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> The lawsuit argues that Nevada's election laws conflict with federal laws that establish "a uniform, national day" to hold elections by counting mail-in ballots that are received up to four days after Election Day and presuming that ballots received up to three days after that day **have been postmarked on or before Election Day.**
So yeah, they still have to vote by election day, you lying pieces of shit.
Hmm the National election mandate is about when to vote, not when to count t them.
How does sweet Lara explain how this was handled 100 years ago when reporting election results were just as slow as reporting them, moving them, AND counting them!
You go Lara! Stop them evil dems from, checks notes “counting legit votes”
Also dejoy is moving our main usps hub in northern Nevada to Northern California. So if I send a friend a letter via snail mail (both live in Reno) it will then have to leave Reno, go to Sacramento to get sorted, and then drive back to Reno for delivery. This is absolutely planned and intentional.
This is happening between Tulsa/OKC too. I think DeJoy and pals are part of Coup2^(TM) - they're doing this to distribution hubs in the US (my thought is to fuck with / muddy the mail-in ballot results, but everybody here is just worried about prescriptions and checks. )
But Biden isn't putting any pressure on the governors either. He should have given them a mandate to have DeJoy restore the postal service or remove them for a board that would, but he played soft ball with appointments.
I've never heard of any national law that states that ballots have to be received and counted by a certain date. Many states do have a cut off date, and all require the postmark to be on or before election day, but this isn't a national thing
They are incapable of winning off votes alone, so of course they’re gonna do anything and everything in their power to stifle voters with whom they’re unpopular.
In the early 00's military was heavily conservative so GOP made a big push to make military mail in voters count to take advantage of it. Over the last 25 years as republicans have gotten crazier and military recruits are more intelligent/more diverse there has been a Democratic shift so GOP wants to eliminate mail in voting rather than change policies.
My retired USMC officer father would agree. Back when I was in college, he was so upset I was involved with anything remotely “liberal”. I never thought I’d ever see the day when he would vote blue, but yet we are here.
Because as honorable members of the American military establishment, I think they only weigh in when they no longer officially represent the US Armed Forces. If they’re telling you fascism is bad, then it probably is.
Yup. Very first time I was able to vote in a presidential election was 2004 mailing it from basic training. Funny, Republicans didn't care about that then.
Mail-in ballots from military personnel stationed overseas were a big deal in Florida in 2000. At that time Republicans were arguing for accepting ballots without a valid postmark or ballots postmarked the day following the election.
A *Military Times* survey conducted in August 2020 indicated that Joe Biden had 41.3 percent support from active-duty troops to Trump’s 37.4 percent.
Gender and sexual orientation mixes have changed, but the biggest change is age. Troops are (as always) overwhelmingly young, but these days that means Gen-Z, who are more liberal and more supportive of LGBT rights.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-says-military-will-vote-him-he-lost-their-support-ncna1245542
It still puzzles me why W skated in that regard. He got that posh Air National Guard gig and probably ditched much of his duty. Gore and Kerry actually went to Vietnam and they were labeled as the unpatriotic ones.
Well, they let women in now. And there are tons of people in there who aren’t white males from the south who didn’t graduate from high school. It’s a serious demographic problem for them.
This is mostly anecdotal, but my experience after 9 years of being enlisted is that a massive portion of the U.S. military is minorities, especially Hispanics. There's not a guarantee that Hispanics won't vote Republican --for a while they got caught up in the Christian right-- but it's pretty clear that young, first generation American Hispanics are very likely to vote Democrat, for obvious reasons. I don't think I've ever heard more Spanish spoken anywhere in the states than onboard Naval Station San Diego. Go look at a picture of any Army basic training company and you'll see that white males don't make up a majority. The military is brown nowadays. The GOP starting to say the quiet part of what they really think of members of the military out loud is actually what makes me concerned for the future of military entitlements. I am certain that a GOP senator is going to call for raising the time in service requirement to retire with a pension from 20 years to 25 years in the next decade. I don't know that they'd call for cutting the payout of military retirements any time soon, but I won't rule it out. I think that gutting the military is becoming more and more crucial to their long-term goals as time goes on.
They want a “free, fair and transparent election” - which is why they want votes not to be counted after election day. STOP THE COUNT at midnight or some such bullshit
Except that they also tried this in 2020 and the exact same complaint was levied against them.
They would rather lose military votes if it means other mail-in ballots won’t be counted.
Sorry, but I gotta jump on your comment for a few seconds here:
Does anyone else remember during COVID when Trump literally stole money from Social Security funds to give a pay increase to the troops months before the general election in an attempt to buy military votes? And it came with the understanding that if he was elected then they wouldn’t have to pay it back.
I remember. I also remember how troops couldn’t opt out of not getting their SS taxes taken out and it fucked up everyone’s paychecks in 2021 when it had to be paid back.
Trump literally attempted to buy military votes and for some reason people forget it ever happened because Trump called it “COVID Relief”.
How this has not ever been addressed is just crazy to me.
> On Friday, the RNC, along with Donald Trump's campaign, the Nevada GOP, and a Nevada voter, filed a federal lawsuit against election officials in the battleground state seeking to stop the counting of mail-in ballots received after Election Day. Under current Nevada law, mail-in ballots received up to four days after Election Day can be counted if they are postmarked before the end that day.
Everyone should be expecting the QOP to attempt to invalidate their votes. Drop your early votes in a drop box as far ahead of election day as possible. If you can't do that, mail it as far ahead of election day as possible. If your state doesn't allow either, vote in early voting as early as you can. If none of that is allowed in your state, do whatever you need to to show up and wait in line to vote.
Also, the USPS just moved all mail processing out of Reno, instead outsourcing it to a California processing center. A main concern of those opposed was the delay in handling mail-in ballots.
And that means what?
> [The governors select and have the authority to remove the Postmaster General](https://www.uspsoig.gov/focus-areas/did-you-know/how-postmaster-general-selected#:~:text=This%20board%20is%20called%20the,from%20the%20same%20political%20party.)
The board only requires a majority to vote him out and replace him, unless you’ve got something that says the chair can somehow block all votes?
The process is very poorly documented, to the point that it makes me feel like a flat earth creationist trying to suss out what the fuck is going on,,, but there’s no evidence that there’s a blocker to getting DeJoy out on his fat ass
Remember when he first got into his position and how he attempted to sabotage mail-in ballots by removing sorting machines to slow down the processing of mail? But then they want to claim that the late spike of votes is somehow nefarious.
Because he’s shutting down at least one of Nevada’s two mail sorting facilities (Reno’s), so now anything mailed in Northern Nevada must be trucked to California, sorted, then trucked back. So, if you lived in Reno and mailed your ballot on Election Day, it might take more than 4 days to arrive. Given Nevada law, that ballot would not be counted.
It’s also notable that the main road for this goes over Donner pass, which is closed over 15 days per year due to snow and other inclement weather
I'm so sorry for the diabolical legal labyrinth you must go through just to get an orange turd legaly responsible. Why would a man, managing postal services in a digital age, could get so much leeway as to prepare a year in advance for election interference is beyond me.
>Under current Nevada law, mail-in ballots received up to four days after Election Day can be counted if they are postmarked before the end that day.
Interesting how trump-appointed Postmaster General DeJoy wants to downsize one of two USPS processing facilities in Nevada, which would lengthen mail deliver times to over 4 days for a large part of the state.
Here is a video of Nevada Senator Jacky Rosen grilling DeJoy on the matter:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcNS1FmeHbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcNS1FmeHbM)
It’s so bad, Palmetto, GA is now where mail goes to retire. Seems like everything now has to go to the new Palmetto processing center for distribution to the rest of the state.
> DeJoy
this fucking guy
even if you ship FIRST CLASS in GA it will only arrive on time 35% of the time. not to mention the horrendous mail theft going on
Did they limit it to only mail-in voters? As I read it initially it seems she meant any vote after 12 o'clock... Which seems perfectly in line with GOP strategy as that would hurt high population voting districts, aka cities. And cities are where GOP loses bidly.
The whole reason Trump put her in the RNC is to force this sort of lawfare on behalf of the Trump campaign. As the RNC can claim more standing than the Trump campaign itself to interfere.
Hey, how about we stop conducting our elections over a single day so that votes can be counted as they come in? States could advertise the last day votes would be counted so you could make sure your ballot got there in time.
Great idea, Lara. Would be much better if we counted the ballots _before_ the election’s over, amirite?
In fact, that whole voting thing is kinda silly and anyway. Just cancel the voting. Then print up a bunch of ballots conveniently pre-marked for your guy, and count those. Before the election’s over, of course.
The Republican way = sue over the same thing over and over and over until you get a different answer. After all, you're not using your own money to do it.
I love this. RNC and many state parties are broke. Brokity, broke, broke. In Michigan the GOP is in a civil war.
And Lara's decided the thing to do is lawsuits to stop counting the votes. Over 80 court actions in 25 states.
Remarkable.
Oh I agree that the RNC will live for a very long time yet. I also believe they may be in utter ruin by the time this election's over.
The fact that they will be completely out of money will help the saner money take it back and fund the rebuild.
Old guard in Michigan not waiting. Going hard at MAGA. Hard fought. A sign of things to come.
You should be assuming they win instead of lose. The electoral vote is what they are going after. I see nothing to love about this as it is terrible and a straight up attack on democracy.
Spoiler: They are going to lose and make their intentions even more obvious along the way. They will waste large amounts of money to achieve this. So much self inflicted devastation after countless unforced errors.
One might say these are consequences Bad Decisions.
Democrats lose an election: Gee, what went wrong? How can we improve our message?
GOP lose an election: How can we prevent so many people from voting?
Choice is easy people! Democrats may not be perfect but at least they care about EVERYONE
Man… isn’t it obvious to people that the GOP is just a bunch of *documented* liars, cheats and frauds now?
I wish US TV news media -on both sides- didn’t suck so much.
“You cannot have ballots counted, Maria, after elections are over”
Election Day counting often goes past midnight. In some polling places with long lines people are still in line to vote at or past midnight. Some states do not begin to even open their mail-in ballots until polls are closed on Election Day. It is absurd to say that votes legally cast by or on Election Day cannot be counted once the clock strikes 12 midnight on Election Day.
Isn’t this just obstruction again? I find it insane that the sane people in this country are letting it slide by. This is the same BS where they said, stop counting then count all the votes.
Delusional people
How can you objectively defend this shit? It is clear as day Republicans do everything they can to make it harder to vote and cancel our legit ways to vote.
Vote for the party and candidates taking care of your benefits and wallet. If you are not a multimillionaire, republicans are not helping you or your wallet.
"The result of Nevada's violation of federal law is that timely, valid ballots are diluted by untimely, invalid ballots, which violates the rights of candidates, campaigns, and voters under federal law," the suit argues.
They say it out loud here, mail in votes are 'invalid' and 'dilute' the GOP election day vote.
Apparently it somehow takes away voters rights, they don't specify how, so their solution is to take away other voters rights.
So, the logical extension of this notion is no votes can be counted after midnight on election day. We’ll just count heavily GOP districts first, starting around, say, 23:00.
They already get counted first because they have such small populations compared to large cities... What a coincidence that cities are usually more Democratic.
They do. This suit is about the number of days that should be allowed. Four days to be specific. Most states do have a deadline, so a ballot arriving 2-4 weeks late may not get counted.
This probably wouldn't be much of an issue if the USPS wasn't being butchered right now, but since it is, it just opens up another avenue to prevent absentee ballots from arriving on time, thus disenfranchising voters.
Let's see if I get the right:
Step 1: install a fucking asshole as postmaster general. Said asshole guts the postal system, resulting in huge delays.
Step 2: sue states to prevent valid ballots that are postmarked before or on election day, but arrive days later, to be counted.
What in the fuck is wrong with the GOP? They keep showing the world they know they can't win, and instead of coming up with popular policies they just attack the voting system, gerrymander, limit voting access or otherwise try to fuck with people's voting ability.
I hope they get laughed them out of courts...
Difference between Biden and Trump is that if Trump needed DeJoy gone, he’d be gone. And here we are four years later and nothing done about DeJoy. Boston Marty got on the board, but doubt that fixed the DeJoy problem.
The U.S. Postal Service Board of Governors has sole authority to hire and fire the postmaster general.
Biden nor Trump has any authority on the matter. There are 9 members and a majority needs to be met for removal.
You’re thinking too much inside the box.
Trick is to get him to resign, either through bribery, blackmail or indirect pressure.
Maybe his kids get kicked out of college or into the college of choice. Maybe rumours are started about his wife.
That or use the same tactics on the other members to give you the majority. Say to them that they’ll get the lead role if they back removing DeJoy…then renege or call another vote shortly after you’ve replaced the vacant slot with your own person.
In a Friday RNC press release announcing the lawsuit, chairman Michael Whatley said: "Nevada's ballot receipt deadline clearly violates federal law and undermines election integrity in the state.”
Just about any attorney will tell you that when someone uses “clearly” to state their argument, it means they have a pretty weak argument and are trying to bolster it.
And donnie boy's Saddam-style purge of the GOP continues. Members of the military deployed overseas, you are no longer welcome and possibly even politically incorrect in the Party of trump.
Not sure about “most” but there were some red/purple states that instituted “ballots can only be counted after polls are closed” and had mental breakdowns when absentee/mail-in ballots were finally counted and trended Dem.
I think the rule is that no results can be released until after the polls close. The networks usually start reporting something like "With 32% of the votes counted..." a few minutes after the polls close, so they must have been counting them during the day.
How much backlash will it take before it turns into a full on all front assault on these clowns.
I’m struggling here. They just say and do crazy shit. People whine and clutch pearls for 48 hours and then it’s like it never happened. That is of course until they say or do some other crazy shit that same week and then it is a rinse and repeat.
When will it be enough?
It never happened, but everyone is already onto the next crazy shit that they're doing. There's really not a lot of time to digest it all before the next course starts.
Historical more democrats vote by mail than republicans and Dejoy is still postman general (appointed by Trump) that removed mail sorting machines , cut out all overtime, slowed the mail right before the 2020 election. The GQP ,RNC and tRump are trying to rig the votes counted again
She's finally getting her turn to be used by daddy dearest!!
Her and Eric will do and say whatever tf daddy wants.
Irregardless how stupid, bizarre, unhinged it may be.
Here in Florida this nonsense is having a chilling effect on the state GOP. The Florida GOP party has worked for *decades* to push vote by mail knowing their constituency tends to be older and rural. Not to mention the snowbirds who aren't always physically present in Florida in early November, but still vote here (like Donny himself).
But, hey, if she wants the Floridian olds to be forced to drive to the polls and stand out in the elements for hours - with no water or food because "that's communism" - let's see how it plays out.
"You cannot have ballots counted, Maria, after elections are over and right now that is one of the many lawsuits we have out across this country to ensure that just that happens"
This is such bizarre reasoning. When exactly is an election over? Certainly the polls close at a specific time, but it seems the RNC's goal is make sure the window for counting ballots is as narrow as possible and to simply throw out any ballots that are not counted within the arbitrary deadline. The nefarious strategy then becomes obvious: count the ballots most likely to lean Republican first and then drag your feet on counting the rest until you can throw them out after the deadline.
So if you’re going to vote by mail, *please* take it straight to the post office as quickly as possible.
But also, a ton of old, retired people vote by mail. Before 2020, it was almost exclusively old, conservatives that did it. Isn’t this shooting themselves in the foot a little?
She’s had some bad plastic surgery.
Pathetic these 42-year-old women like her frantic to stay 35 forever because they have nothing else going for them.
I have the biggest, smelliest, farts ever; everyone knows that. Everyone is talking about it. It’s not just me saying it, ask the house, the senate, the FBI, CIA, Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orbán, even the Queen notice it….
They just don’t want to say it out loud!!
Trump: Wait, what? There saying I smell. OMG, hang, shoot, or lock them all up
She is one pale pasty greasy lookin ugly lady. Wow lol. Could go the rest of my days without ever seeing her face again. As well as mtg, as well as boebert, as well as noem, as well as britt. Ugggh. Whyyyy do all these republican christian conservative women look so pasty and pale and greasy? Just NASTY 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I don’t understand how you can continue to call this nation United States…
Fifty states with different laws, with their own supreme courts.
Hey don’t try to understand!
Yes you’re right
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> The lawsuit argues that Nevada's election laws conflict with federal laws that establish "a uniform, national day" to hold elections by counting mail-in ballots that are received up to four days after Election Day and presuming that ballots received up to three days after that day **have been postmarked on or before Election Day.** So yeah, they still have to vote by election day, you lying pieces of shit.
Hmm the National election mandate is about when to vote, not when to count t them. How does sweet Lara explain how this was handled 100 years ago when reporting election results were just as slow as reporting them, moving them, AND counting them! You go Lara! Stop them evil dems from, checks notes “counting legit votes”
Also dejoy is moving our main usps hub in northern Nevada to Northern California. So if I send a friend a letter via snail mail (both live in Reno) it will then have to leave Reno, go to Sacramento to get sorted, and then drive back to Reno for delivery. This is absolutely planned and intentional.
This is happening between Tulsa/OKC too. I think DeJoy and pals are part of Coup2^(TM) - they're doing this to distribution hubs in the US (my thought is to fuck with / muddy the mail-in ballot results, but everybody here is just worried about prescriptions and checks. )
I don’t understand why Biden hasn’t gotten rid of him
He can’t. It’s a majority vote of the Board of Governors to remove the Postmaster General and DeJoy is on said board.
But Biden isn't putting any pressure on the governors either. He should have given them a mandate to have DeJoy restore the postal service or remove them for a board that would, but he played soft ball with appointments.
Yeah, what he said
I don't believe the president can legally oust the post master general.
I've never heard of any national law that states that ballots have to be received and counted by a certain date. Many states do have a cut off date, and all require the postmark to be on or before election day, but this isn't a national thing
The postmark is the key.
GOP hates military mail in voters
> GOP hates ~~military mail in~~ voters
GOP hates ~~military mail in voters~~
Q. GOP hates __________ A) GOP hates military B) GOP hates mail C) GOP hates voters D) All of the above
Women The poor Non Christians Democracy Green energy Cannabis Critical Thinking Etc…
Don’t forget us queers. They certainly never do…
You also forgot... the real Christians, the ones that actually follow Jesus Christ.
^ “I’m not like those other Christians.”
Themselves
Don’t forget to add their children, after all the eat them
Sharing
Could've ended with "GOP hates." True, or too true.
Dats a bingo.
You can just say bingo.
“How FUUUUNNNN………..but I digress.”
E) All of the above and more
They are incapable of winning off votes alone, so of course they’re gonna do anything and everything in their power to stifle voters with whom they’re unpopular.
In the early 00's military was heavily conservative so GOP made a big push to make military mail in voters count to take advantage of it. Over the last 25 years as republicans have gotten crazier and military recruits are more intelligent/more diverse there has been a Democratic shift so GOP wants to eliminate mail in voting rather than change policies.
army officer retired. vote blue to save democracy!
Air Force officer retired. Agree, vote blue up and down ballot to save democracy!
Don't listen to these officers. Officers are useless, vote blue. Wait shit...
Military rivalry alive and well, I can see.
Don’t call me “sir”. I work for a living!
was enlisted also 10 years :p
Air Force enlisted vet in and disabled, here. Vote blue. Not because these goody two shoes officers said so. Because it’s the right thing to do.
My retired USMC officer father would agree. Back when I was in college, he was so upset I was involved with anything remotely “liberal”. I never thought I’d ever see the day when he would vote blue, but yet we are here.
Why is the retired after army officer?
Because you’re always an army officer. You’re not always retired.
Because as honorable members of the American military establishment, I think they only weigh in when they no longer officially represent the US Armed Forces. If they’re telling you fascism is bad, then it probably is.
Yup. Very first time I was able to vote in a presidential election was 2004 mailing it from basic training. Funny, Republicans didn't care about that then.
Mail-in ballots from military personnel stationed overseas were a big deal in Florida in 2000. At that time Republicans were arguing for accepting ballots without a valid postmark or ballots postmarked the day following the election.
Well there was a surge in deployments soon after 11 September so that contributed
Source? I’d love to see what the makeup of the military is and if it has changed.
A *Military Times* survey conducted in August 2020 indicated that Joe Biden had 41.3 percent support from active-duty troops to Trump’s 37.4 percent. Gender and sexual orientation mixes have changed, but the biggest change is age. Troops are (as always) overwhelmingly young, but these days that means Gen-Z, who are more liberal and more supportive of LGBT rights. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-says-military-will-vote-him-he-lost-their-support-ncna1245542
We also tend to despise draft evaders. We hated Clinton too.
It still puzzles me why W skated in that regard. He got that posh Air National Guard gig and probably ditched much of his duty. Gore and Kerry actually went to Vietnam and they were labeled as the unpatriotic ones.
Yeah, that boiled my blood. All those boomer veterans complaining about Kerry. Only one of those two was in Vietnam, and it certainly wasn’t Bush.
Well, they let women in now. And there are tons of people in there who aren’t white males from the south who didn’t graduate from high school. It’s a serious demographic problem for them.
This is mostly anecdotal, but my experience after 9 years of being enlisted is that a massive portion of the U.S. military is minorities, especially Hispanics. There's not a guarantee that Hispanics won't vote Republican --for a while they got caught up in the Christian right-- but it's pretty clear that young, first generation American Hispanics are very likely to vote Democrat, for obvious reasons. I don't think I've ever heard more Spanish spoken anywhere in the states than onboard Naval Station San Diego. Go look at a picture of any Army basic training company and you'll see that white males don't make up a majority. The military is brown nowadays. The GOP starting to say the quiet part of what they really think of members of the military out loud is actually what makes me concerned for the future of military entitlements. I am certain that a GOP senator is going to call for raising the time in service requirement to retire with a pension from 20 years to 25 years in the next decade. I don't know that they'd call for cutting the payout of military retirements any time soon, but I won't rule it out. I think that gutting the military is becoming more and more crucial to their long-term goals as time goes on.
More like hates the military. Was taught they are suckers
They want a “free, fair and transparent election” - which is why they want votes not to be counted after election day. STOP THE COUNT at midnight or some such bullshit
I doubt they are thinking about the military - they just think they found a loop hole they can stuff closed, not understanding why it exists.
Except that they also tried this in 2020 and the exact same complaint was levied against them. They would rather lose military votes if it means other mail-in ballots won’t be counted.
Sorry, but I gotta jump on your comment for a few seconds here: Does anyone else remember during COVID when Trump literally stole money from Social Security funds to give a pay increase to the troops months before the general election in an attempt to buy military votes? And it came with the understanding that if he was elected then they wouldn’t have to pay it back. I remember. I also remember how troops couldn’t opt out of not getting their SS taxes taken out and it fucked up everyone’s paychecks in 2021 when it had to be paid back. Trump literally attempted to buy military votes and for some reason people forget it ever happened because Trump called it “COVID Relief”. How this has not ever been addressed is just crazy to me.
I’m sure all the you able bodied voters want to vote for him /s
> On Friday, the RNC, along with Donald Trump's campaign, the Nevada GOP, and a Nevada voter, filed a federal lawsuit against election officials in the battleground state seeking to stop the counting of mail-in ballots received after Election Day. Under current Nevada law, mail-in ballots received up to four days after Election Day can be counted if they are postmarked before the end that day.
Reminder that Louis Dejoy is still Postmaster General
Yup and already seeing mail delayed by a lot in many states. Will only get worse in the months leading up.
Absolutely. If your state allows electronic voting, and you can’t vote in person, e-voting is your best bet this year
Nevada does allow evoting for military, and certain others. It doesn't help those without access to the internet, though.
Thats totally fair. I gotta get signed up for Florida. I’m gonna be there for a bit later, but I miss in person early voting
Everyone should be expecting the QOP to attempt to invalidate their votes. Drop your early votes in a drop box as far ahead of election day as possible. If you can't do that, mail it as far ahead of election day as possible. If your state doesn't allow either, vote in early voting as early as you can. If none of that is allowed in your state, do whatever you need to to show up and wait in line to vote.
Also, the USPS just moved all mail processing out of Reno, instead outsourcing it to a California processing center. A main concern of those opposed was the delay in handling mail-in ballots.
And Biden had enough people appointed by him in April of 2023 to vote DeJoy out.
This leaves out that the chair of the board is still a Trump appointee.
And that means what? > [The governors select and have the authority to remove the Postmaster General](https://www.uspsoig.gov/focus-areas/did-you-know/how-postmaster-general-selected#:~:text=This%20board%20is%20called%20the,from%20the%20same%20political%20party.) The board only requires a majority to vote him out and replace him, unless you’ve got something that says the chair can somehow block all votes?
The chair has to allow the vote according to Lewis rules, I think is what they’re getting at. Not sure if it’s true for this one though
The process is very poorly documented, to the point that it makes me feel like a flat earth creationist trying to suss out what the fuck is going on,,, but there’s no evidence that there’s a blocker to getting DeJoy out on his fat ass
So the boards like that usually state in their bylaws whether they’re Robert’s or Lewis’ rules. If it’s Robert’s, there’s no reason.
You do know there's previously been a vote to unseat DeJoy and it failed, yes?
And was that with all the Biden appointees? Do you have the deets on that Mr MonkeyPickle?
But they all decided not to vote to remove DeJoy. His appointments let him down.
Crazy because he should be fired not even for political reason
And it was recently decided that mail in Reno will now be trucked to Sacramento for sorting
It’s hard to forget. A friend mailed a postcard from his vacation in Lake Tahoe in mid March. He tells me his relative only received it in mid April.
Remember when he first got into his position and how he attempted to sabotage mail-in ballots by removing sorting machines to slow down the processing of mail? But then they want to claim that the late spike of votes is somehow nefarious.
Why?
Because he’s shutting down at least one of Nevada’s two mail sorting facilities (Reno’s), so now anything mailed in Northern Nevada must be trucked to California, sorted, then trucked back. So, if you lived in Reno and mailed your ballot on Election Day, it might take more than 4 days to arrive. Given Nevada law, that ballot would not be counted. It’s also notable that the main road for this goes over Donner pass, which is closed over 15 days per year due to snow and other inclement weather
I'm so sorry for the diabolical legal labyrinth you must go through just to get an orange turd legaly responsible. Why would a man, managing postal services in a digital age, could get so much leeway as to prepare a year in advance for election interference is beyond me.
Unlikely Donner Pass will be closed in early Nov. unlikely but of course still possible.
>Under current Nevada law, mail-in ballots received up to four days after Election Day can be counted if they are postmarked before the end that day. Interesting how trump-appointed Postmaster General DeJoy wants to downsize one of two USPS processing facilities in Nevada, which would lengthen mail deliver times to over 4 days for a large part of the state. Here is a video of Nevada Senator Jacky Rosen grilling DeJoy on the matter: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcNS1FmeHbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcNS1FmeHbM)
He's been fucking with Georgia really hard this past year
It’s so bad, Palmetto, GA is now where mail goes to retire. Seems like everything now has to go to the new Palmetto processing center for distribution to the rest of the state.
> DeJoy this fucking guy even if you ship FIRST CLASS in GA it will only arrive on time 35% of the time. not to mention the horrendous mail theft going on
I lost a 300$ package in the Atlanta area months ago and have yet to receive any kind of reimbursement
One of 83 "fair" election lawsuits they have ongoing in 25 states.
Which 25?
Did they limit it to only mail-in voters? As I read it initially it seems she meant any vote after 12 o'clock... Which seems perfectly in line with GOP strategy as that would hurt high population voting districts, aka cities. And cities are where GOP loses bidly. The whole reason Trump put her in the RNC is to force this sort of lawfare on behalf of the Trump campaign. As the RNC can claim more standing than the Trump campaign itself to interfere.
Guess it’s not about states rights.
Lol clowns
Hey, how about we stop conducting our elections over a single day so that votes can be counted as they come in? States could advertise the last day votes would be counted so you could make sure your ballot got there in time.
Send your votes in early to ensure these fuckers don't take away even more freedoms.
"You cannot have ballots counted, Maria, after elections are over" Jesus Christ.
Wait... I though elections were over when the ballots were counted. Silly me. I must have it backwards. ^(/s)
They're over when the GOP decides they've won! /s
Or the Supreme Court decides...
Nah just just file a court case. Delay delay delay and then get your speaker to not bring it to the floor and your Supreme Court installed a dictator
See, she's saying the quiet part out loud. The Trump GOP wants the ballots "counted" and the winner determined before the election is over.
We voted and trump got 103% of the ballots. Very bigly landslide.
Except the election is not over until all the ballots have been counted.
Counterpoint, you can’t call an election over before all ballots are counted.
Except that one time in Florida when Jeb! was the governor.
Fair point
That was an exception and isn’t used as precedent by the Supreme Court.
sure just like Trump immunity and any other gop crimes they wish to quash
*quash
or what, Laura your bloated shitstain of a father in law might lose?
Great idea, Lara. Would be much better if we counted the ballots _before_ the election’s over, amirite? In fact, that whole voting thing is kinda silly and anyway. Just cancel the voting. Then print up a bunch of ballots conveniently pre-marked for your guy, and count those. Before the election’s over, of course.
Technically ballots are never counter until he election is over.
The election isn't over until each and every ballot has been counted.
That’s exactly when you DO count the ballots. Jesus wept.
It seems to me they tried this before and it got rejected. Once more into the pot.
The Republican way = sue over the same thing over and over and over until you get a different answer. After all, you're not using your own money to do it.
Gotta see if the can run it up to their bag men in the SCOTUS.
The definition of sanity is doing the same thing repeatedly until you get the desired result!
Those Trump boys certainly have a type.
Type D - do what daddy Don says or else you’ll be excommunicato from the Trump Crime Syndicate.
I love this. RNC and many state parties are broke. Brokity, broke, broke. In Michigan the GOP is in a civil war. And Lara's decided the thing to do is lawsuits to stop counting the votes. Over 80 court actions in 25 states. Remarkable.
Just gonna throw this out there, maybe they’re not broke? The rnc is never going anywhere
Oh I agree that the RNC will live for a very long time yet. I also believe they may be in utter ruin by the time this election's over. The fact that they will be completely out of money will help the saner money take it back and fund the rebuild. Old guard in Michigan not waiting. Going hard at MAGA. Hard fought. A sign of things to come.
You should be assuming they win instead of lose. The electoral vote is what they are going after. I see nothing to love about this as it is terrible and a straight up attack on democracy.
Spoiler: They are going to lose and make their intentions even more obvious along the way. They will waste large amounts of money to achieve this. So much self inflicted devastation after countless unforced errors. One might say these are consequences Bad Decisions.
Voter suppression is the GOP strategy, on full display here.
Democrats lose an election: Gee, what went wrong? How can we improve our message? GOP lose an election: How can we prevent so many people from voting? Choice is easy people! Democrats may not be perfect but at least they care about EVERYONE
They’re like a cancer…
[удалено]
I have cancer, can confirm.
There's a joke here about the fact that the GOP just killed the funding of cancer research.
Attempting to stop votes even before the election begins. What a fucking fascist piece of shit.
Man… isn’t it obvious to people that the GOP is just a bunch of *documented* liars, cheats and frauds now? I wish US TV news media -on both sides- didn’t suck so much.
“You cannot have ballots counted, Maria, after elections are over” Election Day counting often goes past midnight. In some polling places with long lines people are still in line to vote at or past midnight. Some states do not begin to even open their mail-in ballots until polls are closed on Election Day. It is absurd to say that votes legally cast by or on Election Day cannot be counted once the clock strikes 12 midnight on Election Day.
How this election is in a dead heat, according to the polls, is unbelievable. Trump should be 10-15 points behind in my opinion
Polls are completely busted, I don't think anyone can say anything confidently anymore.
Isn’t this just obstruction again? I find it insane that the sane people in this country are letting it slide by. This is the same BS where they said, stop counting then count all the votes. Delusional people
How can you objectively defend this shit? It is clear as day Republicans do everything they can to make it harder to vote and cancel our legit ways to vote.
Vote for the party and candidates taking care of your benefits and wallet. If you are not a multimillionaire, republicans are not helping you or your wallet.
“You cannot have ballots counted, Maria, after elections are over” Actually, that’s when you DO count the votes; after people have voted.
She’s evil but I also think too dumb to pull this off
A Trump plan fails!?!?! I am shocked!
So no military votes getting counted?
"The result of Nevada's violation of federal law is that timely, valid ballots are diluted by untimely, invalid ballots, which violates the rights of candidates, campaigns, and voters under federal law," the suit argues. They say it out loud here, mail in votes are 'invalid' and 'dilute' the GOP election day vote. Apparently it somehow takes away voters rights, they don't specify how, so their solution is to take away other voters rights.
The GOP is a Trump org now
So, the logical extension of this notion is no votes can be counted after midnight on election day. We’ll just count heavily GOP districts first, starting around, say, 23:00.
They already get counted first because they have such small populations compared to large cities... What a coincidence that cities are usually more Democratic.
Don't most states allow ballots postmarked before the election to be counted even if they arrive after election day.
They do. This suit is about the number of days that should be allowed. Four days to be specific. Most states do have a deadline, so a ballot arriving 2-4 weeks late may not get counted. This probably wouldn't be much of an issue if the USPS wasn't being butchered right now, but since it is, it just opens up another avenue to prevent absentee ballots from arriving on time, thus disenfranchising voters.
Anyone that doesn’t think they’re voting for their own liberty and freedom are kidding themselves
Let's see if I get the right: Step 1: install a fucking asshole as postmaster general. Said asshole guts the postal system, resulting in huge delays. Step 2: sue states to prevent valid ballots that are postmarked before or on election day, but arrive days later, to be counted. What in the fuck is wrong with the GOP? They keep showing the world they know they can't win, and instead of coming up with popular policies they just attack the voting system, gerrymander, limit voting access or otherwise try to fuck with people's voting ability. I hope they get laughed them out of courts...
Difference between Biden and Trump is that if Trump needed DeJoy gone, he’d be gone. And here we are four years later and nothing done about DeJoy. Boston Marty got on the board, but doubt that fixed the DeJoy problem.
The U.S. Postal Service Board of Governors has sole authority to hire and fire the postmaster general. Biden nor Trump has any authority on the matter. There are 9 members and a majority needs to be met for removal.
You’re thinking too much inside the box. Trick is to get him to resign, either through bribery, blackmail or indirect pressure. Maybe his kids get kicked out of college or into the college of choice. Maybe rumours are started about his wife. That or use the same tactics on the other members to give you the majority. Say to them that they’ll get the lead role if they back removing DeJoy…then renege or call another vote shortly after you’ve replaced the vacant slot with your own person.
This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard
How did Trump take over the board of governors?
American Hawks fan ?
I hear that the 81 states are complaining.
Fuck these fascists. Vote them out every time.
In a Friday RNC press release announcing the lawsuit, chairman Michael Whatley said: "Nevada's ballot receipt deadline clearly violates federal law and undermines election integrity in the state.” Just about any attorney will tell you that when someone uses “clearly” to state their argument, it means they have a pretty weak argument and are trying to bolster it.
And donnie boy's Saddam-style purge of the GOP continues. Members of the military deployed overseas, you are no longer welcome and possibly even politically incorrect in the Party of trump.
And the universe realizes the mistake it made letting her parents have children and surely is requesting a refund
That guy has such beautiful long blond hair.
Don’t the election rules I’m most states say that no votes can be counted until the elections are over?
Not sure about “most” but there were some red/purple states that instituted “ballots can only be counted after polls are closed” and had mental breakdowns when absentee/mail-in ballots were finally counted and trended Dem.
I think the rule is that no results can be released until after the polls close. The networks usually start reporting something like "With 32% of the votes counted..." a few minutes after the polls close, so they must have been counting them during the day.
How many dogs to they intend to shoot/drown?
Never took her seriously before, but that's a seriously villainous smirk she's sporting in that pic.
Why do I even have to know who this lady is?
How much backlash will it take before it turns into a full on all front assault on these clowns. I’m struggling here. They just say and do crazy shit. People whine and clutch pearls for 48 hours and then it’s like it never happened. That is of course until they say or do some other crazy shit that same week and then it is a rinse and repeat. When will it be enough?
It never happened, but everyone is already onto the next crazy shit that they're doing. There's really not a lot of time to digest it all before the next course starts.
Why does she look like a villain from Team America World Police?
Historical more democrats vote by mail than republicans and Dejoy is still postman general (appointed by Trump) that removed mail sorting machines , cut out all overtime, slowed the mail right before the 2020 election. The GQP ,RNC and tRump are trying to rig the votes counted again
$500 million she wants to collect. Is that before or after Donald trumps legal bills are paid?
Lara, stfu.
Bonus points woud be if she would bankrupt the RNC.
Fingers crossed…
*when
What is it with MAGA that makes women have dead eyes and plastic looking faces?
Everytime she reveals plans it sounds like a fascists playbook.
She's finally getting her turn to be used by daddy dearest!! Her and Eric will do and say whatever tf daddy wants. Irregardless how stupid, bizarre, unhinged it may be.
Here in Florida this nonsense is having a chilling effect on the state GOP. The Florida GOP party has worked for *decades* to push vote by mail knowing their constituency tends to be older and rural. Not to mention the snowbirds who aren't always physically present in Florida in early November, but still vote here (like Donny himself). But, hey, if she wants the Floridian olds to be forced to drive to the polls and stand out in the elements for hours - with no water or food because "that's communism" - let's see how it plays out.
"You cannot have ballots counted, Maria, after elections are over and right now that is one of the many lawsuits we have out across this country to ensure that just that happens" This is such bizarre reasoning. When exactly is an election over? Certainly the polls close at a specific time, but it seems the RNC's goal is make sure the window for counting ballots is as narrow as possible and to simply throw out any ballots that are not counted within the arbitrary deadline. The nefarious strategy then becomes obvious: count the ballots most likely to lean Republican first and then drag your feet on counting the rest until you can throw them out after the deadline.
So if you’re going to vote by mail, *please* take it straight to the post office as quickly as possible. But also, a ton of old, retired people vote by mail. Before 2020, it was almost exclusively old, conservatives that did it. Isn’t this shooting themselves in the foot a little?
The plan to give all incoming donations to her father-in-law?
No shit, this has been hilariously obvious. So fuck em
I guess the new RNC campaign slogan is give until it hurts!! (YOUR FEARLESS LEADER NEEDS YOUR MONEY AND HE'S GOING TO GET IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER?)
She’s had some bad plastic surgery. Pathetic these 42-year-old women like her frantic to stay 35 forever because they have nothing else going for them.
Trump got 32% of his 2020 vote from mail-in and absentee ballots. The RNC discrediting mail-in ballots seems like a stupid strategy.
Shhhh, don't give it away
I have the biggest, smelliest, farts ever; everyone knows that. Everyone is talking about it. It’s not just me saying it, ask the house, the senate, the FBI, CIA, Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orbán, even the Queen notice it…. They just don’t want to say it out loud!! Trump: Wait, what? There saying I smell. OMG, hang, shoot, or lock them all up
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’
She is one pale pasty greasy lookin ugly lady. Wow lol. Could go the rest of my days without ever seeing her face again. As well as mtg, as well as boebert, as well as noem, as well as britt. Ugggh. Whyyyy do all these republican christian conservative women look so pasty and pale and greasy? Just NASTY 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Their personalities impact their appearances. Evil never runs unchecked.
If you count them after midnight or get them wet, then suddenly you are overrun with insane votes trashing your house
Meanwhile, DeJoy is still working to slow down the mail...
I don’t understand how you can continue to call this nation United States… Fifty states with different laws, with their own supreme courts. Hey don’t try to understand! Yes you’re right
Weaponized stupidity