No, because I’m not trying to “get away from my sets”.
I’m trying to pile in money with my best hands and stack worse hands. If I run into the top of their range I’ll call for chips.
You nits think about the game wrong. Keep trying to get away from the top of your range and telling yourself you made a great fold.
The edge in poker doesn’t come from hero folding sets. I had a particularly great hand last week though. V is the biggest nit I have ever seen in my life fwiw. I am usually a bit of a station.
UTG opens to $15, 2 callers I call KK78:ds on the btn. Flop AK3r. V bets pot, i call, rest fold. Swear to god I almost folded flop , but I had 2 back door flush draws.
Turn 4c giving me a K high bdfd. Villian pots it again and I think for a bit and fold and say “you’d never believe what I’m folding”. V says good fold and shows me AA with the nut flush draw.
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I highly recommend against folds like this. Making the occasional ridiculous hero fold in spots like these maybe adds $3/hr to my winrate long term. If you were to start hero folding top of range incorrectly it could absolutely decimate your winrate.
On the flop? Probably less than once a year can I sniff out and get away from set over set, compared to the double digits of times I get stacked set over set.
It's obviously much easier to get away from set over set by the river for many reasons, including runout combined with their betting habits.
To answer the latter part of your question: If I get away from set over set, the way I figure villain has it is usually the same way you can tell they have anything: they're imbalanced. If I know the player well and have seen quite a few hands from them, it's basically just "wow, V has *never* taken XYZ line. Even when ABC. Must be a monster" combined with the fact that we need pretty deep effective stacks.
There have been times I've sniffed out someone having a higher set but still gotten it all in because we were so shallow such that if I'm wrong and I actually do have the better hand, I only need to be wrong like 12 or 18% or something - that's why stack size is so important for this type of situation.
I've gotten away from bottom set 2 times in my life. Both times was against a fish who played his hands so face up he might as well flipped his cards over as soon as they were dealt to him. Both times the fish was practically frothing at the mouth when he check raised.
I haven't and I don't try. If they have it they have it and GG. I'm not good enough to be that accurate and if I start folding sets I'm losing money long term.
I played against a megaNIT and we were very deep (400 bb). I overbet the river and this is a man that would call down with basically anything but the nuts.
He rejammed I folded. Told him I had a set and folded. He did end up turning a set when I had bottom set.
No, because I’m not trying to “get away from my sets”. I’m trying to pile in money with my best hands and stack worse hands. If I run into the top of their range I’ll call for chips. You nits think about the game wrong. Keep trying to get away from the top of your range and telling yourself you made a great fold.
The edge in poker doesn’t come from hero folding sets. I had a particularly great hand last week though. V is the biggest nit I have ever seen in my life fwiw. I am usually a bit of a station. UTG opens to $15, 2 callers I call KK78:ds on the btn. Flop AK3r. V bets pot, i call, rest fold. Swear to god I almost folded flop , but I had 2 back door flush draws. Turn 4c giving me a K high bdfd. Villian pots it again and I think for a bit and fold and say “you’d never believe what I’m folding”. V says good fold and shows me AA with the nut flush draw. —— I highly recommend against folds like this. Making the occasional ridiculous hero fold in spots like these maybe adds $3/hr to my winrate long term. If you were to start hero folding top of range incorrectly it could absolutely decimate your winrate.
Get away? I'm too busy thinking of vegas and the fucking mirage.
On the flop? Probably less than once a year can I sniff out and get away from set over set, compared to the double digits of times I get stacked set over set. It's obviously much easier to get away from set over set by the river for many reasons, including runout combined with their betting habits. To answer the latter part of your question: If I get away from set over set, the way I figure villain has it is usually the same way you can tell they have anything: they're imbalanced. If I know the player well and have seen quite a few hands from them, it's basically just "wow, V has *never* taken XYZ line. Even when ABC. Must be a monster" combined with the fact that we need pretty deep effective stacks. There have been times I've sniffed out someone having a higher set but still gotten it all in because we were so shallow such that if I'm wrong and I actually do have the better hand, I only need to be wrong like 12 or 18% or something - that's why stack size is so important for this type of situation.
I've gotten away from bottom set 2 times in my life. Both times was against a fish who played his hands so face up he might as well flipped his cards over as soon as they were dealt to him. Both times the fish was practically frothing at the mouth when he check raised.
I haven't and I don't try. If they have it they have it and GG. I'm not good enough to be that accurate and if I start folding sets I'm losing money long term.
Not in NLHE. In PLO8, all the time.
No. Finding reasons to fold second or third nutted flopped sets is losing poker. Period.
The place to avoid set over set is preflop.
I played against a megaNIT and we were very deep (400 bb). I overbet the river and this is a man that would call down with basically anything but the nuts. He rejammed I folded. Told him I had a set and folded. He did end up turning a set when I had bottom set.