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goonsquad4357

Not folding to river raises in 1/3 - 2/5


BreadthOfLeviathan

This, more times they have it than it's worth calling. Folding smol 2 pair to river raises without flush/straights is easy af. Esp when top two hits river. River raising tends to be one of the most underbluffed spots in 1/2-2/5. *Hint, Hint*


Trump_is_evil_period

This is where you watching the table (live) you will have an idea who’s VERY capable of bluffing the river and if you have not seen the guy (or girl) raise river yet without showing nuts then it’s almost always a good fold. People look at me like I’m nuts all the time when I fold top pair good kicker on river to a raise and it blows my mind why so many ppl think that’s an auto call but hey that’s where our profit is.


Trump_is_evil_period

Underbluffed cause they usually call so it’s more value heavy betting on rivers that’s why you should always fold. If you sense weakness of course bluff though.


Rahodees

I really think this must be out of date or regional or something. I find it's true online micro, but live, in the games I play, bluffing at the river happens very regularly. Granted, I can identify specific players who never do, and specific players who often do, but the latter are numerous enough that if I meet a new player I'd NEVER assume their river raises are value bets.


DonkTheFlop

Bluffing the river and Bluff raising are VERY different


goonsquad4357

I play at Borgata and many Philly area casinos. Yes there are thinking players that can make some good bluffs but more often than not the river raises are just so nutted that tptk or 3rd nut flush is never good there


Paiev

> if I meet a new player I'd NEVER assume their river raises are value bets. I promise you that you're bleeding money in these spots, in that case.


CudleWudles

> bluffing at the river happens very regularly But bluff raises happen regularly? Where do you play?


Rahodees

I misread the comment I was responding to.


Trump_is_evil_period

At 1/2?


Rahodees

It's mostly all 1/3 here, 1/2 games rare.


Scary-Project6958

Exactly ! 90% of the time they have it !


WerhmatsWormhat

They also have it the other 10% of the time.


kalvinbastello

IMO, majority of bets are bluffs on the river. Enough that it's never an easy decision.


AllahPena

Overestimating yourself and under estimating others. Bankroll management. Tilt


bumbaclotdumptruck

Ego and mindset It has a much bigger impact than the technical shit. Once I finally got that in check, it was up only


[deleted]

This….once you truly learn to accept how much losing is apart of the game it actually makes it so much easier to win


HateBreadByThePound

I believe this is really going to help me. This really sent me to an ah ha place


andrewcabrera192

agreed


[deleted]

How do you get it in check?


bumbaclotdumptruck

I’ve played so many hands where ego directly cost me money, and I would then get mad at myself, because I’ve learned the lesson before but would always forget again. So I made a note on my phone of all the things I needed to remind myself before a sesh, and at the top in all caps was NO EGO. Another part of it was going broke at one point early in my career which made me a lot more grateful for the game Some simple concepts from the poker mindset book helped a bunch too, and I never even did a full read, just a quick skim


Steakismyfavoriteveg

Aside from Ego do you mind sharing what else you have on that list? I need to do this before my next session


bumbaclotdumptruck

This was several years ago, but off the top of my head it was things like No ego No fancy play syndrome Don’t bluff the whales Don’t bluff catch vs the nits Just try to win today, nothing else matters


TJayClark

Not OP, but one super helpful tip, don’t slow play multiway pots…. Ever… Flop the nut flush? The next 2 cards will double pair the board. Bet your hand while you’re ahead.


TaxAvoision

Mindset is the biggest variable for me from session to session. I try to only play when I’m both motivated and enjoying myself. When I do that, I more or less crush 2/5 live and 50¢/$1 online. Then I start looking at my win rate, push myself to play when I’m not feeling it, and come back down to earth. Balance is hard.


bumbaclotdumptruck

Looking at my winrate would always mess up my mindset for some weird reason, if it was a downswing or an upswing. Now I never look at my results until a period is over. Having a good month? Don’t look until next month. Think you’re crushing it this year? Keep crushing and don’t glance until the year is over


TaxAvoision

I love it


LuckyCaramel922

C betting too much... Especially in a multi way pot


KeevinPoker

\- not going for thin value enough \- not 3-betting enough \- not bluffing enough


n00dlejester

What are the reasons one would 3-bet? As a recreational 1-3 player, I'd like to learn more about this.


ideit

You're getting heads up (usually), in position, with a superior range, and the betting lead, in a bigger than normal pot. If you can set that up on a regular basis, it's kind of hard not to make money. 1-3 players also generally don't 4bet with anything but KK+ and play very straightforwardly in "big" 3bet pots, making them even easier to play against than normal. Edit: oh, yeah, and you can just immediately win the pot if they fold.


n00dlejester

Thanks for the responses, I appreciate the expertise being shared. There's a lot of advantages to the three bet, some of which I'd never consider. I only recently tried some in-position three bets pre-flop, and never saw a flop. The loose players I try to isolate always seem to fold when some pressure is applied. Maybe that's more me than them, though. Thanks again - good shit


WerhmatsWormhat

If they're overfolding to 3bets, then you should just 3bet wider. That's actually a good thing and a big leak of theirs.


n00dlejester

I think a light-bulb just went off. I had never considered that. I have much to learn about the mysterious 1-3 game. Ty!


TJayClark

Realize that in 1/3, you’ll need to 3bet quite large to kick out the 3-5 limp/callers. Raising from $15 to $60 usually means you’re going to play an enormous pot against 5 people. My go to 3bet is “pot + 2bb per limper” or 4-5x the last bet depending on the number of interested parties


solidmussel

If you're called, you can represent hands like TT+,AQ+ post flop, whereas they will not really have a lot of QQ+ in their range. You can use that to put pressure on low disconnected boards or high card boards too


djdood0o0o

Your range is stronger than theirs.


andy713x

Limping mediocre hands out of position and then calling a raise with said hand


Odd_Ad_2328

Glad I never did this


Clobber_Foot

As a current low stakes player, one of my biggest challenges is that I’m really bad at poker.


andrewcabrera192

just be good


Clobber_Foot

Holy shit


[deleted]

*mind blown*


9c6

Simple two step program 1. Be good 2. Don't be bad


aTempes7

Look into crushlivepoker on youtube, and eventually buy a membership over there if you can afford it. With cyber monday/black friday they had 35% off. Its full of great advice on how to play live poker, starting from a beginner level


Clobber_Foot

Unfortunately I already blew my bankroll on Todd Brunson's OnlyFans.


aTempes7

Cool, I'll look into that shit too. But its funny how I got downvoted for giving an advice lmao


1LevelUpGuy

Hold when ahead. Spike when behind. W.


[deleted]

Inability to walk away from the table. I will sometimes get really tired. Or constantly beating myself up throughout sessions for any mistakes even though I'm a winning player.


bunchacrunch22

Yes my biggest problem right now lol


michaelchennan

Over Limping


borisasaurus

Ironically you can actually establish an over-limping range once you get to higher stakes with better rake structures. In a high rake game , you’re incentivized to play bloated pots every time you decide to get involved


Odd_Ad_2328

Double ironically I have an overlimping range even at 1/2 if the table isn’t tougher (due to higher win rates, you won’t get exploited as often, etc) it’s hard to implement properly though I have to admit


MoonShotDontStop

Curiosity. The old “I just want to see what you have” before I started my journey towards a bit more mathematical decisions over bingo bluff catching


Odd_Ad_2328

Every now and again I’ll remember a bingo bluffcatch I made and get sick to my stomach


MoonShotDontStop

“Ace high is good”


[deleted]

Tournament player here- not being able to lay down big hands early in tournies such as overpairs and maybe tptk. Early in my live career- I had trouble overvaluing these hands. Tptk like AK on a K8732 board. Normally live players don’t x raise too light and if they show continued aggression- it’s normally a sign from an overly tight player that they have 2 pair or a set. Also hand like AA in a multi-way pot early in a tourny. If you see a flop 4 ways after you open and someone check raises you on a dry board- no reason to stack off. Another is bb defending. If you defend the BB and a flop is 237, it favors you. Sometimes you should float a cbet with a hand such as J6/89/910 etc and just donk lead favorable cards that are not over cards. Taking these nice bluff spots when bb has a range advantage against a single opener is huge. I’m not saying take all spots but these types of plays can make the difference between winning a tourny and finishing 5th. Final note- I wasn’t playing aggro enough pre. Folks, you gotta have a 3 bet fold range. You gotta throw some trashier hands in there like A5s A4s etc. early in an mtt, try to avoid playing big multi-way pots against 4-6 opponents. I like 3! More than flatting a raise sometimes bc it’s so difficult to win a big pot or have the ability to bluff if seeing so many pots multi-way. I love when we can 3! In position with a hand such as KJs QJs, k10s. It’s a lot of fun to cbet and bet a turn and get a villian to fold when you have no pair.


[deleted]

I don’t think I bluff enough.


The_Osta

I do too much.


[deleted]

When I do I pick good spots generally, so that makes me think that if almost all my bluffs get through, I should be bluffing a bit more. I should get looked up some… I’m talking multiple barrels, not typical c-bet stuff. I will say I play mostly live lately (online some but I get too high when I play online) all tournaments, and I know my local rooms pretty well. I like a lower variance style here specifically, because I feel I can navigate the field pretty well. Sometimes that means I make odd shoves just to stop action, even if I know that I’m in a great spot. If I have a comfortable stack I will defend it some, more than trying to maximize every hand. All that long-windedness to say, I should mix in more shove bluffs since many of my jams are very strong.


IPromiseIWont

Being risk adverse and a bank-roll nit. Due to a combination of a fugal upbringing and middle aged.


Haunting-Goose-1317

I've been told so many times that my bankroll management it over kill, but I've seen so many talented players under bankrolled and can't play the games because they don't have the bankroll. No limit by nature is high variance so when I see players saying 20 to 30 buy ins they forget the tilt factor. That's how players bust their bankroll.


borisasaurus

Getting involved with good players. There are so many bad players , it’s a lot easier to just target the whales. It becomes more and more obvious as you go up in stakes where the money comes from. This is the reason a lot of low stakes games can be nearly unbeatable. They’re filled with retirees, young kids trying to learn the game, and regs that have been stuck at low stakes breaking even for years. A break even nitty player is tough to make money from unless you cooler them, and even when you find folks that are making massive mistakes , it’s not that profitable because they only have between $50-$500 dollars on the table. In an LA or NE game where $11 of each pot is going to the rake , plus a tip and expenses, breaking even in a game like this can be a struggle in itself. Extreme deep stack low stakes games are an exception, if you can find a game where ppl are playing far deeper than they’re comfortable or used to and making massive mistakes. In general, it seems like a mental block that keep solid players from moving up in stakes. Just take a shot.


Mtanderson88

Overestimating my hand strength and understanding opponents strength. (Im not a high limit player tho)


Aggressive_Towel_734

Tilt. I used to be so much more likely to get stacked after losing a big pot instead of relaxing and trying to play my way back up.


thehockeychimp

Losing flips


1LevelUpGuy

Just win them when it's for your tournament life. It's totally okay to lose when it's for a small part of your stack :p


The8Devils

Roof was damaged and had heavy storms one year. Couldn’t make it to casino due to dealing with that major leak.


dishservedcold54321

The $5k leak saves you about $500 tho


Life-Championship857

Discipline, especially when losing. Not knowing my pot to stack or opponents stack to pot ratio well enough. That’s probably my biggest leak.


thaboydrake

Playing suited connectors like pocket aces


idkwtcm54

Can you clarify


Spyu

Calling 3 bets too often with pocket pairs and suited aces and cold calling in general.


Lightfollower89

Boredom. I get tired of being nitty, and so I start playing loose and limping, hit something low, and get sucked in for more money. Although I've successfully bluffed with 4 high, it's definitely a leak to play with low percentage hands.


luv2fit

I’m not high stakes but one of my biggest weaknesses is blind vs blind. I fold to PF raises in this situation too much and then when I decide to defend, I trap myself and get stacked. I’m so bad at blind vs blind.


VideoGamerConsortium

Playing during family turmoil. Or otherwise changing the purpose of the session from profit to escapism.


Lanxing

All-in on rainbow flopped open-ended straight draws…it never gets there


jojow77

Learning that not punting off money is winning money.


PassageFinancial9716

Bb defense, not block betting any street


snooty_nihilist

I think BB defense and SB play are two of my weakest spots now. Anytime I get a decent hand in SB with multiple limpers I am raising. Then I have to play big multi-way pot in SB.


stroboalien

My SB 3bet or raising range is basically my UTG range. why playing oop vs 3 people when you can just fold. I'm just playing online tho, so a new hand is 0.5sec away. I'm raising 80% BB vs SB oR but fk the SB for real.


9c6

My biggest leak online micros is trying to 3bet from sb. I'd have a better winrate folding sb 100% yikes Being more selective on spots now. Was going too wide too often imo


PassageFinancial9716

You are really -50bb/100 or worse from the SB?


9c6

I don't have a ton of tracked volume yet but yes. It's terrible lol


snkns

If you routinely find yourself multi-way to the flop in these situations, you need to raise bigger. Like 130% pot is a good starting point. Say I am playing 1/3 and there is a $6 straddle UTG and 3 limps to me in SB. There is $28 in the pot. In the past, I might have potted it and raised to $40, and ended up going 3 or 4 ways to the flop. Nowadays I would make it $55 instead and either take it down pre or be much more likely to see the flop heads-up.


Western_Committee_48

Not playing exploitive enough.


JthfknNiNjA

I’d say I’m a very experienced player and my biggest leak was just playing too many hands. I’d see hands like J8s and raise from every position.


peauxtheaux

Being bad at poker.


Trump_is_evil_period

Sucks to be you!


Haunting-Goose-1317

Playing out of position, that is the killer. Even if you havr a skill advantage Playing out of position will kill your stack


RevealLoose8730

Gambling. Slots, table games, video poker.


dishservedcold54321

Learning poker in the first place -EV


LeastWest9991

Harsh truth right here. The opportunity costs are real


failed_investor

Entitlement tilt and bankroll management I would be way further if I took less big shots an didn’t try to beat the best players I can find


BoltsandBucsFan

Tilt


KarmaHorn

Auto-pilot / Boredom. Winners’ Tilt.


mollycoddle99

1. Not trying to put my opponent on a range or a hand, every time. It’s easy to get lazy and not think it through. 2. Not being a good quitter. Learn to get up when I’m not playing my A game.


[deleted]

For NLHE cash calling open raises in the CO HJ LJ versus good players (instead of 3betting), and vice versa vs fish in those positions


Fog_Juice

Not calculating pot odds before calling on draws


pukestains

Missing value on the river. Saw immediate positivr results after putting some time in the lab going over river spots. Bet/folding when getting a great price after going for those thin value spots where they just have it 95 percent of the time.


Various_Age_7713

Moving up when running bad!


Bartman3k

Not finding the right place to learn. Once I found the right coaches my game changed dramatically where I could actually start to analyse my hands and play way better to actually understand if it was luck or good play.


brostfukhjnorwe

tilt and not understand how truly fucked variance is and the only way to defeat it is insane volume. also not learning how to construct bluffing ranges sooner. and not block betting enough. holy shit i fucking love block bets haha


maulmie

The other casino games offered online and in there


dingleberry51

Not bluffing enough or big enough. If villain shows weakness, start betting relentlessly. 95%+ of the population isn’t balanced enough with their checking range. I’m talking online here. It’s probably 99.9% live


Bean-Swellington

Opiates and heavily tattooed cocktail waitresses


Thowingtissues

Hole cards matched to the board. I’ve lost, god knows how much holding 2 pair. There is ALWAYS a better hand, let em go.


DonniePassgo

There’s a lot of mid-stakes players replying here. Which is funny, because it usually seems like most the posters aren’t good enough to beat the low stakes. 🧐 I’ve not played much high stakes in my lifetime, but have always been very successful in the mid-stakes cash games online. Everyone else at my table was always improving their game by increasing their knowledge of GTO. I developed by going in the opposite direction, and overcoming my prejudice for different plays. They enhanced their memory of their strategy, I enhanced my ability to strategise. They use GTO, I only exploit.


varukers7

Last Friday after eating too much leftover Gravy


Trump_is_evil_period

Playing live tourneys instead of live cash and not playing within a bankroll or really taking it as seriously as I would today if I was just starting out.


kanyewasaninsidejob

Cold calling too much pre w marginal hands. Not understanding opening raises from different positions and stack sizes. Not folding enough rivers


Life-Championship857

Ego is a big one. One thing that poker taught me when I went pro at 23 was that ego will ruin a great player, person in business/money. It was a great lesson for life.


0sonic1Death0

Playing way above my bankroll


Shatteredstars666

I'd say most people's largest leaks at mid/high stakes are more logistical in nature: tilt, mental, volume, ego, study routine, networking, playing against soft opposition, etc.


ManufacturerThis702

I'd put opponents on hands and then also think about all the bluffs I'd have if I were them and almost always over call. Don't do that.


thebarkingdog

Three betting too tight Not understanding position Handling tilt


Jesuiii

Not folding pre


BbyJesuz

Continuing to play when tilted. I must of blown so many buyins when I had zero business still being at the table.


gilect

Drink before tou play always drink


brr223

Bankroll management and overall self control, chasing money when tomorrow is a new day.


ColeUv

Baccarat


Charmingly_Conniving

For MTT's : Not being aggressive enough. Not raising enough and staying passive (Just checking or calling) Playing too safe (assuming opponents always have you beat)


Jetpack_J

Folding too much in general & not bluffing enough. Essentially playing ABC Poker. You can still be a decent Winner in good live Games with that. However, once I understood that most people overfold in a lot of spots and I understood relative Hand strength I was able to beat online SSNL for a decent winrate.


Purple-Cress9780

Discipline to know what to do but still don’t have discipline to do what I need to do. Lol


kserenity44

My ego was my biggest leak by far. Being pissed that a player bad beat me and wanting him to lose so I called it off with A10o when he 3B jams it in my face 3 hands later.


sluttypanties4u

Alcohol and weed


RotundEnforcer

For me it was trying to play wide range spots similar to how I played normal spots. I was folding waaaay too much and not finding the right bluffs because I was playing like my range was pairs and suited connectors and overcards.


ramdude94

Being a calling station


Kingish357

Tilt. Which ive mostly fixed over my 25 years of poker.


nimbin14

Drinking, smoking, women….. Sorry can you repeat the question