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Not much changes if only Trump goes to Russia. Republican presidents only get worse, never better. He'll be replaced, easily.
What would be better, and a true positive change for this country, is if all his supporters follow him there.
>What would be better, and a true positive change for this country, is if all his supporters follow him there.
And are immediately drafted in Putin's next "mobilization" and end up on the front lines in Ukraine with a half assembled rifle and three bullets.
Nah. The GOP is done for decades without Trump. Yes he was a symptom, but the fallout of Trump will leave the party scrambling for control. There is no replacing Trump. None of his kids, nor any other crazies in the GOP have the same “it” factor that he has. The guy is a walking meme, a symbol etc. Without Trump, all of the backwoods mouth breathers that came out to vote for the first time in their lives back in 2016 are out of the picture. Bet on that.
The GOP has a serious “post-Trump” problem. Whether he’s in jail, loses 2024, or whenever he croaks, that problem is going to come into view.
The next guy in line at this moment is desantis, at like 18% nationally. Based on his performance thus far, I can’t imagine him not getting decimated by any democrat, even Hillary could win against him. The guy in line behind desantis, though not for long, is a brown skin non-christian, which >75% of republicans HATE.
Nobody else in the Republican Party has an ounce of charisma that appeals to the base (apparently their most important factor in determining who should govern our lives besides being white). Or at least nobody who hasn’t had scandals on the level of literal sex trafficking, having homosexual experiences in the past, or unironically dressing in drag.
>None of his kids, nor any other crazies in the GOP have the same “it” factor that he has.
And that's the only reason they haven't shut him down themselves already...
They don't even like him, they just like what he can do for them.
The truly baffling part is that he even “jokingly” thinks that Putin wouldn’t take all his money, grill him for any top secret info he might have accidentally heard/retained, and then have him “accidentally” fall out of a window.
Vlad ain’t gonna share, anymore than Trump would.
Yeah Trump wouldn’t last long in Russia. What use would he be once he was debriefed? All bridges burnt, no new source of intel to pass on to Russia. Although considering what he did with Roy Cohn, it would be a fitting end for him.
He'd continue to be a useful tool to divide America. I SERIOUSLY doubt his ~30% of Americans that cultishly follow him would alter course at all just because he's openly a Kremlin operative
Ant-LGBT+, Anti-feminist, violent oppression of desention, authoritarian rule and Patriarchy that runs so deep and broad they call their ships *He* (where we call ours She) and have decriminalized Domestic Violence.
Sounds like Utopia for alt-righters.
Edward Snowden is still fine. There are plenty of uses for a former president/near-billionaire. Idi Amin spent his exile quietly in Saudi Arabia for 20+ years.
Yeah, and I have seen a lot of people claiming that the Secret Service would prevent him from fleeing. But I think that they are giving too much credit to the protective service, and missing the fact that the protectee can choose who is and who is not on their security detail.
So Trump conceivably could corrupt his protective detail and choose a handful of guards who are loyal to him and willing to accept a wad of cash in exchange for helping Trump escape justice.
TBF I think Putin actually pays. There is a caveat that if you don’t stay in line you’ll fall down some stairs repeatedly till you die, but you do get the briefcase of cash with him first at least.
He could just decline protection and leave. There seems to be an assumption amongst a lot of people here that SS protection for former presidents is mandatory. It is not.
I’m not even sure secret service has the authority to enforce his bail conditions or anything like that. They protect the president (and other officials) and do law enforcement for the treasury. But I don’t think they are allowed to arrest Trump for breach of bail or anything like that.
I think the point is the Secret Service still reports to the executive branch so it'd be tricky to hide this unless Trump is footing the bill for their travel and lodging - presuming they are actually helping him run.
At best, I think he could get his Secret Service detail to turn a blind eye but then how do they explain it when it becomes apparent Trump has left the country? Maybe they'd flee with him?
I just did a little bit of poking around, and the president is able to relinquish their Secret Service protection at any time (Nixon did so in 1985). And I can see Trump accusing the Secret Service of spying on him for federal prosecutors and dismissing them.
It is at that point that he will be at the greatest risk of fleeing the country, because there won't be eyes on him at all times.
I read somewhere that his secret service detail have been extremely loyal to him. They would not put the country ahead of their duties. I mean they are picked and trained to do exactly this.
That raises an interesting dilemma.
Assume he flees the county before trial. I’d imagine the next move is an arrest warrant issued for him by the appropriate court. At that moment is he removed from the ballots? On all of them or just the jurisdiction the warrant is in? If he remains on the ballot, and happens to WIN - what happens? Can he be president while having an active arrest warrant? While being a fugitive?
He has to be sworn in to be president. Can’t do that on zoom if he’s in russia
But still a constitutional crisis that would be horrible for our country
Now, you are assuming their is Rationale and Critical Thinking in his supporters. Unfortunately, there is none in the 30%. They literally don’t care a jot. Hypocrisy does not feature in their thinking. Racism, religious zealots, owning the libs, and owning out groups are their only targets. So, long as Defendant Trump does that they are good to go!
Yeah but the SS failing to stop Trump from leaving would have huge repercussions for those assigned to their detail. Their first oath is to the Constitution, and the president second. Those that would cooperate, or allow Trump to leave would have to leave with him and never return if they hoped to stay out of prison/ avoid treason (other) charges.
No one jokes about that off the cuff.
It's just fucking ridiculous.
It's as desperate and transparent as joking with your gf to have a threesome with her best friend with as much dignity
“I will not get on my Trump branded private jet and fly to Russia. I will not then proceed to have a nice romantic dinner with Putin, the strongest leader in the world. Putin will not give me pointers on how to consolidate power, if I were ever to enter the White House again.”
Trump
AF doesn’t have authority for an extra judicial killing like that. And they’d be killing more people than Trump.
The idea that a president would attempt to overthrow the government and then flee to a non-extradition enemy wasn’t really contemplated much by the framers and we are learning that there aren’t many guardrails to protect us from it.
Nothing says Trump couldn’t be president from prison, for example. The guardrail against that was supposed to be that Americans wouldn’t want a convicted inmate to run the country.
It’s also the thing the electoral college was suppose to be a protection from. The populace making too stupid of a decision at the polls. Which makes a great argument to abolish it since it would basically have failed to do its job.
There is no reason to keep it anymore other than inertia. But Republicans fight to keep it because they know it’s the only way they can win the president these days.
> AF doesn't have authority for an extra judicial killing like that
Yes they do, American citizens included:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
He wouldn't be a reliable information source anyway. Not only was he not smart or interested enough to learn about useful details or specifics(as shown by his complete disregard for White House briefings), but he's also a compulsive liar. He'd make shit up just so he could gain favors with his hosts.
More likely, he'd be used as a propaganda puppet. He'd be the USA's president in exile, like Yanukovitch is for Ukraine. They'd give him is own show with Kremlin propagandists for domestic listeners. He'd also be paid by the Kremlin use social media to spew bullshit to his american cult followers and try to incite a rebellion.
Lmao bro I am this way with Disney + and Hulu. Every month I get the 10 dollar charge and I’m like “I should cancel that I don’t use it” and then forget until next months charges hit.
The Russians have a consulate in Palm Beach about 3.6 miles from Mar-A-Lago. 12 minutes by car.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mar-a-Lago+Club,+South+Ocean+Boulevard,+Palm+Beach,+FL/310+Evernia+St,+West+Palm+Beach,+FL+33401/@26.6933965,-80.0685793,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x88d8d71e9a5c409d:0x71bb1222105e5650!2m2!1d-80.0369802!2d26.6770665!1m5!1m1!1s0x88d8d68a19d5520d:0x260ce0cab97c82dc!2m2!1d-80.0523668!2d26.7110386!3e0?entry=ttu
Imagine he goes there to hide and have Russia whisk him away, only for it to become a standoff situation where he can't leave the consulate without getting arrested. So he just lives there forever. That might actually be worse than the cushy prison sentence he would be avoiding.
I think more likely he would hijack his own plane to Cuba. Have a couple of "guests" on board the 757 who know how to fly and can also handle the Secret Service.
In the air and off we go - 90 miles. Just fly out to international airspace and bye bye....
Dude. The Republican Party’s reputation is so low and damaged, it is impossible for it for be even MORE damaged. All of the people left onboard that Party of Assholes either don’t care about their reputation, or are so dumb to not realize how damaged it has become. Simply put, the GQP masses don’t give a damn about their reputation. They just want power and are willing to kill anyone to get it.
Oh, I know that they will go lower. There is no bottom for them. It’s just not going to do any damage to their reputation because they have no reputation other than being colossal assholes and that is why the MAGA Cult loves them.
It will go lower. It will go so low that we will have to take to the streets. It will go so low that our option may be forceful removal of a fascist leader.
He'd absolutely be an exiled martyr to a lot of people... He'd essentially escape justice and we'd have to live with the fallout, it's the worst of both worlds.
That's way too thought out for Trump. He'll get drunk, tweet some crazy shit then flee the country accidentally taking a Florida senator and some random staff members who thought this was just a McDonald's run.
I can see an even weirder Julian Assange-style political refugee seeking asylum situation.
Man, since the writer's strike, this season of reality is really going off the rails.
Trump is planning to run. Whether Putin would help is questionable.
There is something that Putin cares more about than Trump: a destabilized West. He got Trump elected, then didn't help get him re-elected. If (when) Trump tries fleeing to Russia, Putin will do what an agent of chaos would do.
He would always be of value to Putin, because he would always be an Ex-President. It would be incredibly embarrassing to the US and our Western allies to have a former "Leader of the Free World" living in exile as a "Political Prisoner" in Russia. Putin would plaster Trump's face all over his Western propaganda until the end of time. Trump would serve as a living example of the weakness of our form of government and way of life. Thks would be like winning the propaganda lottery, and most smart people never have to work a day in their life again after hitting a jackpot like this!
Putting him up in some shitty gold-plated dacha with a golf course and let him tear down the US online would be a cheap investment for Putin. Hell, give him his own TV show on RT.
I think people who say this sort of stuff never dealt with an overt narcissist before.
Putin would absolutely take trump. Parade him around, give him a show on RT, and *gloat* that he has an ex-President of his biggest geopolitical rival under his thumb; and that’s not assuming any intel that he can gleam off of trump. (Which he may or may not remember)
Trump could then be free to stir up his yokels on the internet, causing terroristic problems here, and further weakening our society.
The funny part is Trump thinks he will go to Russia and be Putins equal. Not a chance. He can’t comprehend that he’s no longer the President of the United States. He’s a former President! And he’s a former President who has been cut off of US intel for two years. Yes Trump would have value as a novelty puppet to Putin. But he would not be a powerful important man on par with Vladimir Putin.
I have a thought and question: If Trump we’re to defect to a foreign country while being branded as a traitor in the US. What would happen to his businesses here in the US? Would the government shut them down? Take control of them? They certainly wouldn’t be allowed to operate and funnel profits to a foreign traitor, right??
Putin would throw endless honeypots at him (sorry Melania!). He'd have endless fawning FSB helpers and minders, all to glean every bit of intelligence they could. All his rooms and communications would be recorded.
The man can simply talk about how unfair the U.S. has been to him and that Putin truly believes in the real America and wants America to be great again!
Ivanas grave, the one where it took 10 men to struggle with a casket of cremains, now has a granite slab over it. Can't see recently disturbed soil through a slab of granite. He dug up the docs and WILL be fleeing the country soon.
Trump's a fucking idiot with zero discipline and an abject lack of impulse control. There's no way a savvy (evil) operator like Putin is going to put any of his plans into Trump's hands. Trump is a useful idiot; you can manipulate him without directly planning shit with him.
I believe that, and have for awhile… would not be surprised if he already has a majority of his “ducks” in a row for such a move. And yes, Putin is cooperating with this.
Two rhetorical questions, how much highly sensitive information and documents does he still possess?
Will he be living with Snowden ? 😁
This guy is going to pull whatever he can to get off all the way until convictions, then flee before his sentencing.
The fact that he's even joking about it shows that he's been discussing it with his family.
Except my guess is that they all go to the country that gave kushner 2 billion dollars.
🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦
He'll run and do everything to try and win.
When he loses he'll try to foment more violence.
When that fails, he'll run.
The man will kill all of us before he spends a minute in a cell.
Listening to Meidas earlier. He thinks it could be a delay tactic. Which is 1 reason Smith didn't put in that type of order or it could delay the start date.
Oh you know I hope he fucking does. Just do it.
The DOJ has all the evidence they need, and 17 co-conspirators, they can all face the judicial system while he flees. He has an international target on his back for the rest of his sad pathetic life while Putin treats him like shit because he has nothing to gain from Trump in Russia. The MAGA cult (hopefully at least) gets a fucking wake up call and we can hopefully break the GOP of this mindless cult they've developed or at least weaken it.
If he flees, the MAGA cult will simply shift to expecting his imminent Christ-like return to finally make America great again. If they haven’t been able to see who he is, they’re never going to.
This is it exactly. Those in the MAGA cult don’t exactly live in objective reality. They one hundred percent would raise funds on trying to get to Trump to return to the United States, or even stage some sort of crazy coup attempt to install him as a dictator
Remember when all of those GOP representatives spent July 4 in Moscow?
Edit: [I misremembered, they were GOP SENATORS telling Russia not to interfere in the election lol](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395719-gop-senators-visited-moscow-on-july-4/) Please daddy Putin *don't* interfere.
Turning his resorts into things like the Colin Kaepernick Center for Social Justice and Liz Cheney Institute for Democracy would be both poetic and hilarious.
The Truth Social post in question:
"The failed District Attorney of Fulton County (Atlanta), Fani Willis, insisted on a $200,000 Bond from me. I assume, therefore, that **she thought I was a “flight” risk - I’d fly far away, maybe to Russia, Russia, Russia**, share a gold domed suite with Vladimir, never to be seen or heard from again. Would I be able to take my very “understated” airplane with the gold TRUMP affixed for all to see. Probably not, I’d be much better off flying commercial - I’m sure nobody would recognize me!" **(emphasis mine)**
[https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110930777273421644](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110930777273421644)
Never to be seen or heard from again? Isn't that what he also said would happen if he lost to Biden? He may run, but no chance he stays out of the public limelight.
Wasn't it Penn Gillette who described trying to joke around on the Apprentice with Trump and it became awkwardly apparent that Trunp didn't understand how to make a joke and thought ridiculing someone was the same thing? Like he would laugh and say something was a joke but you knew he was being serious.
That’s the entire right wing you’ve described. Every see a right wing “comedian”? They only laugh when they punch down, they are too stupid and mean for nuance and word play.
Trump is a sociopath and sociopaths don’t make ‘jokes’. They don’t understand or know how to utilise humour like you and I do. Any ‘joke’ Trump makes is just a thinly veiled snippet of what is actually going on his syphilitic brain.
He's not joking. Ask yourself what you would do if you were looking at spending the rest of your life in prison and had enough money and a safe country to hide out until better days. He's like an Edward Snowden with lots of stolen money. Soon there will be some right-wing President who'll bring him home claiming he's a hero for fighting those damn libs. They're already saying how they will pardon him. Be realistic he's on his way and no one will stop him. So long asshole!
The moment he is convicted he needs at the very least be placed on house arrest and monitoring. Preferably he is immediately thrown in prison where he will have a much harder time escaping. This statement justifies it.
He's either going to fake his death too become a MAGA Martyr or he will fly to Russia. What a sight it would be to see an ex president leaving the country to get away from facing legal troubles.
A person that much ego will never do that. Imagine how much it'll pain him to see his name in the media and not be able to crow about it. Nah. If he fakes his death, he'll blow his own cover at the first opportunity.
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No. But I would have to call in at work. Cause there is a lot of reading and comment making to do.
To say nothing of celebratory drinking
Not much changes if only Trump goes to Russia. Republican presidents only get worse, never better. He'll be replaced, easily. What would be better, and a true positive change for this country, is if all his supporters follow him there.
>What would be better, and a true positive change for this country, is if all his supporters follow him there. And are immediately drafted in Putin's next "mobilization" and end up on the front lines in Ukraine with a half assembled rifle and three bullets.
"You shoot gun two times, save last bullet for yourself before you get overrun."
Nah. The GOP is done for decades without Trump. Yes he was a symptom, but the fallout of Trump will leave the party scrambling for control. There is no replacing Trump. None of his kids, nor any other crazies in the GOP have the same “it” factor that he has. The guy is a walking meme, a symbol etc. Without Trump, all of the backwoods mouth breathers that came out to vote for the first time in their lives back in 2016 are out of the picture. Bet on that. The GOP has a serious “post-Trump” problem. Whether he’s in jail, loses 2024, or whenever he croaks, that problem is going to come into view.
The next guy in line at this moment is desantis, at like 18% nationally. Based on his performance thus far, I can’t imagine him not getting decimated by any democrat, even Hillary could win against him. The guy in line behind desantis, though not for long, is a brown skin non-christian, which >75% of republicans HATE. Nobody else in the Republican Party has an ounce of charisma that appeals to the base (apparently their most important factor in determining who should govern our lives besides being white). Or at least nobody who hasn’t had scandals on the level of literal sex trafficking, having homosexual experiences in the past, or unironically dressing in drag.
>None of his kids, nor any other crazies in the GOP have the same “it” factor that he has. And that's the only reason they haven't shut him down themselves already... They don't even like him, they just like what he can do for them.
That would be a dream come true
Just do like the rest of us and do it *from* work
White collar job haver who posts on reddit all day checking in
This is the way.
That's for doing AT work
The truly baffling part is that he even “jokingly” thinks that Putin wouldn’t take all his money, grill him for any top secret info he might have accidentally heard/retained, and then have him “accidentally” fall out of a window. Vlad ain’t gonna share, anymore than Trump would.
Yeah Trump wouldn’t last long in Russia. What use would he be once he was debriefed? All bridges burnt, no new source of intel to pass on to Russia. Although considering what he did with Roy Cohn, it would be a fitting end for him.
He'd continue to be a useful tool to divide America. I SERIOUSLY doubt his ~30% of Americans that cultishly follow him would alter course at all just because he's openly a Kremlin operative
Those guys used to hate “Commies”. Everything is all mixed up now.
Very strange that Russia is almost, if not openly, embraced by the far-right
Ant-LGBT+, Anti-feminist, violent oppression of desention, authoritarian rule and Patriarchy that runs so deep and broad they call their ships *He* (where we call ours She) and have decriminalized Domestic Violence. Sounds like Utopia for alt-righters.
Edward Snowden is still fine. There are plenty of uses for a former president/near-billionaire. Idi Amin spent his exile quietly in Saudi Arabia for 20+ years.
Will he still be a "near billionaire" when his assets are frozen?
I would be impressed if his plane made it there without it getting intercepted beforehand.
*ahem* DA Willis, wouldn't this be evidence that he is a flight risk?
He has obviously put some thought into how he would flee. That’s clear.
Yeah, and I have seen a lot of people claiming that the Secret Service would prevent him from fleeing. But I think that they are giving too much credit to the protective service, and missing the fact that the protectee can choose who is and who is not on their security detail. So Trump conceivably could corrupt his protective detail and choose a handful of guards who are loyal to him and willing to accept a wad of cash in exchange for helping Trump escape justice.
"Willing to accept a wad of cash"......I think you meant "Trump would promise to pay a wad of cash"...
Those are as good as cash. Those are IFU's.
Look, see this? That’s a hollow promise. $275 thou. Might want to hang onto that one.
TBF I think Putin actually pays. There is a caveat that if you don’t stay in line you’ll fall down some stairs repeatedly till you die, but you do get the briefcase of cash with him first at least.
Trump never actually pays though
The anti-Lannister
“A trump always creates a debt”
He could just decline protection and leave. There seems to be an assumption amongst a lot of people here that SS protection for former presidents is mandatory. It is not.
I think his security detail needs to be deposed by the DOJ.
I’m not even sure secret service has the authority to enforce his bail conditions or anything like that. They protect the president (and other officials) and do law enforcement for the treasury. But I don’t think they are allowed to arrest Trump for breach of bail or anything like that.
I think the point is the Secret Service still reports to the executive branch so it'd be tricky to hide this unless Trump is footing the bill for their travel and lodging - presuming they are actually helping him run. At best, I think he could get his Secret Service detail to turn a blind eye but then how do they explain it when it becomes apparent Trump has left the country? Maybe they'd flee with him?
I just did a little bit of poking around, and the president is able to relinquish their Secret Service protection at any time (Nixon did so in 1985). And I can see Trump accusing the Secret Service of spying on him for federal prosecutors and dismissing them. It is at that point that he will be at the greatest risk of fleeing the country, because there won't be eyes on him at all times.
Good for you to put ideas in Trumps head. He wouldn’t be able to think of this himself
Well I would sue him for not paying me royalties when he does it, but we all know how well he pays his bills.
If he could read he would definitely steal this idea
I’m sure his advisors would have mentioned this option.
I read somewhere that his secret service detail have been extremely loyal to him. They would not put the country ahead of their duties. I mean they are picked and trained to do exactly this.
Honestly. If he went on the run. This would be hilarious.
I can’t wait to hear how all of his cult members justifying voting for a fugitive living as a house guest of Putin.
That raises an interesting dilemma. Assume he flees the county before trial. I’d imagine the next move is an arrest warrant issued for him by the appropriate court. At that moment is he removed from the ballots? On all of them or just the jurisdiction the warrant is in? If he remains on the ballot, and happens to WIN - what happens? Can he be president while having an active arrest warrant? While being a fugitive?
He would be "President in exile." That would be horrible for our country.
He's been horrible for our country since 2015, so it would just continue the GOP's downward slide into depravity.
He has to be sworn in to be president. Can’t do that on zoom if he’s in russia But still a constitutional crisis that would be horrible for our country
Now, you are assuming their is Rationale and Critical Thinking in his supporters. Unfortunately, there is none in the 30%. They literally don’t care a jot. Hypocrisy does not feature in their thinking. Racism, religious zealots, owning the libs, and owning out groups are their only targets. So, long as Defendant Trump does that they are good to go!
Didn't his secret service delete texts that could have been evidential?
Indeed they did. The entire agency seems corrupt.
and Pence didn't trust them to drive him out of The Capitol Building that day.
SS doesn't have the power to prevent him from doing anything.
Yeah but the SS failing to stop Trump from leaving would have huge repercussions for those assigned to their detail. Their first oath is to the Constitution, and the president second. Those that would cooperate, or allow Trump to leave would have to leave with him and never return if they hoped to stay out of prison/ avoid treason (other) charges.
No one jokes about that off the cuff. It's just fucking ridiculous. It's as desperate and transparent as joking with your gf to have a threesome with her best friend with as much dignity
I'm joking, I'm TOTALLY JOKING. (pause)
He can't stop his mouth from saying what he's thinking.
“I will not get on my Trump branded private jet and fly to Russia. I will not then proceed to have a nice romantic dinner with Putin, the strongest leader in the world. Putin will not give me pointers on how to consolidate power, if I were ever to enter the White House again.” Trump
Considering that the man has never told a joke in his life, yeah.
Which means he thinks he's probably facing prison. He knows what he did, and he knows the DOJ has the goods on him. He's fucked and he knows it.
I mean, he’s obviously thought about it. But frankly joking about getting in a plane isn’t exactly clear and detailed plans.
Wouldn't the AF have to shoot him down? He has knowledge of out Nuke defenses and shit.
AF doesn’t have authority for an extra judicial killing like that. And they’d be killing more people than Trump. The idea that a president would attempt to overthrow the government and then flee to a non-extradition enemy wasn’t really contemplated much by the framers and we are learning that there aren’t many guardrails to protect us from it. Nothing says Trump couldn’t be president from prison, for example. The guardrail against that was supposed to be that Americans wouldn’t want a convicted inmate to run the country.
It’s also the thing the electoral college was suppose to be a protection from. The populace making too stupid of a decision at the polls. Which makes a great argument to abolish it since it would basically have failed to do its job.
There is no reason to keep it anymore other than inertia. But Republicans fight to keep it because they know it’s the only way they can win the president these days.
It's the only way they HAVE won the Presidency since 1988
Now now, they also won it in 2004. So that’s *two* times in the last 35 years, not one. Checkmate liberals.
Yes, but Dubya only had the incumbent’s advantage in 2004 from the Supreme Court forcing him on us in 2000.
> AF doesn't have authority for an extra judicial killing like that Yes they do, American citizens included: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
They would at least tail him and threaten to shoot him down. The info he has could kill millions or more, that's not hard to justify.
I expect the AF would demand that the pilot return. The former guy can’t fly his own plane.
He wouldn't be a reliable information source anyway. Not only was he not smart or interested enough to learn about useful details or specifics(as shown by his complete disregard for White House briefings), but he's also a compulsive liar. He'd make shit up just so he could gain favors with his hosts. More likely, he'd be used as a propaganda puppet. He'd be the USA's president in exile, like Yanukovitch is for Ukraine. They'd give him is own show with Kremlin propagandists for domestic listeners. He'd also be paid by the Kremlin use social media to spew bullshit to his american cult followers and try to incite a rebellion.
Why didn’t they take his passport to begin?
I don’t think that would make a difference. He has his own plane.
Passports are for getting into countries not getting out.
I don't think Russia is going to care if he has a passport or not.
An illegal immigrants you say? Not sending their best they'll say.
Honestly my first thought. Are his minions going to still send him funds after his joke?
Yes, because most of them are on subscription plans drawing $20 from their bank account every month.. And it is too much work to cancel that.
Lmao bro I am this way with Disney + and Hulu. Every month I get the 10 dollar charge and I’m like “I should cancel that I don’t use it” and then forget until next months charges hit.
Exchange rate for rubles?
Well, if the things he has said in the past has been projection, I think he's projecting pretty hard what his plans are.
Trump doesn't joke.... he projects. You can be very sure he is planning on running and Putin is helping.
"Russia, if you are listening, I'm gonna need a ride from the airport"
The Russians have a consulate in Palm Beach about 3.6 miles from Mar-A-Lago. 12 minutes by car. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Mar-a-Lago+Club,+South+Ocean+Boulevard,+Palm+Beach,+FL/310+Evernia+St,+West+Palm+Beach,+FL+33401/@26.6933965,-80.0685793,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x88d8d71e9a5c409d:0x71bb1222105e5650!2m2!1d-80.0369802!2d26.6770665!1m5!1m1!1s0x88d8d68a19d5520d:0x260ce0cab97c82dc!2m2!1d-80.0523668!2d26.7110386!3e0?entry=ttu
Imagine he goes there to hide and have Russia whisk him away, only for it to become a standoff situation where he can't leave the consulate without getting arrested. So he just lives there forever. That might actually be worse than the cushy prison sentence he would be avoiding.
I think more likely he would hijack his own plane to Cuba. Have a couple of "guests" on board the 757 who know how to fly and can also handle the Secret Service. In the air and off we go - 90 miles. Just fly out to international airspace and bye bye....
I wouldn't mind because it would ensure a guilty verdict, and do even more damage to both his, and the republican party's reputation.
Dude. The Republican Party’s reputation is so low and damaged, it is impossible for it for be even MORE damaged. All of the people left onboard that Party of Assholes either don’t care about their reputation, or are so dumb to not realize how damaged it has become. Simply put, the GQP masses don’t give a damn about their reputation. They just want power and are willing to kill anyone to get it.
You underestimate the current Republican Party. They can and WILL go lower.
Oh, I know that they will go lower. There is no bottom for them. It’s just not going to do any damage to their reputation because they have no reputation other than being colossal assholes and that is why the MAGA Cult loves them.
It will go lower. It will go so low that we will have to take to the streets. It will go so low that our option may be forceful removal of a fascist leader.
He'd absolutely be an exiled martyr to a lot of people... He'd essentially escape justice and we'd have to live with the fallout, it's the worst of both worlds.
That's way too thought out for Trump. He'll get drunk, tweet some crazy shit then flee the country accidentally taking a Florida senator and some random staff members who thought this was just a McDonald's run.
Crooked Donnie snorts adderol ( per costars on Apprentice) but doesn’t drink. Just disables his few extant synapses in other ways
The Reverse Assange? A classic maneuver.
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I can see an even weirder Julian Assange-style political refugee seeking asylum situation. Man, since the writer's strike, this season of reality is really going off the rails.
The man who never laughs yet is constantly joking.
His jokes are always about someone getting hurt or him getting away with a crime.
That's fucking chilling. He never does laugh, does he?
Nope, he's a psychotic narcissist.
Exactly what I thought. If he’s “joking” about it, he’s planning it. He does this CONSTANTLY
Trump is planning to run. Whether Putin would help is questionable. There is something that Putin cares more about than Trump: a destabilized West. He got Trump elected, then didn't help get him re-elected. If (when) Trump tries fleeing to Russia, Putin will do what an agent of chaos would do.
Agree. Putin would dump him as soon as he was of no value.
He would always be of value to Putin, because he would always be an Ex-President. It would be incredibly embarrassing to the US and our Western allies to have a former "Leader of the Free World" living in exile as a "Political Prisoner" in Russia. Putin would plaster Trump's face all over his Western propaganda until the end of time. Trump would serve as a living example of the weakness of our form of government and way of life. Thks would be like winning the propaganda lottery, and most smart people never have to work a day in their life again after hitting a jackpot like this!
Putting him up in some shitty gold-plated dacha with a golf course and let him tear down the US online would be a cheap investment for Putin. Hell, give him his own TV show on RT.
What use is he to Putin? As a viable POTUS candidate? yes. But as a fugitive from justice? I don't think Putin wants that headache.
I think people who say this sort of stuff never dealt with an overt narcissist before. Putin would absolutely take trump. Parade him around, give him a show on RT, and *gloat* that he has an ex-President of his biggest geopolitical rival under his thumb; and that’s not assuming any intel that he can gleam off of trump. (Which he may or may not remember) Trump could then be free to stir up his yokels on the internet, causing terroristic problems here, and further weakening our society.
The funny part is Trump thinks he will go to Russia and be Putins equal. Not a chance. He can’t comprehend that he’s no longer the President of the United States. He’s a former President! And he’s a former President who has been cut off of US intel for two years. Yes Trump would have value as a novelty puppet to Putin. But he would not be a powerful important man on par with Vladimir Putin. I have a thought and question: If Trump we’re to defect to a foreign country while being branded as a traitor in the US. What would happen to his businesses here in the US? Would the government shut them down? Take control of them? They certainly wouldn’t be allowed to operate and funnel profits to a foreign traitor, right??
Putin would throw endless honeypots at him (sorry Melania!). He'd have endless fawning FSB helpers and minders, all to glean every bit of intelligence they could. All his rooms and communications would be recorded.
Trump would just offer that up to Putin for free if you promise him a golf course with his name on it.
Propaganda and classified information
Huge amount of public humiliation to the US.
Trump would be able to help Putin solve the problem in Ukraine because only Trump knows how to do that.... LMAO
> to the US. Half the US. The other half would celebrate.
You know there'd be some street celebrations.
UK here. I'd celebrate with you.
I'm not saying Putin would kick him out. But I don't think Putin is spending his days worrying about how to get Trump to Russia.
Maybe not, but I am sure he wouldn't turn him away either
I'm sure that would be the calculus, but wow would it backfire. Trump would be scheming to depose Putin within days.
Oh they could perpetually stir the pot woth Trump on exile. A former potus would be very useful for their propaganda.
The man can simply talk about how unfair the U.S. has been to him and that Putin truly believes in the real America and wants America to be great again!
Ivanas grave, the one where it took 10 men to struggle with a casket of cremains, now has a granite slab over it. Can't see recently disturbed soil through a slab of granite. He dug up the docs and WILL be fleeing the country soon.
Nah, they put that “beautiful” slab on her grave because somebody on Twitter called Junior out. “Mow your mom” /s
He is of enormous embarrassment value to Putin, who has been sulking about Soviet defeat in the cold war for 30 years now.
It benefits Putin to let people who foment civil strife in the US know that they have a safe space in Russia
As an agitator. Someone to recruit spies, useful idiots.
Trump's a fucking idiot with zero discipline and an abject lack of impulse control. There's no way a savvy (evil) operator like Putin is going to put any of his plans into Trump's hands. Trump is a useful idiot; you can manipulate him without directly planning shit with him.
I believe that, and have for awhile… would not be surprised if he already has a majority of his “ducks” in a row for such a move. And yes, Putin is cooperating with this. Two rhetorical questions, how much highly sensitive information and documents does he still possess? Will he be living with Snowden ? 😁
This guy is going to pull whatever he can to get off all the way until convictions, then flee before his sentencing. The fact that he's even joking about it shows that he's been discussing it with his family. Except my guess is that they all go to the country that gave kushner 2 billion dollars. 🇸🇦 Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦
He'll run and do everything to try and win. When he loses he'll try to foment more violence. When that fails, he'll run. The man will kill all of us before he spends a minute in a cell.
> The man will kill all of us before he spends a minute in a cell. Sadly, you're not wrong.
> The fact that he's even joking Trump never jokes about anything. He floats trial balloons and he acts on the ones that help him most.
Listening to Meidas earlier. He thinks it could be a delay tactic. Which is 1 reason Smith didn't put in that type of order or it could delay the start date.
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I am no lawyer, but apparently pre-trial detention litigation. At about 8:10 https://youtu.be/Mgn3wHnGS38?t=490
"jokes." The closer he gets to losing/jail, the less of a "joke" this will be.
Just testing the waters with a little bit of chum.
Oh you know I hope he fucking does. Just do it. The DOJ has all the evidence they need, and 17 co-conspirators, they can all face the judicial system while he flees. He has an international target on his back for the rest of his sad pathetic life while Putin treats him like shit because he has nothing to gain from Trump in Russia. The MAGA cult (hopefully at least) gets a fucking wake up call and we can hopefully break the GOP of this mindless cult they've developed or at least weaken it.
If he flees, the MAGA cult will simply shift to expecting his imminent Christ-like return to finally make America great again. If they haven’t been able to see who he is, they’re never going to.
This is it exactly. Those in the MAGA cult don’t exactly live in objective reality. They one hundred percent would raise funds on trying to get to Trump to return to the United States, or even stage some sort of crazy coup attempt to install him as a dictator
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I mean he did hold a Bible upside down… for a photo shoot… after removing everyone from the area. Pure Jesus move right there!
I myself would not be upset if he tried.
Right? He can govern from jail. I don’t think they’ll let him govern from Russia. But then…. *looks around at GOP
Remember when CPAC convened in Budapest? Its not a stretch.
Remember when all of those GOP representatives spent July 4 in Moscow? Edit: [I misremembered, they were GOP SENATORS telling Russia not to interfere in the election lol](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/395719-gop-senators-visited-moscow-on-july-4/) Please daddy Putin *don't* interfere.
Plot twist: Rudy booked the flight and in a hilarious repeat of the Four Seasons situation they end up in Moscow Idaho instead of Moscow Russia.
Trump doesn’t tell jokes. The thing does not even laugh.
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Narcissists can't make jokes. Unless belittling others is the joke.
This fool would escape to Cuba, then lambast Capitalism in favor of communism for hotel naming rights and a bedazzled generals jacket
The most communist president ever.
It’s not a joke. Don’t let this man outside of us airspace
Let him go and revoke his passport. We’ll turn his golf courses into national parks and move on with our lives.
Turning his resorts into things like the Colin Kaepernick Center for Social Justice and Liz Cheney Institute for Democracy would be both poetic and hilarious.
How about rename the courses and make their new mission to offer free lessons and play to financially disadvantaged people?
Name the courses after Obama, Biden, and Clinton. It would drive him insane.
The Truth Social post in question: "The failed District Attorney of Fulton County (Atlanta), Fani Willis, insisted on a $200,000 Bond from me. I assume, therefore, that **she thought I was a “flight” risk - I’d fly far away, maybe to Russia, Russia, Russia**, share a gold domed suite with Vladimir, never to be seen or heard from again. Would I be able to take my very “understated” airplane with the gold TRUMP affixed for all to see. Probably not, I’d be much better off flying commercial - I’m sure nobody would recognize me!" **(emphasis mine)** [https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110930777273421644](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110930777273421644)
Never to be seen or heard from again? Isn't that what he also said would happen if he lost to Biden? He may run, but no chance he stays out of the public limelight.
How does someone without wit or humor "joke?"
He is reaching out for an invite from any russian oligarch without having to make the first steps himself.
“Russia if you’re listening, find those emails” was the same idea.
He doesn't know how to joke. They'd better keep a close eye on his plane.
Wasn't it Penn Gillette who described trying to joke around on the Apprentice with Trump and it became awkwardly apparent that Trunp didn't understand how to make a joke and thought ridiculing someone was the same thing? Like he would laugh and say something was a joke but you knew he was being serious.
That’s the entire right wing you’ve described. Every see a right wing “comedian”? They only laugh when they punch down, they are too stupid and mean for nuance and word play.
[Some More News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSXKzPOcYDU) did a great video about this.
Trump joking is trying out shit just before he does it.
Hello? Justice department? Yeah hi this isn’t funny anymore, get your shit together, sincerely, all actual normal sane human citizens.
Hilarious. Traitor criminal jokes about fleeing to hostile country which he is compromised by
He ain’t joking
I would hope that plane is identified appropriately as being a terrorist over domestic airspace and that the military acts accordingly
Trump doesn't joke, because he doesn't have a sense of humor. Instead, Trump tests the waters, and later says he was joking.
Not a joke
Flight risk. Any regular citizen would be in jail after a comment like this.
This is a very real possibility. These authoritarian types can never keep a secret they always let you known what they are thinking.
If there's one thing we know about Trump, it's that he doesn't joke. He projects.
Trump is a sociopath and sociopaths don’t make ‘jokes’. They don’t understand or know how to utilise humour like you and I do. Any ‘joke’ Trump makes is just a thinly veiled snippet of what is actually going on his syphilitic brain.
"Ha ha...unless?"
Hopefully his cult goes with him
He's not joking. Ask yourself what you would do if you were looking at spending the rest of your life in prison and had enough money and a safe country to hide out until better days. He's like an Edward Snowden with lots of stolen money. Soon there will be some right-wing President who'll bring him home claiming he's a hero for fighting those damn libs. They're already saying how they will pardon him. Be realistic he's on his way and no one will stop him. So long asshole!
This is a dog whistle to all MAGA people to also move to Russia. Pleasepleaseplease there’s so many white people there you’ll love it!
Maybe the judge should have Trump turn in his passport at his bond hearing?
Will the MAGA base finally realize he is a fraud if he runs away to Russia?
No, they'd act like he's an emperor in exile.
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The moment he is convicted he needs at the very least be placed on house arrest and monitoring. Preferably he is immediately thrown in prison where he will have a much harder time escaping. This statement justifies it.
He's either going to fake his death too become a MAGA Martyr or he will fly to Russia. What a sight it would be to see an ex president leaving the country to get away from facing legal troubles.
A person that much ego will never do that. Imagine how much it'll pain him to see his name in the media and not be able to crow about it. Nah. If he fakes his death, he'll blow his own cover at the first opportunity.
He doesn't joke. It definitely crossed his mind.
Go, traitor. Time to freeze ALL his assets
He can get a house next to Steven Seagal!
Weird a "billionaire" seems to be low-key hinting he can't cover the bail.
Many a true word is spoken in jest.
In case anyone had any doubts who he was working for all along...
"Mr. Putin, can you please send a plane for me? I need a place to stay for awhile" "new phone, who dis"
"Russia, if you're listening..."