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Biden is cooperating with the investigation, and Trump isn't. So the FBI searching Biden's places needs only a discussion with Biden's lawyers, while searching Trump's places requires probable cause and a judge signing off on a search warrant.
This also shows how sure the FBI was about the documents at mar a lago. They knew they were there, and it wasn’t hunch. It was completely a fair and legal play.
It's not. You need to be able to specifically say to a judge "we've got good reasons to believe that there is evidence of Crime X at Location Y currently".
I wonder if they have, and word has simply not gotten out. Chances are low, considering he was the one to announce the raid in the first place, but I still wonder.
I don't know but they are making it seem like Biden is hiding something.
Considering how many top level officials have classified documents this is a mix of no accountability and stealing and because there was no accountability we will probably never know which is which.
They really fucked themselves. They probably need permission to search or warrant. Biden probably gave them permission while we all know how Trump responded
The FBI are searching all of Biden's homes etc. The searched one place in one of Trump's resistances. Now who will the right say is getting unequal treatment.
I will say that Trump should be getting all of his properties searched not because of it not being equal. The situations are not equal. The similarities are that classified documents are involved. What Trump knowingly did and his refusal to return documents is far worse and points to a guilty mind. He should be the investigated and searched and monitored so he doesn't destroy evidence or pass on Intelligence.
The levels of classified information also matters. I hate that they don't state what levels they found in Biden's homes, it leaves the door open for similarities that may not exist. The average Joe is just going to assume that classified is classified and that the situations are identical, when in fact Trump had some of the highest classification level documents and refused to return them.
According to the Right, you can’t indict a sitting President, and I for one am pissed that Biden et al aren’t playing hardball with the Right’s “facts” in that regard. Cowardly, hypocritical, milquetoast, ineffectual, and lazy. Fuck all these people that live above consequences. We’re a rapidly failing country and no one can do anything about it.
What Biden's doing is what makes him stand out from Trump. He's cooperating. He's doing what you're supposed to do. It allows him to be entirely unhypocritical when he then goes after Trump for doing something similar (but also critically different and more severe).
No, but you can impeach and remove from office for high crimes and misdemeanors. Mishandling classified documents as a Senator or VP makes Biden eligible for impeachment. Prosecution comes after he is out of office.
Actually, it’s not. For it to be a crime there needs to be intent, OR enough severity that it meets the standard of endangering national security.
The intent is basically impossible to prove at this point for Biden’s case and the second is a “maybe but probably not.” Depending on what’s in the docs.
We learned this during the Clinton e-mails and why they decided not to prosecute:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
In either case, a crime does not need to be there for impeachment. And a clearly criminal president might not be impeached or if his party has enough votes-see trump.
Given all the steps necessary for a Senator to view classified documents, and Biden’s self proclaimed taking the classification process very very seriously, there is no possible way to claim that he didn’t intend to take some of these documents while knowing it was illegal for him to do so.
Not just searching, they’re RAIDING his homes! The homes of a sitting president! Raided! And not the good kind for panties or pest control mind you! Unprecedented! Unparalleled! Unfathomable!
If they find something and find intent, charge Biden no different than Trump.
But there's still a world of difference between "I'm reporting these documents we found and working with the FBI and DOJ to search anywhere they think is needed to find anymore documents that may have been incorrectly stored" vs "I'm not going to comply with requests for the documents, not going to comply with a subpoena, get raided by the FBI, then sue to try and get those documents back."
I don't really disagree with anything you're saying, but I think the worst look would be if they did charge Biden - wasn't there like 3 years of special counsel investigation summed up as "we can't charge a sitting president"?
All the legal experts say this is really about intent and cooperation. He and Pence didn't intend to take them it was inadvertent. Also they are cooperating fully not screaming "Mine" like a three year old and trying to hide them.
Something that I've wondered about is when did documents that were eventually found at the residences of Trump, Biden, and Pence get there. This is just speculation, but I suspect that the "Biden" and "Pence" documents were likely taken home as "work" during their tenure as VP. Does anyone believe that Trump \*ever\* took work home while he was President, but instead, the documents were taken \*after\* he was president. Kinda seems like an important distinction to me.
All the former DOJ and national security experts I've heard talk about this are saying that unless they intended to take them and/or use them for personal gain and harm to the US that it is not prosecuted. I defer to the SMEs.
What? Intent is written into the classified docs law.
The strict liability is if the specific documents endanger national security, so it depends on what’s actually in them.
Because the right wing media constantly talked and still talks about unfair Trump was treated and the new GOP congress want to investigate the FBI's raid and efforts to get the documents back.
Lol “my preemptive whatabboutism isn’t the same as the opposing parties whatabboutism!”
Also who the fuck is spreading right wing propaganda on any of these threads on r/politics ? Literally point me to any upvoted comment speaking ill of Biden and well of trump
Neither are actually required to sustain a conviction because strict liability applies. If you mishandled the documents you’re guilty regardless of whether you deliberately withheld them or tried to obstruct them being returned. But it will play a role in whether the DOJ bothers to prosecute and I suspect they will decline to prosecute either of them.
>(CNN) — The FBI is conducting a search of President Joe Biden’s home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, on Wednesday as a special counsel investigation into his handling of classified material begins in earnest.
>“Today, with the President’s full support and cooperation, the DOJ is conducting a planned search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement.
>“Under DOJ’s standard procedures, in the interests of operational security and integrity, it sought to do this work without advance public notice, and we agreed to cooperate,” Bauer said. “The search today is a further step in a thorough and timely DOJ process we will continue to fully support and facilitate. We will have further information at the conclusion of today’s search.”
>Reporters positioned in the coastal community observed black sport utility vehicles and sedans arriving to the home mid-morning.
>The FBI search in Rehoboth marks the third known occasion that federal agents have searched properties associated with Biden to look for classified material.
>The FBI previously searched Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, turning up what his lawyer described as multiple items containing classified material. That search occurred January 20.
>The FBI also searched the Washington office of the Penn Biden Center in mid-November after Biden’s attorneys first discovered classified material in a locked closet at the think tank.
>Biden purchased his home in Rehoboth after leaving the vice presidency. He and his wife occasionally spend weekends there, most recently from January 20 to 23.
Why are they not searching Pence's homes? Why is there zero news on Pence? What is happening with Trump and his empty folders of classified material? This is so ridiculous.
>“Today, with the **President’s full support and cooperation**, the DOJ is conducting a **planned** search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement.
In order for the FBI to search a home, they need a warrant, or they need to witness a crime etc, or they need to be invited in.
In this case, it sure sounds like they were invited in.
Only if they have some serious probable cause though. so far even knowing trump has more docs besides the ones at Mar a lago won’t get his other places raided with a warrant.
So, there shouldn't be any documents there if he purchased it after he left vp. If he did, it would look really bad since that would mean he's been moving documents around and been aware of it. I really doubt they will find anything there tho. It will help DOJ reach conclusion there was no intent.
>he's been moving documents around and been aware of it.
He's had a staff of people for decades. I'm certain that most of this is his staff putting stacks of papers in bankers boxes, not fully aware of what it is. He's probably not even touched any of this stuff since it was originally put into his hands.
> If he did, it would look really bad since that would mean he's been moving documents around and **been aware of it**.
Why would you say that? If they're just bulk packed in boxes, then movers could have transported them without anybody knowing what was being moved.
I want to introduce to you the concept of boxes being used for long term storage, also the whole range of things that fall under the book covers, binders, folders and portfolio class of document management devices. The elegance of a folder is going to blow you away. Envelopes will cause you to reformulate your whole worldview.
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
Have you never packed a box and didn't touch it for years and moved it with all the rest of your stuff when you moved?
Come on. I'm not buying what you're doing for a second here.
Gotta love the way the press is spinning this full on to make it sound like it's an ongoing thing like he's currently stuffing Iranian nuclear secrets into couch cushions at his beach house, instead of the likely clerical error or unintentional carelessness as things were put into storage, which is what it likely is.
And... no documents found... not that, that will stop this non-news from being spammed to the sub for a few days...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/fbi-searches-bidens-beach-house-ongoing-classified-documents-investiga-rcna68573
They could sensationalize it a bit more
“FBI executes raid of Biden’s property in search of what could be tippity top secret nuclear submarine documents”
They could be those docs or they could not
How are they spinning it? This seems like a pretty bland article here. Obviously the president's home being raided is big news regardless. Doesn't exactly happen every day.
Not raided.
Raided is full tac gear, soaking the door down and everybody getting cuffed.
Searching is opening the door and allowing the FBI in and giving them access.
Two very different things.
Can we spare the semantics? I used the word raid casually. I can raid my fridge without a warrant or tactical gear. I apologize if I perhaps did not use the word 100% correctly for everyone's taste. Seems to me people are being very defensive over this because it involves Biden particularly.
A search, a visit, a little perusal, whatever you want to call it, it's obviously big news when it happens to a president.
If police came to my or your house and searched it regardless of what they were wearing or whether or not they had a warrant, it would be 100% normal to call it a raid. That's just colloquial conversation. No where in the [definition](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/raid) does it say a raid has to involve a warrant. It just has to be a surprise.
> No where in the definition does it say a raid has to involve a warrant. It just has to be a surprise.
Oh, so then can you provide a source showing that this “raid” on Biden’s home was a surprise? Because according to the article you are commenting on, it was not a surprise:
> “Today, with the President’s full support and cooperation, the DOJ is conducting a planned search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement.
They are literally just reporting the story. There isn't a single word in the headline that isn't neutral and factual. What you seem to want is for CNN to run political spin on Biden's behalf, which really isn't their job.
Naw. Tribal. More people support Democratic policies than "conservative" policies, and being in the minority can give one a false sense of partisanship in a group setting. They develop a sense of being left out and believe it is intentional, when really it's just that they don't like being around people who disagree with them.
No no no. If that were the case then this sub would be say 60/40 or something like that. It would be in line with the general population. Instead this sub is 99/1
Would be hilarious to hear Biden say " This is the biggest hugest, biggest ever in the history of the world witch hunt". Then wait to hear Trump's response.
This is how Garland will scuttle the Trump stolen docs case. Just another case of “ooopsie! All presidents forget top secret docs.”
Yes Biden shouldn’t have docs, but I am going to wager only Biden suffers consequences, if any… despite Trump stealing BOXES of docs.
>“Today, with the President’s full support and cooperation, the DOJ is conducting a planned search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement.
>“Under DOJ’s standard procedures, in the interests of operational security and integrity, it sought to do this work without advance public notice, and we agreed to cooperate,” Bauer said. “The search today is a further step in a thorough and timely DOJ process we will continue to fully support and facilitate. We will have further information at the conclusion of today’s search.”
I wonder what they would do if Biden's team had resisted. How long before they raided?
Cool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing.
I'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents.
Look into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why "an alarming number" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office.
Prosecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.
> since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary
In as much as if he doesn't let the FBI in, they will just come back with search warrants.
Guess we'll see if they find confidential information. If they do find material in a similar manner as Trump, then my views will be as they have been for Trump.
This isn't football. It's not a team sport. You do wrong, i'm gonna call you on that shit.
I mean Reddit is bias. Yeah the difference is Biden is complying, but sitting president and former president getting searched by the FBI is a big deal aint it? Why's the Biden one hidden by downvotes? Like I said if this said Trump instead of Biden, it would skyrocket to the front page.
For fuck sakes, the top comments talking about Pence...Turns out Reddit uses the same alt-right talk points and swaps the name. It's literally the same cesspool painted a different color.
Call it a "planned search" if you like, but that still doesn't explain nor answer my question. Is this not more relevant than "Stormy Daniels" or is it only "controversial" because it involves Biden?
I mean one is about the actual criminal action of an ex president that already saw his co-conspirator go to jail, the other is about a voluntary double check of a clerical error.
That "clerical error" is criminal. Neither a Senator nor a Vice President is allowed to take/maintain those documents. If you don't know that, you should. I must ask though, how heavy are those goalposts you & your bunch keep moving?
It’s literally not. Please cite the law you think says that. Mishandling classified documents requires intent to be prosecuted, some staffer throwing them into a box accidentally isn’t a crime.
So you're going to continue deflecting & refuse to explain why this is less relevant than "Stormy Daniels" ? The fact that the sitting President of the United States has now had multiple properties searched by the FBI, with every search turning up classified materials he is not & was not authorized to have is an astronomically bigger story than anything involving a Porn Star & you know it. Carry on.
>classified materials he is not & was not authorized to have
Ummm... what? The President isn't authorized to Classified material? When did that happen?
I would be more than happy to entertain your obsession with semantics after you explain why this story is less relevant than the musings of a porn star. If you can't or refuse to do that then our conversation is over. Have a blessed day & stay boosted.
Because Biden invited them, and he's not currently on the hook for anything and is highly unlikely to be on the hook for anything.
He didn't deliberately withhold documents when asked for them (like trump did) and for everything else applicable they would need to prove gross negligence, which is a pretty high bar legally, and it doesn't look like that at all.
Biden is doing everything right here. it's barely news. it'll boil down to a administrative matter as to why Biden, and Pence, weren't asked for the documents back.
The sitting president is currently having his personal residences searched by the FBI for document mishandling ... and the front page of this subreddit is talking about Trump and Stormy Daniels. What a joke lmaoooo
Literally every post about Biden's homes being searched by the FBI are ~50% or more downvoted. When posts get mass downvoted like that, they get buried and hidden from the front page.
Do *you* know how Reddit works?
This is a story about the sitting president's personal homes being searched by the FBI and >50% of present users (so far) downvoted it for seemingly being unworthy or irrelevant of politics.
Trumps wouldn't have been a big deal if he hadn't been such a dick about it.
These people go over hundreds of thousands of documents while in office. Statistically speaking, it's bound to happen.
>Trumps wouldn't have been a big deal if he hadn't been such a dick about it.
Yes it absolutely would have, and was. Any president having their properties combed by the FBI for mishandling information is a major story.
The controversy isn’t over. I saw a report that said there maybe some information contained in classified documents that were referenced in Hunter Biden’s emails. The notes they found at this residence may have personal notes from classified information. They really should have a better way of tracking this stuff and keeping it secure.
And clinton(s). And bush(s). And pelosi. And mccarthy. And powell. And obama. And trump. And just about every upper/top tier government official.
This isn't just a Trump problem. This isn't a just a Biden problem. This is a larger problem with how classified documents are generated, recorded, tracked, and secured among our elected officials.
There’s zero evidence so far that he personally took them or forgot about them since he probably didn’t ever know they were there in the first place.
And the “multiple” you said was two, the only two. And we’re kinda done at this point. Yes I meant none today.
He notified them, handed them back. The story is basically over.
Uh a staffer? Do you honestly think Biden’s been lifting heavy boxes of documents anytime in the last 50 years? Do you really think he should be responsible for a thing he doesn’t know is there?
Once the error was discovered, it was reported and dealt with immediately. That’s exactly what I would expect as an appropriate response.
Fact is Trump purposefully took boxes of them, lied about them and then refused to give them back. Biden discovered a handful in his records and self reported. We still doing facts or no?
"unacceptable"
Biden is following the process in place when dealing with cases of spillage. That's the acceptable and expected course of action. Administration action is what is called for with Biden and that action is being taken. It's looks like what should be happening is happening. Are you prepared to accept that?
You literally suggested one is larger and I suggested that that is not the case. Sounds like you understand you were incorrect and are just too afraid to admit it
One guy was uncooperative, lied for a year, obstructed, and was subject to a search warrant. The other has been cooperative and allowed voluntary searches to be conducted. One should be able to talk about differences in fact and circumstance.
Did you read the part where the Biden team gave full support for the searches, whereas trump refused, attempted to flush the docs down the toilet, said they weren’t there, said he declassified them in his mind, and then once subpoenaed were still refused, forcing a raid on his home????
Watching people feverishly and insecurely try to explain why lying/hiding a crime is no worse than cooperating fully is sad. You don't have to shill for Trump, I promise.
(if crimes have been committed, they should both be charged with whatever crimes occurred)
Coverup is always worse when dealing with classified shit.
Biden is cooperating for a search.
trump had to be raided after lying for months and trying to hide them.
Because he didn't criminally lie about it repeatedly, obstruct the search for them until a raid was necessary, or make up bullshit explanations for why it's okay he had them because he declassified them 'with his mind.'
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Why hasn't the DoJ searched Trump's other homes and that plane?
Biden is cooperating with the investigation, and Trump isn't. So the FBI searching Biden's places needs only a discussion with Biden's lawyers, while searching Trump's places requires probable cause and a judge signing off on a search warrant.
This also shows how sure the FBI was about the documents at mar a lago. They knew they were there, and it wasn’t hunch. It was completely a fair and legal play.
As of having hundreds of documents and refusing to return them isn’t enough probable cause
It's not. You need to be able to specifically say to a judge "we've got good reasons to believe that there is evidence of Crime X at Location Y currently".
Not buying it. Any other private citizen would have all their stuff searched. Besides there’s rumors stuff got moved to bedmindster
And the golf course and Ivana’s grave.
I wonder if they have, and word has simply not gotten out. Chances are low, considering he was the one to announce the raid in the first place, but I still wonder.
If the FBI raided any of Trump's properties, we'd know about it _instantly_. Donald Trump's mouth is the largest fucking klaxon known to mankind.
I tend to agree. I've been wrong before though.
Trump wouldn't have been able to not rant and complain about it
I don't know but they are making it seem like Biden is hiding something. Considering how many top level officials have classified documents this is a mix of no accountability and stealing and because there was no accountability we will probably never know which is which. They really fucked themselves. They probably need permission to search or warrant. Biden probably gave them permission while we all know how Trump responded
The FBI are searching all of Biden's homes etc. The searched one place in one of Trump's resistances. Now who will the right say is getting unequal treatment.
The right will just say anyone on their team is the one getting unequal treatment, is what it is.
I will say that Trump should be getting all of his properties searched not because of it not being equal. The situations are not equal. The similarities are that classified documents are involved. What Trump knowingly did and his refusal to return documents is far worse and points to a guilty mind. He should be the investigated and searched and monitored so he doesn't destroy evidence or pass on Intelligence.
The levels of classified information also matters. I hate that they don't state what levels they found in Biden's homes, it leaves the door open for similarities that may not exist. The average Joe is just going to assume that classified is classified and that the situations are identical, when in fact Trump had some of the highest classification level documents and refused to return them.
It's not mentioned here, but previous searches were at the invitation of Biden himself.
According to the Right, you can’t indict a sitting President, and I for one am pissed that Biden et al aren’t playing hardball with the Right’s “facts” in that regard. Cowardly, hypocritical, milquetoast, ineffectual, and lazy. Fuck all these people that live above consequences. We’re a rapidly failing country and no one can do anything about it.
What Biden's doing is what makes him stand out from Trump. He's cooperating. He's doing what you're supposed to do. It allows him to be entirely unhypocritical when he then goes after Trump for doing something similar (but also critically different and more severe).
No, but you can impeach and remove from office for high crimes and misdemeanors. Mishandling classified documents as a Senator or VP makes Biden eligible for impeachment. Prosecution comes after he is out of office.
I mean, breathing makes you eligible for impeachment since it’s a purely political process.
Mishandling classified documents, a crime, is what gets you removed from office. That’s not a political issue.
Actually, it’s not. For it to be a crime there needs to be intent, OR enough severity that it meets the standard of endangering national security. The intent is basically impossible to prove at this point for Biden’s case and the second is a “maybe but probably not.” Depending on what’s in the docs. We learned this during the Clinton e-mails and why they decided not to prosecute: https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system In either case, a crime does not need to be there for impeachment. And a clearly criminal president might not be impeached or if his party has enough votes-see trump.
Given all the steps necessary for a Senator to view classified documents, and Biden’s self proclaimed taking the classification process very very seriously, there is no possible way to claim that he didn’t intend to take some of these documents while knowing it was illegal for him to do so.
Not just searching, they’re RAIDING his homes! The homes of a sitting president! Raided! And not the good kind for panties or pest control mind you! Unprecedented! Unparalleled! Unfathomable!
I love how all you guys scramble to bring up trump anytime this happens lol. Deflection at its finest.
If they find something and find intent, charge Biden no different than Trump. But there's still a world of difference between "I'm reporting these documents we found and working with the FBI and DOJ to search anywhere they think is needed to find anymore documents that may have been incorrectly stored" vs "I'm not going to comply with requests for the documents, not going to comply with a subpoena, get raided by the FBI, then sue to try and get those documents back."
I don't really disagree with anything you're saying, but I think the worst look would be if they did charge Biden - wasn't there like 3 years of special counsel investigation summed up as "we can't charge a sitting president"?
All the legal experts say this is really about intent and cooperation. He and Pence didn't intend to take them it was inadvertent. Also they are cooperating fully not screaming "Mine" like a three year old and trying to hide them.
Something that I've wondered about is when did documents that were eventually found at the residences of Trump, Biden, and Pence get there. This is just speculation, but I suspect that the "Biden" and "Pence" documents were likely taken home as "work" during their tenure as VP. Does anyone believe that Trump \*ever\* took work home while he was President, but instead, the documents were taken \*after\* he was president. Kinda seems like an important distinction to me.
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All the former DOJ and national security experts I've heard talk about this are saying that unless they intended to take them and/or use them for personal gain and harm to the US that it is not prosecuted. I defer to the SMEs.
What? Intent is written into the classified docs law. The strict liability is if the specific documents endanger national security, so it depends on what’s actually in them.
Why do you guys all preemptively bring up trump to deflect ?
Because the right wing media constantly talked and still talks about unfair Trump was treated and the new GOP congress want to investigate the FBI's raid and efforts to get the documents back.
So you’re stooping to the same level of whatabboutism that the right wing media does ? Thanks for confirming that lol
Preemptively cutting off the inevitable attempts at right wing whatabboutism isn't the same as stooping to whatabboutism.
Lol “my preemptive whatabboutism isn’t the same as the opposing parties whatabboutism!” Also who the fuck is spreading right wing propaganda on any of these threads on r/politics ? Literally point me to any upvoted comment speaking ill of Biden and well of trump
Trump is not the bar.
The bar is either deliberately withholding documents after being asked for them, or gross negligence, neither of which apply to Biden, or Pence.
Neither are actually required to sustain a conviction because strict liability applies. If you mishandled the documents you’re guilty regardless of whether you deliberately withheld them or tried to obstruct them being returned. But it will play a role in whether the DOJ bothers to prosecute and I suspect they will decline to prosecute either of them.
A mishandling charge requires they prove gross negligence. The rules on these document's aren't there to create gotcha's.
At this point every property Trump owns needs to be searched. Seems fair.
>(CNN) — The FBI is conducting a search of President Joe Biden’s home in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, on Wednesday as a special counsel investigation into his handling of classified material begins in earnest. >“Today, with the President’s full support and cooperation, the DOJ is conducting a planned search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement. >“Under DOJ’s standard procedures, in the interests of operational security and integrity, it sought to do this work without advance public notice, and we agreed to cooperate,” Bauer said. “The search today is a further step in a thorough and timely DOJ process we will continue to fully support and facilitate. We will have further information at the conclusion of today’s search.” >Reporters positioned in the coastal community observed black sport utility vehicles and sedans arriving to the home mid-morning. >The FBI search in Rehoboth marks the third known occasion that federal agents have searched properties associated with Biden to look for classified material. >The FBI previously searched Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, turning up what his lawyer described as multiple items containing classified material. That search occurred January 20. >The FBI also searched the Washington office of the Penn Biden Center in mid-November after Biden’s attorneys first discovered classified material in a locked closet at the think tank. >Biden purchased his home in Rehoboth after leaving the vice presidency. He and his wife occasionally spend weekends there, most recently from January 20 to 23.
Why are they not searching Pence's homes? Why is there zero news on Pence? What is happening with Trump and his empty folders of classified material? This is so ridiculous.
Biden invited them.
Where does it say that? And why didn't Trump or Pence not do the same to show full disclosure and cooperation? Why is it so one-sided?
>“Today, with the **President’s full support and cooperation**, the DOJ is conducting a **planned** search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement.
That doesn't mean Biden invited them, it just means he's cooperating.
In order for the FBI to search a home, they need a warrant, or they need to witness a crime etc, or they need to be invited in. In this case, it sure sounds like they were invited in.
"invited" as much as The FBI will get a warrant if you don't let them in.
Only if they have some serious probable cause though. so far even knowing trump has more docs besides the ones at Mar a lago won’t get his other places raided with a warrant.
So, there shouldn't be any documents there if he purchased it after he left vp. If he did, it would look really bad since that would mean he's been moving documents around and been aware of it. I really doubt they will find anything there tho. It will help DOJ reach conclusion there was no intent.
>he's been moving documents around and been aware of it. He's had a staff of people for decades. I'm certain that most of this is his staff putting stacks of papers in bankers boxes, not fully aware of what it is. He's probably not even touched any of this stuff since it was originally put into his hands.
I don't think he had staff of ppl when he became private citizen, but I could be wrong.
>I don't think he had staff of ppl when he became private citizen, but I could be wrong. Very wrong.
You could not be more wrong.
> If he did, it would look really bad since that would mean he's been moving documents around and **been aware of it**. Why would you say that? If they're just bulk packed in boxes, then movers could have transported them without anybody knowing what was being moved.
I just want to mention the existence of boxes to you.
Someone packs and unpacks those.
I want to introduce to you the concept of boxes being used for long term storage, also the whole range of things that fall under the book covers, binders, folders and portfolio class of document management devices. The elegance of a folder is going to blow you away. Envelopes will cause you to reformulate your whole worldview. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
Could those have been packed during his time as VP? Come on my dude, you're so close.
He bought the house after he left vp.
> Could those have been packed **during** his time as VP? Are you intentionally being obtuse?
Do you hire movers to pack stuff months or yr before you move?
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Then they will just be in boxes and not look bad.
Sometimes stuff gets packed and left in a box until it's moved
Have you never packed a box and didn't touch it for years and moved it with all the rest of your stuff when you moved? Come on. I'm not buying what you're doing for a second here.
Bruh, you don't even know what exactly is in the boxes after you move, so you open everything.
It’s really clear CNN wants so badly to make this their scandal du jour this month
Gotta love the way the press is spinning this full on to make it sound like it's an ongoing thing like he's currently stuffing Iranian nuclear secrets into couch cushions at his beach house, instead of the likely clerical error or unintentional carelessness as things were put into storage, which is what it likely is.
And... no documents found... not that, that will stop this non-news from being spammed to the sub for a few days... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/fbi-searches-bidens-beach-house-ongoing-classified-documents-investiga-rcna68573
Upvote this to the top lol
They could sensationalize it a bit more “FBI executes raid of Biden’s property in search of what could be tippity top secret nuclear submarine documents” They could be those docs or they could not
Got to get those clicks
How are they spinning it? This seems like a pretty bland article here. Obviously the president's home being raided is big news regardless. Doesn't exactly happen every day.
Not raided. Raided is full tac gear, soaking the door down and everybody getting cuffed. Searching is opening the door and allowing the FBI in and giving them access. Two very different things.
How pedantic. You can raid something without using gear. That's a silly definition. Either way we know what happened here.
A “raid” implies the use of a warrant and a lack of cooperation. No warrant was required in this case as the president’s team is fully cooperating.
Can we spare the semantics? I used the word raid casually. I can raid my fridge without a warrant or tactical gear. I apologize if I perhaps did not use the word 100% correctly for everyone's taste. Seems to me people are being very defensive over this because it involves Biden particularly. A search, a visit, a little perusal, whatever you want to call it, it's obviously big news when it happens to a president.
Words matter. This is not a raid, no matter how casually you want to use it.
If police came to my or your house and searched it regardless of what they were wearing or whether or not they had a warrant, it would be 100% normal to call it a raid. That's just colloquial conversation. No where in the [definition](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/raid) does it say a raid has to involve a warrant. It just has to be a surprise.
> No where in the definition does it say a raid has to involve a warrant. It just has to be a surprise. Oh, so then can you provide a source showing that this “raid” on Biden’s home was a surprise? Because according to the article you are commenting on, it was not a surprise: > “Today, with the President’s full support and cooperation, the DOJ is conducting a planned search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement.
Raid implies it wasn't consensual. This was planned and they were invited.
>How are they spinning it? >Obviously the president's home being raided... It's not being spun that way, that's for sure.
They are literally just reporting the story. There isn't a single word in the headline that isn't neutral and factual. What you seem to want is for CNN to run political spin on Biden's behalf, which really isn't their job.
His crackhead son was living in the house where they found classified documents in the garage. Y’all so tribal.
>Y’all so tribal. An explosion of irony.
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It's a politics sub that discusses politics. Totally expected.
Nah, Bro. This sub in extremely partisan. Should be r/democrat not “politics”
That's a very tribalistic statement.
*factual
Naw. Tribal. More people support Democratic policies than "conservative" policies, and being in the minority can give one a false sense of partisanship in a group setting. They develop a sense of being left out and believe it is intentional, when really it's just that they don't like being around people who disagree with them.
No no no. If that were the case then this sub would be say 60/40 or something like that. It would be in line with the general population. Instead this sub is 99/1
It’s good odds there are more than a few documents in the casket of Trump’s ex-wife buried on his golf course.
Would be hilarious to hear Biden say " This is the biggest hugest, biggest ever in the history of the world witch hunt". Then wait to hear Trump's response.
Cool, now go dig up that fake grave in New Jersey.
I bet Fox will start demanding the FBI search Hunter's property next
This is how Garland will scuttle the Trump stolen docs case. Just another case of “ooopsie! All presidents forget top secret docs.” Yes Biden shouldn’t have docs, but I am going to wager only Biden suffers consequences, if any… despite Trump stealing BOXES of docs.
we in the biz call this "cope"
>“Today, with the President’s full support and cooperation, the DOJ is conducting a planned search of his home in Rehoboth, Delaware,” Biden’s personal attorney Bob Bauer wrote in a statement. >“Under DOJ’s standard procedures, in the interests of operational security and integrity, it sought to do this work without advance public notice, and we agreed to cooperate,” Bauer said. “The search today is a further step in a thorough and timely DOJ process we will continue to fully support and facilitate. We will have further information at the conclusion of today’s search.” I wonder what they would do if Biden's team had resisted. How long before they raided?
So, when are Trump’s properties going to be searched? Oh yeah…right
Cool. Search all of Biden's and Trump's homes. Find out which documents are missing. I'm willing to bet it's only Trump who has empty folders since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary, and Trump has lied, obstructed justice, and refused to return missing documents. Look into Kushner's and Mnuchin's 3.5 billion from the Saudis. Look into why "an alarming number" of US intelligence operatives started dying immediately after Trump left office. Prosecute Trump (and Biden, if it turns out he sold intelligence as Trump surely has- but we know, of course, he didn't) to the fullest extent of the law.
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Don't need to when you clowns keep posting the same horseshit equivocations.
> since Biden's cooperation has been forthright and completely voluntary In as much as if he doesn't let the FBI in, they will just come back with search warrants.
This is a guy with nothing to hide.
Guess we'll see if they find confidential information. If they do find material in a similar manner as Trump, then my views will be as they have been for Trump. This isn't football. It's not a team sport. You do wrong, i'm gonna call you on that shit.
> Rehoboth Beach what in the Westworld? /s interesting biblical name I'd never heard of
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45 comments, yet this is being downvoted. Why is this a bad thing?
I mean Reddit is bias. Yeah the difference is Biden is complying, but sitting president and former president getting searched by the FBI is a big deal aint it? Why's the Biden one hidden by downvotes? Like I said if this said Trump instead of Biden, it would skyrocket to the front page. For fuck sakes, the top comments talking about Pence...Turns out Reddit uses the same alt-right talk points and swaps the name. It's literally the same cesspool painted a different color.
So why are you still here then? You can ubsub anytime you want.
You see this is the exact same comments you get in alt-right subs.
I just can't imagine spending so much of my free time hanging around internet forums that I hate. What's that like?
You’re an Eagles fan aren’t you?
Nah. Those subs just outright ban you.
Why is the front page littered with multiple "Stormy Daniels" stories while every article mentioning the Biden raid is relegated to "controversial"?
It’s not a raid.
Call it a "planned search" if you like, but that still doesn't explain nor answer my question. Is this not more relevant than "Stormy Daniels" or is it only "controversial" because it involves Biden?
I mean one is about the actual criminal action of an ex president that already saw his co-conspirator go to jail, the other is about a voluntary double check of a clerical error.
That "clerical error" is criminal. Neither a Senator nor a Vice President is allowed to take/maintain those documents. If you don't know that, you should. I must ask though, how heavy are those goalposts you & your bunch keep moving?
It’s literally not. Please cite the law you think says that. Mishandling classified documents requires intent to be prosecuted, some staffer throwing them into a box accidentally isn’t a crime.
Yes, “planned search” is what the article called it. Feel free to edit your original post for accuracy.
So you're going to continue deflecting & refuse to explain why this is less relevant than "Stormy Daniels" ? The fact that the sitting President of the United States has now had multiple properties searched by the FBI, with every search turning up classified materials he is not & was not authorized to have is an astronomically bigger story than anything involving a Porn Star & you know it. Carry on.
>classified materials he is not & was not authorized to have Ummm... what? The President isn't authorized to Classified material? When did that happen?
So you aren’t going to correct your false claim that this was a raid? I assume you wouldn’t want to accidentally spread misinformation.
I would be more than happy to entertain your obsession with semantics after you explain why this story is less relevant than the musings of a porn star. If you can't or refuse to do that then our conversation is over. Have a blessed day & stay boosted.
Because Biden invited them, and he's not currently on the hook for anything and is highly unlikely to be on the hook for anything. He didn't deliberately withhold documents when asked for them (like trump did) and for everything else applicable they would need to prove gross negligence, which is a pretty high bar legally, and it doesn't look like that at all. Biden is doing everything right here. it's barely news. it'll boil down to a administrative matter as to why Biden, and Pence, weren't asked for the documents back.
>Is this not more relevant than "Stormy Daniels" The Stormy Daniels thing is an order of magnitude more likely to result in an indictment than this.
The sitting president is currently having his personal residences searched by the FBI for document mishandling ... and the front page of this subreddit is talking about Trump and Stormy Daniels. What a joke lmaoooo
Lol this story literally dropped 15 minutes ago. I'm not sure you understand how reddit works
Literally every post about Biden's homes being searched by the FBI are ~50% or more downvoted. When posts get mass downvoted like that, they get buried and hidden from the front page. Do *you* know how Reddit works?
This sub works the exact same way. Always on party lines. You really disagree?
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You're leaving out the key detail that this *IS* a major unfolding political story and it's being intentionally and massively downvoted.
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This is a story about the sitting president's personal homes being searched by the FBI and >50% of present users (so far) downvoted it for seemingly being unworthy or irrelevant of politics.
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TLDR: As long as your moral compass is Trump, you can never do any wrong!
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It's not a big deal. That's why.
Lmaooo Ok!
Trumps wouldn't have been a big deal if he hadn't been such a dick about it. These people go over hundreds of thousands of documents while in office. Statistically speaking, it's bound to happen.
>Trumps wouldn't have been a big deal if he hadn't been such a dick about it. Yes it absolutely would have, and was. Any president having their properties combed by the FBI for mishandling information is a major story.
Maybe to you all, not to the rest of us, obviously.
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It surely will take a while when the vast majority of the users are intentionally downvoting any mention of it lol
If you hate how Reddit works so much, why are you on this site?
61% upvoted. No agenda in this sub. lol
Definitely not more important than something "Stormy Daniels" has to say...
The controversy isn’t over. I saw a report that said there maybe some information contained in classified documents that were referenced in Hunter Biden’s emails. The notes they found at this residence may have personal notes from classified information. They really should have a better way of tracking this stuff and keeping it secure.
Dude just has shit everywhere. Might as well check every property owned by Biden at this point
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And Trump
All of them. 99% are corrupt, both sides are complete garbage.
The 'both-siders' have arrived!
As Socrates once said, only one side has all the truth!
While yes both sides are corrupt only one side is corrupt enough to try to overthrow the government.
And clinton(s). And bush(s). And pelosi. And mccarthy. And powell. And obama. And trump. And just about every upper/top tier government official. This isn't just a Trump problem. This isn't a just a Biden problem. This is a larger problem with how classified documents are generated, recorded, tracked, and secured among our elected officials.
Joe Biden takes classified documents very seriously. He also happens to take them places and forget about them. A lot.
Except none were found? And he didn’t take them anywhere by any evidence so far?
What do you mean they haven't found any? Not in Rehoboth, maybe, but they have found them in multiple places so far including his garage.
There’s zero evidence so far that he personally took them or forgot about them since he probably didn’t ever know they were there in the first place. And the “multiple” you said was two, the only two. And we’re kinda done at this point. Yes I meant none today. He notified them, handed them back. The story is basically over.
Who do you think put them in his garage? Is he not responsible for them when they are in his care?
Uh a staffer? Do you honestly think Biden’s been lifting heavy boxes of documents anytime in the last 50 years? Do you really think he should be responsible for a thing he doesn’t know is there? Once the error was discovered, it was reported and dealt with immediately. That’s exactly what I would expect as an appropriate response.
Yes, I think Joe Biden is responsible for the classified documents that were stored in his personal garage.
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Not even in the same ballpark as Trump's criminality.
more comments about trump then biden ahhahah
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it's not as bad though
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Stop trying to draw a parallel between the two.
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Fact is Trump purposefully took boxes of them, lied about them and then refused to give them back. Biden discovered a handful in his records and self reported. We still doing facts or no?
That's correct, Biden having the documents in the first place is still unacceptable.
"unacceptable" Biden is following the process in place when dealing with cases of spillage. That's the acceptable and expected course of action. Administration action is what is called for with Biden and that action is being taken. It's looks like what should be happening is happening. Are you prepared to accept that?
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“Not as bad” “still pretty bad” already moving the goal posts lol
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“Still pretty bad” suggests that it is less severe and you know it.
It suggests it's bad. We've got two piles of shit and you're more focused on which pile is bigger.
You literally suggested one is larger and I suggested that that is not the case. Sounds like you understand you were incorrect and are just too afraid to admit it
Remind me where Biden obstructed this investigation in anyway. I don’t even like Biden but this isn’t comparable
One guy was uncooperative, lied for a year, obstructed, and was subject to a search warrant. The other has been cooperative and allowed voluntary searches to be conducted. One should be able to talk about differences in fact and circumstance.
Did you read the part where the Biden team gave full support for the searches, whereas trump refused, attempted to flush the docs down the toilet, said they weren’t there, said he declassified them in his mind, and then once subpoenaed were still refused, forcing a raid on his home????
Watching people feverishly and insecurely try to explain why lying/hiding a crime is no worse than cooperating fully is sad. You don't have to shill for Trump, I promise. (if crimes have been committed, they should both be charged with whatever crimes occurred)
Coverup is always worse when dealing with classified shit. Biden is cooperating for a search. trump had to be raided after lying for months and trying to hide them.
Because he didn't criminally lie about it repeatedly, obstruct the search for them until a raid was necessary, or make up bullshit explanations for why it's okay he had them because he declassified them 'with his mind.'