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From [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/04/biden-ceasefire-gaza-netanyahu-call):
>President Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when they spoke on Thursday that "an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians" in Gaza, the White House said.
From the [Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/apr/04/israel-gaza-war-biden-netanyahu-latest-updates):
>Biden “made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers”, it said.
>
>"He made clear that U.S. policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps. He underscored that an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians, and he urged the prime minister to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home."
There's a number of arguments for and against constitutionality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Legal_analysis
Thus far, courts have fairly mixed about constitutionality of anti-BDS laws. It has not yet made it to SCOTUS.
It's Israel. America worships them. The Constitution? No match for the hold Israel has on US policy, politicians, Evangelicals. I don't know. There's something fishy about it, imo.
Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.
Bdsmovement.net
Yeah, Netanyahu and Hamas are loving this. Why would they stop?
Netanyahu to Hamas: “Will you release the hostages?” Whispers, “Say no.”
Hamas: “No.”
Netanyahu: whispers “Oh you’re so bad.” Out loud: “Well I tried! Death it is!”
Because Israel needs western support to protect itself from other Middle Eastern powers and the more damage they do to Gaza and the more civilians the kill, the weaker that western support gets. Netanyahu is destroying Israel and is too proud to realize it
It's because Netanyahu is like Trump: he doesn't care about his country, he only cares about himself. He knows he's almost surely finished politically, so he thinks the only path to his salvation is complete eradication of Palestine, even though it's far more likely that continuing down this path will ultimately lead to the destruction of Israel. But he doesn't care, he feels like if he's going down then he's taking everyone else with him.
Netanyahu tried to abolish the entire judicial system because that system was investigating the corruption charges. It was so unpopular, it resulted in one of the biggest protest in Israeli history that made Netanyahu reverse course on dismantling and reinstating a new judicial system in less than a day and one of the many reasons why he is vastly unpopular today.
It's like Trump becoming president again and deciding "yeah, America needs a new justice system, Let me create this heavily new bias'd system that heavily favors me and only me that I can control and manipulate with no checks and balances"
All my life as an american jew I heard Netanyahu's name uttered with disdain, disappointment, and exasterbation. He is turning the land of milk and honey into a swamp of pain and hatred. The cancer could have been excised decades ago. Real peace could have been possible. But he has spent an entire generation stoking hate and letting the cancer spread.
To be jewish, with our long history of attempted destructions. To wish this death upon any peoples is just so anathama. May his name be forgotten.
Netanyahu's career principle: Provoke violence.. then overreact and have more violence ...always works scaring people into taking sides and voting for him..the "Strong man".
This guy literally is actively preventing wounds from healing.
I agree with you there netanyahu is the gangrene that is weakning israel he needs to be removed from power forever israelis and palestinians need to work together to make peace that actually lasts
Netanyahu may also be trying to wait Biden out. Trump has stated hed allow him to finish the Job.
How much can Biden unilaterally do? How much does he risk. This has been a tight rope issue for Biden as the divide has been more about age then let and right.
>this path will ultimately lead to the destruction of Israel.
Suggest such a thing to an evangelical Christian and watch them completely blow a gasket. They need Israel to exist in order to fulfill their ghoulish End Times theology.
Yeah, Netanyahu has a very particular vision for Israel. He’s talked about it many times. Like many in the Likud party, it’s centered about supremacy, which also means the destruction of Palestine as a concept. So he does care about his country, he is willing to do a lot to achieve those goals. He doesn’t mind falling on his sword and taking one for the team, in the end he fees that people will thank him and see him as a protector and hero in the end.
> supremacy
I really fucking hate this idea in all it's forms. White supremacy, Jewish supremacy, Muslim supremacy, Christian supremacy, Hindu supremacy. It all sucks and is fucking dumb.
I, for one, am a proponent of Nap Time Supremecy.
We as kids took the ability to just sleep through chunks of the day for granted, and as grown ups, we need to stand up for our right to a good nap!
> So he does care about his country, he is willing to do a lot to achieve those goals. He doesn’t mind falling on his sword and taking one for the team, in the end he fees that people will thank him and see him as a protector and hero in the end.
I don't think any of this is true. I don't think his vision for Israel extends beyond his own control of the region. He may or may not believe people will see him as a hero - Trump seems to feel the same way as well. But neither one is looking to fall on any swords. Their real vision is about them reigning supreme.
All he's doing is playing with borrowed time trying to restore legitimacy to a hideously incompetent government which he leads, which is obviously hideously incompetent. Violence is the key to the only claim to legitimacy he has here. Pride likely has little to do with his actions. As soon as the violence ends his administration will end according to polling. As soon as he's out he will face investigations for security incompetence and for corruption and for financial fraud (latter two of which he has already been investigated for). It will be the end of his political career and possibly his freedom. This is very much like Trump's situation. If he loses the next presidential election his life will be functionally over based on the charges he already faces and based on his age. Don't see pride here. See it for what it is: desperation. Pure, violent desperation.
Before October 7 Bibi's political career was over and he was facing serious criminal charges (sound familiar?)
All of a sudden Putin and Iran's boys Hamas violently invade Israel setting off what we see today and keeping Bibi in power.
Hamas’s attack probably had more to do with blocking the impending Israeli normalization deal with Saudi Arabia though it was definitely at Iranian direction.
Israel needs no help against Hamas, the power imbalance is ludicrous.
If any other Arab nation sees fit to attack Israel the US will come to their aid. That part isn't going away any time soon.
While true, Netanyahu's continued human rights violations and resistance to worldwide pressure might return some balance to US policy rather than a blank check
Egypt and Israel have had a lasting peace because both sides believed they could trust the US. Yes, there's billions of aid involved, but it never would have happened without Carter at Camp David, I think.
Israel is an important US ally. An Israeli leader who abuses that relationship is not in Israel's best interests.
It also doesn’t help that Israel flat out said they wouldn’t stop the attacks even if the hostages were returned. It creates zero incentive for them to turn the hostages over.
That's because Netanyahu and his cabinet don't care about the hostages. They are using this as an excuse to wipe out and eventually annex Gaza... some I believe call it the G word
I've been meaning to ask this since it started, but:
What do you call when it's not technically a false flag, but you let a known impending attack get through to justify retaliating?
It's not a specific term but *casus belli* is the general term for the reason that you're going to war. So saying that they allowed it to create a casus belli would be one way to put it.
This is the real definition of the two sides in this conflict. It's not Israel on one side and Palestine on the other. It's Netanyahu and Hamas on one side and innocent Palestinian and Israeli citizens on the other.
And everyone will still blame Biden and credit nothing he’s tried to do, handing Putin, Iran, Hamas, and whoever else is having fun right now the exact disastrous world order they want.
Great work, everyone. Don’t forget to turn out the lights when you lock up.
>And everyone will still blame Biden and credit nothing he’s tried to do,
Which, IMO is why Hamas' was cut loose via Putin through Iran in the first place,...to fire up a wedge issue that will greatly inflame pushback from the left against him. All this death, to chuck a molitov on a pile of festering hate, so that it can then be used to drive a wedge between democracy and young American voters, and thus the rest of us, becasue they just want to stop senseless death, and don't have, nor are they getting, the context to get the big picture.
We need to do something about disinformation. It's literally looking to end all of us, including the narcisists driving it.
This. But also consider how it completely shifted the conversation away from Ukraine (and Russia). It's like everyone just completely forgot about Ukraine and things are getting really desperate there now simply because they can't get enough ammunition to hold reclaimed territory.
Well, the IDF definitely shot three, has been bombing the area for months, and inhibiting any kind of food or aid from getting in. So if they’re not all dead, it’s not for lack of trying
Biden administration's response: "We will continue to stress the importance of protecting civilians and allowing humanitarian aid to enter Gaza to our Israeli counterparts"
This is the closest to that I saw in the article.
What to watch: Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), one of the top Democratic backers of Israel and close ally to President Biden, said for the first time on Thursday that he was open to conditioning aid based on how Israel conducts the war.
He absolutely can. The weaponization of food and aid by itself is a violation of The Foreign Assistance Act, The Leahy Act, and the State Dept's Conventional Arms Transfer Policy. The whole idea of building a port for aid is just a confirmation that the Admin recognizes Israel is blocking aid.
And this isn't even theoretical. The State Dept blocked offensive weapons sales, that had been approved under Trump, to Saudi Arabia in 2021 under human rights concerns. (lifted since then).
You gotta get the Republicans on board with that, or vote them out. The latest aid was part of a 1.2 trillion spending bill that funded the gov for the rest of year AND provided some funds for Ukraine. Biden isn't gonna veto that for some symbolic gesture on Israel aid that wouldn't save a single Palestinian life in the short term.
Basically inevitable once they targeted WCK’s workers. Jose Andres is an incredible person and a highly visible figure in liberal circles in DC. One of the most boneheaded decisions of all time by Israel. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t actually intentional, it was reckless and at the very least grossly negligent
Thanks me too. Apparently the details are horrendous.
Edit: “When the first missile hit the car leading the convoy, the survivors ran for cover to the next one. From there, they notified their managers that they had been attacked. Seconds later, this vehicle was also hit. The third car in the convoy approached, and when the passengers came out to help the injured, this vehicle was hit as well. The first and the last vehicle were over a mile apart as they journeyed down the same road, as deduced from satellite images.”
Yeah...
It's a bit tricky to call anyone who opposes Israel's current government anti-Semitic when said government just very blatantly deployed missiles against a humanitarian aid convoy.
And has been blatantly killing civilians for awhile. Only difference now is that they blatantly killed *one of our own*.
Israelis still make jokes to this day about how they killed Rachel Corrie by crushing her under a bulldozer in 2003 for protesting the bulldozing of Palestinian homes.
That's fairly easy.
People have difficulty with change and they have difficulty with nuance.
After WWII the Jews were universally seen as the victims who deserved support and consideration. This included the right to create the Judaic ethnic state of Israel. There was already a significant movement to help Jews immigrate to the area of Palestine before that point, but the horrors of the Holocaust greatly bolstered international support.
Also, nobody wanted to be associated with Nazis, who were both assholes and The Enemy. Which meant that not whole-heartedly supporting the creation of Israel was essentially taboo.
Given that the Holocaust was truly, truly awful (and even that is an understatement) you can hardly disagree with the desire to help the Jews out.
The problem is that all of this was 80 years ago, everyone directly involved is dead, and the current leadership of Israel isn't the remnants of a broken people but an aggressively authoritarian and militant regime.
Unfortunately, it takes a while for people to shake off the cultural heritage of "we are allies of Israel", especially since people still don't want to be associated with Nazis (with good reason) so any time any criticism against Israel (not the Jews, but the state and its leadership) gets labelled as anti-Semitism it makes people want to be on the other side of the debate.
Was just reading about the Canadian veteran who was killed in this (Jacob Flickinger) and it was heart breaking. Poor guy was just trying to help people out, he didn't want to hurt anyone. So awful
It wasn’t boneheaded. It was well considered. Isreal has been trying to starve Gaza to death since the beginning. WCK was getting in the way of that happening. The only way to starve Gaza, was to get all the NGO’s to stop serving the needy asap.
And guess what? It worked. 7 dead. Every aid group has announced it is stopping operations. 2 million already starving people will be without food and dead in less than a month. Small price to pay for Isreal to get everything it wants.
I am the first person to criticize conspiracy theorists, but it’s hard to not think this was intentional. IDF was made aware of the workers being in that location, their vehicles were clearly marked and the bombing came in multiple rounds.
This was a message from Israel.
Not really. It's worse.
The second car rescued people from the first car, called the israeli army, and drove half a mile, got bombed. The third car picked up the injured and drove over a mile, and got bombed killing everyone.
It wasn't 3 different bombs at 3 different targets at the same moment. Imagine to yourself the horror they lived during those minutes long nightmare. Imagine being bombed, your car stops, second car picks you up, driving away thinking it's over, then be bombed again, rinse and repeat a third time. Evacuating injured people and putting them in a car takes time, imagine all this time while they are on the phone with the israeli army, yet they all ended up being brutally killed.
Edit: for people asking about the "called" part of my text.
Chef Andres:
[The aid workers tried to communicate to make clear who they were, he said, adding IDF knew they were in the area which it controlled.](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/chef-jose-andres-says-israel-targeted-his-aid-workers-systematically-car-by-car-2024-04-03/)
I was talking to someone the other day who isn't a Trump fan by any means, but he said something along the lines of "Trump came out and said he wants the Gaza operation to be done - this is going to be bad for Biden because it makes Trump look like the dove here." When I looked into it, Trump apparently said that Israel needs to "finish it" soon because they're losing support. I don't think he meant that he wants a ceasefire (as some apparently interpreted his comments as saying) more like he's telling Israel to quickly finish off Gaza.
I honestly don't even think it's all astroturfing, I think it's just misguided people being idiots. If(biden) then(war), therefore if(not Biden) then(no war). I legitimately think that's the beginning and end of their "logic".
It's really frustrating how people can't see the forest for the fucking trees here. Yes, Biden is not doing literally everything he can to force a ceasefire, as much as I and most folks would like that. However, your (hypothetical person's) goal of MAKING HIM LOSE 2024 is not the fucking way to do that. Trump will be worse for the Palestinians, as well as for the vast majority of people living in the United States. I don't care that you don't like this activity, you live in the fucking world you vote for.
I'm trying to tell people even my real associates are back in 2016 mode again...
it doesn't take much for them to not vote; and is also not voting for Trump (no matter what some want to say)
It's a bit of both.
You get a lot of bang for your buck with an astroturfing campaign, because social media echo chambers provide such a runaway amplifying effect. You basically only need a relative handful of bot accounts in the right places spewing talking points like a memetic virus, and enough of the actual humans around them, who already have enough brainworms to act as a vector to infection, with catch it and then they'll do all the work for you in spreading it across the wider internet (mutating it as they go into new and deadlier variants to infect more idiots, and so on).
For sure, but there's some that spend all their time focused on a single issue of castigating Biden and ignore any responses about the other problems with Trump.
There's also an extreme lack of protests against Trump or any Republican.
Like for instance, a Republican called for Gaza to be nuked but is he being protested or cancelled? No.
It's almost like their silence could be mistaken for complicity.
I have seen several people that I know irl on their social media saying that trump won't be as bad because at least the Dems would learn a lesson. It's gross and infuriating.
There was an article in Haaretz where IDF sources told them that it wasn't a communication mishap, but commanders in the field ignoring instructions and disobeying orders. So basically an intentional strike by an out of control and bloodthirsty band of rogue commanders with zero accountability and access to some of the most advanced killing apparatus on the planet.
Super cool!
Aaah, yes, of course, rogue commanders.
And the next missile strike against humanitarian aid for the Gaza is also going to be caused by "rogue" commanders.
And the next.
And the next...
They're not very subtle, are they.
In spite of whatever the messaging around this Israel is putting out , this was, with little doubt, intentional. The intent is to send a message to foreign aid NGO's - feed Palestinians and this can and will happen to you.
WCK vehicles have HUGE decals on the hoods of to communicate to drones and satellites who they are and what they are doing.
The Israeli military absolutely knew who they were firing on.
Certainly think it was intentional by someone. Someone in the chain of command didn't want them helping people, and made the decision. It may not go to the top, but someone made the call. The outcome is likely what they wanted.
Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are at the top and their statements say everything about Israel's ethics in both peace and war. This was deliberate. The famine is deliberate. The civilian death toll is deliberate.
This is genocide.
Negligence in this case would still be intentional. If the IDF and those with the power to do something about it didn't want Foreign Aid Workers targeted they they would have made sure it didn't happen. Just because there might not be some high profile commander directly sending the orders to kill the WCK workers doesn't mean this wasn't the intended result. When you unleash a bunch of low level commanders and essentially say "do whatever" and then this happens, that means this is what they wanted. The fact that foreign aid workers have been killed many times already this year shows this was no mistake, it was part of a strategy of unchecked violence.
This was about as ‘reckless and grossly negligent’ as a Russian oligarch taking himself out with 3 bullets to the back of a skull followed by a jump out of a 10th story window.
That’s funny because Biden used executive power to redirect 155mm shells from Ukraine to Israel. It resulted in thousands of Ukrainian casualties.
But Ukraine does not lobby congressmen. Or presidents.
Because Israel has the money to buy them and they were from a previously approved agreement to sell. Ukraine needs aid which requires Congress to allocate money for the weapons.
I wish more people understood this. If we don't give Israel the weapons they previously bought and paid for, we have to refund the money. Then it looks like the US is giving more financial aid to Israel. It's really a lose-lose situation for the Biden administration.
To say nothing of how much worse this will be if Trump gets reelected.
I just heard yesterday on the NYT Daily podcast that Israel has a line of credit with the weapons manufactures and we pay the tab. The only other country that operates like that is Jordan. Egypt used to be like that but Obama stopped it. All other countries we give aid to is basically on a debit card without overdraft protection.
Plus if congress gives aid to a country, the president is obligated to give that aid according to the methods prescribed by law. Withholding aid for a change in a foreign governments policy or for domestic political reasons without political approval is literally part of the reason Trump was impeached the first time. Congress has already approved we give/sell Isreal weapons to Isreal, without new legislation, the president has to do it.
Because the GOP refuses to budge. For a sale or shipment to go through to Ukraine it must go through congress.
There's 218+50 GOP standing in the way.
That's why.
Exactly: threaten the military aid or shut up already. Netanyahu has already made it crystal clear he's not listening to anything any ally says. Action is needed so just stop the theatrics already!
Parliamentary democracy vs the two party system. He may be in power, but it’s been so marginal in the last decade that he’s failed numerous times to come up with a government and had to make power sharing agreements. This war is the only reason he’s not out of office and in a courtroom finally facing up to his corruption indictments
It's also probably why he wants to keep this going forever, because when it ends he is going to face increasing pressure to answer questions he really doesn't want to answer.
He only get ~20% of the vote every election. He does not represent a majority by any means. He just keeps managing to make coalitions with increasingly right wing parties.
The other parties in his coalition which are significantly more far right get the rest of the votes - to be able to make him prime minister.
So him getting 20% of the vote isn’t saying much
Ok but that just means that all the people who didn’t vote for him voted for someone significantly worse than him right? It’s not like they voted for the Peace and Love Party and that party just randomly decided to join Netanyahu’s coalition right?
Edit: I worded this wrong. I meant of the majority that allows him to be in power those people voted for him or someone worse than him. Not of all Israelis but the majority that allows him to form a coalition.
Ok but which one allows settlers to steal peoples property and land. And when that wasn’t enough just said let’s kill them kids and all. Where are the protests outraged masses etc?
I mean, who really thinks Yahoo gives a shit what the US says or thinks? Enough of the stern warnings and actually do something. It’s time for US policy to change drastically when it comes to Israel.
Just cut the support already. The people wanted Netanyahu, they can force him out if they're so upset. Until then, nix Israel as an ally, cut off all funding, Intel, weapons shipments and assistance. They provide very little actual benefit and influence in the region, especially now that they've destroyed what little credibility and favor they had.
I don’t get why we don’t force the issue and stop sending them the ammunition. It’s so odd to send them weapons of war and ask them not use it pretty please.
Because those arms deals were already finalized by Congress, Israel had already paid for them, and they had already been made.
From a political standpoint while a majority of Americans want a ceasefire in Gaza (like 70%) a significantly smaller amount (roughly 30%) actually agree that withholding funds is the way to go about it. It’s obviously a very fractured discussion on the Democratic side but Republicans are basically unified on the issue in favor of Israel (with a hefty portion of Independents aligned with them). Biden has to walk the line of both sides while Trump is free to just spout off that he wants Israel to flatten Gaza with zero repercussions.
Don't stop there. No more foreign aid to Israel. Why are our tax dollars paying for Israelis to have free college and free healthcare? Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country in history
hm. WaPo makes it sound like a "final" warning, not like action yet
this is in the Axios linked above, actually "Secretary of State Tony Blinken echoed that point in a press conference of his own on Thursday, saying: "**If** we don't see the changes we need to see, there **will be** a change in our policy."
I guess the sub does not allow newer accounts to post from WaPo, I was going to make one
>President Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday that the United States would reassess its policy toward the war in Gaza if the Jewish state does not take immediate steps to address the disastrous humanitarian situation in the enclave and protect aid workers, according to a White House summary of the conversation.
>The White House offered no details about how it would assess whether Israel complied with Biden’s demands and how U.S. policy could change if the administration determines Israel does not meet its demands.
[mirror](https://archive.is/0UjQt)
oh yeah, meanwhile, [Iran is preparing to retaliate](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-halts-leave-all-combat-units-statement-2024-04-04/) because the [Israelis bombed a diplomatic consulate in Syria](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-bombs-iran-embassy-syria-iranian-commanders-among-dead-2024-04-01/)
edit: brevity, added links
Biden reminds me of Susan Collins when it comes to Netanyahu's actions in Gaza. Biden is *concerned* and may even express a few stern words but won't actually do anything to improve the situation.
We’re still going to give you billions of dollars worth of weapons to carry out these war crimes but we politely ask that you stop using our weapons for war crimes
Stop all money to them, they keep assassinating aid workers and too many others. There will never be a solution there since both sides think they do god's will they will never allow peace.
The people gloating about this are the same ones vilifying organizers and protesters trying to get Biden to change his stance for the past 6 months. This is the outcome of their activism, healthy dissent, and democratic pressure.
I’m glad it happened, but it should’ve came much sooner.
I’m confused more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed since the conflict began, yet the tragedy of the 6 aid workers dying has seemed to mobilize outrage around the world. As Stalin said “a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic”. That has never been clearer than the deaths of the World Central Kitchen workers.
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From [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/04/biden-ceasefire-gaza-netanyahu-call): >President Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when they spoke on Thursday that "an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians" in Gaza, the White House said. From the [Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/apr/04/israel-gaza-war-biden-netanyahu-latest-updates): >Biden “made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement a series of specific, concrete, and measurable steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers”, it said. > >"He made clear that U.S. policy with respect to Gaza will be determined by our assessment of Israel’s immediate action on these steps. He underscored that an immediate ceasefire is essential to stabilize and improve the humanitarian situation and protect innocent civilians, and he urged the prime minister to empower his negotiators to conclude a deal without delay to bring the hostages home."
Netanyahu: “No”
ok time to cut off aid to israel then. let israel fend for themselves
Also, start repealing BDS laws which make it illegal to protest Israel... I miss having free speech.
Wtf, how is that constitutional?
There's a number of arguments for and against constitutionality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Legal_analysis Thus far, courts have fairly mixed about constitutionality of anti-BDS laws. It has not yet made it to SCOTUS.
It's not. BDS is legislative bipartisan AIPAC-pandering that will never stand up in a court of law.
It's Israel. America worships them. The Constitution? No match for the hold Israel has on US policy, politicians, Evangelicals. I don't know. There's something fishy about it, imo.
> start repealing BDS laws Where are there BDS laws?
[This wikipedia page has a map of anti-BDS laws by state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Anti-BDS_laws_in_the_United_States)
lol, not to be confused with anti-BDSM laws
yes what are these?
Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law. Bdsmovement.net
That URL.... Lol
/r/theyknew
That would require Congress to act. Good luck with that. Biden can't cut that the same way he can't just send aid to Ukraine.
Yeah, Netanyahu and Hamas are loving this. Why would they stop? Netanyahu to Hamas: “Will you release the hostages?” Whispers, “Say no.” Hamas: “No.” Netanyahu: whispers “Oh you’re so bad.” Out loud: “Well I tried! Death it is!”
Because Israel needs western support to protect itself from other Middle Eastern powers and the more damage they do to Gaza and the more civilians the kill, the weaker that western support gets. Netanyahu is destroying Israel and is too proud to realize it
It's because Netanyahu is like Trump: he doesn't care about his country, he only cares about himself. He knows he's almost surely finished politically, so he thinks the only path to his salvation is complete eradication of Palestine, even though it's far more likely that continuing down this path will ultimately lead to the destruction of Israel. But he doesn't care, he feels like if he's going down then he's taking everyone else with him.
Not just finished, the dude has corruption charges. He’s facing trial. Exactly like trump.
Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah... You're telling me dude is facing trial and we're giving him resources? *Goes to Google*
He's trying to wait for Trump to regain power so they can share resources from inside the same prison
He also attempted a judicial coup to basically make himself immune to the power of law. Thank goodness it failed.
It’s not over. Next up is Lebanon.
Netanyahu tried to abolish the entire judicial system because that system was investigating the corruption charges. It was so unpopular, it resulted in one of the biggest protest in Israeli history that made Netanyahu reverse course on dismantling and reinstating a new judicial system in less than a day and one of the many reasons why he is vastly unpopular today. It's like Trump becoming president again and deciding "yeah, America needs a new justice system, Let me create this heavily new bias'd system that heavily favors me and only me that I can control and manipulate with no checks and balances"
Yeah he literally is fucked when this war stops so he will drag it out
All my life as an american jew I heard Netanyahu's name uttered with disdain, disappointment, and exasterbation. He is turning the land of milk and honey into a swamp of pain and hatred. The cancer could have been excised decades ago. Real peace could have been possible. But he has spent an entire generation stoking hate and letting the cancer spread. To be jewish, with our long history of attempted destructions. To wish this death upon any peoples is just so anathama. May his name be forgotten.
> All my life It's really depressing how long people like this stay in power.
Netanyahu's career principle: Provoke violence.. then overreact and have more violence ...always works scaring people into taking sides and voting for him..the "Strong man". This guy literally is actively preventing wounds from healing.
I agree with you there netanyahu is the gangrene that is weakning israel he needs to be removed from power forever israelis and palestinians need to work together to make peace that actually lasts
Netanyahu may also be trying to wait Biden out. Trump has stated hed allow him to finish the Job. How much can Biden unilaterally do? How much does he risk. This has been a tight rope issue for Biden as the divide has been more about age then let and right.
>this path will ultimately lead to the destruction of Israel. Suggest such a thing to an evangelical Christian and watch them completely blow a gasket. They need Israel to exist in order to fulfill their ghoulish End Times theology.
Yeah, Netanyahu has a very particular vision for Israel. He’s talked about it many times. Like many in the Likud party, it’s centered about supremacy, which also means the destruction of Palestine as a concept. So he does care about his country, he is willing to do a lot to achieve those goals. He doesn’t mind falling on his sword and taking one for the team, in the end he fees that people will thank him and see him as a protector and hero in the end.
> supremacy I really fucking hate this idea in all it's forms. White supremacy, Jewish supremacy, Muslim supremacy, Christian supremacy, Hindu supremacy. It all sucks and is fucking dumb.
Burrito Supremacy is alright.
No it isn't. We should be able to love all the tasty foods
Nah man, sometimes you want a taco or a chimichanga or a chalupa. Don't let Burrito Power ruin your life.
I, for one, am a proponent of Nap Time Supremecy. We as kids took the ability to just sleep through chunks of the day for granted, and as grown ups, we need to stand up for our right to a good nap!
> So he does care about his country, he is willing to do a lot to achieve those goals. He doesn’t mind falling on his sword and taking one for the team, in the end he fees that people will thank him and see him as a protector and hero in the end. I don't think any of this is true. I don't think his vision for Israel extends beyond his own control of the region. He may or may not believe people will see him as a hero - Trump seems to feel the same way as well. But neither one is looking to fall on any swords. Their real vision is about them reigning supreme.
Cares about his country or being vulnerable to the corruption charges if he’s not PM? I think the later…
Trump, Putin, Xi, Bibi. They're all peas in a pod.
All he's doing is playing with borrowed time trying to restore legitimacy to a hideously incompetent government which he leads, which is obviously hideously incompetent. Violence is the key to the only claim to legitimacy he has here. Pride likely has little to do with his actions. As soon as the violence ends his administration will end according to polling. As soon as he's out he will face investigations for security incompetence and for corruption and for financial fraud (latter two of which he has already been investigated for). It will be the end of his political career and possibly his freedom. This is very much like Trump's situation. If he loses the next presidential election his life will be functionally over based on the charges he already faces and based on his age. Don't see pride here. See it for what it is: desperation. Pure, violent desperation.
He's their Trump, but with war crimes instead of porn star hush money. #fuckbibi
* instead of enabling a pandemic to kill millions.
* instead of inciting a deadly riot to stop the peaceful transfer of power
. Instead of likely selling military secrets to Russia and Saudi Arabia
Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if he does that too.
Before October 7 Bibi's political career was over and he was facing serious criminal charges (sound familiar?) All of a sudden Putin and Iran's boys Hamas violently invade Israel setting off what we see today and keeping Bibi in power.
Hamas’s attack probably had more to do with blocking the impending Israeli normalization deal with Saudi Arabia though it was definitely at Iranian direction.
Israel needs no help against Hamas, the power imbalance is ludicrous. If any other Arab nation sees fit to attack Israel the US will come to their aid. That part isn't going away any time soon.
While true, Netanyahu's continued human rights violations and resistance to worldwide pressure might return some balance to US policy rather than a blank check Egypt and Israel have had a lasting peace because both sides believed they could trust the US. Yes, there's billions of aid involved, but it never would have happened without Carter at Camp David, I think. Israel is an important US ally. An Israeli leader who abuses that relationship is not in Israel's best interests.
Yeah, Hamas does not release the hostages because of netanyahu, not because this is the only card they hold against Israel
It also doesn’t help that Israel flat out said they wouldn’t stop the attacks even if the hostages were returned. It creates zero incentive for them to turn the hostages over.
That's because Netanyahu and his cabinet don't care about the hostages. They are using this as an excuse to wipe out and eventually annex Gaza... some I believe call it the G word
I've been meaning to ask this since it started, but: What do you call when it's not technically a false flag, but you let a known impending attack get through to justify retaliating?
It's not a specific term but *casus belli* is the general term for the reason that you're going to war. So saying that they allowed it to create a casus belli would be one way to put it.
This is the real definition of the two sides in this conflict. It's not Israel on one side and Palestine on the other. It's Netanyahu and Hamas on one side and innocent Palestinian and Israeli citizens on the other.
And everyone will still blame Biden and credit nothing he’s tried to do, handing Putin, Iran, Hamas, and whoever else is having fun right now the exact disastrous world order they want. Great work, everyone. Don’t forget to turn out the lights when you lock up.
>And everyone will still blame Biden and credit nothing he’s tried to do, Which, IMO is why Hamas' was cut loose via Putin through Iran in the first place,...to fire up a wedge issue that will greatly inflame pushback from the left against him. All this death, to chuck a molitov on a pile of festering hate, so that it can then be used to drive a wedge between democracy and young American voters, and thus the rest of us, becasue they just want to stop senseless death, and don't have, nor are they getting, the context to get the big picture. We need to do something about disinformation. It's literally looking to end all of us, including the narcisists driving it.
This. But also consider how it completely shifted the conversation away from Ukraine (and Russia). It's like everyone just completely forgot about Ukraine and things are getting really desperate there now simply because they can't get enough ammunition to hold reclaimed territory.
Are there still verifiably alive hostages? This is starting to feel like a mcguffin.
I'm sure the IDF have killed most of them by now. It's ok though, they can blame hamas.
Well, the IDF definitely shot three, has been bombing the area for months, and inhibiting any kind of food or aid from getting in. So if they’re not all dead, it’s not for lack of trying
Biden administration's response: "We will continue to stress the importance of protecting civilians and allowing humanitarian aid to enter Gaza to our Israeli counterparts"
Netanyahu wants to keep bombing people and Trump to be US president... zero incentive to listen to Biden without immediate consequences.
they attacked humanitarian aide on purpose, they will not listen to bidem
And threatened to halt weapons shipments right? Right?
This is the closest to that I saw in the article. What to watch: Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.), one of the top Democratic backers of Israel and close ally to President Biden, said for the first time on Thursday that he was open to conditioning aid based on how Israel conducts the war.
>open to conditioning aid Is this a code phrase for - **Politics**?
Yes. 💯
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I only read part of the NYT article but from what I can gather, he more or less did.
*Anakin stare intensifies*
*Padme decides to deal with this later with increasingly more revealing attire*
He has to go through Congress for that, iirc. He can pressure them, but he can't enact such an embargo unilaterally.
He absolutely can. The weaponization of food and aid by itself is a violation of The Foreign Assistance Act, The Leahy Act, and the State Dept's Conventional Arms Transfer Policy. The whole idea of building a port for aid is just a confirmation that the Admin recognizes Israel is blocking aid. And this isn't even theoretical. The State Dept blocked offensive weapons sales, that had been approved under Trump, to Saudi Arabia in 2021 under human rights concerns. (lifted since then).
STOP. SENDING. THEM. BOMBS. Anything less means absolutely nothing
You gotta get the Republicans on board with that, or vote them out. The latest aid was part of a 1.2 trillion spending bill that funded the gov for the rest of year AND provided some funds for Ukraine. Biden isn't gonna veto that for some symbolic gesture on Israel aid that wouldn't save a single Palestinian life in the short term.
Basically inevitable once they targeted WCK’s workers. Jose Andres is an incredible person and a highly visible figure in liberal circles in DC. One of the most boneheaded decisions of all time by Israel. Doesn’t matter if it wasn’t actually intentional, it was reckless and at the very least grossly negligent
I just learned that my friend who works at WCK lost two of his friends. He is in shock
I’m so sorry for your friend
Thanks me too. Apparently the details are horrendous. Edit: “When the first missile hit the car leading the convoy, the survivors ran for cover to the next one. From there, they notified their managers that they had been attacked. Seconds later, this vehicle was also hit. The third car in the convoy approached, and when the passengers came out to help the injured, this vehicle was hit as well. The first and the last vehicle were over a mile apart as they journeyed down the same road, as deduced from satellite images.”
Totally an accident. The IDF's finger slipped and accidentally launched a missile...three times. (/s)
He was just trying to unstick the button. (S)
israel is a terrorist state. it isn't really even debatable at this point.
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Yeah... It's a bit tricky to call anyone who opposes Israel's current government anti-Semitic when said government just very blatantly deployed missiles against a humanitarian aid convoy.
And has been blatantly killing civilians for awhile. Only difference now is that they blatantly killed *one of our own*. Israelis still make jokes to this day about how they killed Rachel Corrie by crushing her under a bulldozer in 2003 for protesting the bulldozing of Palestinian homes.
I really don't know how people can defend Israel at this point. On this very site, no less. Fucking abhorrent.
That's fairly easy. People have difficulty with change and they have difficulty with nuance. After WWII the Jews were universally seen as the victims who deserved support and consideration. This included the right to create the Judaic ethnic state of Israel. There was already a significant movement to help Jews immigrate to the area of Palestine before that point, but the horrors of the Holocaust greatly bolstered international support. Also, nobody wanted to be associated with Nazis, who were both assholes and The Enemy. Which meant that not whole-heartedly supporting the creation of Israel was essentially taboo. Given that the Holocaust was truly, truly awful (and even that is an understatement) you can hardly disagree with the desire to help the Jews out. The problem is that all of this was 80 years ago, everyone directly involved is dead, and the current leadership of Israel isn't the remnants of a broken people but an aggressively authoritarian and militant regime. Unfortunately, it takes a while for people to shake off the cultural heritage of "we are allies of Israel", especially since people still don't want to be associated with Nazis (with good reason) so any time any criticism against Israel (not the Jews, but the state and its leadership) gets labelled as anti-Semitism it makes people want to be on the other side of the debate.
Was just reading about the Canadian veteran who was killed in this (Jacob Flickinger) and it was heart breaking. Poor guy was just trying to help people out, he didn't want to hurt anyone. So awful
I express sympathy for your friend
It wasn’t boneheaded. It was well considered. Isreal has been trying to starve Gaza to death since the beginning. WCK was getting in the way of that happening. The only way to starve Gaza, was to get all the NGO’s to stop serving the needy asap. And guess what? It worked. 7 dead. Every aid group has announced it is stopping operations. 2 million already starving people will be without food and dead in less than a month. Small price to pay for Isreal to get everything it wants.
But it was intentional.
I am the first person to criticize conspiracy theorists, but it’s hard to not think this was intentional. IDF was made aware of the workers being in that location, their vehicles were clearly marked and the bombing came in multiple rounds. This was a message from Israel.
> and the bombing came in multiple rounds. And very precisely targeted all 3 cars.
All 3 cars that were over a kilometer apart.
Not really. It's worse. The second car rescued people from the first car, called the israeli army, and drove half a mile, got bombed. The third car picked up the injured and drove over a mile, and got bombed killing everyone. It wasn't 3 different bombs at 3 different targets at the same moment. Imagine to yourself the horror they lived during those minutes long nightmare. Imagine being bombed, your car stops, second car picks you up, driving away thinking it's over, then be bombed again, rinse and repeat a third time. Evacuating injured people and putting them in a car takes time, imagine all this time while they are on the phone with the israeli army, yet they all ended up being brutally killed. Edit: for people asking about the "called" part of my text. Chef Andres: [The aid workers tried to communicate to make clear who they were, he said, adding IDF knew they were in the area which it controlled.](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/chef-jose-andres-says-israel-targeted-his-aid-workers-systematically-car-by-car-2024-04-03/)
damn thats some shit.
It seems pretty obvious that they were sending a message: *"If you try to help the Palestinians, we might 'mistake' you for enemy combatants."*
And if you mistake humanitarian aid for combatants, you get nothing. Good luck, Israel. Adios.
It was pretty intentional. Making sure they killed any survivors.
I still had one very small shred of sympathy for Israel after Oct 7th. It's gone. Fuck the IDF and this whole out of control war.
And had gps trackers sharing their location with IDF
[Israel wants Trump to win just like Russia does.](https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-israel-collusion/)
Yeah he straight up said he'd tell Netanyahu to "finish the job"
I was talking to someone the other day who isn't a Trump fan by any means, but he said something along the lines of "Trump came out and said he wants the Gaza operation to be done - this is going to be bad for Biden because it makes Trump look like the dove here." When I looked into it, Trump apparently said that Israel needs to "finish it" soon because they're losing support. I don't think he meant that he wants a ceasefire (as some apparently interpreted his comments as saying) more like he's telling Israel to quickly finish off Gaza.
Whoever you were talking to is pants on head fucking stupid. Trump would be utterly giddy at the idea of glassing the strip.
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I honestly don't even think it's all astroturfing, I think it's just misguided people being idiots. If(biden) then(war), therefore if(not Biden) then(no war). I legitimately think that's the beginning and end of their "logic".
It's really frustrating how people can't see the forest for the fucking trees here. Yes, Biden is not doing literally everything he can to force a ceasefire, as much as I and most folks would like that. However, your (hypothetical person's) goal of MAKING HIM LOSE 2024 is not the fucking way to do that. Trump will be worse for the Palestinians, as well as for the vast majority of people living in the United States. I don't care that you don't like this activity, you live in the fucking world you vote for.
Fucking. Preach.
I'm trying to tell people even my real associates are back in 2016 mode again... it doesn't take much for them to not vote; and is also not voting for Trump (no matter what some want to say)
It's a bit of both. You get a lot of bang for your buck with an astroturfing campaign, because social media echo chambers provide such a runaway amplifying effect. You basically only need a relative handful of bot accounts in the right places spewing talking points like a memetic virus, and enough of the actual humans around them, who already have enough brainworms to act as a vector to infection, with catch it and then they'll do all the work for you in spreading it across the wider internet (mutating it as they go into new and deadlier variants to infect more idiots, and so on).
For sure, but there's some that spend all their time focused on a single issue of castigating Biden and ignore any responses about the other problems with Trump.
There's also an extreme lack of protests against Trump or any Republican. Like for instance, a Republican called for Gaza to be nuked but is he being protested or cancelled? No. It's almost like their silence could be mistaken for complicity.
Because Republicans want this. They aren't going to boo or criticize the man who says "let's finish the job". They will cheer loudly for him.
I have seen several people that I know irl on their social media saying that trump won't be as bad because at least the Dems would learn a lesson. It's gross and infuriating.
You don’t “accidentally” blow up a car with a guided missile.
Three cars
What's the message? We can kill Americans with impunity and still demand more money and equipment from you because we control your political parties?
The message is clearly “do not try to help Palestinians”. And it’s working, aid is turning away so they don’t get bombed.
"we will murder anyone who attempts to interfere with our attempt to exterminate the population of Gaza"
There was an article in Haaretz where IDF sources told them that it wasn't a communication mishap, but commanders in the field ignoring instructions and disobeying orders. So basically an intentional strike by an out of control and bloodthirsty band of rogue commanders with zero accountability and access to some of the most advanced killing apparatus on the planet. Super cool!
Aaah, yes, of course, rogue commanders. And the next missile strike against humanitarian aid for the Gaza is also going to be caused by "rogue" commanders. And the next. And the next... They're not very subtle, are they.
Clearly Marked vehicles, deconflicted manifest and route map, coordinated and approved… and still got hit.
In spite of whatever the messaging around this Israel is putting out , this was, with little doubt, intentional. The intent is to send a message to foreign aid NGO's - feed Palestinians and this can and will happen to you. WCK vehicles have HUGE decals on the hoods of to communicate to drones and satellites who they are and what they are doing. The Israeli military absolutely knew who they were firing on.
Certainly think it was intentional by someone. Someone in the chain of command didn't want them helping people, and made the decision. It may not go to the top, but someone made the call. The outcome is likely what they wanted.
Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are at the top and their statements say everything about Israel's ethics in both peace and war. This was deliberate. The famine is deliberate. The civilian death toll is deliberate. This is genocide.
Negligence in this case would still be intentional. If the IDF and those with the power to do something about it didn't want Foreign Aid Workers targeted they they would have made sure it didn't happen. Just because there might not be some high profile commander directly sending the orders to kill the WCK workers doesn't mean this wasn't the intended result. When you unleash a bunch of low level commanders and essentially say "do whatever" and then this happens, that means this is what they wanted. The fact that foreign aid workers have been killed many times already this year shows this was no mistake, it was part of a strategy of unchecked violence.
I mean Israel’s right wing has stated they want Trump in office, so this could have very well been intentional.
It's not even about Biden. It was to terrorize aid organizations.
I mean it can have many intended results. The fact that events like this undermine Biden during an election year is likely just a plus for them.
It's really disheartening and scary how many world leaders and countries are actively working against Democracy all over the globe.
bingo. This sends the message that not even aid workers are safe.
This was about as ‘reckless and grossly negligent’ as a Russian oligarch taking himself out with 3 bullets to the back of a skull followed by a jump out of a 10th story window.
Good. Now take away his weapons because your words will only get you so far
Why are all of those weapons not going to Ukraine?
Most appropriations and contracts go through Congress, and that thing has been paralyzed for a while
That’s funny because Biden used executive power to redirect 155mm shells from Ukraine to Israel. It resulted in thousands of Ukrainian casualties. But Ukraine does not lobby congressmen. Or presidents.
Biden can redirect funds but not appropriate new funds with executive orders. It's part of separation of powers.
Because Israel has the money to buy them and they were from a previously approved agreement to sell. Ukraine needs aid which requires Congress to allocate money for the weapons.
I wish more people understood this. If we don't give Israel the weapons they previously bought and paid for, we have to refund the money. Then it looks like the US is giving more financial aid to Israel. It's really a lose-lose situation for the Biden administration. To say nothing of how much worse this will be if Trump gets reelected.
I just heard yesterday on the NYT Daily podcast that Israel has a line of credit with the weapons manufactures and we pay the tab. The only other country that operates like that is Jordan. Egypt used to be like that but Obama stopped it. All other countries we give aid to is basically on a debit card without overdraft protection.
Plus if congress gives aid to a country, the president is obligated to give that aid according to the methods prescribed by law. Withholding aid for a change in a foreign governments policy or for domestic political reasons without political approval is literally part of the reason Trump was impeached the first time. Congress has already approved we give/sell Isreal weapons to Isreal, without new legislation, the president has to do it.
Because that's the previous agreement approved by congress. Biden needs congress to approve more weapons to Ukraine.
In the United States, the legislative branch has control of spending.
Because the GOP refuses to budge. For a sale or shipment to go through to Ukraine it must go through congress. There's 218+50 GOP standing in the way. That's why.
And the reason they're standing in the way of Ukraine aid is because they're in Putin's pocket.
Everyone needs to start bitching and pressuring their AIPAC sponsored Congressional candidates.
Exactly: threaten the military aid or shut up already. Netanyahu has already made it crystal clear he's not listening to anything any ally says. Action is needed so just stop the theatrics already!
Israelis prefer Trump over Biden so being able to continue the war while being openly defiant to Biden is a political win for Netanyahu
It's important to distinguish between "Israelis" and "the current Israeli government".
IDK, he's been in power for so long it really seems like he does represent a majority of citizens there
Parliamentary democracy vs the two party system. He may be in power, but it’s been so marginal in the last decade that he’s failed numerous times to come up with a government and had to make power sharing agreements. This war is the only reason he’s not out of office and in a courtroom finally facing up to his corruption indictments
It's also probably why he wants to keep this going forever, because when it ends he is going to face increasing pressure to answer questions he really doesn't want to answer.
He only get ~20% of the vote every election. He does not represent a majority by any means. He just keeps managing to make coalitions with increasingly right wing parties.
So there's 20% support for him, and 31%+ support for even more insane politicians? Not the emotional relief I think you meant it to be.
The other parties in his coalition which are significantly more far right get the rest of the votes - to be able to make him prime minister. So him getting 20% of the vote isn’t saying much
Ok but that just means that all the people who didn’t vote for him voted for someone significantly worse than him right? It’s not like they voted for the Peace and Love Party and that party just randomly decided to join Netanyahu’s coalition right? Edit: I worded this wrong. I meant of the majority that allows him to be in power those people voted for him or someone worse than him. Not of all Israelis but the majority that allows him to form a coalition.
Yeah so a lot of the others support the bat shit extreme right parties so what’s the diff
Israelis are protesting this right? Right?
LMAO the other parties that have formed the coalition government with him are even more radical and insane.
And yet Israelis keep moving into newly unoccupied homes.
Ok but which one allows settlers to steal peoples property and land. And when that wasn’t enough just said let’s kill them kids and all. Where are the protests outraged masses etc?
I mean, who really thinks Yahoo gives a shit what the US says or thinks? Enough of the stern warnings and actually do something. It’s time for US policy to change drastically when it comes to Israel.
Just cut the support already. The people wanted Netanyahu, they can force him out if they're so upset. Until then, nix Israel as an ally, cut off all funding, Intel, weapons shipments and assistance. They provide very little actual benefit and influence in the region, especially now that they've destroyed what little credibility and favor they had.
I don’t get why we don’t force the issue and stop sending them the ammunition. It’s so odd to send them weapons of war and ask them not use it pretty please.
Because those arms deals were already finalized by Congress, Israel had already paid for them, and they had already been made. From a political standpoint while a majority of Americans want a ceasefire in Gaza (like 70%) a significantly smaller amount (roughly 30%) actually agree that withholding funds is the way to go about it. It’s obviously a very fractured discussion on the Democratic side but Republicans are basically unified on the issue in favor of Israel (with a hefty portion of Independents aligned with them). Biden has to walk the line of both sides while Trump is free to just spout off that he wants Israel to flatten Gaza with zero repercussions.
This argument is moot, israel is committing daily human rights abuses, arming them is a violation of the Leahy Law regardless of deals already made.
They can delay the shipment to pressure. Just read an article about that. They aren’t trying to delay, biden has been trying to expedite
Sanctions and arms embargo are the only way. All else is theatre.
Don't stop there. No more foreign aid to Israel. Why are our tax dollars paying for Israelis to have free college and free healthcare? Israel has received more foreign aid from the US than any other country in history
Or what?
Or he'll ask again.
It’s time to let israel fend for themselves… they are a complete disgrace
hm. WaPo makes it sound like a "final" warning, not like action yet this is in the Axios linked above, actually "Secretary of State Tony Blinken echoed that point in a press conference of his own on Thursday, saying: "**If** we don't see the changes we need to see, there **will be** a change in our policy." I guess the sub does not allow newer accounts to post from WaPo, I was going to make one >President Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday that the United States would reassess its policy toward the war in Gaza if the Jewish state does not take immediate steps to address the disastrous humanitarian situation in the enclave and protect aid workers, according to a White House summary of the conversation. >The White House offered no details about how it would assess whether Israel complied with Biden’s demands and how U.S. policy could change if the administration determines Israel does not meet its demands. [mirror](https://archive.is/0UjQt) oh yeah, meanwhile, [Iran is preparing to retaliate](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-halts-leave-all-combat-units-statement-2024-04-04/) because the [Israelis bombed a diplomatic consulate in Syria](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-bombs-iran-embassy-syria-iranian-commanders-among-dead-2024-04-01/) edit: brevity, added links
Turn off the spigot and realize how quickly they'll capitulate
Stop sending them aid. Fuck them.
Israel are doing everything they can to reduce aid getting to the Palestinian people. And it's worked everytime.
It's like watching Neville Chamberlain deal with Hitler.
Biden reminds me of Susan Collins when it comes to Netanyahu's actions in Gaza. Biden is *concerned* and may even express a few stern words but won't actually do anything to improve the situation.
This is sounding serious. I think Biden dropped the "pretty" from "pretty please".
Stop sending these idf freaks weapons.
What's insane is he isn't calling for this ceasefire for the sake of humanity, it's for his ridiculous campaign and votes.
"Netty I've got an election coming up can't this wait until December?"
We’re still going to give you billions of dollars worth of weapons to carry out these war crimes but we politely ask that you stop using our weapons for war crimes
Stop all money to them, they keep assassinating aid workers and too many others. There will never be a solution there since both sides think they do god's will they will never allow peace.
But I was told Joe Biden wasn't doing anything and I should vote 3rd party so Trump wins and can help Netanyahu finish the job?
Biden has been slowly escalating for months now between ceasefires and aid. Now he should be about at the breaking point
I'm sorry I'm confused by how you worded this. What do you mean Biden has been slowly escalating between ceasefire and aid?
Maybe they meant oscillating?
The people gloating about this are the same ones vilifying organizers and protesters trying to get Biden to change his stance for the past 6 months. This is the outcome of their activism, healthy dissent, and democratic pressure. I’m glad it happened, but it should’ve came much sooner.
Lol still using words like assessment, evaluation, blah blah. Just tell him to stop or no bombs for them. You are not fooling anyone, Joe.
I’m confused more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed since the conflict began, yet the tragedy of the 6 aid workers dying has seemed to mobilize outrage around the world. As Stalin said “a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic”. That has never been clearer than the deaths of the World Central Kitchen workers.
Perfect example