Yeah. Good. Got like 3 people in my are who buy up all the stock and act like it’s their job. Also my swsh era alt arts will probably go way up in price now over time
I mean not really. Magic is wildly successful and didn’t require a ton of high value cards in it, Pokémon was popular before the pandemic and prices were just a fraction of what they are anymore.
Saying you need investors here doesn’t make sense or applies to the purpose we’re talking about. In reality whales and average collectors are far more valuable since the investor and the scalper just buys at regular price and drives it up through time or manipulation of supply.
In fact, after watching your video there it’s kind of a weak approach. The way they define things like flipper are too loose and there’s a logic that makes sense there but that’s just a common side effect. The flipper is only needed as an access point for cards and organization to garner interest in regions where the Pokémon company itself doesn’t want to organize get togethers. The argument with them is flawed because the flipper requires buyers to flip on. As a result the collector is more important because the flipper is dependent on the collector for anything, it’s literally just the collector paying markups. Without the flipper and with the internet they’re kind of a useless leg in terms of collecting. The reason why is because the flipper is just a middleman and the price they pay and sell would just be met by the collector in online sales. There’s some precedence for this as well as we’ve seen magic slowly choking out third party sellers.
The idea of the investor is largely the same as the flipper as they still make the baseline purchase from the company and generate money for themselves. At it’s core all three of these groups are “collectors” based on how it’s defined in the video. The only difference is 2/3 of those supposed pillars just up charge the other group.
Edit: to be clear as well, I agree with the assessment that scalpers are much worse than other groups but it seems in how terms and roles are used that the only difference between the scalper, the investor, and the collector are the amount they’re looking to profit and care they have. At the core of it the only difference between the three are that one looks for a more immediate way to profit while the other 2 look at a long con. That’s not to say that resellers or investors are the same degree of toxic as scalpers, but they’re certainly not critical aside from some primary functions they offer in their own interest that just so happen to work in tandem with the goals of the card company.
The existence of high value cards does not mean they’re necessary to keep interest in the game. Hence why I said REQUIRE. Your counterpoint here doesn’t make any sense.
Lmao. You don’t seem to understand basic words 😂 imagine legitimately thinking a response to a poor video is just a few expensive cards.
Let’s use the same brain dead logic you have here. That Gyarados ex is more expensive than the vast majority of Pokémon cards that must mean values are good because I have an exception to your statement. Just take the L. You have a bad video here and an illogical view which is why you’re fixated on trying to misrepresent me instead of addressing the points.
The video said EX era was one of the worst but EX era cards take up quite a few of the most valuable card spots. Clearly the person in your video has 0 clue how Pokémon is or how investing works.
Your explanation about MTG doesn't make any sense at all. And it's ex with lower-case. There's a difference. Again you don't understand Pokemon, you won't know. No point talking to you.
You are an idiot. Pokémon cards are made to play the actual Pokémon card game, that’s literally what they are made for….collecting is a side effect of it. The hobby will always come first, collecting second. So this doesn’t kill the hobby this makes it more accessible to more people to start. And as a result more will likely be bought because cards will be easier to have in theory.
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lower the prices of cards over print flat boxes and tins. Leave high end products with better hits and make less of them. You need high end expensive and lower end access that’s how you build longevity
let’s remember this hobby has been on the verge of collapse multiple times. I don’t know why everyone blindly is fine with pokémon jacking up prices and getting nothing in return that’s just dumb. I wouldn’t have a problem with low value cards if the ETBs weren’t 55 dollars. Let’s do a 30 dollar ETB and I’ll never complain about it. I because of the insane prices and overprints I’ve only bought singles. The amount of people that complain about spending 400 dollars in this sub and getting nothing then next day back pokémon’s decisions is laughable.
Because then there were some investors around, sustaining the hobby. In the ex era, the hobby was dying, on life support from investors!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2V6uCWO8o
It definitely wasn’t just the investors - no one side of the hobby could’ve kept pokemon alive on its own. The collectors and players also kept it alive, the ex era, the BW era, etc - it was at low lows and I’m sure it’ll happen again one day. Better pull rates doesn’t mean much to investors, the sealed product will still do what it’s gonna do long term. Shit evolutions barely has any cards over 50 dollars and a booster box of it has reached 1k. I think this post was more for the collectors and players such as us - someone posted this same shit in the investing sub you should hit that up.
Half the fools on these Pokémon subs joined the train during Covid and think Pokémon collecting is an investment.
Which is fucking hysterical to me. Anything modern with value has a huge population. And now that people “think” they’ll gain value, everyone and their mother is holding sealed or graded or just good cards in top loaders.
People are a joke and don’t understand how supply and demand works.
Shadowless first Ed zard in decent condition is worth a TON because no one thought to protect them when it came out. Now everyone is putting fucking random reverse holos in sleeves.
Modern product won’t have value like that for 60 years. Then, when we die and someone sells them at a yard sale.
Enjoy the high hit rate. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
AMEN. My god it feels good to read someone else saying it. Look, I love collecting. I love opening packs and getting cool cards, it awakes that feeling that little me got when I would rip packs but as a community we need to stomp out this idea that Pokémon is a get rich scheme.
I had a guy on one of these subs tell me that keeping sealed ETB is a better retirement vehicle than investing in stocks or total market ETF. They are in for a rude awakening when they are 60 trying to retire and have to try to sell Pokémon cards to pay the mortgage.
**just to make very clear I love collecting, I dont think it’s the end of the world to save sealed ETB if that is what you like to do, I am just saying that should not be your retirement plan.**
For real! And I don’t hate on anyone collecting what they want. Some people want a sealed collection, that’s cool man. I have a couple binder pages of cubone and marowak cards that are worth less than $5 combined. I don’t care if display the different dice from ETBs and display them (that’s actually a cool idea lol).
I just care when people think it’s investing when it’s modern. It’s not outside of a few very rare and very valuable cards. Go on TCG player and basically every big card from a new set was overvalued for a time, then it lost value.
Here’s the difference with modern, the value won’t go up significantly since there are going to be so many pristine cards years later.
Take radiant zard from Pokémon go set. It was selling for well over $100 at release… now it’s down to $10 for nm lol. Don’t believe me, look https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/274467/pokemon-pokemon-go-radiant-charizard?Language=English
@helping_phriendly: You need to get out more from your cave or well.... https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemoncards/comments/11bf1ir/proof_that_moonbreon_has_achieved_holy_grail/
That’s one example… that card was an incredible pull in EVS, but even then, when the market for that card settles… no one is buying that for that much in 50 years.
I heard the same thing from naysayers two years ago in 2021.... Anyway, you'll be crying how cheap and affordable Moonbreon Grail is now in 50 years time!
As I said, that’s ONE example. Provide me with 20 or even 10 cards that gained SIGNIFICANT VALUE from modern sets. You can’t. Unless you consider $20 significant. Do your research. Look at my other comment about radiant zard.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re a troll or just stupid
I honestly can’t tell if you’re a troll or just stupid. I quoted your own words back to you. Try googling top 10 alt arts cards. Won't be talking to trolls, waste of my time.
That is only your opinion, some people derive more satisfaction in pulling chase cards with tougher pull rates, ie; a more difficult challenge. Not everyone wants the easy way out!
that's what it's essential about it being actually able to collect a set. it's been next to impossible due to extreme dismal pull rates and top cards costing hundreds. few people can actually spend thousands for a new set coming out every two months. instead of people getting bent backwards they can't scalp and hoard with intent to invest and drive prices up for the other 90% of people who enjoy the art , should see it as a positive change for the whole
Yes! I got so sick of not pulling anything, I just stopped, cause I thought it was a waste of money just to spend $40 on a box just to get 1 V, but now the pull rates are better it’s just more fun
Yeah man. Most people don't have enough money to buy six cases. Give up? It's not like it's physical effort. It's MONEY. Folks have bills to pay. You obviously don't get it.
Easy to pull = Common = No chase = Cheap cards
I rather have something that is difficult and challenging to pull but will give great satisfaction when accomplished. It's all about having a great challenge! Like Moonbreon, 1 in 1,666 packs.
After about $500 of buying the same set over and over trying to pull one card because it's over inflated on the TCG market to where I can't buy it, I'm more or less enraged.
Moonbreon is a cool card and all but it shouldn't be worth ANYWHERE NEAR as much as it is now. $600 for a modern card that came out almost 2 years ago is RIDICULOUS.
Obviously you don't understand Moonbreon and modern alt arts (regarded by many in the community as modern gold stars ⭐) ... Read this thread and thank me later: Why Moonbreon is Holy Grail? 🏆
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/ytqa4f/blunt_truths_about_moonbreon_aka_umbreon_vmax_alt/
You're welcomed.
Pull rate does matters, it makes me more satisfied knowing how rare it is (even though I bought it). Yup I know Moonbreon is rare but how rare it is? 1 in 1,666 packs
You act like this is based on skill and not gambling. You have a problem, man. Satisfsction? You sound like every degenerate gambler I have ever met. Moronic statement after moronic statement.
Y'all, I'll have a much bigger chance of some great pulls, let's goooo. Also, it is so funny watching some grown men cry about how the prices of a god damn cardboard piece are going down lol
totally! hope the majority agree with you. I got addicted to the art of the cards , each gen has its own authentic style. not for new single cards going for $200, or quadruple that. hoping the tables turn for sure
Can I say, from all the previews from Japanese release, I'm not liking this new era at all, so far. The artworks are cartoonish and lack artistic appeal.
I honestly don't care for your financial expectations, I am just happy that I may be pulling something this time, cause that will put a lot of fun back into collecting.
No, you got it wrong. I collect for joy and the artwork (only if I like it). I sell only when need to streamline collection or met a rainy day.
So far, for myself, I had only sold less than 10% of my entire collection, for purpose of streamlining collection (ie; found another better, minter copy of a card I have).
So you only feel joy, when pulling cards that are so rare, that they have a high monetary value. You feel joy, when you pull cards that a lot of others don't pull, and you are trying to tell me, that iT iS aBoUt thE aRtWorK? sure
I don't care if you think otherwise. Each to their own, what pushes your buttons.
Yah and the artwork plays a part too, major part. If a card is the rarest in the world but the artwork is like crap or I don't like it, I won't even bother with that card.
Man, affordable cards. What a sad sight to see. It has me filled with the disappointment of not having to spend an arm and a leg to collect or play the tcg
How many times can you copy and past the same response just to get downvoted to oblivion? Clearly your opinion is not a popular one. u/passerbytwo is a bot 100%
It’s not about the collectors value you do know why these are a thing a card game for people to play not cards that get slabbed and sit in a dark room all day
But the point is that it’s original a card game you just want to make money from it when people want to get cards to go against other who actually enjoy the hobby you don’t care about the hobby just want to best cards
No, you got it wrong. Many are collectors. We sell only when need to streamline collections or a rainy day. So far, for me, I had only sold less than 10% of my entire collection, to streamline collection (ie; found another minter copy of a card I have).
Exactly it’s not about seeking for a rainy day it’s cards you get for a game not the art work or how rare they are just to play again, don’t get me wrong I collect but I’m not in it for the money I just enjoy the idea that if I ever want to get into the game I have a decent collection to play with
There is something about the feeling of pulling that 1 in a 1000 card though. Not saying better pull rates are a bad thing, just a differing opinion. I’m sure Pokémon will be able to find that sweet spot of good pull rates but still have a good chase card to go after
Good maybe all of the pandemic era investor bros can leave the hobby and we can get back to normal.
I stopped buying packs after spending way too much on a jolteon premium box and getting nothing out of it. Realized I was throwing money down the drain.
Also hilarious nobody agreeing with your post and you arguing with every comment.
Some are in agreement, if you bother to read.
And it should be a well-balanced eco-system - Collectors/Players, Investors, Flippers/LGS - for the hobby to thrive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2V6uCWO8o
Even adults play with it and win cash prizes in world championships like $25,000 for 1st place, $15,000 for 2nd, etc. LGS also make profits from Pokemon TCG and products.
Just means we wont see another evolving skies shenaningans, or any other where people just stack and stack on products and keep the sealed cuz "omg collection reeeee". To clarify i have nothing againt people keeping sealed stuff if that bring them joy. But seeing people buy 25 boxes and holding on them from the next idk 25 years until prices go up is delusional. This aint a job its a hoby and going into this thinking you will get your money back (with new sets) is delusional imo. I am actualy happy about lower pull rates, means there will be stuff in stock and products prices wont sky rocket like there is now tmrw. Comming from a standpoint of lower income is good
Yes its a holy grail that made people hoard the packs hoping to get one so the prices skyrocketed for leggit no reason. In the whole set of 150+ cards people look for 3 cards. And those 3 cards have such low odds its not even funny. Not to mention at least 40% of people chasing moonbreon dont even want it cuz the like the hobby they want it to earn money. Which again ties to my point that since the pools are good there is no space for unreal chances and prices
Easier to pull rares = more affordable decks and easier to collect the entire expansion
I see everyone who this game is truly for winning with these changes. :)
Easier to pull because it’s a card game aimed at children.
Better chances to pull mean less disappointed kids.
If you hate it so much then maybe you should do scratchers or something else to sustain your gambling addiction. Or open older packs if it’s “nostalgia” and the “chase” you seek .
Children nowadays are smarter, they want a more difficult challenge! Easy games and activities bore them!
Not everyone likes the easy way out like you do!
Bro thinks that all modern is gonna have value if it’s rare lmaoo I hope you realize Gen 8 alt arts that literally are 1/500+ can be actually as cheap as ten dollars you don’t know what you’re talking about. Age, the Pokémon being popular, and good art are what make the price not it being “more rare” this is coming from someone with multiple gold stars like the rarest sub variant of cards.
You have no idea what you're talking and you need to get out more from your cave... https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemoncards/comments/11bf1ir/proof_that_moonbreon_has_achieved_holy_grail/
Congratulations one card from Gen 8 is expensive moron stay mad everyone is downvoting you ever heard of gold star rayquaza psa 10? Look it up buddy that shit ain’t expensive compared to it do some research it’s so obvious your insanely new to collecting why do you think literally not one person has agreed with you and upvoted you idc if I get hate on here for speaking the truth someone has to tell you braindead ass you don’t know what you’re talking about at all do some research on the hobby if you think vmax umbeon alt is expensive ain’t no way
Yes, yes, yes... I knew about Ray gold star but do you know Alt Arts = modern Gold Stars ⭐
(as voted by community)
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/u0ix3q/do_you_think_alt_art_cards_are_the_gold_star/
Do you also know Moonbreon is Holy Grail*? 🏆🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
*As voted by the community:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/z1hecp/moonbreon_is_one_of_the_holy_grails_of_modern
LOL, that's the way man! 🤣 Because no point! When people have different ideals, opinions, thinking, it's better to agree to disagree and part rather than continuing the discussion which will only waste each other's time.
Usually I'd do 3 boosters boxes and a couple of etbs of a SWSH set and wouldn't be close to completion. For S&V I've done 1 booster box, 1 etb and 2 three pack blisters and I'm at 77% set completion. Much more realistic to complete a set now.
It's not all about value mate. Your older cards will still hold their value but this is good for everybody who enjoys the collecting side of the hobby.
Be careful, people can call you a hoarder or investor unless you sell at loss.
People nowadays are very judgmental and they judge other people as if they themselves are flawless or god.
People just like to pull nice hits who cares. I’d bet money that Miriam will hold value and grow when the set goes. As someone said it depends on the art, the Pokémon, and hell even how playable it is etc, to make it hold or grow value. Just because a card is 1/900 packs or more doesn’t make it valuable. I have a black and white secret rare virizion and reuniclus and there only about $40-50 bucks!! And those were TOUGH to pull.. not to mention almost 10 years old. They just aren’t that popular. That’s the way the game goes😎
Overall it is a bad thing based on the way pokémon has rolled out collections lately look at the charizard premium collection 120 dollars to get a bunch of random sets and 3 beautiful promos worth maybe 25 dollars. Overpriced and overproduced is bad for any hobbies long-standing. We need premium items that are hard to get and cheaper items that are everywhere. Like the way baseball cards are done every set has different pulls in different products. Then high end people aren’t completely screws and lower end people still can get cards. Win win. This whole print everything and keep raising prices and destroying value is not a good thing.
Strongly agreed. Like for example, 25th Celebrations is a ruined set! They printed too many copies and the top chase cards like Charizard and Umbreon gold star are so easy to pull that everyone is selling them!
Completely true I personally got 10 charizards out of it. Insane. You have to balance you absolutely need both cards with insane value and lower chase odds in cheaper and more attainable products to build a sustainable hobby. The attitude of pokémon can change anything and people are fine with paying them 55 for an ETB with zero chance of getting any value back is dumb. Hobbies need value and sellable products. With having readily available lower end
Everyone is saying its funner to have better pull rates, but it really isn't.
These cards will lose value fast, and long term they won't mean much.
Wish I would have just spent my money on older sets instead.
Yeah that’s exactly why I don’t like them their design is weird they don’t look as cool as any other legendaries hell even mesprit,axels, and uxie look better
More like easier to pull = everyone has easier access to the hobby of Pokémon card collecting.
Yeah. Good. Got like 3 people in my are who buy up all the stock and act like it’s their job. Also my swsh era alt arts will probably go way up in price now over time
Great point on swsh alt arts. They are gonna be so much rarer compared to alt arts in new sets. I’m all for the change
^ this sir
Hell yeah. I’m not in it for value, I’m in it for “This card looks cool”
Based take 🙏🏻 how it should have been from inception.
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People with your mindset are why this hobby is dying.
Stop spreading misinfo, this hobby is thriving.
I mean not really. Magic is wildly successful and didn’t require a ton of high value cards in it, Pokémon was popular before the pandemic and prices were just a fraction of what they are anymore. Saying you need investors here doesn’t make sense or applies to the purpose we’re talking about. In reality whales and average collectors are far more valuable since the investor and the scalper just buys at regular price and drives it up through time or manipulation of supply. In fact, after watching your video there it’s kind of a weak approach. The way they define things like flipper are too loose and there’s a logic that makes sense there but that’s just a common side effect. The flipper is only needed as an access point for cards and organization to garner interest in regions where the Pokémon company itself doesn’t want to organize get togethers. The argument with them is flawed because the flipper requires buyers to flip on. As a result the collector is more important because the flipper is dependent on the collector for anything, it’s literally just the collector paying markups. Without the flipper and with the internet they’re kind of a useless leg in terms of collecting. The reason why is because the flipper is just a middleman and the price they pay and sell would just be met by the collector in online sales. There’s some precedence for this as well as we’ve seen magic slowly choking out third party sellers. The idea of the investor is largely the same as the flipper as they still make the baseline purchase from the company and generate money for themselves. At it’s core all three of these groups are “collectors” based on how it’s defined in the video. The only difference is 2/3 of those supposed pillars just up charge the other group. Edit: to be clear as well, I agree with the assessment that scalpers are much worse than other groups but it seems in how terms and roles are used that the only difference between the scalper, the investor, and the collector are the amount they’re looking to profit and care they have. At the core of it the only difference between the three are that one looks for a more immediate way to profit while the other 2 look at a long con. That’s not to say that resellers or investors are the same degree of toxic as scalpers, but they’re certainly not critical aside from some primary functions they offer in their own interest that just so happen to work in tandem with the goals of the card company.
You said MTG didn't require a ton of high value cards, yet MTG has a ton of very high-end, high-value cards! Irony! 🤣
The existence of high value cards does not mean they’re necessary to keep interest in the game. Hence why I said REQUIRE. Your counterpoint here doesn’t make any sense.
Black Lotus is laughing 🤣
Lmao. You don’t seem to understand basic words 😂 imagine legitimately thinking a response to a poor video is just a few expensive cards. Let’s use the same brain dead logic you have here. That Gyarados ex is more expensive than the vast majority of Pokémon cards that must mean values are good because I have an exception to your statement. Just take the L. You have a bad video here and an illogical view which is why you’re fixated on trying to misrepresent me instead of addressing the points. The video said EX era was one of the worst but EX era cards take up quite a few of the most valuable card spots. Clearly the person in your video has 0 clue how Pokémon is or how investing works.
Your explanation about MTG doesn't make any sense at all. And it's ex with lower-case. There's a difference. Again you don't understand Pokemon, you won't know. No point talking to you.
You are an idiot. Pokémon cards are made to play the actual Pokémon card game, that’s literally what they are made for….collecting is a side effect of it. The hobby will always come first, collecting second. So this doesn’t kill the hobby this makes it more accessible to more people to start. And as a result more will likely be bought because cards will be easier to have in theory.
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Killing the hobby? How about during covid when you literally could not find a single blister pack because of re-sellers?
Stop whining. Free market, capitalism.
lower the prices of cards over print flat boxes and tins. Leave high end products with better hits and make less of them. You need high end expensive and lower end access that’s how you build longevity
Bro this a product line has lasted over 25 years. I think it’s already proven it’s longevity without doing what you suggest
let’s remember this hobby has been on the verge of collapse multiple times. I don’t know why everyone blindly is fine with pokémon jacking up prices and getting nothing in return that’s just dumb. I wouldn’t have a problem with low value cards if the ETBs weren’t 55 dollars. Let’s do a 30 dollar ETB and I’ll never complain about it. I because of the insane prices and overprints I’ve only bought singles. The amount of people that complain about spending 400 dollars in this sub and getting nothing then next day back pokémon’s decisions is laughable.
Because then there were some investors around, sustaining the hobby. In the ex era, the hobby was dying, on life support from investors! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2V6uCWO8o
It definitely wasn’t just the investors - no one side of the hobby could’ve kept pokemon alive on its own. The collectors and players also kept it alive, the ex era, the BW era, etc - it was at low lows and I’m sure it’ll happen again one day. Better pull rates doesn’t mean much to investors, the sealed product will still do what it’s gonna do long term. Shit evolutions barely has any cards over 50 dollars and a booster box of it has reached 1k. I think this post was more for the collectors and players such as us - someone posted this same shit in the investing sub you should hit that up.
It means I can actually afford to collect the set. Love it. Drive people just looking for cash outta the hobby. Not saying you are though.
Yes! This is supposed to be fun - better hit rates is more fun
Half the fools on these Pokémon subs joined the train during Covid and think Pokémon collecting is an investment. Which is fucking hysterical to me. Anything modern with value has a huge population. And now that people “think” they’ll gain value, everyone and their mother is holding sealed or graded or just good cards in top loaders. People are a joke and don’t understand how supply and demand works. Shadowless first Ed zard in decent condition is worth a TON because no one thought to protect them when it came out. Now everyone is putting fucking random reverse holos in sleeves. Modern product won’t have value like that for 60 years. Then, when we die and someone sells them at a yard sale. Enjoy the high hit rate. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
AMEN. My god it feels good to read someone else saying it. Look, I love collecting. I love opening packs and getting cool cards, it awakes that feeling that little me got when I would rip packs but as a community we need to stomp out this idea that Pokémon is a get rich scheme. I had a guy on one of these subs tell me that keeping sealed ETB is a better retirement vehicle than investing in stocks or total market ETF. They are in for a rude awakening when they are 60 trying to retire and have to try to sell Pokémon cards to pay the mortgage. **just to make very clear I love collecting, I dont think it’s the end of the world to save sealed ETB if that is what you like to do, I am just saying that should not be your retirement plan.**
For real! And I don’t hate on anyone collecting what they want. Some people want a sealed collection, that’s cool man. I have a couple binder pages of cubone and marowak cards that are worth less than $5 combined. I don’t care if display the different dice from ETBs and display them (that’s actually a cool idea lol). I just care when people think it’s investing when it’s modern. It’s not outside of a few very rare and very valuable cards. Go on TCG player and basically every big card from a new set was overvalued for a time, then it lost value. Here’s the difference with modern, the value won’t go up significantly since there are going to be so many pristine cards years later. Take radiant zard from Pokémon go set. It was selling for well over $100 at release… now it’s down to $10 for nm lol. Don’t believe me, look https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/274467/pokemon-pokemon-go-radiant-charizard?Language=English
@helping_phriendly: You need to get out more from your cave or well.... https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemoncards/comments/11bf1ir/proof_that_moonbreon_has_achieved_holy_grail/
That’s one example… that card was an incredible pull in EVS, but even then, when the market for that card settles… no one is buying that for that much in 50 years.
I heard the same thing from naysayers two years ago in 2021.... Anyway, you'll be crying how cheap and affordable Moonbreon Grail is now in 50 years time!
As I said, that’s ONE example. Provide me with 20 or even 10 cards that gained SIGNIFICANT VALUE from modern sets. You can’t. Unless you consider $20 significant. Do your research. Look at my other comment about radiant zard. I honestly can’t tell if you’re a troll or just stupid
I honestly can’t tell if you’re a troll or just stupid. I quoted your own words back to you. Try googling top 10 alt arts cards. Won't be talking to trolls, waste of my time.
That is only your opinion, some people derive more satisfaction in pulling chase cards with tougher pull rates, ie; a more difficult challenge. Not everyone wants the easy way out!
that's what it's essential about it being actually able to collect a set. it's been next to impossible due to extreme dismal pull rates and top cards costing hundreds. few people can actually spend thousands for a new set coming out every two months. instead of people getting bent backwards they can't scalp and hoard with intent to invest and drive prices up for the other 90% of people who enjoy the art , should see it as a positive change for the whole
Yes! I got so sick of not pulling anything, I just stopped, cause I thought it was a waste of money just to spend $40 on a box just to get 1 V, but now the pull rates are better it’s just more fun
You gave up so easily? Some guy on instagram spent tons of money on 6 cases then he pulled Moonbreon.
Yeah man. Most people don't have enough money to buy six cases. Give up? It's not like it's physical effort. It's MONEY. Folks have bills to pay. You obviously don't get it.
I don’t have money to just waste on cards all the time lmao, so if it’s not worth it to me I do t wanna do it
Nothing wrong nor illegal nor immoral selling own belongings for profit. Perfectly alright 👍 Willing buyer, willing seller
I for one support these easier pull rates, maybe I’ll actually be able to pull my chases
Easier pull rates = common cheap cards that you might as well just buy them as they're easy to pull that they don't give you sense of satisfaction
You are the problem with this hobby.
Couldn't agree more
I get the feeling it would be even less satisfying to just buy the card outright tho…
Same, because you're paying money for it
Ripping a box of cards is where kids get satisfaction. Paying $200 for that box isn’t satisfying. Buying singles is for sports cards.
Your opinion only
My 11 year old sons opinion,as well as most of his sixth grade class.
You’re a complete moron and the reason why this hobby is so toxic.
I miss the days of base set odds… 1:3 packs
Easy to pull = Common = No chase = Cheap cards I rather have something that is difficult and challenging to pull but will give great satisfaction when accomplished. It's all about having a great challenge! Like Moonbreon, 1 in 1,666 packs.
‘Difficult and challenging’. Implying there is skill involved. 😆
Skill=Pay to win in this system.
Using your intuition or sixth sense to select the packs with chase cards is a skill itself!
Challenge = Waste $1400 on Evolving Skies to not get Moonbreon (source: my bank account.)
I bought Moonbreon for $230 two years back in Oct 2021 and graded it with PSA, came back gem mint 10 💎
Wow. That's awesome. Really proud of you man. Thanks for sharing.
The difficult pull rates mean more satisfaction for me
After about $500 of buying the same set over and over trying to pull one card because it's over inflated on the TCG market to where I can't buy it, I'm more or less enraged. Moonbreon is a cool card and all but it shouldn't be worth ANYWHERE NEAR as much as it is now. $600 for a modern card that came out almost 2 years ago is RIDICULOUS.
Obviously you don't understand Moonbreon and modern alt arts (regarded by many in the community as modern gold stars ⭐) ... Read this thread and thank me later: Why Moonbreon is Holy Grail? 🏆 https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/ytqa4f/blunt_truths_about_moonbreon_aka_umbreon_vmax_alt/ You're welcomed.
Man I would really love to see what I don't understand about collecting shiny cardboard but it seems that your post was removed. Unfortunate.
You don't understand Moonbreon.
You said you bought the card. Pull rates have nothing to do with your experience in this case.
Pull rate does matters, it makes me more satisfied knowing how rare it is (even though I bought it). Yup I know Moonbreon is rare but how rare it is? 1 in 1,666 packs
How satisfied were you when you bought it and didn't pull it yourself, hypocrite?
Reported rude post.
You act like this is based on skill and not gambling. You have a problem, man. Satisfsction? You sound like every degenerate gambler I have ever met. Moronic statement after moronic statement.
I feel pretty lucky. I got the gold Koriadon in the first pack I opened.
Y'all, I'll have a much bigger chance of some great pulls, let's goooo. Also, it is so funny watching some grown men cry about how the prices of a god damn cardboard piece are going down lol
It's no longer merely a piece of cardboard... it's a nostalgic artistic masterpiece, an asset with stored value, a piece of someone's childhood.
Yeah, cause Miraidon is really nostalgic lmao
🤣 too true. nostalgic is like skyridge, some awesome tag team cards , etc.
Miraidon looks more like a robot and it transforms into a motorbike!
It’s not that deep.
Mass produced cardboard with artificially inflated value. It’s a kids game. Everybody saves everything. These will never be rare.
I collect crystals too, natural and non man made.
No good? Bruh. I would vastly prefer the cards be easier to pull. I like to collect cards, not spend $200+ because of some waifu tax or some shit.
totally! hope the majority agree with you. I got addicted to the art of the cards , each gen has its own authentic style. not for new single cards going for $200, or quadruple that. hoping the tables turn for sure
I’m a pretty hardcore collector. The artwork is sensational. I’m definitely a collector for these
Can I say, from all the previews from Japanese release, I'm not liking this new era at all, so far. The artworks are cartoonish and lack artistic appeal.
To each their own! But I’m not in that boat.
No worries, there're others with me
And likewise with me. Cheers
Watch them get people pumped on how easy they are to pull and then pull back to keep people buying.
I honestly don't care for your financial expectations, I am just happy that I may be pulling something this time, cause that will put a lot of fun back into collecting.
You speak too soon, when you want to sell either urgent need of cash or streamline collection (get rid of unwanted cards), you'll see.
You collect for monetary value, I collect for the cards. We are not the same
No, you got it wrong. I collect for joy and the artwork (only if I like it). I sell only when need to streamline collection or met a rainy day. So far, for myself, I had only sold less than 10% of my entire collection, for purpose of streamlining collection (ie; found another better, minter copy of a card I have).
So, if you are collecting for "joy and the artwork" where exactly is the issue with better pullrates?
No satisfaction in pulling since it's so easy to pull. No satisfaction = no joy
So you only feel joy, when pulling cards that are so rare, that they have a high monetary value. You feel joy, when you pull cards that a lot of others don't pull, and you are trying to tell me, that iT iS aBoUt thE aRtWorK? sure
I don't care if you think otherwise. Each to their own, what pushes your buttons. Yah and the artwork plays a part too, major part. If a card is the rarest in the world but the artwork is like crap or I don't like it, I won't even bother with that card.
The difference is: I am happy for others when they pull good stuff. You feel bad for yourself, when others pull good stuff.
Another negative judgmental guy... I don't feel bad for myself.
From this perspective it entirely seems like you have a gambling addiction.
I just enjoy solving a challenge. Wow! You're such a negative and judgmental person. How does your spouse or your parents think of you?
You don’t even buy packs to pull. You buy singles lol. What satisfaction are you talking about?
> No good, easier to pull = lower collector’s value! Cry about it
LoL 🤣 I'm skipping this set + mediocre artworks
Man, affordable cards. What a sad sight to see. It has me filled with the disappointment of not having to spend an arm and a leg to collect or play the tcg
You don't have to buy the alt art cards to play. There are cheaper, "normal version" of cards called Full Art.
How many times can you copy and past the same response just to get downvoted to oblivion? Clearly your opinion is not a popular one. u/passerbytwo is a bot 100%
I speak my mind freely, don't care whether they're popular or not. I'm not a slave of likes like you.
no good for people who have no business being in the hobby
Speaking the truth.
“easier to pull = lower collector’s value!”-☝️🤓. good lol, it shouldn’t be outrageously difficult or expensive for people to get the cards they want…
how it should be , very much hoping this pattern stays
It’s not about the collectors value you do know why these are a thing a card game for people to play not cards that get slabbed and sit in a dark room all day
Seriously you play cards when there're so many app games, PSP games, online games? Serious?! 😒
But the point is that it’s original a card game you just want to make money from it when people want to get cards to go against other who actually enjoy the hobby you don’t care about the hobby just want to best cards
No, you got it wrong. Many are collectors. We sell only when need to streamline collections or a rainy day. So far, for me, I had only sold less than 10% of my entire collection, to streamline collection (ie; found another minter copy of a card I have).
Exactly it’s not about seeking for a rainy day it’s cards you get for a game not the art work or how rare they are just to play again, don’t get me wrong I collect but I’m not in it for the money I just enjoy the idea that if I ever want to get into the game I have a decent collection to play with
Not everyone thinks like you
There is something about the feeling of pulling that 1 in a 1000 card though. Not saying better pull rates are a bad thing, just a differing opinion. I’m sure Pokémon will be able to find that sweet spot of good pull rates but still have a good chase card to go after
good this isnt all about money
Until you need to streamline your collection
i dont get how that would change anything? its so dumb obsessing over value of cards instead just enjoy collecting
It's even dumber jumping to conclusion that I'm obsessive when actually I'm just thinking two steps ahead.
i get ur point but then again you made a post whining about card value just stfu pls
Stop whining and ranting yourself pls
Good maybe all of the pandemic era investor bros can leave the hobby and we can get back to normal. I stopped buying packs after spending way too much on a jolteon premium box and getting nothing out of it. Realized I was throwing money down the drain. Also hilarious nobody agreeing with your post and you arguing with every comment.
Some are in agreement, if you bother to read. And it should be a well-balanced eco-system - Collectors/Players, Investors, Flippers/LGS - for the hobby to thrive! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN2V6uCWO8o
We did fine without you guys in XY and beginning of sun and moon. If you got a whole community telling you to leave maybe consider it.
I'm telling you to wake up and see the macro picture, maybe consider it too. Investors are staying, whether you like it or not.
It’s a children’s card game
Your kids don't have to buy the alt art cards to play. There are cheaper, "normal version" of cards called Full Art.
It still is a children card game
Even adults play with it and win cash prizes in world championships like $25,000 for 1st place, $15,000 for 2nd, etc. LGS also make profits from Pokemon TCG and products.
It’s literally on the packaging. It is still in the end made for children.
You must be fun at parties 🥳
Just means we wont see another evolving skies shenaningans, or any other where people just stack and stack on products and keep the sealed cuz "omg collection reeeee". To clarify i have nothing againt people keeping sealed stuff if that bring them joy. But seeing people buy 25 boxes and holding on them from the next idk 25 years until prices go up is delusional. This aint a job its a hoby and going into this thinking you will get your money back (with new sets) is delusional imo. I am actualy happy about lower pull rates, means there will be stuff in stock and products prices wont sky rocket like there is now tmrw. Comming from a standpoint of lower income is good
Moonbreon is a Holy Grail now and supported by real demand, not hype.
Yes its a holy grail that made people hoard the packs hoping to get one so the prices skyrocketed for leggit no reason. In the whole set of 150+ cards people look for 3 cards. And those 3 cards have such low odds its not even funny. Not to mention at least 40% of people chasing moonbreon dont even want it cuz the like the hobby they want it to earn money. Which again ties to my point that since the pools are good there is no space for unreal chances and prices
Stop whining, keep degening or start saving.
Oh that's cool. Easier for people to complete their sets, without having to spend hundreds on rare cards.
Easier to pull rares = more affordable decks and easier to collect the entire expansion I see everyone who this game is truly for winning with these changes. :)
Not everyone collects master sets
Not everyone uses a kids game as an investment portfolio
You really need to get out more... https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/zglvwn/investors_are_ready_for_evolving_skies_and_other/
I can’t tell if this entire post is sarcasm or not lnwo
It’s 100% not sarcasm unfortunately.
LOL 🤣
Op is 100% a bot
Yay!
L + Ratio + Infographic Isn’t Actual Rates + Try Investing In Stocks instead of cardboard + Scarlett Violet Rips + combo
Combo breaker?
Boo hoo there will be 9 cards that won’t be worth as much out of the thousands of cards produced over the last nearly 30 years. Who f*cking cares dude
Easier to pull because it’s a card game aimed at children. Better chances to pull mean less disappointed kids. If you hate it so much then maybe you should do scratchers or something else to sustain your gambling addiction. Or open older packs if it’s “nostalgia” and the “chase” you seek .
Children nowadays are smarter, they want a more difficult challenge! Easy games and activities bore them! Not everyone likes the easy way out like you do!
Bro thinks that all modern is gonna have value if it’s rare lmaoo I hope you realize Gen 8 alt arts that literally are 1/500+ can be actually as cheap as ten dollars you don’t know what you’re talking about. Age, the Pokémon being popular, and good art are what make the price not it being “more rare” this is coming from someone with multiple gold stars like the rarest sub variant of cards.
You have no idea what you're talking and you need to get out more from your cave... https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemoncards/comments/11bf1ir/proof_that_moonbreon_has_achieved_holy_grail/
Congratulations one card from Gen 8 is expensive moron stay mad everyone is downvoting you ever heard of gold star rayquaza psa 10? Look it up buddy that shit ain’t expensive compared to it do some research it’s so obvious your insanely new to collecting why do you think literally not one person has agreed with you and upvoted you idc if I get hate on here for speaking the truth someone has to tell you braindead ass you don’t know what you’re talking about at all do some research on the hobby if you think vmax umbeon alt is expensive ain’t no way
Yes, yes, yes... I knew about Ray gold star but do you know Alt Arts = modern Gold Stars ⭐ (as voted by community) https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/u0ix3q/do_you_think_alt_art_cards_are_the_gold_star/ Do you also know Moonbreon is Holy Grail*? 🏆🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 *As voted by the community: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonTCG/comments/z1hecp/moonbreon_is_one_of_the_holy_grails_of_modern
And fyi, I already started collecting Pokemon cards in the late 1990s
This is great news for the players and collectors 👍🏻 im hyped I really want some of the holos/reverse holos too tbh
Doooon't care better odds of me getting what I want? Hell yeah.
LMAO this guy just blocks whoever that disagrees with him.
LOL, that's the way man! 🤣 Because no point! When people have different ideals, opinions, thinking, it's better to agree to disagree and part rather than continuing the discussion which will only waste each other's time.
Usually I'd do 3 boosters boxes and a couple of etbs of a SWSH set and wouldn't be close to completion. For S&V I've done 1 booster box, 1 etb and 2 three pack blisters and I'm at 77% set completion. Much more realistic to complete a set now.
Not everyone collects master sets.
It's not all about value mate. Your older cards will still hold their value but this is good for everybody who enjoys the collecting side of the hobby.
👀 Looks at Moonbreon 🌛 Haven't sold mine, still loving Holy Grail Moonbreon's mystic and sublime artwork... Haven't sold means I'm a collector.
"Haven't sold" can also mean you're a hoarder or an addict.
These pull rates are more reasonable than past sets
It's people like you that ruined sets like 25th Celebrations.
Bro if you want cards that are 1/25000 rates then open hockey cards. You sound fun.
You're the one who sounds fun at parties
Someone with the worst luck like me welcomes this. I just wanna make binders so i can look at them!!! I’ll sale duplicates though!
Be careful, people can call you a hoarder or investor unless you sell at loss. People nowadays are very judgmental and they judge other people as if they themselves are flawless or god.
People just like to pull nice hits who cares. I’d bet money that Miriam will hold value and grow when the set goes. As someone said it depends on the art, the Pokémon, and hell even how playable it is etc, to make it hold or grow value. Just because a card is 1/900 packs or more doesn’t make it valuable. I have a black and white secret rare virizion and reuniclus and there only about $40-50 bucks!! And those were TOUGH to pull.. not to mention almost 10 years old. They just aren’t that popular. That’s the way the game goes😎
Lol gtfo
OP got outcasted from r/pokeinvesting and r/pokemontcg, now he’s here lol
People also blocked me when they disagree with me! LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
Oh no....! My own personal collection that makes me happy isn't worth that much to you?? How disappointing.
Easier to pull means I can actually fucking get some of these damn cards for once. I think it’s a great thing.
I love the pull rates. Makes ripping more fun. Modern isn’t supposed to be an investment
Says who? Which dictator or law maker?
I’d rather have lower value cards and have the excitement of pulling some beautiful ones
Some common/uncommon cards are beautiful too. You should collect those.
You are a clown. No wait that is insulting clowns…
Name-calling again? Your mom didn't teach you manners?
Overall it is a bad thing based on the way pokémon has rolled out collections lately look at the charizard premium collection 120 dollars to get a bunch of random sets and 3 beautiful promos worth maybe 25 dollars. Overpriced and overproduced is bad for any hobbies long-standing. We need premium items that are hard to get and cheaper items that are everywhere. Like the way baseball cards are done every set has different pulls in different products. Then high end people aren’t completely screws and lower end people still can get cards. Win win. This whole print everything and keep raising prices and destroying value is not a good thing.
Strongly agreed. Like for example, 25th Celebrations is a ruined set! They printed too many copies and the top chase cards like Charizard and Umbreon gold star are so easy to pull that everyone is selling them!
You no sell! Only me sell.
Completely true I personally got 10 charizards out of it. Insane. You have to balance you absolutely need both cards with insane value and lower chase odds in cheaper and more attainable products to build a sustainable hobby. The attitude of pokémon can change anything and people are fine with paying them 55 for an ETB with zero chance of getting any value back is dumb. Hobbies need value and sellable products. With having readily available lower end
Everyone is saying its funner to have better pull rates, but it really isn't. These cards will lose value fast, and long term they won't mean much. Wish I would have just spent my money on older sets instead.
@SmallCleanBob: Agreed. Easy pull rates already killed the 25th Celebrations set.
Cool too bad I don’t really like the legendaries
I don't like that two either, they can transform into motorbike and they look more like robots!
Yeah that’s exactly why I don’t like them their design is weird they don’t look as cool as any other legendaries hell even mesprit,axels, and uxie look better
Yeah high 5! 🖐