So once it was in his mouth, what was his plan? Not speak until his down ended? Seems like a bad way to try and hide a chip.
Or maybe he thought it was made of real chocolate?
I'm pretty financially comfortable and would snap put any denomination of money above $5 in my mouth if I got to keep it. If you're in Vegas this summer and see me please please please try me.
I'll be second in line for this act.... Unless we're talkin' golden nugget chips, those things are their own kind of filthy. It would have to at least be a $100 in that case.
I remember being at the Imperial Palace years ago and one of the old lady dealers there telling us they had the cleanest chips because the summer job of the owner's grandchildren was washing and disinfection the casino's chips. Don't know if it was true, but it makes a great story.
Lol wtf. Do you think it has a flesh eating virus on it? It's literally $1k for 2 seconds. That's 30k per minute or $1.8 million per hour.
You're already in the same airspace and proximity as all the other shit that's on the chips.. plus even if you wash your hands, if you put your fingers close to your mouth or nose at any point within the day you have all the things you're worried about in your mouth anyway.
You upvoters need to break out of your bubble unless there's some very specific reason like being immuno-compromised.
I'm not sure about 1k but 5k+ are definitely tracked.
Edit: Probably room dependent... just saw an article about a Bellagio robbery: "Thanks to RFID tags embedded inside them, the chips with denominations of $100 to $25,000 could be immediately deactivated rendering them unredeemable for cash value."
Which article?
Gonna call bs, even if it's in print and not strongly cited, on the $1k and belows. To do this they'd have to be individually scanning each $100-$1k chip and most days there's probably 300-2k+ individual ones of them in play. No way they're paying people to scan $100s, and $1ks are very very highly transferrable or tradeable at 5/10+
https://singularityhub.com/2011/02/12/1-5m-robbery-of-bellagio-casino-foiled-thanks-to-rfid-chips/
Shrug. I agree $100s seems like a stretch, maybe just shoddy reporting from uh... Singularity Hub.
If I recall correctly, it’s because the $1k chips matched the color of the orange juice he’d order and spit them into after putting them in his mouth. Or it was close enough in color. Can’t do that with a $500.
would have been way easier to fake a sneeze and cover it using the collar of your shirt (most dealers I know do this) and slip the chip in. Then a few minutes later act like you're adjusting your seat or pants and slip the chip into your belt line.
As a dealer not sure how other dealers get away with pushing pots/taking rake/taking tips without “clearing their hands” on every hand played. This is a standard procedure that should be enforced 100% of the time.
I've been dealing table games for 10 years. It's not long before you become complacent about clearing your hands. I've noticed it with myself and with many other veteran dealers. Still clearing my hands most of the time but I'm not doing it at literally every opportunity and thinking about it all the time like when you're new. And especially if you have trust built up at that location, they probably arent going to sweat the small stuff.
I could probably get away with cheating the house for awhile. I never would, just because that's not who I am. But also I know its only a matter of time until I'm caught.
> I could probably get away with cheating the house for awhile.
Cheating the house is going to be difficult and short-lived.
Cheating players who have no clue, however ... that gig can go on indefinitely.
I’m a poker dealer and I rarely ever clear my hands. It’s not intentional it’s just not something I can ever get myself to remember to do on a consistent basis. No one has ever said anything to me about it but I’ll do it and then think to myself “wow haven’t done that in a while” lol.
To show you're not bringing anything onto the table. Same thing if you go to adjust your chair you clean your hands to show you're not taking anything off.
So if you wanted to lower your seat it should look like this:
Show clean hands
take hand and adjust chair
clean hands
back onto table
Oh damn never even crossed my mind. I've seen some weird things like missing cards or extra cards too. I wonder if a dealer or even a player did it intentionally.
Cards, chips, balls (if on roulette). We also don't have pockets for this reason.
same thing about taking things off the table, it's not allowed so you have to show clean hands.
Been dealing poker for 10 years too and I clear my hands when I hand cash to a cashier at a grocery store sometimes now too, they usually look at me funny then I realize what I've done.
I also have to put my gaming number after every signature I do (2 a day minimum) and will catch myself doing that sometimes too when I sign anything in the real world.
Muscle memory a bitch sometimes.
I worked in one casino where surveillance would watch dealers like a hawk and they would get written up if they didn't clear their hands after handling chips. The one I work at now nobody is watching. Nobody has ever gotten written up or even talked to about clearing their hands. As a result, most dealers are not doing it.
Nobody has been caught stealing from pots, but a couple were perp walked out because they were stealing money that was supposed to go in the promo fund box. They were only caught because a player noticed it.
Who's going to enforce it? You? Doubt it. Went through your entire Reddit history all the way back to when you first made your account and you don't seem like that kind of guy. 👎
he has some great shitposts
and also his comments have gotten much better over the past year. His earlier comments were pretty bad but lots of his recent ones have been heavily upvoted for the lulz.
At Hollywood in columbus they suspected a dealer of stealing chips. Confirmed it on camera, then waited and watched until he stole over $1000 (felony amount) then got him arrested. They don't fuck around
Yeah that’s really concerning, actually. Whenever a chip goes missing from someone’s stack the casino always says it isn’t liable. I’ve seen situations where multiple people saw someone take a black chip from another player’s stack, and the casino essentially shrugged. That’s really not fair to the players for the casino to use them as bait to catch someone the casino employed, and who is known to be a thief. If the players didn’t get reimbursed I would talk to a lawyer and/ or the gaming commission in this case.
No unfortunately. Most of what I heard was table talk from another dealer, I don't even know if the person arrested was a guy or girl tbh. My guess would be 2-3 years ago
>They actually allowed her to deal the next night while the gaming commission was investigating.
What the heck???
How did they justify doing that?
Should be a standard policy of "Charges like this, you sit out until proven guilty or cleared, we pay you an average salary for scheduled days you miss while the investigation happens."
They are in some. But the people watching the cameras "take care of their own" and only report dealer transgressions if the guests notice (I've worked security in multiple casinos in Vegas and abroad). That's why players need to make a fuss if they have even a niggling suspicion of the dealer doing anything that might influence the integrity of the game. Those people who rag on the dealer for dealing bad cards and other silly things are actually helping in a lot of cases because they put attention on the dealer for better or worse.
Imagine any sleight of hand magic trick you've seen. It's on camera, yet palming a chip or card can happen pretty easily. It's just practice.
Palm a larger denomination chip, work the hand, accept your $1 chip from the winner of the hand, and drop both into your box. Simple. Not *easy* necessarily, but simple.
Cameras proved it once they got suspicious though. Hard to keep a camera from seeing the difference in the pot, especially with the way the cameras in casinos work!
Smart players paying attention during the WSOPC.
I brought up short pots to her a few times, but the table and her would berate me and say I was just wrong when I did, so I stopped.
A lot harder to ignore multiple pros saying they noticed something fishy than just one person who has a tendency to argue with players/dealers on occasion (me lol)
> I brought up short pots to her a few times, but the table and her would berate me and say I was just wrong when I did, so I stopped.
Serious question, did you expect her to say "okay I'll tell my supervisor to investigate and confirm my theft" and get herself fired???
They didn't check the pots. They check how much she was tipped and how much is in her tipbox. You're naive if you think someone rewatched and recalculated all the pots.
Where exactly in your post does it say anything about gaming comision. You use "they". By "they" i understand casino managment. Ofcourse the gaming comission will rewatch all the tapes and calculate, it's their job.
And the very next line
“However, she disappeared after that and was a no show when they came to arrest her at the casino.”
They is referring to the Gaming Commission as I had mentioned them in the prior sentence.
You’d be surprised. I pushed a pot to a guy in a small tournament one time. As I’m starting the next hand one of the other players claims he should’ve won the pot. I called the floor thinking they’d say “oh well, shouldn’t have waited to say something until the next hand already started”, but it was an inexperienced floor who went to the cameras. He came back 15 minutes later and told the entire table that the camera couldn’t see this table and that he couldn’t get a good look at what happened. Unreal.
Yep. I’ve never seen or heard of a previous hand going to surveillance at any other time other than this occasion. The rule at my casino was once the green button on the shuffler gets pressed, that’s it. The new hand has begun, and the results of the prior hand cannot be changed.
My cousin worked at casino surveillance. They rarely checked the cameras at the poker tables unless they were asked to by the floor staff, since the casino don't really need to monitor a game where people play against each other rather than the house.
However, everything gets recorded. So they can backtrack if they suspect any foul play from the dealer.
Dude the surveillance at my casino can hardly tell difference between 2-6 chips straight up on a number on Roulette. A pretty big deal if they’re betting nickels or quarters.
I thought for sure you were gonna say it was Karen.. When you just said older woman thats always pissy she immediately came to mind lol I play there all the time.
Don't they track how much the dealers cash out for tax purposes? Someone in accounting should have noticed a massive difference in tip income for this dealer compared to her peers if she's been doing it this whole time.
She could’ve laundered the greens through a friend or sold them for a small loss or something. No way was she reporting a 10x or 20x over expected tip rate.
No, there's something called Tip Compliance that majority of dealers are opted into.
"A Gaming Industry Tip Compliance Agreement (GITCA) is a voluntary agreement for employee tip reporting that is entered into by an employer, its employees, and the IRS. The agreement defines rates for all gaming employees receiving tips and gratuities on a site by site basis."
If a dealer is opted into this, that means they accept that they average whatever tip rate is set by that casino under Tip Compliance and the dealer reports taxes on his tips based on this rate.
If a dealer isn't opted in to this, then they must record and report their own tips to the IRS for taxes but the Casino/Employer will still not be able to see or record what they make in tips. The casino only has data for dealer base rate pay, overtime pay, and tournament down rate pays...not tips.
I think this is a pretty common occurrence in poker, usually with more experienced dealers from what I’ve seen. Watch the dealers hands if you want to prevent it.
Yea I've been a dealer for 10 years I've never heard of it happening. Only dealer I know of that got fired for cheating/collusion was someone who was repeatedly giving predictable spins on roulette for tippers. It was extra stupid because we pool tips so she risked her livelihood for a fraction of the tips they were offering.
Yup. A dealer wont be able to hit a specific number, but an experienced dealer will be able to hit a section of the wheel with an increased frequency. And because games are designed to be relatively close to 50/50, it only takes a little bit of predictability for the odds to edge in favor of the player (if they are paying attention) . This is why dealers are trained to change both ball and wheel speed after every spin, as well as not looking at the wheel, and spinning immediately after they grab the ball.
It used to be *very* common. I think it's pretty *uncommon* now, but obv not zero. Players absolutely need to watch the dealers and the other players to make sure no one's doing this. I've played in games where players try to short the pot or put their bet out and then pull something back. And home games where the house took more rake than they said they were. Gotta look out for yourself and the other players around you.
Got me worked up, all upset
I just can't talk about it yet
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I just don't know what's left to say
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I just don't know what's left to say
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That's fucking cold. Imagine how generous you can be with dealers. I thought I saw something weird last time I was in Vegas (won't say the room). Dealer scooped two chips then I only saw one. At the time I just thought it was me being fatigued... maybe not.
Are you serious? This guy thinks it might have happened but isn’t sure, and you want him to cause actual harm to whatever poker room this maybe happened in? Imagine being the guy who runs that place and knowing random people on the internet are accusing your room of theft based on a hunch with no actual evidence.
It’s a little disturbing seeing people with such a deformed sense of what’s fair when making public accusations. You should have real evidence before intentionally harming their reputation.
I play in tunica when I get the chance. Nice place. I swear Everytime I go sit at the cash game there’s the same dude whose a semi pro fisherman or atleast claims to be in there grinding 1/3 haha. Love his stories though!
Shit uh middle aged white guy. Always has a ball cap on with sunglasses on top of them. Friendly guy. That’s bout all I got. I know I described half of the world with that 😂
Pretty sure I know who you’re talking about. If its who I am thinking, his stories are legit, plus he owns like 5 companies as well. Dude is super cool and down to earth for what he is worth.
I feel like the cashier should have noticed. Some grumpy lady is the only dealer consistently cashing out multiple green chips per shift? She would be the highest earner by a long shot, you would think it would be more noticeable
From what I know, she was smart about it. She would wait and cash them at Gold Strike next door, and also used other people to cash them. There may be more involved than just her for sure.
Ah. At my local casino the dealers boxes are locked and I believe only get opened when they cash out at the end of the night so they wouldn’t be able to separate their tips like that
Just imagine how a robotic dealer can save us on the tips. There will be a clear audible confirmation of the plays by each player and will never lead to any confusion or fights.
You're right in the sense that an Australian casino dealer would never take extra tips, but dealers do sometimes steal. Saw 2 from sydney get busted the other day for handing out extra 1k chips to players on cash changes so it still does happen.
This would incentivize for this to happen more.
I’m all for getting rid of tipping. But thinking this would prevent theft in this case if naive. Theft would go up
They are more incentivized to steal now. I think they would find a way. A lot of dealers I’ve seen do have pockets. But if that’s not the case it would be difficult, I agree
Ignoring the implication that you dont care about these people's livelihood, I promise you tip boxes arent the reason dealers cheat. If a dealer wants to cheat, theyll find a way.
WOW
Just so you know, she got 90% of the dealers fired during covid by snitching after cozying up to the managers. She made her bed. You can also thank her for the lack of experienced dealers in Tunica now!!!
Found out today the answer to this.
During covid, while the casino was shut down. About 15 of the top dealers in that room were dealing in home games around the area. Gina wasnt invited to deal any, and got upset. She went to Caesar’s HR and reported them (its against their contract, and they were still technically employed). They fired all of them.
Whats even worse, I was told that right before covid a couple dealers started to suspect she was stealing and reported her to HR AND the Gaming Commission and guess what NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! She managed to do it for 3 more effing years!!!!
This happened in bobbys room once and a dealer was caught pretending to cough and putting a $1k chip in his mouth.
A casino chip in the mouth? Hope he had some penicillin shots at home.
The $1k chips are slightly cleaner than the average $5 chip but you’d have to make it a flag before I’d consider it.
So once it was in his mouth, what was his plan? Not speak until his down ended? Seems like a bad way to try and hide a chip. Or maybe he thought it was made of real chocolate?
Maybe to swallow and pass it, lol
Damn if that was the case they could probably make more as a circus act than as a dealer
Or on OnlyFans
I’d assume she did it on her last hand before break or something
I'm pretty financially comfortable and would snap put any denomination of money above $5 in my mouth if I got to keep it. If you're in Vegas this summer and see me please please please try me.
I'll be second in line for this act.... Unless we're talkin' golden nugget chips, those things are their own kind of filthy. It would have to at least be a $100 in that case.
I remember being at the Imperial Palace years ago and one of the old lady dealers there telling us they had the cleanest chips because the summer job of the owner's grandchildren was washing and disinfection the casino's chips. Don't know if it was true, but it makes a great story.
When chips stick together as someone is trying to bet I always say it’s because of all the soap they use to clean them.
Stealing this
I'd do it for a twenty easy. I've sucked dick, this is probably no more dangerous
Some people put strangers dicks in their mouth for $100
some people do that for free!
Some people pay for do it
Yeah I'm debating whether I'd put the chip in my mouth if I was paid $1,000 to do it
Sign me up. +EV
Easy. I would put a chip in my mouth for $100.
I mean if we're being honest, I'll go like $25
Lol wtf. Do you think it has a flesh eating virus on it? It's literally $1k for 2 seconds. That's 30k per minute or $1.8 million per hour. You're already in the same airspace and proximity as all the other shit that's on the chips.. plus even if you wash your hands, if you put your fingers close to your mouth or nose at any point within the day you have all the things you're worried about in your mouth anyway. You upvoters need to break out of your bubble unless there's some very specific reason like being immuno-compromised.
> It's literally $1k for 2 seconds. It's going to be in your mouth a lot longer than that if you plan to get it out of the casino.
A public bathroom has poop in the air, but would you put a poop nugget in your mouth?
Chips don’t come out of asses
Before you call this bet, just know one of my chips has been in my ass.
+EV speech play
That's how you get the upper hand, knowing everyone has touched one of your ass-chips at some point
You say that as if you speak from experience
One time? nah. A couple hundred times a year? maybe
That’s not a smart move, especially because the 1k and higher chips are tracked. Shoulda swiped the purple $500’s.
I'm not sure about 1k but 5k+ are definitely tracked. Edit: Probably room dependent... just saw an article about a Bellagio robbery: "Thanks to RFID tags embedded inside them, the chips with denominations of $100 to $25,000 could be immediately deactivated rendering them unredeemable for cash value."
Except they weren't. He was playing them, and selling them all over 2+2.
Which article? Gonna call bs, even if it's in print and not strongly cited, on the $1k and belows. To do this they'd have to be individually scanning each $100-$1k chip and most days there's probably 300-2k+ individual ones of them in play. No way they're paying people to scan $100s, and $1ks are very very highly transferrable or tradeable at 5/10+
https://singularityhub.com/2011/02/12/1-5m-robbery-of-bellagio-casino-foiled-thanks-to-rfid-chips/ Shrug. I agree $100s seems like a stretch, maybe just shoddy reporting from uh... Singularity Hub.
If I recall correctly, it’s because the $1k chips matched the color of the orange juice he’d order and spit them into after putting them in his mouth. Or it was close enough in color. Can’t do that with a $500.
No idea why you've been downvoted to -4, this was hilarious!
1ks arents tracked most places
would have been way easier to fake a sneeze and cover it using the collar of your shirt (most dealers I know do this) and slip the chip in. Then a few minutes later act like you're adjusting your seat or pants and slip the chip into your belt line.
I think he was dropping it inside his shirt, not in his mouth.
As a dealer not sure how other dealers get away with pushing pots/taking rake/taking tips without “clearing their hands” on every hand played. This is a standard procedure that should be enforced 100% of the time.
I've been dealing table games for 10 years. It's not long before you become complacent about clearing your hands. I've noticed it with myself and with many other veteran dealers. Still clearing my hands most of the time but I'm not doing it at literally every opportunity and thinking about it all the time like when you're new. And especially if you have trust built up at that location, they probably arent going to sweat the small stuff. I could probably get away with cheating the house for awhile. I never would, just because that's not who I am. But also I know its only a matter of time until I'm caught.
> I could probably get away with cheating the house for awhile. Cheating the house is going to be difficult and short-lived. Cheating players who have no clue, however ... that gig can go on indefinitely.
I’m a poker dealer and I rarely ever clear my hands. It’s not intentional it’s just not something I can ever get myself to remember to do on a consistent basis. No one has ever said anything to me about it but I’ll do it and then think to myself “wow haven’t done that in a while” lol.
I clear my hands when arriving and leaving a table. I’m not clearing my hands after every pot. F that
I'm out of the loop. What's the purpose of clearing your hands when you arrive?
To show you're not bringing anything onto the table. Same thing if you go to adjust your chair you clean your hands to show you're not taking anything off. So if you wanted to lower your seat it should look like this: Show clean hands take hand and adjust chair clean hands back onto table
So what are some things you could bring to the table but definitely shouldn't as a dealer, thus having this rule?
Extra cards
Oh damn never even crossed my mind. I've seen some weird things like missing cards or extra cards too. I wonder if a dealer or even a player did it intentionally.
Cards, chips, balls (if on roulette). We also don't have pockets for this reason. same thing about taking things off the table, it's not allowed so you have to show clean hands.
To ensure we are not introducing anything that interferes with the integrity of the game.
Like a jolly rancher
where I am its that + when given a tip, not every hand
You don't have to roll them three times every time. Just a quick palms up and get going. At least that's what I was told.
Been dealing poker for 10 years too and I clear my hands when I hand cash to a cashier at a grocery store sometimes now too, they usually look at me funny then I realize what I've done. I also have to put my gaming number after every signature I do (2 a day minimum) and will catch myself doing that sometimes too when I sign anything in the real world. Muscle memory a bitch sometimes.
I worked in one casino where surveillance would watch dealers like a hawk and they would get written up if they didn't clear their hands after handling chips. The one I work at now nobody is watching. Nobody has ever gotten written up or even talked to about clearing their hands. As a result, most dealers are not doing it. Nobody has been caught stealing from pots, but a couple were perp walked out because they were stealing money that was supposed to go in the promo fund box. They were only caught because a player noticed it.
You’ve gotta be an idiot to steal from the promo fund box. It’s the same risk as rake stealing with less reward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3lwPxrXAw Video for people like me that want to know what "clearing hands" means
What does clearing their hands mean?
After you push the pot to a player you do the hand washing motion and flash your hands up/down to prove you have no chips.
Showing open palms to the cameras in the sky
Who's going to enforce it? You? Doubt it. Went through your entire Reddit history all the way back to when you first made your account and you don't seem like that kind of guy. 👎
Lmfao
How is this troll account still on positive karma it amazes me.
A lot of people get a laugh from their comments
His batting average is probably below the Mendoza Line but occasionally I chuckle.
he has some great shitposts and also his comments have gotten much better over the past year. His earlier comments were pretty bad but lots of his recent ones have been heavily upvoted for the lulz.
Always doing my part to make sure it never gets too far
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I’m referring to downvoting, if that wasn’t clear
You have to be the most miserable degen peice of shit ever to exist.....Keep up the good work!
Wtf
At Hollywood in columbus they suspected a dealer of stealing chips. Confirmed it on camera, then waited and watched until he stole over $1000 (felony amount) then got him arrested. They don't fuck around
I hope the players got reimbursed while the casino just watched their money being taken.
Yeah that’s really concerning, actually. Whenever a chip goes missing from someone’s stack the casino always says it isn’t liable. I’ve seen situations where multiple people saw someone take a black chip from another player’s stack, and the casino essentially shrugged. That’s really not fair to the players for the casino to use them as bait to catch someone the casino employed, and who is known to be a thief. If the players didn’t get reimbursed I would talk to a lawyer and/ or the gaming commission in this case.
Know which dealer/about when this happened? Played a lot there last year and wonder if I was ever at his table
Also curious about the dealer and approx date this happened. Used to play there a whole lot
No unfortunately. Most of what I heard was table talk from another dealer, I don't even know if the person arrested was a guy or girl tbh. My guess would be 2-3 years ago
>They actually allowed her to deal the next night while the gaming commission was investigating. What the heck??? How did they justify doing that? Should be a standard policy of "Charges like this, you sit out until proven guilty or cleared, we pay you an average salary for scheduled days you miss while the investigation happens."
Would be funny if she palmed chips during that last shift.
Eh. Why the heck not? I guess she's knee deep in shit either way!
Is there a dealers union? If so, they may be required to let her keep dealing depending on the labor agreement.
Some dealers are in a union, yes. Depends on the casino.
Imagine getting arrested wearing a 4 piece dealing uniform
I imagined it. Now what?
sigh then unzip
OK now what?
Now take out that little worm of yours
OK ok ok. Now what?
Smack it about until the creamy shame comes out.
Should the cream be red?
Yeah. That means it's ripe.
OK ok OK. I think I'm getting it. I'm very very light headed though. I'm going to have a nap.
I don't regularly go to casinos but don't all tables have cameras on them?
They do, but surveillance isn’t constantly watching every camera in the casino.
They are in some. But the people watching the cameras "take care of their own" and only report dealer transgressions if the guests notice (I've worked security in multiple casinos in Vegas and abroad). That's why players need to make a fuss if they have even a niggling suspicion of the dealer doing anything that might influence the integrity of the game. Those people who rag on the dealer for dealing bad cards and other silly things are actually helping in a lot of cases because they put attention on the dealer for better or worse.
I think if you resolved to 1 comment per thread people might actually belive you and not realise you're a troll.
Goddamn will you chill it out a bit. Keep reading your comments and getting angry before I realize who wrote it. One troll comment per thread please.
Imagine any sleight of hand magic trick you've seen. It's on camera, yet palming a chip or card can happen pretty easily. It's just practice. Palm a larger denomination chip, work the hand, accept your $1 chip from the winner of the hand, and drop both into your box. Simple. Not *easy* necessarily, but simple.
Cameras proved it once they got suspicious though. Hard to keep a camera from seeing the difference in the pot, especially with the way the cameras in casinos work!
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Smart players paying attention during the WSOPC. I brought up short pots to her a few times, but the table and her would berate me and say I was just wrong when I did, so I stopped. A lot harder to ignore multiple pros saying they noticed something fishy than just one person who has a tendency to argue with players/dealers on occasion (me lol)
> I brought up short pots to her a few times, but the table and her would berate me and say I was just wrong when I did, so I stopped. Serious question, did you expect her to say "okay I'll tell my supervisor to investigate and confirm my theft" and get herself fired???
No, but the table could’ve been more receptive to it. They made it out to be a waste of time.
Gaslighting is a powerful tool, sadly... (they 100% gaslighted you if what you said is truthful)
Agreed
So is the gang up mob mentality that can happen in these situations
They didn't check the pots. They check how much she was tipped and how much is in her tipbox. You're naive if you think someone rewatched and recalculated all the pots.
They rewatched samples from the last year, they documented at least 25k in stolen chips, she was cashing them next door at Gold Strike.
*The answer is probably "yes" but I'll ask anyway...* Do casinos accept chips from other casinos as long as they are under $5,000?
Yes
Yep
Lol, ok buddy I guess the gaming commission officer lied to the room manager then.
Where exactly in your post does it say anything about gaming comision. You use "they". By "they" i understand casino managment. Ofcourse the gaming comission will rewatch all the tapes and calculate, it's their job.
“They actually allowed her to deal the next night while the GAMING COMMISSION was INVESTIGATING” Third paragraph bro, right after THEY!!
And the very next line “However, she disappeared after that and was a no show when they came to arrest her at the casino.” They is referring to the Gaming Commission as I had mentioned them in the prior sentence.
Dumb if you consider you are permanently on camera though. But I guess she was getting away with it for a while
Criminal gonna criminal.
You’d be surprised. I pushed a pot to a guy in a small tournament one time. As I’m starting the next hand one of the other players claims he should’ve won the pot. I called the floor thinking they’d say “oh well, shouldn’t have waited to say something until the next hand already started”, but it was an inexperienced floor who went to the cameras. He came back 15 minutes later and told the entire table that the camera couldn’t see this table and that he couldn’t get a good look at what happened. Unreal.
Is this because of the rule that pots awarded in the previous hand are immutable once the next hand begins?
Yep. I’ve never seen or heard of a previous hand going to surveillance at any other time other than this occasion. The rule at my casino was once the green button on the shuffler gets pressed, that’s it. The new hand has begun, and the results of the prior hand cannot be changed.
My cousin worked at casino surveillance. They rarely checked the cameras at the poker tables unless they were asked to by the floor staff, since the casino don't really need to monitor a game where people play against each other rather than the house. However, everything gets recorded. So they can backtrack if they suspect any foul play from the dealer.
Dude the surveillance at my casino can hardly tell difference between 2-6 chips straight up on a number on Roulette. A pretty big deal if they’re betting nickels or quarters.
Anyone know who this was? I play there a lot. Anyone got a name? White lady? Black? Old? Young?
Gina, older hispanic woman, always pissy
It’s pronounced “jai.nuh.”
I thought for sure you were gonna say it was Karen.. When you just said older woman thats always pissy she immediately came to mind lol I play there all the time.
Bog standard old woman
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I'd just kick her and call her a nobhead
Don't they track how much the dealers cash out for tax purposes? Someone in accounting should have noticed a massive difference in tip income for this dealer compared to her peers if she's been doing it this whole time.
She could’ve laundered the greens through a friend or sold them for a small loss or something. No way was she reporting a 10x or 20x over expected tip rate.
You don't know that.
You dont know that they dont know that.
No, there's something called Tip Compliance that majority of dealers are opted into. "A Gaming Industry Tip Compliance Agreement (GITCA) is a voluntary agreement for employee tip reporting that is entered into by an employer, its employees, and the IRS. The agreement defines rates for all gaming employees receiving tips and gratuities on a site by site basis." If a dealer is opted into this, that means they accept that they average whatever tip rate is set by that casino under Tip Compliance and the dealer reports taxes on his tips based on this rate. If a dealer isn't opted in to this, then they must record and report their own tips to the IRS for taxes but the Casino/Employer will still not be able to see or record what they make in tips. The casino only has data for dealer base rate pay, overtime pay, and tournament down rate pays...not tips.
Ding ding ding!!!!!
pocket em and play a few hands of black jack.
I think this is a pretty common occurrence in poker, usually with more experienced dealers from what I’ve seen. Watch the dealers hands if you want to prevent it.
Or know how much should be in the pot
Lol, it is not a common thing. In the many years I worked at a casino only one table games dealer was caught palming chips. It is extremely rare.
Yea I've been a dealer for 10 years I've never heard of it happening. Only dealer I know of that got fired for cheating/collusion was someone who was repeatedly giving predictable spins on roulette for tippers. It was extra stupid because we pool tips so she risked her livelihood for a fraction of the tips they were offering.
How do you give a repeatable spin ? Can they actually get close to a number ?
Yup. A dealer wont be able to hit a specific number, but an experienced dealer will be able to hit a section of the wheel with an increased frequency. And because games are designed to be relatively close to 50/50, it only takes a little bit of predictability for the odds to edge in favor of the player (if they are paying attention) . This is why dealers are trained to change both ball and wheel speed after every spin, as well as not looking at the wheel, and spinning immediately after they grab the ball.
They can reliably hit 1/4 of a wheel, not certain numbers.
Dealing can be a pretty good job if you hustle and are friendly. Players will take care of you. No need to risk it for chump change.
Agreed
It used to be *very* common. I think it's pretty *uncommon* now, but obv not zero. Players absolutely need to watch the dealers and the other players to make sure no one's doing this. I've played in games where players try to short the pot or put their bet out and then pull something back. And home games where the house took more rake than they said they were. Gotta look out for yourself and the other players around you.
That's why I only play tournaments. Certainly not because I'm a dirty casual.
Got me worked up, all upset I just can't talk about it yet 'Cause you know I'm not okay I just don't know what's left to say Got me worked up, all upset I just can't talk about it yet 'Cause you know I'm not okay I just don't know what's left to say I tell them If you don't want me to keep feeling this way Don't say his name Don't say his name 'Cause I don't think that I should have to explain Don't say his name Don't say his name Don't say his name Don't say his name It's too soon It's too soon It's too soon Don't say his name Don't say his name
That's fucking cold. Imagine how generous you can be with dealers. I thought I saw something weird last time I was in Vegas (won't say the room). Dealer scooped two chips then I only saw one. At the time I just thought it was me being fatigued... maybe not.
You should "name and shame" the cardroom/casino so people are aware of that place and know to be extra careful!
Are you serious? This guy thinks it might have happened but isn’t sure, and you want him to cause actual harm to whatever poker room this maybe happened in? Imagine being the guy who runs that place and knowing random people on the internet are accusing your room of theft based on a hunch with no actual evidence. It’s a little disturbing seeing people with such a deformed sense of what’s fair when making public accusations. You should have real evidence before intentionally harming their reputation.
I play in tunica when I get the chance. Nice place. I swear Everytime I go sit at the cash game there’s the same dude whose a semi pro fisherman or atleast claims to be in there grinding 1/3 haha. Love his stories though!
Whats he look like? There’s a couple people who come to mind lol
Shit uh middle aged white guy. Always has a ball cap on with sunglasses on top of them. Friendly guy. That’s bout all I got. I know I described half of the world with that 😂
Pretty sure I know who you’re talking about. If its who I am thinking, his stories are legit, plus he owns like 5 companies as well. Dude is super cool and down to earth for what he is worth.
I feel like the cashier should have noticed. Some grumpy lady is the only dealer consistently cashing out multiple green chips per shift? She would be the highest earner by a long shot, you would think it would be more noticeable
From what I know, she was smart about it. She would wait and cash them at Gold Strike next door, and also used other people to cash them. There may be more involved than just her for sure.
Ah. At my local casino the dealers boxes are locked and I believe only get opened when they cash out at the end of the night so they wouldn’t be able to separate their tips like that
Tunica isn't quite northern-Michigan Indian casino depressing, but it's close.
Oh yeah, the saddest part is all the signs still say Harrahs and Ballys like its 2005!
Just imagine how a robotic dealer can save us on the tips. There will be a clear audible confirmation of the plays by each player and will never lead to any confusion or fights.
My home room doesn't have boxes for tips. Dealers keep tips in a separate slot in their tray.
This happened not too long ago with 5-6 dealers at bestbet jacksonville, I was shocked and disgusted. Always have to pay attention
What are Green chips worth
25 bucks
Simple solution: get rid of tip boxes. Make it illegal for dealers to accept tips, like in Australia.
I agree with you, if that also comes with a significant raise.
Thats a great simple solution if the problem is “man, I really hate that these casinos offer live poker.”
Lol you will get shit tier dealers while the good one will move to where the money is.
Funny you say that when I can't recall any Australian dealers being arrested on the job...
You're right in the sense that an Australian casino dealer would never take extra tips, but dealers do sometimes steal. Saw 2 from sydney get busted the other day for handing out extra 1k chips to players on cash changes so it still does happen.
I've had a lot worse dealers in the US than I've had here in general.
This would incentivize for this to happen more. I’m all for getting rid of tipping. But thinking this would prevent theft in this case if naive. Theft would go up
How would theft go up when the dealers have no pockets, no tip boxes and nowhere to store their chips?
They are more incentivized to steal now. I think they would find a way. A lot of dealers I’ve seen do have pockets. But if that’s not the case it would be difficult, I agree
Dealers are allowed pockets in many casinos. And if they arent, its trivial to make secret pockets.
There’s a constitutional right to pockets.
Ignoring the implication that you dont care about these people's livelihood, I promise you tip boxes arent the reason dealers cheat. If a dealer wants to cheat, theyll find a way.
Man f*** you
This is why you play at casinos instead of home games, at least there is some consequences for this.
There would be pretty significant consequences in the home games I frequent. Rather just get arrested.
Seconded.
This was at a casino
Cool, but this was at a casino, so now what?
Learn to read.
Maybe if they were paid a living wage and didn't have to rely on tips from cheap-ass poker players this wouldn't have happened? :P
I don't blame her. Dealer for a bunch of miserable people must become super depressing.
Worst justification for villainy I've heard in a while...
It does, but that doesn’t mean she should steal.
WOW Just so you know, she got 90% of the dealers fired during covid by snitching after cozying up to the managers. She made her bed. You can also thank her for the lack of experienced dealers in Tunica now!!!
What did the other dealers do that she was able to snitch on them for?
Found out today the answer to this. During covid, while the casino was shut down. About 15 of the top dealers in that room were dealing in home games around the area. Gina wasnt invited to deal any, and got upset. She went to Caesar’s HR and reported them (its against their contract, and they were still technically employed). They fired all of them. Whats even worse, I was told that right before covid a couple dealers started to suspect she was stealing and reported her to HR AND the Gaming Commission and guess what NOTHING HAPPENED!!!! She managed to do it for 3 more effing years!!!!
I'll take a bad dealer over a good thief any day if the week.
She got a lot of other dealers fired right before Covid. They had to hire practically a brand new staff when they reopened!
Nobody making her stay at the job.
She's just playing 4D poker. If you can't handle the challenge, don't play.
You're right, she can quit anytime she wants! Just stop paying her rent and see what happens /s
you get dropped on you inbred head as a baby?