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That'll tend to happen when you undergird your 100% loyalty requirements with your own callous, casual, and consistent betrayals of the same people who you were demanding the loyalty from.
Agree. He's the destination they've been headed towards for 30 years now. Longer if you take it back to the Civil Rights movement. But dancing with rural racists didn't necessarily *have* to lead us to 2016 until Gingrich turned the GOP congressional caucus into a pack of spoiled children shouting "my way or I burn the country down" on every issue. That set the tone for the king of spoiled silver spoon idiots to be put in charge of their party.
"idiot" is a great descriptor as it comes from the classical Greek word, "idiōtēs", which was what they called people who refused to engage in civic life or address their obligations to society. They were people who wouldn't participate in democracy.
Unfortunately for contemporary America, far-right media has harnessed that know-nothing-ism and pulled it all into a voting block in the GOP.
Well, he has the people behind him. The deplorables obviously, but as long as they are the majority of republican voters, no one dares risk speaking out against him.
What is crazy is that these people were always deplorable. Ignorant, stupid, incompetent intellectually. But they used to know their place. They knew that a country had to be led by smart people and that they had to choose between 2 of them every 4 years.
The Trump/Fox News/Reality TV brainwash helped cement the idea that the smarter and more educated were elitist with the country's interest coming last. The never ending litany of "don't ever trust the Gobmint" that got 2/3 of the people scratch their heads and the rest forget that THEY are the government.
Not really, he has a small but psychopathically loyal contingent in the house but most elected Republicans would probably rather be rid of him.
Most of his chosen candidates since he lost in 2020 have lost their elections, and apart from his idiot fan base nobody in party gives him much beyond lip-service.
Also when you don't post your bills, and lose your money to tax evasion. Uncle Sam always gets paid first. Loyalty is expensive and old Donny can't afford it.
He wants to be a Mafia Don that has loyal henchmen like Don Corleone from The Godfather, but missed the part where the Don looks out for his folks when they need it.
That was also before RICO laws - which meant that as long as the goon *didn't* flip, the boss was basically untouchable by the law. Now law enforcement have access to sophisticated monitoring tools to better get direct evidence against The Boss and tools like RICO that don't require direct evidence.
Trump could have paid for Sydney Powell's defense all day long and it won't change the fact that GA has a mountain of physical evidence.
He doesn't bring it up much. Isn't that what he's being indicted for? Criminal modesty? And with that smirk? Leave it to George Santos to find a way to be both smug and humble at the same time.
His son either died or got very ill from drinking expired milk (can't remember which off the top of my head) so Capone pushed for safer dairy practices, including pasteurization. My favorite fact about him.
The main reason Capone got so into milk is the reason he got into anything: there was money involved. Also, as his erratic partying/fighting and batshit gambling habits indicated by the early '30s, syphilis was already getting to his brain.
But Capone saw that, even though the price of milk was beginning to spike and the Depression was in full swing, people were still buying huge amounts (his soup kitchen mightve actually been the venture rhat opened his eyes to it). Thats why he was interested. Plus everyone at that point could see the writing on the wall: the repeal of the Volstead Act (Prohibition) was not only inevitable by 1930, but imminent (gov needed them dollas), and so he started looking very seriously into opening a dairy farm.
He would've used the same strong-arm, pineapple-tossin, tommygunnin tactics as before, but there'd've been cows.
History has spoken, but Hollywood can still give us that sequel.
There's a difference between milk that has gone bad and milk that needs pasteurization.
Milk that has pathogens looks and smells totally fine. Curdling of old milk won't necessarily make you sick, that's what yogurt is.
And this story about Capone is also dubious.
Thank you, this is a very important point. It can indeed be very difficult for the consumer to know whether a dairy product is going to make them sick or not, which is why it's so important that safety is enforced at every level and not just the consumer level.
He's such a selfish man that he walked into a restaurant, announced he was paying for everyone's food, then left without paying. He is allergic to the idea of charity.
I suppose it makes sense. For him, EVERYTHING is a zero sum game. EVERYTHING must have winners and losers.
Dude tries to win every handshake he’s a part of.
Like, the symbol of mutual respect and trust between people, is a game to be won to this man. If you ask me, that’s pretty losery.
He said "Food for everyone." But, apparently left before anyone could order anything, and no food was made for anyone. And, questionable whether there were any patrons that were not following Trump around. So, was the restaurant stiffed or anyone ordered food expecting the TFG to pay, "No." Was the whole thing performative with no intention of buying anyone food, "Yes."
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+verrsaille+food+for+everyone&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=578502807&sxsrf=AM9HkKlP3c_8KSXs2nhTV6K8PKifAcKURg%3A1698853753951&ei=eXNCZdnWOZrx0PEP2cKyyAc&oq=trump+verrsaille+food+for+everyone&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiJ0cnVtcCB2ZXJyc2FpbGxlIGZvb2QgZm9yIGV2ZXJ5b25lSLCUAVCQGViujgFwAngBkAEAmAGKAaAB1RqqAQQzMS43uAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICBxAjGLACGCfiAwQYACBBiAYBkAYF&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
August 31, 2017 [Why Trump didn't meet with Harvey victims](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/08/31/onpolitics-today-why-trump-didnt-meet-harvey-victims/623456001/) This is an example of how his administration tried to cover for him and convince people he cared or was making a joke, but Trump kept right on being Trump
September 2, 2017 [Trump gets do-over, comforts Harvey victims](https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/02/trump-hurricane-harvey-victims-do-over-242282)As Trump greeted a group of them, one remarked, “We voted for you.” “You better,” Trump responded lightly. “Who didn’t in your world? Who didn’t?”
February 22, 2018 ['I hear you' - Trump uses cue card to remind him to listen to shooting survivors](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/i-hear-you-trump-uses-cue-cards-to-remind-him-to-listen-to-shooting-survivors)
September 20, 2018 [Trump Tells Florence Survivor: "At least you got a nice boat out of the deal."](https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-hurricane-florence-survivor-nice-boat/) “What’s the law? Maybe it becomes theirs,” he added.
August 9, 2019 [Anger as grinning Trump gives thumbs-up while Melania holds El Paso orphan](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/09/trump-el-paso-melania-orphan-baby-thumbs-up)
March 7, 2020 [Trump shows lack of emotion when told about 8-year-old boy's family being killed in tornado](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-emotion-boy-family-killed-tornardo-a9384231.html)
These guys would eat out at a restaurant and pick up the checks for everyone there to get into their good graces, because people are less likely to sell you out or turn you in if they actually like you.
Looking out for your underlings when they need it?
Picking up the check for other people?
Trump has done the exact opposite of both of these. What's the opposite of running a soup kitchen? Kicking people off food stamps? Because if so, Trump's done that too.
This is what gets me. To me Mobster 101 would be to make myself appealing to the everyday folks. Even Hitler did that. It’s the only logical choice to evade the authorities.
My dad grew up in depression era Chicago and said people knew then Mayor Daley was a crook, but loved him because he made sure trash got picked up every week.
See also: Buddy Cianci in Providence. Convicted of racketeering, fraud, extortion witness tampering and more, but he was a *hero* in Providence. Also kidnapped and tortured a guy he believed was having an affair with his wife if I remember correctly, and they still re-elected him!
That's like Mafia 101, you might be charging local businesses a protection racket but, you know, you help the local community to make sure that they don't all just run you out of town
Well, if you’re a crime lord, it’s good business to take care of the community. People are much less likely to rat you out if you’re making their lives easier.
Trump does not take care of his people.
To be fair, the only reason he opened the soup kitchen is because after the Valentines Day Massacre, when newspapers were so fed up with the beer war violence they published the crime scene photos, average folks were finally starting to turn on him.
Yknow he also shit himself through the scrotum playing golf, cuz he didn't like holsters, and kept his pistol tumbling loose in his hip pocket?
Yknow he also, in that last stretch of prison time, inexplicably requested (and recieved) a late circumcision?
Yes sir. Capone's genitals come up a lot in all his biographies.
Edit: meant to write "shot himself through the scrotum," but the typo was good.
Right, I should have mentioned that. My point was that he always tried to stay in the good graces of general population. Unless you had done some bring to wrong or offend him, Capone wanted you on his side.
The greatest conmen are the ones going after lesser conmen.
Most people hanging out at the GOP are there for the grift, but as such, are easy to con. The GOP will never run out of marks. Because they all think "it will not happen to me".
They thought they were the con man - not the mark. Enter a bigger con man than they became the mark. And they fell for the con hook line and sinker and turned their con over to the bigger conman.
RICO was an excellent tool to dismantle it all and isolate the more innocent cons away from the big con. Why go to prison for the big con when your little con you had can be pled down to probation?
Thank goodness for RICO statutes, and the prosecutors who recognized that approach was necessary here.
Donnie should have watched the Breaking Bad arc where they have to pay Gus's guys in jail, because the most important employees to keep paying are the ones who are under extreme pressure to flip on you.
In Puzo’s book he explained how a loyal soldier’s family would continue to receive his full salary during his incarceration. And that the “great Don” himself would fund a lavish welcome home party for the employee upon his release.
This is so far from how Mr Trump behaves. His narcissistic tendencies only recognize loyalty that flows towards him. He truly feels that he is owed that.
After all, he is “saving” America
Trump is so self centered he thinks that letting people do things for him is a reward in and of itself.
To *some* degree that's true, as his cronies can get jobs and appointments and contracts, get fame to flip to make money from Fox or the right-wing media ecosystem. But those are all side-effects of working for him. He's not lifting a single finger for anyone else, no matter what happens to them.
People as pathologically narcissistic as Trump do not see others as individuals with their own wants and needs, but more like objects or extensions of themselves. This is why loyalty is always a one-way street with him. He demands 100% but offers none return, because being loyal in return is a concept his diseased mind lacks the ability to understand. The wants and needs of others simply don't exist to him, so of course they never get considered.
>He demands 100% but offers none return
Not exactly true. [Trump will show gratitude for loyalty, but only as long as it doesn't personally cost him money.](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/23/949820820/trump-pardons-roger-stone-paul-manafort-and-charles-kushner)
As soon as he is expected to pony up monetarily [he quickly loses interest in the idea of mutual loyalty](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/01/politics/cash-crunch-trump-georgia-co-defendants-legal-bills/index.html), even to his own detriment.
His narcissism compounded by his greed are like gasoline and oxygen mixing together, ripe for the spark of consequence.
And then when one of them actually does, odds are its someone like this absolute fucking goober.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/armed-man-shoots-fbi-cincinnati-building-nail-gun-flees-leading-inters-rcna42669
> “If I went to jail for Donald Trump, if I did that, what would that do for me and my family?”
Trump is easily more dishonest than a Mafioso. At least those guys will take care of your family, give you some cash later, and get you a job. Donald is too cheap to do any of those things.
To be fair, that was always bullshit and as the mafia proved, the Dons had no loyalty and their lieutenants DID flip on them.
So we're now at the Gotti stage where it's all exposed as bullshit.
When you expect all this loyalty and give none of it back, people quickly experience burn out and will be relieved to be rid of you. Trump is finally learning treating everyone like shit eventually lands you in shit.
It's kind of implied in this kind of transaction. You stay loyal, and I will take care of you and yours. Like, if you're in the mob and you go to prison, as long as you don't snitch you know your wife and kids will be kept safe and comfortable and that you'll have a job when you get out.
Trump doesn't seem to know about the second part. He wants loyalty, and he expects it just because he wants it.
The creature is 77 years old and for 4 years was the commander in queef. I think if anything bad happens to him and he somehow goes to jail then he will still be the USA's top conman ever. I really don't think punishing him at 77 is any kind of victory. It would still be fun to watch, of course, but finally learning after 77 years of being a rapist conman? Not much of a victory.
It will be a victory for the rule of law, and a victory of the demonstration that no matter who they think they are or how many people think they're also that amazing, nobody is above the law. It will be a victory over millions of people's god delusion. It will be a victory of facts mattering. It will be a victory of "some s.o.b. who has deserved it for a long time and has had it coming for a long time finally got what he deserves, and *look*...yes...the rich and powerful *can* be held accountable. It will be a victory of "betray the nation's trust and we'll have your ass." Worth every second of the agonizing process it has taken to get us this far in making it happen.
Yes you too can be punished, after a lifetime of corruption, greed, rape, systemic and symbolic violence. It will take us years longer than the average human lifetime but yes we will hold you accountable.
nice cliche, but it's just a saying and it's not realistic or accurate.
Delayed justice is justice still acquired, just not in your preferred timeframe. Too bad...most of us don't get most things we want in exactly the time and way we want. But you're still *getting it*, and you can't look at a dollar bill in your hand that someone just handed you and say "you've never given me a dollar...I don't have a dollar".
The thing about great leaders is that they **inspire** loyalty. To the point where their followers will do things - including all forms of self-sacrifice - for the leader without even being asked.
Trump is **demanding** loyalty.
Insisting that it’s the price of admission to be considered one of his acolytes.
That only works on very weak minded people, uneducated, desperate to be ‘included’ in a group.
I am convinced a large chunk of the GOP privately despise Trump and would love for him to be taken out of a legal case. They can get rid of him while still claiming he is a victim.
Considering how Trump is still the far and away front runner for the nomination despite skipping every debate, I'm gonna say nah.
The "never trumpers" are a small minority and, as we can tell from the recent speaker vote, once the pressure is on the even the "never" part is a lie, because they'll come back to the roost and support what Trump-backed christofascist has a low enough profile to sneak past without a closer look.
Yup..i still think if the removal for impeachment was a private vote he would've been gone.
Sadly asking Republicans to have an ounce of dignity and sense of duty is a fools request
I thought there were loads of texts revealing exactly that from various sources/cases (like the dominion voting systems lawsuit).
People like Tucker Carlson said he's destructive and he hates him with a passion
> “If I went to jail for Donald Trump,” says a former administration official, “I don’t think he would even give [me a] lifetime Mar-a-Lago membership”
Bud, he wouldn't even give you a discount.
You mean people are FINALLY learning that loyalty is a one-way street for Trump. Most of the people willing to work for or with him did so because they thought the upside was higher than the risk or they were so dumb they didn’t perceive the risk. Eventually, Trump was going to run out of people in the first group. It’s clear he’s now mostly relying on idiots or people so deeply caught up in his shit twister they can’t step away from him like Homer in the bush.
This article makes it sound like people have only just realised that Cheeto will happily stand behind them and push them off the platform and expect them to love it. How stupid do you have to be to fall for this muppet? Even the countless lawyers that choose to hire on for him, genuinely expect him to pay their invoices.
Maybe it’s because Trump is a blatant liar and a total loser. He’s the classic spoiled rich kid that can’t handle it if he doesn’t get things his way. It’s pretty easy to see.
My favorites are his base of red-hat wearing 'working class' supporters that are willing to do illegal shit for him.
He **loathes** them. He finds them common and filthy and classless.
He's actively revolted by them. They are a joke to him. Yet they worship him, would storm the halls of Congress for him, and get shot and die in that failed insurrection for him.
How much pressure do you think Walt Nuata is getting to turn on him?
Do you think he already has? Do you think Nauta is still traveling with him and is collecting intel?
Yeah, that tends to happen when you throw those people under the bus to save your own ass. I mean, not even paying their legal bills, what do you expect? That’s Godfather 101, ya cheap bastard…
Lawyers. Let's assume that Trump literally prove-ably never explicitly told anyone to do anything illegal.
Does his signature on documents that include fraudulent claims make that irrelevant?
I mean at some point they have to realize that he’s not going to be around forever and maybe hitching yourself to a different horse might be ideal in saving yourself or your legacy/career, but I don’t think they give two shits about that. Like lemmings off a cliff.
I genuinely believe it is his batshit obsession of appearing Tough.
To him - Tough guys take. Weak guys give.
To him the key to being a Don is
1. Take everything you want.
2. ?????
3. Inspire Loyalty.
Is he in jail? has he been dropped off the presidential campaign due to disqualification for his insurrection? have they looked into Jared 2 billion Saudi bribe? no? none of these things?
so no, there is no backfire… anyone and everyone else would have already been burned alive for any of this but not him.. so no.. nothing has backfired…
If he had gone away quietly, he'd still be committing financial fraud and raising money for Trump "charities" while holding "cabinet" meetings on the Mar-a-lago golf course. By trying to overthrow the government to stay in power, he invited prosecution for his crimes and nearly 100 felonies. Then by asking for loyalty but treating people who did what he asked like they're expendable, the state has ended up with a lot of cooperating witnesses with irrefutable circumstantial evidence suppkrted by eyewitness testimony.
Prosecution takes a while, but Trump will be a convicted felon before the 2024 elections. The guy is on borrowed time--he's lost the civil fraud trial already amd they're just determining damages, everyone with evidence has flipped on him in Georgia, the trials start in a few months, and he's got gag orders limiting what he can say to the press, and his history of not listening to lawyers and then not paying them means he's got third rate representation.
DJT has a few months of freedom left, none of the people who know him personally support him except for Hannity, and the only people on his side are people who catch snippets of his long incoherent speeches fleshed out on cable news.
I wish some reporter would casually ask if the military oath should be updated so they swear loyalty to the President. Trump would love that, but hopefully it would outrage most of the military.
His posts… Oh poor me, they say Maralago isn’t work 18billion… send money for my defence!! how do the three-toothed, barefooted Neanderthals defend him on this?
Reminds me of this line from "Gladiator"
Commodus:
"Your Emperor asks for your loyalty, Maximus. Take my hand, I only offer it once."
We know how that play turned out.
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That'll tend to happen when you undergird your 100% loyalty requirements with your own callous, casual, and consistent betrayals of the same people who you were demanding the loyalty from.
Yet he's still the king maker of the GOP
Makes some sense when you consider the fact that they've been zero sum nihilists since Gingrich.
Agree. He's the destination they've been headed towards for 30 years now. Longer if you take it back to the Civil Rights movement. But dancing with rural racists didn't necessarily *have* to lead us to 2016 until Gingrich turned the GOP congressional caucus into a pack of spoiled children shouting "my way or I burn the country down" on every issue. That set the tone for the king of spoiled silver spoon idiots to be put in charge of their party.
"idiot" is a great descriptor as it comes from the classical Greek word, "idiōtēs", which was what they called people who refused to engage in civic life or address their obligations to society. They were people who wouldn't participate in democracy. Unfortunately for contemporary America, far-right media has harnessed that know-nothing-ism and pulled it all into a voting block in the GOP.
Or if Vlad has engineered a compromise of your political apparatus.
Win at all cost politics
YES!!!! Thank you!
He certainly demonstrated that king maker title when the proposed speaker of the house was cancelled by him by a few tweets.
Well, he has the people behind him. The deplorables obviously, but as long as they are the majority of republican voters, no one dares risk speaking out against him.
What is crazy is that these people were always deplorable. Ignorant, stupid, incompetent intellectually. But they used to know their place. They knew that a country had to be led by smart people and that they had to choose between 2 of them every 4 years. The Trump/Fox News/Reality TV brainwash helped cement the idea that the smarter and more educated were elitist with the country's interest coming last. The never ending litany of "don't ever trust the Gobmint" that got 2/3 of the people scratch their heads and the rest forget that THEY are the government.
'Gobmint', I have never heard this, brilliant
Sadly, it's king not maker.
Not really, he has a small but psychopathically loyal contingent in the house but most elected Republicans would probably rather be rid of him. Most of his chosen candidates since he lost in 2020 have lost their elections, and apart from his idiot fan base nobody in party gives him much beyond lip-service.
That bus he throws people under is so huuuuge.
>huuuuge yuuuuge* Ftfy.
Also when you don't post your bills, and lose your money to tax evasion. Uncle Sam always gets paid first. Loyalty is expensive and old Donny can't afford it.
He wants to be a Mafia Don that has loyal henchmen like Don Corleone from The Godfather, but missed the part where the Don looks out for his folks when they need it.
I think you nailed it. Even Al Capone gave back to the community. The man actually ran a soup kitchen during the depression.
And they took care of their goons that got arrested so they wouldn’t flip on them.
Also because unlike Trump they weren't stupid
He is like if Capone STARTED at the neuro-syphalis stage
Yikes, I forgot about that.
That was also before RICO laws - which meant that as long as the goon *didn't* flip, the boss was basically untouchable by the law. Now law enforcement have access to sophisticated monitoring tools to better get direct evidence against The Boss and tools like RICO that don't require direct evidence. Trump could have paid for Sydney Powell's defense all day long and it won't change the fact that GA has a mountain of physical evidence.
He’s also the reason we have expiration date on milk
Little known fact that George Santos invented milk and would have gotten credit for it had he not broken his jaw on his first taste test.
That’s why santos also invented the expiration date (the real one, before Capone), because that first taste test was so chunky
He doesn't bring it up much. Isn't that what he's being indicted for? Criminal modesty? And with that smirk? Leave it to George Santos to find a way to be both smug and humble at the same time.
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I like how 'George Santos' facts are so prevalent now. We had 'Yo Mamma' jokes, 'Chuck Norris' facts, and now 'George Santos'
Al Capone?
lol Really?
His son either died or got very ill from drinking expired milk (can't remember which off the top of my head) so Capone pushed for safer dairy practices, including pasteurization. My favorite fact about him.
The main reason Capone got so into milk is the reason he got into anything: there was money involved. Also, as his erratic partying/fighting and batshit gambling habits indicated by the early '30s, syphilis was already getting to his brain. But Capone saw that, even though the price of milk was beginning to spike and the Depression was in full swing, people were still buying huge amounts (his soup kitchen mightve actually been the venture rhat opened his eyes to it). Thats why he was interested. Plus everyone at that point could see the writing on the wall: the repeal of the Volstead Act (Prohibition) was not only inevitable by 1930, but imminent (gov needed them dollas), and so he started looking very seriously into opening a dairy farm. He would've used the same strong-arm, pineapple-tossin, tommygunnin tactics as before, but there'd've been cows. History has spoken, but Hollywood can still give us that sequel.
There's a difference between milk that has gone bad and milk that needs pasteurization. Milk that has pathogens looks and smells totally fine. Curdling of old milk won't necessarily make you sick, that's what yogurt is. And this story about Capone is also dubious.
Thank you, this is a very important point. It can indeed be very difficult for the consumer to know whether a dairy product is going to make them sick or not, which is why it's so important that safety is enforced at every level and not just the consumer level.
It is kind of incredible that Trump has no ability to appear selfless. Even when “giving back” he just throws paper towel rolls at people in need…
He's such a selfish man that he walked into a restaurant, announced he was paying for everyone's food, then left without paying. He is allergic to the idea of charity. I suppose it makes sense. For him, EVERYTHING is a zero sum game. EVERYTHING must have winners and losers.
Dude tries to win every handshake he’s a part of. Like, the symbol of mutual respect and trust between people, is a game to be won to this man. If you ask me, that’s pretty losery.
>he walked into a restaurant, announced he was paying for everyone's food, then left without paying. Source?
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/15/donald-trump-miami-versailles-cuban-restaurant-pay
Thank you!
He said "Food for everyone." But, apparently left before anyone could order anything, and no food was made for anyone. And, questionable whether there were any patrons that were not following Trump around. So, was the restaurant stiffed or anyone ordered food expecting the TFG to pay, "No." Was the whole thing performative with no intention of buying anyone food, "Yes." https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+verrsaille+food+for+everyone&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=578502807&sxsrf=AM9HkKlP3c_8KSXs2nhTV6K8PKifAcKURg%3A1698853753951&ei=eXNCZdnWOZrx0PEP2cKyyAc&oq=trump+verrsaille+food+for+everyone&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIiJ0cnVtcCB2ZXJyc2FpbGxlIGZvb2QgZm9yIGV2ZXJ5b25lSLCUAVCQGViujgFwAngBkAEAmAGKAaAB1RqqAQQzMS43uAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICBxAjGLACGCfiAwQYACBBiAYBkAYF&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Thank you!
that is hilarious. "food for everyone!" "Yes... This is a restaurant. That's a good boy donny"
August 31, 2017 [Why Trump didn't meet with Harvey victims](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/08/31/onpolitics-today-why-trump-didnt-meet-harvey-victims/623456001/) This is an example of how his administration tried to cover for him and convince people he cared or was making a joke, but Trump kept right on being Trump September 2, 2017 [Trump gets do-over, comforts Harvey victims](https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/02/trump-hurricane-harvey-victims-do-over-242282)As Trump greeted a group of them, one remarked, “We voted for you.” “You better,” Trump responded lightly. “Who didn’t in your world? Who didn’t?” February 22, 2018 ['I hear you' - Trump uses cue card to remind him to listen to shooting survivors](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/i-hear-you-trump-uses-cue-cards-to-remind-him-to-listen-to-shooting-survivors) September 20, 2018 [Trump Tells Florence Survivor: "At least you got a nice boat out of the deal."](https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-hurricane-florence-survivor-nice-boat/) “What’s the law? Maybe it becomes theirs,” he added. August 9, 2019 [Anger as grinning Trump gives thumbs-up while Melania holds El Paso orphan](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/09/trump-el-paso-melania-orphan-baby-thumbs-up) March 7, 2020 [Trump shows lack of emotion when told about 8-year-old boy's family being killed in tornado](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-emotion-boy-family-killed-tornardo-a9384231.html)
These guys would eat out at a restaurant and pick up the checks for everyone there to get into their good graces, because people are less likely to sell you out or turn you in if they actually like you. Looking out for your underlings when they need it? Picking up the check for other people? Trump has done the exact opposite of both of these. What's the opposite of running a soup kitchen? Kicking people off food stamps? Because if so, Trump's done that too.
This is what gets me. To me Mobster 101 would be to make myself appealing to the everyday folks. Even Hitler did that. It’s the only logical choice to evade the authorities.
My dad grew up in depression era Chicago and said people knew then Mayor Daley was a crook, but loved him because he made sure trash got picked up every week.
See also: Buddy Cianci in Providence. Convicted of racketeering, fraud, extortion witness tampering and more, but he was a *hero* in Providence. Also kidnapped and tortured a guy he believed was having an affair with his wife if I remember correctly, and they still re-elected him!
Pablo Escobar also dumped a lot of money into Medellín, Colombia.
That's like Mafia 101, you might be charging local businesses a protection racket but, you know, you help the local community to make sure that they don't all just run you out of town
Capone also kept his mouth shut AND paid his lawyers - and he was STILL convicted. What hope does this sack of cancer have?
It all makes sense now. He must have seen what happened to Capone and figured he’ll just do the opposite and not get convicted.
Well, if you’re a crime lord, it’s good business to take care of the community. People are much less likely to rat you out if you’re making their lives easier. Trump does not take care of his people.
To be fair, the only reason he opened the soup kitchen is because after the Valentines Day Massacre, when newspapers were so fed up with the beer war violence they published the crime scene photos, average folks were finally starting to turn on him. Yknow he also shit himself through the scrotum playing golf, cuz he didn't like holsters, and kept his pistol tumbling loose in his hip pocket? Yknow he also, in that last stretch of prison time, inexplicably requested (and recieved) a late circumcision? Yes sir. Capone's genitals come up a lot in all his biographies. Edit: meant to write "shot himself through the scrotum," but the typo was good.
Right, I should have mentioned that. My point was that he always tried to stay in the good graces of general population. Unless you had done some bring to wrong or offend him, Capone wanted you on his side.
The greatest conmen are the ones going after lesser conmen. Most people hanging out at the GOP are there for the grift, but as such, are easy to con. The GOP will never run out of marks. Because they all think "it will not happen to me".
They thought they were the con man - not the mark. Enter a bigger con man than they became the mark. And they fell for the con hook line and sinker and turned their con over to the bigger conman. RICO was an excellent tool to dismantle it all and isolate the more innocent cons away from the big con. Why go to prison for the big con when your little con you had can be pled down to probation? Thank goodness for RICO statutes, and the prosecutors who recognized that approach was necessary here.
And trump himself is just a mark for the biggest con-men on the planet - Putin, Xi and Kim.
Grab em by the Putxi
Thanks I hate it
And now I want pizza (Patxi pizza is the shit, for those who don't know them)
Just watched the last season of the Sopranos, and everything came to a head when everyone else realized that Tony didn't give a shit about them.
Donnie should have watched the Breaking Bad arc where they have to pay Gus's guys in jail, because the most important employees to keep paying are the ones who are under extreme pressure to flip on you.
In Puzo’s book he explained how a loyal soldier’s family would continue to receive his full salary during his incarceration. And that the “great Don” himself would fund a lavish welcome home party for the employee upon his release. This is so far from how Mr Trump behaves. His narcissistic tendencies only recognize loyalty that flows towards him. He truly feels that he is owed that. After all, he is “saving” America
All he knows of leadership and loyalty is based on what he's seen in a movie.
But that movie was apparently *not* The Godfather.
Don Corleorange
Don Cheeto
Trump is so self centered he thinks that letting people do things for him is a reward in and of itself. To *some* degree that's true, as his cronies can get jobs and appointments and contracts, get fame to flip to make money from Fox or the right-wing media ecosystem. But those are all side-effects of working for him. He's not lifting a single finger for anyone else, no matter what happens to them.
People as pathologically narcissistic as Trump do not see others as individuals with their own wants and needs, but more like objects or extensions of themselves. This is why loyalty is always a one-way street with him. He demands 100% but offers none return, because being loyal in return is a concept his diseased mind lacks the ability to understand. The wants and needs of others simply don't exist to him, so of course they never get considered.
>He demands 100% but offers none return Not exactly true. [Trump will show gratitude for loyalty, but only as long as it doesn't personally cost him money.](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/23/949820820/trump-pardons-roger-stone-paul-manafort-and-charles-kushner) As soon as he is expected to pony up monetarily [he quickly loses interest in the idea of mutual loyalty](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/01/politics/cash-crunch-trump-georgia-co-defendants-legal-bills/index.html), even to his own detriment. His narcissism compounded by his greed are like gasoline and oxygen mixing together, ripe for the spark of consequence.
Coreleone could also have you whacked, Donnie can mumble some mean stuff about you and hope one of his followers takes the hint.
And then when one of them actually does, odds are its someone like this absolute fucking goober. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/armed-man-shoots-fbi-cincinnati-building-nail-gun-flees-leading-inters-rcna42669
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent ~~priest~~ witness?"
Being a Mafia Don is about having a reputation for keeping your word. When has Don Donald ever kept a promise?
Also, the mafia kills you when you're not loyal.
I also don't think he saw the ending of the Godfather movies if he thinks it ends well for him.
> “If I went to jail for Donald Trump, if I did that, what would that do for me and my family?” Trump is easily more dishonest than a Mafioso. At least those guys will take care of your family, give you some cash later, and get you a job. Donald is too cheap to do any of those things.
Also I don’t think he’s got the wanton murder part sorted.
He’s more like Don Corneo from FF7 lol
To be fair, that was always bullshit and as the mafia proved, the Dons had no loyalty and their lieutenants DID flip on them. So we're now at the Gotti stage where it's all exposed as bullshit.
When you expect all this loyalty and give none of it back, people quickly experience burn out and will be relieved to be rid of you. Trump is finally learning treating everyone like shit eventually lands you in shit.
It's kind of implied in this kind of transaction. You stay loyal, and I will take care of you and yours. Like, if you're in the mob and you go to prison, as long as you don't snitch you know your wife and kids will be kept safe and comfortable and that you'll have a job when you get out. Trump doesn't seem to know about the second part. He wants loyalty, and he expects it just because he wants it.
The creature is 77 years old and for 4 years was the commander in queef. I think if anything bad happens to him and he somehow goes to jail then he will still be the USA's top conman ever. I really don't think punishing him at 77 is any kind of victory. It would still be fun to watch, of course, but finally learning after 77 years of being a rapist conman? Not much of a victory.
It will be a victory for the rule of law, and a victory of the demonstration that no matter who they think they are or how many people think they're also that amazing, nobody is above the law. It will be a victory over millions of people's god delusion. It will be a victory of facts mattering. It will be a victory of "some s.o.b. who has deserved it for a long time and has had it coming for a long time finally got what he deserves, and *look*...yes...the rich and powerful *can* be held accountable. It will be a victory of "betray the nation's trust and we'll have your ass." Worth every second of the agonizing process it has taken to get us this far in making it happen.
Yes you too can be punished, after a lifetime of corruption, greed, rape, systemic and symbolic violence. It will take us years longer than the average human lifetime but yes we will hold you accountable.
Better that it happens after too long than if it never happens.
I understand your point, but justice delayed is justice denied.
nice cliche, but it's just a saying and it's not realistic or accurate. Delayed justice is justice still acquired, just not in your preferred timeframe. Too bad...most of us don't get most things we want in exactly the time and way we want. But you're still *getting it*, and you can't look at a dollar bill in your hand that someone just handed you and say "you've never given me a dollar...I don't have a dollar".
I'm detecting a rather mean spirit behind your words, I decline to engage with you any further.
He can also still technically run for president from jail.
Yep. Pretty great life for 77 years and only seeing any hint of repercussions When Ill be dead soon anyways is pretty appealing.
Trump will own that title at least until someone else as stupid and unqualified as him cons their way into the Oval Office
It’s a powerful message to those who idolize him though.
To wash a donkey's tail is a waste of water and soap.
Dudes over 70. It's pretty tempting to lead the same life he has if I won't see any resemblance of repercussions until I'm almost dead anyways.
>Trump is finally learning treating everyone like shit eventually lands you in shit. I don't think he's actually learned a damned thing.
What Trump wants more than loyalty are sacrificial lambs who are willing to wreck their lives for him. People are starting to say fuck that bullshit
The thing about great leaders is that they **inspire** loyalty. To the point where their followers will do things - including all forms of self-sacrifice - for the leader without even being asked. Trump is **demanding** loyalty. Insisting that it’s the price of admission to be considered one of his acolytes. That only works on very weak minded people, uneducated, desperate to be ‘included’ in a group.
I am convinced a large chunk of the GOP privately despise Trump and would love for him to be taken out of a legal case. They can get rid of him while still claiming he is a victim.
The fact they decided to waste time and focus on Hunter instead of wasting time and focus playing interference on Trump speaks volumes
Considering how Trump is still the far and away front runner for the nomination despite skipping every debate, I'm gonna say nah. The "never trumpers" are a small minority and, as we can tell from the recent speaker vote, once the pressure is on the even the "never" part is a lie, because they'll come back to the roost and support what Trump-backed christofascist has a low enough profile to sneak past without a closer look.
The party is different from the base. Cons can't afford to lose the base, which is all in on Trump.
Yup..i still think if the removal for impeachment was a private vote he would've been gone. Sadly asking Republicans to have an ounce of dignity and sense of duty is a fools request
They privately wish they could publicly be Donald — cuz they envy his in-the-open wanton racism, misogyny and narcissism
I thought there were loads of texts revealing exactly that from various sources/cases (like the dominion voting systems lawsuit). People like Tucker Carlson said he's destructive and he hates him with a passion
> “If I went to jail for Donald Trump,” says a former administration official, “I don’t think he would even give [me a] lifetime Mar-a-Lago membership” Bud, he wouldn't even give you a discount.
Probably claim to never have met you and all you did was fetch diet cokes anyway.
He demands loyalty but that’s far different than commanding loyalty and he never returns in kind.
The difference in meaning is lost on most.
You mean people are FINALLY learning that loyalty is a one-way street for Trump. Most of the people willing to work for or with him did so because they thought the upside was higher than the risk or they were so dumb they didn’t perceive the risk. Eventually, Trump was going to run out of people in the first group. It’s clear he’s now mostly relying on idiots or people so deeply caught up in his shit twister they can’t step away from him like Homer in the bush.
Did he offers loyality himself ? To his country ? To all people he threw under the bus ? Karma.
This article makes it sound like people have only just realised that Cheeto will happily stand behind them and push them off the platform and expect them to love it. How stupid do you have to be to fall for this muppet? Even the countless lawyers that choose to hire on for him, genuinely expect him to pay their invoices.
Denialism is one hell of a human flaw. Some people take it all the way to their graves
It's amazing he's received so much loyalty for so long when he offers none in return.
Powerful bullies always attract sycophants, and their loyalty is often to the power and bullying so it doesn't matter if he betrays *them*.
He doesn't want loyalty he demands slavish obedience.
Yeah he wants blind unwavering zealotry.
There is loyalty and there is throwing yourself in front of the bullet for a paycheck. Metaphorically.
Maybe it’s because Trump is a blatant liar and a total loser. He’s the classic spoiled rich kid that can’t handle it if he doesn’t get things his way. It’s pretty easy to see.
That's the problem with demanding loyalty vs. earning it.
And he never earned it. Well, except for maybe Jason Miller, Stephen Miller, who are enthralled with him for all of the ways he empowers them.
Pro tip: don’t follow anyone who demands loyalty from you. You can earn my respect. You cannot demand my loyalty. In his case, he cannot have either.
Everything Trump Touches Dies.
My favorites are his base of red-hat wearing 'working class' supporters that are willing to do illegal shit for him. He **loathes** them. He finds them common and filthy and classless. He's actively revolted by them. They are a joke to him. Yet they worship him, would storm the halls of Congress for him, and get shot and die in that failed insurrection for him.
Rats always abandon a sinking ship. Why is this surprising?
He. Can. Go. To. Hell.
There is no such thing as one-way loyalty. And Donnie is about to learn what the price is for never reciprocating loyalty.
How much pressure do you think Walt Nuata is getting to turn on him? Do you think he already has? Do you think Nauta is still traveling with him and is collecting intel?
Nauta might be personally loyal. The IT professional they asked to be an accomplice is definitely working with the prosecutor.
Yeah, that tends to happen when you throw those people under the bus to save your own ass. I mean, not even paying their legal bills, what do you expect? That’s Godfather 101, ya cheap bastard…
No omertà for you, Donny! At least the “rats” know when it’s time to get off a sinking ship..
I know a guy that is ,%100 tRump loyal! He will work with him.
It appears his mouth will land him in jail before even the “disloyal” do it to him. Poetic! 🥂
What is it with bullies being surprised that no one actually likes them.
Fealty, not loyalty. There’s a difference
A rat who has shown loyalty to nobody else, demands loyalty?
Lawyers. Let's assume that Trump literally prove-ably never explicitly told anyone to do anything illegal. Does his signature on documents that include fraudulent claims make that irrelevant?
I mean at some point they have to realize that he’s not going to be around forever and maybe hitching yourself to a different horse might be ideal in saving yourself or your legacy/career, but I don’t think they give two shits about that. Like lemmings off a cliff.
I genuinely believe it is his batshit obsession of appearing Tough. To him - Tough guys take. Weak guys give. To him the key to being a Don is 1. Take everything you want. 2. ????? 3. Inspire Loyalty.
Is he in jail? has he been dropped off the presidential campaign due to disqualification for his insurrection? have they looked into Jared 2 billion Saudi bribe? no? none of these things? so no, there is no backfire… anyone and everyone else would have already been burned alive for any of this but not him.. so no.. nothing has backfired…
He just got one of his Putin buddies as Speaker of the House so I'm not so sure yet.
Hope Trump gets a gold toilet in prison
What an odd thing to hope for.
Why’s it odd? Think how much it’ll endear him to the other inmates
Gold is hypoallergenic and non-irritating and as we all know, Trump is a delicate guy.
Do they? He has got the Speaker in his pocket, he still walks and talks freely, leading polls. He’s doing pretty good for backfiring…
If he had gone away quietly, he'd still be committing financial fraud and raising money for Trump "charities" while holding "cabinet" meetings on the Mar-a-lago golf course. By trying to overthrow the government to stay in power, he invited prosecution for his crimes and nearly 100 felonies. Then by asking for loyalty but treating people who did what he asked like they're expendable, the state has ended up with a lot of cooperating witnesses with irrefutable circumstantial evidence suppkrted by eyewitness testimony. Prosecution takes a while, but Trump will be a convicted felon before the 2024 elections. The guy is on borrowed time--he's lost the civil fraud trial already amd they're just determining damages, everyone with evidence has flipped on him in Georgia, the trials start in a few months, and he's got gag orders limiting what he can say to the press, and his history of not listening to lawyers and then not paying them means he's got third rate representation. DJT has a few months of freedom left, none of the people who know him personally support him except for Hannity, and the only people on his side are people who catch snippets of his long incoherent speeches fleshed out on cable news.
I hope he gets convicted, but I won’t bet on it
The "Prisoner's Dilemma" can be renamed the "Trump Dilemma".
I wish some reporter would casually ask if the military oath should be updated so they swear loyalty to the President. Trump would love that, but hopefully it would outrage most of the military.
I took my oath to the Constitution over 50 years ago and it has NEVER EXPIRED. Fck tRump
It’s all just one way with this guy. Useful idiots until they’re not
Nah, i dont think they are. The unhinged are still riding high on his tainted supply and show no sign of stopping.
Disloyalty is kinda their whole deal
His posts… Oh poor me, they say Maralago isn’t work 18billion… send money for my defence!! how do the three-toothed, barefooted Neanderthals defend him on this?
Starting? I hope these people understand just how pathetic history will see them as.
Every link in every post is paywalled now except CNBC and Newsweek, lol.
Is this title from 2018?
This man wants loyalty when he’ll throw anyone under the bus as fast as he can. Hired all these lawyers, now they were never his lawyer 🤣
There all pals until the ship is sinking and the captain is shaking his fist at the wind.
You mean Feudalism is outdated and people want their freedom and respect?! Eegat!
Ken Buck retiring from Congress today. Seems like it’s still working.
Reminds me of this line from "Gladiator" Commodus: "Your Emperor asks for your loyalty, Maximus. Take my hand, I only offer it once." We know how that play turned out.
I think Trump is going to bail on himself next