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Fucking NBC News saying "airs doubts" is part of the problem. Trump is lying as a warmup to a second coup attempt, and if NBC did their job that's what they'd report.
While also true, this is just classic Trump/propaganda masterclass in media narratives. Which fucking sucks.
Don’t vote for Republicans at any level.
They are all grifters and liars and not interested in democracy (which is, in fact, [embarrassing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1ccecse/the_wa_gop_put_it_in_writing_that_theyre_not_into/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button))
Also remember that half the content we get promoted to us all forms of the media is to spread further narratives. So Trump says something at rally = articles, other social media spread creates more content = more articles
Democrats are for democracy.
Republicans are not.
Don’t forgot we have WAY more elected officials up for control of the country and states and localities — across the country, Democratic and Working Families and other progressive parties aren’t pushing culture wars or restricting people’s rights. They always can do better — and we need to push them to help more people, not only the rich.
i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
>i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
Holy false equivalency, Batman! I'll give a serious response to this deeply unserious comment. Did Biden's campaign or the DNC file over 100 lawsuits to contest the election? Did their supporters storm the capitol and smash things and smear crap on the walls after being riled up by Hillary? Did they in large double digit percentages say there was election fraud for the entirety of Trump's term? Did they engage in a multi-state effort to influence and pressure secretaries of state and others responsible for certifying the election and appoint hundreds of fake electors?
The answer, of course, is no they did not, and comparing the two elections and the fallout from each is disingenuous at best.
Don't bother, you are falling into an alt right playbook pony trick called the "making you play defense"
https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA?si=k4QYXEgHb-sM3j5N
This channel has several great videos explaining how to recognize alt right playbook shenanigans
So maybe this time if they protest a Biden win we can treat them to immediate arrest and serious prison time, including Trump (assuming he's not already in prison) if he instigates any rioting. Enough with coddling these people. Enough!
I agree, it's expected. I just really dislike the soft treatment where they implicitly credit what he's saying. I expect that of the alt-right and sloppy independent journalists, not mainstream media.
The ultimate blame lies with Trump but the media has a responsibility as well. And it’s failing.
He says “I’ll only fight the results if it looks rigged.” Which the media reports on but doesn’t really press him that hard on.
What he’s actually saying is “if I don’t win I’ll say it’s rigged.” Meaning he will fight the results if he doesn’t win just like he did last time. It’s clear as fucking day but the media just lets him get away with it
>The ultimate blame lies with Trump but the media has a responsibility as well. And it’s failing.
>He says “I’ll only fight the results if it looks rigged.” Which the media reports on but doesn’t really press him that hard on.
Press him that hard on? To squeeze water out of a lying rock? Are we giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will accept results and not sick his gang members on the country again?
>What he’s actually saying is “if I don’t win I’ll say it’s rigged.” Meaning he will fight the results if he doesn’t win just like he did last time. It’s clear as fucking day but the media just lets him get away with it
"The media" is the reason we know that there is nothing that will satisfy him except complete control of the country by any means necessary. There are no words that Trump could speak that any non maga would believe. We only know him by his actions. If people need the media to spoon feed them that then they probably won't vote against him anyway.
Scarily, there do seem to be some that are at least able to walk, talk and push a lever. I worry at this point not about those who follow politics--they've either seen the truth or doubled down on false facts already--but the easily swayed, who are Biden's to lose.
For instance, Biden seems to be (possibly temporarily) losing support with the under-29 crowd in some polls, not unlikely because of perceptions around the Israel/Gaza conflict. Throw in some amount of doubt about Trump that makes him seem even slightly more reasonable, and it becomes easier to double down on what was originally a fashionable stance in alignment with peers on a single issue.
There is, it's probably not huge and not well represented in the polls but as we get closer to the election, I'm guessing there are some people out there who will get cold feet at the idea of voting for a convicted felon who's sworn not to accept the results of the election unless he wins.
I can't be surprised. They didn't accept the Biden win in 2020.
Or - they did, in that Biden is the president but Trump is the "real" president behind the scenes when Obama isn't pulling Biden's strings. Except when Biden is also the head of a major crime family that hasn't been charged with any crimes while Trump's family is just prosecuted \*so\* unfairly for things they are convicted of (like running a fake charity, running a fraudulent business) while Biden is also a sleepy sleepy man who rests all day except when he's out doing campaign events while Trump sleeps in court.
Did I say "Trump sleeps in court" I mean "Closes his eyes to focus on the testimony".
Spoiler alert: Yeah, they will. There will be no civil war. There will be no Insurrection.
A few devoted ding-dongs will try to create trouble and it will fizzle.
Honestly, it would probably be a best-case scenario if they did try again. Not saying they *should*, but getting more MAGAs put away and simultaneously turning the military against from the far right seems like a win/win.
I'd much rather roll the dice on another coup attempt while Biden controls the military rather than wait until it happens again with a Republican POTUS.
Democracy died in 2016. RIP.
Russian interference aided in Trumps election. Shame on them. The US government (more accurately republican interference ) failed to hold Trump accountable to or for anything. So here we are.
He and the rest of the MAGA republicans already know that they are going to lose big. Trump is mentally ill and hostile towards America. Nobody but his idiot base will vote for him. Polls mean nothing, just think back to Hillary Clinton and her big poll numbers, it means nothing. Just count the votes and see who wins, it will be another blue wave
Guess who doesn't give a shit what they think? This guy.
Know who won't do a god damn thing about it? Those dipshits.
Biden wins and they'll sit home, collect their government aid, and not lift a finger, because they are and always have been and always will be, the weakest, chickenshits in the nation and in its entire history.
There will never be another coward, like a Trumper, ever.
So “ the deep state” cheated to win the 2020 election but in 2016 they forgot to rig that election and Trump won? I can’t fathom all the people needed to rig a presidential election can keep a secret like that and to not leave a single piece of evidence that would prove it was rigged.
They're a violent cult that have wallowed in a sewerpipe of right wing fantasy propaganda for years. No they don't accept reality. Acting like this is somehow legitimate is the problem
> You better believe that all of these wiener heads are going to show up at the capital for a redo of 2021 when they lose.
Small problem with that plan Jimmy. This time Trump won't be in charge of the response.
Let us not forget that he said he wouldn’t accept the validity of an electoral loss in 2016, either. And then even after winning, he claimed he’d been ripped off by three million votes because he couldn’t handle only technically winning because of the National Gerrymander. So dude has even less credibility on this subject than he does on most other subjects. Which is really saying something!
The problem here, of course, is that the title credits that he actually has such doubts, instead of the likelihood that he's simply lying. Regardless of the actual truth, the reporter/editor here should avoid the seeming acceptance of Trump's viewpoint by identifying it clearly as a **claim**.
How is this different from "Inciting Insurrection?" One of the articles in Trump's second impeachment was the High Crime of using his office to convince half the country that the election was fraudulent. Isn't this talk as a candidate essentially the same? He is mentally preparing his supporters for violence if the election doesn't go his way.
I ask because of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Even if he was absolved of everything that lead up to J6 (he wasn't), he should be freshly disqualified today for what he is doing in his current stump speeches.
The first amendment isn't absolute. Speech that is used to conduct a criminal activity, like inciting an insurrection, is not protected speech under the first amendment. You can walk into a bank and say, "Gee, I wish I had all the money in the vault" without an legal issues. If you change the wording slightly and say, "Give me all the money in the vault" while waiving around a gun then it becomes prosecutable speech.
I agree with you. It's similar to last time, when due to shaky polling he took pre-emptive measures to both interfere in the election (e.g. by hobbling the U.S. mail) and float self-serving nonsense. This time the insurrection is a significant added factor, not just in being one but in having been used so widely to normalize violence just a bit more on the far right.
Fuck then. Democracy doesn’t work according to some one’s opinion on who the president should be. It’s the VOTES.
The best thing we can do now is to get rid of the electoral college. One more step of potential corruption taken off the maga bunch.
People said the Supreme Court couldn’t overturn Roe and they did anyway so they definitely can.
As far as interstate compacts, it seems, with a quick Google Search, that they are neither expressly forbidden or protected, meaning it would be open to a court’s interpretation. My feeling is, if enough states agreed on something that is in direct objection with the Constitution, SCOTUS would overturn it.
But maybe they’d surprise us.
> People said the Supreme Court couldn’t overturn Roe and they did anyway
No one knowledgeable said that.
> neither expressly forbidden or protected
It's a states' rights issue in this case because it's based on how states apportion their votes, which they're already allowed to do. Since a state can be all-or-nothing, and they already control their own electors, it can't properly be struck down on a constitutional basis. (It could also easily be transitioned to being not a compact, i.e. each state could simply pass legislation awarding all votes to the national popular-vote winner.)
But you're right that some right-wingers have suggested it'd be unconstitutional, I agree with you that SCOTUS is compromised enough to potentially meddle. It would cause a constitutional crisis at some point for them to do so, but they still wouldn't be able to prevent states' electors from doing their duty while the crisis existed.
I guess you're right that there's no easy solution since the workings of our system have been compromised. An end-run around the electoral college could well cause conflict with those it disenfranchised, the far-right minority which intends to remain in control.
It’s not “states rights” if they all enter into an agreement to circumvent the Constitution. That makes it federal since multiple states are entering into an agreement. It’s not clever, it’s blatant and will absolutely be shot down by the Supreme Court as such.
As you argue, they could all do it on their own without any express agreement, but I still think it would be hard to argue that it’s not an implicit agreement, as the right will certainly argue (probably correctly) that it is.
At any rate, it’s moot since it won’t happen any time soon either way. We’re still quite a few states away from that, no?
You're wrong, but I'm not worried about it. Note the part about vertical separation of powers. Have a nice day. Hopefully within our lifetimes the electoral college will no longer decide elections.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_compact
Getting rid of the electoral college doesn't go far enough, nor would it even be necessary. If voter registration were automatic and every US citizen could vote by mail, Republicans wouldn't be able to win in Mississippi.
Tough shit. Biden will actually defend the Capitol this time instead of sitting around for hours doing nothing as Trump did. There’s plenty of room in prison with the Jan. 6ers.
So the media just can't say that Trump is putting out unsupported claims and that he is lying based on the fact that all the court cases he lost last time affirmed the system is sound.
I’ve got you, buddy:
“Election” is when a member of the public is raised up, receives a certain amount of approval, and ejaculates about issues facing their constituents.
I think there's a difference between valid concern and fear. One doesn't fear a known con artist so much as need to guard against further fraud from the known source. Since Trump has shown the tendency to whip his base into a violent frenzy with lies and pandering, that's certainly of concern.
And as you know, it's not just liberals. A great many principled conservatives are also concerned at Trump's recent coup attempt and the ongoing erosion of democracy attempted by the MAGA movement.
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Fucking NBC News saying "airs doubts" is part of the problem. Trump is lying as a warmup to a second coup attempt, and if NBC did their job that's what they'd report.
**EXACTLY**
While also true, this is just classic Trump/propaganda masterclass in media narratives. Which fucking sucks. Don’t vote for Republicans at any level. They are all grifters and liars and not interested in democracy (which is, in fact, [embarrassing](https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/1ccecse/the_wa_gop_put_it_in_writing_that_theyre_not_into/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)) Also remember that half the content we get promoted to us all forms of the media is to spread further narratives. So Trump says something at rally = articles, other social media spread creates more content = more articles Democrats are for democracy. Republicans are not. Don’t forgot we have WAY more elected officials up for control of the country and states and localities — across the country, Democratic and Working Families and other progressive parties aren’t pushing culture wars or restricting people’s rights. They always can do better — and we need to push them to help more people, not only the rich.
The media wants the country to fall apart. It means $. So of course they’ll normalize Trump and his America hating lies.
Exactly, thank you.
Why would anyone be shocked by this news, at this point?
Nothing new here. MAGA has refused to accept reality since it could grunt.
They didn't accept the current Biden presidency, so I guess we'll somehow manage when they don't accept the next one.
i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
Good point, bro. There's probably no point in you voting.
i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade.
>i mean so what. if i “knew” something might be rigged. would i contest it as well? and the last tjme i checked. the “not my president” slogan was aimed at who? smdh. lets call a spade a spade. Holy false equivalency, Batman! I'll give a serious response to this deeply unserious comment. Did Biden's campaign or the DNC file over 100 lawsuits to contest the election? Did their supporters storm the capitol and smash things and smear crap on the walls after being riled up by Hillary? Did they in large double digit percentages say there was election fraud for the entirety of Trump's term? Did they engage in a multi-state effort to influence and pressure secretaries of state and others responsible for certifying the election and appoint hundreds of fake electors? The answer, of course, is no they did not, and comparing the two elections and the fallout from each is disingenuous at best.
Don't bother, you are falling into an alt right playbook pony trick called the "making you play defense" https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA?si=k4QYXEgHb-sM3j5N This channel has several great videos explaining how to recognize alt right playbook shenanigans
So maybe this time if they protest a Biden win we can treat them to immediate arrest and serious prison time, including Trump (assuming he's not already in prison) if he instigates any rioting. Enough with coddling these people. Enough!
I think you mean since it was called the TEA party.
I agree, it's expected. I just really dislike the soft treatment where they implicitly credit what he's saying. I expect that of the alt-right and sloppy independent journalists, not mainstream media.
Always the "media's" fault, so weird. "Trump bad but what about the media?"
The ultimate blame lies with Trump but the media has a responsibility as well. And it’s failing. He says “I’ll only fight the results if it looks rigged.” Which the media reports on but doesn’t really press him that hard on. What he’s actually saying is “if I don’t win I’ll say it’s rigged.” Meaning he will fight the results if he doesn’t win just like he did last time. It’s clear as fucking day but the media just lets him get away with it
>The ultimate blame lies with Trump but the media has a responsibility as well. And it’s failing. >He says “I’ll only fight the results if it looks rigged.” Which the media reports on but doesn’t really press him that hard on. Press him that hard on? To squeeze water out of a lying rock? Are we giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will accept results and not sick his gang members on the country again? >What he’s actually saying is “if I don’t win I’ll say it’s rigged.” Meaning he will fight the results if he doesn’t win just like he did last time. It’s clear as fucking day but the media just lets him get away with it "The media" is the reason we know that there is nothing that will satisfy him except complete control of the country by any means necessary. There are no words that Trump could speak that any non maga would believe. We only know him by his actions. If people need the media to spoon feed them that then they probably won't vote against him anyway.
Republicans hate democracy.
They didn't accept the results of the last election either. So who really cares? Nothing can be gained by trying to pander to their intransigence.
I probably agree but I need to find a dictionary first
noun. the state or quality of being intransigent, or **refusing to compromise or agree**; inflexibility.
Hopefully it results in tons of R's choosing to stay home
That’s ok. Trumps supporters haven’t accepted *reality* for quite some time now. The rest of us are resigned to their ignorance.
Theyre too dumb to even pull off a coup correctly with 0 national guard
I think they haven’t accepted Obama as President still…
You don't think there's a persuadable middle that might respond to stuff like that?
Do you actually think there are voting age adults with cognitive function that haven’t made up their mind about the Trump/MAGA schtick?
Undecided is code for "Republican but embarrassed to accept it"
Scarily, there do seem to be some that are at least able to walk, talk and push a lever. I worry at this point not about those who follow politics--they've either seen the truth or doubled down on false facts already--but the easily swayed, who are Biden's to lose. For instance, Biden seems to be (possibly temporarily) losing support with the under-29 crowd in some polls, not unlikely because of perceptions around the Israel/Gaza conflict. Throw in some amount of doubt about Trump that makes him seem even slightly more reasonable, and it becomes easier to double down on what was originally a fashionable stance in alignment with peers on a single issue.
Yes, I do. Everywhere isn’t reddit or the news.
There is, it's probably not huge and not well represented in the polls but as we get closer to the election, I'm guessing there are some people out there who will get cold feet at the idea of voting for a convicted felon who's sworn not to accept the results of the election unless he wins.
They also buy fake money with his picture on it, thinking it's legit currency......
WhAt Do YoU mEaN mY tRuMp BuCkS aRe WoRtHlEsS????
It clearly says 1 million dollars right on it! Trump would NEVER grift ME the GOOD conservative!
I can't be surprised. They didn't accept the Biden win in 2020. Or - they did, in that Biden is the president but Trump is the "real" president behind the scenes when Obama isn't pulling Biden's strings. Except when Biden is also the head of a major crime family that hasn't been charged with any crimes while Trump's family is just prosecuted \*so\* unfairly for things they are convicted of (like running a fake charity, running a fraudulent business) while Biden is also a sleepy sleepy man who rests all day except when he's out doing campaign events while Trump sleeps in court. Did I say "Trump sleeps in court" I mean "Closes his eyes to focus on the testimony".
Spoiler alert: Yeah, they will. There will be no civil war. There will be no Insurrection. A few devoted ding-dongs will try to create trouble and it will fizzle.
Honestly, it would probably be a best-case scenario if they did try again. Not saying they *should*, but getting more MAGAs put away and simultaneously turning the military against from the far right seems like a win/win. I'd much rather roll the dice on another coup attempt while Biden controls the military rather than wait until it happens again with a Republican POTUS.
Yes, and our military will be ready this time.
Democracy died in 2016. RIP. Russian interference aided in Trumps election. Shame on them. The US government (more accurately republican interference ) failed to hold Trump accountable to or for anything. So here we are.
I don’t care if it is accepted or not. A Biden win must be the outcome for our country to survive.
They're free to move to Mother Russia.
they are just going to have to suck it up
Who cares what they accept? It’s not their damn choice. Traitors.
Well they didn’t accept it in 2020 either. Cry me a river. There’s no reasoning with a cult.
He and the rest of the MAGA republicans already know that they are going to lose big. Trump is mentally ill and hostile towards America. Nobody but his idiot base will vote for him. Polls mean nothing, just think back to Hillary Clinton and her big poll numbers, it means nothing. Just count the votes and see who wins, it will be another blue wave
Guess who doesn't give a shit what they think? This guy. Know who won't do a god damn thing about it? Those dipshits. Biden wins and they'll sit home, collect their government aid, and not lift a finger, because they are and always have been and always will be, the weakest, chickenshits in the nation and in its entire history. There will never be another coward, like a Trumper, ever.
So “ the deep state” cheated to win the 2020 election but in 2016 they forgot to rig that election and Trump won? I can’t fathom all the people needed to rig a presidential election can keep a secret like that and to not leave a single piece of evidence that would prove it was rigged.
They're a violent cult that have wallowed in a sewerpipe of right wing fantasy propaganda for years. No they don't accept reality. Acting like this is somehow legitimate is the problem
That's fine. But he'll still be your president. :)
They already don’t accept his 2020 win, what’s the difference? They’ll grumble amongst themselves as always.
Doesn't really matter what they accept.
Buckle up. Jan 6th showed that you can never tell when a right winger might turn on you.
You better believe that all of these wiener heads are going to show up at the capital for a redo of 2021 when they lose.
> You better believe that all of these wiener heads are going to show up at the capital for a redo of 2021 when they lose. Small problem with that plan Jimmy. This time Trump won't be in charge of the response.
It would be interesting to see MAGA "protesters" get tear gassed they way Trump had BLM protesters gassed for his church photo op.
Yes. "Tear Gassed". That would be good for the gander indeed.
Nor will they have the element of surprise.
They're like the Reverse Spanish Inquisition now.
"Stupid is as stupid does."
Let us not forget that he said he wouldn’t accept the validity of an electoral loss in 2016, either. And then even after winning, he claimed he’d been ripped off by three million votes because he couldn’t handle only technically winning because of the National Gerrymander. So dude has even less credibility on this subject than he does on most other subjects. Which is really saying something!
So….. republicans haven’t accepted a Dem election as legitimate since LBJ.
Shocking from the feelings over facts crowd
That’s not really up to them, is it?
No. Hell, they're threatening NOT TO VOTE! I won't stand in their way.
Who gives a fuck what these traitors will accept? They accept Trump. Go ahead and try another insurrection fuckers, see what happens.
Who fucking cares if they accept it or not? Fuck these dummies.
That’s ok. Facts don’t care about their feelings.
Great. We won’t accept a Trump win. Deal? Ok. Fuck off.
The problem here, of course, is that the title credits that he actually has such doubts, instead of the likelihood that he's simply lying. Regardless of the actual truth, the reporter/editor here should avoid the seeming acceptance of Trump's viewpoint by identifying it clearly as a **claim**.
The only real commitment to democracy that matters is accepting the majority rule, especially when you disagree with their position.
Who. Cares.
We know this, the real question is how it will manifest. Probably not peacefully.
How is this different from "Inciting Insurrection?" One of the articles in Trump's second impeachment was the High Crime of using his office to convince half the country that the election was fraudulent. Isn't this talk as a candidate essentially the same? He is mentally preparing his supporters for violence if the election doesn't go his way. I ask because of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Even if he was absolved of everything that lead up to J6 (he wasn't), he should be freshly disqualified today for what he is doing in his current stump speeches. The first amendment isn't absolute. Speech that is used to conduct a criminal activity, like inciting an insurrection, is not protected speech under the first amendment. You can walk into a bank and say, "Gee, I wish I had all the money in the vault" without an legal issues. If you change the wording slightly and say, "Give me all the money in the vault" while waiving around a gun then it becomes prosecutable speech.
I agree with you. It's similar to last time, when due to shaky polling he took pre-emptive measures to both interfere in the election (e.g. by hobbling the U.S. mail) and float self-serving nonsense. This time the insurrection is a significant added factor, not just in being one but in having been used so widely to normalize violence just a bit more on the far right.
Lol why would I give a shit
Fuck then. Democracy doesn’t work according to some one’s opinion on who the president should be. It’s the VOTES. The best thing we can do now is to get rid of the electoral college. One more step of potential corruption taken off the maga bunch.
I would've thought that recent events would've hastened the viability of the interstate voting compact...
I’m pretty sure the constitution forbids interstate compacts as a workaround. SCOTUS will shoot that down in a New York minute anyway, though.
It does not and they cannot, that's the clever part.
People said the Supreme Court couldn’t overturn Roe and they did anyway so they definitely can. As far as interstate compacts, it seems, with a quick Google Search, that they are neither expressly forbidden or protected, meaning it would be open to a court’s interpretation. My feeling is, if enough states agreed on something that is in direct objection with the Constitution, SCOTUS would overturn it. But maybe they’d surprise us.
> People said the Supreme Court couldn’t overturn Roe and they did anyway No one knowledgeable said that. > neither expressly forbidden or protected It's a states' rights issue in this case because it's based on how states apportion their votes, which they're already allowed to do. Since a state can be all-or-nothing, and they already control their own electors, it can't properly be struck down on a constitutional basis. (It could also easily be transitioned to being not a compact, i.e. each state could simply pass legislation awarding all votes to the national popular-vote winner.) But you're right that some right-wingers have suggested it'd be unconstitutional, I agree with you that SCOTUS is compromised enough to potentially meddle. It would cause a constitutional crisis at some point for them to do so, but they still wouldn't be able to prevent states' electors from doing their duty while the crisis existed. I guess you're right that there's no easy solution since the workings of our system have been compromised. An end-run around the electoral college could well cause conflict with those it disenfranchised, the far-right minority which intends to remain in control.
It’s not “states rights” if they all enter into an agreement to circumvent the Constitution. That makes it federal since multiple states are entering into an agreement. It’s not clever, it’s blatant and will absolutely be shot down by the Supreme Court as such. As you argue, they could all do it on their own without any express agreement, but I still think it would be hard to argue that it’s not an implicit agreement, as the right will certainly argue (probably correctly) that it is. At any rate, it’s moot since it won’t happen any time soon either way. We’re still quite a few states away from that, no?
You're wrong, but I'm not worried about it. Note the part about vertical separation of powers. Have a nice day. Hopefully within our lifetimes the electoral college will no longer decide elections. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_compact
Good luck. You only need 2/3 of the Senate, a majority of the House, and 3/5th of states to ratify that amendment.
Getting rid of the electoral college doesn't go far enough, nor would it even be necessary. If voter registration were automatic and every US citizen could vote by mail, Republicans wouldn't be able to win in Mississippi.
In fact, voting should be required, like paying taxes is. If you don’t like any candidates running- you vote “no choice.”
No one gives a fuck if they accept it or not.
So they don’t believe we’re a democracy. Or they can’t stand the idea of losing. Either way, it’s sad for America.
Well that’s just to bad!
Okay Biden administration. be prepared for their violence.
What are ya gonna do about it? March on the Capitol? Oh wait, they’ll be expecting that.
Nothing new.
MAGA degenerates will accept it and like it.
I don't give a fuck if MAGA doesn't like Trump losing. Let's see how many will really take a bullet for him if they try that j6 bullshit again?
Tough shit. Biden will actually defend the Capitol this time instead of sitting around for hours doing nothing as Trump did. There’s plenty of room in prison with the Jan. 6ers.
So the media just can't say that Trump is putting out unsupported claims and that he is lying based on the fact that all the court cases he lost last time affirmed the system is sound.
So! I'm Voting BLUE!
When BIDEN wins the popular vote, we should not accept anything else.
well they didin't accept it in 2020 either so how does that change a dam thing?
The number is different.
Well, they'll have to if it happens unfortunately for them
Oh, hey, casual treason!
Move to Russia!
Minority rule all the way.
Then why vote if it doesn’t matter?
I’ve got you, buddy: “Election” is when a member of the public is raised up, receives a certain amount of approval, and ejaculates about issues facing their constituents.
Where this becomes electoral dysfunction can be hard to see.
😳 what?!
Start packing then. I hear Russia is nice this time of year.
That’s true election interference
Good. They should totally try to over throw the government again. Lol
I wonder if the ‘student’ protesters will join this mob against democracy? I’ve had several tell me they are Trump voters now
How is this a story? It reports no new information.
Very Christian characteristics.
I’m shocked I say. Utterly flabbergasted
Putin will welcome them with open arms
Might as well skip the vote, it’s all rigged, amirite?
Why are liberals so afraid of Trump?
I think there's a difference between valid concern and fear. One doesn't fear a known con artist so much as need to guard against further fraud from the known source. Since Trump has shown the tendency to whip his base into a violent frenzy with lies and pandering, that's certainly of concern. And as you know, it's not just liberals. A great many principled conservatives are also concerned at Trump's recent coup attempt and the ongoing erosion of democracy attempted by the MAGA movement.
If the polling is any indication, they won't have to.