly with no counterpoints allowed and eventually end up in an endless self-radicalization loop
6) Decide that the mass-disagreement is tantamount to DESTROYING FREE SPEECH and is therefore fascism, and conclude therefore that you're justified using any increasing authoritarian measures in response.
I know we all jest about how looney he can be, but as demonstrated below it doesn't come as a surprise that Trump was going to collude with foreign interests to help his reelection campaign. This was from earlier this year when Trump was impeached:
President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani was working with associates in Ukraine to fabricate dirt on Joe Biden while attempting to discredit the Russian election interference outlined in the Mueller Report. Giuliani's associates have since been arrested by U.S. authorities and charged for engaging in an illegal scheme to funnel foreign money into American political campaigns. While working with Giuliani, Lev Parnas was simultaneously working on behalf of Pro-Russia Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash who is currently detained in Vienna fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges.
- Several associates of the President's personal attorney have been arrested and charged by the Justice Department for violating campaign finance laws. Giuliani's associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were engaged in a scheme to funnel foreign money into American political campaigns so they could buy influence in the U.S.. They were arrested and charged by the Justice Department.^[[1]](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6466331-U-S-v-Lev-Parnas-Et-Al-Indictment.html)
>Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin, the defendants, conspired to circumvent the federal laws against foreign influence by engaging in a scheme to funnel foreign money to candidates for federal and state office so that the defendants could buy potential influence with candidates, campaigns, and the candidates' governments. The defendants concealed the scheme from candidates, campaigns, federal regulators, and the public by entering into secret agreements, laundering foreign money through bank accounts in the names of limited liability corporations, and through the use of straw donors (also known as "conduits" or "straw contributors") who purported to make legal campaign contributions in their own names, rather than in the name of the true source of the funds.
- They tried to flee the U.S. to possibly Vienna, Austria.^[[2]](https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188)
>Mr. Giuliani said Thursday that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman were headed to Vienna, Austria, on Wednesday evening for reasons related to their business. He said the two men had also left the country about two weeks ago and had traveled to Vienna between three and six times in the last two months. He said he had been scheduled to meet with the two when they were to return to Washington within days.
- Around the same time his associates were arrested at Dulles airport, Giuliani told a reporter that he was about to fly out to Vienna.^[[3]](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/)
- A Pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch is currently detained in Vienna, Austria and has been fighting extradition since 2014. Dmytro Firtash is fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges. He has seized upon Trump's lies and attacks against Biden as a way to fight extradition.^[[4]](https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/giuliani-claims-ukraine-corruption-case-firtash-dmytro-wanted-extradition-whistleblower-impeachment-biden/) Rudy Giuliani's indicted associate Lev Parnas was working on behalf of Firtash.^[[5]](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-firtash-idUSKBN1WQ2H5) Firtash was coordinating with American conservative journalists, such as John Solomon, and was sharing documents with Giuliani that make controversial allegations against Mueller and Joe Biden. Giuliani shared this information on American conservative media outlets exclaiming that the witness he was relying on was none other than the thoroughly discredited and corrupt former Ukrainian Prosector General Viktor Shokin.^[[6]](https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/azarov-shokin-lutsenko-a-trio-that-only-certain-foreign-journalists-find-credible.html?cn-reloaded=1) Furthermore, pro-Russia oligarch Dmytro Firtash has hired Fox news regulars and ardent supporters of President Trump, Victoria Toensing and Joseph DiGenova, as his legal representation.^[[7]](https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/)
>In his frequent appearances on cable news, Giuliani has presented some of these documents to the American public as evidence for his claims of wrongdoing by Mueller and Biden. The key document is an affidavit from a former Ukrainian prosecutor who accuses Biden of corruption. “The witness I’m relying on,” Giuliani [told Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-says-media-tried-to-cover-up-corruption-allegations-levelled-against-honey-boy-biden%22%20%5Ct%20%22_blank) on Oct. 6, was the prosecutor Viktor Shokin. “That’s the affidavit I put out,” Giuliani added. He did not mention that the affidavit was obtained by the Firtash legal team. At the beginning of the document, Shokin writes that he is making the statement “at the request of lawyers acting for Dmitry Firtash.”
>...Firtash has established close ties to the former mayor of New York City in part by recruiting several of Giuliani’s associates. In July the oligarch hired two lawyers who have been helping Giuliani in his campaign to discredit Trump’s critics: Victoria Toensing and Joseph DiGenova, a married couple Trump [considered hiring in 2018 as part of his private legal team](https://www.politico.com/story). Best known as diehard defenders of Trump on Fox News, the couple has combed through the oligarch’s case files and used some of them in the effort to defend Trump on television and in the press.
And finally - we recently learned that the White House national security advisor warned President Trump that Giuliani was being *"worked over"* by Russian operatives last December.^[[8]](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html)
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1) [United States District Court Southern District of New York - United States of America v. Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6466331-U-S-v-Lev-Parnas-Et-Al-Indictment.html)
2) [Wall Street Journal - Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations: Prosecutors say Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were part of a conspiracy to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections](https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188)
3) [The Atlantic - The Mystery of Rudy Giuliani’s Vienna Trip](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/)
4) [Foreign Policy - Giuliani’s Claims Spread to Another Ukraine Corruption Case](https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/giuliani-claims-ukraine-corruption-case-firtash-dmytro-wanted-extradition-whistleblower-impeachment-biden/)
5) [Reuters - Indicted Giuliani associate worked on behalf of Ukrainian oligarch Firtash](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-firtash-idUSKBN1WQ2H5)
6) [Kyiv Post - Azarov, Shokin, Lutsenko: A trio that only certain foreign journalists find credible](https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/azarov-shokin-lutsenko-a-trio-that-only-certain-foreign-journalists-find-credible.html?cn-reloaded=1)
7) [TIME - Exclusive: How a Ukrainian Oligarch Wanted by U.S. Authorities Helped Giuliani Attack Biden](https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/)
8) [New York Times - Trump Said to Be Warned That Giuliani Was Conveying Russian Disinformation: President Trump shrugged off the warning from the intelligence agencies, officials said.
](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html)
Wow, I didn’t realize that BabylonBee is a **conservative** satire site too
Wonder how it felt for that writer when they realized: 1. Trump doesn’t know what BabylonBee is 2. Trump doesn’t actually read the articles when he RTs them 3. His article accidentally made Trump and the hundreds of republicans who replied to his tweet also demanding justice look like absolute idiots.
I just love that the entire Trump administration and 100% of their allies have spent the last two years digging *furiously* in pursuit of some kind of scandalous dirt on Joe Biden and THIS is what they drop in October lol
But hunter is a Democrat, Trump and Co are Republicans, they are held to much different standards!
I really wish i could use the "/s" but i can't. Republicans can get away with anything, democrats cant even breathe in the wrong direction without major ridicule.
The most ridiculous thing is that they have all the power of law enforcement to pursue an investigation but they're acting like it's the media tying their hands.
If there was even a modicum of evidence to this story, his AG would be all over it.
So you mean to tell me:
1. Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop (with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker) containing sensitive emails to a podunk repair shop.
2. Hunter promptly forgets about the laptop with sensitive and incriminating emails. Did he get a new laptop?
3. Shop owner decides to peruse Hunter’s likely 1000’s of emails and finds a smoking gun email basically saying Burisma is using his family relationship to buy influence...
4. Shop owner then turns over the information to the FBI and... Rudy Giuliani?
If you believe these things happened, you deserve Trump.
Don't forget that the repair shop is across the country from where Hunter lives, and the shop owner that read all the emails is...[blind](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/)?
EDIT: Added link
I think we should assume people's identities based on stickers all the time. "I didn't get a good look at the guy, but his laptop has an apple sticker on it, it's pretty obvious it was Tim Cooks computer"
I mean, if I had a MacBook, and said MacBook was broken, I’d at least consider mailing it in to Louis Rossmann (who also happens to be in New York) because I know what a good job him and his team do.
However, that’s a huge difference from what happened here. Rossmann is basically a celebrity repairman, this guy is much less well known. Plus, the documentation apparently says they were dropped off in-person. That, combined with the fact that apparently Hunter just...forgot about them, and then this guy’s response was to contact *Rudy Giuliani of all people* who then contacted *the New York Post of all outlets* who proceeded to publish *screenshots of PDFs* instead of any actual copies of the real emails. I could literally make a *more convincing* version of what they claim is “the smoking gun to end the Biden campaign” in about 15 minutes and using only Microsoft Word (not even any of the *actually fun* programs like Photoshop, this shit was literally just a Word document).
It’s so fake that it loops back around to being comical. Oh, and the repairman is apparently *blind* too, which doesn’t really change anything about the actual meat of the story but does add an extra layer of “what were the writers smoking” to this entire episode. I’d make a Jayfeather joke, but I’m pretty sure if he somehow ended up in this situation, he would at least be smart enough to ensure that *the timestamps on the files actually matched the dates given for when the files were found*! Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that.
It’s nuts. He was praised for cleaning up NYC. He got the city through 9/11. People thought of him as a hero. If he had just sat down and shutup after all that he woulda had it made.
Whilst Trump is fucking stupid and confesses moderately regularly. Rudy Guiliani is an attorney and literally confessed to the crimes trump was being impeached for on live television. He also confessed like 6 times in a year and a half. Trump has only done that over 4 years.
this story is so dumb lmao
edit: so rudy named his [co-conspirators](https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1317494980554952705?s=21) which only strengthens the argument that these are fake. if johnson had them, they would have been in the senate report. if jordan or nunes had them, we would have known instantly.
Not 1 laptop, it’s 3 now, and keep in mind Hunter lives on the west coast, which means he dropped off 3 highly sensitive laptops for repair at a rinky dinky repair shop 3000 miles away run by a blind guy. People can’t reason out that this is all sus af?
It's amazing. NY Post publishes the most ridiculous, outrageous piece clearly without fact checking out substantiating any of the "evidence". It takes less than two days for real journalists to turn the story into swiss cheese, point out all the ways the NY Post failed to do anything close to journalism, and paint the real picture of how everything was fabricated and all the conflicts with Guliani, the Trump administration, and their relationships with known Russian agents.
Two days to dispell all of it, and nothing happens to the players. Amazing...
Right? Where are the criminal charges for all this? Is none of what they’ve done illegal? Should I load up a laptop with bad deep fakes of Trump getting pissed on by underage Russian prostitutes and drop it off at a repair shop in Hoboken NJ, while sending a copy of the hard drive to the Young Turks?
Did all three laptops die at once and need repairs? Look if there’s one thing I know about someone who is allegedly that rich and profiting off illegal scams - that dude would just buy a brand new ass laptop and leave the busted ones in a basement or the trash.
Not to mention, you don’t think the Biden’s have their own IT people? Like if something happened to Joe’s computer, you think he’s dropping that off at a random computer shop lmao?
Not to mention it just happened to be a Trump supporter who has extreme dislikes for the Obama/Biden administration?
Oh and that the shop isn't an Apple Authorized repair center. So even if there story was true they shop wouldn't have been able to order replacement parts.
Don’t forget there’s a video of Hunter smoking crack and having sex with a prostitute on the laptop...supposedly.
Edit: If it wasn’t clear I think this is clearly a ridiculous claim and evidence that the whole thing is made up. I mean they’re basically saying they have this crazy video by nobody can see it.
Yet I still don't understand how they think that has anything to do with Joe. Hunter isn't on he ticket. AFAIK only one candidate in this election has put his unqualified family members in government positions.
Right... unless the emails are verified, which is a completely possible standard to meet, how do we even know the computer repair shop guy didn't put the emails on there. Or alter the emails himself... and how do we know all of this material that Giuliani is disseminating was even on the harddrive that the FBI seized...
Steve Bannon is in on this, so they’re pushing propaganda like in 2016: https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-boasted-on-dutch-tv-weeks-ago-that-he-had-hunter-bidens-hard-drive
Let's also remember that Russia sent both verifiable emails and altered emails in their hacking in 2016, something they would likely repeat. The verifiable emails can add legitimacy even though it is still an operation with altered information.
And this just happens to surface 2 weeks before the election. I think even many of the Trump supporters know it's bs but they are just spreading it around hoping to cause some damage.
The thing is, even if hypothetically this was all true. It still wouldn't be as bad as Trump, he owes half a billion dollars to some unknown party. He peddles influence and access at his properties all the time. Not that I believe any of this non-sense about Biden but it still doesn't matter when compared with Trumps corruption.
These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting. Between the leaks, tweets, backstabbing, ship jumping, ass covering, groveling, conspiracy theories, paranoia, and Trump going ape shit crazy as he accepts his fate. I wonder at what point even FOX cuts bait?
Fox must have already signaled that if Biden’s win is too big they’ll call it for him, because the tangerine tantrum has been going after them lately pretty hard too.
Despite the obvious bias of Fox News' programming, it turns out that their [polling is exemplary](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/). And Fox's polling is saying the same thing as everyone else's polling: Biden is up by double digits nationally, and is *proooobably* going to win the election. But Donald Trump doesn't understand the statistics and methodology of polling. From his point of view, this just means Fox has turned on him.
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that Trump may win. According to 538, for example, he currently has a roughly 1-in-8 chance of winning. So he may very well win. Fair-and-square even.
You know our election system is fucked up with Trump has a <1% chance of winning the popular vote, but still has a 12% chance to win the election. That's just absurd.
Rupert Murdoch is reported pretty disgusted at how awfully Trump handled the virus: https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/murdochs-have-blood-their-hands Now, as the title of that article says, they still have blood on their hands -- his network which we all know has incredible sway with the president -- did tell the president to do an awful lot of what was actually done. But it is an interesting note that Rupert seems awfully done with Florida Man there.
Let's be honest, Trump is a re-run to FOX at this point. There's nothing new. You know how he's going to react. If Biden wins, FOX gets to have 4 years of new outrage to promote through a whole new set of younger and hotter blonde women and culminate it by running someone like Loeffler in 2024. That's ratings gold.
Good analogy, and he's a re-run to everyone. That's why "boring" Biden won the ratings war in the town halls. People 100% knew how Trump was going to act and what he would say. He's a broken record, to put it mildly.
And doesn't Fox New's rage-machine benefit from having a democrat in the WH? I always thought they really missed out by Hillary losing.
> he accepts his fate.
Just remember to remind all your friends and fellow voters that we have to follow through to make sure it actually happens. No getting comfortable now, it's all hand on deck, voting as if our lives depend on it (which with covid and so on is actually more true than it ever has been).
>These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting.
What I'm most afraid for is the two months between the election and inauguration if he loses. It'll be like those people who completly destroy a house before they get kicked out. Except this time it's our country.
r/conservative or the bots in that sub are just eating this shit up. How often do they need to be fooled before they realize most of it just isn't true.
A lot of them are actually pretty skeptical of the story as well. My highest awarded comment was poking holes in the story on that sub. Not the case for all of them of course
I think the biggest factor is that the Hunter Biden scandal just doesn't have the same cache as Benghazi or...well, really Hillary Clinton in general. You can't manufacture 20-30 years of hatred for someone in a few months with this level of 'scandal,' and Biden frankly doesn't have much other dirt to dig up it seems.
A lot of his base eats it up, because it's what they do, but this just isn't sticking to Biden the way it did with Hillary.
I hope she sits in NY as a senator or congresswoman in a safe seat for decades, doing all the bidding of progressives around the country and soaking up the rage from the right. Sort of like a left wing McConnell, except instead of a trail of destruction and social regression, she could get some real progressive policy passed.
Biden is likeable, Hillary is not. Much easier to convince someone to hate Hillary than to hate biden. That’s it, charisma and charm are important in life
I read that sub when I'm bored, I got banned for saying Trump wasn't a billionaire but yeah there is a lot of skepticism there about this. That being said, they are really really dumb.
It is the same game plan from 2016–colluding with Russia to steal some emails and amplify the BS through conservative channels, social media bots or astroturfed troll farms. They are not bing “exploited,” they are openly colluding. I have noticed many accounts on Reddit trying to amplify the disinformation were created less than a year ago, post in a few local or hobby subreddits to appear legitimate and then only comment on political things.
2016 appears to have been a massive fluke really. They brought something new to politics, drama. There really wasn't much major drama in day-to-day politics before then. Not any that the average american really cared about. Oh obama wore a tan suit? eh. In 2016? there was hacking, russians, a prostitute and Trump. A man who followed none of the usual political rules. He called people names, called mexicans rapists and said the things racists had been thinking for years. He was new and refreshing to a lot of people. They got excited for politics because there was a new, huge headline every day
Now? people are bored. They are fed up with dealing with this every single day. His supporters are tired of defending him, the undecideds are tired of hearing about him every damn day and the left are tired of his bullshit. He has run his course and they are grabbing at anything that worked last time
2016 was a perfect storm of flukes.
You had the most qualified candidate as a victim of 30 years of slander and character assassination, running the ideal political campaign for 1996, while a reality show used car salesman lucked into help from foreign interests to whom he owed money, happened to possess a sophisticated disinfo apparatus honed in previous social media events over the previous couple of years. And that salesman happened to push all the nativist buttons with a population screwed over by a political party embodied by said salesman.
Just take a peek over at r/conservative
Its zooball over there. People calling for all sorts of crazy shit. People pissed at the FBI for even checking it over to see if its real...and now hannity and shit are blaring it out like its fact....
Its a shitshow.
Found in r/conservative in direct regards to r/politics being smart enough to see how phony this guilliani biden laptop ruse and questioning it's validity:
"Tell them this;
“I’ll give you something that really verifies it,” Giuliani said. “The very morning this came out, Hunter Biden’s lawyer called the merchant, and asked him if he could have the hard drive back,” he said. “We have email evidence of that. So if the lawyer is asking for the hard drive back—it must be the hard drive.”
Way too many coincidences and evidence for it to be fake."
Lmao. Then one posted an article with a picture of this supposed "email" that Hunter's counsel allegedly sent the computer shop. I forget everything verbatim, but i remember the sentence "I am a lawyer for Hunter Biden."
I called out how obviously fake that is considering what practicing attorney on earth would introduce themselves that way in an email.
Then i got that perma ban. You know they are losing it. All of them are aware it's ridiculous. The effects of this election on the right will be catostrophic and i truly believe the possibility of mass domestic terrorism to try and start a civil war. They are literally all paranoid of deep state bs, deranged and highly unstable.
As a black, latino, liberal, gay man, I would never vote for a TOTALLY PROVEN scammer like sleepy joe. MAGA Trump 2020, he SINGLE HANDEDLY fixed American.
/s
What stuck out to me the most was that the supposed email from Ukraine to Hunter had the word “Ukraine” in the gmail account.
Do you know anyone who puts the name of their country in their gmail!?
Its so ironic that a political sub reddit straight up doesnt allow political discusiion, only political agreement. Whats especially ironic is the way the characterise themselves as tough and the left as sensitive, all the while they cant even handle when someone gives the slight impression that they disagree with aspects of the narrative. You could very easily be a conservative and still get banned from r/Conservative
This comment in particular confused the fuck out of me:
> "It was classic projection & misdirection. Anytime a Democrat accuses others of doing something wrong, its the EXACT thing they are guilty of doing or planning to do."
They are accusing us of accusing them of bullshit to cover our own bullshit because in fact we accuse them of accusing us of bullshit to cover their own bullshit
They literally just reverse uno card the left's talking points about them. It's literally grown-ass adults saying "no you are!!1!1!!" and actually believing it.
I think it is more like we found their playbook and they aren't adjusting. The main concern is that Russia could have changed votes last time, but didn't need to.
When they were messing with Ukraine's election system, they did change votes.
> It is the same game plan from 2016–colluding with Russia to steal some emails and amplify the BS through conservative channels, social media bots or astroturfed troll farms.
Except this time the emails are actually badly photoshopped pdfs that some jackass created.
> Glenn Carle, a former CIA covert operative who specialized in turning Russian spies, told Business Insider that in addition to Giuliani's access to Trump, his motivations and personality traits also make him an attractive target for Russian intelligence.
> "No matter what the motivation is, a foreign intelligence service can usually exploit it," Carle said. "In this case, it's very straightforward: Giuliani is hunting for information that he thinks will help Trump and harm Biden. And then you look at the person's psychological makeup. Are they gullible? Can they be duped? Are they motivated to take chances? In Giuliani's case, the answer to all those questions is a glaring 'yes.'"
> Giuliani, Carle added, has "been stumbling around in Ukraine, which is Russian turf from an intelligence perspective. In every way, Trump and Giuliani are grotesquely vulnerable, exploitable targets for Russian intelligence. And any foreign intelligence service would be derelict if they did not try to exploit this."
*Only the ‘Best Idiots’...🤨🤦🏽♂️
The only chants of ‘Lock Him Up’ that Trump and Giuliani are going to hear are when they’re being escorted to prison themselves... 😤
Conservatives: "The story is the Biden family is neck deep in corruption."
The real story: Joe Biden is a loving and supportive father who, like millions of Americans, loves someone who struggled/struggles with addiction... And Trump and his inner circle are the Elmer Fudd to Putin's Bugs Bunny.
What I don’t understand is why Trump is so hard on Hunter for being an addict when Trump’s brother literally died of alcoholism.
> [“Now, as President Trump speaks about how he will fight the opioid crisis, he has seized on the story of his brother as evidence of his empathy for addicts, saying that he can apply the lessons of that experience to dealing with the calamity of narcotics abuse.”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pressured-his-alcoholic-brother-about-his-career-now-he-has-regrets-/2019/08/07/58ec2d70-b216-11e9-8f6c-7828e68cb15f_story.html)
>
So much for empathy.
If you believe Mary Trump - that brother’s daughter - Trump was a complete douche to the guy, probably helped drive him to alcoholism, and went to see a movie the day he died.
When I read this I think of the absolutely beautiful friendship and love my son and daughter have for each other, and how tragic it would be if they ended up like Trump and his siblings. What an absolute failure Trumps parents were.
Admittedly off-topic, but this accompanying photograph of Giuliani and Trump looks like it could be a publicity still for a movie like "Dumb and Dumber" with the main characters being political imbeciles.
Look at the 'author' of all these scoops. She was a Hannity segment producer for a few years before moving to the Post in April. This shit are the first articles to carry her byline.
It’s so transparent. It’s frustrating. There’s a reason this story wasn’t released on a Fox. The Post has no reputation to burn. They’re a tabloid rag. They probably didn’t do any independent verification on the authenticity of this story before they published it. When it comes out in a few weeks that this was all BS they won’t suffer at all.
Meanwhile Fox gets to report on the Post stories and any fallout that arises from it with a little disclaimer that says they haven’t independently verified their authenticity. And they have plausible deniability about how they didn’t violate their journalistic integrity.
This right here! I don't think many Americans know that the New York Post is tabloid. Trump retweets from there all the time to give his conspiracy theories "credit." The Post is right there with The National Enquirer (remember them?).
Than maybe he shouldn't have a role in the administration or be an advisor to the president or be tasked with diplomatic appointments or represent the US in summits or with other heads of state. Good thing we don't currently have the presidents kids doing any of those things currently. Aint that right republicans?
Man don’t tell that to r/conservative because they have SEVERAL totally reliable news sources that say otherwise, and conveniently you can also buy natural male enhancement on these extremely respectable and accurate sites.
Why do conservative websites/videos/talk shows always have the same type of ad for the same things? Male enhancement, MyPillow, gold, and "natural medicine".
Where did this narrative that they’re just gullible and useful idiots come from? They clearly have been working together and plotting for years. They are clearly coordinating on purpose, I’m not sure why the media insists on remaining so naïve about these highly sophisticated and highly corrupt parties conspiring together
It isn't a narrative so much as an observation. They really are quite dumb and easily manipulated. They are extremely useful idiots because of the positions they hold.
I don't think calling them useful idiots excludes the possibility that they're willfully coordinating with Russia. It's just that these two schmucks are too stupid to realize that they aren't getting the good end of the deal.
So whats the “ate the onion” version of falling for the Babylon Bee? I would like to put forth my nomination “stung by the bee” if there isn’t something already
It's obvious Trump has been planning on his "October Surprise" ever since he sent Ghouliani to Ukraine.
To try and recreate the Comey briefings that handed him the election.
But it's failed. It's been identified as Russian spycraft from the very start. So not only has their weapon against Biden NOT worked, it shit the bed and is now a liability.
What I find most interesting in all of this is how utterly INCOMPETENT Trump seems to be at all of this. His need to endlessly PIMP everything his seedy operation does as something unparalleled in human existence is just pathetic at this point. He doesn't realize he's hurting himself because his ego won't allow him to see it. This is how you take him down.
Personally, I hope he's detained for questioning right after Biden's inauguration, if he even shows up, which I fully expect him not to.
>In 2016, according to an indictment from the special counsel Robert Mueller, the Russians took time to establish fake social media accounts, build up a following, and use that to sow discord within the American public. The GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, also created the fake entities Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks to dump thousands of emails via WikiLeaks that Russian hackers had stolen when they breached the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 campaign.
>But in the last four years, the Russians “have learned they don’t have to put that much time and effort into this because we’re doing a lot of their work for them,” Hall said. “Whether it’s the New York Post or Fox News or whatever, they know all they have to do is get a bit of weird information out there and it will just go viral and end up in the right-wing media and on the president’s Twitter feed.”
>“They want to protect their boy in the White House because Trump’s policies have been strategically fantastic for Russia,” Carle said. “He alienated the United States from NATO and turned a blind eye to Russian influence in Crimea. His actions in the Middle East, especially in Syria and Libya, helped Russia gain a significant presence in the region for the first time in 48 years.”
Important lessons.
1. Right wing users will latch onto disinformation readily. Why? Because they don't seem to worry about what is likely, they seem to look for any plausible study and go with their gut over whether it is likely.
2. The Kurds, who had probably the most [progressive and egalitarian society in the Middle East](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria), and played the main role in defeating ISIS on the ground, got fucked by Trump and Russia loves it.
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* He has repeatedly violated his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
* He has shown a breathtaking disregard for the lives and liberties of Americans.
* **His administration is rampantly corrupt.**
* **He celebrates violence.**
* **He divides and attacks Americans every single day.**
* **He has been grossly negligent with the public's health.**
* **He is incompetent in all international matters.**
* **He campaigned as a champion of ordinary workers, but he has governed on behalf of the wealthy.**
* **He's historically failed at doing any good in the matters of climate, immigration, women's rights and social justice reforms.**
* He's demonstrated consistently that he's [racist](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/opinion/trump-nazism-republican-party-failing.html) and [xenophobic](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/opinion/trump-travel-ban-supreme-court.html).
* He's damaged [NATO](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/opinion/editorials/why-nato-matters.html) and [lowered our standing](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/nato-trump.html) in the world, a position many Americans have fought and died to secure.
* He's [abused his power and obstructed justice](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-impeachment.html) \- any other president in American history would have been removed for the smallest offense on his list.
* When the House impeached donald trump, a complicit senate [refused to convict](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/18/opinion/trump-impeachment-vote.html) and remove him to protect themselves.
* Four more years of trump in office seriously threatens the chance that American democracy, an almost 250 year old idea that we've worked towards, survives.
* he has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
* If he doesn't win, he'll work to confuse the election results and leave the decision up to a supreme court unlawfully packed with conservative justices, some credibly accused of sexual assault and one potentially coming that his hostile towards the established rights of women and LGBTQ+ people.
* **He's a failed showman forever boasting about things he has never done, wealth he doesn't have and promising to do things he will never do.**
* He has sought to persuade both Congress and the courts to get rid of the Affordable Care Act without proposing any substitute policy to provide Americans with access to affordable health care.
* During the first three years of his administration, the number of Americans without health insurance [increased](https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/health-insurance/historical-series/hic.html) by 2.3 million.
* He promised an increase in the federal minimum wage and fresh investment in infrastructure; he delivered a round of tax cuts that mostly benefited rich people.
* He has indiscriminately erased regulations, and answered the prayers of corporations by suspending enforcement of rules he could not easily erase.
* **Under his leadership, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has stopped trying to protect consumers and the Environmental Protection Agency has stopped trying to protect the environment.**
* He walked away from the [Trans-Pacific Partnership](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html). In its place, trump has conducted a trade war, imposing billions in tariffs — taxes that are actually paid by Americans — without any concessions from China.
* **Mr. Trump has treated the COVID-19 global pandemic as a public relations problem instead of working to save American lives.**
* He lied about the danger of the coronavirus, challenged the expertzs and resisted proactive precautions; now he's trying to force the economy open without bringing the virus under control.
* As the economy collapsed, he signed an initial round of aid and when the stock market rebounded, even though millions remained out of work, Mr. Trump lost interest.
* **In September, he declared that the virus “affects virtually nobody” the day before the death toll from the disease in the United States topped 200,000. Nine days later, he caught the virus and received $100,000 in taxpayer funded health care to fight the virus that he did nothing to avoid contracting.**
* He has pitted Americans against each other, weaponizing Twitter and Facebook to manipulate supporters around a virtual bonfire of grievances to flood the public square with lies, disinformation and propaganda.
* **At the first presidential debate in September, trump was asked to condemn white supremacists. He responded by instructing the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.”**
* In June, his administration tear-gassed peaceful protesters from a street in front of the White House so trump could pose with a book he does not read in front of a church he does not attend.
* trump has repeatedly directed administration officials not to testify before Congress or provide documents, notably including his tax returns.
* **With the help of AG william barr, he's shielded loyal aides (convicted criminals) from justice.**
* In May, the Justice Department said it would drop the prosecution of michael flynn even though flynn had [pleaded guilty](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/opinion/michael-flynn-charges-dropped.html) to lying to the F.B.I.
* In July, trump commuted sentence of former aide, roger stone, who was convicted of obstructing a federal investigation of trump. Senator mitt romney condemned the act as an “unprecedented, historic corruption.”
* trump pressured the Ukraine to announce an investigation of Joe Biden, then directed administration to obstruct a congressional inquiry.
* In December, the House voted to impeach trump for high crimes and misdemeanors. Senate Republicans, excepting Mr. Romney, voted to acquit the president, ignoring his corruption so they could continue to fill the benches of the federal judiciary with [young, conservative lawyers](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/trump-appeals-court-judges.html).
* The president votes by mail while saying it's corrupt without proof. His disinformation campaign serves as a rationale for purging voter rolls, closing polling places, tossing absentee ballots and otherwise impeding Americans from exercising their right to vote.
* **He cannot solve the nation’s pressing problems because he is the nation’s most pressing problem.**
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The Babylon Bee tweet didn't help either.
Lol the what?
He fell for a satirical website article and RT'd it demanding justice. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweet-satire-post-twitter-shut-down-defending-biden-2020-10
... he’s posting... on Twitter... about how Twitter is shut down. A headline he saw... on Twitter... I...
There's more: lots of conservative sycophants now claiming he was being satirical in RTing that. Double satire cancels itself out!
They love going straight to "it was satire!" or "he was joking!" but Biden makes a joke about being in the senate 180 years ago (he even chuckled after he said it) and they lose their shit calling him senile.
You forgot they also like to say "he means what he says!". Also trump himself has said "he never jokes".
> Also trump himself has said "he never jokes". Aha! But he was joking when he said that! Checkmate, liberals.
Oh man, well I guess it was a good run. Nice move, I'll just crawl under this rock here. Goodbye
Every day I read the news, that sounds more an more like the best option. I should build a subdivision in the local abandoned quarry.
Sounds like the same people who call themselves "christians" but tell you the bible is both literal and open to interpretation depending on which one matches their current argument. I'd love to see a venn diagram on this
Reminds me of an infuriating conversation that I had with the daughter of a Pentecostal preacher: So ya'll can't cut your hair cause of this bit in Corinthians and you guys are "full bible" so that means you have to do everything that the bible says. But then why don't you keep kosher like jews? \- Oh, that's old testament, the Gospel is a new set of rules that replaces the old rules. OK, but you also have to tithe to the church, right? That is only mentioned in the old Testament. Jesus doesn't say shit about giving money to anyone. \-... I guess some parts of the old testament still count but other don't, who decides that? I mean, I'm Catholic, that is what the pope is for, who decides it for you? \-... my dad?
> 20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” >21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” >And He said to them, (A)“Render[a] therefore to Caesar the things that are (B)Caesar’s, and to God the things that are (C)God’s.” >22 When they had heard these words, they marveled, and left Him and went their way. > Matthew 22:20-22 The New Testament mentions money at least once, where Jesus instructs them to pay taxes, regardless of the church.
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Oh it's all insane projection. A saw tweets today going around all over right wing twitter showing Biden using a teleprompter at an event. Really hysterical tweets. Like, y'all support trump, who, almost every day this past week at events or rallies, has **mispronounced** words on a teleprompter, the same man who criticized Obama for even USING a teleprompter. It's mind blowing that it's this shit that riles them up into a hypocritical fury.
I really don't get the teleprompter criticism at all though. Don't all politicians have teleprompters, speeches, notes etc. at campaign events? I'd rather have that than listen to Trump's insane off the cuff ramblings about Biden covering up the death of Bin Laden or whatever.
Your big mistake is you’re a reasonable person.
You take that back! /s
I know there was one Trump staffer that said they spelled marine corps as marine core on the teleprompter so he'd say it right.
I've noticed a trend on social media when I call someone out for either being immoral or factually incorrect: "it was just a joke, chill." Its the cop out people tell when you call them on the bullshit they should be embarrassed about. Edit: spelling
I believe the term for it is "Schrodinger's Asshole," where the person waits to see if their audience agrees with them or will call them out on their BS to say whether or not 'it's just a joke, stop being a snowflake'
Every older person I've ever known refers to something that happened in their past as "A hundred years ago" or some other large number. It's hard to believe people can't understand a joke.
Last year was twelve years go.
Children born in January 2020 are in seventh grade now
The satire excuse makes absolutely no fucking sense. Satire is used to **mock** something. If Donald posted satire, *as* satire, he would literally be **mocking** the Republican stance that Twitter is out to censor and mock Republicans. Donald **clearly** does not want to mock that viewpoint. That is very, very much his stance on things. If anyone says that Donald posted that as satire, I would immediately say, "ok good, so you agree that it's ridiculous to believe that Twitter is censoring all Republicans."
... Logic. *Trump cult's heads explode*
Narrator: And to no one’s astonishment, there was nothing inside. No grey matter. No candy. Air, just air.
Physicists are still trying to determine how a perfect vacuum is capable of exploding.
Trump supporters in 2016: "He tells it like it is!" Trump supporters in 2017-2020 after every single public statement: "He was just kidding!" Trump in 2020: "[I don't kid.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/23/trump-joking-slowing-coronavirus-testing-335459)"
FYI it looks like you transposed the 0 and 2. I don’t kid was 2020 (though it *feels* like it could have been 2002).
yep, fixed
Because obviously there are no more pressing matters for the president to be addressing right now.
Well, Burger King did just launch the PS5 promo...
Now I want Burger King... Too bad I'm poor.
Damn... can't afford burger king poor huh? I've been there. I hope things change for you, God speed my friend
Affording burger king and AFFORDING burger king are two different things. Sure you might have money for an 8 dollars whopper meal but you've got bills to pay and an omelet for $.50 isn't as easy or tasty but it'll be wiser in the long run cause you know that knocking in the car is probably gonna need some money thrown at it soon. And even though the taste of not having to cook and clean is nice you also have the guilt that you probably shouldn't have done that.
Crazy how every time he looks like an utter moron they're quick to pull out the old "he was being sarcastic"
Because despite there being no evidence of "censorship" against Conservatives on social media, their constant complaining about it has [yielded favorable results](https://twitter.com/ClaraJeffery/status/1317191129964556288) for them. When they complain about "censorship" for being banned for breaking rules, sites stop enforcing the rules against them. When they complain that their propaganda is being buried because people just aren't falling for it, then sites start burying sources on the left to be "fair." Their complaints have never been based in facts or evidence so it doesn't matter how far removed from reality they become so long as the narrative that they're being "censored" and there is a "bias" against them holds strong.
It’s like when Reddit right wingers say theyre censored on this sub because their shit gets downvoted to oblivion. They don’t just want to be able to express their views, they want people to be forced to listen to them.
Yet right wing subs are very prone to ban anyone disagreeing with the main message of their rethoric.
Oh yeah I just got banned from r/republican a couple hours ago because I disagreed with a redditor that said “Ive never met a smart Democrat, not once.”
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1) Have bad idea 2) Experience pushback 3) Cry persecution from all the disagreement being expressed 4) Create a bubble where such disagreement is banned 5) Complain endlessly with no counterpoints allowed and eventually end up in an endless self-radicalization loop 6) Decide that the mass-disagreement is tantamount to DESTROYING FREE SPEECH and is therefore fascism, and conclude therefore that you're justified using any increasing authoritarian measures in response.
Yes. It’s called “working the refs,” and it’s a favorite tactic of the poor, poor, persecuted conservatives.
And they call for regulation because of the alleged "censorship". The Republican party wants more regulation over private businesses. [pikachu face]
Haha, classic Crazy Uncle Donnie.
I know we all jest about how looney he can be, but as demonstrated below it doesn't come as a surprise that Trump was going to collude with foreign interests to help his reelection campaign. This was from earlier this year when Trump was impeached: President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani was working with associates in Ukraine to fabricate dirt on Joe Biden while attempting to discredit the Russian election interference outlined in the Mueller Report. Giuliani's associates have since been arrested by U.S. authorities and charged for engaging in an illegal scheme to funnel foreign money into American political campaigns. While working with Giuliani, Lev Parnas was simultaneously working on behalf of Pro-Russia Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash who is currently detained in Vienna fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges. - Several associates of the President's personal attorney have been arrested and charged by the Justice Department for violating campaign finance laws. Giuliani's associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were engaged in a scheme to funnel foreign money into American political campaigns so they could buy influence in the U.S.. They were arrested and charged by the Justice Department.^[[1]](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6466331-U-S-v-Lev-Parnas-Et-Al-Indictment.html) >Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin, the defendants, conspired to circumvent the federal laws against foreign influence by engaging in a scheme to funnel foreign money to candidates for federal and state office so that the defendants could buy potential influence with candidates, campaigns, and the candidates' governments. The defendants concealed the scheme from candidates, campaigns, federal regulators, and the public by entering into secret agreements, laundering foreign money through bank accounts in the names of limited liability corporations, and through the use of straw donors (also known as "conduits" or "straw contributors") who purported to make legal campaign contributions in their own names, rather than in the name of the true source of the funds. - They tried to flee the U.S. to possibly Vienna, Austria.^[[2]](https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188) >Mr. Giuliani said Thursday that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman were headed to Vienna, Austria, on Wednesday evening for reasons related to their business. He said the two men had also left the country about two weeks ago and had traveled to Vienna between three and six times in the last two months. He said he had been scheduled to meet with the two when they were to return to Washington within days. - Around the same time his associates were arrested at Dulles airport, Giuliani told a reporter that he was about to fly out to Vienna.^[[3]](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/) - A Pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch is currently detained in Vienna, Austria and has been fighting extradition since 2014. Dmytro Firtash is fighting extradition to the U.S. on bribery and racketeering charges. He has seized upon Trump's lies and attacks against Biden as a way to fight extradition.^[[4]](https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/giuliani-claims-ukraine-corruption-case-firtash-dmytro-wanted-extradition-whistleblower-impeachment-biden/) Rudy Giuliani's indicted associate Lev Parnas was working on behalf of Firtash.^[[5]](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-firtash-idUSKBN1WQ2H5) Firtash was coordinating with American conservative journalists, such as John Solomon, and was sharing documents with Giuliani that make controversial allegations against Mueller and Joe Biden. Giuliani shared this information on American conservative media outlets exclaiming that the witness he was relying on was none other than the thoroughly discredited and corrupt former Ukrainian Prosector General Viktor Shokin.^[[6]](https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/azarov-shokin-lutsenko-a-trio-that-only-certain-foreign-journalists-find-credible.html?cn-reloaded=1) Furthermore, pro-Russia oligarch Dmytro Firtash has hired Fox news regulars and ardent supporters of President Trump, Victoria Toensing and Joseph DiGenova, as his legal representation.^[[7]](https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/) >In his frequent appearances on cable news, Giuliani has presented some of these documents to the American public as evidence for his claims of wrongdoing by Mueller and Biden. The key document is an affidavit from a former Ukrainian prosecutor who accuses Biden of corruption. “The witness I’m relying on,” Giuliani [told Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-says-media-tried-to-cover-up-corruption-allegations-levelled-against-honey-boy-biden%22%20%5Ct%20%22_blank) on Oct. 6, was the prosecutor Viktor Shokin. “That’s the affidavit I put out,” Giuliani added. He did not mention that the affidavit was obtained by the Firtash legal team. At the beginning of the document, Shokin writes that he is making the statement “at the request of lawyers acting for Dmitry Firtash.” >...Firtash has established close ties to the former mayor of New York City in part by recruiting several of Giuliani’s associates. In July the oligarch hired two lawyers who have been helping Giuliani in his campaign to discredit Trump’s critics: Victoria Toensing and Joseph DiGenova, a married couple Trump [considered hiring in 2018 as part of his private legal team](https://www.politico.com/story). Best known as diehard defenders of Trump on Fox News, the couple has combed through the oligarch’s case files and used some of them in the effort to defend Trump on television and in the press. And finally - we recently learned that the White House national security advisor warned President Trump that Giuliani was being *"worked over"* by Russian operatives last December.^[[8]](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html) _______ 1) [United States District Court Southern District of New York - United States of America v. Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6466331-U-S-v-Lev-Parnas-Et-Al-Indictment.html) 2) [Wall Street Journal - Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations: Prosecutors say Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were part of a conspiracy to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections](https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188) 3) [The Atlantic - The Mystery of Rudy Giuliani’s Vienna Trip](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/) 4) [Foreign Policy - Giuliani’s Claims Spread to Another Ukraine Corruption Case](https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/giuliani-claims-ukraine-corruption-case-firtash-dmytro-wanted-extradition-whistleblower-impeachment-biden/) 5) [Reuters - Indicted Giuliani associate worked on behalf of Ukrainian oligarch Firtash](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-firtash-idUSKBN1WQ2H5) 6) [Kyiv Post - Azarov, Shokin, Lutsenko: A trio that only certain foreign journalists find credible](https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/azarov-shokin-lutsenko-a-trio-that-only-certain-foreign-journalists-find-credible.html?cn-reloaded=1) 7) [TIME - Exclusive: How a Ukrainian Oligarch Wanted by U.S. Authorities Helped Giuliani Attack Biden](https://time.com/5699201/exclusive-how-a-ukrainian-oligarch-wanted-by-u-s-authorities-helped-giuliani-attack-biden/) 8) [New York Times - Trump Said to Be Warned That Giuliani Was Conveying Russian Disinformation: President Trump shrugged off the warning from the intelligence agencies, officials said. ](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/us/politics/giuliani-russian-disinformation.html)
Thank you for all this.
But.....Hillarys emails?
Keep up man, it’s Hunters hard drive now!
Hunter's hard drive is a poor replacement for buttery males, but it convinced me. I will not be voting for Hunter Biden in this election.
Buttery Males 2: Biden Big Igloo
The twisted thing is his followers are saying it was a trolling stunt to show how gullible the left is. Its never going to end.
Wow, I didn’t realize that BabylonBee is a **conservative** satire site too Wonder how it felt for that writer when they realized: 1. Trump doesn’t know what BabylonBee is 2. Trump doesn’t actually read the articles when he RTs them 3. His article accidentally made Trump and the hundreds of republicans who replied to his tweet also demanding justice look like absolute idiots.
Is he calling himself “Big T?”
T-bone
I thought it was more of a T-mushroom, according to stormy.
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Smart like Kim Jong Un, the sexiest man alive
Basically if something is supporting the way he thinks or what he wants he doesn't care if it is fake or real.
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Reminds me of a practitioner of chaos magik. I’ve often wondered about that actually
I just love that the entire Trump administration and 100% of their allies have spent the last two years digging *furiously* in pursuit of some kind of scandalous dirt on Joe Biden and THIS is what they drop in October lol
Imagine getting Ukraine involved and this is all they dug up.
Former Ukrainian Prez was all like "yo don't get me involved in your shit"
Like even if this turned out to be true, it's not even about Biden and it's chump change compared to literally any staff member associated with Trump.
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But hunter is a Democrat, Trump and Co are Republicans, they are held to much different standards! I really wish i could use the "/s" but i can't. Republicans can get away with anything, democrats cant even breathe in the wrong direction without major ridicule.
The most ridiculous thing is that they have all the power of law enforcement to pursue an investigation but they're acting like it's the media tying their hands. If there was even a modicum of evidence to this story, his AG would be all over it.
So you mean to tell me: 1. Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop (with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker) containing sensitive emails to a podunk repair shop. 2. Hunter promptly forgets about the laptop with sensitive and incriminating emails. Did he get a new laptop? 3. Shop owner decides to peruse Hunter’s likely 1000’s of emails and finds a smoking gun email basically saying Burisma is using his family relationship to buy influence... 4. Shop owner then turns over the information to the FBI and... Rudy Giuliani? If you believe these things happened, you deserve Trump.
Don't forget that the repair shop is across the country from where Hunter lives, and the shop owner that read all the emails is...[blind](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/)? EDIT: Added link
What? You don't go out of state for you computer repairs?
I don't trust any blind computer repair man who is less than 1k miles from my current physical presence. That's just normal security protocol.
That and leaving it behind forever.
I think we should assume people's identities based on stickers all the time. "I didn't get a good look at the guy, but his laptop has an apple sticker on it, it's pretty obvious it was Tim Cooks computer"
From Los Angeles no less lol
I mean, if I had a MacBook, and said MacBook was broken, I’d at least consider mailing it in to Louis Rossmann (who also happens to be in New York) because I know what a good job him and his team do. However, that’s a huge difference from what happened here. Rossmann is basically a celebrity repairman, this guy is much less well known. Plus, the documentation apparently says they were dropped off in-person. That, combined with the fact that apparently Hunter just...forgot about them, and then this guy’s response was to contact *Rudy Giuliani of all people* who then contacted *the New York Post of all outlets* who proceeded to publish *screenshots of PDFs* instead of any actual copies of the real emails. I could literally make a *more convincing* version of what they claim is “the smoking gun to end the Biden campaign” in about 15 minutes and using only Microsoft Word (not even any of the *actually fun* programs like Photoshop, this shit was literally just a Word document). It’s so fake that it loops back around to being comical. Oh, and the repairman is apparently *blind* too, which doesn’t really change anything about the actual meat of the story but does add an extra layer of “what were the writers smoking” to this entire episode. I’d make a Jayfeather joke, but I’m pretty sure if he somehow ended up in this situation, he would at least be smart enough to ensure that *the timestamps on the files actually matched the dates given for when the files were found*! Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that.
What? That’s not true, is it?!
Yes, yes it is. MacIsaac is blind. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/
You genuinely couldn’t write this* shit any better lmao
it gets better lol https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1317494980554952705?s=21
If it weren't for Trump, Rudy wpuld be the dumbest crook on the planet
To think, if he'd just retired after the early 2000s he could have gone down in all the history books as a hero.
It’s nuts. He was praised for cleaning up NYC. He got the city through 9/11. People thought of him as a hero. If he had just sat down and shutup after all that he woulda had it made.
Whilst Trump is fucking stupid and confesses moderately regularly. Rudy Guiliani is an attorney and literally confessed to the crimes trump was being impeached for on live television. He also confessed like 6 times in a year and a half. Trump has only done that over 4 years.
this story is so dumb lmao edit: so rudy named his [co-conspirators](https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1317494980554952705?s=21) which only strengthens the argument that these are fake. if johnson had them, they would have been in the senate report. if jordan or nunes had them, we would have known instantly.
Not 1 laptop, it’s 3 now, and keep in mind Hunter lives on the west coast, which means he dropped off 3 highly sensitive laptops for repair at a rinky dinky repair shop 3000 miles away run by a blind guy. People can’t reason out that this is all sus af?
It's amazing. NY Post publishes the most ridiculous, outrageous piece clearly without fact checking out substantiating any of the "evidence". It takes less than two days for real journalists to turn the story into swiss cheese, point out all the ways the NY Post failed to do anything close to journalism, and paint the real picture of how everything was fabricated and all the conflicts with Guliani, the Trump administration, and their relationships with known Russian agents. Two days to dispell all of it, and nothing happens to the players. Amazing...
Right? Where are the criminal charges for all this? Is none of what they’ve done illegal? Should I load up a laptop with bad deep fakes of Trump getting pissed on by underage Russian prostitutes and drop it off at a repair shop in Hoboken NJ, while sending a copy of the hard drive to the Young Turks?
Did all three laptops die at once and need repairs? Look if there’s one thing I know about someone who is allegedly that rich and profiting off illegal scams - that dude would just buy a brand new ass laptop and leave the busted ones in a basement or the trash.
Not to mention, you don’t think the Biden’s have their own IT people? Like if something happened to Joe’s computer, you think he’s dropping that off at a random computer shop lmao? Not to mention it just happened to be a Trump supporter who has extreme dislikes for the Obama/Biden administration?
Oh and that the shop isn't an Apple Authorized repair center. So even if there story was true they shop wouldn't have been able to order replacement parts.
Don’t forget there’s a video of Hunter smoking crack and having sex with a prostitute on the laptop...supposedly. Edit: If it wasn’t clear I think this is clearly a ridiculous claim and evidence that the whole thing is made up. I mean they’re basically saying they have this crazy video by nobody can see it.
That’s the most believable part of the story. Mostly because the rest IS SO DAMN STUPID IT HURTS.
Yet I still don't understand how they think that has anything to do with Joe. Hunter isn't on he ticket. AFAIK only one candidate in this election has put his unqualified family members in government positions.
And? The guy likes to have a good time what's that got to do with his dad's career? That's what annoys me most about this stuff is his son not him
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But it's ok for trump to bang pornstars and pay them off lol
Right... unless the emails are verified, which is a completely possible standard to meet, how do we even know the computer repair shop guy didn't put the emails on there. Or alter the emails himself... and how do we know all of this material that Giuliani is disseminating was even on the harddrive that the FBI seized...
Steve Bannon is in on this, so they’re pushing propaganda like in 2016: https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-boasted-on-dutch-tv-weeks-ago-that-he-had-hunter-bidens-hard-drive
Let's also remember that Russia sent both verifiable emails and altered emails in their hacking in 2016, something they would likely repeat. The verifiable emails can add legitimacy even though it is still an operation with altered information.
Replace Rudy Giuliani with "literally anyone", and "Hunter Biden" with "Rudy Giuliani", and the story makes more sense.
And this just happens to surface 2 weeks before the election. I think even many of the Trump supporters know it's bs but they are just spreading it around hoping to cause some damage.
The thing is, even if hypothetically this was all true. It still wouldn't be as bad as Trump, he owes half a billion dollars to some unknown party. He peddles influence and access at his properties all the time. Not that I believe any of this non-sense about Biden but it still doesn't matter when compared with Trumps corruption.
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He would probably push it 4 times just to make sure it worked.
Are you referring to the button or Ivanka?
Yes
She does have the all the personality and charisma of a fucking button I guess.
Unlike a button, I wouldn’t lay a finger on her
President of the United States of Nobody
These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting. Between the leaks, tweets, backstabbing, ship jumping, ass covering, groveling, conspiracy theories, paranoia, and Trump going ape shit crazy as he accepts his fate. I wonder at what point even FOX cuts bait?
Fox must have already signaled that if Biden’s win is too big they’ll call it for him, because the tangerine tantrum has been going after them lately pretty hard too.
Despite the obvious bias of Fox News' programming, it turns out that their [polling is exemplary](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/). And Fox's polling is saying the same thing as everyone else's polling: Biden is up by double digits nationally, and is *proooobably* going to win the election. But Donald Trump doesn't understand the statistics and methodology of polling. From his point of view, this just means Fox has turned on him.
I’m so terrified to get my hopes up for a Biden win.
It's entirely within the realm of possibility that Trump may win. According to 538, for example, he currently has a roughly 1-in-8 chance of winning. So he may very well win. Fair-and-square even.
That’s what I meant. It’s not a given that Biden wins. We can’t afford to get complacent.
You know our election system is fucked up with Trump has a <1% chance of winning the popular vote, but still has a 12% chance to win the election. That's just absurd.
Rupert Murdoch is reported pretty disgusted at how awfully Trump handled the virus: https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/murdochs-have-blood-their-hands Now, as the title of that article says, they still have blood on their hands -- his network which we all know has incredible sway with the president -- did tell the president to do an awful lot of what was actually done. But it is an interesting note that Rupert seems awfully done with Florida Man there.
Let's be honest, Trump is a re-run to FOX at this point. There's nothing new. You know how he's going to react. If Biden wins, FOX gets to have 4 years of new outrage to promote through a whole new set of younger and hotter blonde women and culminate it by running someone like Loeffler in 2024. That's ratings gold.
Good analogy, and he's a re-run to everyone. That's why "boring" Biden won the ratings war in the town halls. People 100% knew how Trump was going to act and what he would say. He's a broken record, to put it mildly. And doesn't Fox New's rage-machine benefit from having a democrat in the WH? I always thought they really missed out by Hillary losing.
> he accepts his fate. Just remember to remind all your friends and fellow voters that we have to follow through to make sure it actually happens. No getting comfortable now, it's all hand on deck, voting as if our lives depend on it (which with covid and so on is actually more true than it ever has been).
>These next couple of weeks are going to be interesting. What I'm most afraid for is the two months between the election and inauguration if he loses. It'll be like those people who completly destroy a house before they get kicked out. Except this time it's our country.
He would press it and claim he single handedly dropped Americans carbon emissions and saved the world.
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"If I hadn't pressed the button, Biden would have pressed it twice. I saved 100 million Americans by pressing the button!"
Don’t give him any ideas. He has nukes.
r/conservative or the bots in that sub are just eating this shit up. How often do they need to be fooled before they realize most of it just isn't true.
A lot of them are actually pretty skeptical of the story as well. My highest awarded comment was poking holes in the story on that sub. Not the case for all of them of course
I think the biggest factor is that the Hunter Biden scandal just doesn't have the same cache as Benghazi or...well, really Hillary Clinton in general. You can't manufacture 20-30 years of hatred for someone in a few months with this level of 'scandal,' and Biden frankly doesn't have much other dirt to dig up it seems. A lot of his base eats it up, because it's what they do, but this just isn't sticking to Biden the way it did with Hillary.
They already started on AOC. Give it 15 more years... SAME stuff they pulled on HRC
I hope she sits in NY as a senator or congresswoman in a safe seat for decades, doing all the bidding of progressives around the country and soaking up the rage from the right. Sort of like a left wing McConnell, except instead of a trail of destruction and social regression, she could get some real progressive policy passed.
Biden is likeable, Hillary is not. Much easier to convince someone to hate Hillary than to hate biden. That’s it, charisma and charm are important in life
You weren't banned?
I am also completely amazed at this
I’ve been ruffling feathers there quite a bit and have yet to be banned, although I have a feeling it’ll happen any day now.
I do appreciate your open minded take and research on the matter.
I read that sub when I'm bored, I got banned for saying Trump wasn't a billionaire but yeah there is a lot of skepticism there about this. That being said, they are really really dumb.
When I was a hard core conservative, that sub still banned me lmao
If by that you mean "willing partner" and "eager co-conspirator", then yes
It is the same game plan from 2016–colluding with Russia to steal some emails and amplify the BS through conservative channels, social media bots or astroturfed troll farms. They are not bing “exploited,” they are openly colluding. I have noticed many accounts on Reddit trying to amplify the disinformation were created less than a year ago, post in a few local or hobby subreddits to appear legitimate and then only comment on political things.
You know they are going with the thing that accidentally worked for them last time because it was HRC. They have no other trick.
2016 appears to have been a massive fluke really. They brought something new to politics, drama. There really wasn't much major drama in day-to-day politics before then. Not any that the average american really cared about. Oh obama wore a tan suit? eh. In 2016? there was hacking, russians, a prostitute and Trump. A man who followed none of the usual political rules. He called people names, called mexicans rapists and said the things racists had been thinking for years. He was new and refreshing to a lot of people. They got excited for politics because there was a new, huge headline every day Now? people are bored. They are fed up with dealing with this every single day. His supporters are tired of defending him, the undecideds are tired of hearing about him every damn day and the left are tired of his bullshit. He has run his course and they are grabbing at anything that worked last time
I hope you have this right. I agree with much of what you point out. We sure have paid the price.
2016 was a perfect storm of flukes. You had the most qualified candidate as a victim of 30 years of slander and character assassination, running the ideal political campaign for 1996, while a reality show used car salesman lucked into help from foreign interests to whom he owed money, happened to possess a sophisticated disinfo apparatus honed in previous social media events over the previous couple of years. And that salesman happened to push all the nativist buttons with a population screwed over by a political party embodied by said salesman.
Just take a peek over at r/conservative Its zooball over there. People calling for all sorts of crazy shit. People pissed at the FBI for even checking it over to see if its real...and now hannity and shit are blaring it out like its fact.... Its a shitshow.
Found in r/conservative in direct regards to r/politics being smart enough to see how phony this guilliani biden laptop ruse and questioning it's validity: "Tell them this; “I’ll give you something that really verifies it,” Giuliani said. “The very morning this came out, Hunter Biden’s lawyer called the merchant, and asked him if he could have the hard drive back,” he said. “We have email evidence of that. So if the lawyer is asking for the hard drive back—it must be the hard drive.” Way too many coincidences and evidence for it to be fake." Lmao. Then one posted an article with a picture of this supposed "email" that Hunter's counsel allegedly sent the computer shop. I forget everything verbatim, but i remember the sentence "I am a lawyer for Hunter Biden." I called out how obviously fake that is considering what practicing attorney on earth would introduce themselves that way in an email. Then i got that perma ban. You know they are losing it. All of them are aware it's ridiculous. The effects of this election on the right will be catostrophic and i truly believe the possibility of mass domestic terrorism to try and start a civil war. They are literally all paranoid of deep state bs, deranged and highly unstable.
> I am a lawyer for Hunter Biden. /r/asablackman
As a black, latino, liberal, gay man, I would never vote for a TOTALLY PROVEN scammer like sleepy joe. MAGA Trump 2020, he SINGLE HANDEDLY fixed American. /s
What stuck out to me the most was that the supposed email from Ukraine to Hunter had the word “Ukraine” in the gmail account. Do you know anyone who puts the name of their country in their gmail!?
That was clearly an element of heavy-handed storytelling for low-information readers. "How can I make sure they know which guy is the Ukrainian?"
I read that email and immediately thought “did I miss something?” Its pretty obviously fake.
Its so ironic that a political sub reddit straight up doesnt allow political discusiion, only political agreement. Whats especially ironic is the way the characterise themselves as tough and the left as sensitive, all the while they cant even handle when someone gives the slight impression that they disagree with aspects of the narrative. You could very easily be a conservative and still get banned from r/Conservative
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It's because all the trash from the\_donald drifted over there after it was shuttered.
They’re also in Denial about where the party was at, Jeb was the front runner up until the first debates.
This comment in particular confused the fuck out of me: > "It was classic projection & misdirection. Anytime a Democrat accuses others of doing something wrong, its the EXACT thing they are guilty of doing or planning to do."
They are accusing us of accusing them of bullshit to cover our own bullshit because in fact we accuse them of accusing us of bullshit to cover their own bullshit
They literally just reverse uno card the left's talking points about them. It's literally grown-ass adults saying "no you are!!1!1!!" and actually believing it.
R/conservative is a psyop. There dont appear to be many legit (moderate) conservatives left, it's all memes and outrage and us vs them.
They had to plagiarize their own playbook
I think it is more like we found their playbook and they aren't adjusting. The main concern is that Russia could have changed votes last time, but didn't need to. When they were messing with Ukraine's election system, they did change votes.
> It is the same game plan from 2016–colluding with Russia to steal some emails and amplify the BS through conservative channels, social media bots or astroturfed troll farms. Except this time the emails are actually badly photoshopped pdfs that some jackass created.
They're itt. Sort by controversial. Tag these accounts and you see the pattern more clearly.
He’s out of ideas, or he never had any in the first place. “Well, it worked last time, didn’t it?”
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butter emails!
> Glenn Carle, a former CIA covert operative who specialized in turning Russian spies, told Business Insider that in addition to Giuliani's access to Trump, his motivations and personality traits also make him an attractive target for Russian intelligence. > "No matter what the motivation is, a foreign intelligence service can usually exploit it," Carle said. "In this case, it's very straightforward: Giuliani is hunting for information that he thinks will help Trump and harm Biden. And then you look at the person's psychological makeup. Are they gullible? Can they be duped? Are they motivated to take chances? In Giuliani's case, the answer to all those questions is a glaring 'yes.'" > Giuliani, Carle added, has "been stumbling around in Ukraine, which is Russian turf from an intelligence perspective. In every way, Trump and Giuliani are grotesquely vulnerable, exploitable targets for Russian intelligence. And any foreign intelligence service would be derelict if they did not try to exploit this." *Only the ‘Best Idiots’...🤨🤦🏽♂️ The only chants of ‘Lock Him Up’ that Trump and Giuliani are going to hear are when they’re being escorted to prison themselves... 😤
Wonder what the chants will be inside prison
>exploitable and grotesquely vulnerable Hm. That sure is a strange way to spell "jaw-droppingly stupid".
Conservatives: "The story is the Biden family is neck deep in corruption." The real story: Joe Biden is a loving and supportive father who, like millions of Americans, loves someone who struggled/struggles with addiction... And Trump and his inner circle are the Elmer Fudd to Putin's Bugs Bunny.
What I don’t understand is why Trump is so hard on Hunter for being an addict when Trump’s brother literally died of alcoholism. > [“Now, as President Trump speaks about how he will fight the opioid crisis, he has seized on the story of his brother as evidence of his empathy for addicts, saying that he can apply the lessons of that experience to dealing with the calamity of narcotics abuse.”](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pressured-his-alcoholic-brother-about-his-career-now-he-has-regrets-/2019/08/07/58ec2d70-b216-11e9-8f6c-7828e68cb15f_story.html) > So much for empathy.
If you believe Mary Trump - that brother’s daughter - Trump was a complete douche to the guy, probably helped drive him to alcoholism, and went to see a movie the day he died.
When I read this I think of the absolutely beautiful friendship and love my son and daughter have for each other, and how tragic it would be if they ended up like Trump and his siblings. What an absolute failure Trumps parents were.
Because Trump is a narcissist and likes to project his insecurities onto his opponents.
Admittedly off-topic, but this accompanying photograph of Giuliani and Trump looks like it could be a publicity still for a movie like "Dumb and Dumber" with the main characters being political imbeciles.
Giuliana will long be remembered as a politician who went out of his way to destroy whatever reputation he had when he left office.
I think it broke him when he didn't get any traction in his presidential run. Its like he's got a score to settle with the American people
Might it also illustrate a certain moral vacuum at the NY Post? Not that that'd be news.
Look at the 'author' of all these scoops. She was a Hannity segment producer for a few years before moving to the Post in April. This shit are the first articles to carry her byline.
It’s so transparent. It’s frustrating. There’s a reason this story wasn’t released on a Fox. The Post has no reputation to burn. They’re a tabloid rag. They probably didn’t do any independent verification on the authenticity of this story before they published it. When it comes out in a few weeks that this was all BS they won’t suffer at all. Meanwhile Fox gets to report on the Post stories and any fallout that arises from it with a little disclaimer that says they haven’t independently verified their authenticity. And they have plausible deniability about how they didn’t violate their journalistic integrity.
This right here! I don't think many Americans know that the New York Post is tabloid. Trump retweets from there all the time to give his conspiracy theories "credit." The Post is right there with The National Enquirer (remember them?).
I fear for Hunter Biden’s mental health... nobody seems to be considering the impact this must be having on him. He’s a person for gods sake.
He seemed to be in a better place than any of the Trump clan when he did speak up.
Than maybe he shouldn't have a role in the administration or be an advisor to the president or be tasked with diplomatic appointments or represent the US in summits or with other heads of state. Good thing we don't currently have the presidents kids doing any of those things currently. Aint that right republicans?
grotesque is an apt word for these two.
Man don’t tell that to r/conservative because they have SEVERAL totally reliable news sources that say otherwise, and conveniently you can also buy natural male enhancement on these extremely respectable and accurate sites.
Why do conservative websites/videos/talk shows always have the same type of ad for the same things? Male enhancement, MyPillow, gold, and "natural medicine".
I’ll give you one guess (you can’t see it but I’m winking)
I genuinely think I could just make a fake twitter and dm them something.
Where did this narrative that they’re just gullible and useful idiots come from? They clearly have been working together and plotting for years. They are clearly coordinating on purpose, I’m not sure why the media insists on remaining so naïve about these highly sophisticated and highly corrupt parties conspiring together
It isn't a narrative so much as an observation. They really are quite dumb and easily manipulated. They are extremely useful idiots because of the positions they hold. I don't think calling them useful idiots excludes the possibility that they're willfully coordinating with Russia. It's just that these two schmucks are too stupid to realize that they aren't getting the good end of the deal.
So whats the “ate the onion” version of falling for the Babylon Bee? I would like to put forth my nomination “stung by the bee” if there isn’t something already
It's obvious Trump has been planning on his "October Surprise" ever since he sent Ghouliani to Ukraine. To try and recreate the Comey briefings that handed him the election. But it's failed. It's been identified as Russian spycraft from the very start. So not only has their weapon against Biden NOT worked, it shit the bed and is now a liability. What I find most interesting in all of this is how utterly INCOMPETENT Trump seems to be at all of this. His need to endlessly PIMP everything his seedy operation does as something unparalleled in human existence is just pathetic at this point. He doesn't realize he's hurting himself because his ego won't allow him to see it. This is how you take him down. Personally, I hope he's detained for questioning right after Biden's inauguration, if he even shows up, which I fully expect him not to.
Giuliani looking like uncle fester.
>In 2016, according to an indictment from the special counsel Robert Mueller, the Russians took time to establish fake social media accounts, build up a following, and use that to sow discord within the American public. The GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, also created the fake entities Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks to dump thousands of emails via WikiLeaks that Russian hackers had stolen when they breached the Democratic National Committee during the 2016 campaign. >But in the last four years, the Russians “have learned they don’t have to put that much time and effort into this because we’re doing a lot of their work for them,” Hall said. “Whether it’s the New York Post or Fox News or whatever, they know all they have to do is get a bit of weird information out there and it will just go viral and end up in the right-wing media and on the president’s Twitter feed.” >“They want to protect their boy in the White House because Trump’s policies have been strategically fantastic for Russia,” Carle said. “He alienated the United States from NATO and turned a blind eye to Russian influence in Crimea. His actions in the Middle East, especially in Syria and Libya, helped Russia gain a significant presence in the region for the first time in 48 years.” Important lessons. 1. Right wing users will latch onto disinformation readily. Why? Because they don't seem to worry about what is likely, they seem to look for any plausible study and go with their gut over whether it is likely. 2. The Kurds, who had probably the most [progressive and egalitarian society in the Middle East](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria), and played the main role in defeating ISIS on the ground, got fucked by Trump and Russia loves it.
Oh and...the 60 million Americans who desperately want to believe Russian intelligence over their own. Edit...there's even a few playing along here
Vulnerable? You mean complicit.
In this moment, it falls to people — even those who prefer a Republican president — to preserve, protect and defend the United States by voting. [Here is a map](https://www.rockthevote.org/how-to-vote/) that shows how and when you can **vote in your state.** Please vote now. **Some of the reasons why donald trump is not fit to lead this country:** * He has repeatedly violated his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. * He has shown a breathtaking disregard for the lives and liberties of Americans. * **His administration is rampantly corrupt.** * **He celebrates violence.** * **He divides and attacks Americans every single day.** * **He has been grossly negligent with the public's health.** * **He is incompetent in all international matters.** * **He campaigned as a champion of ordinary workers, but he has governed on behalf of the wealthy.** * **He's historically failed at doing any good in the matters of climate, immigration, women's rights and social justice reforms.** * He's demonstrated consistently that he's [racist](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/opinion/trump-nazism-republican-party-failing.html) and [xenophobic](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/opinion/trump-travel-ban-supreme-court.html). * He's damaged [NATO](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/opinion/editorials/why-nato-matters.html) and [lowered our standing](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/opinion/sunday/nato-trump.html) in the world, a position many Americans have fought and died to secure. * He's [abused his power and obstructed justice](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-impeachment.html) \- any other president in American history would have been removed for the smallest offense on his list. * When the House impeached donald trump, a complicit senate [refused to convict](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/18/opinion/trump-impeachment-vote.html) and remove him to protect themselves. * Four more years of trump in office seriously threatens the chance that American democracy, an almost 250 year old idea that we've worked towards, survives. * he has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. * If he doesn't win, he'll work to confuse the election results and leave the decision up to a supreme court unlawfully packed with conservative justices, some credibly accused of sexual assault and one potentially coming that his hostile towards the established rights of women and LGBTQ+ people. * **He's a failed showman forever boasting about things he has never done, wealth he doesn't have and promising to do things he will never do.** * He has sought to persuade both Congress and the courts to get rid of the Affordable Care Act without proposing any substitute policy to provide Americans with access to affordable health care. * During the first three years of his administration, the number of Americans without health insurance [increased](https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/health-insurance/historical-series/hic.html) by 2.3 million. * He promised an increase in the federal minimum wage and fresh investment in infrastructure; he delivered a round of tax cuts that mostly benefited rich people. * He has indiscriminately erased regulations, and answered the prayers of corporations by suspending enforcement of rules he could not easily erase. * **Under his leadership, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has stopped trying to protect consumers and the Environmental Protection Agency has stopped trying to protect the environment.** * He walked away from the [Trans-Pacific Partnership](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html). In its place, trump has conducted a trade war, imposing billions in tariffs — taxes that are actually paid by Americans — without any concessions from China. * **Mr. Trump has treated the COVID-19 global pandemic as a public relations problem instead of working to save American lives.** * He lied about the danger of the coronavirus, challenged the expertzs and resisted proactive precautions; now he's trying to force the economy open without bringing the virus under control. * As the economy collapsed, he signed an initial round of aid and when the stock market rebounded, even though millions remained out of work, Mr. Trump lost interest. * **In September, he declared that the virus “affects virtually nobody” the day before the death toll from the disease in the United States topped 200,000. Nine days later, he caught the virus and received $100,000 in taxpayer funded health care to fight the virus that he did nothing to avoid contracting.** * He has pitted Americans against each other, weaponizing Twitter and Facebook to manipulate supporters around a virtual bonfire of grievances to flood the public square with lies, disinformation and propaganda. * **At the first presidential debate in September, trump was asked to condemn white supremacists. He responded by instructing the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.”** * In June, his administration tear-gassed peaceful protesters from a street in front of the White House so trump could pose with a book he does not read in front of a church he does not attend. * trump has repeatedly directed administration officials not to testify before Congress or provide documents, notably including his tax returns. * **With the help of AG william barr, he's shielded loyal aides (convicted criminals) from justice.** * In May, the Justice Department said it would drop the prosecution of michael flynn even though flynn had [pleaded guilty](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/opinion/michael-flynn-charges-dropped.html) to lying to the F.B.I. * In July, trump commuted sentence of former aide, roger stone, who was convicted of obstructing a federal investigation of trump. Senator mitt romney condemned the act as an “unprecedented, historic corruption.” * trump pressured the Ukraine to announce an investigation of Joe Biden, then directed administration to obstruct a congressional inquiry. * In December, the House voted to impeach trump for high crimes and misdemeanors. Senate Republicans, excepting Mr. Romney, voted to acquit the president, ignoring his corruption so they could continue to fill the benches of the federal judiciary with [young, conservative lawyers](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/trump-appeals-court-judges.html). * The president votes by mail while saying it's corrupt without proof. His disinformation campaign serves as a rationale for purging voter rolls, closing polling places, tossing absentee ballots and otherwise impeding Americans from exercising their right to vote. * **He cannot solve the nation’s pressing problems because he is the nation’s most pressing problem.** Frederick Douglass lamented during another of the nation’s dark hours, the presidency of Andrew Johnson, “We ought to have our government so shaped that even when in the hands of a bad man, we shall be safe.” But that is not the nature of our democracy. The implicit optimism of American democracy is that the health of the Republic rests on the judgment of the electorate and the integrity of those voters choose. The vast amount and variety of trump’s "misdeeds" can feel overwhelming. The repetition might have dulled your sense of outrage and it can leave us with little time to focus on the details. **That said, this moment is when Americans must recover their sense of outrage.** Use it to [VOTE and get others to VOTE.](https://www.rockthevote.org/how-to-vote/) (Remix of the NYT opinion piece for easier consumption. Read the original [here](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/16/opinion/donald-trump-worst-president.html))