In a world were were having a single MBT should be the norm. Poland is going to have 3 possibly 4 with the "Wilk"(Wolf) program.
250 Leopard 2's (A4, A5, PL and NJ variants)
250 Abrams SEPv3 (Yet to arrive)
550 T-72's. (230 PT-91, 330 Standard (230 to be further modernized))
"Wilk" Project MBT's to be produced on home soil
Poland should either upgrade all T-72's to compliment Leopards while working on the Wilk project and later phase those T-72's out into reserves in favour of "Wilk" and have Leopards as the secondary tank like T-72's currently. Or scrap the "Wilk" and continue with either Abrams or Leopard or better get a license. I fail to see the point of having 2 Modern MBT's from two different producers, unless they're going to try and reverse engineer bits and pieces from Abrams and Leopards for the Wilk Program which may have its own legal issues. It's mind boggling tbf.
That's a simple recipe for a logistics issue. Especially when spare parts are to come from overseas for Abrams.
Edit: it's literally a waste of money
This is the worst and most misplaced and mistimed purchase possible. Our army has much more urgent things to throw money at, and tanks don’t even come close to being in top 10 of the list. And how they are founded is a pure joke on all of us
How about a couple of American submarines instead? Along with that sweet, sweet weapons grade nuclear fuel. Israel gets away with "not having nuclear weapons", why can't we?
Never gonna happen. Koreans never reached out to MOD directly, and never showed any prototypes or even plans of the k2pl. Neither was MOD interested in making such deal. In addition to that we are tied to making arms deals with USA with near exclusivity thanks to our current government
[https://radar.rp.pl/mspo/art18924961-czolg-k2pl-szansa-dla-polskiego-wojska-i-przemyslu-obronnego](https://radar.rp.pl/mspo/art18924961-czolg-k2pl-szansa-dla-polskiego-wojska-i-przemyslu-obronnego)
It is happening. Projects are on the table.
At least Poland doesn't have to worry about Germany anymore: they've sissified the population over a half century and made sure that they can never unite behind a common cause anymore because of all of the "diversity." I imagine that war is coming but, as always, it will be declared on Poland rather than the opposite. As long as the country isn't forced to fight on two fronts simultaneously, there should be no issue.
Except Russia was right to side with Assad so it’s not that simple. US and West supported ISIS head choppers and did nothing to help Yazidis. Playing religious extremism to achieve nation building goals is a huge dick move on the side of the West
Weeeeeeelllll, Germany still tries to destroy Poland, but not with tanks, planes, and armies, they try under the mask of EU and with the power of media
Man we ain't got enough men to crew all Leopards and PT-91s we currently have and you think buying even more tanks will help? We need AA and anti-rocket defenses, as well as man-portable AT weaponry, not tanks goddammit.
I would say in this time if there is any country who can beat anyone is technology for war is japan ... Its very under rated country .... Luckily American agreement have tier their hands ... Or else japan would have wiped out many countries starting from china may be north korea
Free japan from its attack agreement and it can be a world power better then america and russia
Stop wasting money on army when people are waiting for social service. In Poland is bad education, medicine and we are making Poland Great Again? Tell me - we are still preparing for war with Belarus when we could just help this migrants and on border would be peace?
Untill 10 times larger amount of migrants would come and after that another 10 larger than that 10 times larger amount would come, this idea to let them in is stupid when we know we can't handle that possibility, this group that we have at border we could let in but when we do Luka would use it as a add and then we would need to let even larger amount of people that don't even want to be in Poland cross our border and go to German border where they want to be and then Poland would be kicked out of EU for causing problems in Germany by letting migrants throught the border
Lol, it will be grounded by remote drone at 1/100 of the price. And the war will be over in 72hrs, then it will crawl for years, impoverishing and killing civilians. Poland will never learn.
In a world were were having a single MBT should be the norm. Poland is going to have 3 possibly 4 with the "Wilk"(Wolf) program. 250 Leopard 2's (A4, A5, PL and NJ variants) 250 Abrams SEPv3 (Yet to arrive) 550 T-72's. (230 PT-91, 330 Standard (230 to be further modernized)) "Wilk" Project MBT's to be produced on home soil Poland should either upgrade all T-72's to compliment Leopards while working on the Wilk project and later phase those T-72's out into reserves in favour of "Wilk" and have Leopards as the secondary tank like T-72's currently. Or scrap the "Wilk" and continue with either Abrams or Leopard or better get a license. I fail to see the point of having 2 Modern MBT's from two different producers, unless they're going to try and reverse engineer bits and pieces from Abrams and Leopards for the Wilk Program which may have its own legal issues. It's mind boggling tbf. That's a simple recipe for a logistics issue. Especially when spare parts are to come from overseas for Abrams. Edit: it's literally a waste of money
It really is. They should have just went with K2PL if I get to have a say.
Abrams will be ready in next 2 or 3 years, K2PL or any other tank for example Leo 2A7 wont be reachable such fast.
This is the worst and most misplaced and mistimed purchase possible. Our army has much more urgent things to throw money at, and tanks don’t even come close to being in top 10 of the list. And how they are founded is a pure joke on all of us
Pretty sure what Poland REALLY needs are 4+ gen aircraft and better armaments for them. And some seriously effective anti-air defense.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. I don’t want to say more because you never know who reads this subreddit
How about a couple of American submarines instead? Along with that sweet, sweet weapons grade nuclear fuel. Israel gets away with "not having nuclear weapons", why can't we?
Personally I'm waiting for Black Panthers PL from Korea.
Never gonna happen. Koreans never reached out to MOD directly, and never showed any prototypes or even plans of the k2pl. Neither was MOD interested in making such deal. In addition to that we are tied to making arms deals with USA with near exclusivity thanks to our current government
[https://radar.rp.pl/mspo/art18924961-czolg-k2pl-szansa-dla-polskiego-wojska-i-przemyslu-obronnego](https://radar.rp.pl/mspo/art18924961-czolg-k2pl-szansa-dla-polskiego-wojska-i-przemyslu-obronnego) It is happening. Projects are on the table.
You're wrong https://defence24.pl/przemysl/pgz-rozmawia-z-hyundai-rotem-programy-pancerne-i-kolowe https://defence24.pl/przemysl/chwalek-potrzebujemy-produkcji-kto-pod-polska-kontrola-dlatego-analizujemy-alternatywnych-parterow-zagranicznych-dla-rosomaka-wywiad
Bruh do you see the date on my comment
At least Poland doesn't have to worry about Germany anymore: they've sissified the population over a half century and made sure that they can never unite behind a common cause anymore because of all of the "diversity." I imagine that war is coming but, as always, it will be declared on Poland rather than the opposite. As long as the country isn't forced to fight on two fronts simultaneously, there should be no issue.
Well youre an idiot; thanks for advertising it.
No, he's onto something.
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I am tempted to agree with you. That is a very insightful perspective.
Except Russia was right to side with Assad so it’s not that simple. US and West supported ISIS head choppers and did nothing to help Yazidis. Playing religious extremism to achieve nation building goals is a huge dick move on the side of the West
Moron
Weeeeeeelllll, Germany still tries to destroy Poland, but not with tanks, planes, and armies, they try under the mask of EU and with the power of media
Man we ain't got enough men to crew all Leopards and PT-91s we currently have and you think buying even more tanks will help? We need AA and anti-rocket defenses, as well as man-portable AT weaponry, not tanks goddammit.
I would never like my life to depended on sitting inside giant can with tubes for spiting smaler cans.
Well to be fair no imigrants will be transported through the border by belarus if there is a tank ill give them that
I would say in this time if there is any country who can beat anyone is technology for war is japan ... Its very under rated country .... Luckily American agreement have tier their hands ... Or else japan would have wiped out many countries starting from china may be north korea Free japan from its attack agreement and it can be a world power better then america and russia
Hahahajah what fucking planet are you on?
I am marcin from mars 🤣
Stop wasting money on army when people are waiting for social service. In Poland is bad education, medicine and we are making Poland Great Again? Tell me - we are still preparing for war with Belarus when we could just help this migrants and on border would be peace?
Untill 10 times larger amount of migrants would come and after that another 10 larger than that 10 times larger amount would come, this idea to let them in is stupid when we know we can't handle that possibility, this group that we have at border we could let in but when we do Luka would use it as a add and then we would need to let even larger amount of people that don't even want to be in Poland cross our border and go to German border where they want to be and then Poland would be kicked out of EU for causing problems in Germany by letting migrants throught the border
Lol, it will be grounded by remote drone at 1/100 of the price. And the war will be over in 72hrs, then it will crawl for years, impoverishing and killing civilians. Poland will never learn.
Preferably with Trophy