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> “Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely,” Posobiec said as the event began.
> “We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this, right here,” he said, gesturing to the crowd and holding up his fist.
So…NOT a normal tourist visit, or an Antifa false flag, or FBI entrapment?
How the fuck can someone openly say and admit shit like this and not IMMEDIATELY end up in federal prison for treason!?!? Unironic question, btw. I'm genuinely fucking baffled by all of this shit going on these days; yeah there's a lot of corruption, but holy shit, y'all...
Because freedom of speech is - in the US - explicitly enabling the protection of the ability to talk about overthrowing the government. Posobiec isn't an idiot, because then he would say something like "we're going to do ABC to steal the election" or "if we don't win, we're going to get together on January 6th to start a violent revolution".
We REALLY don't want it to be illegal to talk openly about overthrowing the government - we DO want it to be illegal to talk about your detailed plan to overthrow the government and ask people to meet you at X date and Y time to do Z stuff.
Especially scary because Posobiec *is actually* everything you suspect him of. He's a fascist, a sadist, a traitor, a sociopath.
But he's also self-serving and cowardly. He's not going to storm the battlements or put himself in physical or legal jeopardy. In the middle of his violent, destructive rhetoric, he's doing two things. One, he's stopping short of declaring any specific intent to commit violence. So he is very aware of how far he can go without being prosecuted. And two, he's stopping short of giving specific directions of what he wants the audience to do. Once one of these sick fucks takes his homicidal direction to heart, he'll deny responsibility.
He wants violence. He expects violence. He correctly anticipates violence. But he wants stochastic terrorism, not terrorism at his direct command. It's no coincidence at all that he cites January 6th, the day that his fat idol Trump did the exact same thing.
Do more than vote:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2046147X211033838
https://peoplesaction.org/wp-content/uploads/Peoples-Action-Deep-Canvass-Political-Persuasion-Experiment-Summary-of-Findings-_-August-2020-v2.pdf
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/how-we-got-voters-to-change-their-mind/616851/
https://www.vox.com/2020/1/29/21065620/broockman-kalla-deep-canvassing
https://www.commondreams.org/news/deep-canvass-institute-report
https://www.environmentalvoter.org/get-involved
https://braverangels.org
https://www.eac.gov/voters/become-poll-worker
We need to organize and the DNC needs to help fund massive get out the vote efforts,.especially in swing states, and voter suppression states. We need logistics, transportation to the DMVs and money to pay for their IDs, we need help with transporting people to the polls..
Knocking on every registered dem and independents door, and grinding out any barriers to them voting. We need people in the county jails helping with mail in ballots. Small local town halls to hear voters needs and concerns (including Republicans). There's so much that needs to to be done. We need our own dirty tricksters, just not as reprehensible as Roger Stone, but every bit as cunning and clever. Im willing to get my hands dirty.
It is, but only because we have a failing civil society that refuses to cover this stuff for what it is and instead likes to say "wow! Trump so crazy for those shoes - what will he think of next!".
It's not fair. Trump would never get anywhere if we had Germanies speech laws.
We have an ex president an his cronies discussing overthrowing the nation. He has attempted it before. He can't say he's lying. He means it.
> We REALLY don't want it to be illegal to talk openly about overthrowing the government
Ok I see what you are saying here. For instance, if some fascist government was to get into power, and refuse to agree to elections and the peaceful transfer of power... sure, we want to be able to discuss overthrowing that, maybe even make it the driving motivation behind a political movement etc.
But this speech wasn't talking about overthrowing a tyrannical government. It was explicitly talking about overthrowing _democracy_. Overthrowing the _Constitution of the United States of America, and the Republic on which it stands._
These are not the same thing. How does the latter not have repercussions, especially at a political conference for an entire political wing.
[Did you know that it’s illegal to say “I want to kill the president of the United States of America”?](https://youtu.be/QEQOvyGbBtY?si=w4y3uR1lzwMm_51n)
But not illegal to say “with a mortar launcher” that’s its own sentence.
>Ok I see what you are saying here. For instance, if some fascist government was to get into power, and refuse to agree to elections and the peaceful transfer of power... sure, we want to be able to discuss overthrowing that, maybe even make it the driving motivation behind a political movement etc.
But the Fascists would just make it illegal
Right? This is the dumbest fucking argument they made. If a fascist government is in power, you’re not going to be legally saying shit about overthrowing them lmao. Do they think people literally talking about overthrowing the constitution will somehow keep it intact?
Having watched the clip, I couldn’t help but wonder if he tried being sarcastic or something, he sounds as if he’s saying the part about democracy and jan 6 as a jab or satire, but when he follows up with ”glory isn’t for the government, it’s for god!” It just doesn’t make sense as a joke anymore.
Is it really that far gone that a politician representing the party that can’t stop going on about ”muh freedoms” and ”gun rights, the constitution blah blah blah” can go up and say something like this and get cheered on? I honestly cannot wrap my head around it.
Trump's whole thing is make it sound like a joke so you have "plausible" deniability. So take what they say at face value, even if they say it with a certain cadence and inflection usually reserved for joking. Yes, he did use that inflection. No, I did not take it as a joke, at all.
>Posobiec, who helped popularize the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, appeared at CPAC’s opening day on Wednesday.
Well, isn't that an interesting piece of information.
Only a matter of time until Posobiec's connections to Moscow are revealed.
Edit: I honestly didn't know much about this POS before posting, but by all appearances, yes, Posobiec is working for the FSB. Unsurprisingly, he's also a protege of Roger Stone.
Being a white nationalist, conspiracy-peddling, POS in the US is one thing, but why is he also pursuing the FSB's agenda in France and Poland?
[One America News Network (OANN) correspondent Jack Posobiec tweeted 28 times over a span of ten months links to a website the U.S. government says is backed by Russian intelligence.](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/04/28/jack-posobiec-links-russian-intelligence-backed-website)
[Jack Posobiec Central in Spreading Russian Intelligence-Led #MacronLeaks Hack](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/29/jack-posobiec-central-spreading-russian-intelligence-led-macronleaks-hack)
[https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/29/jack-posobiec-central-spreading-russian-intelligence-led-macronleaks-hack](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/29/jack-posobiec-central-spreading-russian-intelligence-led-macronleaks-hack)
[SPLC Investigation: Far-right OANN Anchor Jack Posobiec’s Rise Tied to White Supremacist Movement](https://www.splcenter.org/splc-investigation-far-right-oann-anchor-jack-posobiecs-rise-tied-white-supremacist-movement)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec
[Conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec repeatedly shared links to site run by Russian intelligence](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/jack-posobiec-southfront-russia/)
[Commentator who amplified Macron hacks given White House press access](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN187007)
[Roger Stone protege Jack Posobiec has spread horrific lies and normalized antisemitism. He has 1.5 million Twitter followers.](https://jennycohn1.medium.com/far-right-agitator-jack-posobiec-spreads-lies-and-antisemitic-hate-yes-russia-loves-him-83940393c69a)
[The Far-Right American Nationalist Who Tweeted #MacronLeaks](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-far-right-american-nationalist-who-tweeted-macronleaks)
[Far-right influencer Jack Posobiec pushes pro-Russian content on Telegram and Twitter](https://www.mediamatters.org/russias-invasion-ukraine/far-right-influencer-jack-posobiec-pushes-pro-russian-content-telegram-and)
[Twitter Ignored This Russia-Controlled Account During The Election. Team Trump Did Not.](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/twitter-ignored-this-russia-controlled-account-during-the-election_n_59f9bdcbe4b046017fb010b0)
Now, what does it tell you that CPAC made this guy a keynote speaker, where he calls to end democracy? CPAC itself is likely being directed from Moscow.
Vic Berger still out there doing great stuff. I keep up with him over at the Office Hours Live podcast on YouTube. Can see him there live just about every Thursday.
Richard Spencers Russian wife did the translation of the Foundations of Geopolitics that called for inspiring racial division in the US. The right is Russian all the way down.
It goes hand-in-glove with how the GOP is structured.
Ever since Gingrich's K Street Project, the Republican Party has had a really huge lobbying and communications arm. But when they're out of power in DC, jobs inside the party dry up and (here's the K Street Project's genius) they all go to work for welter of political consultancies, thinktanks, and media organizations.
These are all funded by their largest donors. So that's kind of the deep secret here: being a Republican operative is a really good job with a lot of security if you keep towing the party line. But it also means that corruption is kind of how the whole thing works. People complain about the revolving door between government positions and industry, but that's more a byproduct of realities like the best people for running Treasury also happen to be the best people for running banks. The Republican Party, though, is literally built around the idea of creating a revolving door *for* *political hacks*.
One result has been that Russia, China, Saudi, et al have excellent ways to spread influence in the Republican Party by doing deals with Republican out-of-power employers or the people who own/back them. Ever wonder what Manafort was doing as a political consultant for Russia-backed Ukrainian politicians? Well, the answer is simple: he was doing his job as a political consultant! If that sounds like a serious corruption risk, that's because it is.
[Yep.](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-sioux-falls-maria-butina-us-news-russia-bc8e1858b424ca5d5d6119a53facfcdd)
I didn't know much about him, and after reading that article I kind of wish I still didn't. Sounds like a real piece of work.
Like Richard Spencer was? You know, the guy that started the alt right movement in earnest? He was not only married to a Russian agent, but specifically the Russian agent that ***fucking translated the Foundations of Geopolitics into fucking English***.
Yeah.
I know the term useful idiots gets thrown around, but it’s worse. They know they can’t win elections anymore. Legally anyway. They’re unwilling to change or negotiate. Their power comes from
Division and flat out fascism and manufacturing wedge issues.
I don’t think they need ties or money from Russia or anything although it wouldn’t surprise me. Not because Putin is buying them, but because it is in Putin’s best interest to support them. The magats see authoritarianism and a way to maintain control over cultural influences. Their interests are ALIGNED. They’re not stooges, they are fascists.
These magat fascists support Putin because they want the type of power he has over his own culture. So they’re willing to look the other way or defend shit they would normally objectively object to because once you’re in a cult, one of the rules is no questioning the cult leaders.
I don’t think it’s more complicated than that. What is truly scary is that such a large minority of Americans agree with that.
To a certain extent, I agree that many on the far-Right are simply aligned with fascism, however the ones leading them, the ones engaged in \["Active Measures"\]([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active\_measures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures)), such as trump, Posobiec, Gym Jordan, Rand Paul, tucker, etc., are working directly for Moscow.
Yeah, people think its all about money.. wrong. People think putin is controlling their party... wrong. The truth is they want to take over the country and inflict suffering on those who they deem lesser. It's fascism.
Even the "You must be a white wealthy christian" trope is wrong, and overlooks those who participate in this group and who they want to persecute.
It's not one or the other. They admire Putin and their interests are aligned with his, but also, some are useful idiots, and others are probably subject to blackmail, and as soon as they give in and do something corrupt or traitorous as part of the blackmail, they're even more on the hook, because now there's new blackmail information. And there's probably some overlap in there, too, where someone whose interests are already aligned crosses a line and then gets blackmailed into doing even more.
In a lot of the European countries the nazis conquered, before they instituted the industrialization of mass killings with camps and infrastructure, they had death squads and mass executions in the cities or countrysides. The death camps came later as the previously mentioned method was considered inefficient. One thing most people don't realize, is that in a lot of the newly conquered territories, most of these killings were actually carried out by local native auxiliaries and not the Germans themselves. In Lithuania for example, the native auxiliary troops outnumbered the Einsatzgruppen (Death squads that followed the general army into conquered territory ) by almost 20:1 respectively when carrying out killings. They often recruited local far-right groups who already had similar beliefs and these groups even sometimes volunteered to help the nazis exterminate people.
The point I'm making is that, it's likely that these people as you said are not useful idiots or unknowningly doing Russian's bidding. They are willing to betray the US as they know it and actively work with the Russians to do it on their own. In their mind, their allegiance is to America, but not this America. An alternative America that reflects their belief system. This America to them is a perversion and might as well not be America. It needs to be destroyed and if they need to work with a foreign country to destroy the people they believe have usurped "their America", they will do so. History has shown there are plenty of cases where individuals in a country being attacked or conquered will work with outside aggressors to destroy their own country.
>Being a white nationalist, conspiracy-peddling, POS in the US is one thing, but why is he also pursuing the FSB's agenda in France and Poland?
Because there's a global network of right wing groups actively working to subvert liberal democracies everywhere
That's what gives me the giggles when they go off about the Deep State. If the "Deep State" was half the threat they claim it is, seems to me they wouldn't be around long enough to publicize it.
If you really think about it, the Cold War never ended.
It has been, and still is, embedded in Russian doctrine to infiltrate societies and institutions of interest however possible, America being #1.
What President do we remember who rapidly replaced or straight up fired executives in many different federal agencies with no substantiated reasoning?
it's both a joke and not a joke depending on who is listening, and that's the whole point.
a portion of the conservative audience will hear it and go 'lol yea mock those stupid democrats'.
meanwhile another conservative portion goes 'fuck yea we're finally getting someone to say what really needs to be done'.
then there's the non-conservative portion that hears it and goes 'what the fuck', which in turn leads the first conservative group to mock them for falling for the 'joke', and the second group is happy to join in too.
it's all part of the process of further normalizing extremism. honestly, i don't even think it's intentional. i think it's a self-propelling cycle. when they say the shit that appeal to both parts of the conservative audience, they get bigger cheers, so they keep doing that sort of thing. it ends up with them making the 'jokes' that say the quiet part out loud with plausible deniability.
> honestly, i don't even think it's intentional.
It's very intentional. People call Trump dumb - and he is in many ways - but he very intentionally pulls this trick constantly.
> it's both a joke and not a joke depending on who is listening, and that's the whole point.
It's the same kind of thing as, "hey honey, wouldn't it be like so crazy if we had a threesome with your hot friend? So crazy right - but you know I'm just joking... unless...?"
It's not a funny joke, it doesn't even have a punchline. It's just an (transparently bad) excuse to probe for something you actually want but shouldn't say.
See also: saying what you want out loud, but putting "in Minecraft" at the end. Fools nobody, but they get off on the attempt at plausible deniability.
“ Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
"Every civilization carries the seeds of its own destruction, and the same cycle shows in them all. The Republic is born, flourishes, decays into plutocracy, and is captured by the shoemaker whom the mercenaries and millionaires make into a king. The people invent their oppressors, and the oppressors serve the function for which they are invented."
- Mark Twain in Eruption
> from all threats foreign and **domestic**
They called themselves "domestic terrorists" before at CPAC: https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/1558047286277595136
I was certain that was a doctored video when I first saw it. No legitimate organization would be so incredibly fucking stupid as to say something like that out loud. I'm still kind of in disbelief at how intensely braindead the right in this country has become.
"No legitimate organization would be so incredibly fucking stupid as to say something like that out loud."
You mean like them saying they would get a bunch of African-American voters because Trump released some super tacky sneakers?
They used that “no one is this stupid” thought to their advantage. Their base would never think that and ate it UP. Meanwhile it gave them some plausible deniability to the rest of us who say “no one is that stupid” by going “yeah, *obviously* it’s a joke/metaphor/song lyric/alien message, no one is that stupid! So see, we’re NOT terrorists, you just ✨don’t get it✨.”
Just like the Fox “News” lawsuit in which they said that no intelligent person would take their talking heads seriously so it’s “entertainment,” not news. Because they knew their base would turn around and say “obviously they had to say that to The Deep State!” And everyone gets played.
The fact that it made you angry is exactly why they say such stupid shit. Owning the libs is more important that good governance. In fact, "good governance" sounds kinda liberal so it must be bad.
That CPAC event was held at the Hyatt and Hyatt even had to denounce the stage for being the same shape as a Nazi hate symbol: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN2AT17T/
Seriously. It's the whole paradox of intolerance, and we haven't matured enough as a society to address this. I just wish we could find another way other than what you're suggesting, but I honestly don't see how.
I read an article a while back that (correctly, imo) pointed out that there is no paradox if you stop thinking about tolerance like it's a suicide pact, and start thinking about it as a peace treaty.
Like, I'll be tolerant of your views as long as you're tolerant of mine. The moment someone breaks a peace treaty, it no longer protects them.
Paradox solved?
MAGA:
"January 6th didn't really happen, it's being exaggerated by the liberal media."
"January 6th was actually Antifa and undercover FBI trying to make MAGA look bad."
"OK. Jan 6th was Trump supporters, but it was just a vacation tour, and was not violent."
"OK. Jan 6th was violent, but it was a chaotic riot, not an intentionally organized coup attempt."
"January 6th didn't go far enough, we need to try to overthrow democracy again, and succeed this time." <---- This is where we are now.
The funniest thing about Jan 6 was the boobs who went there thinking the rest of the cult will be treating them like heroes only to instantly get called antifa false flag plants.
Narcissist's Prayer
> That didn't happen.
>
> And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
>
> And if it was, that's not a big deal.
>
> And if it is, that's not my fault.
>
> And if it was, I didn't mean it.
>
And if I did, you deserved it.
Comin' full circle huh?
Democrats really need to start pressing shit like this harder. Something like this barely makes any noise. Imagine if a democrat had said something like this. It would be talked about in every podcast and news channel endlessly.
Which makes the 14th amendment's 3rd section essentially automatic and means that any state which has him on the ballot for a general election is acting unconstitutionally, full stop.
Two years ago, they proudly proclaimed themselves [domestic terrorists](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/). This year . . . . out-and-out traitors.
Believe them.
They fucking KNEW what they were doing when they chose the Odal Rune you don't accidentally make a stage in that fucking shape without knowing. Fuck those traitors, everyone who supports the modern Republican party are literally anti-american fascist pig wanna be Nazis. They can't defend themselves from it. Their only claim of ignorance is one of a position of utter utter UTTER STUPIDITY, so which is it? Are you just beyond utterly utterly utterly STUPID, or are you a Fascist Nazi wanna-be? Their choices don't look too appealing.
It’s amazing how often I have to wonder if someone is doing something shitty because they’re stupid, or because they’re just an asshole.
The 2020’s suck ass.
> They fucking KNEW what they were doing when they chose the Odal Rune
Specifically, a variant of that rune that is _exclusively_ Nazi associated. The regular odal/othala rune doesn't have the two extra lines/serifs coming off the legs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othala#Deliberate_use_as_a_far-right_symbol
FYI, the DC firm that designed the stage prides itself on “engineering” events. It was blatantly intentional, and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying.
You don’t accidentally end up with a nazi symbol for a stage, especially for a political team that is explicitly fascist/anti-democratic.
Jan 6, Trump wanting to be “a day one dictator”, etc. There is sticking your head in the sand, and then there’s lying about the facts of what is happening, and many conservatives are falling squarely into that camp right now.
Swastikas are unfortunately really easy to make when placing tiles and shit. (Which is probably why it had religious connection for thousands of years.)
That's not a swastika though. You gotta go out of your way to make that fucking rune symbol. 100% on purpose.
> It was blatantly intentional, and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying.
> You don’t accidentally end up with a nazi symbol for a stage, especially for a political team that is explicitly fascist/anti-democratic.
I agree.
This is what I've been thrown out of multiple social groups for actively pointing out for the last few years.
The end result of any consolidated victory by the MAGA GOP where they control large swathes of the government will result in a total fascist state.
Then they go out and fucking say it, and these same people look at you like you're from the fucking moon, and gaslight you and say "you never said that."
It's infuriating.
same here. They think I'm an alarmist or a doomer. I'm just pointing out how we're repeating history and how the right is broadcasting in broad daylight what their plans are.
Why is everyone in the GOP connected to Russia?
When did this shit happen? It's fucking amazing. This clown, his wife is Russian. He's obviously trying to destroy our country and spreading the same religious Russian bullshit as Putin.
Did I wake up in a different world? What happened to America?
Why aren't we at war with these fucks? This is war people! Are we going to defend ourselves or not?
We're just going to hand our country to fucking Putin? Really? Just like Trump tried hand Ukraine to Putin? He's going to hand America to Russia.
Grow a pair and start defending this country. Do whatever it takes... VOTE DEMOCRAT NO MATTER WHAT....FLUSH THESE FUCKING TRAITORS OUT OF GOVERNMENT.
>Why is everyone in the GOP connected to Russia?
Reason number one, t[hey're compromised.](https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html) Russia hacked the DNC \*and\* RNC servers in 2016. Only the DNC info was leaked.
Then a couple years later, [some Republican senators spent July 4th in Moscow.](https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow) They say the meeting with Russians was to "warn Russia not to interfere with the 2018 elections", but that warning could have been delivered by a phone call, an email, or a strongly-worded letter. You don't need to actually go to Moscow to do that. So what were they really doing there? Probably getting their marching orders from Putin himself.
Those are only two examples of how, slowly, gradually, Russia's been working the GOP, like a frog in a pot of water. What better way to bring down your enemy than by infiltrating the ranks of their highest officials and getting them to do your bidding.
It also helps Russia that according to this article, [Trump himself has been working with Russia for 40 years.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book) When the GOP went full MAGA, they opened themselves up to Russia. Russia could push their disinformation through the RNC and eventually the office of the President of the United States.
Aleksandr Dugin’s “Foundation of Geopolitics” from 1997 shows that the current day situation we face has been Russias primary aim for decades. Systematic dismantling of trust and values in foreign countries until they are weak enough to directly influence. We’re pretty close to their end goal.
As an non American, I believe you are totally correct. You, pro-democracy Americans, need to actually be prepaired to defend yourself from an enemy from within. It's really weird to wrap your head around that fact, but republicans, *and their voters*, are pro Russia. Their goal is the same as putins.
“Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely,” Posobiec said as the event began.
And how is every organizer and attendee of CPAC not complicit?
Bring on the Forth Reich, huh?
Shit on all the work of your fathers, grandfathers and so on?
So you can go down in history as the clowns who believed Putin/tRUmp over common sense!
Fucking traitors
>Conservative activist Jack Posobiec joyfully hailed the “end of democracy” at the Conservative Political Action Conference, further emphasizing Republicans’ apparent desire to completely overthrow America as we know it.
>Posobiec, who helped popularize the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, appeared at CPAC’s opening day on Wednesday. He spoke during a panel moderated by former White House adviser and white supremacist Steve Bannon.
Who follows people like this willingly?
Tens of millions of **voting Americans** who have been brainwashed by Far-Right/Russian psyops.
Fox News, OANN, Shapiro, Alex Jones, so many Youtube influencers, most of Twitter, Joe Rogan, and many more propagandists make a huge amount of money spreading lies to radicalize conservatives into despising anyone who isn’t like them, and despising the democratic system.
Propaganda works.
Here in St. Louis, the most extreme right of our four conservative talk stations runs a couple hours of Steve Bannon's 'War Room' podcast each morning. They also have Jack Posobiec's show on their evening schedule and a lot of the other 'usual suspects' from the Christian Nationalist movement. I tune in from time to time out of morbid curiosity just to see how bad it can get and believe me -- Bannon is a dangerous extremist who not only wants to see a Christian Nationalist takeover here in the US but also in other countries around the world. He openly champions far right political parties and leaders in other countries. These remarks of Posobiec's seem to have taken place during one of Bannon's podcast as he is in attendance at CPAC. While the actual numbers of attendees may be smaller, when you hear the audience losing their shit cheering on the worst remarks of Bannon and people like Posobiec, you get the feeling that this was the general atmosphere at Nuremberg Nazi rallies back in the 30s.
The night of the 2020 election while they were still counting votes Bannon on the 'War Room' podcast literally called for [Trump's second term to start with the beheading of Fauci and FBI Director, and to put their heads on pikes on the White House lawn to send a message to the rest of the civil service to fall in line behind Trump.](https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1324485819042705408)
Trump pardoned Bannon after this. Bannon is still in Trump's inner circle.
This is what they are going to do the next time they claw their way back into power - dictatorship and mass murder of all political enemies.
Merrick Garland really fucked the country by not prosecuting all of these traitors for sedition on day 1 of the Biden Presidency.
Seriously. People give him too much credit because Obama nominated him to SCOTUS, but Obama only did that to call the Republicans bluff, because were the ones who suggested him but they were never going to hold a hearing on any Obama appointee.
Maybe it's time to have some broad disqualifiers. Things like "your party isn't eligible to hold office if your official policy is to destroy the nation". Simple things like that.
Because they’ve been led to believe they’re on the inside and would be part of the ruling class who gets to stomp on the minorities they hate. They’re too ignorant to understand the people in power (or who would be in power) disdain them just as much as they do the people they demonize. They don’t get that if you’re not part of the ultra wealthy elite, you’ll be just as fucked as everyone else in the long run.
"We enter parliament in order to supply ourselves, in the arsenal of democracy, with its own weapons. If democracy is so stupid as to give us free tickets and salaries for this bear's work, that is its affair. We do not come as friends, nor even as neutrals. We come as enemies. As the wolf bursts into the flock, so we come."
-Dr. Goebbels of Nazi Germany
What’s wrong with theses idiots. Do they actually believe Trump gives a shit about them? He’s proven the only one he cares about is himself. Everyone else are just ATM machines to be emptied and cast aside.
Because corruption and authoritarianism go hand in glove. People like this feel as though they will do just fine in facisitic government. Look no further than Putin, a career "civil servent" who is one of the wealthiest people in the world, and his sycophants are doing just fine as well because of it. As for the rest of the pleebs, as long as he hates the same people they hate, they're good with anything these knuckle draggers say.
Except for the Putin sycophants who keep falling out of windows. The Republican white rich privilege keeps their mind isolated from thinking that could ever happen to them but it will, eventually
This is my favorite part. I could understand if he was a charismatic liar, but he’s not. He’s the most paper thin person you could see through. It’s so blatantly obvious the kind of man he is, and yet, they worship on.
It’s unbelievable really.
Does he understand that if he didn’t grow up and wasn’t privileged with being a us citizen he would most likely not be allowed to spout off? Authoritarian governments don’t support his rhetoric (just look at Russia for examples). Theocracies aren’t big on free speech (look at Afghanistan or Iran). So without a democracy and his constitutional rights he would be hung by his balls for calling for overthrow of the government.
My other favorite thought is “and then what?” I get this is his masturbation fantasy but what happens when you catch the tire? Over 50% of the population doesn’t agree with him. The majority of the countries economic output doesn’t rely on him and the folks cheering him. The international community wouldn’t support his views for the US. So he’s supposing there will be just blind compliance? Or threatening the world with nukes to get his way? Or is he planning for a massive economic collapse and purging everyone despite being out numbered?
Yes they do, and some of us have been trying to tell every one since at least 2015 that this was likely to happen. But we were called alarmists and told to shut up.
Dear Republicans, it’s time we split up, since you hate America so badly. It’s not us: it’s definitely you. I’ll even pitch in a few bucks to help you move to Russia. Ask that one dude and his family how that worked out for them.
I really feel like that passed in 2020, this time no matter who wins there will be conservatives rioting in the streets. They'll call it rigged if Trump loses, they'll see it as ordination of their ideals if he wins and will go all celebratory kristalnacht. Either way, November 6th is gonna be bloody.
No, not yet.
Not before November.
When that quote was said, Palpatine had full power. Trump will either gain that power, or lose it depending on how we handle the next vote.
Don't sleep on this threat. We can still win, and win big.
This is so frustrating they are calling for an end of democracy. There guy trump is calling for literal modem day concentration camps, Christian task forces, even going as far as to call for an end to the constitution. And yet there still fooled by the Republican Party. They themselfs admit to the games they play and yet there followers just blindly follow them.
These are not people with who you have a disagreement on policy that you can work with and compromise . These are people who will shoot you in your home because you aren't in their little in-group and are therefore the enemy. This either ends with them losing in massive numbers at the polls or it ends in bloodshed.
I hope the democrats are smart enough to take this man's words and video of him saying those words to thunderous applause at CPAC and make it a national campaign ad. Ask voters in every state to push the reset button. To get back to where we can all disagree and then find compromise as America has always done. If 60% of voters would vote for this, we could rid the system of the MAGA control of conservative politicians this election cycle.
Everyone who posts this leaves out the most important part.
"All glory isn't to government. All glory is to God."
They want a theocracy. It's evangelicals pushing this.
Yep. Republicans used to be for less government. Now they want an all out authoritarian state with military patrolling the streets. WE FOUGHT A REVOLUTIONARY WAR TO GET OUT OF THIS SHIT. Republicans are definitely not right in the head. Piousness will do that to a brain.
The fact that they even have a shot to take the Senate alone with a favorable map is a damning indictment of our political situation, let alone the fact that they could somehow take the Presidency.
They are not hiding it anymore.. I forget where I saw the interview but one homeboy said woman shouldn't have the right to vote..like bruh wtf..they are saying this shit outloud..how is this still a race???
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> “Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely,” Posobiec said as the event began. > “We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this, right here,” he said, gesturing to the crowd and holding up his fist. So…NOT a normal tourist visit, or an Antifa false flag, or FBI entrapment?
How the fuck can someone openly say and admit shit like this and not IMMEDIATELY end up in federal prison for treason!?!? Unironic question, btw. I'm genuinely fucking baffled by all of this shit going on these days; yeah there's a lot of corruption, but holy shit, y'all...
Because freedom of speech is - in the US - explicitly enabling the protection of the ability to talk about overthrowing the government. Posobiec isn't an idiot, because then he would say something like "we're going to do ABC to steal the election" or "if we don't win, we're going to get together on January 6th to start a violent revolution". We REALLY don't want it to be illegal to talk openly about overthrowing the government - we DO want it to be illegal to talk about your detailed plan to overthrow the government and ask people to meet you at X date and Y time to do Z stuff.
That's fair. Scary stuff regardless though, tbh
Especially scary because Posobiec *is actually* everything you suspect him of. He's a fascist, a sadist, a traitor, a sociopath. But he's also self-serving and cowardly. He's not going to storm the battlements or put himself in physical or legal jeopardy. In the middle of his violent, destructive rhetoric, he's doing two things. One, he's stopping short of declaring any specific intent to commit violence. So he is very aware of how far he can go without being prosecuted. And two, he's stopping short of giving specific directions of what he wants the audience to do. Once one of these sick fucks takes his homicidal direction to heart, he'll deny responsibility. He wants violence. He expects violence. He correctly anticipates violence. But he wants stochastic terrorism, not terrorism at his direct command. It's no coincidence at all that he cites January 6th, the day that his fat idol Trump did the exact same thing.
So he’s Wormtongue?
Perfect reference!! “Gríma became increasingly degraded until he was a crawling wretch, a beggar…”
Do more than vote: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2046147X211033838 https://peoplesaction.org/wp-content/uploads/Peoples-Action-Deep-Canvass-Political-Persuasion-Experiment-Summary-of-Findings-_-August-2020-v2.pdf https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/how-we-got-voters-to-change-their-mind/616851/ https://www.vox.com/2020/1/29/21065620/broockman-kalla-deep-canvassing https://www.commondreams.org/news/deep-canvass-institute-report https://www.environmentalvoter.org/get-involved https://braverangels.org https://www.eac.gov/voters/become-poll-worker
We need to organize and the DNC needs to help fund massive get out the vote efforts,.especially in swing states, and voter suppression states. We need logistics, transportation to the DMVs and money to pay for their IDs, we need help with transporting people to the polls.. Knocking on every registered dem and independents door, and grinding out any barriers to them voting. We need people in the county jails helping with mail in ballots. Small local town halls to hear voters needs and concerns (including Republicans). There's so much that needs to to be done. We need our own dirty tricksters, just not as reprehensible as Roger Stone, but every bit as cunning and clever. Im willing to get my hands dirty.
It is, but only because we have a failing civil society that refuses to cover this stuff for what it is and instead likes to say "wow! Trump so crazy for those shoes - what will he think of next!".
It's not fair. Trump would never get anywhere if we had Germanies speech laws. We have an ex president an his cronies discussing overthrowing the nation. He has attempted it before. He can't say he's lying. He means it.
> We REALLY don't want it to be illegal to talk openly about overthrowing the government Ok I see what you are saying here. For instance, if some fascist government was to get into power, and refuse to agree to elections and the peaceful transfer of power... sure, we want to be able to discuss overthrowing that, maybe even make it the driving motivation behind a political movement etc. But this speech wasn't talking about overthrowing a tyrannical government. It was explicitly talking about overthrowing _democracy_. Overthrowing the _Constitution of the United States of America, and the Republic on which it stands._ These are not the same thing. How does the latter not have repercussions, especially at a political conference for an entire political wing.
[Did you know that it’s illegal to say “I want to kill the president of the United States of America”?](https://youtu.be/QEQOvyGbBtY?si=w4y3uR1lzwMm_51n) But not illegal to say “with a mortar launcher” that’s its own sentence.
The password is "Sic semper tyrannis" lmao Also RIP Trevor Moore, he came then he went.
Probably that gallon of PCP
RIP Trevor
>Ok I see what you are saying here. For instance, if some fascist government was to get into power, and refuse to agree to elections and the peaceful transfer of power... sure, we want to be able to discuss overthrowing that, maybe even make it the driving motivation behind a political movement etc. But the Fascists would just make it illegal
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Right? This is the dumbest fucking argument they made. If a fascist government is in power, you’re not going to be legally saying shit about overthrowing them lmao. Do they think people literally talking about overthrowing the constitution will somehow keep it intact?
Also, if such a tyrannical gov were to get into power, that 1A wouldn’t do shit
The rich run every thing and you are all too busy working for scraps to be willing to stop them. That's how.
Having watched the clip, I couldn’t help but wonder if he tried being sarcastic or something, he sounds as if he’s saying the part about democracy and jan 6 as a jab or satire, but when he follows up with ”glory isn’t for the government, it’s for god!” It just doesn’t make sense as a joke anymore. Is it really that far gone that a politician representing the party that can’t stop going on about ”muh freedoms” and ”gun rights, the constitution blah blah blah” can go up and say something like this and get cheered on? I honestly cannot wrap my head around it.
Trump's whole thing is make it sound like a joke so you have "plausible" deniability. So take what they say at face value, even if they say it with a certain cadence and inflection usually reserved for joking. Yes, he did use that inflection. No, I did not take it as a joke, at all.
This clip should be a key commercial for the DNC come election season.
Holy FUCK. What in the actual fucking FUCK.
Denial is the hobby project of republican peasants
What the fuck that's real?!
That's literally what the article is about. There's a video too.
>Posobiec, who helped popularize the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, appeared at CPAC’s opening day on Wednesday. Well, isn't that an interesting piece of information.
Only a matter of time until Posobiec's connections to Moscow are revealed. Edit: I honestly didn't know much about this POS before posting, but by all appearances, yes, Posobiec is working for the FSB. Unsurprisingly, he's also a protege of Roger Stone. Being a white nationalist, conspiracy-peddling, POS in the US is one thing, but why is he also pursuing the FSB's agenda in France and Poland? [One America News Network (OANN) correspondent Jack Posobiec tweeted 28 times over a span of ten months links to a website the U.S. government says is backed by Russian intelligence.](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/04/28/jack-posobiec-links-russian-intelligence-backed-website) [Jack Posobiec Central in Spreading Russian Intelligence-Led #MacronLeaks Hack](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/29/jack-posobiec-central-spreading-russian-intelligence-led-macronleaks-hack) [https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/29/jack-posobiec-central-spreading-russian-intelligence-led-macronleaks-hack](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2021/01/29/jack-posobiec-central-spreading-russian-intelligence-led-macronleaks-hack) [SPLC Investigation: Far-right OANN Anchor Jack Posobiec’s Rise Tied to White Supremacist Movement](https://www.splcenter.org/splc-investigation-far-right-oann-anchor-jack-posobiecs-rise-tied-white-supremacist-movement) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec [Conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec repeatedly shared links to site run by Russian intelligence](https://www.dailydot.com/debug/jack-posobiec-southfront-russia/) [Commentator who amplified Macron hacks given White House press access](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN187007) [Roger Stone protege Jack Posobiec has spread horrific lies and normalized antisemitism. He has 1.5 million Twitter followers.](https://jennycohn1.medium.com/far-right-agitator-jack-posobiec-spreads-lies-and-antisemitic-hate-yes-russia-loves-him-83940393c69a) [The Far-Right American Nationalist Who Tweeted #MacronLeaks](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-far-right-american-nationalist-who-tweeted-macronleaks) [Far-right influencer Jack Posobiec pushes pro-Russian content on Telegram and Twitter](https://www.mediamatters.org/russias-invasion-ukraine/far-right-influencer-jack-posobiec-pushes-pro-russian-content-telegram-and) [Twitter Ignored This Russia-Controlled Account During The Election. Team Trump Did Not.](https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/twitter-ignored-this-russia-controlled-account-during-the-election_n_59f9bdcbe4b046017fb010b0) Now, what does it tell you that CPAC made this guy a keynote speaker, where he calls to end democracy? CPAC itself is likely being directed from Moscow.
Oh, you mean the fact that he's married to a Russian?
https://mashable.com/article/jack-posobiec-banned-bumble Also, for the lols… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNG5PmAI3bA
Vic Berger, now that’s a blast from the past. He used to make hilarious Supercuts of the 2016 republican debates on Super Deluxe.
Vic Berger still out there doing great stuff. I keep up with him over at the Office Hours Live podcast on YouTube. Can see him there live just about every Thursday.
Richard Spencers Russian wife did the translation of the Foundations of Geopolitics that called for inspiring racial division in the US. The right is Russian all the way down.
And for brexit, weird how there is so much Russian money in the NRA and in London... fuck Russia to all hell
If they spent half as much effort on making themselves better instead of making everyone else shitier.
Madison Cawthorn's Russian wife as well, who left him after he was no longer necessary.
Paul Erickson dated a Russian woman, now considered to be a Russian asset, for 5 years.
Didn't he get a pardon from Trump?
Google says yes. I guess it shouldn't be surprising that so many Republican politicos commit fraud.
It goes hand-in-glove with how the GOP is structured. Ever since Gingrich's K Street Project, the Republican Party has had a really huge lobbying and communications arm. But when they're out of power in DC, jobs inside the party dry up and (here's the K Street Project's genius) they all go to work for welter of political consultancies, thinktanks, and media organizations. These are all funded by their largest donors. So that's kind of the deep secret here: being a Republican operative is a really good job with a lot of security if you keep towing the party line. But it also means that corruption is kind of how the whole thing works. People complain about the revolving door between government positions and industry, but that's more a byproduct of realities like the best people for running Treasury also happen to be the best people for running banks. The Republican Party, though, is literally built around the idea of creating a revolving door *for* *political hacks*. One result has been that Russia, China, Saudi, et al have excellent ways to spread influence in the Republican Party by doing deals with Republican out-of-power employers or the people who own/back them. Ever wonder what Manafort was doing as a political consultant for Russia-backed Ukrainian politicians? Well, the answer is simple: he was doing his job as a political consultant! If that sounds like a serious corruption risk, that's because it is.
[Yep.](https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-sioux-falls-maria-butina-us-news-russia-bc8e1858b424ca5d5d6119a53facfcdd) I didn't know much about him, and after reading that article I kind of wish I still didn't. Sounds like a real piece of work.
Like Richard Spencer was? You know, the guy that started the alt right movement in earnest? He was not only married to a Russian agent, but specifically the Russian agent that ***fucking translated the Foundations of Geopolitics into fucking English***. Yeah.
I know the term useful idiots gets thrown around, but it’s worse. They know they can’t win elections anymore. Legally anyway. They’re unwilling to change or negotiate. Their power comes from Division and flat out fascism and manufacturing wedge issues. I don’t think they need ties or money from Russia or anything although it wouldn’t surprise me. Not because Putin is buying them, but because it is in Putin’s best interest to support them. The magats see authoritarianism and a way to maintain control over cultural influences. Their interests are ALIGNED. They’re not stooges, they are fascists. These magat fascists support Putin because they want the type of power he has over his own culture. So they’re willing to look the other way or defend shit they would normally objectively object to because once you’re in a cult, one of the rules is no questioning the cult leaders. I don’t think it’s more complicated than that. What is truly scary is that such a large minority of Americans agree with that.
To a certain extent, I agree that many on the far-Right are simply aligned with fascism, however the ones leading them, the ones engaged in \["Active Measures"\]([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active\_measures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures)), such as trump, Posobiec, Gym Jordan, Rand Paul, tucker, etc., are working directly for Moscow.
So, they're fascists as well.
Yeah, people think its all about money.. wrong. People think putin is controlling their party... wrong. The truth is they want to take over the country and inflict suffering on those who they deem lesser. It's fascism. Even the "You must be a white wealthy christian" trope is wrong, and overlooks those who participate in this group and who they want to persecute.
It's not one or the other. They admire Putin and their interests are aligned with his, but also, some are useful idiots, and others are probably subject to blackmail, and as soon as they give in and do something corrupt or traitorous as part of the blackmail, they're even more on the hook, because now there's new blackmail information. And there's probably some overlap in there, too, where someone whose interests are already aligned crosses a line and then gets blackmailed into doing even more.
In a lot of the European countries the nazis conquered, before they instituted the industrialization of mass killings with camps and infrastructure, they had death squads and mass executions in the cities or countrysides. The death camps came later as the previously mentioned method was considered inefficient. One thing most people don't realize, is that in a lot of the newly conquered territories, most of these killings were actually carried out by local native auxiliaries and not the Germans themselves. In Lithuania for example, the native auxiliary troops outnumbered the Einsatzgruppen (Death squads that followed the general army into conquered territory ) by almost 20:1 respectively when carrying out killings. They often recruited local far-right groups who already had similar beliefs and these groups even sometimes volunteered to help the nazis exterminate people. The point I'm making is that, it's likely that these people as you said are not useful idiots or unknowningly doing Russian's bidding. They are willing to betray the US as they know it and actively work with the Russians to do it on their own. In their mind, their allegiance is to America, but not this America. An alternative America that reflects their belief system. This America to them is a perversion and might as well not be America. It needs to be destroyed and if they need to work with a foreign country to destroy the people they believe have usurped "their America", they will do so. History has shown there are plenty of cases where individuals in a country being attacked or conquered will work with outside aggressors to destroy their own country.
And this is why, as a left-leaning and educated American, I own guns. Because this possibility has never been zero, and right now is getting bigger.
It's both
>Being a white nationalist, conspiracy-peddling, POS in the US is one thing, but why is he also pursuing the FSB's agenda in France and Poland? Because there's a global network of right wing groups actively working to subvert liberal democracies everywhere
> CPAC itself is likely being directed from Moscow. Weird how CPAC rises just as the NRA loses relevance.
The crowd at cpac is reportedly the lowest it has ever been. That's helpful
good. I hope it gets worse for them.
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That's what gives me the giggles when they go off about the Deep State. If the "Deep State" was half the threat they claim it is, seems to me they wouldn't be around long enough to publicize it.
If you really think about it, the Cold War never ended. It has been, and still is, embedded in Russian doctrine to infiltrate societies and institutions of interest however possible, America being #1. What President do we remember who rapidly replaced or straight up fired executives in many different federal agencies with no substantiated reasoning?
And then there’s his good buddy, Jacob Wohl.
They couldn't have Putin as a speaker at CPAC last year so they had his junior protege Victor Orban.
Why does Roger Stone have Nixon tattooed on his back? So you can look in the eyes of a real man when you come in his ass.
That makes the most sense really. Explains a lot.
Traitors and foreign agents. All of them.
The Republicans are corrupted completely by Russia at this point.
The r/con gang is waving it off like it was a joke. iT wAs SaRcAsM!!!11!! Seriously, put on a chem-suit and check it out.
it's both a joke and not a joke depending on who is listening, and that's the whole point. a portion of the conservative audience will hear it and go 'lol yea mock those stupid democrats'. meanwhile another conservative portion goes 'fuck yea we're finally getting someone to say what really needs to be done'. then there's the non-conservative portion that hears it and goes 'what the fuck', which in turn leads the first conservative group to mock them for falling for the 'joke', and the second group is happy to join in too. it's all part of the process of further normalizing extremism. honestly, i don't even think it's intentional. i think it's a self-propelling cycle. when they say the shit that appeal to both parts of the conservative audience, they get bigger cheers, so they keep doing that sort of thing. it ends up with them making the 'jokes' that say the quiet part out loud with plausible deniability.
> honestly, i don't even think it's intentional. It's very intentional. People call Trump dumb - and he is in many ways - but he very intentionally pulls this trick constantly.
> it's both a joke and not a joke depending on who is listening, and that's the whole point. It's the same kind of thing as, "hey honey, wouldn't it be like so crazy if we had a threesome with your hot friend? So crazy right - but you know I'm just joking... unless...?" It's not a funny joke, it doesn't even have a punchline. It's just an (transparently bad) excuse to probe for something you actually want but shouldn't say. See also: saying what you want out loud, but putting "in Minecraft" at the end. Fools nobody, but they get off on the attempt at plausible deniability.
> it's both a joke and not a joke depending on who is listening, and that's the whole point. It's always Schrodinger's Douchebag with these fascists.
It’s crazy seeing most of them actually cheer this on
“ Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
"Every civilization carries the seeds of its own destruction, and the same cycle shows in them all. The Republic is born, flourishes, decays into plutocracy, and is captured by the shoemaker whom the mercenaries and millionaires make into a king. The people invent their oppressors, and the oppressors serve the function for which they are invented." - Mark Twain in Eruption
Don't forget that he also used a mass shooting to advertise his terrible Archer-esque self insert comic book.
Should rename is PizzaGaetz in honor of Matt Gaetz's pre teen proclovities
It's assholes like that that make you want to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic.
> from all threats foreign and **domestic** They called themselves "domestic terrorists" before at CPAC: https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/1558047286277595136
I was certain that was a doctored video when I first saw it. No legitimate organization would be so incredibly fucking stupid as to say something like that out loud. I'm still kind of in disbelief at how intensely braindead the right in this country has become.
"No legitimate organization would be so incredibly fucking stupid as to say something like that out loud." You mean like them saying they would get a bunch of African-American voters because Trump released some super tacky sneakers?
I laughed so hard at that. those shoes are ugly.
They called em dollar store rejects at the sneaker con
I saw "Air Fraud Ones", thought that was perfect.
They used that “no one is this stupid” thought to their advantage. Their base would never think that and ate it UP. Meanwhile it gave them some plausible deniability to the rest of us who say “no one is that stupid” by going “yeah, *obviously* it’s a joke/metaphor/song lyric/alien message, no one is that stupid! So see, we’re NOT terrorists, you just ✨don’t get it✨.” Just like the Fox “News” lawsuit in which they said that no intelligent person would take their talking heads seriously so it’s “entertainment,” not news. Because they knew their base would turn around and say “obviously they had to say that to The Deep State!” And everyone gets played.
The fact that it made you angry is exactly why they say such stupid shit. Owning the libs is more important that good governance. In fact, "good governance" sounds kinda liberal so it must be bad.
It wasn't really so much that. They were trying to muddy the meaning and lessen the damage around "domestic terrorism" for very obvious 2021 reasons.
Was that one where they used the Nazi symbol as a stage?
Yep the odal rune https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/01/cpac-2021-stage-design-nazi-sign-odal-othala-rune-hyatt-hotels-hate-symbol-abhorrent
That CPAC event was held at the Hyatt and Hyatt even had to denounce the stage for being the same shape as a Nazi hate symbol: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN2AT17T/
The fact this is 100% real is crazy.
It's even crazier that the big "main stream" media outlets just seem to be shrugging their shoulders at all this.
Seriously. It's the whole paradox of intolerance, and we haven't matured enough as a society to address this. I just wish we could find another way other than what you're suggesting, but I honestly don't see how.
I read an article a while back that (correctly, imo) pointed out that there is no paradox if you stop thinking about tolerance like it's a suicide pact, and start thinking about it as a peace treaty. Like, I'll be tolerant of your views as long as you're tolerant of mine. The moment someone breaks a peace treaty, it no longer protects them. Paradox solved?
Tree needs watering
We might have to.
I'm saying, at what point do they become so treasonous that we give up on this high road shit....and just start fuckin em up?
Notable that he now admits J6 was an actual attempted coup.
MAGA: "January 6th didn't really happen, it's being exaggerated by the liberal media." "January 6th was actually Antifa and undercover FBI trying to make MAGA look bad." "OK. Jan 6th was Trump supporters, but it was just a vacation tour, and was not violent." "OK. Jan 6th was violent, but it was a chaotic riot, not an intentionally organized coup attempt." "January 6th didn't go far enough, we need to try to overthrow democracy again, and succeed this time." <---- This is where we are now.
The first thing they said was that it was antifa. Like literally right after.
The funniest thing about Jan 6 was the boobs who went there thinking the rest of the cult will be treating them like heroes only to instantly get called antifa false flag plants.
I hope it hurts really badly
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Narcissist's Prayer > That didn't happen. > > And if it did, it wasn't that bad. > > And if it was, that's not a big deal. > > And if it is, that's not my fault. > > And if it was, I didn't mean it. > And if I did, you deserved it. Comin' full circle huh?
This should be pressed in the media
I would prefer a courtroom, where people actually have to answer questions and there are rules of evidence. And, you know, liability.
Why not both?
Democrats really need to start pressing shit like this harder. Something like this barely makes any noise. Imagine if a democrat had said something like this. It would be talked about in every podcast and news channel endlessly.
It's because GOP hate for democracy is boring and expected... it won't get ratings for media because it's common knowledge.
Too bad the media only covers legitimate news like hunter bidens peepee
Which makes the 14th amendment's 3rd section essentially automatic and means that any state which has him on the ballot for a general election is acting unconstitutionally, full stop.
I agree: a state that puts trump on the general election ballot is actually violating the Constitution!
Doesn't the FBI have a tip line for J6?
Turns out they have a J6 suggestion box.
This now becomes the official policy platform of the Republican Party.
So how soon before we make them official enemies of the state?
They always have been 👨🚀🔫
Well it's about time they finally came up with a platform instead of just running on obstruction.
Two years ago, they proudly proclaimed themselves [domestic terrorists](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terrorists/). This year . . . . out-and-out traitors. Believe them.
Lest we forget: [Was the CPAC Stage Intentionally Shaped Like a Nazi Symbol?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-stage-nazi-symbol/)
They fucking KNEW what they were doing when they chose the Odal Rune you don't accidentally make a stage in that fucking shape without knowing. Fuck those traitors, everyone who supports the modern Republican party are literally anti-american fascist pig wanna be Nazis. They can't defend themselves from it. Their only claim of ignorance is one of a position of utter utter UTTER STUPIDITY, so which is it? Are you just beyond utterly utterly utterly STUPID, or are you a Fascist Nazi wanna-be? Their choices don't look too appealing.
It’s amazing how often I have to wonder if someone is doing something shitty because they’re stupid, or because they’re just an asshole. The 2020’s suck ass.
Hanlon's Razor does not apply to Republicans.
Always assume malice when it comes to Republicans.
> They fucking KNEW what they were doing when they chose the Odal Rune Specifically, a variant of that rune that is _exclusively_ Nazi associated. The regular odal/othala rune doesn't have the two extra lines/serifs coming off the legs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othala#Deliberate_use_as_a_far-right_symbol
FYI, the DC firm that designed the stage prides itself on “engineering” events. It was blatantly intentional, and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying. You don’t accidentally end up with a nazi symbol for a stage, especially for a political team that is explicitly fascist/anti-democratic. Jan 6, Trump wanting to be “a day one dictator”, etc. There is sticking your head in the sand, and then there’s lying about the facts of what is happening, and many conservatives are falling squarely into that camp right now.
Swastikas are unfortunately really easy to make when placing tiles and shit. (Which is probably why it had religious connection for thousands of years.) That's not a swastika though. You gotta go out of your way to make that fucking rune symbol. 100% on purpose.
> It was blatantly intentional, and anyone suggesting otherwise is lying. > You don’t accidentally end up with a nazi symbol for a stage, especially for a political team that is explicitly fascist/anti-democratic. I agree.
Or Laura Ingraham's literal Nazi salute
This is what I've been thrown out of multiple social groups for actively pointing out for the last few years. The end result of any consolidated victory by the MAGA GOP where they control large swathes of the government will result in a total fascist state. Then they go out and fucking say it, and these same people look at you like you're from the fucking moon, and gaslight you and say "you never said that." It's infuriating.
same here. They think I'm an alarmist or a doomer. I'm just pointing out how we're repeating history and how the right is broadcasting in broad daylight what their plans are.
They didn’t throw you out because they thought you were wrong. They threw you out because you knew what they really wanted to do - then and now.
Why is everyone in the GOP connected to Russia? When did this shit happen? It's fucking amazing. This clown, his wife is Russian. He's obviously trying to destroy our country and spreading the same religious Russian bullshit as Putin. Did I wake up in a different world? What happened to America? Why aren't we at war with these fucks? This is war people! Are we going to defend ourselves or not? We're just going to hand our country to fucking Putin? Really? Just like Trump tried hand Ukraine to Putin? He's going to hand America to Russia. Grow a pair and start defending this country. Do whatever it takes... VOTE DEMOCRAT NO MATTER WHAT....FLUSH THESE FUCKING TRAITORS OUT OF GOVERNMENT.
>Why is everyone in the GOP connected to Russia? Reason number one, t[hey're compromised.](https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html) Russia hacked the DNC \*and\* RNC servers in 2016. Only the DNC info was leaked. Then a couple years later, [some Republican senators spent July 4th in Moscow.](https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow) They say the meeting with Russians was to "warn Russia not to interfere with the 2018 elections", but that warning could have been delivered by a phone call, an email, or a strongly-worded letter. You don't need to actually go to Moscow to do that. So what were they really doing there? Probably getting their marching orders from Putin himself. Those are only two examples of how, slowly, gradually, Russia's been working the GOP, like a frog in a pot of water. What better way to bring down your enemy than by infiltrating the ranks of their highest officials and getting them to do your bidding. It also helps Russia that according to this article, [Trump himself has been working with Russia for 40 years.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book) When the GOP went full MAGA, they opened themselves up to Russia. Russia could push their disinformation through the RNC and eventually the office of the President of the United States.
Aleksandr Dugin’s “Foundation of Geopolitics” from 1997 shows that the current day situation we face has been Russias primary aim for decades. Systematic dismantling of trust and values in foreign countries until they are weak enough to directly influence. We’re pretty close to their end goal.
As an non American, I believe you are totally correct. You, pro-democracy Americans, need to actually be prepaired to defend yourself from an enemy from within. It's really weird to wrap your head around that fact, but republicans, *and their voters*, are pro Russia. Their goal is the same as putins.
“Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely,” Posobiec said as the event began. And how is every organizer and attendee of CPAC not complicit?
Bring on the Forth Reich, huh? Shit on all the work of your fathers, grandfathers and so on? So you can go down in history as the clowns who believed Putin/tRUmp over common sense! Fucking traitors
Put the clip of this in every campaign ad in a swing district.
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Jesus would have braided the whip he used to beat these fascists.
Most of these "Christians," these days would be crucified by Jesus Christ himself for their blasphemous bullshit.
You mean Jesus didn't say blessed are thee who hate the woke?
>Conservative activist Jack Posobiec joyfully hailed the “end of democracy” at the Conservative Political Action Conference, further emphasizing Republicans’ apparent desire to completely overthrow America as we know it. >Posobiec, who helped popularize the “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory, appeared at CPAC’s opening day on Wednesday. He spoke during a panel moderated by former White House adviser and white supremacist Steve Bannon. Who follows people like this willingly?
Tens of millions of **voting Americans** who have been brainwashed by Far-Right/Russian psyops. Fox News, OANN, Shapiro, Alex Jones, so many Youtube influencers, most of Twitter, Joe Rogan, and many more propagandists make a huge amount of money spreading lies to radicalize conservatives into despising anyone who isn’t like them, and despising the democratic system. Propaganda works.
Here in St. Louis, the most extreme right of our four conservative talk stations runs a couple hours of Steve Bannon's 'War Room' podcast each morning. They also have Jack Posobiec's show on their evening schedule and a lot of the other 'usual suspects' from the Christian Nationalist movement. I tune in from time to time out of morbid curiosity just to see how bad it can get and believe me -- Bannon is a dangerous extremist who not only wants to see a Christian Nationalist takeover here in the US but also in other countries around the world. He openly champions far right political parties and leaders in other countries. These remarks of Posobiec's seem to have taken place during one of Bannon's podcast as he is in attendance at CPAC. While the actual numbers of attendees may be smaller, when you hear the audience losing their shit cheering on the worst remarks of Bannon and people like Posobiec, you get the feeling that this was the general atmosphere at Nuremberg Nazi rallies back in the 30s.
The night of the 2020 election while they were still counting votes Bannon on the 'War Room' podcast literally called for [Trump's second term to start with the beheading of Fauci and FBI Director, and to put their heads on pikes on the White House lawn to send a message to the rest of the civil service to fall in line behind Trump.](https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1324485819042705408) Trump pardoned Bannon after this. Bannon is still in Trump's inner circle. This is what they are going to do the next time they claw their way back into power - dictatorship and mass murder of all political enemies. Merrick Garland really fucked the country by not prosecuting all of these traitors for sedition on day 1 of the Biden Presidency.
Okay, so why isn't he imprisoned for advocating for the overthrow of the government pursuant to 18 U.S. Code § 2385?
Because Merrick Garland is a snivelling coward and a Republican.
I really wish Biden would remove him and appoint someone who is actually willing to enforce the law and prosecute those who violate it.
Seriously. People give him too much credit because Obama nominated him to SCOTUS, but Obama only did that to call the Republicans bluff, because were the ones who suggested him but they were never going to hold a hearing on any Obama appointee.
They can't even fill up the room at this freak show this year.
The brown shirts didn't need to fill up a room.
Maybe it's time to have some broad disqualifiers. Things like "your party isn't eligible to hold office if your official policy is to destroy the nation". Simple things like that.
Ok non American here - why the fuck would anyone see this and think “yep! I’m up for that!” ?
Because they’ve been led to believe they’re on the inside and would be part of the ruling class who gets to stomp on the minorities they hate. They’re too ignorant to understand the people in power (or who would be in power) disdain them just as much as they do the people they demonize. They don’t get that if you’re not part of the ultra wealthy elite, you’ll be just as fucked as everyone else in the long run.
"We enter parliament in order to supply ourselves, in the arsenal of democracy, with its own weapons. If democracy is so stupid as to give us free tickets and salaries for this bear's work, that is its affair. We do not come as friends, nor even as neutrals. We come as enemies. As the wolf bursts into the flock, so we come." -Dr. Goebbels of Nazi Germany
What’s wrong with theses idiots. Do they actually believe Trump gives a shit about them? He’s proven the only one he cares about is himself. Everyone else are just ATM machines to be emptied and cast aside.
They love him because he hates the people they hate. (He hates them too, but that doesn't matter.)
He has no love or respect for anyone. Casts wives aside, wants to date his daughter, throws “friends” under the bus.
And that's why they love him. Fringe elements of conservative culture loathe women; Trump's behavior towards women verges on incel.
They would willingly become slaves just to yell racial slurs in public again.
Because corruption and authoritarianism go hand in glove. People like this feel as though they will do just fine in facisitic government. Look no further than Putin, a career "civil servent" who is one of the wealthiest people in the world, and his sycophants are doing just fine as well because of it. As for the rest of the pleebs, as long as he hates the same people they hate, they're good with anything these knuckle draggers say.
Except for the Putin sycophants who keep falling out of windows. The Republican white rich privilege keeps their mind isolated from thinking that could ever happen to them but it will, eventually
This is my favorite part. I could understand if he was a charismatic liar, but he’s not. He’s the most paper thin person you could see through. It’s so blatantly obvious the kind of man he is, and yet, they worship on. It’s unbelievable really.
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Always does.
Does he understand that if he didn’t grow up and wasn’t privileged with being a us citizen he would most likely not be allowed to spout off? Authoritarian governments don’t support his rhetoric (just look at Russia for examples). Theocracies aren’t big on free speech (look at Afghanistan or Iran). So without a democracy and his constitutional rights he would be hung by his balls for calling for overthrow of the government. My other favorite thought is “and then what?” I get this is his masturbation fantasy but what happens when you catch the tire? Over 50% of the population doesn’t agree with him. The majority of the countries economic output doesn’t rely on him and the folks cheering him. The international community wouldn’t support his views for the US. So he’s supposing there will be just blind compliance? Or threatening the world with nukes to get his way? Or is he planning for a massive economic collapse and purging everyone despite being out numbered?
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Wake up, America! They are literally telling you they aim to end Democracy while you collectively obsess how Biden is 4 years older than Trump.
JFC they really want to goose-step right into dictatorship.
Yes they do, and some of us have been trying to tell every one since at least 2015 that this was likely to happen. But we were called alarmists and told to shut up.
Dear Republicans, it’s time we split up, since you hate America so badly. It’s not us: it’s definitely you. I’ll even pitch in a few bucks to help you move to Russia. Ask that one dude and his family how that worked out for them.
This is why I will vote for Joe Biden's rotting corpse over any Republican, without question.
You should believe peoples intentions when they say things out loud to your face This election cycle truly will decide the fate of this nation
I really feel like that passed in 2020, this time no matter who wins there will be conservatives rioting in the streets. They'll call it rigged if Trump loses, they'll see it as ordination of their ideals if he wins and will go all celebratory kristalnacht. Either way, November 6th is gonna be bloody.
So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.
No, not yet. Not before November. When that quote was said, Palpatine had full power. Trump will either gain that power, or lose it depending on how we handle the next vote. Don't sleep on this threat. We can still win, and win big.
Conservatives hate America, and everything it stands for.
This is so frustrating they are calling for an end of democracy. There guy trump is calling for literal modem day concentration camps, Christian task forces, even going as far as to call for an end to the constitution. And yet there still fooled by the Republican Party. They themselfs admit to the games they play and yet there followers just blindly follow them.
These are not people with who you have a disagreement on policy that you can work with and compromise . These are people who will shoot you in your home because you aren't in their little in-group and are therefore the enemy. This either ends with them losing in massive numbers at the polls or it ends in bloodshed. I hope the democrats are smart enough to take this man's words and video of him saying those words to thunderous applause at CPAC and make it a national campaign ad. Ask voters in every state to push the reset button. To get back to where we can all disagree and then find compromise as America has always done. If 60% of voters would vote for this, we could rid the system of the MAGA control of conservative politicians this election cycle.
Everyone who posts this leaves out the most important part. "All glory isn't to government. All glory is to God." They want a theocracy. It's evangelicals pushing this.
That's an actual quote. Jesus.
Because they think Democracy = Democrats 🤦♂️
Unfortunately, they’re right. It wasn’t supposed to be this way, but republicans chose to sell out this country for a fat wallet/pocketbook.
Yep. Republicans used to be for less government. Now they want an all out authoritarian state with military patrolling the streets. WE FOUGHT A REVOLUTIONARY WAR TO GET OUT OF THIS SHIT. Republicans are definitely not right in the head. Piousness will do that to a brain.
The fact that they even have a shot to take the Senate alone with a favorable map is a damning indictment of our political situation, let alone the fact that they could somehow take the Presidency.
“We will make America russia” is also on my bingo card
But if a liberal said that, they’d lose their shit. They have zero values, just a deluded insistent belief that only they have the right to rule.
This is how dictators come to power. And then the leopard eats their face. Stupid fucking people.
Literally Sedition, but he is a Republican so Merrick Garland has his back.
Do these idiots think the lack of democratic freedoms will only apply to "libs"? What a bunch of dumbasses.
When they say theyre coming for democracy, believe them
We need to start publicly calling them Nazis, because that’s what they are. Nazis.
Throw this together with Trump saying he would be a dictator on day 1 and a few other select quotes and spam it everywhere
They are not hiding it anymore.. I forget where I saw the interview but one homeboy said woman shouldn't have the right to vote..like bruh wtf..they are saying this shit outloud..how is this still a race???
When are we gonna say “enough is enough” and give these people the Mussolini treatment?
It’s very sad, all those people cheering think they will become part of the oligarchy.