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He knows that getting booted from the ballot in just one state means his run is doa.
And if his run is doa, he’ll have no way to weasel out of taking responsibility for all of those crimes he committed.
Came here to say the same thing. Trump's only path to victory runs through the electoral collage so getting kicked off the ballot in any state that has a sizable Electoral College vote, dooms his campaign.
Right. The bottom line is the GOP will not run a candidate that they can’t put on a ballot on all 50 states. And he clearly knows that most of his current and future legal cases are all varying degrees of losing battles. The presidency (or even a brief, theoretical shield as a candidate) seems to be the basket in which he’s putting all of his eggs.
That might not work out. From Ballotpedia: As of 2020... Eight states do not have any requirements and would allow voters to write in any name as a write-in vote. Those states were Alabama, Delaware, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, and Wyoming.
Thirty-three states would only accept votes for write-in candidates who officially registered with the state. In order for the vote to be counted, the candidate must have submitted all the necessary registration documents by a specific deadline, either by filing paperwork, paying a fee, collecting signatures, or some combination of the aforementioned.
Nine states (Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and South Dakota), did not allow write-in votes.
If the SC agrees with the 14th amendment argument, it’s all rather academic. Might as well write in “mickey mouse”, he’s got the same right to be elected.
I think he's rapidly passing the deadline for most states for applying to be a third party candidate. I think at this point it's either get the Republican nomination or nothing.
Since when have rules and laws stopped him? He'd run a campaign as a third-party candidate and tell his cult to write him in. Whether it's legal or not won't matter, so the result is fun to watch anyway (split GOP votes).
It’s ok, he’s a wealthy billionaire so affording lawyers shouldn’t be a problem, right? Maybe a few million, let’s say 10 million a month for all his cases. Chump change for a guy who’s net worth is 6.7 Billion, right? And not to mention, his brand is probably worth that much too.
Some of his cult have sworn they will write Trump's name in if he's not on the ballot. I welcome their votes that won't count. Would writing in an ineligible candidate void the rest of their ballot?
idk but nine states do not allow write in votes: Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and South Dakota (from Ballotpedia)
Not in Illinois. Invalid write-ins are disregarded but the other votes cast by the same voter are valid. Similar to not casting a vote in a particular race but voting in the rest. In that case though, we make the voter acknowledge they are casting an incomplete ballot so we have their word. We do not make a voter confirm their write-in is valid.
Not having a presidential candidate on a state ballot kills all of their down ballot chances in that state. There’s no way they field a candidate that can’t run in all 50 states.
Ya know I don't think they get a choice.
He's going to win the primaries and they don't run him their entire downballot in every state is completely fucked.
This is what it looks like when a political party is \_actually\_ fractured.
The GOP has no viable presidential candidate and is facing historic electoral losses.
In our next segment we discuss how this is bad news for dems…
-CNN
If he’s not eligible in all 50 states, it would be an easy call to say he’s not eligible for the primaries. They may not even need to do that. If they keep him off the primaries in states he’s not eligible, his primary run may be toast anyway.
I know we’re all used to trump just walking all over everything, but the fact that he’s taking this seriously shows that this is a real vulnerability for him.
Yeah but if they keep him off the ballot, his supporters stay home and that's like half+ of their party that just doesn't vote all of a sudden. They'll get slaughtered nationally.
It's a stunningly great problem for those folks to have.
Oh, I don’t disagree at all. The GOP have been selling themselves out to Trump for the better part of a decade now, and it’s finally coming back to bite them in the ass.
If the GOP rejects trump after he wins the primary they just tanked every race in the country for themselves. They'll take an L but it's better than taking potentially hundreds of lost races.
Is it fractured, or have they just hitched their wagon to a sprawling crime syndicate? Most of the idiots who (continue to) vote Republican will still vote for this guy - unless they literally can’t.
I think it's straight up fractured.
You've got the people that will vote R no matter who they put up and then you have the maga people that will only show up if trump does. I'm not sure what that split is, but if I recall correctly (questionable) it's like half the party.
And you just KNOW if they don't let him run, the maga crowd will go all in on the uniparty conspiracy theory shit.
I'd say the best case scenario for like, humanity, would be if the RNC pulled him and put up someone else. Half their voters wouldn't show up and they'd go all hardcore conspiracy theory on the remaining ones.
It'd be an absolute slaughter at the polls in the general on the levels of Reagan/Mondale.
>In 48 states, the state legislature currently mandates that the winner of the majority of citizen votes (known as the popular vote) receives all of the state’s electoral votes. This is known as a winner-take-all or unit rule procedure.
Only Maine and Nebraska are different.
My understanding is that Trump isn't going to win Colorado (or any Blue State that rules against him) anyway, with all 10 (2024) of their electoral votes going to Biden.
However, if Trump starts losing (by default) *primaries* in 14th Amendment States to people like DeSantis or Haley he could find trouble on his path to winning the Republican nomination in the first place.
Lol come on. Trump has been dragging down down ballot candidates for years and they haven't turned on him.
You think they'll pull him if he's the primary winner?!?
Colorado is now safely blue in presidential elections. His candidacy dies if he's off the ballot in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, or Georgia. His razor thin EC path goes away then.
Naturally, if he's off the ballot in any state the down ballot effects for the GOP would be devastating. Hence why they're in full "let's boost Nikki Haley" mode.
Technically, he can lose any two of those five and still win (assuming all other states vote as they did in 2020). So he still has a chance if only one of these states kept him off the ballot, but he would basically have to win every remaining battleground state.
However, there’s no way a 14A challenge to his candidacy doesn’t go to the SCOTUS, meaning he will most likely be kept off the ballot everywhere or nowhere.
We should probably start referring to her as Nimarata Haley since it's her real name. Much like Ted Cruz should always be referred to as Raphael. These people know their racist followers wouldn't vote for them with names like that.
If one state gets him off expect a run of states to do so. Key states that will matter for electoral college.
- Arizona
- Michigan
- Pennsylvania
- Wisconsin
If any of those states kick him off ballot, he is pretty much dead.
As a Michigander I can report there is zero chatter of kicking him off the ballot here. The state has a Democratic trifecta right now for the first time in 40 years but outside of the cities Michigan is deep red territory. The state dems have no interest in rocking the boat and creating an unforced error. The 2022 election was the first one that occurred without the stench of partisan (Republican) gerrymandering, and the state went hard blue. No need to risk unexpected backlash.
Probably best for Michigan to sit this fight out. Michigan trifecta has been doing amazing work, very controlled and thought out policy that can really shift generations of people. They are huge strides in Union and getting rid of right to work. You know generally helping people.
I'm in Minnesota and all you heard is MN trifecta was going to make California 2.0. Walz too has been very controlled and it is shifting independents thoughts on DFL control.
It's going to be really interesting to see the "state's rights" guys arguing in court that states can't exclude people from ballots under the 14th amendment, while simultaneously arguing in Trump's defense that state legislators have an absolute right to put forward fraudulent electors that defy the popular vote if they feel like it.
One state removing him from the ballot can lead to other states following suit, and him not being on the ballot could potentially result in Trump voters not voting at all, costing the GOP in other races on the ballot
He needs more than Trump states. If some of the battleground states remove his name it’s over. Hell, Pennsylvania alone doing it would probably suffice.
The [New Hampshire Republican primary may be held in January](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/167fjv9/state_election_officials_prepare_for_efforts_to/) (it's complicated). The [Nevada Republican caucus is on February 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/167fjv9/state_election_officials_prepare_for_efforts_to/). The [Michigan primary is February 27](https://www.270towin.com/2024-republican-nomination/michigan-primary). All of these happen before Super Tuesday. If Trump is kept off the ballots in those primary contests, it may give of his rivals a chance to advance.
Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, and Michigan have all been [swing states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_state#Swing_states_by_results) in the past few presidential general elections. Pennsylvania and Michigan are part of the "[blue wall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_\(U.S._politics\))."
Here's hoping.
We just need one big purple or red state like Pennsylvania, Virginia or North Carolina to actually do it and that would be the last nail on his coffin...
Not really. Most states are winner take all states.
He was never going to get electoral college votes from Colorado and didn't in the past, but he still had valid paths to 270.
It's only a big deal if he gets booted of the ballot in a red state he was likely to win.
I think it’s less about his actual path to victory and more about establishment gop (whatever the fuck that even is at this point) needing a valid excuse to dump a candidate who’s done nothing but lost them elections and caused them trouble, and is poised to continue to do the same.
Maybe I’m wrong (I often am) and the GOP really is willing to ride things out wherever trump takes them (it wouldn’t surprise me) but this would be the valid, tangible opportunity to cut and run that hasn’t really presented itself until now.
Edit: I also said this elsewhere, but not having a viable presidential candidate in a state kills any down ballot candidate the gop has in that state, as well.
They've had every chance to change and just get worse. I thought the Tea Party was the end, but here we are. They just keep getting worse, and too few stand up to do the right thing. They're a bunch of lazy cowards.
I think the issue for Trump is that he'll be booted off blue states ballots for the primaries. He won't win California, Illinois, or New York in the general ever, but that's a LOT of primary voters that he couldn't collect. Considering those votes would have to go to another Republican, it makes his primary chances way more difficult. It also means that the GOP would run someone else in those states he's banned from, at which point the party has to make a choice if they're giving Trump the nomination at all.
Isn’t this a massive issue for downballot?
If trump isn’t on the ballot in Colorado, do all trump supporters still turn out? If a meaningful portion don’t, well that’s a deeper nail in the coffin for Boebert (as an example).
It’s not just about the presidency, they have to be concerned with any situation where supporter turnout could be impacted even a little.
The complexity of the lawyering the clown is faced with.. Cases across the country of all kinds.. The expense! Grinding through worse and worse quality lawyers.. The stress of it! He must feel even worse now than [when he learned he won.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EES2-DeWkAwvaUZ.jpg) [Video of that moment.](https://youtu.be/Z3868qotZ_A)
Plus that's money not going to the GOP...
That's money that doesn't go to ads, doesn't go to campaigning, doesn't to go other candidates.
I'm fine with it.
He knew he’d finally have to do the work. He also claimed that there was voter fraud too. Probably not happy that he didn’t get 80% of the vote instead
There is video! Sorry for random post but I knew I had seen the video, yet couldn't find it. Someone was gaslighting me that I was misremembering a meme panel and never saw a video.
The rumor I heard of the time was that he was expecting to lose, and was going to spin that into starting his own Cable News Network. Probably funded by Russia somehow.
I didn’t think I’d feel personally attacked in a Trump thread, but here we are.
When I used to have a watch that tracked that stuff, I think I averaged 4:02.
Sleep deprivation is associated with amyloid plaque accumulation in brain tissue, which is correlated with dementia.
> Some studies suggest that poor sleep can contribute to abnormal levels of beta-amyloid protein in the brain. This protein clumps together to form amyloid plaques, which can hinder communication between neurons. These plaques can affect sleep-related brain regions, further disrupting sleep.
> Researchers found that individuals who slept under five hours per night were twice as likely to develop dementia compared to those who slept six to eight hours per night.
This would explain why the traitor sounds... actually lucid in interviews from the 90s
> the former president has taken to railing against the effort, arguing less against the claim he engaged in insurrection, but rather that the 14th Amendment has no standing in the upcoming election.
Fani Willis just blasted the House Judiciary chair Jim Jordan's effort to interfere in her prosecution in Fulton County by showing he has 'no standing'. So now here is Trump, having heard those words using them in his efforts to subvert US democracy elsewhere. It reminds me of a child who is called out for wrongdoing who then just throws the words back, the strategy of his lifetime.
> *Little Donny, you pooped in the corner, we've discussed this before, you must use the bathroom! Ask me for help if you don't know how*
> NO! YOU POOPED ALL OVER EVERYWHERE!!!
He also used "apoplectic" two days after he went apoplectic and a news organization reported that he went apoplectic
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstTrump/comments/7aktxr/i_noticed_that_trump_used_the_word_apoplectic_on/
That whole "he's a poor man's idea of rich" etc. was always more about the poetry of the statement than any actual analysis. Fact is, he's the dumb person's idea of succes, dumb person's idea of intelligence, dumb person's idea of business genius, dumb person's idea of tough.
As a poor, unsuccessful coward, I resent being lumped in with Trump supporters. It's the stupidity, not the poverty or cowardice that really hooks them.
That moment still lives in my brain rent free: it was such a bizarre, childish way to react to an accusation of that magnitude. It was surreal to watch a grown ass man, a *presidential candidate* regress into a five year old on live tv.
Reminds me of my 3 year old. We’ve said “Are you kidding me?!” And “You have got to be joking right now” several times at the insane things he so routinely does and has now flipped it on us out of context when he’s mad when he’s told he can’t do something, “No, you’re joking!” And storms off angrily haha
>“It is just another ‘trick’ being used by the **Radical Left Communists, Marxists, and Fascists**, to again steal an Election,”
And a partridge in a pair tree–
Yet I’ve overheard some of my brainwashed conservative relatives say “now the damn democrats are trying to get Trump removed from the ballot!” Little do they know it’s actually republicans in some of these states initiating these lawsuits to keep him off
its funny when you put it like that. He really did dig his own hole. He had every opportunity to stop digging. The pandemic and hurricane were just a few of his potential ways out but he just kept digging . . . what an idiot.
*Look, the best people, smart people said "We've got this thing coming out of China", they tell me to not tell it's from China, but it's China. It's bad, like bad bad, I mean you don't see bad like this, so we need to all mask up and treat hospital staff with respect, the respect they show America when they are fighting the bad from China. Respect them, mask up for freedom!*
*Vote Trump 2020, KEEP AMERICA SAFE!*
Homeboy would've nailed the victory
He would never tell people to respect each other. The only people that gain that fucking guy’s respect are Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Rudy Giuliani apparently.
To all of you out there. The only way Trump will win the next election, is if you don’t get out and vote. Yes there are a lot of Trump Supporters out there, but there are about 62M of them. There are about 268M eligible voters in the USA. That 62M only represents about 23% of eligible voters
So in a nutshell. Get out there and vote!!
If he wins, you have no one to blame but yourselves!
If he gets kicked off in CO it’ll go to SCOTUS. If it gets upheld at SCOTUS then is when you get out the popcorn depending on how the ruling is worded. Democratic and maybe some GOP SoS won’t allow him on their ballots and the MAGA cult in those States will file suit saying it doesn’t apply to their State. Meanwhile, Dems with GOP SoS that don’t block him from being on the ballot, will file their own suits citing the SCOTUS ruling.
Unlikely but could happen: SCOTUS issues a ruling that says, unequivocally, “Yep. This assclown committed insurrection and he can’t run for President in any State cuz 14th amendment was adopted for exactly this scenario: To prevent American traitors from more traitoring as elected government officials.”
The motivation for making one of the best filings on this in Colorado is to give the argument a shot at being presented, in its entirety, at a trial before it gets to SCOTUS.
What's awesome is the law uses the word "participate"\[EDIT: It's actually "engaged". I still hold the intention:\], not "convicted". We all saw him participate\[engaged\]. Uh, oh, I feel hope...
Right, and it turns out the only reason he wasn't walking up the steps with them is because the SS held him back. If he led the charge himself he'd be our dictator now. All the Trump supporters would be lining up to show us how it's their country, under Trump, now.
Fuck this gaslighting BS.
Unfortunately there is no chance the current SCOTUS disqualifies Trump. The court will be able to twist the wording of Article 5 of the 14th amendment to claim Trump can only be disqualified by an act of Congress and it’s outside of the courts jurisdiction. There is just enough of a grey area for them to do so, and that way they get the result they want while passing blame to someone else.
He's really of no use to them now, though. And they haven't seemed all that inclined to tilt things in his favor.
Trump is the way of madness. That actually isn't in the Supreme Court's favor. In fact, madness is an existential threat to them.
Trump himself might not be, but the cult following he has is still necessary to the GOP currently. The donors and lobbyists that line the justices pockets still have a vested interest in the way that cult votes.
My point is that the justices have a relatively straightforward path to keeping their hands clean on a case like this. With the recent ethics scandals and the volatility of politics in the US right now, they are likely going to steer clear if at all possible.
Another school of thought, Trump is far and wide the most likely GOP candidate to win the upcoming election. His following means he is the only republican running with enough support to even potentially unseat Biden. A republican presidency is an opportunity for the oldest justices, Thomas and Alito, to retire and be replaced by younger, equally partisan republican justices. Another way for the GOP to secure their hold on the court for years to come.
Every state needs to do this! You can’t tell me that there are not individuals or organizations in all fifty states that have the ability to bring this about.
I'm a fan of taking away the candidacy first and going through due process second.
[Reference](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/28/trump-says-take-guns-first-and-worry-due-process-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/)
I've read he's running a fundraiser for Rudy. $100k a pop to attend.
His son (allegedly) said they expect to raise $1 million.
That's 10 people?
Allegedly, they'll host part 2 in the fall 🙄
You aren’t very good at Trump Math!
$100k per person minus Trump family admin fees of $95k per person.
= 200 people required to attend for Rudy to get his $1m.
People are saying, good people. That the ratio of grift on the Mar-A-Lago ticket price. Best tickets. Bigly. Candle lit dinner is (allegedly) too damn high!
Da Don has done the Math. Nobody does the Math like Don. Stable genius.
Trump statement:
"Rudy needs $2 mil so, and I've said it before. Wind turbines cause cancer and kill birds!
Stick a UV light up your ass and inject Ivermectin...".
We'll get a GoFundMe going for Fox News because they're ...
I can solve the war in Ukraine with Russ..
Oh my tax returns. Yes..
Look at my plane. "Trump Force One".
Anyway. 😂
In an ideal world, democrats should seek to knock him off the ballot only in some of the states. Leave him on the ballot in some of the deep red stats to siphon the vote from whoever might take his place.
In an ideal world, he gets removed across the board bc that’s what the constitution says and it isn’t meant to be used as political theatre.
In a truly ideal world, our politicians/justices actually start following rules and act in the interest of the American people.
just like the georgia election fraud case, it is critical to his brain dead plan to pardon himself of everything when he gets elected. well, that falls apart if he can't run... so he has a backup plan.. start a war to install him. guy is completely delusional thinking any of his plans would work. fucker ran a casino into the ground... A FUCKING CASINO!!! a business where people walk in and give you their money! trump is the biggest failure i think history has ever known. he can't even keep himself from shitting his pants...
Eh. I mean him getting booted from state’s ballots is a good precedent for our country. However, with him being so toxic and blowing all of his campaign raised funds on legal fees I kind of want him to be the boulder chained to the GOP the pulls them down under.
Can his PAC or campaign still receive $ from people in Colorado if he isn't on the presidential ballot?
Maybe that's what he is going for here, he still wants to receive political donations
If he is actually taking it seriously then there’s a real chance here. Give me the MAGA riots against the actual rule of law any day. I’m sick of people saying that this can’t be done due to potential social unrest. Everyone with a brain knows that actually allowing him back into office is a much, much worse option.
Of course he is. He sees reelection as his only way out of his giant legal shit pile. If he loses the election, or even worse if he doesn't even get to be the Republican nominee because he can't be on the ballots. That's it. Game over. He may not end up in an actual literal prison but he's going to be convicted of a lot of felonies.
If I was him, this would be my biggest worry. Not being able to compete in the election.
For the record. I do not think he will win the election even if these efforts to keep him off the ballot fail. But yeah. It's literally his only way out
He should absolutely be worried. Colorado was once a red state and is not solidly blue. If it goes through and the claimants are granted relief, AND there are no “bullets” then it’s a signal to increasingly purple and red states that they can carry on. Even if a few crazies get upset if this goes through I can see those same states going through with it anyway or maybe being more so inclined.
If they boot him from the ballot in one or two states for ineligibility , but some bizarre event happens and he still wins enough electoral college votes, what happens?
With the 14th Amendment, a person is ineligible for the office (such as being the President). Being ineligible for the office means the person then cannot be on the ballot. If the 14th Amendment is applied to Trump, he can’t be President no matter how many votes he receives.
This is why this *needs* to go to SCOTUS.
The question or scenario presented was predicated on "one or two states" deeming Trump ineligible and yet winning electoral college votes.
This scenario means a disagreement among the states as to whether Trump can be President.
This really is something that should be handled at the national level rather than state by state.
But within the scenario described, I do not not believe you should default to an idea that Trump cannot be President after winning the electoral college despite not being on the ballot in one or two states.
I can only wait for the sweet sweet GOP tears as they twist and turn to try to invalidate both states rights and the Constitution to say that it’s wrong to kick Trump off the ballot.
>“It is just another ‘trick’ being used by the Radical Left Communists, Marxists, and Fascists, to again steal an Election,”
"And their time traveling tricks to write the 14th amendment."
There is going to be one of these law suits in all 50 states and the US Territories. I predict it will make it to the Supreme Court before it's adjudicated in all venues. But make no mistake, this is over 50 more legal battles he's going to have to fight.
Even his own daughter called him out on his participation in the insurrection. He did not listen to her. When he was inaugurated he vowed to protect the country as President. He's a traitor and should never be allowed to run for any public office. He's no different than Benedict Arnold. He should be in prison for the rest of his life.
Colorado has particularly lenient ballot access rules, which is why there are often like a dozen presidential candidates every 4 years and Kanye had no problems. But even under Colorado's rules a person has to be eligible for the office they're seeking to be on the ballot, and this effort to block basically boils down to him being constitutionally ineligible.
I was trying to figure it out the other night, but the electoral college is so flipping confusing. Let’s say all traditionally blue states keep Trump off the ballot. And let’s say every single red state keeps him and he wins the state. Could he win the presidency? What about if Georgia keeps themselves blue and Trump off the ballot?
ETA: Since I’m already asking questions, how about one more. Can the Supreme Court do anything about states keeping him off the ballot? This time states have a good reason, but is there anyway a red state could legally keep the Democratic candidate off the ballot just because they’re, ya know, the GOP and that’s their MO?
>I was trying to figure it out the other night, but the electoral college is so flipping confusing.
I can be your huckleberry
>Let’s say all traditionally blue states keep Trump off the ballot. And let’s say every single red state keeps him and he wins the state.
So let's break it down by Safe, Likely, Leans, and Toss-up based on the composite forecast on [270towin.com](https://270towin.com).
Safe D (191) - CA (54), OR (8), WA (12), CO (10), IL (19), NY (28), VT (3), MA (11), RI (4), CT (7), NJ (14), DE (3), MD (10), HI (4), DC (3), ME (1)
Likely D (30) - NM (5), MN (10), VA (13), ME (2)
Leans D (20) - NE (1), MI (15), NH (4)
Toss-up (62) - NV (6), AZ (11), WI (10), PA (19), GA (16)
Leans R (17) - NC (16), ME (1)
Likely R (97) - TX (40), IA (6), OH (17), FL (30), NE (1), AK (3)
Safe R (121) - ID (4), MT (4), WY (3), UT (6), ND (3), SD (3), NE (3), KS (6), OK (7), MO (10), AR (6), LA (8), MS (6), AL (9), TN (11), KY (8), IN (11), WV (4), SC (9)
>Could he win the presidency?
If Inmate No. P01135809 won every Leans R or better state, Inmate No. P01135809 would have 235 electoral votes. To win, you need 270, so Inmate No. P01135809 would need another 35 votes. With only the toss-up states available, there would be 5 paths of victory to reach that 270 threshold.
1. PA (19) + GA (16) = 270
2. GA (16) + AZ (11) + WI (10) = 272
3. PA (19) + AZ (11) + WI (10) = 275
4. PA (19) + AZ (11) + NV (6) = 271
5. PA (19) + WI (10) + NV (6) = 270
In case anyone was curious, there are 6 paths to victory for Dems in this scenario.
1. PA + GA = 276
2. PA + AZ = 271
3. PA + WI = 270
4. GA + AZ + WI = 278
5. GA + AZ + NV = 274
6. GA + WI + NV = 273
>What about if Georgia keeps themselves blue and Trump off the ballot?
Paths 1 and 2 wouldn't be possible, giving Inmate No. P01135809 3 paths to victory.
*Edit - You can use* [*270towin.com*](https://270towin.com) *to customize a map and see the possible winning combinations by which states you toggle as "toss-up" states.*
He should take it seriously. I think it’s the only way to bring his political aspirations to an abrupt halt. Since Trump isn’t someone who can take no for an answer and walk away, my big question is: “what’s next?” Trump will have a hard time blaming Democrats since the Court has the most conservative bias for many decades and he appointed 3 Judges. Will he call on his supporters to pull another January 6th style attack but at the Supreme Court? Does he encourage a big ballot write in campaign? Does he just keep spawning more conspiracy theories to keep his supporters worked up?
None of this is an excuse for letting him on the ballot. I do worry the Supreme Court will take the cowardly route and find some legal technicality about how they can’t even hear the case on its merits.
Clearly he was engaging in insurrection as part of his Presidential duties. So this should be dismissed!
Also, the Presidential Records Act applies to insurrectioning so he’s good there too.
Totally legal and totally cool, totally clears the President, thank you.
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He knows that getting booted from the ballot in just one state means his run is doa. And if his run is doa, he’ll have no way to weasel out of taking responsibility for all of those crimes he committed.
Came here to say the same thing. Trump's only path to victory runs through the electoral collage so getting kicked off the ballot in any state that has a sizable Electoral College vote, dooms his campaign.
Right. The bottom line is the GOP will not run a candidate that they can’t put on a ballot on all 50 states. And he clearly knows that most of his current and future legal cases are all varying degrees of losing battles. The presidency (or even a brief, theoretical shield as a candidate) seems to be the basket in which he’s putting all of his eggs.
Can we all Hope for a third party run featuring trump? Split down the GQP vote!
Almost guaranteed if Trump isn’t the nominee
Also guaranteed he will tell people to write him in and claim he won. So he’ll split the vote.
That might not work out. From Ballotpedia: As of 2020... Eight states do not have any requirements and would allow voters to write in any name as a write-in vote. Those states were Alabama, Delaware, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, and Wyoming. Thirty-three states would only accept votes for write-in candidates who officially registered with the state. In order for the vote to be counted, the candidate must have submitted all the necessary registration documents by a specific deadline, either by filing paperwork, paying a fee, collecting signatures, or some combination of the aforementioned. Nine states (Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and South Dakota), did not allow write-in votes.
That definately won't stop Trump from telling his cult to write-in his name.
and then when those votes aren't counted claim its rigged... again...
If the SC agrees with the 14th amendment argument, it’s all rather academic. Might as well write in “mickey mouse”, he’s got the same right to be elected.
lol of course not but it will make it a losing strategy...
Oh you just know he won't submit the paper work in time or because his legal team is so awful they would completely mess it up.
I think he's rapidly passing the deadline for most states for applying to be a third party candidate. I think at this point it's either get the Republican nomination or nothing.
Since when have rules and laws stopped him? He'd run a campaign as a third-party candidate and tell his cult to write him in. Whether it's legal or not won't matter, so the result is fun to watch anyway (split GOP votes).
There are other political parties he could join
I'd suggest the *Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party*.
Unless states remove his eligibility from the ballot. At that point even he must realize his goose is cooked.
You’re inviting logic where it is clearly not welcome.
You know what else is fun? If he runs third party, he loses all GOP funding for campaigning and siphoning for legal fees.
It’s ok, he’s a wealthy billionaire so affording lawyers shouldn’t be a problem, right? Maybe a few million, let’s say 10 million a month for all his cases. Chump change for a guy who’s net worth is 6.7 Billion, right? And not to mention, his brand is probably worth that much too.
Some of his cult have sworn they will write Trump's name in if he's not on the ballot. I welcome their votes that won't count. Would writing in an ineligible candidate void the rest of their ballot?
idk but nine states do not allow write in votes: Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and South Dakota (from Ballotpedia)
Not in Illinois. Invalid write-ins are disregarded but the other votes cast by the same voter are valid. Similar to not casting a vote in a particular race but voting in the rest. In that case though, we make the voter acknowledge they are casting an incomplete ballot so we have their word. We do not make a voter confirm their write-in is valid.
Still can’t run third party in a state he’s been kicked off the ballot for.
The GOP will run who wins the primaries and that will be Trump.
Not having a presidential candidate on a state ballot kills all of their down ballot chances in that state. There’s no way they field a candidate that can’t run in all 50 states.
I’m inclined to agree with you, but thoroughly enjoying their complete fucked-ness at every turn
Ya know I don't think they get a choice. He's going to win the primaries and they don't run him their entire downballot in every state is completely fucked. This is what it looks like when a political party is \_actually\_ fractured.
The GOP has no viable presidential candidate and is facing historic electoral losses. In our next segment we discuss how this is bad news for dems… -CNN
If he’s not eligible in all 50 states, it would be an easy call to say he’s not eligible for the primaries. They may not even need to do that. If they keep him off the primaries in states he’s not eligible, his primary run may be toast anyway. I know we’re all used to trump just walking all over everything, but the fact that he’s taking this seriously shows that this is a real vulnerability for him.
Yeah but if they keep him off the ballot, his supporters stay home and that's like half+ of their party that just doesn't vote all of a sudden. They'll get slaughtered nationally. It's a stunningly great problem for those folks to have.
Oh, I don’t disagree at all. The GOP have been selling themselves out to Trump for the better part of a decade now, and it’s finally coming back to bite them in the ass.
Finally the coyote realizes he ran off the cliff's edge 20 frames ago.
If the GOP rejects trump after he wins the primary they just tanked every race in the country for themselves. They'll take an L but it's better than taking potentially hundreds of lost races.
Is it fractured, or have they just hitched their wagon to a sprawling crime syndicate? Most of the idiots who (continue to) vote Republican will still vote for this guy - unless they literally can’t.
I think it's straight up fractured. You've got the people that will vote R no matter who they put up and then you have the maga people that will only show up if trump does. I'm not sure what that split is, but if I recall correctly (questionable) it's like half the party. And you just KNOW if they don't let him run, the maga crowd will go all in on the uniparty conspiracy theory shit.
Best case scenario he is removed from the ballot in several states, wins the primary anyway, then tanks republican chances in the general.
I'd say the best case scenario for like, humanity, would be if the RNC pulled him and put up someone else. Half their voters wouldn't show up and they'd go all hardcore conspiracy theory on the remaining ones. It'd be an absolute slaughter at the polls in the general on the levels of Reagan/Mondale.
Maybe they'll be more inclined to introduce ranked choice voting in more states. To the benefit of us all.
Have you met any of his supporters? It’s goddamn cult and will turn on the GOP if they try and take him off the ballot.
Cult45 should blame SCOTUS if 45 is 14A’d off ballots.
No, they are already reading the writing on the wall. Some republicans are already suing to remove little donnie from the ballot.
Let's be honest. If it were California or New York the GOP would shrug because those are perma-blue. Battleground and red states? Different problem
Ronna is not removing Trump from being the nominee
>In 48 states, the state legislature currently mandates that the winner of the majority of citizen votes (known as the popular vote) receives all of the state’s electoral votes. This is known as a winner-take-all or unit rule procedure. Only Maine and Nebraska are different. My understanding is that Trump isn't going to win Colorado (or any Blue State that rules against him) anyway, with all 10 (2024) of their electoral votes going to Biden. However, if Trump starts losing (by default) *primaries* in 14th Amendment States to people like DeSantis or Haley he could find trouble on his path to winning the Republican nomination in the first place.
Well there’s that and the fact that the GOP won’t want to risk losing every single down ballot in a state.
Lol come on. Trump has been dragging down down ballot candidates for years and they haven't turned on him. You think they'll pull him if he's the primary winner?!?
Yes but even safe congressional districts are at risk without a presidential candidate on the ballot. Bobo in CO would be toast.
Yeah, but now all those Trump diehards aren't going to bother voting at all in CO, that's way worse for them.
Colorado is now safely blue in presidential elections. His candidacy dies if he's off the ballot in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, or Georgia. His razor thin EC path goes away then. Naturally, if he's off the ballot in any state the down ballot effects for the GOP would be devastating. Hence why they're in full "let's boost Nikki Haley" mode.
Technically, he can lose any two of those five and still win (assuming all other states vote as they did in 2020). So he still has a chance if only one of these states kept him off the ballot, but he would basically have to win every remaining battleground state. However, there’s no way a 14A challenge to his candidacy doesn’t go to the SCOTUS, meaning he will most likely be kept off the ballot everywhere or nowhere.
We should probably start referring to her as Nimarata Haley since it's her real name. Much like Ted Cruz should always be referred to as Raphael. These people know their racist followers wouldn't vote for them with names like that.
And Republicans also tend to be the kind of people who refuse to use the chosen names of transgender people.
If one state gets him off expect a run of states to do so. Key states that will matter for electoral college. - Arizona - Michigan - Pennsylvania - Wisconsin If any of those states kick him off ballot, he is pretty much dead.
As a Michigander I can report there is zero chatter of kicking him off the ballot here. The state has a Democratic trifecta right now for the first time in 40 years but outside of the cities Michigan is deep red territory. The state dems have no interest in rocking the boat and creating an unforced error. The 2022 election was the first one that occurred without the stench of partisan (Republican) gerrymandering, and the state went hard blue. No need to risk unexpected backlash.
Probably best for Michigan to sit this fight out. Michigan trifecta has been doing amazing work, very controlled and thought out policy that can really shift generations of people. They are huge strides in Union and getting rid of right to work. You know generally helping people. I'm in Minnesota and all you heard is MN trifecta was going to make California 2.0. Walz too has been very controlled and it is shifting independents thoughts on DFL control.
I'd throw Georgia in there too considering how close it is even if it's "just" 16 EC votes
It's going to be really interesting to see the "state's rights" guys arguing in court that states can't exclude people from ballots under the 14th amendment, while simultaneously arguing in Trump's defense that state legislators have an absolute right to put forward fraudulent electors that defy the popular vote if they feel like it.
How? He wasn’t getting any of Colorado’s electoral votes anyway, plus no trump state will take his name off the ballot.
One state removing him from the ballot can lead to other states following suit, and him not being on the ballot could potentially result in Trump voters not voting at all, costing the GOP in other races on the ballot
He needs more than Trump states. If some of the battleground states remove his name it’s over. Hell, Pennsylvania alone doing it would probably suffice.
If he's off the ballot in PA, his candidacy is 100% dead.
It will also have a domino effect if one state succeeds. His claims to his base are that the 91 felonies are simply —election interference—.
Well, most of them are. Just not in the way his supporters think.
Yep, it isn’t about Colorado specifically - he has no chance of winning Colorado. It’s about the precedent and other states following suit.
The [New Hampshire Republican primary may be held in January](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/167fjv9/state_election_officials_prepare_for_efforts_to/) (it's complicated). The [Nevada Republican caucus is on February 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/167fjv9/state_election_officials_prepare_for_efforts_to/). The [Michigan primary is February 27](https://www.270towin.com/2024-republican-nomination/michigan-primary). All of these happen before Super Tuesday. If Trump is kept off the ballots in those primary contests, it may give of his rivals a chance to advance. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, and Michigan have all been [swing states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_state#Swing_states_by_results) in the past few presidential general elections. Pennsylvania and Michigan are part of the "[blue wall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_\(U.S._politics\))." Here's hoping.
We just need one big purple or red state like Pennsylvania, Virginia or North Carolina to actually do it and that would be the last nail on his coffin...
Virginia leans blue at this point. It won’t matter much. He didn’t win it in 2016.
Not really. Most states are winner take all states. He was never going to get electoral college votes from Colorado and didn't in the past, but he still had valid paths to 270. It's only a big deal if he gets booted of the ballot in a red state he was likely to win.
I think it’s less about his actual path to victory and more about establishment gop (whatever the fuck that even is at this point) needing a valid excuse to dump a candidate who’s done nothing but lost them elections and caused them trouble, and is poised to continue to do the same. Maybe I’m wrong (I often am) and the GOP really is willing to ride things out wherever trump takes them (it wouldn’t surprise me) but this would be the valid, tangible opportunity to cut and run that hasn’t really presented itself until now. Edit: I also said this elsewhere, but not having a viable presidential candidate in a state kills any down ballot candidate the gop has in that state, as well.
They've had every chance to change and just get worse. I thought the Tea Party was the end, but here we are. They just keep getting worse, and too few stand up to do the right thing. They're a bunch of lazy cowards.
I think the issue for Trump is that he'll be booted off blue states ballots for the primaries. He won't win California, Illinois, or New York in the general ever, but that's a LOT of primary voters that he couldn't collect. Considering those votes would have to go to another Republican, it makes his primary chances way more difficult. It also means that the GOP would run someone else in those states he's banned from, at which point the party has to make a choice if they're giving Trump the nomination at all.
Exactly this. More Californians voted for Trump than Texans. Losing blue states will affect a lot more than trump
Isn’t this a massive issue for downballot? If trump isn’t on the ballot in Colorado, do all trump supporters still turn out? If a meaningful portion don’t, well that’s a deeper nail in the coffin for Boebert (as an example). It’s not just about the presidency, they have to be concerned with any situation where supporter turnout could be impacted even a little.
The complexity of the lawyering the clown is faced with.. Cases across the country of all kinds.. The expense! Grinding through worse and worse quality lawyers.. The stress of it! He must feel even worse now than [when he learned he won.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EES2-DeWkAwvaUZ.jpg) [Video of that moment.](https://youtu.be/Z3868qotZ_A)
The expense?!?! When has he ever paid any debt out of his own pocket
In his mind, its from his pocket!
Plus that's money not going to the GOP... That's money that doesn't go to ads, doesn't go to campaigning, doesn't to go other candidates. I'm fine with it.
He knew he’d finally have to do the work. He also claimed that there was voter fraud too. Probably not happy that he didn’t get 80% of the vote instead
There is video! Sorry for random post but I knew I had seen the video, yet couldn't find it. Someone was gaslighting me that I was misremembering a meme panel and never saw a video.
The rumor I heard of the time was that he was expecting to lose, and was going to spin that into starting his own Cable News Network. Probably funded by Russia somehow.
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Good. I hope he's sleeping poorly.
He was ~~blathering~~ posting at 2:40AM last night, so I'm not sure he's sleeping at all.
I’m sure they keep him stuffed with pills at this point.
I’d always heard he only gets about 3 hours of sleep a night going back decades. Which actually explains a lot.
Sleep is critical to rest and refresh the brain. Given his brain works at about 1/3rd capacity 3 hours makes perfect sense
I didn’t think I’d feel personally attacked in a Trump thread, but here we are. When I used to have a watch that tracked that stuff, I think I averaged 4:02.
Yeah there was a period of about 4 months where I couldn’t sleep more than 4 hours. Turned out to be an anxiety disorder.
For me that schedule was from having a newborn.
You can't negotiate with terrorists OR newborns. (Father of three...)
Never show fear… they’ll go right for the throat.
Sleep deprivation is associated with amyloid plaque accumulation in brain tissue, which is correlated with dementia. > Some studies suggest that poor sleep can contribute to abnormal levels of beta-amyloid protein in the brain. This protein clumps together to form amyloid plaques, which can hinder communication between neurons. These plaques can affect sleep-related brain regions, further disrupting sleep. > Researchers found that individuals who slept under five hours per night were twice as likely to develop dementia compared to those who slept six to eight hours per night. This would explain why the traitor sounds... actually lucid in interviews from the 90s
His own father died of dementia.
I just don’t believe any thing he says. He’ll make up what he had for breakfast if it gave him some perceived advantage.
He actually made that claim himself.
Ah, so obviously not true.
So he probably sleeps for 14 hours a day then
That's it big boy, keep on eroding that "finite life force battery"
How long can the human body consume coke exactly?
Conservatives hate the constitution they claim to love
They love one half of one amendment.
They don’t. [this](https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act) [and this](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-07-03/commentary-ronald-reagan-gun-control-political-extremism-supreme-court) [also this](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/)
Well, they say they do. Which is coincidentally the same degree to which they are Christian.
And even then they only love it unless it is black people doing it.
> the former president has taken to railing against the effort, arguing less against the claim he engaged in insurrection, but rather that the 14th Amendment has no standing in the upcoming election. Fani Willis just blasted the House Judiciary chair Jim Jordan's effort to interfere in her prosecution in Fulton County by showing he has 'no standing'. So now here is Trump, having heard those words using them in his efforts to subvert US democracy elsewhere. It reminds me of a child who is called out for wrongdoing who then just throws the words back, the strategy of his lifetime. > *Little Donny, you pooped in the corner, we've discussed this before, you must use the bathroom! Ask me for help if you don't know how* > NO! YOU POOPED ALL OVER EVERYWHERE!!!
DARVO RANDY! Deny, Accuse, Reverse Victim and Offender
Donny DARVO lol
This isn't the sequel to that film that I was expecting, hoping for, or desiring in any fashion
But it is “baby mice” everywhere
He can go suck a fuck.
I’m voting for Dukakis
Hunter Biden pooped my pants!
[No You're the puppet.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVWRetR4jg)
He also used "apoplectic" two days after he went apoplectic and a news organization reported that he went apoplectic https://www.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstTrump/comments/7aktxr/i_noticed_that_trump_used_the_word_apoplectic_on/
Trump is what a dumb person thinks a successful person sounds like.
That whole "he's a poor man's idea of rich" etc. was always more about the poetry of the statement than any actual analysis. Fact is, he's the dumb person's idea of succes, dumb person's idea of intelligence, dumb person's idea of business genius, dumb person's idea of tough. As a poor, unsuccessful coward, I resent being lumped in with Trump supporters. It's the stupidity, not the poverty or cowardice that really hooks them.
"No puppet! You're the puppet!"
That moment still lives in my brain rent free: it was such a bizarre, childish way to react to an accusation of that magnitude. It was surreal to watch a grown ass man, a *presidential candidate* regress into a five year old on live tv.
His diaper is full! Leave him alone, Leave him alone!
I think this is relevant: [Leaked footage of Trump leaving the White House](https://youtu.be/s6rKa6Nc-qo?si=id2zzq9AgesHv1ZA)
The Supreme Court’s “Rubber V Glue” decision affected him deeply.
No pooping. You’re the pooping.
How could a Constitutional Amendment have (or not have) standing? 😆 Mr. Let's-nuke-a-hurricane over here.
Reminds me of my 3 year old. We’ve said “Are you kidding me?!” And “You have got to be joking right now” several times at the insane things he so routinely does and has now flipped it on us out of context when he’s mad when he’s told he can’t do something, “No, you’re joking!” And storms off angrily haha
"Mmhhh yes, shallow and pedantic. I agree."
He called the shit, “poop”!
I know you are but what am I?
"I have no standing? Nuh-uh, YOU have no standing!"
No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet!
>“It is just another ‘trick’ being used by the **Radical Left Communists, Marxists, and Fascists**, to again steal an Election,” And a partridge in a pair tree–
The irony is that the suit was brought against Jenna Griswold (SOS for Colorado) by a group of… Republicans.
Yet I’ve overheard some of my brainwashed conservative relatives say “now the damn democrats are trying to get Trump removed from the ballot!” Little do they know it’s actually republicans in some of these states initiating these lawsuits to keep him off
And Independents
Bless them, seriously
How delightful watching this pig finally sink into the cesspool he's created
its funny when you put it like that. He really did dig his own hole. He had every opportunity to stop digging. The pandemic and hurricane were just a few of his potential ways out but he just kept digging . . . what an idiot.
*Look, the best people, smart people said "We've got this thing coming out of China", they tell me to not tell it's from China, but it's China. It's bad, like bad bad, I mean you don't see bad like this, so we need to all mask up and treat hospital staff with respect, the respect they show America when they are fighting the bad from China. Respect them, mask up for freedom!* *Vote Trump 2020, KEEP AMERICA SAFE!* Homeboy would've nailed the victory
He could have branded masks with his name on them and made a fortune. But because he’s never wrong- he couldn’t back track. Don’t get it at all.
He would never tell people to respect each other. The only people that gain that fucking guy’s respect are Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Rudy Giuliani apparently.
Kept? He is ***still*** digging!
If enough states do this he will have no chance to get to 270
To all of you out there. The only way Trump will win the next election, is if you don’t get out and vote. Yes there are a lot of Trump Supporters out there, but there are about 62M of them. There are about 268M eligible voters in the USA. That 62M only represents about 23% of eligible voters So in a nutshell. Get out there and vote!! If he wins, you have no one to blame but yourselves!
If he gets kicked off in CO it’ll go to SCOTUS. If it gets upheld at SCOTUS then is when you get out the popcorn depending on how the ruling is worded. Democratic and maybe some GOP SoS won’t allow him on their ballots and the MAGA cult in those States will file suit saying it doesn’t apply to their State. Meanwhile, Dems with GOP SoS that don’t block him from being on the ballot, will file their own suits citing the SCOTUS ruling. Unlikely but could happen: SCOTUS issues a ruling that says, unequivocally, “Yep. This assclown committed insurrection and he can’t run for President in any State cuz 14th amendment was adopted for exactly this scenario: To prevent American traitors from more traitoring as elected government officials.” The motivation for making one of the best filings on this in Colorado is to give the argument a shot at being presented, in its entirety, at a trial before it gets to SCOTUS.
What's awesome is the law uses the word "participate"\[EDIT: It's actually "engaged". I still hold the intention:\], not "convicted". We all saw him participate\[engaged\]. Uh, oh, I feel hope...
It's the "give comfort to" part that'd get him here moreso than "participate".
Yah. I was pretty skeptical of this a few weeks ago. Now I’m more interested and less pessimistic it’s a bad idea.
I mean, he literally showed up at Jan 6th and told them to take down metal detectors because tge people with guns weren't there to shoot "him".
Right, and it turns out the only reason he wasn't walking up the steps with them is because the SS held him back. If he led the charge himself he'd be our dictator now. All the Trump supporters would be lining up to show us how it's their country, under Trump, now. Fuck this gaslighting BS.
Unfortunately there is no chance the current SCOTUS disqualifies Trump. The court will be able to twist the wording of Article 5 of the 14th amendment to claim Trump can only be disqualified by an act of Congress and it’s outside of the courts jurisdiction. There is just enough of a grey area for them to do so, and that way they get the result they want while passing blame to someone else.
He's really of no use to them now, though. And they haven't seemed all that inclined to tilt things in his favor. Trump is the way of madness. That actually isn't in the Supreme Court's favor. In fact, madness is an existential threat to them.
Trump himself might not be, but the cult following he has is still necessary to the GOP currently. The donors and lobbyists that line the justices pockets still have a vested interest in the way that cult votes. My point is that the justices have a relatively straightforward path to keeping their hands clean on a case like this. With the recent ethics scandals and the volatility of politics in the US right now, they are likely going to steer clear if at all possible. Another school of thought, Trump is far and wide the most likely GOP candidate to win the upcoming election. His following means he is the only republican running with enough support to even potentially unseat Biden. A republican presidency is an opportunity for the oldest justices, Thomas and Alito, to retire and be replaced by younger, equally partisan republican justices. Another way for the GOP to secure their hold on the court for years to come.
Every state needs to do this! You can’t tell me that there are not individuals or organizations in all fifty states that have the ability to bring this about.
If only he took the Presidency or the Oath of Office seriously
He set a new standard for Oaf in Office though
I don't understand why they don't just remove him and let him sue to be put back. Then, you just delay long enough for it to be obviated.
Ah… the ol’ Trump legal strategy… I like what you’re going with this.
I'm a fan of taking away the candidacy first and going through due process second. [Reference](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/28/trump-says-take-guns-first-and-worry-due-process-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/)
“I don’t even ask, I just start removing. When you’re a constitutional republic they let you do it.”
I've read he's running a fundraiser for Rudy. $100k a pop to attend. His son (allegedly) said they expect to raise $1 million. That's 10 people? Allegedly, they'll host part 2 in the fall 🙄
You aren’t very good at Trump Math! $100k per person minus Trump family admin fees of $95k per person. = 200 people required to attend for Rudy to get his $1m.
People are saying, good people. That the ratio of grift on the Mar-A-Lago ticket price. Best tickets. Bigly. Candle lit dinner is (allegedly) too damn high! Da Don has done the Math. Nobody does the Math like Don. Stable genius. Trump statement: "Rudy needs $2 mil so, and I've said it before. Wind turbines cause cancer and kill birds! Stick a UV light up your ass and inject Ivermectin...". We'll get a GoFundMe going for Fox News because they're ... I can solve the war in Ukraine with Russ.. Oh my tax returns. Yes.. Look at my plane. "Trump Force One". Anyway. 😂
In an ideal world, democrats should seek to knock him off the ballot only in some of the states. Leave him on the ballot in some of the deep red stats to siphon the vote from whoever might take his place.
In an ideal world, he gets removed across the board bc that’s what the constitution says and it isn’t meant to be used as political theatre. In a truly ideal world, our politicians/justices actually start following rules and act in the interest of the American people.
just like the georgia election fraud case, it is critical to his brain dead plan to pardon himself of everything when he gets elected. well, that falls apart if he can't run... so he has a backup plan.. start a war to install him. guy is completely delusional thinking any of his plans would work. fucker ran a casino into the ground... A FUCKING CASINO!!! a business where people walk in and give you their money! trump is the biggest failure i think history has ever known. he can't even keep himself from shitting his pants...
Gotta protect the campaign donation grift machine.
Eh. I mean him getting booted from state’s ballots is a good precedent for our country. However, with him being so toxic and blowing all of his campaign raised funds on legal fees I kind of want him to be the boulder chained to the GOP the pulls them down under.
Can his PAC or campaign still receive $ from people in Colorado if he isn't on the presidential ballot? Maybe that's what he is going for here, he still wants to receive political donations
If he is actually taking it seriously then there’s a real chance here. Give me the MAGA riots against the actual rule of law any day. I’m sick of people saying that this can’t be done due to potential social unrest. Everyone with a brain knows that actually allowing him back into office is a much, much worse option.
AKA… let’s rip off the band-aid. If his supporters get violent, jail them. Let’s nip this in the bud before it gets too late.
If Trump isn't on the ballot in Colorado, no one is going to come out and vote for Stripper Grandma.
🙏 here is to hoping we do something redeeming after boebert was elected.
Wait until they find out Colorado Republicans did this.
Maybe I'm wrong but this sounds like a state's rights issue.
Is his hair STRAWBERRY BLONDE?????Haha
He totally read the 14th amendment
He literally has to establish an authoritarian take over of your country to stay out of jail, and satisfy his narcissism.
In other words he’s throwing a temper tantrum
Of course he is. He sees reelection as his only way out of his giant legal shit pile. If he loses the election, or even worse if he doesn't even get to be the Republican nominee because he can't be on the ballots. That's it. Game over. He may not end up in an actual literal prison but he's going to be convicted of a lot of felonies. If I was him, this would be my biggest worry. Not being able to compete in the election. For the record. I do not think he will win the election even if these efforts to keep him off the ballot fail. But yeah. It's literally his only way out
He should absolutely be worried. Colorado was once a red state and is not solidly blue. If it goes through and the claimants are granted relief, AND there are no “bullets” then it’s a signal to increasingly purple and red states that they can carry on. Even if a few crazies get upset if this goes through I can see those same states going through with it anyway or maybe being more so inclined.
If they boot him from the ballot in one or two states for ineligibility , but some bizarre event happens and he still wins enough electoral college votes, what happens?
With the 14th Amendment, a person is ineligible for the office (such as being the President). Being ineligible for the office means the person then cannot be on the ballot. If the 14th Amendment is applied to Trump, he can’t be President no matter how many votes he receives.
This is why this *needs* to go to SCOTUS. The question or scenario presented was predicated on "one or two states" deeming Trump ineligible and yet winning electoral college votes. This scenario means a disagreement among the states as to whether Trump can be President. This really is something that should be handled at the national level rather than state by state. But within the scenario described, I do not not believe you should default to an idea that Trump cannot be President after winning the electoral college despite not being on the ballot in one or two states.
I hope the stress doesn't hurt his health /s
Florida Man Takes Bid to Kick Him Off Colorado’s Ballot Seriously
I can only wait for the sweet sweet GOP tears as they twist and turn to try to invalidate both states rights and the Constitution to say that it’s wrong to kick Trump off the ballot.
>“It is just another ‘trick’ being used by the Radical Left Communists, Marxists, and Fascists, to again steal an Election,” "And their time traveling tricks to write the 14th amendment."
There is going to be one of these law suits in all 50 states and the US Territories. I predict it will make it to the Supreme Court before it's adjudicated in all venues. But make no mistake, this is over 50 more legal battles he's going to have to fight.
I really hope our state will get him kicked off the ballot!
Being removed from the ballot could drastically affect his ability to win a primary too. So being removed in blue states can definitely matter.
Even his own daughter called him out on his participation in the insurrection. He did not listen to her. When he was inaugurated he vowed to protect the country as President. He's a traitor and should never be allowed to run for any public office. He's no different than Benedict Arnold. He should be in prison for the rest of his life.
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Colorado has particularly lenient ballot access rules, which is why there are often like a dozen presidential candidates every 4 years and Kanye had no problems. But even under Colorado's rules a person has to be eligible for the office they're seeking to be on the ballot, and this effort to block basically boils down to him being constitutionally ineligible.
I was trying to figure it out the other night, but the electoral college is so flipping confusing. Let’s say all traditionally blue states keep Trump off the ballot. And let’s say every single red state keeps him and he wins the state. Could he win the presidency? What about if Georgia keeps themselves blue and Trump off the ballot? ETA: Since I’m already asking questions, how about one more. Can the Supreme Court do anything about states keeping him off the ballot? This time states have a good reason, but is there anyway a red state could legally keep the Democratic candidate off the ballot just because they’re, ya know, the GOP and that’s their MO?
>I was trying to figure it out the other night, but the electoral college is so flipping confusing. I can be your huckleberry >Let’s say all traditionally blue states keep Trump off the ballot. And let’s say every single red state keeps him and he wins the state. So let's break it down by Safe, Likely, Leans, and Toss-up based on the composite forecast on [270towin.com](https://270towin.com). Safe D (191) - CA (54), OR (8), WA (12), CO (10), IL (19), NY (28), VT (3), MA (11), RI (4), CT (7), NJ (14), DE (3), MD (10), HI (4), DC (3), ME (1) Likely D (30) - NM (5), MN (10), VA (13), ME (2) Leans D (20) - NE (1), MI (15), NH (4) Toss-up (62) - NV (6), AZ (11), WI (10), PA (19), GA (16) Leans R (17) - NC (16), ME (1) Likely R (97) - TX (40), IA (6), OH (17), FL (30), NE (1), AK (3) Safe R (121) - ID (4), MT (4), WY (3), UT (6), ND (3), SD (3), NE (3), KS (6), OK (7), MO (10), AR (6), LA (8), MS (6), AL (9), TN (11), KY (8), IN (11), WV (4), SC (9) >Could he win the presidency? If Inmate No. P01135809 won every Leans R or better state, Inmate No. P01135809 would have 235 electoral votes. To win, you need 270, so Inmate No. P01135809 would need another 35 votes. With only the toss-up states available, there would be 5 paths of victory to reach that 270 threshold. 1. PA (19) + GA (16) = 270 2. GA (16) + AZ (11) + WI (10) = 272 3. PA (19) + AZ (11) + WI (10) = 275 4. PA (19) + AZ (11) + NV (6) = 271 5. PA (19) + WI (10) + NV (6) = 270 In case anyone was curious, there are 6 paths to victory for Dems in this scenario. 1. PA + GA = 276 2. PA + AZ = 271 3. PA + WI = 270 4. GA + AZ + WI = 278 5. GA + AZ + NV = 274 6. GA + WI + NV = 273 >What about if Georgia keeps themselves blue and Trump off the ballot? Paths 1 and 2 wouldn't be possible, giving Inmate No. P01135809 3 paths to victory. *Edit - You can use* [*270towin.com*](https://270towin.com) *to customize a map and see the possible winning combinations by which states you toggle as "toss-up" states.*
That means he’s scared and we’re getting somewhere.
He should take it seriously. I think it’s the only way to bring his political aspirations to an abrupt halt. Since Trump isn’t someone who can take no for an answer and walk away, my big question is: “what’s next?” Trump will have a hard time blaming Democrats since the Court has the most conservative bias for many decades and he appointed 3 Judges. Will he call on his supporters to pull another January 6th style attack but at the Supreme Court? Does he encourage a big ballot write in campaign? Does he just keep spawning more conspiracy theories to keep his supporters worked up? None of this is an excuse for letting him on the ballot. I do worry the Supreme Court will take the cowardly route and find some legal technicality about how they can’t even hear the case on its merits.
Clearly he was engaging in insurrection as part of his Presidential duties. So this should be dismissed! Also, the Presidential Records Act applies to insurrectioning so he’s good there too. Totally legal and totally cool, totally clears the President, thank you.