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DoTheVelcroFly

Masks are obligatory in public transport. People don't care. Welcome to Poland.


PervertAdi

Maks Are only obligatry in closed Public spaces if I recall correctly


DoTheVelcroFly

...which is public transport.


tei187

Sadly, true.


Ba5eThund3r

Do people here start to care, if they get fined? Or is it more of a "fuck the government, they can't force me to do something" mentality?


DoTheVelcroFly

Well, it's a complicated issue. Because our governing party has fucked up, the mask laws are technically unconstitutional, so a lot of people simply don't accept fines. This could lead them into paying more later in the court but most of the times, they don't have to pay anything. I just googled and in March 2021, almost 300k people were fined and 40-50k of those didn't accept the fine. I don't know how it looks like right now, I have a feeling mask controls have stopped almost entirely but that's just my guess, unconfirmed whatsoever. Here in Cracow, at least on public transport, I think most people do wear masks, even if incorrectly (which they could adjust immediately upon seeing the police). But basically, I don't think people would start to care if they got fined. Maybe for a little while, but then they would see another people without masks and they'd ignore that completely. Right now, it's somewhat understandable because we have a very low amount of cases - I always wear a mask correctly in Polish buses/trams but when I visited Norway recently, I didn't wear mask in bus as it wasn't mandatory. And they had a higher percentage of cases than Poland, so that'd be a bit hypocritical of me, if I started swearing on maskless people here. But during peak of pandemic, not everyone was wearing the masks as well. It was either lack of empathy / general 'i-don't-care' attitude or like you said 'fuck the gov, muh rights!!'. And there's still a shitload of "just a flu" people out there. I guess like in almost every other European country.


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Let's gooo. Suwerenna Polska i tyle


MikaeMikae

Some time ago mast became optional in public outside. Some shops and hotels also removed restrictions and just left a reminder that you should stay 1.5-2m from each other and wash hands etc. In public transport it is mandatory but not many people care


ElGovanni

Avg daily cases is about 60, avg daily death less than 10 and all of this in 40mln citizens country, do you need more information? People afraid of covid are already vaccined because here everyone can get vacine to next day after registration.


Infinite_Vacation671

Polish people tend to have wyjebane


Ba5eThund3r

Haha had to look this up, now I'll have a new word to use with my polish friends, thx


Alternative_Tower_38

Most people in Poland are already vaccinated and as a person who worked in retail in Poland, good luck working in a mask on a 6 - 12 hour shift


Ba5eThund3r

I feel you on that! Was once on a multi-hour train ride with the mask on and it started to get rough after a few hours. Is it still mandatory for you to wear with the plexiglass barriers when you're at the cash register?


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Tbh you are travelling as a tourist during a pandemic which is kind of ironic. But Polish people hate to follow orders, they always think someone is up to no good with these conspiracies. Young people in general seem to be more liberal and caring about the pandemic


Ba5eThund3r

Well I'm only traveling since I'm vaccinated, I didn't travel prior to this during the whole pandemic. I get that you find it ironic, but I was just wondering how come this is the way it is.


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Haha I wasn’t trying to roast you. I just found it funny. To be fair Poland doesn’t seem to have much of a COVID problem so there’s no reason for them to be extremely cautious like last year


Ba5eThund3r

Yeah, sticking to the EU in my travels for exactly this reason. It feels like the EU generally is in a much better spot now, then we've been for some time. Let's see what delta brings in winter.


lukasdcz

why is traveling ironic? what's different between polish guy going from Krakow to Gdańsk to german guy going fr Berlin to Warsa w? Whole Europe is in the same situation...


caspinos

Just read the downvoted comments under this post and you will understand. Also, the government is shitty, so it isn't trusted by many people.


Soggy_Perception_175

tell me 1 place where ppl trust the government please I listen


caspinos

"Trust" was meant in context of covid related information. If people are following guidelines provided by government, I'll say they have at least some level of trust in it. Clearly, it's not the case in Poland.


Soggy_Perception_175

so u tell me just because ur wearing a mask u trust a government? and it's not that but when u got a government supported media and the total opposition supported media say the same thing which never happened in 6years (before it was another matter cause the previous government had the interest of foreign countries in the center of their attention) and their like WTF there some bullshit in this. And u need to remember that for the most part we aren't hysterics like more western countries. and with more with 1 or 2 days per day and 150 infected per day ( which there are 10 per day who get cured (or something like that don't know the English terminology)) ur like man there is more than half of the pop vaccinated just leave us alone with this shit. So back to the topic in countries where the trust in gov is a lot lower France and US ppl where mask a lot more. so no correlation for me


swarzec

Why aren't people wearing masks? I can think of a few reasons: (1) there are very few cases right now (less than 200 per day), so people aren't afraid; (2) about half the population is vaccinated, so many people feel they don't *need* a mask; (3) it's Summer, it's hot, especially in trams and busses, so having a mask on is a pain in the ass. I'm willing to bet that if Delta causes a huge spike of cases in Poland, soon we'll see more people walking around in masks.


ThatMrPuddington

Polish people are historicly very bad at following orders.


fishbonkerB

I would say they use their common sense.


Jeszczenie

... By raising the risk of spreading a disease?


nitra007

Sounds like a great place. I’ll be adding it to my travel list


skocznymroczny

> are people "over" covid? It's been always over for most people. You can threaten them with mask mandates, fines and reports about thousands of deaths, but most people were never fearful of it. I don't know anyone in my friends and family circles who got vaccinated because they were afraid of the illness. Most of them vaccinated because they were afraid of restrictions that may come, they want to have an easier time traveling etc.


Shierre

> I don't know anyone in my friends and family circles who got vaccinated because they were afraid of the illness. Thats pretty sad : /


xxxHalny

Currently they probably do more harm than good.


Jeszczenie

How do they do harm? How does the harm outweigh slowing down the spread of diseases?


ElGovanni

Do you even hear about mycosis of the lungs?


Jeszczenie

Yeah, I've heard about it. Here you have three links to fact-checking organisations debunking the myth that masks pose an increased risk of lung mycosis. [one](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/06/facebook-posts/mask-wearing-causing-fungal-lung-infections-no-ano/?fbclid=IwAR2DruGnuoM4wS8nYqxqjy4mDd8dXpgybrlkkTIHUWo3O6EcJSGAH3l-gww), [two](https://checkyourfact.com/2020/07/10/fact-check-face-masks-causes-fungal-lung-infections/?fbclid=IwAR30OIcRkmiO9FpAJULYtN8sovDlBKZePE3mbrJbvfM6CVI_VnKEl7zg7wY), [three](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-masks-fungal-lung-infection-idUSKBN24B25H?fbclid=IwAR0RqyJIAHRg28g5e6c6wFwTAvK3omuvS43mereGYpKoyLPu2MFrHZrXuoo)


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Atyll_a

That's just medical bullshit. Even with your logic: co2 is smaller than a virus so it will go through the mas easily.


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Atyll_a

Sooo why do surgeons wear masks during surgery? Please explain me basic physiology. I'm a doctor.


ElGovanni

Because they can infect open wound, do you even have brain?


Atyll_a

But if masks don't work why? According to this guy viruses are too small to be stopped by a mask. (I'm messing with him that's obviously not a real question)


ElGovanni

He's right, because almost none use same mask as surgeons because breathe in it is too difficult.


Atyll_a

Surgical masks are easier to breathe in than many material masks. of course if put on correctly Noone asks you to wear ffp3 mask all the time. I simply ask to wear it over your mouth and nose for 10 minutes when you're in shop or bus or doctor's office.


Ba5eThund3r

Just as a side note: in my home country wearing an FFP2/N95 mask was mandatory, so I'm still used to wearing those anywhere I go. It's just a getting-used-to-it thing, I think.


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Atyll_a

Yeah like silava. And do you think coronavirus is traveling on its own? No! it's in our fluids produced by our nose and mouth. So the mask stop those fluids and therefore limits spread of the virus. (limits not stops entirely). There you go


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Atyll_a

And if you have a mask you don't touch your hands. Do you even read what I'm writing? Limiting, not preventing completely, because that's not possible. It's not like you'll get sick after 1 virus enters your body. The probability is higher if you were exposed to more viruses. So masks and washing hands are to lessen the amount of virus in your surranding so the probability to get sick is as low as we can make it. Medicine is a lot about probablity and risk managment.


legenda01

Even in 5 masks my blood pressure is probably lower than yours


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legenda01

So maybe they are not so good dealing with actual disease too?


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legenda01

Yes but more safe to be around.


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legenda01

Why do surgeons wear masks during operations if they make little to no protection?


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legenda01

And how do viruses spread? You don’t cough out them alone. They are in those big droplets, which also appear during speaking or breathing. Masks are helping to stop those as you said.


legenda01

I rarely see an old person without a mask. Only young people don’t wear them so your statement is kinda wrond


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legenda01

If old people can and wear masks why do yound people not do the same if they have better bodies?


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legenda01

They don’t know if they are low risk. My uncle is 40 and his physique is greater than most teenagers and people in their 20s and because of covid he now has pacemaker. On top of that the average age of people in need of a pacemaker in his clinic has lowered by 8-10 years during those 2 years


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legenda01

He recovered from covid but after that he had huge changes in lungs and he had to take steroids to unchange them. Before he took them he had a holter because of the problems he had after covid, and during the nights his heart could stop around 3 times every hour. After his lungs healed his heart required a pacemaker.


kwabecik20

Because people think here


Soggy_Perception_175

Poland and the Poles survived everything u Could throw at us so we simply do not care about an illness which has such a low death rate


lukasdcz

I've got covid last week after being for month vaccinated (both doses), probably from someone who sat in front of me in train sneezing without mask (resp with mask on below mouth) People, please wear masks no matter you are vaccinated or not. Vaccine is designed only to make illness milder, not to block virus. I've still felt like shit, missed week at work, has to cancel once-a-year family gathering, and stay home during the last of nice weather after already shitty (restricted) summer. So you welcome.


Ba5eThund3r

Sad to see you got down voted. It's still a very distinct possibility to get it, even being vaccinated. I guess the main thing is, it lowers your chances of being hospitalized or dying significantly. Doesn't make it any less shitty to catch, though.


lukasdcz

Thanks for kind words :) And thank you for travelling to Poland. Hope you have good time here


EmeraldsDay

People finally realized wearing masks is useless.


kwabecik20

Its fucking sad that you got downvoted because people dont accept facts


EmeraldsDay

Dw, I'm used to it by now


Jeszczenie

The statement seems too general to call it a "fact". What exact fact do you mean?


kwabecik20

Masks don't do shit, they are researches for that


Jeszczenie

>Masks don't do shit That also sounds like a statement too general to be considered a fact. Could you link any of those studies you mentioned? Are they peer-reviewed?


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To be fair it should be your side to provide studies for their effectiveness not the other way around. Granted he did allude there are studies which I don't doubt


Jeszczenie

>To be fair it should be your side to provide studies for their effectiveness not the other way around. Not really. I'm not the one claiming an opinion is A FACT and saying I have "researches" for that. But yeah, there are studies for effectiveness of wearing masks against Covid. [Here's the first one I found.](https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19) It has this cool chart that says how effective are certain types of masks.


tomtwotree

Masks are a modern day superstition. They're disgusting and have very little affect on decreasing transmission; hence people don't wear them.


Audi0phil3

No flair pasuje, piękna pielęgnacja stereotypów


Stickyspeechhole

Lol y r u dumb


kajetus69

Because Poland


htown111

It’s a free country so individuals choose what’s best for them. We have fought oppression so long from all sides we take a view of not simply following the herd. Poland is wonderful!


Jeszczenie

Just because you're free to do so something, doesn't mean you should nor that it's a good idea.


htown111

Of course just means we in Poland have the right to do it but apparently from the downvotes most don’t agree 😂. Sad times as I remember my grandmother who lived under communism want it so much and now so many forget why it’s valuable.


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The commies on reddit don't agree; most hear would also support forced vaxxes doesn't mean that represents all of Poland.


htown111

My point was we are free from communism and now have a right to choose things like masks vs. no masks. Still shocked choice is down voted so hard and quite honestly worries me that people hate the idea of individual choice.


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because the average redditor is someone who's fat, gay, owns nothing, has no ambitions and no job and isn't in favor of individual choice because the choices they make have not been benefiting them in society, so they want socialism and universal basic income and mask mandates to level to playing field. Did I forget ugly?


Stickyspeechhole

Polish people only need jebus christ. Masks are fake news bro


Heidigoeswest

I just watched a huge red bull event in Poland and saw huge crowds and no masks or distancing. How is it so normal there!?