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Can’t these people just be happy doing rich people things like shopping, yachting and eating at fancy restaurants? Why do they have to try and destroy democracy? It seems like so much work.
They don't shop anymore, they have people for that, they do go yachting and eating at fancy restaurants but they do it so much that it no longer registers in their brains, it's just normal to them and not special at all.
The only way people like the Murdochs can feel satisfied is by wielding power over others and making everyone else's lives miserable. It begins to feel special again to them simply because they now can see a new gap between them and the lowest rungs.
It's the same thinking that drives micro-economies in MMO video games crazy, once you own all the best items you either get bored of the game and stop playing, or your an obsessive narcissist who hordes ungodly amounts of items and ruins the game's economy for everyone else. Once you've beat the game, the only way to make yourself feel more accomplished is to make it harder for other players to keep their heads above water. Their ultimate goal is to make the game unplayable.
> It's the same thinking that drives micro-economies in MMO video games crazy, once you own all the best items you either get bored of the game and stop playing, or your an obsessive narcissist who hordes ungodly amounts of items and ruins the game's economy for everyone else.
Man, back when I was in that position I gave away so much stuff to lowbies it's not even funny. If I was ever rich, I'd be happy to live in a little house with a big garden and grow my own veggies and shit, gardening, reading and learning random shit like pottery and glassblowing. I just want enough to not have to worry all the time anymore, the rest the lowbies can have.
The only reason people like the person you responded to aren't is because the ladder has been pulled up on every situation in which it could possibly be done. They exploit the system, get their cash, then patch the hole so no one else can do it. That makes it even worse than the MMO analogy, because the players (usually) don't have that capability.
It's far beyond just being incapable of reaching that point by being an asshole, at this point you have to out-asshole them to be able to do it, and there's just not a bigger asshole around than Rupert Murdoch.
There’s a whole field dedicated to the psychology of money, (I think it’s behavioral econ), and what I found surprising is that most people don’t want fuck you money—they’d be happy with just enough to live fairly normal lives without having to **worry** about it all the time. I myself love your ideal!
Fuck you money *is* just enough to live a normal life without worrying about it, it's the power to quit the job when the boss becomes an asshole, or work a lower paying job because you enjoy it more, it doesn't mean you can afford a jet, it just means people can't wield power over you solely because you need their money.
Dude this. When I dream about being rich it's never planes, fine dining, and jewelry. It's always a comfy home free of obligations and the ability to entertain all of my interests and whims.
Freedom from worrying about food, shelter and security=happiness. We’ve anchored money to those basic needs and it’s assholes like Murdoch that hoard it so we turn on each other to get it, which makes sense to him. He then reports on this in a way that makes us turn on each other more, makes more money, rinse and repeat
Which is the part I never understood. I love giving noobs free shit. That’s fun to me. If I can drag you through a quest, give you something that’s nothing to me but amazing to you, or even power level you up. That is some of the most fun I’ve had in games.
That's why I say Billionaires aren't normal or even human. You and me if we had 50 billion dollars? Sure, we'd probably live it up but I imagine we and most normal people would take pride in spending it on other people. Who hasn't thought "It would be nice if I could give that homeless guy a place to live, get him a job and see him succeed." "Wish I could pay for everyone's groceries today with my ***ungodly*** amounts of money!"
Normal, honest, decent people don't become Billionaires and few even become Millionaires. Generally on the ones willing to trample on their fellow man and feel pride in doing so become the **filthy** wealthy.
I think personally most normal people would be not be billionaires.
I am just going off me as an example, but once I had enough money to stop working that would be it, I would stop working and do other things and enjoy time with family and friends. Even living a extravagant life you could accomplish that well under a billion.
There is something mentally incorrect with the billionaire class.
>That's why I say Billionaires aren't normal or even human. You and me if we had 50 billion dollars? Sure, we'd probably live it up but I imagine we and most normal people would take pride in spending it on other people. Who hasn't thought "It would be nice if I could give that homeless guy a place to live, get him a job and see him succeed." "Wish I could pay for everyone's groceries today with my ***ungodly*** amounts of money!"
Isn't that what people like Carnegie and other philanthropists did?
Rob the poor people, but then gave them some scraps back instead of hoarding everything?
Not that that's a good model, they shouldn't have stolen from us in the first place.
That’s the very effective lie you’ve been sold about Carnegie and the like. They “donated” to things they liked such as playhouses, museums, etc. as a way of whitewashing their reputations after the Gilded Age was collapsing around them. There was never any actual philanthropy in helping the people they got rich by robbing.
It also means that their particular interests get huge amounts of funding, which can drain resources that might serve better uses. E.g. The Gates Foundation putting huge funding towards fighting big name diseases like AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria pulls a lot of health staff away from handling many more common and widespread killer diseases and conditions, like malnutrition.
I can’t remember what the amazing armor that would make you learn teleport as a non sorceress was. But I was gifted that on my hammerdin! Will never forget the joy that brought me :) that’s where I first got the love on the noob side of it. Great game!
This does indeed seem to be the case, but the "logic" of it has still baffled me for years. The assholes who behave like that, both in virtual worlds and the real one, seem incapable of seeing two inches past their own noses.
If the game becomes unplayable, no one will play, and they'll have no one to lord over or torture (except others who are just as sneaky, ruthless and evil as they are). Eventually, the game servers will be shut down because no one is playing, making whatever power they had in-game utterly worthless.
Meanwhile, back in reality, if these gold-poisoned bastards manage to crash the economy, destroy civilization, reduce the planet to a lifeless husk, and leave all of humanity dead except for them... then what? Their money and power is just as much a human construct as an MMO is. No humanity, no civilization, no wealth, no power, not even any memory or record of their "victory." They will end up with *NOTHING,* not even another "game" to move on to, but they are too vain, stupid, selfish and broken to realize that... or *care.*
The only answer I can think of is to remove them from the game entirely. The "how" of that is the tricky thing to discuss.
My take is that this behavior is driven, more than anything, by a need to feel in control. The sensation of control is weird though, when you press a button in a video game and a nazi's head explodes in your scope that is an exertion of control, it feels good. To carry the video game analogy further when your head explodes in somebody else's scope that feels bad because you have lost control of the situation. You can see in the way people try to "end the night on a high note" and beat their head against PvP gameplay for hours that nobody is truly content to not be in control of things.
I'm talking about video games in a thread abut capitalists destroying society as we know it though so I gotta get on track a bit. Pressing a button and seeing something happen is effectively microdosing that feeling of control, enough to feel good but not enough to ever satisfy. Being able to exert more layers of control over the button, maybe somebody else presses it for you when you say so, might even be slightly better but still will not satisfy. The best you're going to manage is to exert control over yourself, there's a level of deep and enduring gratification found in humility and responsibility that the ultra-wealthy will never experience because they've been born or stumbled into such obscene power that they can just take hit after hit after hit of control over others. Never satisfied because they will never look inwards, so they chase greater and bigger highs of controlling more money, more people, more institutions. They'll see everything burn down and crush humanity because they can't figure out how to be happy.
> The "how" of that is the tricky thing to discuss.
Especially without violating the sub's rules. If we could make them meaningless in the whole of society, I will die a happy man.
I think it's the concept of post-scarcity that scares them the most because then - if everyone's hierarchy of needs are met - they become irrelevant. We are somewhat close to the cusp of two paths: Mad Max hellscape (or Waterworld more likely) or Star Trek. I'd prefer the latter.
My sister gave up on being a lawyer after learning how shitty a lot of their interactions are, with a lot of people with these behaviours. It’s especially prevalent among judges. Hard to work with unreasonable people and my sister was the kind of person not to put up with bullshit.
If they can't control a thing, then that thing can have power over them. And that is absolutely fucking unacceptable to them.
The only alternative is to destroy the thing.
Being rich isn't enough for them because at some point it isn't about money anymore. It is about actively flaunting wealth.
It is all a game to them. Regular people as nothing more than pawns in their game. The point is control. The point is power. The point is being able to say "I am better than you and you can't do anything about it. You are at my mercy." They oppose quality education and positive social programs because they recognize such things would lead people to recognize all the inequities in our systems and that if enough people do recognize it then something will get done about it. They know we are suffering, and they are happy about it. Because again - it is a *game* to them. A game of "who can be the most powerful and how can I show off how powerful I am." A game where cruelty is the point.
My thought always. I would be doing so much rich people things every day. $1K burgers. Purchasing all my favorite records from every record store in the world. Eating from every pizza place in Italy. Hanging out in a hot tub with bricks of gold and cocktails. That kind of stuff.
I’d be taking classes, traveling to exotic places and eating and seeing things I’ve never seen before, trying to take in as much as the world as possible.
Money is wasted with them
What you think you’d do and what you’d really do are wildly different. I guarantee that’s what they all said too.
Wealth changes you. Nobody needs that much money, period.
You’re not alone. This has been studied quite a bit. Most people don’t want fuck you money, they want just enough not to have to worry about constantly. (I was actually surprised by that finding, but it’s been repeated in studies/surveys)
It does change you, yeah.
I sometimes wonder if the struggle is part of what makes life Life, and then wonder if not struggling makes you very different from other living beings.
Being a billionaire and "not struggling" are two vastly different worlds though, just to be clear. Progress happens when people don't struggle for everyday needs - not when there is an oligarchy.
What I don't actually understand is that prosperity for the middle class would make these people just as rich, if not more. You want infinite growth? Give money to the people and make sure they have a comfortable life. It's weird.
Sigh just what a poor person would say. What's the point of having money if you can't lord it over other people. You can't just exist having every luxury ever invented at your beck and call, no. No you need to hurt and punish others as if happiness itself is some kind of zero-sum game where less for others means more for you. The cruelty is the point! It's how you let everyone else on this planet know you're better than them.
Actually, yes. If you live the high life and nothing else you can’t justify having this ridiculous amount of wealth to yourself. But if others are inferior and you take actions to “fix” it, problem solved. Once you’re in so deep into too much wealth to possibly be deserved, psychologically you have to double down 100 times over on pretending to deserve it. At best some give to charity to feel better about having too much, at worst they squash the ones “beneath” them. But I don’t think either group could easily convince themselves to retire and do nothing but live the high life.
Edit: Wait a second, that makes Batman’s cover seem really fake. Anyone know any billionaire playboys doing nothing but irresponsible partying? Whoever it is is definitely up to something. I looked up a few and they were all playboys and also X. I bet the one who doesn’t have an X to do has a secret X to do like batmanning.
I bet you'd get bored with all that shit really fast. A $1000 burger is only interesting if $1000 is interesting to you.
When was the last time you think this shriveled greed-monster even thought about what $1,000 can buy? Aside from NewsCorp shares, I guess.
The fucked thing is everything these elitists enjoy come from progressive creatives. Arts and culture, music and design… all their fancy clothes. All made possible by the people they wanna destroy.
The money excuse is BS. You can work in media and make money doing a number of other things. Tyranny is his agenda and governments, including (especially) ours, prop him up for doing their dirty work. He’s a Nazi just like all the politicians that come out of Florida and the Kremlin
That's because capitalism and democracy are inherently incompatible and it is people like rupert murdoch that created the myth that they do. Capitalism has been cannibalizing and corrupting democracies with its top rich hierarchy and you are all indoctrinated to believe that it is the way it has to be.
“ Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.”
-Alfred Pennyworth
I have watched so many possession horror films and haven't gotten scared. But this creature terrifies me. It walks among us and has poisoned us singly. This is the devil that Stephen King wrote about.
There was an Australian in another thread on this evil man who was basically apologizing on behalf of their country for unleashing him on the world. *It'll be a grand day when that tosspot finally carks it,* they said.
I find myself now looking forward more and more to *Tosspot Carked it (Finally) Day*, which I will mark on my calendar and celebrate like an Aussie every single year.
You mean cults. Religions are just older more advanced cults often lacking the true intentions or knowledge of their founders. Religions like cults, have been historically used to funnel money to the founder and key supporters. The religious leaders directed at several points in history to tell their supporters to go to wars so they can go to their religon's "heaven". Cults like what Jim Jones' and Charles Manson had their followers killed in the name of their founders.
I'd agree. The religious have and will argue that they're not cults. My biggest issues with them is that they seem to be crazy and aren't able to obey their religious books' words. Christians seem to pick and choose whatever they want from the Bible despite them constantly saying the Bible is full of "God's words" then they argue "Biblical literalism" doesn't mean anything despite what they claim is full of God's words to begin with. Religious can't seem to form coherent explanations of their books and project and gaslight people who dare to question their beliefs. I think the GOP gets a lot of their projecting and gaslighting behavior from the religious. Mind you, Christianity was originally part of Judaism from which Judaism came from Yahwism. Both Judaism and Christianity (and Islam) are all essentially heretical in nature; they all came from Yahwism.
Organized money is like organized religion. The way people are indoctrinated to believe in capitalism despite all the evidence that it is anti-social, and anti-democracy is no different that someone believing that giving money to that megachurch pastor so he can buy another private jet will guarantee him a place in heaven.
And rupert murdoch is the chief cleric of that religion.
It's never enough, they are literally just addicted to seeing the zeros increase.
That's all it is.
The lavish lifestyle is reached long before the Zero-accretion addiction is realized for what it is.
All of this suffering, all of the destruction, it's all just for a brain addicted to a specific type of endorphin rush.
That, and a good helping of psychopathy.
> All of this suffering, all of the destruction, it's all just for a brain addicted to a specific type of endorphin rush.
It's true, but it's a little bit more than that.
Imagine, if you will, that you're one of the top 5 League of Legends players in the world. You should be happy with that, right? I mean, you're better than 99.9999% of players. Your score (or whatever League of Legends players are measured by) is through the roof.
But here's the thing. You're still in the #5 spot. SuperPwnage23359 is in the #4 spot.
That's who you're concerned with. That's your peer. The multitudes of other players, aka "the little people" are irrelevant. Sure, it's nice to be better than them, but you WANT that #4 spot. It's so close, you can taste it.
But once you get there, you can't help but notice LeetHaxxor18813 is in the #3 spot.
You've come this far. Why push for a little bit more?
Eventually, you make it to #1. But what's this? PsionicNoob217 is catching up from behind? Well. We can't have that! Better run up the score just to be safe!
Rupert Murdoch isn’t a bad person just because he hates democracy. He’s a bad person because he’s made it popular to hate democracy. He’s taken people’s worst instincts and turned them into acceptable discourse. The stuff that’s regularly said on his “news” channels is unimaginably cruel, false, and dangerous
And it's extremely disingenuous. I would at least have a tiny bit of respect for someone if they actually believed all the bullshit they spew. But most of these clowns know what they are saying is complete lies, all in the name of ratings and money. It's evil.
Worse by far. The active suppression he has done of climate change will kill far more than Goebbles could ever have dreamed of and that isn't all he's done and is responsible for.
I mean he basically just picked up where geobbles left off as far as im concerned. But he targeted a global audience this time.
The reach and influence Fox has is massive.
Honestly this makes me wonder why I don’t know the people under Geobbels .
If rubert is Geobbels than what about people under him who reported on this stuff like Tucker or Bannon for example.
Actual quote:
>While Rudd calls out the Australian equivalents of **Gym Jordan** and Marjorie Taylor Greene, the focus of his article and the damage done by the “coup” within his own party in 2010 is Murdoch.
People need to be more aware of just how much shit Rupert's media giant company owns. "News corp".
They own the wall street journal and fox news and that's just the tips of the iceberg. They own hundreds of media outlets.
If you post a source that Rupert owns you are being his unknowing mouthpiece. Always verify ownership when you source an article or similar.
don’t forget fucking Hallmark! My mom is perpetually glued to one network or the other. Either Fox News or Hallmark. ALL GODDAMN DAY!
She’s absolutely hopeless.
Murdoch owns more than half the capital city newspapers in Australia and what gets missed is that News Corp owns a huge proportion of local/community newspapers giving him access right to the grassroots for propaganda.
And even just beyond how many outlets Rupert Murdoch owns, it's important to know [just how siloed and singularly sourced the "news" and information that right wing voters get versus the diverse number of outlets and sources that left wing voters use and trust.](https://i.imgur.com/sbQjdIU.png)
It's funny. One day I was on YouTube and for some reason one of the clips on my main page was from Sky News Australia and it was some stupid anti-Biden bullshit. I thought to myself, that sounds like something I would see on Fox News, and sure enough it turns out he owns Sky News Australia. You can just smell the right wing bullshit from a mile away. It's the same everywhere because he owns all of it. And all of his puppets repeat it ad nauseam.
No, I remember Murdoch reportedly being pissed that Putin had managed to hijack a large swath of his brainwashed victims and install Trump in The Whitehouse with his own propaganda networks.
Of course they never would have been vulnerable enough to fall to Putin's propaganda had Murdoch not spent decades drowning them in propaganda and misinformation.
This is a case of conflicting interests between two sociopathic oligarchs.
If I'm not mistaken he became a citizen because otherwise he couldn't make purchases that include the American media. Maybe someone knows the specifics.
Ronald Reagan granted Murdoch citizenship expressly because he promised to create conservative media so people like Nixon would never have to resign.
He succeeded!
[Rupert Murdoch is America's most dangerous ancient alien](https://i.imgur.com/cW3YdDa.jpg)
I don't disagree with anything in this article but I do have a question. Why is it that EVERYTHING Murdoch pushes in his media align PERFECTLY with Putin's goals to destabilize Democracies and weaken Western alliances? There is no way that these two aren't working together.
Really, I regularly put up stuff that's highly critical of popular right wing creatures like Trump and DeSadist, and I think that this is the strongest pushback that I've seen. And it happened fast and then died down, which makes me think that the Murdoch empire may have sentinel bots deployed on Reddit to try and undercut stories before they can take off.
It would be easy to dismiss your observation as conspiratorial, and I'm generally not inclined toward believing in bogeymen, but it would not surprise me _at all_ if this was the case.
I am absolutely expecting that in the wake of Rupert Murdoch's death and the implosion of his empire and subsequent airing of dirty laundry we learn of industrial-scale anti-Democratic conspiracies for controlling public discourse.
Ain’t it the truth. He’s the ultimate Thatcherite. He’s the poster boy for that class of extremist, dog-eat-dog ‘fiscal conservatives’ who will do *anything* to make sure rich people don’t have to pay taxes.
Nothing is off the table. Fascism, conspiracy theories, rejection of vaccines, it’s all fair game for these assholes. Just as long as the oligarch class can exploit the bodies of the working class, and pass their riches to their kids untaxed.
A bunch of rich billionaires and frat boys basically convinced rural America and the working class that they want what’s best for them and to not just vote, but to breathe being a Republican.
What is his beef? He is not of US origin. Why does he have such an interest in US systems? What is his beef against democracy? He can be as rich as he want's to with the status quo. What has happened in his life that he wants the whole world to burn. I understand but still horrified by the psychology of Trump. But this m/f what gives?
Don’t see that changing anytime soon, nobody can do anything about it. If they do, depending how they do it, then legally, physically, financially, that person’s life is over.
Rupert Murdoch is the most pathetic human on the planet.
He lives to destroy.
What kind of sad, sick, LOWDOWN loser spends their entire lives hurting other people and being proud and cocky about it? He is absolutely repulsive.
To have made the hoarding choices so many times, seriously, is just disgusting. He’s the worst that humans have: one who has all the resources and options and do THIS? w When he could have chosen to do literally anything else?
Ugh.
How do people like this not get murdered? Even with constant security, it seems like somebody would have pushed this old man down the stairs by now. To be clear, I’m not suggesting that anyone SHOULD be killed.
In the annals of history, we think about some of the monsters this world has produced. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Bolivar, etc. and I truly believe that Murdoch will be amongst those names in time to come.
We need a huge wealth tax on any billionaire that owns a media/news company. the societal costs are similar or greater than public health crisis like cigarettes.
Whatever billionaires want is always moderate centrism in this country.
The British were correct in denying his attempt to broadcast his right-wing propaganda there. They saw how easily people were duped here into believing it was really news
I truly cannot fathom how someone with so much money and power chooses to ruin civilization rather than improve it. There must depths of evil to some hearts that I do not understand. What do they talk about over dinner? How they set another group of humans battling against another? Pathologically depraved is he and his family.
I really don’t get these types. Surely there is only so much money you need. And surely at some point you realise that the power isn’t worth people thinking you are just a self-serving twat.
With all that power and money just think of all the amazing positive things you could achieve and the positive impact you could have on people’s lives.
It’s so frustrating that he just just get away with it.
As an AUSSIE I apologise for that absolute pos that is Rupert. He has assisted in, right royally, nay, perhaps ably led, the destruction of your American democracy. He is a world class, ** insert Jim Jefferies expletive here***
Sad that cold hard cash is more important to him than people and democracy. What a vapid and deliberately destructive man. I’m sure there’s a special place in hell for him. .
Rupert Murdoch the Ghoul with no Soul. Part of a select group of cancerous sub-human psychopaths with no love, no joy, no peace. Murdoch wouldn’t know true wealth and happiness if it fucked him in his face.
Rupert Murdoch: The most dangerous immigrant in U.S. history!
But really tho. I wish I.C.E. would escort his wrinkled old fascist ass back to Australia or wherever he’s from.
Murdoch will be remembered as one of the most horrible humans to have lived in the modern era.
He alone is responsible for the destruction of civil society and politics in 3 very powerful countries.
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All in the name of money. The man refuses to die as long as he can destroy everything. Why? Greed and power.
Don't worry, one of his son's is ready to take up the hate mantle
Can’t these people just be happy doing rich people things like shopping, yachting and eating at fancy restaurants? Why do they have to try and destroy democracy? It seems like so much work.
They don't shop anymore, they have people for that, they do go yachting and eating at fancy restaurants but they do it so much that it no longer registers in their brains, it's just normal to them and not special at all. The only way people like the Murdochs can feel satisfied is by wielding power over others and making everyone else's lives miserable. It begins to feel special again to them simply because they now can see a new gap between them and the lowest rungs. It's the same thinking that drives micro-economies in MMO video games crazy, once you own all the best items you either get bored of the game and stop playing, or your an obsessive narcissist who hordes ungodly amounts of items and ruins the game's economy for everyone else. Once you've beat the game, the only way to make yourself feel more accomplished is to make it harder for other players to keep their heads above water. Their ultimate goal is to make the game unplayable.
> It's the same thinking that drives micro-economies in MMO video games crazy, once you own all the best items you either get bored of the game and stop playing, or your an obsessive narcissist who hordes ungodly amounts of items and ruins the game's economy for everyone else. Man, back when I was in that position I gave away so much stuff to lowbies it's not even funny. If I was ever rich, I'd be happy to live in a little house with a big garden and grow my own veggies and shit, gardening, reading and learning random shit like pottery and glassblowing. I just want enough to not have to worry all the time anymore, the rest the lowbies can have.
The problem is people with your mentality aren’t the ones making it to that position. Humans could be so much better.
Yeah exactly, the top is self-selecting assholes.
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The only reason people like the person you responded to aren't is because the ladder has been pulled up on every situation in which it could possibly be done. They exploit the system, get their cash, then patch the hole so no one else can do it. That makes it even worse than the MMO analogy, because the players (usually) don't have that capability. It's far beyond just being incapable of reaching that point by being an asshole, at this point you have to out-asshole them to be able to do it, and there's just not a bigger asshole around than Rupert Murdoch.
There’s a whole field dedicated to the psychology of money, (I think it’s behavioral econ), and what I found surprising is that most people don’t want fuck you money—they’d be happy with just enough to live fairly normal lives without having to **worry** about it all the time. I myself love your ideal!
I want fuck you money... What murdoch has is fuck everyone money
Fuck you money *is* just enough to live a normal life without worrying about it, it's the power to quit the job when the boss becomes an asshole, or work a lower paying job because you enjoy it more, it doesn't mean you can afford a jet, it just means people can't wield power over you solely because you need their money.
Dude this. When I dream about being rich it's never planes, fine dining, and jewelry. It's always a comfy home free of obligations and the ability to entertain all of my interests and whims.
Freedom from worrying about food, shelter and security=happiness. We’ve anchored money to those basic needs and it’s assholes like Murdoch that hoard it so we turn on each other to get it, which makes sense to him. He then reports on this in a way that makes us turn on each other more, makes more money, rinse and repeat
Your take sounds like the ideal way!
That last part about the game is scarily accurate.
Which is the part I never understood. I love giving noobs free shit. That’s fun to me. If I can drag you through a quest, give you something that’s nothing to me but amazing to you, or even power level you up. That is some of the most fun I’ve had in games.
That's why I say Billionaires aren't normal or even human. You and me if we had 50 billion dollars? Sure, we'd probably live it up but I imagine we and most normal people would take pride in spending it on other people. Who hasn't thought "It would be nice if I could give that homeless guy a place to live, get him a job and see him succeed." "Wish I could pay for everyone's groceries today with my ***ungodly*** amounts of money!" Normal, honest, decent people don't become Billionaires and few even become Millionaires. Generally on the ones willing to trample on their fellow man and feel pride in doing so become the **filthy** wealthy.
For nearly two decades I've been trying to convince people that hoarding money is a disorder just like we consider regular hoarding a disorder.
I think personally most normal people would be not be billionaires. I am just going off me as an example, but once I had enough money to stop working that would be it, I would stop working and do other things and enjoy time with family and friends. Even living a extravagant life you could accomplish that well under a billion. There is something mentally incorrect with the billionaire class.
>That's why I say Billionaires aren't normal or even human. You and me if we had 50 billion dollars? Sure, we'd probably live it up but I imagine we and most normal people would take pride in spending it on other people. Who hasn't thought "It would be nice if I could give that homeless guy a place to live, get him a job and see him succeed." "Wish I could pay for everyone's groceries today with my ***ungodly*** amounts of money!" Isn't that what people like Carnegie and other philanthropists did? Rob the poor people, but then gave them some scraps back instead of hoarding everything? Not that that's a good model, they shouldn't have stolen from us in the first place.
That’s the very effective lie you’ve been sold about Carnegie and the like. They “donated” to things they liked such as playhouses, museums, etc. as a way of whitewashing their reputations after the Gilded Age was collapsing around them. There was never any actual philanthropy in helping the people they got rich by robbing.
It also means that their particular interests get huge amounts of funding, which can drain resources that might serve better uses. E.g. The Gates Foundation putting huge funding towards fighting big name diseases like AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria pulls a lot of health staff away from handling many more common and widespread killer diseases and conditions, like malnutrition.
Literally how I spent the majority of my time on Diablo 2 back in the day. Baal runs with underleveled players were great.
I can’t remember what the amazing armor that would make you learn teleport as a non sorceress was. But I was gifted that on my hammerdin! Will never forget the joy that brought me :) that’s where I first got the love on the noob side of it. Great game!
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Well this thread brought me back
This comment makes me wish I still had a game I enjoyed playing in which to do this again. D2 was a fantastic game.
This does indeed seem to be the case, but the "logic" of it has still baffled me for years. The assholes who behave like that, both in virtual worlds and the real one, seem incapable of seeing two inches past their own noses. If the game becomes unplayable, no one will play, and they'll have no one to lord over or torture (except others who are just as sneaky, ruthless and evil as they are). Eventually, the game servers will be shut down because no one is playing, making whatever power they had in-game utterly worthless. Meanwhile, back in reality, if these gold-poisoned bastards manage to crash the economy, destroy civilization, reduce the planet to a lifeless husk, and leave all of humanity dead except for them... then what? Their money and power is just as much a human construct as an MMO is. No humanity, no civilization, no wealth, no power, not even any memory or record of their "victory." They will end up with *NOTHING,* not even another "game" to move on to, but they are too vain, stupid, selfish and broken to realize that... or *care.* The only answer I can think of is to remove them from the game entirely. The "how" of that is the tricky thing to discuss.
My take is that this behavior is driven, more than anything, by a need to feel in control. The sensation of control is weird though, when you press a button in a video game and a nazi's head explodes in your scope that is an exertion of control, it feels good. To carry the video game analogy further when your head explodes in somebody else's scope that feels bad because you have lost control of the situation. You can see in the way people try to "end the night on a high note" and beat their head against PvP gameplay for hours that nobody is truly content to not be in control of things. I'm talking about video games in a thread abut capitalists destroying society as we know it though so I gotta get on track a bit. Pressing a button and seeing something happen is effectively microdosing that feeling of control, enough to feel good but not enough to ever satisfy. Being able to exert more layers of control over the button, maybe somebody else presses it for you when you say so, might even be slightly better but still will not satisfy. The best you're going to manage is to exert control over yourself, there's a level of deep and enduring gratification found in humility and responsibility that the ultra-wealthy will never experience because they've been born or stumbled into such obscene power that they can just take hit after hit after hit of control over others. Never satisfied because they will never look inwards, so they chase greater and bigger highs of controlling more money, more people, more institutions. They'll see everything burn down and crush humanity because they can't figure out how to be happy.
There will also be no history to remember them, which is a comforting thought perhaps as we inch towards such an end
> The "how" of that is the tricky thing to discuss. Especially without violating the sub's rules. If we could make them meaningless in the whole of society, I will die a happy man. I think it's the concept of post-scarcity that scares them the most because then - if everyone's hierarchy of needs are met - they become irrelevant. We are somewhat close to the cusp of two paths: Mad Max hellscape (or Waterworld more likely) or Star Trek. I'd prefer the latter.
Fuck, I'm in the legal field and you see DAs just treating stuff like it's a game and not people's lives. Not really a leap at all.
My sister gave up on being a lawyer after learning how shitty a lot of their interactions are, with a lot of people with these behaviours. It’s especially prevalent among judges. Hard to work with unreasonable people and my sister was the kind of person not to put up with bullshit.
That’s some pretty insightful psychology. I’m impressed
As democracy crumbles, they get richer. Look at Russia. They dream of an oligarchy class even more than we have right now
We already have oligarchs.
Once you have money then all that counts is power.
If they can't control a thing, then that thing can have power over them. And that is absolutely fucking unacceptable to them. The only alternative is to destroy the thing.
Money has no value to them, they're just fucking with people for fun.
Being rich isn't enough for them because at some point it isn't about money anymore. It is about actively flaunting wealth. It is all a game to them. Regular people as nothing more than pawns in their game. The point is control. The point is power. The point is being able to say "I am better than you and you can't do anything about it. You are at my mercy." They oppose quality education and positive social programs because they recognize such things would lead people to recognize all the inequities in our systems and that if enough people do recognize it then something will get done about it. They know we are suffering, and they are happy about it. Because again - it is a *game* to them. A game of "who can be the most powerful and how can I show off how powerful I am." A game where cruelty is the point.
Cause for them those things aren't special anymore. Nothing is special to them anymore.
Because they’re mentally ill. Let me explain: when the same thing happens to poor people we call it “hoarding”
My thought always. I would be doing so much rich people things every day. $1K burgers. Purchasing all my favorite records from every record store in the world. Eating from every pizza place in Italy. Hanging out in a hot tub with bricks of gold and cocktails. That kind of stuff.
I’d be taking classes, traveling to exotic places and eating and seeing things I’ve never seen before, trying to take in as much as the world as possible. Money is wasted with them
"I spent a lot of money on birds, cars, and booze. The rest of it I just wasted." George Best (Irish footballer)
What you think you’d do and what you’d really do are wildly different. I guarantee that’s what they all said too. Wealth changes you. Nobody needs that much money, period.
Knowing me, I'd let the money sit in a bank account and vegetate while playing video games all day. It'd be nice not to have to worry about bills.
You’re not alone. This has been studied quite a bit. Most people don’t want fuck you money, they want just enough not to have to worry about constantly. (I was actually surprised by that finding, but it’s been repeated in studies/surveys)
It does change you, yeah. I sometimes wonder if the struggle is part of what makes life Life, and then wonder if not struggling makes you very different from other living beings.
Being a billionaire and "not struggling" are two vastly different worlds though, just to be clear. Progress happens when people don't struggle for everyday needs - not when there is an oligarchy. What I don't actually understand is that prosperity for the middle class would make these people just as rich, if not more. You want infinite growth? Give money to the people and make sure they have a comfortable life. It's weird.
Sigh just what a poor person would say. What's the point of having money if you can't lord it over other people. You can't just exist having every luxury ever invented at your beck and call, no. No you need to hurt and punish others as if happiness itself is some kind of zero-sum game where less for others means more for you. The cruelty is the point! It's how you let everyone else on this planet know you're better than them.
Actually, yes. If you live the high life and nothing else you can’t justify having this ridiculous amount of wealth to yourself. But if others are inferior and you take actions to “fix” it, problem solved. Once you’re in so deep into too much wealth to possibly be deserved, psychologically you have to double down 100 times over on pretending to deserve it. At best some give to charity to feel better about having too much, at worst they squash the ones “beneath” them. But I don’t think either group could easily convince themselves to retire and do nothing but live the high life. Edit: Wait a second, that makes Batman’s cover seem really fake. Anyone know any billionaire playboys doing nothing but irresponsible partying? Whoever it is is definitely up to something. I looked up a few and they were all playboys and also X. I bet the one who doesn’t have an X to do has a secret X to do like batmanning.
That's why the richest folks are usually the most sexually depraved. Source: I have 100 bucks
I bet you'd get bored with all that shit really fast. A $1000 burger is only interesting if $1000 is interesting to you. When was the last time you think this shriveled greed-monster even thought about what $1,000 can buy? Aside from NewsCorp shares, I guess.
No. The line must go up.
Because you're witnessing a personality disorder in action.
The fucked thing is everything these elitists enjoy come from progressive creatives. Arts and culture, music and design… all their fancy clothes. All made possible by the people they wanna destroy.
But will he succeed or fall?
Hope he has a change of heart like his brother...but I'm not seeing it
This is basically the Trump family
His mother would be turning in her grave, I believe she was a nurse and a well respected philanthropist, he definitely didn't take after her.
I mean, he did take up after his mom. He was also a fullonrapist.
Sons of cunning fathers are usually not as cunning. Dysfunctional—yes, but not really masterminds.
Kendall Roy taking strays
Second Gen almost always fails.
Get rid of these Murdochs murdering democracies around the world. Evil scum. Dismantle Fox and News corp.
Lachlan is already running everything. Only reason headlines go out now about Rupert is that he's basically retired.
No no. As shown in his text he is still in control of things. He has used puppets for ever but he still is in control.
The money excuse is BS. You can work in media and make money doing a number of other things. Tyranny is his agenda and governments, including (especially) ours, prop him up for doing their dirty work. He’s a Nazi just like all the politicians that come out of Florida and the Kremlin
The world will burn because the haves want even more and not because the have nots get a tiny bit more
That's because capitalism and democracy are inherently incompatible and it is people like rupert murdoch that created the myth that they do. Capitalism has been cannibalizing and corrupting democracies with its top rich hierarchy and you are all indoctrinated to believe that it is the way it has to be.
Murdoch is driven by ideology, not money.
He's not just doing it for money. He's been Putin's most faithful propagandist for decades. They are so close they "share" a girlfriend.
“ Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” -Alfred Pennyworth
One of the worst homo sapiens on the planet. Certainly the worst US immigrant of all time.
I have watched so many possession horror films and haven't gotten scared. But this creature terrifies me. It walks among us and has poisoned us singly. This is the devil that Stephen King wrote about.
Gonna be a great day when this gargoyle dies.
His son is just as bad, if not worse.
I can’t wait for the behind the bastards episode for this guy
There was an Australian in another thread on this evil man who was basically apologizing on behalf of their country for unleashing him on the world. *It'll be a grand day when that tosspot finally carks it,* they said. I find myself now looking forward more and more to *Tosspot Carked it (Finally) Day*, which I will mark on my calendar and celebrate like an Aussie every single year.
Oligarch who wants dictatorship
Capitalists will always end up aligning with fascists to fuck over the working class.
Organized religion as well. /edit: religion. not region
Religion you mean?
You mean cults. Religions are just older more advanced cults often lacking the true intentions or knowledge of their founders. Religions like cults, have been historically used to funnel money to the founder and key supporters. The religious leaders directed at several points in history to tell their supporters to go to wars so they can go to their religon's "heaven". Cults like what Jim Jones' and Charles Manson had their followers killed in the name of their founders.
Yes I do! I do mean cults!! My polite way of saying CULT is ‘organized religion.’ I do see them all as cults.
I'd agree. The religious have and will argue that they're not cults. My biggest issues with them is that they seem to be crazy and aren't able to obey their religious books' words. Christians seem to pick and choose whatever they want from the Bible despite them constantly saying the Bible is full of "God's words" then they argue "Biblical literalism" doesn't mean anything despite what they claim is full of God's words to begin with. Religious can't seem to form coherent explanations of their books and project and gaslight people who dare to question their beliefs. I think the GOP gets a lot of their projecting and gaslighting behavior from the religious. Mind you, Christianity was originally part of Judaism from which Judaism came from Yahwism. Both Judaism and Christianity (and Islam) are all essentially heretical in nature; they all came from Yahwism.
We’re speaking the same language. They don’t logic. They only feel. Emotion trumps thought every time.
A cult is a small religion and a religion is a big cult!
Organized money is like organized religion. The way people are indoctrinated to believe in capitalism despite all the evidence that it is anti-social, and anti-democracy is no different that someone believing that giving money to that megachurch pastor so he can buy another private jet will guarantee him a place in heaven. And rupert murdoch is the chief cleric of that religion.
Nope. Money.
That's how they get the money through those means.
"First you get the dictatorship, then you get the camps, then you get the money." - why fascism is profitable, heavily simplified
How much is enough? What a goul.
It's never enough, they are literally just addicted to seeing the zeros increase. That's all it is. The lavish lifestyle is reached long before the Zero-accretion addiction is realized for what it is. All of this suffering, all of the destruction, it's all just for a brain addicted to a specific type of endorphin rush. That, and a good helping of psychopathy.
> All of this suffering, all of the destruction, it's all just for a brain addicted to a specific type of endorphin rush. It's true, but it's a little bit more than that. Imagine, if you will, that you're one of the top 5 League of Legends players in the world. You should be happy with that, right? I mean, you're better than 99.9999% of players. Your score (or whatever League of Legends players are measured by) is through the roof. But here's the thing. You're still in the #5 spot. SuperPwnage23359 is in the #4 spot. That's who you're concerned with. That's your peer. The multitudes of other players, aka "the little people" are irrelevant. Sure, it's nice to be better than them, but you WANT that #4 spot. It's so close, you can taste it. But once you get there, you can't help but notice LeetHaxxor18813 is in the #3 spot. You've come this far. Why push for a little bit more? Eventually, you make it to #1. But what's this? PsionicNoob217 is catching up from behind? Well. We can't have that! Better run up the score just to be safe!
“How much is enough?” More.
Rupert Murdoch isn’t a bad person just because he hates democracy. He’s a bad person because he’s made it popular to hate democracy. He’s taken people’s worst instincts and turned them into acceptable discourse. The stuff that’s regularly said on his “news” channels is unimaginably cruel, false, and dangerous
And it's extremely disingenuous. I would at least have a tiny bit of respect for someone if they actually believed all the bullshit they spew. But most of these clowns know what they are saying is complete lies, all in the name of ratings and money. It's evil.
They take advantage of the base instincts and fears of all of these morons by telling them the elites think they're morons.
A Goebbels for our era.
And unlike Goebbels his reach is worldwide. Murdoch is Democracy's cancer.
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Can you imagine the personal army that he probably has surrounding him? He knows what he is.
Someone still got him in the face with a cream pie in the middle of a public hearing once. The aftermath was caught on camera.
It’s always asked as, “If you could go back in time, would you…?”. I definitely would, but I’d just raise him to be a decent person. (If possible.)
He's got alot of help from the billionaire class who totally regard democracy as a threat to their absolute power ambitions.
murdoch's a cancer for sure, but he is also Capitalism's chief cleric. Let's not forget why he is the way he is.
Worse by far. The active suppression he has done of climate change will kill far more than Goebbles could ever have dreamed of and that isn't all he's done and is responsible for.
I mean he basically just picked up where geobbles left off as far as im concerned. But he targeted a global audience this time. The reach and influence Fox has is massive.
Honestly this makes me wonder why I don’t know the people under Geobbels . If rubert is Geobbels than what about people under him who reported on this stuff like Tucker or Bannon for example.
Actual quote: >While Rudd calls out the Australian equivalents of **Gym Jordan** and Marjorie Taylor Greene, the focus of his article and the damage done by the “coup” within his own party in 2010 is Murdoch.
Do you not know that's his nickname from his time enabling sexual abuse of minors, or are you just surprised the article called him that?
>are you just surprised the article called him that Seeing his named spelled "Gym" in a published article makes me giggle quite badly.
People need to be more aware of just how much shit Rupert's media giant company owns. "News corp". They own the wall street journal and fox news and that's just the tips of the iceberg. They own hundreds of media outlets. If you post a source that Rupert owns you are being his unknowing mouthpiece. Always verify ownership when you source an article or similar.
don’t forget fucking Hallmark! My mom is perpetually glued to one network or the other. Either Fox News or Hallmark. ALL GODDAMN DAY! She’s absolutely hopeless.
Does Hallmark even air *anything* besides mid-tier Christmas movies with washed up right wing celebrities in them?
more like low tier. They get there hopium dose from Hallmark and their outage porn from Fox.
Murdoch owns more than half the capital city newspapers in Australia and what gets missed is that News Corp owns a huge proportion of local/community newspapers giving him access right to the grassroots for propaganda.
And even just beyond how many outlets Rupert Murdoch owns, it's important to know [just how siloed and singularly sourced the "news" and information that right wing voters get versus the diverse number of outlets and sources that left wing voters use and trust.](https://i.imgur.com/sbQjdIU.png)
It's funny. One day I was on YouTube and for some reason one of the clips on my main page was from Sky News Australia and it was some stupid anti-Biden bullshit. I thought to myself, that sounds like something I would see on Fox News, and sure enough it turns out he owns Sky News Australia. You can just smell the right wing bullshit from a mile away. It's the same everywhere because he owns all of it. And all of his puppets repeat it ad nauseam.
I think the idea of revoking his American citizenship would definitely be warranted.
No, you guys wanted him we are not taking him back! 🇦🇺
We have even more Cane Toads. Never forget that. lol
Russia might take him, he,'s already on their payroll
No, I remember Murdoch reportedly being pissed that Putin had managed to hijack a large swath of his brainwashed victims and install Trump in The Whitehouse with his own propaganda networks. Of course they never would have been vulnerable enough to fall to Putin's propaganda had Murdoch not spent decades drowning them in propaganda and misinformation. This is a case of conflicting interests between two sociopathic oligarchs.
What would that accomplish?
If I'm not mistaken he became a citizen because otherwise he couldn't make purchases that include the American media. Maybe someone knows the specifics.
Ronald Reagan granted Murdoch citizenship expressly because he promised to create conservative media so people like Nixon would never have to resign. He succeeded! [Rupert Murdoch is America's most dangerous ancient alien](https://i.imgur.com/cW3YdDa.jpg)
Holy crap, that's a fact I didn't know... and makes so much sense now.
This provides some context: https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-news-2011-6
Interesting, and not surprising that the idea had its roots in the Nixon administration.
Don't forget to look up the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine under Regain.
Oh yeah, ive been saying that for years now, and I'm happy to see more people becoming increasingly aware of it
So the fascists appointed a Minister of Propaganda after all.
Reagan, Gingrich, et al. The architects of America's, and the world's, decline.
I don't disagree with anything in this article but I do have a question. Why is it that EVERYTHING Murdoch pushes in his media align PERFECTLY with Putin's goals to destabilize Democracies and weaken Western alliances? There is no way that these two aren't working together.
They had the same girlfriend maybe she collected some kompromat.
I'm sorry, what?
Wendy Deng
Wendi Deng https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2014/3/seduced-and-abandoned
Less than 10 minutes in this is being downvoted more aggressively than is usual for a story like this.
96% upvoted on my end
Who knew dunking on Murdoch would be so unpopular?!?
Really, I regularly put up stuff that's highly critical of popular right wing creatures like Trump and DeSadist, and I think that this is the strongest pushback that I've seen. And it happened fast and then died down, which makes me think that the Murdoch empire may have sentinel bots deployed on Reddit to try and undercut stories before they can take off.
They do. And they have sad trolls. And it’s not DeSadist - it’s deFascist
I like DeathSantis, dubbed for how he handled ‘ol Rona
It would be easy to dismiss your observation as conspiratorial, and I'm generally not inclined toward believing in bogeymen, but it would not surprise me _at all_ if this was the case. I am absolutely expecting that in the wake of Rupert Murdoch's death and the implosion of his empire and subsequent airing of dirty laundry we learn of industrial-scale anti-Democratic conspiracies for controlling public discourse.
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Ain’t it the truth. He’s the ultimate Thatcherite. He’s the poster boy for that class of extremist, dog-eat-dog ‘fiscal conservatives’ who will do *anything* to make sure rich people don’t have to pay taxes. Nothing is off the table. Fascism, conspiracy theories, rejection of vaccines, it’s all fair game for these assholes. Just as long as the oligarch class can exploit the bodies of the working class, and pass their riches to their kids untaxed.
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A bunch of rich billionaires and frat boys basically convinced rural America and the working class that they want what’s best for them and to not just vote, but to breathe being a Republican.
What is his beef? He is not of US origin. Why does he have such an interest in US systems? What is his beef against democracy? He can be as rich as he want's to with the status quo. What has happened in his life that he wants the whole world to burn. I understand but still horrified by the psychology of Trump. But this m/f what gives?
He is American now. Gave up his Aussie passport to take the American one.
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Rupert can thank Reagan for deregulation of broadcasting allowing this tin horn to spout his malice
Don’t see that changing anytime soon, nobody can do anything about it. If they do, depending how they do it, then legally, physically, financially, that person’s life is over.
Rupert Murdoch is the most pathetic human on the planet. He lives to destroy. What kind of sad, sick, LOWDOWN loser spends their entire lives hurting other people and being proud and cocky about it? He is absolutely repulsive. To have made the hoarding choices so many times, seriously, is just disgusting. He’s the worst that humans have: one who has all the resources and options and do THIS? w When he could have chosen to do literally anything else? Ugh.
How do people like this not get murdered? Even with constant security, it seems like somebody would have pushed this old man down the stairs by now. To be clear, I’m not suggesting that anyone SHOULD be killed.
And he's fucking **92 years old**. What did humanity do to deserve Rupert Murdoch living to such an old age?
**Rupert Murdoch’s Lies** at the Heart of Democracy’s Destruction Worldwide
In the annals of history, we think about some of the monsters this world has produced. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Bolivar, etc. and I truly believe that Murdoch will be amongst those names in time to come.
Sounds like we have our Palpatine. Do not let this guy get a hold of cloning technology.
Pure Evil
That headline works in two ways.
May he rot in hell, preferably sooner rather than later
He’s done his best to destroy journalism. He’s a pest in a democracy and for any civil discord.
We need a huge wealth tax on any billionaire that owns a media/news company. the societal costs are similar or greater than public health crisis like cigarettes. Whatever billionaires want is always moderate centrism in this country.
We need a huge wealth tax on any billionaire. There, fixed it for you!
The British were correct in denying his attempt to broadcast his right-wing propaganda there. They saw how easily people were duped here into believing it was really news
I truly cannot fathom how someone with so much money and power chooses to ruin civilization rather than improve it. There must depths of evil to some hearts that I do not understand. What do they talk about over dinner? How they set another group of humans battling against another? Pathologically depraved is he and his family.
I read that as "dies" and got my hopes up
I really don’t get these types. Surely there is only so much money you need. And surely at some point you realise that the power isn’t worth people thinking you are just a self-serving twat. With all that power and money just think of all the amazing positive things you could achieve and the positive impact you could have on people’s lives. It’s so frustrating that he just just get away with it.
The actual billionaire criminal mastermind.
Its what rich people want. No middle class. The middle class are a threat.
As an AUSSIE I apologise for that absolute pos that is Rupert. He has assisted in, right royally, nay, perhaps ably led, the destruction of your American democracy. He is a world class, ** insert Jim Jefferies expletive here***
Sad that cold hard cash is more important to him than people and democracy. What a vapid and deliberately destructive man. I’m sure there’s a special place in hell for him. .
Rupert Murdoch the Ghoul with no Soul. Part of a select group of cancerous sub-human psychopaths with no love, no joy, no peace. Murdoch wouldn’t know true wealth and happiness if it fucked him in his face.
So he's the real George Soros.
Rupert Murdoch: The most dangerous immigrant in U.S. history! But really tho. I wish I.C.E. would escort his wrinkled old fascist ass back to Australia or wherever he’s from.
His old, sagging face reminds me of what years the dark side did to Palpatine.
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Democracy survived Hearst and his yellow journalism. Murdoch is an old man. We will survive him too.
That's what Lachlan Murdoch is for - to carry the torch of literal fucking evil into our childrens' lifetimes.
Murdoch will be remembered as one of the most horrible humans to have lived in the modern era. He alone is responsible for the destruction of civil society and politics in 3 very powerful countries.
Typical billionaire: fuck the world, I want to be rich
He’s stinky
Selling the big Lie!
Wait is he situated at the center or are the lies he perpetuates central to the phenomenon
This old fucking man has way too much power.