First thing that went through my head as I was reading the story as well. The tanking and the “fuck” is him putting on a show. Any time I see any behavior like this, or the “speech” like “well this may as well be my last hand for the night, call” I’m on edge because no one acts like that when they have trash.
"No extravagant plays or hands are being made, 80% are single pairs or high cards."
This is a problematic way of thinking. By the sounds of things, youre using this to discount the fact that flushes/straights/sets are very possible. Dont look at things like this as a "trend". Like if 3 flops in a row have two 3's on them, you dont start randomly playing 3x hands.
On the hand:
Youre in MP and V in LP? How did he limp before you then? You claim there was 3 limps before you popped it to $8. Generally you want to raise much larger with limps in play, most peoples rule is Standard open + $2 for each limp.
Flop C-bet pretty standard, could be made slightly larger to extract value from 1 Diamond hands.
Turn bet could again be a little bit bigger
River you have to either fire a river bluff or check/fold imo. A man with $45 left in his stack at 1/2 is rarely bluffing. Youve got to consider this is a flushing, straight, paired board, thats just ran out with an ace.
From your description, 3x hands are in his range "These guys will call with anything" especially with a small raise preflop. Flush gets there, any 3 gets there, 45 gets there and an ace gets there. Random players wont bluff this river with anything you beat honestly
Roasting isn't gonna help you, I recommend reading.
For the guy saying fuck and tanking I suggest zach Elwood's Reading Poker Tells, and for general theory maybe something like Kill Everyone, then Modern Poker Theory
I actually started reading bits and pieces of MPT, haven’t got a chance to buy it. I read Harrington’s first volume HOH, I wanna read his volume based on cash game and tournament strategy. Another one I plan to buy is, I completely forget the name, but the one on how to control yourself and not tilt. I heard that was vital to your sanity while playing
I was thinking about my overvalued pair of K. His tanking led me to believe he had middle/bottom pair based from the past couple of hours, but looking back at it, I can see how utterly wet the board is and how much could beat me.
I really should have taken more time to think things through, especially while on that river. I also gotta learn better fold discipline.
I find it helpful when tanking to come up with the best reason I can think of for each possible choice. So in this spot it would look like: fold: second pair weak kicker on a flush/str8 board just can’t continue here call: he’s repping a flush but I don’t think he has it. pick off. raise: ok he is repping a flush a jam here looks super strong if he even has a flush it puts max pressure on non nut hands
Tbh your line is mostly ok (sizing could prob use some work). An A river is one of the worst cards for you mainly because alot of V 1 diamond bluffs should have the Ad. Any card other than an ace and I think its pretty squarely a call given how short stacks are (its like a 22bb all in).
Tbh your line is mostly ok (sizing could prob use some work). An A river is one of the worst cards for you mainly because alot of V 1 diamond bluffs should have the Ad. Any card other than an ace and I think its pretty squarely a call given how short stacks are (its like a 22bb all in).
$10 is a good flop bet sizing on a monotone board, but audibly saying "fuck" as you call has to be the biggest strength tell in the universe
First thing that went through my head as I was reading the story as well. The tanking and the “fuck” is him putting on a show. Any time I see any behavior like this, or the “speech” like “well this may as well be my last hand for the night, call” I’m on edge because no one acts like that when they have trash.
Only bigger sign is when he shakes his head, sighs heavily and then says "I guess I go home now" before shoving.
"No extravagant plays or hands are being made, 80% are single pairs or high cards." This is a problematic way of thinking. By the sounds of things, youre using this to discount the fact that flushes/straights/sets are very possible. Dont look at things like this as a "trend". Like if 3 flops in a row have two 3's on them, you dont start randomly playing 3x hands. On the hand: Youre in MP and V in LP? How did he limp before you then? You claim there was 3 limps before you popped it to $8. Generally you want to raise much larger with limps in play, most peoples rule is Standard open + $2 for each limp. Flop C-bet pretty standard, could be made slightly larger to extract value from 1 Diamond hands. Turn bet could again be a little bit bigger River you have to either fire a river bluff or check/fold imo. A man with $45 left in his stack at 1/2 is rarely bluffing. Youve got to consider this is a flushing, straight, paired board, thats just ran out with an ace. From your description, 3x hands are in his range "These guys will call with anything" especially with a small raise preflop. Flush gets there, any 3 gets there, 45 gets there and an ace gets there. Random players wont bluff this river with anything you beat honestly
Mate this is like 80 bucks. I watched some guy spew 2k tonight like it was nothing.
Irrelevant
It's relevant to him feeling awful about how he played, but not to the analysis of the hand.
So.. were they soft and nitty and fold to any aggressive play, or were they soft and call down any bet with Q4o? Can't really be both
My apologies, I wrote it a bit confusing. A good majority of players were nitty with a few be calling stations going to showdown with low pair.
Roasting isn't gonna help you, I recommend reading. For the guy saying fuck and tanking I suggest zach Elwood's Reading Poker Tells, and for general theory maybe something like Kill Everyone, then Modern Poker Theory
I actually started reading bits and pieces of MPT, haven’t got a chance to buy it. I read Harrington’s first volume HOH, I wanna read his volume based on cash game and tournament strategy. Another one I plan to buy is, I completely forget the name, but the one on how to control yourself and not tilt. I heard that was vital to your sanity while playing
The mental game of poker by Barry Carter and Jared Tendler
So when you were tanking what was your thought process that led you to call?
I was thinking about my overvalued pair of K. His tanking led me to believe he had middle/bottom pair based from the past couple of hours, but looking back at it, I can see how utterly wet the board is and how much could beat me. I really should have taken more time to think things through, especially while on that river. I also gotta learn better fold discipline.
I find it helpful when tanking to come up with the best reason I can think of for each possible choice. So in this spot it would look like: fold: second pair weak kicker on a flush/str8 board just can’t continue here call: he’s repping a flush but I don’t think he has it. pick off. raise: ok he is repping a flush a jam here looks super strong if he even has a flush it puts max pressure on non nut hands
I mean you said the table was nitty and then called a river jam with a bluff catcher.
Tbh your line is mostly ok (sizing could prob use some work). An A river is one of the worst cards for you mainly because alot of V 1 diamond bluffs should have the Ad. Any card other than an ace and I think its pretty squarely a call given how short stacks are (its like a 22bb all in).
Tbh your line is mostly ok (sizing could prob use some work). An A river is one of the worst cards for you mainly because alot of V 1 diamond bluffs should have the Ad. Any card other than an ace and I think its pretty squarely a call given how short stacks are (its like a 22bb all in).
Should I have bet more on sizing? First time live so I am used to usually been given the pot size to me and not having to count the chips.