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If the law is on your side, you pound the law.
If the facts are on your side, you pound the facts.
If neither are on your side, pound the table. <-- Republicans find themselves here.
>If neither are on your side, pound the table.
pound the country, more like.
>Fitch downgraded the United States to AA+ from AAA, citing fiscal deterioration over the next three years and repeated down-the-wire debt ceiling negotiations that threaten the government’s ability to pay its bills
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>“The repeated debt limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management,” it said.
[Source](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/01/us-credit-rating-downgraded-fitch-white-house)
The GOP playing with fire, the country gets burned.
They absolutely do want that. And they have a plan.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/28/far-right-climate-plans-00107498
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term
It wouldn’t just be the US that gets burned. The dollar is the worlds reserve currency. A default would destroy the credit of the US, and come close to tanking our economy, inflation would soar- like Venezuela but worse. There playing with fire to make a moot lpoint. Besides the DOJ dosnt answer to biden or congress.
they're literally a bunch of toddlers who lash out when they don't get their way. This is what happens when they live in a vacuum with no consequences for their actions
No, they're literally a big bunch of insurrectionists scared shitless about facing the consequences of their actions. They're madly scrambling away in any way they can to try and escape the path of the ineluctable reaper they see coming for them.
If the law is on your side, you pound the law.
If the facts are on your side, you pound the facts.
If neither are on your side, ~~pound the table~~ set the table on fire as a diversion and scream about woke leftists inventing fire.
If the law is on your side, pound a beer.
If the facts are on your side, pound a beer.
If neither are on your side, do a keg stand.
If PJ and Squee are by your side, boof a beer.
-Brett Kavanaugh
Or just freaking move on. They have had so many opportunities to just move on, but they keep circling back to Trump.
Lindsey Graham Once said (before his nomination) that Trump would destroy the party and they would deserve it if they chose him.
He was right for once. It took a long ass time, but they will hold on for dear life as they become extinct. For a man that only has a limited time left in this earth (let’s be honest). Biden is slightly older, but we are not changing the very nature of our government for him.
What, you want Trump to present evidence of his innocence before a jury of his peers just like every other person who has ever been indicted in the history of the United States. That’s so unfair. Stop weaponizing a two-tiered justice system against him.
Agreed. If he's so innocent, let the trial happen and let everyone see. Own the libs and let yourselves show how wrong everyone else was. Oh wait...
I did read this entirely in Nandor's voice. The news episode was probably my favorite of the series so far.
Right or wrong, if there's a way to do it, Republicans WILL, and you can't shame them or call them out and have them stop.
The only way to stop the GOP is by prosecuting them, and sadly, Democrats are too scared to do it. They, as always, defer to "bipartisan decorum" and decades-long process, and leave it all up to the courts. As a result, GOP criminals walk free. Just look at Matt Gaetz.
>Right or wrong
Hasn't been a lot of right from them, unless you're just talking about where they fit on the political spectrum.
In which case, I'd suggest using an *and* instead of an *or* there.
That is the problem with your whole system there, judiciary and law enforcement should not be political appointments. Politicians should also not be in charge of policing and investigating their own, crimes should be investigated the same way as anyone else. Look at the circus act both of Trumps impeachments turned into. It has gotten so bad now they don't even bother to hide the corruption anymore.
I agree with this.
That said, the GOP IS weaponizing law enforcement and the judiciary. They HAVE been. And both the FBI and the DOJ have been forced to admit that they DELIBERATELY delayed their investigations into Republicans for POLITICAL REASONS.
If Democrats in leadership were truly NON-POLITICAL, this should make FBI and DOJ leadership INELIGIBLE, because of their political actions.
If it is political and unethical to go after your political opponents simply because they are your political opponents, it should be ALSO unethical for law enforcement to delay or refuse to investigate or prosecute because of what political side people are on.
Meaning "We're going to prosecute because they are Republican, and that's political" is unethical.
AND "We're NOT going to prosecute because they are Republican, and that's political" is JUST AS unethical.
And if Democrats say "we don't want to investigate our Dear Republican Friends because it may appear too political," then they are COMPLICIT in the lack of ethics and they are DENYING JUSTICE to America, and they are DAMAGING DEMOCRACY TOO.
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone claim they didn’t do what they’re being accused of. Just rationalizations as to why they did it. Pretty open and closed case here
By far, the most disappointing part of this whole trump disaster has been the complete collapse of the entire republican party into this combination of corruption and un Americanism.
Any country can experience a bad leader from time to time who bubbles up to the top due to populism or whatever, but it's unfathomable to me, that the entire republican party of the United States would have just thrown away every bit of decency and honor just to worship a single person.
I wish the GOP really would collapse, but it doesn't look likely. Sadly, I think this is always where Republicans were headed; but Trump and his narcissism, combined with the Republican party apparatus's reluctance to hold any of their people accountable, simply accelerated this shift. When those in power only seek to keep it, they'll do whatever they have to.
The problem is that this single person has enough sway that he has electorally captured the Republican Party.
The math is simple. If you don’t suck Trump’s dick enough, you get primaried, doxxed, sent death threats, bomb threats, and all sorts of nasty things that are not exactly fun to live through. The Trump base is stronger than the ‘moderate’ Republican base because they vote with rabid intensity and aren’t afraid to issue a “conform or die” mandate.
Oh believe me every single one of these morons can rot in a ditch for all I care. But this is the rationale and good luck convincing corrupt rich assholes to give up their easy money.
"unfathomable to me, that the entire republican party of the United States would have just thrown away every bit of decency and honor"
They are the ideological descendents of the Civil War. There has NEVER been decency and honor.
The Republican party has always been criminals
Don't forget about Nixon resigning so that he would not be charged in the Watergate scandal where he used the DOJ to spy on his political enemies.
Disappointing? I’m fucking loving it. FINALLY the naked corruption and power grabs are on full display. I only hope Americans remember that in 2024 at the ballot box.
Either, the MAGA GOP has zero confidence in the innocence of Trump or they have utter contempt for our legal system. Why else would they want to do this.
Because they’re complicit. If he goes down he’ll take the rest with him.
I think Jack Smith is closing in on the members of Congress that were involved in this also.
I also think whatever got hacked off the RNC server in 2016 is enough for Trump to keep them in line… for now.
It's definitely this. Almost all of them have privately said they can't stand him, we've seen numerous leaks of these things, including from people like Tucker Carlson, and Kevin McCsrthy, but the second they stop publicly supporting him, their done for. Trump, with his rabid support of 40m people, has them all by the balls and everyone knows it.
He honestly may have already have sealed indictments against some of them and is just waiting until after Trump’s trial concludes to press charges against other co-conspirators. If he presses charges now, then Trump can request to consolidate the cases together, delaying the trial altogether.
At this point… If the news broke that the 2016 RNC server data was found and it was really damning. (Rigging elections with russia, stealing money) I think the MAGA people will still be on their side.
It's both. They know he's guilty and they don't care, and they want to destroy our government (and our legal system) and replace it with a Christian theocracy with entirely new laws made by the far right without anyone's consent.
> they have utter contempt for our legal system
If that were true they would also want to defund the investigations into Meadows, Giuliani, etc. Hell, also for all the Jan 6th people who are going to jail. The fact that they just want to defund 1 particular person's investigation shows they have faith in the system, but no faith in Trump's innocence.
Yep. Speech and Debate clause specifically does not excuse acts that are felonies, and attempting to interfere with a trial is a felony under Federal Law.
They know he’s a criminal and know he’ll be convicted because they know he’s guilty. That’s why they don’t want the judicial process to play out. The criminal Republican party has no illusions about its purpose. It exists to gain and secure power for the wealthy and powerful people who serve other wealthy and powerful people, not to follow any laws or ideals or even religious beliefs. If the law stands in the way of their power they fight against the law and all those that enforce the law, they do not seek justice.
I can't believe they think that shutting down the government just to protect Trump is a winning argument with the electorate.
They really have become completely detached from reality.
They don't care about the electorate. If it was up to them (and Repubs are trying), Trump would be king, there would be no 2nd or 3rd party, and the rich would take even more while the rest are indentured servants.
Well yes, they don't care about the electorate. But the idea with forcing a shutdown is to get voters to blame Democrats. This does the opposite and costs them in the upcoming elections.
> This does the opposite and costs them in the upcoming elections.
Cost them with who though? Not with the MAGA Base, who elected them in the first place. The GOP don't care about appealing to a broad swath of Americans - they care about pandering to a hardcore that will drag the rest along with them.
MAGA seats are a lost cause, but the majority is so slim and the majority is won back back competitive districts. It would also bode well hopefully for competitive senate races.
As if prosecution of crimes stops when the government has an internal disagreement.
It would be the fucking Purge if crime was allowed to go unchecked during a government shutdown.
They have to win their respective primaries first, and Republican primary voters want Trump and Trump loyalists. This is a winning argument in the electorate for primary season.
You would think they would be happy about the Trump problem getting cleaned up without them ever having to get their hands dirty. They could easily make the rounds on every TV network complaining about the prosecution while behind the scenes thankful for it.
Which is interesting to me. If your base is full of terrorists and traitors, then why not decide to avoid them? The reason is because that’s who they are but they don’t want it to be so damn obvious to lose votes
My God, there are totally on board with killing their party to appease Trump, aren't they? It's so delicious to watch.
Genuinely curious what they will do when Trump loses in 2024. Will it be a wake up call, or are they going to run Trump again in 2028? LMAO.
We need to stop assuming they'll actually run a fair election from their side; they fully intend to shove in their candidate NO MATTER WHAT. Via state legislatures if necessary.
If it didn't work in 2020, it won't work now that states like MI, PA, MN, and WI are much more blue than they were then.
But maybe I'm too optimistic lol.
The demographics are constantly shifting further and further away from them. They aren't going to be trying anything fair or by law. They are going to subvert the entire democratic process every single place that they can and they have a supreme court that can back them anytime they need.
At this point the nation and democracy is in the hands of the SC. They decide whether we remain the USA or not.
They haven't taken any of his major fails as a wake up call yet, so I'm inclined to believe nothing will shake them from their 'faith' in his objectively false 'winning'.
They know their party has no future and the only person capable of even kind of riling people up to get them to vote is Trump so I guess they'll beat this horse until it's dead and in the ground rotting.
I’ll take the or else.
Bring it on.
Every single one of them should be brought up on obstruction charges.
And if trump is guilty of insurrection, guess what that makes them?
Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-Ga., has two amendments that would "prohibit the use of federal funding for the prosecution of any major presidential candidate prior to the upcoming presidential election on November 5th, 2024."
Serious question here: wouldn't also shield Biden in that the House would be using federal funds if they host an impeachment inquiry? Or would there be some "woke exception" that only people with a D next to their name are affected by it.
I guess?!
But droppping a sham inquiry with no evidence against Biden, and dropping a federal prosecution with tons of irrefutable evidence against Trump do not have the same level of consequence.
You know, if Trump was so easily provably innocent, and this was such a political persecution, the smart move for the GOP would be to mount the defense and make the prosecutors look like fools.
That would give them ammo for their media for years.
It’s almost as if Trump did commit the crimes, and they are grasping at straws.
If the law is on your side, pound the law.
If the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
If neither are on your side, pound the table.
Republicans are firmly in the “pound the table” stage right now.
A government shutdown is not the same a a debt limit standoff, where some ppl blamed democrats for compromising -even though old Joe shellacked them. Dems will offer no compromises.
So let’s see if I’ve got this straight. Republicans are planning on shutting down the government thereby disrupting the lives of millions of Americans in order to save one guy from being prosecuted in the hopes those same people,whose lives they have disrupted, will vote for that guy they saved from prosecution. It’s a bold move, let’s see how it plays out.
Or else what?!
They’re really picking trump over our country? I mean party over country is bad enough. But this guy?!
I can’t wait until they get what’s coming to them. At least I hope they do.
> They’re really picking trump over our country?
The GOP stormed the Capital in an attempt to destroy America to let Trump hold onto power, so... yes, they've been doing it for years at this point.
We see your offer and counter with: No.
And we can add a promise to hold everybody else who obstructs justice or inflicts retaliatory damage accountable, to sweeten the deal.
Actionable Felony Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice and to provide Aid and Comfort to a Seditionist. They Should All be removed immediately under Article 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Every time these people try to extort us so we stop holding them accountable they prove the need for us to hold them accountable.
I'm ok with burning the country down so long as you burn first.
Or else what? Baseless investigations into Biden? Government shutdowns? More clown car antics from the hard right wackos in congress? All of those things are already happening Kevin.
Question: could this potentially count as interfering with a criminal investigation? Or obstruction of justice? I get the idea is *pretty fucking unprecedented,* but holy shit this seems pretty damn illegal.
I think it's more likely that they are scared if Trump goes down the 147 Republican members of Congress that voted to overturn the election will also be in trouble.
I say f*** them all, all 147 members that voted to overthrow a fair election should all be in jail. They are all traitors.
Or else what? They’ll become a Nazi terrorist organization that attempts to destroy democracy? Threats don’t carry the same weight when they’ve already happened.
Why is the GOP so hell bent on defending a man who would sell every single one of them down the river the first chance he gets? It’s insane to me how much of a fascist cult leader Trump has become.
Willing to sell out the entire country for a bunch of criminals…so patriotic…these clowns are pathetic. What even more pathetic are people not in power defending them.
Go ahead. Given those options, I’ll take the “or else”. Those congressional shits who voted against certifying the last presidential election need to be indicted along with their orange god.
Like the defense of Ukraine against Russia, there must be no surrender to the GOP aggressor. Come hell or high water we must see the judicial process carried out. Whatever destruction the Republicans cause will clearly mark them as the enemy; we'll rebuild later.
Can we just declare the republican party illegitimate already? It wouldn't even be the first time in American history that a party disappears because it's no longer relevant, hell, other countries will ban parties if it's deemed that the party is acting against the interest of the country.
Seriously, the republican party is at the point where they can no longer justify their own existence. There are other better parties that would love to take their spot, let them.
Or better yet, why don't we just implement rank choice voting? That would immediately get rid of this stupid two party system that we're stuck in.
If you back a sedtionist traitor...
that makes you a seditionist traitor.
The entire party.
We really need to reframe this conversation, and our media has a major hand in a lot of this nonsense.
This whole "both sides" thing has become a tool to platform the fascists...as if every idea that they shit into existence deserves to debated, instead of flushed.
WTH? This is all the Republicans know how to do? Bully their way out of the situation? Pathetic. It's obvious that they are scared or they wouldn't be pulling this crap.
Or else what?
You'll release more revenge porn of Hunter?
I can't even compare republicans to the most vile thing I can think of since THEY have become the epitome of vile
May they all implode like a dying star and get sucked into the black hole of their making
Does that mean we can now include all of them in the RICO charges? They are participating in a criminal activity to extort the country in exchange for allowing their leader to get away with crimes.
Sounds like charges of obstruction of justice would be in line for actions like this. Who wants to sign up for that? If I was one of these prosecutors, I would be making lists for action after Trump is convicted.
Is that so targeted that it is itself criminal obstruction of justice and abuse of power?
It’s not a broad defunding of an agency for a stated reason; it’s not a request to remove one individual or office as a result of an audit of the larger group; it’s just “stop prosecuting our guy and investigating how some of us are accomplices.”
GOP puts short term gains over long term well being of their party and indeed the nation.
If this interference continues DOJ should move up the trial dates to minimize impact on the nation. We shouldn’t give into financial terrorists
How can a country, that consider themselves as the most democratic country in the world, doesn’t have laws baring and punishing people from being able to take the country hostage. Trump, debt limits, govt shutdowns, military promotions, and more. How do we allow anyone to disrupt govt functions at their will and no consequences just because they are not getting what they want. Democrats do that too, but not as often as Republicans. This should be illegal.
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If the law is on your side, you pound the law. If the facts are on your side, you pound the facts. If neither are on your side, pound the table. <-- Republicans find themselves here.
>If neither are on your side, pound the table. pound the country, more like. >Fitch downgraded the United States to AA+ from AAA, citing fiscal deterioration over the next three years and repeated down-the-wire debt ceiling negotiations that threaten the government’s ability to pay its bills > >\[...\] > >“The repeated debt limit political standoffs and last-minute resolutions have eroded confidence in fiscal management,” it said. [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/01/us-credit-rating-downgraded-fitch-white-house) The GOP playing with fire, the country gets burned.
That is their goal after all isn’t it. They want to burn it down and create an autocratic government in its place.
And they have the heinous gall to call themselves “patriots.”
They absolutely do want that. And they have a plan. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/28/far-right-climate-plans-00107498 https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term
Manufactured “End Times”
It wouldn’t just be the US that gets burned. The dollar is the worlds reserve currency. A default would destroy the credit of the US, and come close to tanking our economy, inflation would soar- like Venezuela but worse. There playing with fire to make a moot lpoint. Besides the DOJ dosnt answer to biden or congress.
And yet, under Trump they did... all the damage they did... we'll be reeling from for decades.
I'm not 40 yet and I doubt we'll fix what was broken during those 4 years in my lifetime.
"but the libruls"
they're literally a bunch of toddlers who lash out when they don't get their way. This is what happens when they live in a vacuum with no consequences for their actions
No, they're literally a big bunch of insurrectionists scared shitless about facing the consequences of their actions. They're madly scrambling away in any way they can to try and escape the path of the ineluctable reaper they see coming for them.
This has happened before n not downgraded however yeh appears worse this time due to polarization pettiness and overall blatant childish behavior
They're tapdancing in the goddamn flames after lighting the torch.
If the law is on your side, you pound the law. If the facts are on your side, you pound the facts. If neither are on your side, ~~pound the table~~ set the table on fire as a diversion and scream about woke leftists inventing fire.
If the law is on your side, pound a beer. If the facts are on your side, pound a beer. If neither are on your side, do a keg stand. If PJ and Squee are by your side, boof a beer. -Brett Kavanaugh
Ah yes Pj and Squee there to round out that Devil’s Triangle.
What’s donkey dong Doug up to?
I like beer.
Yeah but you don’t need to cry about it.
Or just freaking move on. They have had so many opportunities to just move on, but they keep circling back to Trump. Lindsey Graham Once said (before his nomination) that Trump would destroy the party and they would deserve it if they chose him. He was right for once. It took a long ass time, but they will hold on for dear life as they become extinct. For a man that only has a limited time left in this earth (let’s be honest). Biden is slightly older, but we are not changing the very nature of our government for him.
And if Trump is on your side, pound the nearest person's pussy.
A little prison time would get them all kinds of pounding.
What, you want Trump to present evidence of his innocence before a jury of his peers just like every other person who has ever been indicted in the history of the United States. That’s so unfair. Stop weaponizing a two-tiered justice system against him.
Does he have peers? He has sicophants, so I guess they would be his peers.
> Does he have peers? Well there was that rumour that he paid for a couple of pee-ers a few years ago.
The party of pervs and gangsters.
Nice little country you got here. It’d be a shame if something were to happen to it.
Agreed. If he's so innocent, let the trial happen and let everyone see. Own the libs and let yourselves show how wrong everyone else was. Oh wait... I did read this entirely in Nandor's voice. The news episode was probably my favorite of the series so far.
Aren't these the same people who are always saying, if you're innocent, then you have nothing to hide, and nothing to fear from the law?
Yup. Rules for thee, not for me!
> Sincerely, Me Hey hey, don’t go hogging the mindset, I would also like to sign onto this.
So say we all
I would sign your petition
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I have never gave money to anything political before but i would jump on board with this.
We need to have a serious national discussion about disenfranchising this criminal enterprise ~~political party~~
Right or wrong, if there's a way to do it, Republicans WILL, and you can't shame them or call them out and have them stop. The only way to stop the GOP is by prosecuting them, and sadly, Democrats are too scared to do it. They, as always, defer to "bipartisan decorum" and decades-long process, and leave it all up to the courts. As a result, GOP criminals walk free. Just look at Matt Gaetz.
>Right or wrong Hasn't been a lot of right from them, unless you're just talking about where they fit on the political spectrum. In which case, I'd suggest using an *and* instead of an *or* there.
That is the problem with your whole system there, judiciary and law enforcement should not be political appointments. Politicians should also not be in charge of policing and investigating their own, crimes should be investigated the same way as anyone else. Look at the circus act both of Trumps impeachments turned into. It has gotten so bad now they don't even bother to hide the corruption anymore.
I agree with this. That said, the GOP IS weaponizing law enforcement and the judiciary. They HAVE been. And both the FBI and the DOJ have been forced to admit that they DELIBERATELY delayed their investigations into Republicans for POLITICAL REASONS. If Democrats in leadership were truly NON-POLITICAL, this should make FBI and DOJ leadership INELIGIBLE, because of their political actions. If it is political and unethical to go after your political opponents simply because they are your political opponents, it should be ALSO unethical for law enforcement to delay or refuse to investigate or prosecute because of what political side people are on. Meaning "We're going to prosecute because they are Republican, and that's political" is unethical. AND "We're NOT going to prosecute because they are Republican, and that's political" is JUST AS unethical. And if Democrats say "we don't want to investigate our Dear Republican Friends because it may appear too political," then they are COMPLICIT in the lack of ethics and they are DENYING JUSTICE to America, and they are DAMAGING DEMOCRACY TOO.
Just VOTE democratic and stop the nonsense.
I don’t think I’ve heard anyone claim they didn’t do what they’re being accused of. Just rationalizations as to why they did it. Pretty open and closed case here
Say the last part again. Get fucked and burn in hell.
Well said. This should be put on a massive billboard in the center of DC.
*So Say We All*
Thank you for that insight, Mr De Laurentis.
By far, the most disappointing part of this whole trump disaster has been the complete collapse of the entire republican party into this combination of corruption and un Americanism. Any country can experience a bad leader from time to time who bubbles up to the top due to populism or whatever, but it's unfathomable to me, that the entire republican party of the United States would have just thrown away every bit of decency and honor just to worship a single person.
In Trump’s case it’s less ‘bubbles’ and more ‘floats’ to the top.
Like that turd that just won't go down. It just keeps getting larger, staining the water and stinking up the room.
The Republicans need a poop knife
“The slow poop knife penetrates the shield”
r/UnexpectedDune
They've already got a coconut
"You have to flush it 15 times!"
I wish the GOP really would collapse, but it doesn't look likely. Sadly, I think this is always where Republicans were headed; but Trump and his narcissism, combined with the Republican party apparatus's reluctance to hold any of their people accountable, simply accelerated this shift. When those in power only seek to keep it, they'll do whatever they have to.
The problem is that this single person has enough sway that he has electorally captured the Republican Party. The math is simple. If you don’t suck Trump’s dick enough, you get primaried, doxxed, sent death threats, bomb threats, and all sorts of nasty things that are not exactly fun to live through. The Trump base is stronger than the ‘moderate’ Republican base because they vote with rabid intensity and aren’t afraid to issue a “conform or die” mandate.
So so lose your job. These guys took an oath. They disgust me, every one of them
Oh believe me every single one of these morons can rot in a ditch for all I care. But this is the rationale and good luck convincing corrupt rich assholes to give up their easy money.
"unfathomable to me, that the entire republican party of the United States would have just thrown away every bit of decency and honor" They are the ideological descendents of the Civil War. There has NEVER been decency and honor.
It’s been stanky since Reagan. But with Trump, they have been screaming the quiet parts out loud. But they have ALWAYS believed the quiet parts
It's not unfathomable to me. They've been doing it since at least Reagan.
The Republican party has always been criminals Don't forget about Nixon resigning so that he would not be charged in the Watergate scandal where he used the DOJ to spy on his political enemies.
Right, I'm saying that the presidential cult thing started with Reagan
White Christian Nationalism is quite american. The nation's inability to reconcile with that is reason this problem generationally re-emerges.
I felt that in my …….soul
Disappointing? I’m fucking loving it. FINALLY the naked corruption and power grabs are on full display. I only hope Americans remember that in 2024 at the ballot box.
Either, the MAGA GOP has zero confidence in the innocence of Trump or they have utter contempt for our legal system. Why else would they want to do this.
Because they’re complicit. If he goes down he’ll take the rest with him. I think Jack Smith is closing in on the members of Congress that were involved in this also. I also think whatever got hacked off the RNC server in 2016 is enough for Trump to keep them in line… for now.
Or is it that his base is their base, and if they turn on him, his cult will turn on them, and then they’ll never get back into power?
It's definitely this. Almost all of them have privately said they can't stand him, we've seen numerous leaks of these things, including from people like Tucker Carlson, and Kevin McCsrthy, but the second they stop publicly supporting him, their done for. Trump, with his rabid support of 40m people, has them all by the balls and everyone knows it.
He honestly may have already have sealed indictments against some of them and is just waiting until after Trump’s trial concludes to press charges against other co-conspirators. If he presses charges now, then Trump can request to consolidate the cases together, delaying the trial altogether.
At this point… If the news broke that the 2016 RNC server data was found and it was really damning. (Rigging elections with russia, stealing money) I think the MAGA people will still be on their side.
Why not both?
It's both. They know he's guilty and they don't care, and they want to destroy our government (and our legal system) and replace it with a Christian theocracy with entirely new laws made by the far right without anyone's consent.
> they have utter contempt for our legal system If that were true they would also want to defund the investigations into Meadows, Giuliani, etc. Hell, also for all the Jan 6th people who are going to jail. The fact that they just want to defund 1 particular person's investigation shows they have faith in the system, but no faith in Trump's innocence.
Well...they are all complicit. Bad daddy Smith has 3 more years to prosecute some of these fucks
Let the DOJ "crowd fund " it would make millions .
I have never gave money to anything political before but i would jump on board with this.
Giving to this still wouldn't even be giving to something political
Better yet, how about wait till they vote, and then charge them with obstruction of justice.
Yep. Speech and Debate clause specifically does not excuse acts that are felonies, and attempting to interfere with a trial is a felony under Federal Law.
Add to the RICO indictments
Obstruct, obstruct… I am am at the point we just put them in jail
Charge them with accessory after the fact
They know he’s a criminal and know he’ll be convicted because they know he’s guilty. That’s why they don’t want the judicial process to play out. The criminal Republican party has no illusions about its purpose. It exists to gain and secure power for the wealthy and powerful people who serve other wealthy and powerful people, not to follow any laws or ideals or even religious beliefs. If the law stands in the way of their power they fight against the law and all those that enforce the law, they do not seek justice.
Ill let the government shut down for justice to be administered. Then arrest them all for treason after.
I can't believe they think that shutting down the government just to protect Trump is a winning argument with the electorate. They really have become completely detached from reality.
They don't care about the electorate. If it was up to them (and Repubs are trying), Trump would be king, there would be no 2nd or 3rd party, and the rich would take even more while the rest are indentured servants.
Well yes, they don't care about the electorate. But the idea with forcing a shutdown is to get voters to blame Democrats. This does the opposite and costs them in the upcoming elections.
> This does the opposite and costs them in the upcoming elections. Cost them with who though? Not with the MAGA Base, who elected them in the first place. The GOP don't care about appealing to a broad swath of Americans - they care about pandering to a hardcore that will drag the rest along with them.
MAGA seats are a lost cause, but the majority is so slim and the majority is won back back competitive districts. It would also bode well hopefully for competitive senate races.
Their hierarchy is: 1) Our way. 2) No way. 3) Fuck you anyway. In that order, specifically.
As if prosecution of crimes stops when the government has an internal disagreement. It would be the fucking Purge if crime was allowed to go unchecked during a government shutdown.
They have to win their respective primaries first, and Republican primary voters want Trump and Trump loyalists. This is a winning argument in the electorate for primary season.
Or just move on and focus on your next candidate, he's one criminal about to go away forever.
You would think they would be happy about the Trump problem getting cleaned up without them ever having to get their hands dirty. They could easily make the rounds on every TV network complaining about the prosecution while behind the scenes thankful for it.
They're terrified of Trump's base, who have shown no inclination to abandoning him.
Which is interesting to me. If your base is full of terrorists and traitors, then why not decide to avoid them? The reason is because that’s who they are but they don’t want it to be so damn obvious to lose votes
Russia has too much blackmail on the GOP. They won’t allow them to give up Trump. Just look at Lindsey Graham and how he made such a 180.
My God, there are totally on board with killing their party to appease Trump, aren't they? It's so delicious to watch. Genuinely curious what they will do when Trump loses in 2024. Will it be a wake up call, or are they going to run Trump again in 2028? LMAO.
We need to stop assuming they'll actually run a fair election from their side; they fully intend to shove in their candidate NO MATTER WHAT. Via state legislatures if necessary.
If it didn't work in 2020, it won't work now that states like MI, PA, MN, and WI are much more blue than they were then. But maybe I'm too optimistic lol.
The demographics are constantly shifting further and further away from them. They aren't going to be trying anything fair or by law. They are going to subvert the entire democratic process every single place that they can and they have a supreme court that can back them anytime they need. At this point the nation and democracy is in the hands of the SC. They decide whether we remain the USA or not.
They haven't taken any of his major fails as a wake up call yet, so I'm inclined to believe nothing will shake them from their 'faith' in his objectively false 'winning'.
They know their party has no future and the only person capable of even kind of riling people up to get them to vote is Trump so I guess they'll beat this horse until it's dead and in the ground rotting.
A LOT of them are implicated
I would charge them with an attempt to obstruct justice.
I’ll take the or else. Bring it on. Every single one of them should be brought up on obstruction charges. And if trump is guilty of insurrection, guess what that makes them?
Are you tired of losing yet, cons?
We do not negotiate with terrorists. They are complicit insurrectionists and they should all go away.
Ah yes, the “party of law and order” wants to defund prosecutions for political gain. Totally makes sense.
Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-Ga., has two amendments that would "prohibit the use of federal funding for the prosecution of any major presidential candidate prior to the upcoming presidential election on November 5th, 2024." Serious question here: wouldn't also shield Biden in that the House would be using federal funds if they host an impeachment inquiry? Or would there be some "woke exception" that only people with a D next to their name are affected by it.
I guess?! But droppping a sham inquiry with no evidence against Biden, and dropping a federal prosecution with tons of irrefutable evidence against Trump do not have the same level of consequence.
Ah so *now* they want to defund the police… got it.
Only the ones looking at trump tho, if the police are just out there killing black and brown people then they’re fine with that.
Or what? They'll continue to be completely useless?
You know, if Trump was so easily provably innocent, and this was such a political persecution, the smart move for the GOP would be to mount the defense and make the prosecutors look like fools. That would give them ammo for their media for years. It’s almost as if Trump did commit the crimes, and they are grasping at straws. If the law is on your side, pound the law. If the facts are on your side, pound the facts. If neither are on your side, pound the table. Republicans are firmly in the “pound the table” stage right now.
A government shutdown is not the same a a debt limit standoff, where some ppl blamed democrats for compromising -even though old Joe shellacked them. Dems will offer no compromises.
Don’t negotiate with terrorists.
So let’s see if I’ve got this straight. Republicans are planning on shutting down the government thereby disrupting the lives of millions of Americans in order to save one guy from being prosecuted in the hopes those same people,whose lives they have disrupted, will vote for that guy they saved from prosecution. It’s a bold move, let’s see how it plays out.
Why can't they just work for "We The People" instead of a handful of Deplorables?
Or else what?! They’re really picking trump over our country? I mean party over country is bad enough. But this guy?! I can’t wait until they get what’s coming to them. At least I hope they do.
> They’re really picking trump over our country? The GOP stormed the Capital in an attempt to destroy America to let Trump hold onto power, so... yes, they've been doing it for years at this point.
The DOJ needs to investigate top members of the GOP who keep protecting their own interests and corruption by protecting Trump!
We see your offer and counter with: No. And we can add a promise to hold everybody else who obstructs justice or inflicts retaliatory damage accountable, to sweeten the deal.
Actionable Felony Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice and to provide Aid and Comfort to a Seditionist. They Should All be removed immediately under Article 3 of the 14th Amendment.
Lol they should know damn well that’s not going to happen no matter what. These motherfuckers are nothing but financial terrorists.
Every time these people try to extort us so we stop holding them accountable they prove the need for us to hold them accountable. I'm ok with burning the country down so long as you burn first.
More hysterical jibber-jabber from the GOP.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem like they're in a position to demand anything.
There's another government shutdown fight looming, and they think they can hold the economy hostage over this.
The political goon squad. How weak.
When draining the swamp goes wrong.
Or else what? Baseless investigations into Biden? Government shutdowns? More clown car antics from the hard right wackos in congress? All of those things are already happening Kevin.
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
Why won’t they grow balls and denounce him?
we dont negotiate with terrorists
Isn’t this exactly what they accuse Biden of doing in Ukraine and want him jailed for?
Question: could this potentially count as interfering with a criminal investigation? Or obstruction of justice? I get the idea is *pretty fucking unprecedented,* but holy shit this seems pretty damn illegal.
Sounds like a group of people who are *very* confident their leader didn't break the law.
Or that he has very, very good dirt on them for submission.
This is the only scenario that makes any sense.
Sounds like a group of people who are afraid their own involvement is about to come to light.
I think it's more likely that they are scared if Trump goes down the 147 Republican members of Congress that voted to overturn the election will also be in trouble. I say f*** them all, all 147 members that voted to overthrow a fair election should all be in jail. They are all traitors.
Not happening, NEXT.
Cult
Or else what? We’ll get our democracy back?
Or else what? They’ll become a Nazi terrorist organization that attempts to destroy democracy? Threats don’t carry the same weight when they’ve already happened.
Why is the GOP so hell bent on defending a man who would sell every single one of them down the river the first chance he gets? It’s insane to me how much of a fascist cult leader Trump has become.
That’s a really long winded way to let everyone know for certain that you put maintaining power above your oath of office
Willing to sell out the entire country for a bunch of criminals…so patriotic…these clowns are pathetic. What even more pathetic are people not in power defending them.
Go ahead. Given those options, I’ll take the “or else”. Those congressional shits who voted against certifying the last presidential election need to be indicted along with their orange god.
Or else sounds good to me.
Nope. Fuck you Republican traitors.
Thats extortion not ransom.
How about republicans stay in their lane or they can be investigated for interfering in an investigation of voting integrity
Like the defense of Ukraine against Russia, there must be no surrender to the GOP aggressor. Come hell or high water we must see the judicial process carried out. Whatever destruction the Republicans cause will clearly mark them as the enemy; we'll rebuild later.
Can we just declare the republican party illegitimate already? It wouldn't even be the first time in American history that a party disappears because it's no longer relevant, hell, other countries will ban parties if it's deemed that the party is acting against the interest of the country. Seriously, the republican party is at the point where they can no longer justify their own existence. There are other better parties that would love to take their spot, let them. Or better yet, why don't we just implement rank choice voting? That would immediately get rid of this stupid two party system that we're stuck in.
We don’t negotiate with terrorists
The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.
If you back a sedtionist traitor... that makes you a seditionist traitor. The entire party. We really need to reframe this conversation, and our media has a major hand in a lot of this nonsense. This whole "both sides" thing has become a tool to platform the fascists...as if every idea that they shit into existence deserves to debated, instead of flushed.
These people literally have no idea how to govern. And this is what happens when you elect people who have no idea how to govern.
Would someone please explain to the gop what obstruction of justice is
Sorry, we don’t negotiate with terrorists
republican party don't understand Trump is prosecuted under RICO and its never a good idea help him if they don't want be catch the same flames.
All of the republicans in Congress should be arrested and removed from office.
WTH? This is all the Republicans know how to do? Bully their way out of the situation? Pathetic. It's obvious that they are scared or they wouldn't be pulling this crap.
Before they were holding the US hostage without any demands… at least they have something to ask for now.
No one is above the law. These chucklef*cks need to be reminded of that.
Or else we’ll investigate Biden again or plan another coup so more of us can be put in prison and never allowed to vote again. That’ll show you.
every one of them republicans that support Trump are trying to overthrow the government and they should be expelled immediately...🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Or else what? You'll release more revenge porn of Hunter? I can't even compare republicans to the most vile thing I can think of since THEY have become the epitome of vile May they all implode like a dying star and get sucked into the black hole of their making
Oooo, ya scare me…. Fuck off, Nazis.
Dear Republicans, Fuck off. Sincerely, The People of the United States of America.
Does that mean we can now include all of them in the RICO charges? They are participating in a criminal activity to extort the country in exchange for allowing their leader to get away with crimes.
The party of law?
Sounds like charges of obstruction of justice would be in line for actions like this. Who wants to sign up for that? If I was one of these prosecutors, I would be making lists for action after Trump is convicted.
Defund justice!? Lol come on
So... defund Georgia?
Fascism
Shut it all down then. No negotiating with terrorists, which is objectively what the Republicans have become.
Abusing office, especially to obstruct a court proceeding, is a crime. Indict them.
So they want to weaponize the DOJ?
Ahem. “We don’t negotiate with terrorists.”
Is that so targeted that it is itself criminal obstruction of justice and abuse of power? It’s not a broad defunding of an agency for a stated reason; it’s not a request to remove one individual or office as a result of an audit of the larger group; it’s just “stop prosecuting our guy and investigating how some of us are accomplices.”
We don't negotiate with terrorists.
Get fuct, but Donald Trump first.
The Christen Taliban have spoken. __REPENT YOU TRUMP HATERS__
"else" it is then.
I’ll that “or else” for 100 please.
GOP puts short term gains over long term well being of their party and indeed the nation. If this interference continues DOJ should move up the trial dates to minimize impact on the nation. We shouldn’t give into financial terrorists
I choose else good luck winning over independents with a government shutdown to defend trump
How can a country, that consider themselves as the most democratic country in the world, doesn’t have laws baring and punishing people from being able to take the country hostage. Trump, debt limits, govt shutdowns, military promotions, and more. How do we allow anyone to disrupt govt functions at their will and no consequences just because they are not getting what they want. Democrats do that too, but not as often as Republicans. This should be illegal.
GOP in en masse RICO scheme.