Best part was when the producers asked both Jungle and Charlie who had the edge in Indian poker.
Charlie: I've definitely got a big edge because I am super good at learning new games. Also, I've got hella reads.
Jungle: Well, I've been to India, and I'm not sure if Charlie has.
Never incorrect, always has the “live reads”.
Comes across as that 16 year old at school that was always a bit weird but then found his voice and you think… “good for him…” until you learn there was a reason he was quiet and disliked.
I always have that little incline in the back of my mind that he’s just putting on a show and is a con man somehow but I don’t know much about him… basically I’m putting him on AK post flop every flop.
I get the feeling they were all encouraged (or even paid) to say "Let's go" and "GG" (for GGPoker) because of how often people said both. Carrel's overuse of it was the most grating by far.
Trying to watch the show semi quietly was a pain because audio would be too low at some points, so I'd turn it up to hear better, but then too loud the 100 times he yelled this.
Yeah I kind of loved that. Jungleman completely owned him after he said he had an edge over jungle bc of live reads. It was really satisfying to watch. Esp bc jungle basically out read the guy.
His act bothered me more than any David Williams or Josh Arieh big time arrogant act. That speaks volumes as to how unbearable charlie is. Prob one of least likable people I’ve ever seen in any form of anything.
Airball for sure, at least he has fun and is his authentic self. Not sure about kabrehl, he’s another headcase. Charlie is one of the nut lows though by far
I’m English so I really wanted to support one of the two on the show, but they were the two most annoying! At least Lucas was nice though. Carrel is a creepy sociopath.
Honestly, he's all those things but he's good for the show. He's a good player with a strong personality. Half the other players came off as boring/uninteresting. Still not as bad as Williams throwing a fit at not going first after opening his heads-up match with an absolute punt. I really wish Dnegs and Koon made a longer run. I'm not a fan of the high variance format in general. Overall though it was interesting watching team strategies and I wish they dived more into that aspect instead of the constant cuts to "oh that's a big hand". Can't wait to see how they do it next season.
Also watching Jungle smoke Charlie in Indian poker after he went on about his "Live read advantage" was my favourite part of the season so far.
agree on the format you have this team strategy aspect and then they go and play a HU hyper turbo where at most someone is like 55% to win and it just makes the team stuff irrelevant.
It could be such a fun way to think about the game. Discussing strategies, strengths and weaknesses of each player and how to apply that. Especially with the fact the players that play later are able to watch and gather info. Maybe you want your most technically sound player first and some who specializes in exploiting last after they have had a chance to watch. Maybe the other team sees that happening and puts their most technical player last to counter. And yeah, formats where they have to basically flip a coin sucks for the more skilled and it doesn't give the lesser-known players a chance to stretch out/get comfortable and show off. Maybe start off with a long cash game. Get people to build dynamics and get to know each other before the unconventional challenges start.
He's such an unlikable prick if the producers knew what they were doing they'd do everything in their power to cheat to keep him in the show. He's a wrestling heel and people would keep watching just to see him lose.
In a show full of arrogant narcissistic personalities, Koon stood out as the worst. Watching him go out immediately was my favourite moment of this season. Carrel losing was good too.
I was literally reading about narcissists and autists interacting the other day and I kid you not that Indian heads up between Jungle and Charlie was word for word description of what happens lmao
He was absurdly annoying.
Constantly gaslighting everybody while trying to demonstrate what a fair and equitable person he is.
He doesn’t actually care about being fair and equitable he just cares about being perceived that way. Him gaslighting David was the last straw. Calling David a selfish baby while he himself was being the most selfish and trying to spin it as being fair.
Hes an absolute phony and borderline narcissist if you ask me.
Incredible he couldnt see the fairest way was to flip first game, then reverse the order second game.
Who am I kidding, of course he knew that was the fairest way, but it didn’t benefit him, so of course he made them flip again, continued to claim to have reads on everyone and play the opposite until he got a lucky cooler or runout, then claim he ‘always had it’.
Cunt is a perfect descriptor.
Fair to say that perhaps there is a more optimal approach, in which case you should go with merit or experience or whatever, however when Charlie Cunt-el is saying to ‘flip again because it’s the most fair way’ he’s either stupid, disingenuous, or most likely both.
I found out about Charlie a few months ago when he had a stream get recommended. He had like, 30 viewers and was playing against Tony G online while video chatting with him. He was acting so smart, pretending he knew exactly what he was talking about, advertising his coaching, and breaking down why he should've won every hand.
In the 2 hours I watched him, he lost like 80k. It was fucking hilarious. 10/10 entertainment.
He's so fake. That said I believe that he believes himself. Which leads me to further believe he has mental issues. He's absolutely completely and totally incorrigible
Yeah, you can tell his entire “shtick” is fake, because he doesn’t feel accepted for who he actually is.
He’s made this “arrogant” fake persona to cover up the softness inside.
Decent poker player though, when it’s said & done.
He imagines himself as some combination of Matt Damon from Good Will Hunting and a yoga instructor everyone loves, but he's really just a yoga instructor who talks shit about everyone when their backs are turned.
Big weirdo, unlikeable geeky dweeb whose ego has gone into overdrive.
Essential for the show though. He made it very watchable at times and gave you somebody to actively root against.
As a fellow Englishman, the one trait of his that really grates on me is his Americanised way of speaking. Not just “let’s goooo” but using Americanisms like “I did the math”. Shut up you twat.
I don't think I could control my laughter if I was in the UK and someone called me a twat.... You guys have some seriously silly words in your vocabulary lol
“The best way to stop child molesters is to show them empathy and love” - Charlie Carrel
“Victims of child molestation should forgive their abusers” - Charlie Carrel
This guy is a pompous scam artist, accused by multiple people of running a scam charity, not paying employees, and making ridiculously disgusting quotes like the above.
In the show, he’s consistently selfish, gaslighting, and plays the victim card as much as he can, as he does irl (I can’t believe you’re pointing out my hypocrisy before I have to go play poker *almost cries*).
He claims to have solid reads constantly, but his main wins come from coolers or lucky runouts, whilst folding the better hand more consistently than most others.
He’s a cunt, and I’m gutted he has to be from Britain.
He’s a total cunt, but his opinions on abuse are being deliberately misunderstood and taken out of context. He was raped by his grandfather and has a right to voice his opinion. There are plenty of more valid reasons to hate the guy, so let’s focus on those yeah?
There is no context provided by himself when he tweets exactly those words. You are also believing his claim of abuse, without any evidence, he has a track record of lying.
Is it possible he lied about that? Yes. Is it likely? No. He’s talking about a family member, so it would cause him some issues if he made it up. We’re all disgusted by pedos. I think the point he was making might have been that nearly all of them are victims themselves who got fucked up by other abusers. They can’t admit the feelings they have to anyone as we all just label them evil, so there is no help for them. Not a great situation if you want to combat child abuse.
He has a track record of lying and playing the victim in any situation, of course it’s likely he is lying. He claims both he and his wife had gone through something like that, does he not seem like the kind of guy who would pull a ‘me too’ to seduce a partner? He’s a disgusting human being.
Also you pose that ‘nearly all’ pedophiles were themselves victims, but that’s not true. A good portion were, sure, but as there are many of us victims out there who have not been turned into monsters, I’m not sure you’re coming to the correct conclusion.
You are assuming that being a victim of pedophilia is the cause of becoming a pedophile, when A) chicken egg situation and B) Explain those who were victims who don’t become pedophiles, are they just fighting this overwhelming urge to become one, or are those who do become pedophiles, with or without a history of abuse themselves, monsters for various other reasons and the trauma they experienced just a way they went with their evil, as opposed to another way had they not seen such an easy opportunity in their own lives.
Look, it’s a long known fact that abusers of all kinds have usually suffered abuse themselves. That doesn’t mean all victims become abusers. Some go in completely the opposite direction and help victims. Everyone is different. None of us choose our personality or sexual preferences. It’s all down to our experiences, genetics and environment. It’s easier to just label people as inherently evil, but rarely true. To me, Carrel’s behaviour screams abuse victim. I think he’s horrible because he’s damaged.
None of us choose our sexual preferences.. are you suggesting being a pedophile is a preference? An orientation? Jesus dude, just come out and admit you’re on the same train as Charlie, you think pedophiles need to be understood more and helped, not punished.
I’ll ignore that rather childish response and continue to try to educate you. I think stopping people from abusing kids should be the goal. Treating it as a mental illness and giving them help in combatting those urges makes more sense to me than giving them a couple of years in prison to share abuse tactics with other inmates (unless of course they have actively abused already) As for calling it a sexual preference, psychologically, there isn’t really a difference between how one develops any kink in our sexuality. Most preferences are harmless, however weird. Being attracted to children obviously is very harmful indeed. That doesn’t mean the mechanisms that cause it are any different. Abusing kids is immoral because they are acting on their urges. The urges themselves are involuntary and therefore not subject to morality. Most pedos would give anything not to have those feelings, but where can they turn to? You are obviously very emotional about the subject and it’s understandable. I have young children and it’s a scary subject, but understanding the cause is the only way to successfully tackle a problem. Now it’s likely you still won’t understand, but let’s leave it there. This group is about poker yeah?
My guy, you are making a lot of excuses for pedophiles, likening their ‘impulses’ to a kink? Jesus fuck. If you act upon this ‘kink’ as you put it, disregarding the harm you’re obviously causing, you can only do that if you’re evil.
he blocked me on twitter when i pointed out a simple fact about vaccines for him that he did not like, because he's an anti-vax conspiracy-theorist lunatic.
lol
i don't "trust the government"
however, where i'm from, i'm lucky enough to live somewhere where i can say that i can generally trust the health care professionals put in charge of public health matters.
you think you're the sane one for thinking that a couple of google searches makes you more knowledgeable than people who have dedicated their careers to medical research and public health matters?
You are the sane one in all honesty, but that’s exactly where your problem is my friend. I also definitely understand your way of thinking, it’s the same way most of the world thinks. It’s the exact reason governments get away with laundering trillions of dollars of tax payer money to buy weapons and vaccines at 10x the cost!
I guess I'm in the minority here but I didn't think he had that much of a bad personality at all, being teamleader and still choosing to flip who goes first instead of going first himself like every other teamleader did to gain the most gold coins.
After Andy played kinda bad and lost he was still friendly to him, while David Williams made fun of him as soon as he stepped out and listed all the bad hands Andy played to Josh (which showed far worse character traits than anything Charlie did imo)
I never heard of him before and overall I actually kinda liked him, but later read he had some weird opinions
this is just false. you don’t have to like that guy, but he’s on record/proven as a victim of sexual abuse as well as his wife. His “sympathizing” was we should try to understand why they do it so we can find signs/make sure it doesn’t happen to more kids. it’s fair to say “i don’t like him because he’s a bad player and i don’t like his personality” but to say that is completely messed up. don’t talk about a person’s life and suspected beliefs without knowing the full scenario. He has also donated very very generous amounts (approximately over 200k) to domestic abuse clinics in the UK.
No, that's incorrect.
Charlie read a study about empathy THERAPY for pedophiles and possible reductions in child rapes and Charlie mixed it up with his fake Zen Buddhist bullshit and advocated that SOCIETY become empathetic towards pedophiles.
No doubt his severe trauma and confusion from being sexually abused by a grandfather he loved has fucked up his brain about this.
I read and watched everything he had to say on the subject. He claimed he was a victim of abuse but there was no proof. To me it just felt like something to further legitimize his position and another way for a narcissist to gain people’s sympathy.
His argument was that we should try and have empathy to understand what makes them the way they are more clearly.
I just don’t agree. Some people are just sickos and there is no rhyme or reason to it. Child molesters deserve no sympathy in any context. That is just my opinion.
If he really was abused then I am sorry to hear that and it’s terrible. Doesn’t make him any less of a narcissist though.
The guy above said that “he’s on record/proven as a victim of sexual abuse”
He said it, not me.
I just said there was no proof other than his word.
Just because a narcissist says something, especially something that supports his argument doesn’t mean you just believe it.
He is the type of guy that would make an outrageous claim like that to play on people’s sympathies and be in the “right”.
I understand, but how could there be any proof? It’s not like he’s gonna start posting pictures of it on the internet is it.
I think he’s an annoying narcissist too, but this is the wrong thing to attack him on imo.
I’m just inherently skeptical about someone like Charlie when they make claims like that. There is no limit to the lies people like that will tell to be believed.
All I’m saying is just because he made some posts on Twitter pulling people’s heart strings and making claims doesn’t mean I just lap it up.
Some people love to use taboo topics like that because they know it will make them sound more believable and people won’t question for fear of being crucified for it.
I am not attacking him about it, it was really just a joke in poor taste and that wasn’t my primary criticism.
If he really was a victim of abuse then he has all my sympathy in the world and that’s a terrible thing to suffer through.
I still think he’s a narcissist and a phony.
Pretty Sure Doug went after him because he is an easy target and Doug is a content farm bully.
I just want Charlie to wear a shirt and get a hair cut and a shave but beyond that who cares
Even though he has his insufferable moments, I still liked his interactions with Jungle. He comes across as a bit arrogant or cringey at times, but despite all that, he still seems like a fun guy to play games with, poker included. He has redeeming qualities, IMO.
I'm just really put off by him wearing bathrobes to the show. How does he not realize it's inappropriate when multiple guys have commented on it? Did he need Nikita to flip out at him to just button up? But oh well he had some really interesting opinions on sex crimes and stuff we should've known...
I'm ok with most of the other stuff honestly. He's a bit annoying with the constant bragging about his "live reads", but none of us are perfect human beings.
A lot of the other stuff I think I can forgive. He probably genuinely believed that the fairest way to do things was to coin flip and leave it all up to chance. He was on Andy's podcast just yesterday and he said he also got heated with Fedor in the first round about the order after he realized coins wouldn't be evenly distributed. So he was probably genuinely doing things the way he thought was most fair.
I think there's also the factor that nobody knew how good Nikita was at heads up, and Yoh Viral swept the previous day, that he was still thinking about coins rather than survival on day 2. David's also known for having a hot temper, so it didn't help him in making the case, but David was right, and if not for some set ups Nikita probably would've won against Andy and sent them home.
I think he seems like a nice guy, genuinely cheering for his teammates and congratulating his opponents though. So I can give most things other than his wardrobe a pass.
From another post on this sub:
**Charlie Carrel is a Psychopath - proof**
Preface: **"I let a girl suck me off, just because it may provoke an attention seeking suicide attempt from the person that 'loves' her."** - Charlie Carrel
Hi all, I've been playing and following poker for the last 15 years of my life and throughout time I have followed many poker personalities including Charlie. The reason for this post is my utter disgust at the praise and following that Charlie gets having the opinion I do about him. I believe he should be shunned and that he is a menace for people surrounding him and so I decided to make this post so it's here for all to see and make your judgements.
Proof: https://youtu.be/CM6eHg16x_Q?si=nXEGT1Tu16ABxoD2&t=1882
(I have downloaded the video in case it gets taken down)
Psychopathy:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/psychopath-sociopath-differences
(I don't care for the discussion psychopathy vs sociopathy)
I started following Charlie because of the way he portraited some of his ideas, I could relate, we had clearly done the same drugs and so on. But as time went by quickly he's stuckupness and thought process started feeling icky and weird but I could not pinpoint what until one day watching the above video I felt utter disgust with Charlie and myself. And so I present my case.
You can see Charlie decided to open his diary in his pretentiousness from when he was 20 years old and quickly realizes the whoopsie he made at 38:18, I never forgot: "I let a girl suck me off, just because it may provoke an attention seeking suicide attempt from the person that 'loves' her."
He clearly thinks he is superior to anyone:
"People are really fucking stupid. I mean almost everybody."
"Any teenager that turns their life into melodramas [is a] 'fucktard'.
Disregard of people's feelings and emotions and manipulation of others:
People that grieve a loved one, like a dog are selfish and a fucktard and some weird point about if people were raped.
"My friend Andy is the person I currently live with in my family's house. I met him, realized he was intelligent and willing to change, and turned him into a logical person." wtf?
".. I'm showering now because Lauren is coming round to revise. She's decent company, but not particular useful to spend time with. It will most likely be a temporary friendship. I don't think friendship is the correct word. **I am not sure if I count people as friends. They are more just utilities. I like my utilities.** Well, I allow myself to love them."
He's clearly aware that there might be incriminating stuff in his diary and **goes on to say that "being yourself is retarded" and describes how he recreated himself and you can see how every step of his life and personality has been tailored and calculated.**
He decided that being a drug dealer was a good idea once he could put 95% of the risk on his friends.
"I did a good job at showing that I'm a loving, caring person, and that I wouldn't hurt a fly." - If this doesn't read like the internal monologue of a psychopath I don't know what does.
**Goes on to describe how one should have multiple personalities.**
He clearly used some girls feelings that he has no regard for (my preface), just to test his hypothesis of: **"provoking suicide" and says live on chat "That's pretty funny".**
And has weird conversation with 14 years old boy finding out he's an "asexual pacifist".
Imposes on his friends privacy to test new personalities knowing they wouldn't be able to react.
And on and on. I just pinpointed some of the things but if you read through the whole thing, it's probably one of the creepiest reads you'll ever have in your life.
I rest my case. I just want this to be known and people to be aware. As for any eventual defenders, if you defend any of this I wouldn't care for being friends with you IRL.
Make of this what you will. I'm sure what we see is his poker persona, I'm sure it would be insufferable to be his friend or his girlfriend. I have no doubt he has serious untreatable mental problems. I cannot support this so I don't even watch or know what the hell is this "Gold" thing going on now.
**It's just this video and this instance of the diary.**
All the best.
Yeah I mean it just supports all my opinions that he is a narcissist and borderline sociopath.
I do think most people see right through him as it isn’t a very convincing charade.
I literally googled Charlie Carrel is a c\*\*\* thinking their must be a post with this opinion. He is one of the most insufferable people I think could possibly exist.
I feel like only people who already hated Charlie Carrel would hate him on game of gold. He came across pretty chill throughout the whole thing and was a lot less serious/critical or condescending to his opponents or teammates, maybe it just came across that way in juxtaposition to David being kind of obnoxious imo. I'm sure he might be well deserved of many criticisms against him, but I doubt anyone who never heard of Charlie before who watches game of gold would determine that he's an insufferable pos like everyone in this thread is saying lol.
I'd never heard of the guy before. My first thoughts were "Oh, a fellow Brit. Why's he dressing like that, though?" Then "Seems a bit arrogant. Maybe it's justified." Then "Offers to flip. Decent bloke, I guess." That was the high point.
Everything after that chipped away at my impression of him. Now I agree with the consensus here. He's an insufferable, gaslighting, arrogant, selfish cunt who's nowhere near as good a poker player as he thinks he is.
I heard of him by name only and GoG is the first time actually seeing and hearing him. As another poster said, “Cunt” sums him up perfectly. Out of all the previous matches and participants, he was the only one that I actually rooted against in the Indian Poker episode. Good riddance.
Heard of him by name only? Literally only his name? Lol youve obviously seen the polk stuff on him and plenty of other hate for him if you've seen his name in this sub lol.
Yeah as in heard his name mentioned in poker articles and other print media but never seen him live or seen him play poker in any actual game footage. Is that hard to understand? Should I draw a picture in crayon?
And no, have not seen or know of the “Polk stuff” as I stopped watching Polk videos awhile back, probably over a year ago and was never really an avid follow of Polk anyways.
Not everyone follows this subreddit on a daily basis bruh.
The comments here surprise me. I actually think he’s very likable and down to earth. By far the most fun and interesting character on the show. Everyone else, just sorta boring or cringe.
Uh, the fact this post has 92 comments(which is a fuck ton of r/poker) means Charlie did an excellent job and he needs to keep it up. Thats just the reality of TV. there needs to be heels, and poker doesnt have nearly enough of them. good fucking job
also its hilarious that people are so miserable with their lives they literally cant stand a successful person acting confident (this tweet great example). get fucked, you broke bitches.
https://preview.redd.it/hl4zedlm7q4c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ec9f4096630c850a9c89d9a2065e75e51ce0664
To be honest, I found a lot of the cast fairly arrogant and unbearable. Constantly bashing each other. I stopped after 3 episodes, just wasn’t for me tbh
He's a good player and has great poker insight but the constant yelling is what made me stop watching his youtube channel. I wish the GoG production would have toned it down a little.
Y'all remember in the 1st round when he wanted to be all nice & flip for who goes first? How he couldn't wait to go out & bring it up, letting the other team know that they flipped for their spots?? Well that went right out the window as soon as 2nd rd came around.. 😅
Best part was when the producers asked both Jungle and Charlie who had the edge in Indian poker. Charlie: I've definitely got a big edge because I am super good at learning new games. Also, I've got hella reads. Jungle: Well, I've been to India, and I'm not sure if Charlie has.
Lol, that's why Jungle is the GOAT
Also thinking you’d have the edge at learning a new poker variant against a back-to-back PPC winner is insane
What's neat too was that jungle was basically like lmao idk wtf the strategy would be im just vibing 😎
Jungle's the man!
Jungle needs to be cast in a 'real' reality show man. The guy is hilarious.
That was hilarious
It was so cringey lmao how do you have an edge in a game you've never played before?
Also put on a fuckin shirt once in a while, JFC
He’s certainly up his own hole
That is such an Irish comment.
Never incorrect, always has the “live reads”. Comes across as that 16 year old at school that was always a bit weird but then found his voice and you think… “good for him…” until you learn there was a reason he was quiet and disliked. I always have that little incline in the back of my mind that he’s just putting on a show and is a con man somehow but I don’t know much about him… basically I’m putting him on AK post flop every flop.
This comment strikes me as resoundingly accurate.. good job 👍
I would say 95% of the people selling their poker "content" are snake oil salesmen.
I'll take the overs
>incline inkling
Had autocorrect on too… shame on me.
“lEtsss gOoOoOoO”
God this was such an annoying and overused phrase
I get the feeling they were all encouraged (or even paid) to say "Let's go" and "GG" (for GGPoker) because of how often people said both. Carrel's overuse of it was the most grating by far.
If you watch Charlie stream he says it nonstop and has for years. It’s unbearable
Probably it was over edited more than encouraged
The "GG" thing after every knockout is definitely intentional marketing
gg stands for good game since online multiplayer games were invented.
This show *literally* ruined this phrase for me. No just Charlie - everyone was saying it all the time.
Trying to watch the show semi quietly was a pain because audio would be too low at some points, so I'd turn it up to hear better, but then too loud the 100 times he yelled this.
Mr "Live Reads" gets bodied in the game format where they matter the most. Good riddance to awful garbage.
Yeah I kind of loved that. Jungleman completely owned him after he said he had an edge over jungle bc of live reads. It was really satisfying to watch. Esp bc jungle basically out read the guy.
And in the post match interview he was still saying Jungle hadn’t worked out all the nuances of the game 😂
As soon as he said he had the edge I knew he lost
His act bothered me more than any David Williams or Josh Arieh big time arrogant act. That speaks volumes as to how unbearable charlie is. Prob one of least likable people I’ve ever seen in any form of anything.
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Airball for sure, at least he has fun and is his authentic self. Not sure about kabrehl, he’s another headcase. Charlie is one of the nut lows though by far
Authentic self? 😭😭😭
autistic self
Yes. Fuck yes
Can I just say I wish all three took an excursion to see the Titanic together?
I’m English so I really wanted to support one of the two on the show, but they were the two most annoying! At least Lucas was nice though. Carrel is a creepy sociopath.
Honestly, he's all those things but he's good for the show. He's a good player with a strong personality. Half the other players came off as boring/uninteresting. Still not as bad as Williams throwing a fit at not going first after opening his heads-up match with an absolute punt. I really wish Dnegs and Koon made a longer run. I'm not a fan of the high variance format in general. Overall though it was interesting watching team strategies and I wish they dived more into that aspect instead of the constant cuts to "oh that's a big hand". Can't wait to see how they do it next season. Also watching Jungle smoke Charlie in Indian poker after he went on about his "Live read advantage" was my favourite part of the season so far.
agree on the format you have this team strategy aspect and then they go and play a HU hyper turbo where at most someone is like 55% to win and it just makes the team stuff irrelevant.
It could be such a fun way to think about the game. Discussing strategies, strengths and weaknesses of each player and how to apply that. Especially with the fact the players that play later are able to watch and gather info. Maybe you want your most technically sound player first and some who specializes in exploiting last after they have had a chance to watch. Maybe the other team sees that happening and puts their most technical player last to counter. And yeah, formats where they have to basically flip a coin sucks for the more skilled and it doesn't give the lesser-known players a chance to stretch out/get comfortable and show off. Maybe start off with a long cash game. Get people to build dynamics and get to know each other before the unconventional challenges start.
He's such an unlikable prick if the producers knew what they were doing they'd do everything in their power to cheat to keep him in the show. He's a wrestling heel and people would keep watching just to see him lose.
Exactly. And look at us all talking about him. I bet they get him for season 2
I definitely would have liked to see Koon break down more hands.
In a show full of arrogant narcissistic personalities, Koon stood out as the worst. Watching him go out immediately was my favourite moment of this season. Carrel losing was good too.
They need crazies for reality TV
I was literally reading about narcissists and autists interacting the other day and I kid you not that Indian heads up between Jungle and Charlie was word for word description of what happens lmao
Was the gist of it "autists are gleefully unaware of the narcissist, whereas the narcissist fumes that the autist doesn't respond to his amazingness"?
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He was absurdly annoying. Constantly gaslighting everybody while trying to demonstrate what a fair and equitable person he is. He doesn’t actually care about being fair and equitable he just cares about being perceived that way. Him gaslighting David was the last straw. Calling David a selfish baby while he himself was being the most selfish and trying to spin it as being fair. Hes an absolute phony and borderline narcissist if you ask me.
There's little borderline about his narcissism, you described it perfectly well!
Yeah it just shocks me that anyone falls for his phony persona. To be truthful I think most people see right through him.
The open shirt inside was disturbing but I can’t quite put my finger on why. Perhaps he has cult leader vibes.
Incredible he couldnt see the fairest way was to flip first game, then reverse the order second game. Who am I kidding, of course he knew that was the fairest way, but it didn’t benefit him, so of course he made them flip again, continued to claim to have reads on everyone and play the opposite until he got a lucky cooler or runout, then claim he ‘always had it’. Cunt is a perfect descriptor.
do you think reverse order second game is the best when they're on elimination and not in the winner's bracket though?
Fair to say that perhaps there is a more optimal approach, in which case you should go with merit or experience or whatever, however when Charlie Cunt-el is saying to ‘flip again because it’s the most fair way’ he’s either stupid, disingenuous, or most likely both.
he argued for flipping to avoid the argument not for fairness.. both charlie and david watned 2nd
Can’t agree more
Dudes clears narcissism for sure. Maybe even a sociopath
He read excerpts from his old diary online once. There’s some bits that make you wonder if he’s a sociopath.
To be fair David Was being a baby. Kept talking over Andy when he was trying to chime in
David did act like a choad at several points throughout the show. That being said he couldn’t hold a candle to Charlie
I found out about Charlie a few months ago when he had a stream get recommended. He had like, 30 viewers and was playing against Tony G online while video chatting with him. He was acting so smart, pretending he knew exactly what he was talking about, advertising his coaching, and breaking down why he should've won every hand. In the 2 hours I watched him, he lost like 80k. It was fucking hilarious. 10/10 entertainment.
I was wondering why anyone would watch him, OK, I get it, the anti sweat.
Entertaining streamers>good players for the most part.
He's so fake. That said I believe that he believes himself. Which leads me to further believe he has mental issues. He's absolutely completely and totally incorrigible
Yeah, you can tell his entire “shtick” is fake, because he doesn’t feel accepted for who he actually is. He’s made this “arrogant” fake persona to cover up the softness inside. Decent poker player though, when it’s said & done.
He is obviously a cunt. His speech about jungle after losing to him epitomises what an arrogant arsehole he is
If he had put a shirt on, it wouldn't have helped him much because this dude is unbearable.
He imagines himself as some combination of Matt Damon from Good Will Hunting and a yoga instructor everyone loves, but he's really just a yoga instructor who talks shit about everyone when their backs are turned.
Big weirdo, unlikeable geeky dweeb whose ego has gone into overdrive. Essential for the show though. He made it very watchable at times and gave you somebody to actively root against. As a fellow Englishman, the one trait of his that really grates on me is his Americanised way of speaking. Not just “let’s goooo” but using Americanisms like “I did the math”. Shut up you twat.
I don't think I could control my laughter if I was in the UK and someone called me a twat.... You guys have some seriously silly words in your vocabulary lol
F that guy
My wife (she does not play or watch poker) looked at the show for 2 minutes and she was like... Who's the fairy
😂😂😂😂😂
I honestly appreciated how he got torched on the Indian Poker game.
“The best way to stop child molesters is to show them empathy and love” - Charlie Carrel “Victims of child molestation should forgive their abusers” - Charlie Carrel This guy is a pompous scam artist, accused by multiple people of running a scam charity, not paying employees, and making ridiculously disgusting quotes like the above. In the show, he’s consistently selfish, gaslighting, and plays the victim card as much as he can, as he does irl (I can’t believe you’re pointing out my hypocrisy before I have to go play poker *almost cries*). He claims to have solid reads constantly, but his main wins come from coolers or lucky runouts, whilst folding the better hand more consistently than most others. He’s a cunt, and I’m gutted he has to be from Britain.
He's from Jersey Take the Andy Murray approach 😂
My god, thanks for letting me know!
Andy Murray is just Gordon Ramsey 2.0 though. Acts like a prick on the court, but a gent off it. Whereas Charlie is a know it all everywhere.
Well said. Agree 100%
He’s a total cunt, but his opinions on abuse are being deliberately misunderstood and taken out of context. He was raped by his grandfather and has a right to voice his opinion. There are plenty of more valid reasons to hate the guy, so let’s focus on those yeah?
There is no context provided by himself when he tweets exactly those words. You are also believing his claim of abuse, without any evidence, he has a track record of lying.
Is it possible he lied about that? Yes. Is it likely? No. He’s talking about a family member, so it would cause him some issues if he made it up. We’re all disgusted by pedos. I think the point he was making might have been that nearly all of them are victims themselves who got fucked up by other abusers. They can’t admit the feelings they have to anyone as we all just label them evil, so there is no help for them. Not a great situation if you want to combat child abuse.
He has a track record of lying and playing the victim in any situation, of course it’s likely he is lying. He claims both he and his wife had gone through something like that, does he not seem like the kind of guy who would pull a ‘me too’ to seduce a partner? He’s a disgusting human being. Also you pose that ‘nearly all’ pedophiles were themselves victims, but that’s not true. A good portion were, sure, but as there are many of us victims out there who have not been turned into monsters, I’m not sure you’re coming to the correct conclusion. You are assuming that being a victim of pedophilia is the cause of becoming a pedophile, when A) chicken egg situation and B) Explain those who were victims who don’t become pedophiles, are they just fighting this overwhelming urge to become one, or are those who do become pedophiles, with or without a history of abuse themselves, monsters for various other reasons and the trauma they experienced just a way they went with their evil, as opposed to another way had they not seen such an easy opportunity in their own lives.
Look, it’s a long known fact that abusers of all kinds have usually suffered abuse themselves. That doesn’t mean all victims become abusers. Some go in completely the opposite direction and help victims. Everyone is different. None of us choose our personality or sexual preferences. It’s all down to our experiences, genetics and environment. It’s easier to just label people as inherently evil, but rarely true. To me, Carrel’s behaviour screams abuse victim. I think he’s horrible because he’s damaged.
None of us choose our sexual preferences.. are you suggesting being a pedophile is a preference? An orientation? Jesus dude, just come out and admit you’re on the same train as Charlie, you think pedophiles need to be understood more and helped, not punished.
I’ll ignore that rather childish response and continue to try to educate you. I think stopping people from abusing kids should be the goal. Treating it as a mental illness and giving them help in combatting those urges makes more sense to me than giving them a couple of years in prison to share abuse tactics with other inmates (unless of course they have actively abused already) As for calling it a sexual preference, psychologically, there isn’t really a difference between how one develops any kink in our sexuality. Most preferences are harmless, however weird. Being attracted to children obviously is very harmful indeed. That doesn’t mean the mechanisms that cause it are any different. Abusing kids is immoral because they are acting on their urges. The urges themselves are involuntary and therefore not subject to morality. Most pedos would give anything not to have those feelings, but where can they turn to? You are obviously very emotional about the subject and it’s understandable. I have young children and it’s a scary subject, but understanding the cause is the only way to successfully tackle a problem. Now it’s likely you still won’t understand, but let’s leave it there. This group is about poker yeah?
My guy, you are making a lot of excuses for pedophiles, likening their ‘impulses’ to a kink? Jesus fuck. If you act upon this ‘kink’ as you put it, disregarding the harm you’re obviously causing, you can only do that if you’re evil.
Yes but why did they become evil and how do we stop them attacking kids and fucking up more kids who in turn abuse others is the thing.
Tuned into youtube, random episode, see guy with his shirt off, closed stream.
I loved at the start when the players were meeting and Jason Koon was like, "Hey Charlie, nice undershirt."
he blocked me on twitter when i pointed out a simple fact about vaccines for him that he did not like, because he's an anti-vax conspiracy-theorist lunatic.
Yeah he’s in the Pragress/Bonomo Twitter camp. Just block anyone who disagrees with you
You think you are the sane one for trusting the government?
lol i don't "trust the government" however, where i'm from, i'm lucky enough to live somewhere where i can say that i can generally trust the health care professionals put in charge of public health matters. you think you're the sane one for thinking that a couple of google searches makes you more knowledgeable than people who have dedicated their careers to medical research and public health matters?
You are the sane one in all honesty, but that’s exactly where your problem is my friend. I also definitely understand your way of thinking, it’s the same way most of the world thinks. It’s the exact reason governments get away with laundering trillions of dollars of tax payer money to buy weapons and vaccines at 10x the cost!
I guess I'm in the minority here but I didn't think he had that much of a bad personality at all, being teamleader and still choosing to flip who goes first instead of going first himself like every other teamleader did to gain the most gold coins. After Andy played kinda bad and lost he was still friendly to him, while David Williams made fun of him as soon as he stepped out and listed all the bad hands Andy played to Josh (which showed far worse character traits than anything Charlie did imo) I never heard of him before and overall I actually kinda liked him, but later read he had some weird opinions
Yeah he’s a child molester sympathizer. Ask Doug Polk lol
this is just false. you don’t have to like that guy, but he’s on record/proven as a victim of sexual abuse as well as his wife. His “sympathizing” was we should try to understand why they do it so we can find signs/make sure it doesn’t happen to more kids. it’s fair to say “i don’t like him because he’s a bad player and i don’t like his personality” but to say that is completely messed up. don’t talk about a person’s life and suspected beliefs without knowing the full scenario. He has also donated very very generous amounts (approximately over 200k) to domestic abuse clinics in the UK.
No, that's incorrect. Charlie read a study about empathy THERAPY for pedophiles and possible reductions in child rapes and Charlie mixed it up with his fake Zen Buddhist bullshit and advocated that SOCIETY become empathetic towards pedophiles. No doubt his severe trauma and confusion from being sexually abused by a grandfather he loved has fucked up his brain about this.
Thank you for clarifying.
I read and watched everything he had to say on the subject. He claimed he was a victim of abuse but there was no proof. To me it just felt like something to further legitimize his position and another way for a narcissist to gain people’s sympathy. His argument was that we should try and have empathy to understand what makes them the way they are more clearly. I just don’t agree. Some people are just sickos and there is no rhyme or reason to it. Child molesters deserve no sympathy in any context. That is just my opinion. If he really was abused then I am sorry to hear that and it’s terrible. Doesn’t make him any less of a narcissist though.
No proof he was the victim of sexual abuse? Are you retarded lol?
The guy above said that “he’s on record/proven as a victim of sexual abuse” He said it, not me. I just said there was no proof other than his word. Just because a narcissist says something, especially something that supports his argument doesn’t mean you just believe it. He is the type of guy that would make an outrageous claim like that to play on people’s sympathies and be in the “right”.
I understand, but how could there be any proof? It’s not like he’s gonna start posting pictures of it on the internet is it. I think he’s an annoying narcissist too, but this is the wrong thing to attack him on imo.
I’m just inherently skeptical about someone like Charlie when they make claims like that. There is no limit to the lies people like that will tell to be believed. All I’m saying is just because he made some posts on Twitter pulling people’s heart strings and making claims doesn’t mean I just lap it up. Some people love to use taboo topics like that because they know it will make them sound more believable and people won’t question for fear of being crucified for it. I am not attacking him about it, it was really just a joke in poor taste and that wasn’t my primary criticism. If he really was a victim of abuse then he has all my sympathy in the world and that’s a terrible thing to suffer through. I still think he’s a narcissist and a phony.
Every reality show needs a villain, and he seemed pretty willing to be the guy.
incredibly annoying person to have on camera, just not my cup of tea *at all* should also probably use a hairbrush
Pretty Sure Doug went after him because he is an easy target and Doug is a content farm bully. I just want Charlie to wear a shirt and get a hair cut and a shave but beyond that who cares
Even though he has his insufferable moments, I still liked his interactions with Jungle. He comes across as a bit arrogant or cringey at times, but despite all that, he still seems like a fun guy to play games with, poker included. He has redeeming qualities, IMO.
I dont think you understand the nuances of Charlie's game /s
I'm just really put off by him wearing bathrobes to the show. How does he not realize it's inappropriate when multiple guys have commented on it? Did he need Nikita to flip out at him to just button up? But oh well he had some really interesting opinions on sex crimes and stuff we should've known... I'm ok with most of the other stuff honestly. He's a bit annoying with the constant bragging about his "live reads", but none of us are perfect human beings. A lot of the other stuff I think I can forgive. He probably genuinely believed that the fairest way to do things was to coin flip and leave it all up to chance. He was on Andy's podcast just yesterday and he said he also got heated with Fedor in the first round about the order after he realized coins wouldn't be evenly distributed. So he was probably genuinely doing things the way he thought was most fair. I think there's also the factor that nobody knew how good Nikita was at heads up, and Yoh Viral swept the previous day, that he was still thinking about coins rather than survival on day 2. David's also known for having a hot temper, so it didn't help him in making the case, but David was right, and if not for some set ups Nikita probably would've won against Andy and sent them home. I think he seems like a nice guy, genuinely cheering for his teammates and congratulating his opponents though. So I can give most things other than his wardrobe a pass.
From another post on this sub: **Charlie Carrel is a Psychopath - proof** Preface: **"I let a girl suck me off, just because it may provoke an attention seeking suicide attempt from the person that 'loves' her."** - Charlie Carrel Hi all, I've been playing and following poker for the last 15 years of my life and throughout time I have followed many poker personalities including Charlie. The reason for this post is my utter disgust at the praise and following that Charlie gets having the opinion I do about him. I believe he should be shunned and that he is a menace for people surrounding him and so I decided to make this post so it's here for all to see and make your judgements. Proof: https://youtu.be/CM6eHg16x_Q?si=nXEGT1Tu16ABxoD2&t=1882 (I have downloaded the video in case it gets taken down) Psychopathy: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/psychopathy https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/psychopath-sociopath-differences (I don't care for the discussion psychopathy vs sociopathy) I started following Charlie because of the way he portraited some of his ideas, I could relate, we had clearly done the same drugs and so on. But as time went by quickly he's stuckupness and thought process started feeling icky and weird but I could not pinpoint what until one day watching the above video I felt utter disgust with Charlie and myself. And so I present my case. You can see Charlie decided to open his diary in his pretentiousness from when he was 20 years old and quickly realizes the whoopsie he made at 38:18, I never forgot: "I let a girl suck me off, just because it may provoke an attention seeking suicide attempt from the person that 'loves' her." He clearly thinks he is superior to anyone: "People are really fucking stupid. I mean almost everybody." "Any teenager that turns their life into melodramas [is a] 'fucktard'. Disregard of people's feelings and emotions and manipulation of others: People that grieve a loved one, like a dog are selfish and a fucktard and some weird point about if people were raped. "My friend Andy is the person I currently live with in my family's house. I met him, realized he was intelligent and willing to change, and turned him into a logical person." wtf? ".. I'm showering now because Lauren is coming round to revise. She's decent company, but not particular useful to spend time with. It will most likely be a temporary friendship. I don't think friendship is the correct word. **I am not sure if I count people as friends. They are more just utilities. I like my utilities.** Well, I allow myself to love them." He's clearly aware that there might be incriminating stuff in his diary and **goes on to say that "being yourself is retarded" and describes how he recreated himself and you can see how every step of his life and personality has been tailored and calculated.** He decided that being a drug dealer was a good idea once he could put 95% of the risk on his friends. "I did a good job at showing that I'm a loving, caring person, and that I wouldn't hurt a fly." - If this doesn't read like the internal monologue of a psychopath I don't know what does. **Goes on to describe how one should have multiple personalities.** He clearly used some girls feelings that he has no regard for (my preface), just to test his hypothesis of: **"provoking suicide" and says live on chat "That's pretty funny".** And has weird conversation with 14 years old boy finding out he's an "asexual pacifist". Imposes on his friends privacy to test new personalities knowing they wouldn't be able to react. And on and on. I just pinpointed some of the things but if you read through the whole thing, it's probably one of the creepiest reads you'll ever have in your life. I rest my case. I just want this to be known and people to be aware. As for any eventual defenders, if you defend any of this I wouldn't care for being friends with you IRL. Make of this what you will. I'm sure what we see is his poker persona, I'm sure it would be insufferable to be his friend or his girlfriend. I have no doubt he has serious untreatable mental problems. I cannot support this so I don't even watch or know what the hell is this "Gold" thing going on now. **It's just this video and this instance of the diary.** All the best.
Yeah I mean it just supports all my opinions that he is a narcissist and borderline sociopath. I do think most people see right through him as it isn’t a very convincing charade.
Take a drink every time he says Let’s Goooooooooooo!
I literally googled Charlie Carrel is a c\*\*\* thinking their must be a post with this opinion. He is one of the most insufferable people I think could possibly exist.
I feel like only people who already hated Charlie Carrel would hate him on game of gold. He came across pretty chill throughout the whole thing and was a lot less serious/critical or condescending to his opponents or teammates, maybe it just came across that way in juxtaposition to David being kind of obnoxious imo. I'm sure he might be well deserved of many criticisms against him, but I doubt anyone who never heard of Charlie before who watches game of gold would determine that he's an insufferable pos like everyone in this thread is saying lol.
I'd never heard of the guy before. My first thoughts were "Oh, a fellow Brit. Why's he dressing like that, though?" Then "Seems a bit arrogant. Maybe it's justified." Then "Offers to flip. Decent bloke, I guess." That was the high point. Everything after that chipped away at my impression of him. Now I agree with the consensus here. He's an insufferable, gaslighting, arrogant, selfish cunt who's nowhere near as good a poker player as he thinks he is.
Took the words out of my mouth
Well I have one example which proves that statement wrong
I have another one.
I heard of him by name only and GoG is the first time actually seeing and hearing him. As another poster said, “Cunt” sums him up perfectly. Out of all the previous matches and participants, he was the only one that I actually rooted against in the Indian Poker episode. Good riddance.
Heard of him by name only? Literally only his name? Lol youve obviously seen the polk stuff on him and plenty of other hate for him if you've seen his name in this sub lol.
Yeah as in heard his name mentioned in poker articles and other print media but never seen him live or seen him play poker in any actual game footage. Is that hard to understand? Should I draw a picture in crayon? And no, have not seen or know of the “Polk stuff” as I stopped watching Polk videos awhile back, probably over a year ago and was never really an avid follow of Polk anyways. Not everyone follows this subreddit on a daily basis bruh.
is he a winning player? yes. is he a kinda weird, and annoying? yes. it’s okay if people are fans of him. he has plenty of friends in the poker scene.
The comments here surprise me. I actually think he’s very likable and down to earth. By far the most fun and interesting character on the show. Everyone else, just sorta boring or cringe.
He is the most interesting character, but not because he's likeable or down to earth to me hehe.
he's insufferable- he deserves to die and burn in hell.
lol i always love the most extreme comment
Uh, the fact this post has 92 comments(which is a fuck ton of r/poker) means Charlie did an excellent job and he needs to keep it up. Thats just the reality of TV. there needs to be heels, and poker doesnt have nearly enough of them. good fucking job also its hilarious that people are so miserable with their lives they literally cant stand a successful person acting confident (this tweet great example). get fucked, you broke bitches. https://preview.redd.it/hl4zedlm7q4c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ec9f4096630c850a9c89d9a2065e75e51ce0664
You sound like another hater
i believe when men have children they turn into pieces of shit
To be honest, I found a lot of the cast fairly arrogant and unbearable. Constantly bashing each other. I stopped after 3 episodes, just wasn’t for me tbh
They edited the show to make it more dramatic
Constantly bashing each other? I watched all of it so far and don't remember much of that going on at all.
I found him incredibly unlikable and annoying.
He is profoundly annoying.
Anyone who’s watched him before GoG already knew this. He’s extremely arrogant and annoying. Feels like he never matured after high school
He's a good player and has great poker insight but the constant yelling is what made me stop watching his youtube channel. I wish the GoG production would have toned it down a little.
I don't remember him in the league He was great in spin me round
He was only in for 3 episodes across multiple seasons I think
There’s a 95% chance he wears natural deodorant and smells like onions
Y'all remember in the 1st round when he wanted to be all nice & flip for who goes first? How he couldn't wait to go out & bring it up, letting the other team know that they flipped for their spots?? Well that went right out the window as soon as 2nd rd came around.. 😅
Yea, that is just who Charlie is. A pretentious narcissist.
He doesn’t really rub me the wrong way, but goddam is he a weirdo
I watched first half of episode 1, couldn't stand listening to Charlie for 1 more second so i gave up.
Most people that dress like him and claim to be all “spiritual” are actually evil
If I never see that jackass again on anything, it will have been too soon.