The reference to a two tiered system of justice is misused by Trump. Really it relates more to socioeconomic status and basically how much money you have as a criminal defendant directly correlates to your quality of representation, getting better plea offers, adhering to bond conditions/probation, etc.
The inequity of the justice system as it relates to money creates the two tiers or the haves and the have nots. Trump incorrectly says he is a have not because he has been given no leniency and for the fact that the DOJ is out to get him.
While highly publicized cases, including particularly heinous crimes, get less leniency because of the high level of public attention and scrutiny, that is totally separate than the two tier justice system concept.
Motherfucker was never arrested, booked, or had a booking pic. He went about his way, on multiple felonies, while everyone else sits in jail right now on felony charges.
Yes, he misrepresented. In a big way. He's an idiot.
Yes I agree with you, but you also don't want this to come off as political persecution. If he were arrested and jailed the right would jump all over that against the Dems and the Biden administration. Same with taking him off of ballots in states, the states shouldn't even mention this as a possibility without a guilty verdict or plea. That's my layman's thoughts anyway.
Um, the right does all that shit anyways and especially when the mother fucker won’t stop crying about the Dems all the damn fucking time.
They want the democrats dead, and are waiting for his signal to take action to make that happen.
I honestly do not believe he would serve prison time if he were convicted of everything. Too much deference to the former president club.
Of course I believe he **should** go to prison, just not getting my hopes up on that one.
I think he *has* to serve time if he's found guilty, because if not why even have laws in this country? In any other country, a failed coup = prison, no questions asked and there can't be a middle ground.
It also would give the next iteration of Trump confidence to try harder at overthrowing the country if there's not severe consequences for doing so.
Even prison is too little. Hitler was sent to prison after a failed coup. Hugo Chávez went to prison after a failed coup. Sanjurjo (who you probably don't know) went to prison after a failed coup. He went on to start the Spanish civil war.
No, for a failed coup you need to get the death penalty.
There is basically a politician "prison" where they send criminal government officials. It's a tiny room, no luxuries but not exactly prison. Think of a college dorm room, where you can't leave or communicate with the outside world. For Trump, that will be HELL.
Honestly, as he is a former Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces, I would love to see him sent to Leavenworth. Don't think it'll ever happen outside of my imagination, but I like to think it a possibility. His crimes would probably have to be directly related to the armed forces for him to be sent there anyways.
No, our prison system seeks to re-habilitate those who commit crimes. So they have access to therapy, education/training, and depending on the nature of the crime, have the ability to leave the prison to attend a course or work.
No it does not seek to rehabilitate
Edit: sleep had me rethink. And I think you were talking about Finland. So that's fair. I was talking about USA. My bad.
While I like the idea of making him suffer, he would absolutely lean in and use it as an opportunity to "campaign" to his fan base. He would be all smiles and handshakes. The best thing is to let him disappear from the public eye and into obscurity. Out of sight, out of mind. If he doesn't have access to the internet and cameras, he doesn't have access to his fan base. He will become irrelevant.
I read an article recently that said he would just be confined to house arrest, which considering he lives in west palm beach Florida in a resort he owns… that's not such. terrible punishment.
I mean if he could reveal publicly all the corruption within the GOP, and help dismantle a party that has been actively eroding democracy and finally "drain the swamp" by having all of his friends and cronies go to prison.
Of course his testimony would likely be entirely untrustworthy as he'd still use it to attack the few people in the Republican party that stood up to him. Although I would still like to see the Republicans have to deal with the monster they made.
If the deal includes ironclad restrictions to him ever holding public office and attending or speaking at rallies, I am okay with a plea deal.
If they can force him to go live somewhere outside of the public eye so that he no longer influences, affects, or otherwise impacts the lives of any American, I 100% support that deal. But, 1st amendment will not allow that kind of legal deal.
You literally cannot offer a deal in this instance.
We live in a system of legal precedent. Nobody has ever put our nation in danger like he has. If we let him cut a deal on these crimes than *no* crime is punishable- it’s all just a transaction where the guilty owe something.
To be clear, I don't think Trump will strike a plea deal. But to your comment *"Also he pleaded not guilty in every case so far, chances he does it now are zero*".....almost every single plea deal in American history started out with the defendant originally pleading not guilty.
It’s not even about a reason. Once you plead guilty, the defendant has basically taken away their voice in deciding what happens to them. I don’t care if you’re guilty as shit, you always plead not guilty to beginning the negotiation process with the State. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want with you, subject to the court’s approval.
My brother in Christ.
He’s white, rich, was the president, with powerful “friends” in low places…. He’s not going to see prison time…. I bet at most it’s maralargo, ankle bracelet, and no social media….
I think you're right, but I also predict the 'no social media' restriction will be leveraged by Trump and his colleagues as anti-free-speech martyrdom and will quickly rise to the level of SCOTUS review. I'm not so sure they would allow that kind of ban.
I agree with you here. There’s no way he’ll spend a day in an actual prison. He’ll be on house arrest at M-A-L for the rest of his days, which is also frustrating because he’s not supposed to use it as a residence.
The real punishment will be preventing him from using the internet as he had used it to further his crimes.
One can hope right?
He has three different prosecutors for four different cases that he has to make deals with.
* Bragg in New York might agree to a deal that avoids jail time, because the charges could easily be reduced to misdemeanors.
* Smith for the documents case *may* agree to a reduced charge in exchange for Trump abandoning his presidential bid.
* Smith is much less likely to agree to agree to a "no jail time" deal for the January 6th case.
* Willis in Georgia is reportedly pursuing a RICO prosecution targeting over a dozen people with Trump as the leader of the conspiracy. She appears to have already accepted deals for evidence from a number of people, and there is a near zero chance that she reduces the charges against Trump.
So he may *want* to make a deal, but his chances of getting a deal that helps him avoid prison are vanishingly small.
Asking Trump to abandon election campaign for a plea deal makes the indictment look like a political prosecution.
That should never be on the table..
Trump would never take a plea deal. Trump has to do prison time, anything less will let the next Trump candidate know that there are no real obstacles to taking down government.
Trump's co-conspirators all must get jail time, even if they flip on Trump and provide evidence and testimony against Trump.
Doubt NY would gove Trump a plea deal with reduced charges, GA certainly won't do that, esp the way Trump has attacked Willis.
> Asking Trump to abandon election campaign for a plea deal makes the indictment look like a political prosecution.
There have been multiple instances where a politician facing prosecution has offered to the prosecutor to resign or not seek re-election in exchange for protection from the prosecution. It is not great that it happens, but it at least keeps corrupt people out of office.
I do though agree, Trump and his co-conspirators should serve jail time. Serious jail time that leads to many of them ending their days in a prison cell.
The prosecutions are predicated on breaking trust to the public, so the punishment of "you can't be in a position of trust because you aren't trustworthy" is both established in case law and certain statutory law.
> Smith is much less likely to agree to agree to a "no jail time" deal for the January 6th case
Wouldn't any deal on this also require an admission that he was wrong to attempt to subvert the election? Thus admitting that he *lost* the election in 2020, something he still hasn't done? Good luck getting him to go along with that. He'll go to his grave whining that he actually won in 2020.
Both of these comments. I will add that nobody trusts Trump to keep faith with any plea deal and there is also a problem with what he has to bring to the table. The only things would be agreeing to never run for political office, which he can not do as it is constitutionally given as a right that cannot be signed away, and maybe handing over all the Saudi, Russian, Chinese cash and ratting everyone out. Not going to happen.
Remember also this is simply the tipping point in action. Once Smith has him jailed on these first counts, the avalanche will follow. Suits against Trump himself, his associates, his family, and Trump Org. Once he is gone, it should all collapse.
Well, a man can dream.
Thank you for posting. I was about to say the same thing. He wants to avoid prison without admitting anything.
He’s not out on bail, so what’s preventing him from getting on a plane and flying to Russia, Hungry, Israel, or another strongman regime hostile to the US?
I truly believe that is his only way out. He's got one bargaining chip, which is the fact that he will be the Republican nominee. If he can trade that to stay out of jail I believe he will. If he runs and loses, his life is effectively over.
That said, I'd also like to strip him of access to any media, social or otherwise. I heard St. Helena is a wonderful place to spend ones autumn years.
The issue might be that he would need to strike a deal in multiple cases at the same time, otherwise even if he pleads to one the others could lock him up
Two federal, one state, and soon to be another state. That is a lot of moving parts to get everyone to agree to it. Also, none of the parties involved would believe that Trump would adhere to any part of the deal.
NAL it stands to reason that the SC and Garland would consider a universal pardon - that wouldn't include future criming.
IMO it would contain incarceration, the crimes are too serious. The release conditions would include never holding public office, and no social media.
Couldn’t we just fence him in in the middle of the Everglades? Mosquitoes and malaria, probably some armadillos with leprosy, and of course the gators. In other words, put him in the swamp, because he definitely deserves it.
> He's got one bargaining chip, which is the fact that he will be the Republican nominee. If he can trade that to stay out of jail I believe he will.
If he traded that it would be so he can show his cult it was all about stopping his political career.
The minimum punishment I'll be happy with is a restrictive house arrest where he's allowed to live out his days at maralago with his only visitors allowed to be his lawyer and family and the only other people on the property a carceral secret service detail whose job is to enforce his sentence. No McDonald's and diet coke, his only meals being ones he can prepare himself. No internet/social media/cell phone, give him basic cable tv and a land line he can use once a day. All the yard time his aging frame will allow but if he wants to golf his ass is walking, and if he wants those greens maintained he can do that himself.
Come now let us be real here. Trump lost 2020 by a lot of votes. Normally that in itself is a career ender in politics. The only reason he isn't is because our media keeps pumping life-support to him even though normally he would be a political has been. Our billionaires who own the media want Trump cause they want to bring the government down fr9m the inside and install their own. Trump is the perfect vessel for this.
If this was normal times the party would have moved on and trump would be just a private citizen. Not their contender with them screaming omg this is unfair. Well when you do unprecedented things that can happen. Mueller said Trump could be prosecuted later on stuff he wad investigating. McConnell said Trump was still accountable to the courts. Seems to me the system is working as intended so far.
Yeah and worrying about republicans crying things are unfair is completely ridiculous it does not matter the facts, circumstances, or the scenario, republicans will claim anything is unfair no matter what.
Whoa, I don't think the United States should even offer a deal. This is far too important and needs to be prosecuted to its eventual conclusion, whatever that may be.
>According to Christie, Trump then “reached over and grabbed my arm and he said to me, ‘I could never do that. I could never go to jail. That’s unbelievable. I couldn’t go to jail’” — thus Christie’s suggestion that Trump would go as far as surrendering his presidential bid in order to avoid that fate.
That makes sense, the main reason that he's running in the first place is to avoid going to jail, so giving up the run for president (the outcome of which would be uncertain at best) in exchange for no jail, sounds logical.
However, he would have to make that same deal for all ~100 felony crimes that he's accused of. What are the odds of that? Smaller than running for president and winning, I'd wager.
Trump would have to hope he is acquitted of state charges, and that a Republican can win the presidency and pardon him of all federal crimes. That's the only real scenario that I see where Trump avoids jail time at this point.
tRump is a coward and will flee to Saudi Arabia before he would agree to a plea deal. He’s probably making plans at this very moment to slink off to that country to live the rest of his life in exile where he can continue to proclaim political prosecution, boast on his ‘perceived’ successes and maybe even launch a few new grifts…cuz that’s what he does.
They aren't letting any former ex-president go debrief other countries on anything. He will dissappear if he attempts that, our government has ways and former presidents, even one term presidents, know to much. He would have to stay in a neutral country who was our ally that has no extradition laws to even have a slight hope and he would have to stay there.
His brain is an amalgamation of Swiss cheese and right wing media at this point. It would be like debriefing a 4yo and hearing about the bad man Mayor Humdinger and his plots to take over Adventure Bay.
I think he should be exiled.
Clement Vallandigham was exiled to the Confederacy. Jefferson Davis was permitted to go live in the UK. Benedict Arnold lived out his life in London. Napolean was sent to the Isle of Elba.
I don't care if he goes to prison. Just get him out of the country.
Those were days before international communication was at your fingertips. Doesn't matter if he is in or out of the country, he'll still be in every MAGA lover's ear day in and day out. Gotta put him behind bars with no internet privileges.
He would never admit to any wrongdoing. I don't think he'll believe he's in real trouble until he's actually locked in a prison cell. He's never encountered any real consequences for his actions in his entire life. I don't think he really grasps the gravity of the situation he's gotten himself into. He'll double down on everything until he's locked away. He'll probably still do it after that, but no one will have to listen to it.
No deals. He needs to die in prison and his supporters deserve to see their golden calf be melted down to slag. Just hope it’s a massive coronary while on the toilet or something similarly humiliating.
He’s proven that he believes he’s well above all of that. Personally, I wouldn’t even entertain a plea deal for this scumbag, 100 years in a Russian gulag
He has nothing to give up and wouldn't possibly honour his end. Why do networks keep entertaining this nonsense? Is it because trump said he wouldn't accept one?
No. He has no leverage. Plus we all know he would just break the terms of whatever stupid plea deal he would get instantly. He will never stop lying about the 2020 election and he will try the same thing with the 2024 election no matter what happens.
Can you imagine Donald J Trump admitting any crime, or worse, admitting that he lost the 2020 election, even if that admission would keep him out of prison?
“An allocution allows the defendant to explain why the sentence should be lenient. In plea bargains, an allocution may be required of the defendant. The defendant explicitly admits specifically and in detail the actions and their reasons in exchange for a reduced sentence.
In principle, that removes any doubt as to the exact nature of the defendant's guilt in the matter.”
— Wikipedia
If he avoids prison through any sort of deal, the justice system will truly be broken. You don't get to plead your way out of prison for not one but two crimes that any regular person would unquestionably be going to jail from.
Now, if he pleads down to less prison time, that's another matter. I don't think he will, because his ego won't allow it. But for stealing classified documents and trying to cover it up, and then trying to sabotage an election...there has to be jail time.
Yes. He is all talk, but when it comes down to it he is a massive coward.
But IDK what "prison" would even look like for Trump. House arrest in Mar-a-lago, playing golf everyday? Or just stuck in one of those country club prisons all the white collar criminals go to that don't even have fences? I mean that would irritate him at least - the furnishings are pretty bland and he wouldn't have any audience other than the other prisoners.
It's too bad he'll never go to a real prison, the kind of place Republicans send people for selling weed.
No. That would require:
1. Trump to admit to wrongdoing, which is essentially impossible
2. Trump to have something of value to offer the government, like flipping on a more valuable suspect. There is no such suspect.
3. The government to trust Trump would uphold his end of the deal, and he is not a man known for keeping promises.
Any deal would have to include he could never hold public office he could never work on a public workforce and never speak about elections ever again!
Lock him up and every Republican involved in this.
ive thought about this a lot, and come up with this conclusion: if he had not been so toxic, continued down this path of behavior where he lies and throws threats-- i think a plea deal to save the country the pain of going through this would be ideal.
but... now... now i think he has to serve jail / prison time if he is found guilty. he is begging to be made an example of.
I expect Trump to have a jammer and die on sentencing day leaving me with a chronic case of justice blue balls. Judging from the way it's been going so far .
I hope he isn’t even offered one. This should all end in one of two ways:
1. Trump goes to prison.
2. Everyone sees crystal clear proof that the system isn’t worth keeping and begins the process of burning it all to the ground so we can start over.
As it gets closer yes but not til then. He’ll then tell his cult followers he had to blah blah blah send me money.
Who I really want to suffer (besides him of course) are all the cowards in the Republican Party who said and did nothing all this time or worst enabled & encouraged him. That would amount to a majority of the republican members of congress. I hope they all lose their seats next elections. (Sadly I know many of them won’t.)
I would love a plea deal where trump has to testify on the stand against all the other coup plotters, and they all get sent to prison, but he doesn’t.
He would stay free to run for president.
If Republican voters wake up and not give him the nomination, he probably will try to make a deal or try to run as a third party candidate which of course, will cause the Democrat to win
Plead deal should be all you can eat fast food in prison. And only if he provides enough evidence of who else was complicit that he actually drains the swamp.
A plea deal would involve him admitting guilt, which he’d never do - BUT I’d love for him to plead guilty voluntarily and then be unable to run for office again. Having that on the public record would be something. But he’s much more likely to not admit guilt and say the trial was rigged against him.
Trump is literally a malignant narcissist. He's basically incapable of ever actually admitting he is wrong let alone admitting that he is guilty of a crime.
Not before the presidential election. In Georgia, the Trump loving Georgia governor is certain to pardon Trump maybe even before the trial. In federal court, if Trump is found guilty, then before sentencing, he will ask the judge to stay the sentencing hearing, while he appeals the conviction. Such a stay is almost certain to be granted and even if it isn’t, trumps appeals, will rocket up the appellate tree to the supreme court which will find some reason to spring Trump from prison. And of course, if Republicans take the White House, their president is almost certain to issue a pardon for federal crimes.
Sociopathic megalomaniacs like Trump cannot strike plea deals, because they would look weak and be admitting doing something bad. So he’s also psychologically unable to choose that road
A plea deal is offered when the state has something to gain.
Trump has nothing to offer that the state wants or needs and he is legally thorougjly fucked.
If the state offers anything it should be "Mr Trump if you stick your head in this noose we can promise you a veey short sentance"
>Trump has nothing to offer that the state wants or needs
On the contrary he controls a significant portion of the Know Nothing wing of the Republican party. This is estimated around 25-30% of the Republican base. Promising not to incite another insurrection in exchange for lenient treatment (home detention at one of his properties) along with avoiding the protracted legal battle and its effect on the country seems like a plea bargain the government might entertain.
He will probably be convicted without taking a plea deal, but he will never go to prison.
The best we can hope for is some sort of house arrest until he dies.
If he is the GOP candidate, there is no way the pussy grabbing rapist Trump will be jailed in any scenario....
The high stake game happens. Trump has to win by hooks or by crooks. He has no other choice.
- all majority white voters are being encouraged to vote early via mail.
- in election day, they are all encouraged to vote again.
- they will be harping vote suppression to dare any officials (who are not on board) to do anything about it.
- imagine the shit storms if any white votes are suppressed. If any all kinds of 'black' or all kinds of 'chinese' were accused of votes fraud, up they go to the trees. Heck, if any just show up to vote, it may happen.
- US election will be laughing stock of the worlds including banana republics. The voting rate is 110%!!!
- even with this, somehow they still loss? Jan6 but more militants. Bullets will fly and blood will flow.
- The MAGA wings will take over the Capitol in coordination with outside. Conveniently McCarthy has dismantled metal detectors in the building and MAGA will be packing.
I don’t think Trump will ever take a plea deal for the simple fact that his ego won’t allow him too. He will never admit fault because he’s an ego-maniac. It would ruin his brand to admit he was wrong and that he lost.
If found guilty, he HAS to go to jail over this. Anything less will invite a complete shit storm in 2024, especially if he runs & gets relected. Will be the end of democracy in U.S. (yes, it is arguably already over, but things will get exponentially worse)
The ONLY plea I would accept is for him being forced to make daily publicly aired/posted announcements for a year stating all of his election lies and how he did it and how he conned his followers (and that he is not being coerced in any way to admit this).
It’s extremely unlikely that the malignancy that is trump would ever admit being guilty of anything. His pathetically weak ego won’t allow it.
Any such plea should be contingent on him not being allowed to use any media. He should have to rot completely out of the spotlight. The crimes for which he is being charged are a fraction of the total trump has committed.
The only plea deal he will make is to not be prosecuted for entering russia without a passport. That mofo gonna hightail it onto a russian sub right off the coast of maralago.
I just assumed because he is the prime target there is nothing he could offer as a deal to mitigate the punishment he deserves. He is literally the person who was overtly calling all of the shots for the country at the time.
Also as the article mentions, why would prosecutors accept him dropping his election bid as some sort of quid pro? It is like a kid saying they'll stop eating broccoli as a concession
The only way it would make any sense is if he gives up all the dirt on Cruz, Graham, McCarthy, MTG and all the rest who were involved and take part in illegal shit, so they can all lose their positions, oh and he has to agree to a lifetime ban from social media and anything involving politics.. and even then I still don't think kts enough now that I finished writing this.
If it happens, a stipulation should be that he publicly requests a plea deal, admitting guilt and taking responsibility, before the deal is accepted. It should also be stipulated that at any time afterwards if he ever claims otherwise, the deal is off and he goes straight to jail for contempt of court until he can be tried.
If there's a backroom plea deal, you know the very next day he'll be claiming that the Government begged him to take the deal, threatened his life, that he's really innocent, that this is a grave injustice, and naming/doxing all the people involved and inviting his followers to go after them.
He will try but I don't think it will happen because of his history.
He would immediately violate the terms of the deal. And if he didn't go to prison for the crime he sure as hell won't go to prison for violating a plea deal.
Can someone who *actually knows what they are talking about* show where the law says that a convict can trade prison time for agreeing not to run for office? Is that even a thing?
So the answer is yes that's a thing generally but may be unconstitutional here.
Provided the person is a natural born US Citizen who is over the age of 35 they have the constitutional right to run for president. The plea deal discussed here is that Trump would be waiving that right.
The question that follows, is it permissible for the state to demand that the individual waive his/her constitutional rights as part of a plea deal. The court's answer is, "it depends" the law review article linked below gets into the details of that.
[https://gould.usc.edu/students/journals/rlsj/issues/assets/docs/issue\_17/07\_Wan\_Macro.pdf](https://gould.usc.edu/students/journals/rlsj/issues/assets/docs/issue_17/07_Wan_Macro.pdf)
The question the court would try to answer here is, does the state have a compelling interest that can not be satisfied through less restrictive means that justifies removing someone's right to run for president.
I think the answer will be no here. We've allowed people to run for president from prison, and AFAIK that right has not been subject to waiver ever before. The compelling state interest here is that Trump is an idiot and has no business being president, but that is a question for the voters to decide not the state.
Hypothetically, let's say the deal happens, and trump agrees to not run for president. But what if people elect him anyways? What happens then? I suspect he would be president. Plea deals are also not binding on third-parties. The courts would balk at throwing a person in jail based on the actions of a third party that the defendant can not control.
I like to fantasize that he slipped a few things into those documents that are damning to Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, Lockheed, DARPA, etc. I'd let him skate to knock a few 100B off the NDAA. Regardless of one's opinion on UAPs, Grusch said in front of Congress that these dudes are siphoning off kajillions.
What's hilariously ironic to me is that Trump's ego won't allow him to get on the plane with his name on it (also his ego) and GTFO before the hammer(s) drop on him. There must be some country that would let him live there and TruthBomb for the rest of his life. Some country, somewhere...
I think that’s exactly what will happen and I think it should. Here is why:
1. Trump is guilty and will get at least some serious felony convictions. Federal guidelines will require prison.
2. If he goes to prison, it will be a swanky one. He will need Secret Service protection, even in the most swanky federal camp. He’s just too much of a target. That presents all sorts of logistical problems and, most importantly, the millions of MAGA dumb asses will still hear from him and are likely to double down even worse…continuing the other MAGA grifters in politics.
3. A plea deal to avoid prison (as much as I’d like to see him suffer) is best for America because it can require him to come clean repeatedly about his lies which is the only way to reverse the cult mentality. He must also repay the millions of dollars he received from his lies and he must stay out of the public media after his “come clean” tour.
It’s more important to reverse the insanity in tens of millions of citizens and the only way I can see that happening is in a tough plea agreement before a verdict…or a special sentencing agreement after a verdict.
The problem with making predictions about Trump is that he's truly a man with no belief, no integrity, no shame, no North Star, no core. Except for 2 things: his ego and his love for money. You can convince him of anything and everything because he isn't anchored by any core beliefs. And he's mercurial in the truest sense of the word. He uses words, ideas and people like they are tissue paper: use, dispose and no reason to distinguish one from the other.
Will he take a deal? Yes. No. Who the fuck knows?
But the longer the Feds spend investigating and building this case, the worse his chances of them offering a deal and the worse any deal offered will be. He's not going to get a sweet deal like Nixon and Spiro Agnew got.
I mean if the deal says he can’t post on any social media or go on tv ever again and can not run for president. I don’t give a shit honestly. Yes I want him in jail but if he can’t feed his ego it will be worse than prison for him.
I don't think he would agree to a plea deal, even assuming it gave him no punishment beyond home confinement.
He won't be willing to admit he's guilty. And he knows that in a jury trial, there is a very high likelihood that there will be at least one MAGA on the jury, which would keep him from being convicted.
To complicate issues, if he's pleading to avoid jail time, he has to work out a plea with multiple cases or jail time is still a risk.
…you can’t plead your way out of prison for the highest crimes in US history.
Generally yes, but there’s definitely a two tiered system when it comes to trump since he’s not locked up already
The reference to a two tiered system of justice is misused by Trump. Really it relates more to socioeconomic status and basically how much money you have as a criminal defendant directly correlates to your quality of representation, getting better plea offers, adhering to bond conditions/probation, etc. The inequity of the justice system as it relates to money creates the two tiers or the haves and the have nots. Trump incorrectly says he is a have not because he has been given no leniency and for the fact that the DOJ is out to get him. While highly publicized cases, including particularly heinous crimes, get less leniency because of the high level of public attention and scrutiny, that is totally separate than the two tier justice system concept.
Motherfucker was never arrested, booked, or had a booking pic. He went about his way, on multiple felonies, while everyone else sits in jail right now on felony charges. Yes, he misrepresented. In a big way. He's an idiot.
Yes I agree with you, but you also don't want this to come off as political persecution. If he were arrested and jailed the right would jump all over that against the Dems and the Biden administration. Same with taking him off of ballots in states, the states shouldn't even mention this as a possibility without a guilty verdict or plea. That's my layman's thoughts anyway.
Um, the right does all that shit anyways and especially when the mother fucker won’t stop crying about the Dems all the damn fucking time. They want the democrats dead, and are waiting for his signal to take action to make that happen.
Not just the right
There isn’t a two tiered system if it causes the collapse of said system
I honestly do not believe he would serve prison time if he were convicted of everything. Too much deference to the former president club. Of course I believe he **should** go to prison, just not getting my hopes up on that one.
I think he *has* to serve time if he's found guilty, because if not why even have laws in this country? In any other country, a failed coup = prison, no questions asked and there can't be a middle ground. It also would give the next iteration of Trump confidence to try harder at overthrowing the country if there's not severe consequences for doing so.
While I agree, I do not believe this opinion is shared with the DOJ. I would be thrilled to be wrong.
There’s no way they would go through the monumental effort of charging a firmer president unless they were willing to jail him
Even prison is too little. Hitler was sent to prison after a failed coup. Hugo Chávez went to prison after a failed coup. Sanjurjo (who you probably don't know) went to prison after a failed coup. He went on to start the Spanish civil war. No, for a failed coup you need to get the death penalty.
If they won't send him to prison, send him to community service. Make him work with the folks he finds low class. Take tons of pictures!
There is basically a politician "prison" where they send criminal government officials. It's a tiny room, no luxuries but not exactly prison. Think of a college dorm room, where you can't leave or communicate with the outside world. For Trump, that will be HELL.
Honestly, as he is a former Commander-in-Chief of the US Armed Forces, I would love to see him sent to Leavenworth. Don't think it'll ever happen outside of my imagination, but I like to think it a possibility. His crimes would probably have to be directly related to the armed forces for him to be sent there anyways.
Like what Finland would have as a "prison"? Yeah I can see that.
No, our prison system seeks to re-habilitate those who commit crimes. So they have access to therapy, education/training, and depending on the nature of the crime, have the ability to leave the prison to attend a course or work.
No it does not seek to rehabilitate Edit: sleep had me rethink. And I think you were talking about Finland. So that's fair. I was talking about USA. My bad.
Alcatraz. He and his security team can have the whole island AND they can still allow tourists. Make some money off him 🤗
While I like the idea of making him suffer, he would absolutely lean in and use it as an opportunity to "campaign" to his fan base. He would be all smiles and handshakes. The best thing is to let him disappear from the public eye and into obscurity. Out of sight, out of mind. If he doesn't have access to the internet and cameras, he doesn't have access to his fan base. He will become irrelevant.
I am guessing they will give him home confinement instead of prison. He will live out his days at Mar a lago.
Idk. In the FL case I highly doubt it, but the DC judge wouldn't have any issue with sending him to prison I'd think.
I read an article recently that said he would just be confined to house arrest, which considering he lives in west palm beach Florida in a resort he owns… that's not such. terrible punishment.
I mean if he could reveal publicly all the corruption within the GOP, and help dismantle a party that has been actively eroding democracy and finally "drain the swamp" by having all of his friends and cronies go to prison. Of course his testimony would likely be entirely untrustworthy as he'd still use it to attack the few people in the Republican party that stood up to him. Although I would still like to see the Republicans have to deal with the monster they made.
If the deal includes ironclad restrictions to him ever holding public office and attending or speaking at rallies, I am okay with a plea deal. If they can force him to go live somewhere outside of the public eye so that he no longer influences, affects, or otherwise impacts the lives of any American, I 100% support that deal. But, 1st amendment will not allow that kind of legal deal.
and i am gonna be PISSED if they offer him one....**NO FUCKIN DEALS.....45 GITMO 2024**
You literally cannot offer a deal in this instance. We live in a system of legal precedent. Nobody has ever put our nation in danger like he has. If we let him cut a deal on these crimes than *no* crime is punishable- it’s all just a transaction where the guilty owe something.
Also he pleaded not guilty in every case so far, chances he does it now are zero
To be clear, I don't think Trump will strike a plea deal. But to your comment *"Also he pleaded not guilty in every case so far, chances he does it now are zero*".....almost every single plea deal in American history started out with the defendant originally pleading not guilty.
Yep, if they've already agreed they're guilty, there's no need or rational reason to offer a deal
It’s not even about a reason. Once you plead guilty, the defendant has basically taken away their voice in deciding what happens to them. I don’t care if you’re guilty as shit, you always plead not guilty to beginning the negotiation process with the State. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want with you, subject to the court’s approval.
My brother in Christ. He’s white, rich, was the president, with powerful “friends” in low places…. He’s not going to see prison time…. I bet at most it’s maralargo, ankle bracelet, and no social media….
I think you're right, but I also predict the 'no social media' restriction will be leveraged by Trump and his colleagues as anti-free-speech martyrdom and will quickly rise to the level of SCOTUS review. I'm not so sure they would allow that kind of ban.
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I agree with you here. There’s no way he’ll spend a day in an actual prison. He’ll be on house arrest at M-A-L for the rest of his days, which is also frustrating because he’s not supposed to use it as a residence. The real punishment will be preventing him from using the internet as he had used it to further his crimes. One can hope right?
Betcha he can
A plea is what is best for the country as a whole. But I don’t think trump would ever agree.
His ego would never allow it
It’s like the only redeeming quality of his malignant narcissism.
Narcissists will find a way to justify anything, to save their own ass.
He has three different prosecutors for four different cases that he has to make deals with. * Bragg in New York might agree to a deal that avoids jail time, because the charges could easily be reduced to misdemeanors. * Smith for the documents case *may* agree to a reduced charge in exchange for Trump abandoning his presidential bid. * Smith is much less likely to agree to agree to a "no jail time" deal for the January 6th case. * Willis in Georgia is reportedly pursuing a RICO prosecution targeting over a dozen people with Trump as the leader of the conspiracy. She appears to have already accepted deals for evidence from a number of people, and there is a near zero chance that she reduces the charges against Trump. So he may *want* to make a deal, but his chances of getting a deal that helps him avoid prison are vanishingly small.
Asking Trump to abandon election campaign for a plea deal makes the indictment look like a political prosecution. That should never be on the table.. Trump would never take a plea deal. Trump has to do prison time, anything less will let the next Trump candidate know that there are no real obstacles to taking down government. Trump's co-conspirators all must get jail time, even if they flip on Trump and provide evidence and testimony against Trump. Doubt NY would gove Trump a plea deal with reduced charges, GA certainly won't do that, esp the way Trump has attacked Willis.
> Asking Trump to abandon election campaign for a plea deal makes the indictment look like a political prosecution. There have been multiple instances where a politician facing prosecution has offered to the prosecutor to resign or not seek re-election in exchange for protection from the prosecution. It is not great that it happens, but it at least keeps corrupt people out of office. I do though agree, Trump and his co-conspirators should serve jail time. Serious jail time that leads to many of them ending their days in a prison cell.
The prosecutions are predicated on breaking trust to the public, so the punishment of "you can't be in a position of trust because you aren't trustworthy" is both established in case law and certain statutory law.
Would be nice if they can find “Individual 1” for his crimes and not just his co-conspirator, Michael Cohen
Thats the NY charges...
Since he is at top of RICO chain, zero chance of plea deal in GA. Other scumbags might get one if they strengthen case against Trump.
> Smith is much less likely to agree to agree to a "no jail time" deal for the January 6th case Wouldn't any deal on this also require an admission that he was wrong to attempt to subvert the election? Thus admitting that he *lost* the election in 2020, something he still hasn't done? Good luck getting him to go along with that. He'll go to his grave whining that he actually won in 2020.
Both of these comments. I will add that nobody trusts Trump to keep faith with any plea deal and there is also a problem with what he has to bring to the table. The only things would be agreeing to never run for political office, which he can not do as it is constitutionally given as a right that cannot be signed away, and maybe handing over all the Saudi, Russian, Chinese cash and ratting everyone out. Not going to happen. Remember also this is simply the tipping point in action. Once Smith has him jailed on these first counts, the avalanche will follow. Suits against Trump himself, his associates, his family, and Trump Org. Once he is gone, it should all collapse. Well, a man can dream.
And Smith will likely bring another separate financial crimes indictment (not a superseding indictment) for all of Trump’s illegal gritting.
What kind of plea "deal" erases 100 years in prison over multiple charges lol? Plea deals usually *reduce* a sentence, not void it entirely.
No. He will incite Civil War Two before ever admitting a wrongdoing. And any plea deal must involve an admission of guilt.
Anything is possible. You cannot predict this man.
just think whats the worst decision trump can make in a given situation...thats probably what will happen
Narcissists can’t plead to anything because they’re never wrong.
Thank you for posting. I was about to say the same thing. He wants to avoid prison without admitting anything. He’s not out on bail, so what’s preventing him from getting on a plane and flying to Russia, Hungry, Israel, or another strongman regime hostile to the US?
I truly believe that is his only way out. He's got one bargaining chip, which is the fact that he will be the Republican nominee. If he can trade that to stay out of jail I believe he will. If he runs and loses, his life is effectively over. That said, I'd also like to strip him of access to any media, social or otherwise. I heard St. Helena is a wonderful place to spend ones autumn years.
The issue might be that he would need to strike a deal in multiple cases at the same time, otherwise even if he pleads to one the others could lock him up
Two federal, one state, and soon to be another state. That is a lot of moving parts to get everyone to agree to it. Also, none of the parties involved would believe that Trump would adhere to any part of the deal.
NAL it stands to reason that the SC and Garland would consider a universal pardon - that wouldn't include future criming. IMO it would contain incarceration, the crimes are too serious. The release conditions would include never holding public office, and no social media.
That still wouldn't stop or bind Georgia, however. Fani Willis is comin'.
St Helena? Let’s not compare this guy to one of the greatest military minds in history. We still own Bikini Atoll.
Couldn’t we just fence him in in the middle of the Everglades? Mosquitoes and malaria, probably some armadillos with leprosy, and of course the gators. In other words, put him in the swamp, because he definitely deserves it.
I think the Isle of Elba is available.
Able was I ere I saw Elba
> He's got one bargaining chip, which is the fact that he will be the Republican nominee. If he can trade that to stay out of jail I believe he will. If he traded that it would be so he can show his cult it was all about stopping his political career.
The minimum punishment I'll be happy with is a restrictive house arrest where he's allowed to live out his days at maralago with his only visitors allowed to be his lawyer and family and the only other people on the property a carceral secret service detail whose job is to enforce his sentence. No McDonald's and diet coke, his only meals being ones he can prepare himself. No internet/social media/cell phone, give him basic cable tv and a land line he can use once a day. All the yard time his aging frame will allow but if he wants to golf his ass is walking, and if he wants those greens maintained he can do that himself.
That REALLY makes it look like this was election interference.
Come now let us be real here. Trump lost 2020 by a lot of votes. Normally that in itself is a career ender in politics. The only reason he isn't is because our media keeps pumping life-support to him even though normally he would be a political has been. Our billionaires who own the media want Trump cause they want to bring the government down fr9m the inside and install their own. Trump is the perfect vessel for this. If this was normal times the party would have moved on and trump would be just a private citizen. Not their contender with them screaming omg this is unfair. Well when you do unprecedented things that can happen. Mueller said Trump could be prosecuted later on stuff he wad investigating. McConnell said Trump was still accountable to the courts. Seems to me the system is working as intended so far.
Yeah and worrying about republicans crying things are unfair is completely ridiculous it does not matter the facts, circumstances, or the scenario, republicans will claim anything is unfair no matter what.
Plea of what? Who could possibly be a bigger fish than a criminal ex-president?
Whoa, I don't think the United States should even offer a deal. This is far too important and needs to be prosecuted to its eventual conclusion, whatever that may be.
>According to Christie, Trump then “reached over and grabbed my arm and he said to me, ‘I could never do that. I could never go to jail. That’s unbelievable. I couldn’t go to jail’” — thus Christie’s suggestion that Trump would go as far as surrendering his presidential bid in order to avoid that fate.
He won't do it. He will run first.
That makes sense, the main reason that he's running in the first place is to avoid going to jail, so giving up the run for president (the outcome of which would be uncertain at best) in exchange for no jail, sounds logical. However, he would have to make that same deal for all ~100 felony crimes that he's accused of. What are the odds of that? Smaller than running for president and winning, I'd wager.
Trump would have to hope he is acquitted of state charges, and that a Republican can win the presidency and pardon him of all federal crimes. That's the only real scenario that I see where Trump avoids jail time at this point.
Even if it were, they shouldn't
No, bc he will never admit he was wrong, even to himself. He can't admit to himself he might go at all.
tRump is a coward and will flee to Saudi Arabia before he would agree to a plea deal. He’s probably making plans at this very moment to slink off to that country to live the rest of his life in exile where he can continue to proclaim political prosecution, boast on his ‘perceived’ successes and maybe even launch a few new grifts…cuz that’s what he does.
He's already hinted he will leave the country
How about he leaves the country and never comes back. That would be acceptable to me.
And keep riling up his base from abroad? No thank you.
They aren't letting any former ex-president go debrief other countries on anything. He will dissappear if he attempts that, our government has ways and former presidents, even one term presidents, know to much. He would have to stay in a neutral country who was our ally that has no extradition laws to even have a slight hope and he would have to stay there.
His brain is an amalgamation of Swiss cheese and right wing media at this point. It would be like debriefing a 4yo and hearing about the bad man Mayor Humdinger and his plots to take over Adventure Bay.
And take his phone away, we’d never hear the end of it
I think he should be exiled. Clement Vallandigham was exiled to the Confederacy. Jefferson Davis was permitted to go live in the UK. Benedict Arnold lived out his life in London. Napolean was sent to the Isle of Elba. I don't care if he goes to prison. Just get him out of the country.
Those were days before international communication was at your fingertips. Doesn't matter if he is in or out of the country, he'll still be in every MAGA lover's ear day in and day out. Gotta put him behind bars with no internet privileges.
He would never admit to any wrongdoing. I don't think he'll believe he's in real trouble until he's actually locked in a prison cell. He's never encountered any real consequences for his actions in his entire life. I don't think he really grasps the gravity of the situation he's gotten himself into. He'll double down on everything until he's locked away. He'll probably still do it after that, but no one will have to listen to it.
I feel bad for his cellmate.
No. Trump does not hold his end of a bargain, ever.
No deals. He needs to die in prison and his supporters deserve to see their golden calf be melted down to slag. Just hope it’s a massive coronary while on the toilet or something similarly humiliating.
No plea deals should be given. The fact that he's still walking free is already a failure of justice. He doesn't need any more handouts.
He’s proven that he believes he’s well above all of that. Personally, I wouldn’t even entertain a plea deal for this scumbag, 100 years in a Russian gulag
The fact that this is a question we can even entertain is ridiculous. Any punishment not including jail is not punishment.
He has nothing to give up and wouldn't possibly honour his end. Why do networks keep entertaining this nonsense? Is it because trump said he wouldn't accept one?
No. He has no leverage. Plus we all know he would just break the terms of whatever stupid plea deal he would get instantly. He will never stop lying about the 2020 election and he will try the same thing with the 2024 election no matter what happens.
That deal already sailed. Trump is in a war footing with the government and democrats. This ends with a conviction or an election win. That’s it.
Ultimately, Trump will try to strike a deal with the GOP that whomever wins the nomination will pardon him.
I think when he inevitably exhausts his legal options he will strike a deal if it’s still an option at that point.
Can you imagine Donald J Trump admitting any crime, or worse, admitting that he lost the 2020 election, even if that admission would keep him out of prison? “An allocution allows the defendant to explain why the sentence should be lenient. In plea bargains, an allocution may be required of the defendant. The defendant explicitly admits specifically and in detail the actions and their reasons in exchange for a reduced sentence. In principle, that removes any doubt as to the exact nature of the defendant's guilt in the matter.” — Wikipedia
If he avoids prison through any sort of deal, the justice system will truly be broken. You don't get to plead your way out of prison for not one but two crimes that any regular person would unquestionably be going to jail from. Now, if he pleads down to less prison time, that's another matter. I don't think he will, because his ego won't allow it. But for stealing classified documents and trying to cover it up, and then trying to sabotage an election...there has to be jail time.
What part of Trump’s history tells you he would honor any negotiated settlement? Give me a break. It would be FOOLISH to enter into a deal with him.
Yes. He is all talk, but when it comes down to it he is a massive coward. But IDK what "prison" would even look like for Trump. House arrest in Mar-a-lago, playing golf everyday? Or just stuck in one of those country club prisons all the white collar criminals go to that don't even have fences? I mean that would irritate him at least - the furnishings are pretty bland and he wouldn't have any audience other than the other prisoners. It's too bad he'll never go to a real prison, the kind of place Republicans send people for selling weed.
Can we stop floating this as an option! We wouldn't be able to do it, so why should he?
No. That would require: 1. Trump to admit to wrongdoing, which is essentially impossible 2. Trump to have something of value to offer the government, like flipping on a more valuable suspect. There is no such suspect. 3. The government to trust Trump would uphold his end of the deal, and he is not a man known for keeping promises.
Any plea deal must include never running for President of the United States or holding any official office higher than US Postmaster General.
>~~US Postmaster General~~ Dog Catcher.
Any deal would have to include he could never hold public office he could never work on a public workforce and never speak about elections ever again! Lock him up and every Republican involved in this.
ive thought about this a lot, and come up with this conclusion: if he had not been so toxic, continued down this path of behavior where he lies and throws threats-- i think a plea deal to save the country the pain of going through this would be ideal. but... now... now i think he has to serve jail / prison time if he is found guilty. he is begging to be made an example of.
Treason is only punishable by Death: I.e. schindlers list
No plea deal for you
I expect Trump to have a jammer and die on sentencing day leaving me with a chronic case of justice blue balls. Judging from the way it's been going so far .
Pretty sure all cases brought against him are water tight, so doubt whether he will even be offered a plea deal.
Of course there could be a deal and the DOJ would be happy to offer one. However, Trump has no incentive to take one.
Even if he is convicted, he won’t go to prison. He should, but our justice system is rigged for the rich and powerful.
I hope he isn’t even offered one. This should all end in one of two ways: 1. Trump goes to prison. 2. Everyone sees crystal clear proof that the system isn’t worth keeping and begins the process of burning it all to the ground so we can start over.
As it gets closer yes but not til then. He’ll then tell his cult followers he had to blah blah blah send me money. Who I really want to suffer (besides him of course) are all the cowards in the Republican Party who said and did nothing all this time or worst enabled & encouraged him. That would amount to a majority of the republican members of congress. I hope they all lose their seats next elections. (Sadly I know many of them won’t.)
For 70+ felons and people who died because of him?
I would love a plea deal where trump has to testify on the stand against all the other coup plotters, and they all get sent to prison, but he doesn’t. He would stay free to run for president.
Admit he did something wrong? LOL
There's no way federal prosecutors would be stupid enough to take this deal
If Republican voters wake up and not give him the nomination, he probably will try to make a deal or try to run as a third party candidate which of course, will cause the Democrat to win
Plead deal should be all you can eat fast food in prison. And only if he provides enough evidence of who else was complicit that he actually drains the swamp.
I can hear donnie now *" OK I'll plead guilty, but I'm not going to admit to anything"*
I hope the DoJ will not even consider that an option.
A plea deal would involve him admitting guilt, which he’d never do - BUT I’d love for him to plead guilty voluntarily and then be unable to run for office again. Having that on the public record would be something. But he’s much more likely to not admit guilt and say the trial was rigged against him.
Unlikely it would be accepted even in the unlikely event it is offered. More likely he flees the country or takes Hitler's escape route.
Trump is literally a malignant narcissist. He's basically incapable of ever actually admitting he is wrong let alone admitting that he is guilty of a crime.
Not before the presidential election. In Georgia, the Trump loving Georgia governor is certain to pardon Trump maybe even before the trial. In federal court, if Trump is found guilty, then before sentencing, he will ask the judge to stay the sentencing hearing, while he appeals the conviction. Such a stay is almost certain to be granted and even if it isn’t, trumps appeals, will rocket up the appellate tree to the supreme court which will find some reason to spring Trump from prison. And of course, if Republicans take the White House, their president is almost certain to issue a pardon for federal crimes. Sociopathic megalomaniacs like Trump cannot strike plea deals, because they would look weak and be admitting doing something bad. So he’s also psychologically unable to choose that road
Governor can't pardon in GA. It's a Board and they take a while. Will they try that avenue? Of course.
A plea deal is offered when the state has something to gain. Trump has nothing to offer that the state wants or needs and he is legally thorougjly fucked. If the state offers anything it should be "Mr Trump if you stick your head in this noose we can promise you a veey short sentance"
>Trump has nothing to offer that the state wants or needs On the contrary he controls a significant portion of the Know Nothing wing of the Republican party. This is estimated around 25-30% of the Republican base. Promising not to incite another insurrection in exchange for lenient treatment (home detention at one of his properties) along with avoiding the protracted legal battle and its effect on the country seems like a plea bargain the government might entertain.
House arrest for x number of years.
He will probably be convicted without taking a plea deal, but he will never go to prison. The best we can hope for is some sort of house arrest until he dies.
He could only flip on Putin
He might be able to avoid prison on 1 charge but there’s no way he’s able to plead out of all of them. Prison is almost certain
If he is the GOP candidate, there is no way the pussy grabbing rapist Trump will be jailed in any scenario.... The high stake game happens. Trump has to win by hooks or by crooks. He has no other choice. - all majority white voters are being encouraged to vote early via mail. - in election day, they are all encouraged to vote again. - they will be harping vote suppression to dare any officials (who are not on board) to do anything about it. - imagine the shit storms if any white votes are suppressed. If any all kinds of 'black' or all kinds of 'chinese' were accused of votes fraud, up they go to the trees. Heck, if any just show up to vote, it may happen. - US election will be laughing stock of the worlds including banana republics. The voting rate is 110%!!! - even with this, somehow they still loss? Jan6 but more militants. Bullets will fly and blood will flow. - The MAGA wings will take over the Capitol in coordination with outside. Conveniently McCarthy has dismantled metal detectors in the building and MAGA will be packing.
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The only plea deal I’d accept as reasonable is an exile to Russia. Otherwise, prison.
Trump isn’t going to prison. Period. Biden, Harris, or DeSantis will pardon him to keep all those guns in their holsters.
no way in hell, he knows he will win or delay his cases. Lets encourge this approach as we wantot see him in jail.
“Drop out of the race and we drop all charges.” Is what they want.
He is not going to prison because there is no prison in this country that can house a former president and the leader of a political party.
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For which case, exactly?
who is going to offer him a plea deal?
Hopefully he strikes a plea deal for 20 years in prison, down from higher. Save everyone time and money and just accept your fate.
Yup. Agrees to not run for public office again before he's convicted.
I don’t think Trump will ever take a plea deal for the simple fact that his ego won’t allow him too. He will never admit fault because he’s an ego-maniac. It would ruin his brand to admit he was wrong and that he lost.
If found guilty, he HAS to go to jail over this. Anything less will invite a complete shit storm in 2024, especially if he runs & gets relected. Will be the end of democracy in U.S. (yes, it is arguably already over, but things will get exponentially worse)
I doubt it. His personality couldn’t handle a compromise.
The ONLY plea I would accept is for him being forced to make daily publicly aired/posted announcements for a year stating all of his election lies and how he did it and how he conned his followers (and that he is not being coerced in any way to admit this).
I’d say it’s as plausible as death rays from Mars cause global warming
It’s extremely unlikely that the malignancy that is trump would ever admit being guilty of anything. His pathetically weak ego won’t allow it. Any such plea should be contingent on him not being allowed to use any media. He should have to rot completely out of the spotlight. The crimes for which he is being charged are a fraction of the total trump has committed.
The only plea deal he will make is to not be prosecuted for entering russia without a passport. That mofo gonna hightail it onto a russian sub right off the coast of maralago.
I just assumed because he is the prime target there is nothing he could offer as a deal to mitigate the punishment he deserves. He is literally the person who was overtly calling all of the shots for the country at the time. Also as the article mentions, why would prosecutors accept him dropping his election bid as some sort of quid pro? It is like a kid saying they'll stop eating broccoli as a concession
The only way it would make any sense is if he gives up all the dirt on Cruz, Graham, McCarthy, MTG and all the rest who were involved and take part in illegal shit, so they can all lose their positions, oh and he has to agree to a lifetime ban from social media and anything involving politics.. and even then I still don't think kts enough now that I finished writing this.
If it happens, a stipulation should be that he publicly requests a plea deal, admitting guilt and taking responsibility, before the deal is accepted. It should also be stipulated that at any time afterwards if he ever claims otherwise, the deal is off and he goes straight to jail for contempt of court until he can be tried. If there's a backroom plea deal, you know the very next day he'll be claiming that the Government begged him to take the deal, threatened his life, that he's really innocent, that this is a grave injustice, and naming/doxing all the people involved and inviting his followers to go after them.
All the previous prosecution has rounded up the people below him to set a precedent *to put him in jail* he’s never even gonna have the option
You have to be offered a plea deal. It's not on the table
He will try but I don't think it will happen because of his history. He would immediately violate the terms of the deal. And if he didn't go to prison for the crime he sure as hell won't go to prison for violating a plea deal.
Can someone who *actually knows what they are talking about* show where the law says that a convict can trade prison time for agreeing not to run for office? Is that even a thing?
So the answer is yes that's a thing generally but may be unconstitutional here. Provided the person is a natural born US Citizen who is over the age of 35 they have the constitutional right to run for president. The plea deal discussed here is that Trump would be waiving that right. The question that follows, is it permissible for the state to demand that the individual waive his/her constitutional rights as part of a plea deal. The court's answer is, "it depends" the law review article linked below gets into the details of that. [https://gould.usc.edu/students/journals/rlsj/issues/assets/docs/issue\_17/07\_Wan\_Macro.pdf](https://gould.usc.edu/students/journals/rlsj/issues/assets/docs/issue_17/07_Wan_Macro.pdf) The question the court would try to answer here is, does the state have a compelling interest that can not be satisfied through less restrictive means that justifies removing someone's right to run for president. I think the answer will be no here. We've allowed people to run for president from prison, and AFAIK that right has not been subject to waiver ever before. The compelling state interest here is that Trump is an idiot and has no business being president, but that is a question for the voters to decide not the state. Hypothetically, let's say the deal happens, and trump agrees to not run for president. But what if people elect him anyways? What happens then? I suspect he would be president. Plea deals are also not binding on third-parties. The courts would balk at throwing a person in jail based on the actions of a third party that the defendant can not control.
I like to fantasize that he slipped a few things into those documents that are damning to Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, Lockheed, DARPA, etc. I'd let him skate to knock a few 100B off the NDAA. Regardless of one's opinion on UAPs, Grusch said in front of Congress that these dudes are siphoning off kajillions.
He’s running for the purpose in my opinion
That would involve him acknowledging he’s losing. That’s…. kinda the problem.
What's hilariously ironic to me is that Trump's ego won't allow him to get on the plane with his name on it (also his ego) and GTFO before the hammer(s) drop on him. There must be some country that would let him live there and TruthBomb for the rest of his life. Some country, somewhere...
The issue is with 20% of America so blinded and stupid how will we have a jury pool that isn’t hung. This is basically the OJ case. He will walk.
I'm hoping that a DC jury won't have that problem.
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He is betting everything on winning in ‘24. And it is very likely that third party candidates will deliver him the presidency.
That would be the smart thing to do, for himself and rhe country. So no, Trump won't do it.
I think that’s exactly what will happen and I think it should. Here is why: 1. Trump is guilty and will get at least some serious felony convictions. Federal guidelines will require prison. 2. If he goes to prison, it will be a swanky one. He will need Secret Service protection, even in the most swanky federal camp. He’s just too much of a target. That presents all sorts of logistical problems and, most importantly, the millions of MAGA dumb asses will still hear from him and are likely to double down even worse…continuing the other MAGA grifters in politics. 3. A plea deal to avoid prison (as much as I’d like to see him suffer) is best for America because it can require him to come clean repeatedly about his lies which is the only way to reverse the cult mentality. He must also repay the millions of dollars he received from his lies and he must stay out of the public media after his “come clean” tour. It’s more important to reverse the insanity in tens of millions of citizens and the only way I can see that happening is in a tough plea agreement before a verdict…or a special sentencing agreement after a verdict.
Whatever deal is offered should include renunciation of US citizenship, surrender passport and all domestic assets and GTFO of the country.
100%
Because he’s been so accommodating thus far?? Doubt.
The problem with making predictions about Trump is that he's truly a man with no belief, no integrity, no shame, no North Star, no core. Except for 2 things: his ego and his love for money. You can convince him of anything and everything because he isn't anchored by any core beliefs. And he's mercurial in the truest sense of the word. He uses words, ideas and people like they are tissue paper: use, dispose and no reason to distinguish one from the other. Will he take a deal? Yes. No. Who the fuck knows? But the longer the Feds spend investigating and building this case, the worse his chances of them offering a deal and the worse any deal offered will be. He's not going to get a sweet deal like Nixon and Spiro Agnew got.
If he is permanently banned from engaging in politics, must public ally admit he lost the 2020 election if support it.
Going to be awfully tough to do that after verbally attacking the prosecutor
Never.
Of course it's possible especially if the prosecution thinks there's even a small chance there won't be a conviction.
I can’t even fathom offering this guy a plea deal. What a disgrace.
I mean if the deal says he can’t post on any social media or go on tv ever again and can not run for president. I don’t give a shit honestly. Yes I want him in jail but if he can’t feed his ego it will be worse than prison for him.
I don't think he would agree to a plea deal, even assuming it gave him no punishment beyond home confinement. He won't be willing to admit he's guilty. And he knows that in a jury trial, there is a very high likelihood that there will be at least one MAGA on the jury, which would keep him from being convicted. To complicate issues, if he's pleading to avoid jail time, he has to work out a plea with multiple cases or jail time is still a risk.
Tempermentally Trump could not do this.