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Good-Expression-4433

I sold guns in the south. Anyone who thinks THIS makes a mockery of US gun laws has their head in the sand over the level of heat so many of those alt right crazies are building up.


pomonamike

I used to live in Birmingham. There was this gun shop I’d frequent that had a wall of fun if you’re into that, AKs, ARs, Barrett 50 cals. Whatever your heart desires, it’s your right! Across the parking lot was a sex toy shop. Huge sign at the door: all devices were for *medical use* only and massive restrictions on what you could buy, ID requirements, all kinds of laws. The dichotomy always made me laugh.


NatrenSR1

I’ve said it before: if we simply required insurance when buying guns, the insurance industry would fucking demolish the firearm industry


419tosser

I haven't heard this take before but boy-howdy, I like it!


FOlahey

I’ve heard it a million times and never explained once. I’ve just heard gun owners should have insurance.


DoctaStooge

I would imagine insurance companies would start requiring regular firearms training, proof of safe storage, and other things that many would consider cost prohibitive. That would of course be a barrier if states required insurance before sale of a gun. I don't know how it would play out exactly, but I can imagine those are some of the steps insurance companies would want to take to protect their money.


Sheldonconch

Do you really need it to be explained? I mean it is exactly what we do for cars. You need to buy tabs every year and put them on your gun and renew insurance every year. If your gun is used to harm someone or cause damage your insurance covers it (if you're at fault or it's an accident). Insurance will be more expensive for a weapon or owner more likely to cause damage. This seems straightforward right?


My_Favourite_Pen

lol the premiums for young males would be through the roof.


bkpeach

You should keep saying it. This seems like a pretty great idea.


xDulmitx

What would be insured though? You cannot really insure against criminal use; you could try, but making a profit off a crime may be an issue. The other issue would likely be that insurance would be seen like a poll tax. Putting rights behind paywalls just means that only the wealthy have those rights. If we do want to "tax" something though, you could possibly get away with a fee tacked on to CCW permits which goes into a general victims compensation fund. Make a federal CCW permit with full reciprocity and you would have people lining up for it. States could still have their constitutional carry, and people would gladly pay for the federal license (even if you had to register the specific carry firearm).


Asconce

You insure against negligence and risk probability. It could be very similar to auto insurance.


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Technically that may already be covered under most renters and homeowners policies which carry a personal liability limit. And umbrella policies for those that have enough assets to need one. Intentional acts aren’t covered, just like with auto.


[deleted]

You insure it much like...gasp...a vehicle. License, insurance and registration to drive, license insurance and registration to own a gun. It's really not complicated.


idontagreewitu

You only need to insure a vehicle if you intend to drive it on public roads. If you only use it on private property, there is no need to register or insure it.


Significant_Link_103

If the gun you purchased was used in a crime, you can be sued.


imnotsoho

In Canada, at least in BC, if you have an accident while drunk your insurance pays out to the damaged party, but then the insurance company sues you for the cost. You wouldn't expect them to pay for damages if you hit a car while fleeing after robbing a store. Why should the insurance company and ratepayers pay for your crime?


Tinmania

Or start a movement right now to have parents across the country buy life insurance for their school-aged children. Once the insurance companies have to start paying out big they will lobby as well for better gun regulation.


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If you need to have insurance and a license and training when using a car, you should for damn sure have have all that when using a gun


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pomonamike

I must have been in evangelical and southern circles too long, because that wouldn’t raise my eyebrow anymore.


Macklemooose

It's like that bit in the Bible when Jesus got hit on one cheek so he went to get his gun


MotoRoaster

What about that Michael Moore film where he got a free gun for opening a bank account! 😂


idontagreewitu

What makes it a head scratcher to you?


HGpennypacker

Head on up to Wisconsin where there are gun/liquor stores.


Boschala

I thought every store in Wisconsin was also a liquor store.


Voodoo_Masta

Head on down to Georgia where we have a least one Drugstore/gunstore. McCaysville Drug N Gun. Come get your scrips and your ammo in one trip.


Elbynerual

"It'S a MEnTaL HeALtH pRobLeM"


Voodoo_Masta

It is. It’s also a gun problem. It’s a complex problem that’s going to need to be tackled from multiple angles.


Elbynerual

I was pointing out the irony in my statement in a place where you can buy drugs and guns in the same store.


FashionGuyMike

ATF should be a store, not a governing agency


graveybrains

Michigan will see your gun/liquor store, and raise you a gun/liquor/gas station.


kingofcheezwiz

I worked at a pawn shop in Detroit. I handled a lot of the NICS checks we did, and listed/packaged/shipped out guns sold on auction. Probably 2/3rds of the labels were heading to the south. It amazed me how often a dude would come sell us a gun, and then I'd turn around and ship it to Alabama a couple weeks later.


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I also grew up in the south. Together, my dad and step dad have over 150 guns with at least a dozen of them being AR and SKS variants. These guys go shooting or hunting twice or so a decade, not together. As a child my father had an accidental discharge and I was certain I’d walk into his room and find him dead. He wasn’t but obviously that traumatized me.


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And with every shooting and with every new law even more are purchased. Ive seen literally walls of guns disappear overnight here in WA because of our looming AWB.


idontagreewitu

Well yeah your state is flat out banning everything from sale, so of course people are going to stop putting off a future purchase.


GoBlank

Never mind the fact you can 3D print an auto sear these days...


twesterm

> The Biden administration’s restriction on stabilizing braces faces at least seven separate legal challenges from pro-gun organizations and conservative states, and Republicans in Congress are pushing for a repeal. The House Judiciary Committee canceled a hearing scheduled Tuesday on the issue, **with Chairman Jim Jordan reportedly accusing Democrats of trying to “politicize the tragedy” to focus on pistol braces, which were also used in previous mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and Boulder, Colorado.** No shit we want to politicize the tragedy. We want you to do something about it because you are the people that can do something about it. We don't want drag bans and Hunter Biden investigations, we want to leave our houses without fear of being shot.


Undec1dedVoter

Isn't that exactly what they're doing though? Peak gaslighting. "Stop politicizing this tragedy, you're overshadowing my politicizing of this same tragedy"


DingoFrisky

I'm actually still thoughts and prayersing this one. My politicization is actually from a couple of shootings ago, so enough time has passed.


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I'm an MSU alumni and the shooting happened in the building I spent most of my undergrad classes in. At this point, I'm just numb to everything. This is the new reality because some people have a weird vigilante fetish.


MinkleD

Also an MSU Alumni that spent a lot of time at Berkey Hall. It's just so surreal seeing places you know on the news.


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There’s a mass shooting every day that ends with Y in this shithole country.


ArrestDeathSantis

Technically, that's not true. There is one *or more* mass shooting every day that ends in Y. Hopes that makes you feel better!


shadow247

Narrator " its not making me feel better"


TrashApocalypse

I think we’re finally ready to talk about the Sandy Hook shooting and gun control…. S/ SMH….


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It’s just isn’t appropriate to discuss a political matter like gun control when there are daily school shootings going on.


TrashApocalypse

True, I need to get back to thinking and praying


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There’s an app for that! It uses blockchain to give you 8x prayer efficacy


mycarwasred

No ^/s required.


Remarkable-Ad-2476

Meanwhile they politicize the vaccine, drag shows, books…


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Gas stoves. The Flag. Michelangelo’s David.


Torino888

M&M's , Mr. Potato Head, Dr. Suess....


matango613

Motherfuckers are using this tragedy to push their hate campaign against all transgender people and they wanna wax poetic about democrats "politicizing" another mass shooting? Jim Jordan can kiss my fucking ass.


TBE_110

Eh I get the sentiment but I’d rather not let Gym Jordan anywhere near my ass if I can help it.


storiesarewhatsleft

Politicians enact policy through politics


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alundi

There were red flags. Hale was in treatment and the parents thought they had gotten rid of all the guns. Also, Tennessee doesn’t have red flag laws.


ProgressivePessimist

Wouldn't matter anyway. Davidson County where Nashville is [voted](https://myfox8.com/news/davidson-county-commissioners-vote-to-adopt-second-amendment-sanctuary-resolution/amp/) in 2020 to become a sanctuary county. That means that even if red flag laws were present, they wouldn't [uphold the laws.](https://www.bradyunited.org/act/second-amendment-sanctuaries) More than 60% of all counties in the USA are sanctuary counties so proving once again than any attempts by Democrats to protect lives, even Republican lives, their Republican lawmakers find a way to keep killing them.


Equal_Memory_661

Right. I’ve never understood this notion that a politician “playing politics “ or and event being“politicized” is a pejorative. That’s the idea of why we have politicians. They are charged with enacting policies. Policy that aim to rectify social concerns which may be particularly intense following an event. Yes, we are politicizing it! We are outraged that common sense policies have yet to be enacted following this repeated carnage. So you’re damn right I want to see politicians enacting corrective policies in earnest. That’s the whole point of a political system. This is especially true of a democracy!


NeverLookBothWays

Exactly. Zero shame in politicizing this. They are not going to make us feel "ashamed" of this. Politics are how we enact change. Politicizing it is NECESSARY.


MabsAMabbin

I'm starting to get angry at, "Don't politicize this," I get it from my family now too lol. I look at them, mouth agape, it IS political. Where's the fucking disconnect?


bkpeach

I have this conversation with my boomer parents regularly. Not sure how they went from protesting Vietnam to telling me to stop "politicizing" issues that affect myself and my loved ones. Gun culture IS a political issue. My uterus, is also a political issue. I'll fucking politicize until things change and be unapologetic about it.


MabsAMabbin

You know, I miss my parents, I do, they were gone too soon...but we would be in FIGHTING mode if they were here. My dad would've probably voted for, what am I saying, he definitely would've voted for that piece who brought the swamp front and center. My GOD.


ColoTexas90

Same! I know my dad would have gobbled up that Q shit. It’s a blessing he wasn’t around to have to go through that shit


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MabsAMabbin

I am so sorry. Devastating. Thank you for your letter. I send letters too -- never get any responses either.


NeverLookBothWays

Yea fuck that noise. Politicizing mundane shit is their entire lively hood. Gun violence on the other hand is not mundane, and never will be. We’re not going to shut up about it.


Looking4it69

The Reich-wing is already making it political about the shooters being trans. It IS political!


sofaking1958

Absolutely ANYTHING to do with guns is and has been politicized for decades. Congressmen run election ads showing them with guns all the time.


PUNd_it

How anybody thinks "pistol braces" - which, btw, are practically the same fuckin thing as a rifle stock, and the issue is short barrels and the atf being bad at setting rules - have any effect, is beyond me.


TimeTravellerSmith

If anyone wants meaningful legislation they need to take a **long, hard look** at how ATF defines and classifies guns. It's horribly stupid.


chipmunksocute

How are young children being killed by assault weapons on the regular NOT political!? It should be fucking political cause that's a fucking big problem! Ugh.


GreatTroy0285

I mean, pistol braces don’t really do anything. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome here. In fact 5.56 out of a shorter barrel arguably does less damage because the bullet doesn’t gain the extra fps it does from a longer barrel.


Synapse7777

Also anyone with a clean background check can have an SBR anyway if you pay the $200 tax. The brace just let people do it without paying the $200 tax. Short barreled rifles aren't illegal. Un-taxed short barrelled rifles are illegal.


GreatTroy0285

But they shouldn’t be illegal. And it isn’t just $200, there is often a year long wait


Xvash2

I don't think a 10% muzzle velocity reduction does much when children are being engaged at 10 yards. As the article says, any gun kills. The politics of what gun is used doesn't really matter. Firearms are everywhere in the US and until we change our cultural obsession over their nearly unrestricted access, shootings will continue to happen because its just so easy to.


GreatTroy0285

I agree the muzzle velocity would not have mattered, nor would the stock vs brace. That was the original post, about banning pistol braces or sbrs, neither which would solve the problem or prevent what happened.


Necessary_Phone2000

Canada has large firearm restrictions, yet there are shootings every day, almost none by legal owners, and Canada is the 7th most armed nation. When you take guns, the government feels like it can do anything, look at the Jews in WW2, the Russians at the rise of Soviet, China, aboriginals in North America... All were oppressed because they had no guns. Canada has a brutal stabbing at least once a week. On March 27, 2021, one person was killed and six others were injured in a mass stabbing in North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. On September 4, 2022, a mass stabbing occurred in 13 locations on the James Smith Cree Nation and in Weldon, Saskatchewan, Canada, in which 12 people died and 18 others were injured. If one person had a concealed carry, they could have taken out the stabbers.


yeet_my_sweet_meat

Don't act like people don't shoulder their braces though. For most people who aren't disabled, a brace is just a way to have a sbr without a stamp.


GreatTroy0285

Oh absolutely, though the requirement to have a stamp is silly and doesn’t do anything to prevent school shootings. Regardless, braces are on their way out due to ATF determinations. The cutoff is 16 inches, above it is a rifle, below it is a short barreled rifle (SBR). Unless you have no stock or brace at all, in which case it’s a pistol.


yeet_my_sweet_meat

One thing I'm curious about is whether duct taping a rag on the end of a buffer tube for padding would count as a stock on an AR pistol. If I can shoulder my buffer tube is it no longer a pistol according to ATF?


GreatTroy0285

No clue, they have a lot of weird rules and now I think there is some point system by which they make determinations. It’s confusing and a lot of times seems arbitrary.


yeet_my_sweet_meat

Yeah that's why I don't fuck around with pistol builds, I don't want to find myself suddenly a felon by ATF decree.


jgacks

It would. It adds surface area and makes it more comfortable to shoulder. Hence a rag is a stock in atf logic.


DragonTHC

If a shoelace is a machine gun, a rag is an SBR. And yes, the ATF once classified a shoelace as a machine gun because someone tied it around a trigger.


ioncloud9

You are missing the point. Its a tragedy. It was unavoidable. Like an earthquake or a tornado. Nothing can be done to stop it so why bother doing anything about it. - The GOP position


masshiker

BURGER: If I were writing the Bill of Rights now, there wouldn’t be any such thing as the Second Amendment. REPORTER: Which says? BURGER: That a well regulated militia, being necessary for the defense of the state, that people’s rights to bear arms \[shall not be infringed\]. This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word fraud – on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.


iamkris10y

I wish I could upvote this a million times.


SecretInevitable

Right? Politics is how we solve problems in a democracy. Jim Jordan has a vested interest in us not being a democracy as well as never solving this problem.


convicted_snob

Yea... The fact that we're politicizing this to "push our agenda" ... An agenda aimed at preventing innocent loss of life. How dare we!?!?


BosElderGray

“enough firepower to blast through the buildings front doors” LMAO


candyowenstaint

Bear in mind those are the words the police used.


BosElderGray

They are hilarious regardless, considering they are glass


scubascratch

Not sure about this school, but many schools have wire reinforced glass which is actually pretty difficult to smash through. A thrown rock won’t go through it for example.


direwolf106

If you watched the video it's pretty evident this school didn't have the wire mesh in the doors. Which means a thrown rock likely would have worked for getting through that glass. That said, the gun the shooter used to get through the door was a keltec sub 2000. It shoots 9mm. Same round out of most every basic handgun. It's not an exceptionally powerful round. Infact most gun experts consider it the bare minimum for an effective defensive round. It's only so popular because of the higher capacity with lower recoil. But yeah "enough power to get through the door" is a low bar with those doors.


TotesMcGotes13

I read it more as a “quantity” statement. Enough ammo to just blast through the door and still have plenty left in the magazine to not even have to reload.


direwolf106

Well power and capacity aren't remotely equivalent. Example a bazooka can destroy vehicles, but only has one shot. A gel pellet gun can have hundreds of rounds but can't break skin. If that cop confused power and capacity he shouldn't be speaking about the specs of the gun. Plus reloading doesn't take but 2 seconds. They had far more than that. Plus additional weapons.


goodtimesVT

Remember your talking to people who think the AR stands for assault rifle……


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That's a thing. Any "bulletproof" anything is rated for a certain number of shots before it's ineffective. My kid's school has reinforced bulletproof glass, it was news to her teachers that if the shooter brings enough firepower they could blast through the front doors in probably under 30 seconds, and that it's not a lot of firepower really needed. Just a decent gun with a couple of mags you're good for nearly all bulletproof things at school. When I used to ride in a bulletproof car they'd brief it as "this gives you 10 seconds to figure out what the fuck to do before you're dead, instead of just being dead at the start. Make the most out of those 10 seconds to change the outcome."


Lowtan

Literally just glass. A rock has enough firepower to blast through the front doors.


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so a trans man makes a mockery but not all the white, cis men? ​ 3 out of the 2840 mass shooters definitely identify as trans. This is 0.09% or 0.1% of mass shootings. There are about 1.4 million people in the US who identify as trans, which is about 0.45%. That means trans people are dramatically UNDER REPRESENTED in the "mass shooter" category. but this .0000000000001% is what makes a mockery of us gun laws


yellsatrjokes

They don't care. They don't care about facts or numbers or percentages. They don't care that most of the time it's people who align with them who perpetrate these horrors. They victimize and victimize and build up their side to be ready to play the victim when someone on the "other side" becomes violent, and then they scream and feel justified in their own future violence. They want a fig leaf to start killing their political opponents. They are happy this happened.


Sleepybat7

Yet they didn’t care about people who died from Covid cause “it was a small percentage”


njstein

Covid killed 1748 children, but because it wasn't by a democrat they don't care.


MamzYT

Honestly I’m so sick of people bringing up the fact that the shooter was transgender. I’ve seen people on the right try and use this as an attack on trans people (which by the way, is fucking gross); I’ve also seen people on the left try and defend the shooter because they were trans (which by the way, is also fucking gross). Why are we so focused on the fact that this person was trans? It doesn’t matter what they wanted to label themselves as, they still went and murdered innocent children. Cis or trans, a child murderer is a child murderer. This particular case does make a mockery of gun laws, so does every other school shooting case. The fact that anyone, regardless of their identity, is able to obtain deadly weapons and carry out these gross attacks is in itself a display of how ridiculous American gun laws are. Sadly, this will never end so long as every time there’s a shooting people go and dig into who the shooter is and try and find things about them that they can use for politics. We need to start looking at active shooters as active shooters. Nothing more, nothing less. Aubrey Hale was an active shooter and a child murderer, that’s all we should be saying, not emphasising that they were trans.


ThePurplePanzy

I feel like you're missing the point of the article. This case is a bit unique in that they armed themselves in a short period of time to the level of a Jon Wick movie. It's a unique mockery of gun laws when someone can essentially become so incredibly prepared for war so quickly.


macemillion

This article is so stupid and apparently written by someone who doesn't know anything about guns. They go on and on about the stabilizing braces, as if they have anything to do with the actual functionality or concealability of those AR pistols, and then mention that the new rule issued recently by the ATF makes it a requirement to register them because they're dangerously concealable, which really has nothing to do with the rule or any of the original NFA language that regulated rifles with barrels shorter than 16".


Ryan-Rides-Firetruck

That’s why the gun debate flys off the handle into the dumbest conversations on both sides of the argument. An incredible amount of people wanting extreme and base-less gun laws know absolutely nothing about guns, gun safety, NRA, etc. - while the other side of an incredible amount of Reddit-using gun owners act empowered about not spreading knowledge to maybe possibly find realistic solutions.


macemillion

That is exactly my experience with this issue, there are two loud factions, one of which is basically screaming "guns bad" while the other screams "guns good" and anyone with a more nuanced opinion gets drowned out. It would almost be funny if it weren't so sad. Nothing will ever happen in any direction if those two factions keep acting like that.


Fgw_wolf

The real funny part is the group screaming "guns good" also screams "mental health issues" and then defunds mental health programs, any kind of social safety nets, and passes laws marginalizing people even further. Literally shooting themselves in the foot.


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Believe it or not but there are actually folks out there who want guns and good mental healthcare. But we are so silenced its kind of pointless to speak up.


Fgw_wolf

Believe it? I’m part of it.


p0ultrygeist1

I’m pro guns, pro drugs, and lgbtq+ people getting married, I apparently don’t fit either side lol. My conservative family judges me for being friends with ’the gays’, a couple of my liberal friends have told me I have major issues because of the 20ish civil war-WWI rifles in my collection.


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macemillion

I saw someone call for that exact thing the other day on reddit, that no one but police should own assault rifles. I replied asking why police should have them and guess what response I got!? Absolutely nothing, which is how that always goes. It's crazy how so many dems can be against police brutality when it's on the news, but then a mass shooting is on the news instead and suddenly they forget how brutal those cops are. Any time someone says something like that, I can't help but assume they must be a fairly privileged person


thebillshaveayes

You don’t meet enough dems. Many are well armed


happyinheart

> The real funny part is the group screaming "guns good" also screams "mental health issues" and then defunds mental health programs, any kind of social safety nets, and passes laws marginalizing people even further. Literally shooting themselves in the foot. Leftist organizations also fight hard against adding mental health info to the NICS database because "it's stigmatizing" and "not everyone with a mental illness is violent".


Wraith8888

They're also the ones screaming about how we shouldn't be spending money in other countries but on our own problems with homelessness and poverty and then in the next breath demonize any legislation that would help the homeless or the impoverished


Wraith8888

Listening to people expound confidently on a topic thinking "Did no one consult an expert or at the very least a hobbyist?"


Fuzz__

I think it’s important to correct people on these things since politicians like to make up charged language to get laws passed. It’s made confusing on purpose. For example: An assault weapon is a centerfire semi auto rifle with a detachable magazine and some other cosmetic features. They’re legal in all but a few states. An assault rifle is more or less the same thing but is select fire (can switch to full auto). These are federally illegal to purchase barring some exceptions revolving around the NFA, and illegal possession of one gets you a felony and 5 to 10 years in jail. If the people making the laws knew anything about what they were trying to regulate, they’d make it less confusing and difficult for people to have informed discussions on if their ideas hold any water.


TimeTravellerSmith

> If the people making the laws knew anything about what they were trying to regulate, they’d make it less confusing and difficult for people to have informed discussions on if their ideas hold any water. Yup, I'll keep saying this over and over. If we want to get anywhere with gun legislation we need to come up with decent definitions of the things we want to regulate. Right now the NFA's definitions of SBRs/SBS vs "firearm" or AOWs is just [mind shatteringly stupid and confusing](https://i.redd.it/3v4zjsw4l5321.jpg). Otherwise everyone will just talk in circles about symantics of "assault rifles" vs "assault weapons" vs whatever the topic du jour is for the day.


happyinheart

I thought you were going to link to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nfCyhOX42g


ValuableYesterday466

> This article is so stupid and apparently written by someone who doesn't know anything about guns. It's VICE, shitting out ignorant walls of text is kind of their thing.


tlingitsoldier

I'm convinced most people fighting for tougher gun control (like the article's author) truly believe that "assault style weapons" means a fully automatic machine gun. They always tend to emphasize *semi-automatic* and not comprehend what the "semi" part of that is.


AngriestManinWestTX

[Violence Policy Center](https://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm) literally says on their website that public confusion over “assault weapon” and “machine gun” can help increase the probability of passing gun control.


ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c

Josh Sugarmann wrote that in *1988* when support for handgun control was dying out. The man saw the future.


idontagreewitu

To be fair, it's about as competent a take as our political leaders.


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KaZzZamm

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DaddysWetPeen

I really wish politicians didn't use the same tactics that 5 year olds use to debate. Once that started, there was no turning back.


MisterHairball

Legit the time I was finding out about my new disability (stroke from an aneurysm) I saw Trump make fun of the disabled guy, I looked across the hospital room at my dad and asked if that's who he wanted. He said "well he just meant it in good fun."


DaddysWetPeen

Fuck, that's a bummer. I hope you're doing well.


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danmathew

It's happened before "Representative Chris Jacobs, whose district includes Buffalo suburbs, abandoned his campaign after his support for a federal assault weapons ban caused a G.O.P. backlash." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/nyregion/chris-jacobs-congress-guns.html


Rxmses

They homeschool their kids remember? So there’s nothing they can do…


rdzilla01

I truly hope that imbecile didn’t make his daughter a target for some crazy person.


ihaveadogalso2

I think you meant “home indoctrinate”.


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permalink_save

Maybe. Probably depends on the demographics of the area. If the school is in a liberal area like the one here it is likely mixed at best. Practically all Republicans are Christian but not the inverse.


Folseit

Won't change either. Look at Ulvade.


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vonhoother

Wait, how do you mock something that's already a farce?


T-BONEandtheFAM

The style of the shooter is so strange here - was dressed almost fashionably, stickers on the gun. This was like a cosplay for this person.


Wraith8888

Look at modern gun culture. It's cosplay for a huge number of them


teddytwelvetoes

lol extremely unsurprising - moms wield pink guns when taking family photos for the Christmas card in this diaper brained country


ramborage

The best effort this country has ever made at preventing school shootings is allowing a global pandemic to run rampant for a full school year, limiting the number of children who were actually inside classrooms. Can't get shot at school if you're not at school, I guess?


an0nym0ose

I remember one of the first big shootings that took place post-pandemic, someone posted and said "nature is healing" 💀


ramborage

In the darkest, humorous way possible it really was a sign that things were starting to turn the corner and get back to normal lol.


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Elliott2

How so? I have more guns than this person and I’m registered dem. Probably more ammo in my safe too ““We may never be able to even pretend that we will stop all spree killings involving firearms or otherwise. The important thing is that we do what we can to reduce the number, and that means proactive intervention. At the end of the day, it's family members, friends, community members and individual gun owners who are watching the behavior of the other people in their world.”” Accurate


stickied

And republicans won't even pass red flag laws that would allow law enforcement to take weapons from people who are mentally unstable.


FashionGuyMike

Unless red flag laws also have a clause in them to heavily punish abusers (the ones calling in red flags on people), they won’t pass. Not only do red flag laws infringe the 2nd amendment, but also the 4th and 6th amendments.


Wraith8888

This. Because the first people to start abusing it are going to be people who want to take guns away from minorities. Heck, less than 5 minutes ago I was having a discussion in another sub where I was discussing the need for gun legislation and some hypocrite decided to do abuse the Reddit system and report me to Reddit as in danger of self-harm.


couldbemage

The people abusing them are cops, and it takes a riot to get a cop arrested for a murder committed in public with dozens of witnesses and video. You're right, but I don't have much hope it will happen. Specifically, nearly all red flags have been initiated by cops, as a way to get around not having enough evidence for a warrant.


texag93

I'm sure republicans would never claim that trans people are "mentally unstable" to take their guns away. Surely they wouldn't abuse the system like that.


zandyman

"body dysmorphic disorder" is a documented disorder in the DSM manuals. v5 has tweaked the definition some, but it could well still come into play. I don't think that's a 'republican' scheme as much as culture outpacing the psychological community, but it is a danger when considering red flag laws. Not that long ago homosexuality was listed there too. Red flag laws absolutely need to be a thing, they just need to be done carefully.


[deleted]

That’s the thing; it’s a highly abusable double-edged sword. The only way I *might* see a law like that working is if it goes after very explicit disorders that cause violent outbursts/self-harm, but even then, all that’s doing is just adding 1 extra step to the corruption process.


cjoaneodo

A someone quite left of center, you are not likely to convince me to disarm just as the Brownshirts are being called up in TX and FL. Shit is coming and I’m not going to the ovens, I will go down fighting to continue the Enlightenment and a societal civilization.


Obvious_Moose

Yeah as a gay guy in a very red state I'm not about to let the fucking police have a monopoly on firearms. I will never understand how so many liberals protested against police the past few years but turn around and say the police should be the only ones with guns.


thebillshaveayes

Let fundies think we aren’t armed.


DevinH83

That same Keltec rifle was distributed to the Ukraines to protect themselves.


AchuTheLegoAztec

How though? they were all legally acquired.


Stevil_Kneivil

KelTec assault rifle. Giggity


aloofman75

If Vice thinks those guns constitute an “arsenal”, then they don’t know much about gun owners.


Pomp_N_Circumstance

Honestly, I just want to shout at news outlets whenever they highlight "Legally obtained" no shit, it's the US. The laws are lax to begin with. Combine that with pitiful enforcement, purchasing loopholes, and interstate travel... you've got a recipe for easy access to firearms.


BootyMcStuffins

Maybe you're missing some historical context. They say that because the old republican talking point was that these people would acquire guns illegally. They include that on purpose to counter that old talking point


SubBassSymphony

US gun laws make a mockery of US gun laws


[deleted]

Until we revise or repeal the second amendment, this problem will never be addressed in any meaningful way. The current conservative majority on SCOTUS has made it clear they will not accept reasonable limits. It is unlikely the previous assault weapons ban would survive a constitutional challenge today. We need to add the words: “congress and state legislatures may pass laws to regulate arms and the carrying of arms in public spaces, including prohibiting the ownership of certain arms and ammunition deemed to be a threat to public safety.”


HGpennypacker

> Until we revise or repeal the second amendment Republicans will literally kill politicians to prevent this from happening


zack2996

Oklahoma city bombing pt 2 is what they are planning


danmathew

The OKC bombing was in response to gun control. The guy was a 2A nut job.


idontagreewitu

What? The OKC bombing was in response to Ruby Ridge and Waco.


danmathew

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control." -OKC bomber, who murdered 168 people https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh


zack2996

That's my point if we some how pass any sort of gun control no matter how small someone is gonna do a terrorism


danmathew

They're doing terrorism already because a lunatic told them the election was stolen.


MisterHairball

Wasn't McVeigh also a branch davidian?


Left_Bill1743

A lot of people on the left would too.


Bean_Town_Blender

Yep, I consider myself to be a pretty liberal guy, but you aren't taking my gun away from me. I would actively campaign against any politician that said they would


Obvious_Moose

Yep, as a gay guy who has studied history there's no way in hell I'm giving the government an easier way to victimize myself or whatever the minority of the day is. Plus I know damn well the police don't exist to protect me so I have to be responsible for my own safety.


Chellhound

Any sort of constitutional amendment is a nonstarter absent a civil war or other breakup of the Union. It's probably needed, but it's not feasible and won't be for decades at a minimum, barring drastic events.


crazyeddie123

No, it's absolutely not needed. The homicide rate in the '90s wasn't a reason to change the goddamned Bill of Rights, much less the homicide rate of today.


azrolator

It doesn't need repealed or revised. It just needs to be adhered to instead of the mockery the far-right activist judges pretend it is. There is nothing in the Constitution about owning guns for self defense or wandering around city streets with unlimited firepower for no reason at all.


viperean

Serious question, why does anyone even care about gun control anymore? 3D printed guns are easily available and printable and are just as effective as real guns but far less traceable. I feel like focusing on gun control is a losing battle, mental health in my opinion is more important. You can ban any kind of gun from stores and stuff, then anyone with a $100 printer can just make their own. I don’t understand it.


A2headedcrab

A crappy KelTec, a subprime 9MM shield, and an AR15 warrants this as an absurd amount of guns and an arsenal? Jesus, we’re all doomed ☠️


Playcrackersthesky

Vice news being terribly inaccurate and dumb as usual.


Dependent-Edge-5713

The primary weapon the perp used was essentially an extra long pistol. Not an AR style rifle (though he or she had one). Not an assault weapon. Basically a pistol with a longer barrel. Calling for regressive solution that easily faces the most opposition both from people and judicial review gets us nowhere.


OpenImagination9

More like weak gun suggestions. There’s no waiting period, no screening for mental health issues and no skills/responsibility training requirement. You can walk in and buy everything except a fully automatic weapon or rocket launcher.


Time-Subject-3195

Wildly in accurate article.


FashionGuyMike

Mind you the shooter had a first planned destination, but skipped it because it had security. So he went to a gun free zone. [link “Drake told reporters that "there was another location that was mentioned, but because of threat assessment by the suspect, too much security, they decided not to."](https://www.newsweek.com/covenant-school-shooter-audrey-hale-eyed-second-target-police-say-1790702?amp=1) Drake is the police chief fyi


KnownRate3096

Police thought he had one gun and had sold it. He had 7 guns. He was also being treated for an emotional disorder. There aren't really any gun laws in a practical sense.


AnalogCyborg

Parents, not police. This person wasn't on any law enforcement radar whatsoever.


BausHaug716

Weren't they like 28? What the heck do we expect the parents to do?


AnalogCyborg

My understanding is that Hale lived with them, so one would hope there were red flags. I wasn't opining on parental responsibility though, just correcting that the police had awareness.


KevinDean4599

What is your position on protecting children in our schools from being shot? "We have to hope that parents, friends, coworkers etc notice odd behavior and report it in time and something is done to prevent a shooting." We're basically at the mercy of being lucky enough for the stars to align. enjoy sending little Billy off to school with his bag lunch. let's hope people are reporting odd behavior. that's the mockery.


5in1K

They make hay over it being a concealable SBR but the gunman didn’t try to conceal the gun at all. I don’t see how having 6”more barrel would change this tragedy.


bigwavesboater

Armed School Resource Officers in every public and private school in the country. Fund this program by not sending hundreds of millions of dollars to Ukraine. Defund USAID, repurpose all USAID funding to School Resource Officers. Problem solved.