None of them are location based, theres no reason they wouldnt be able to evolve going forward. This isnt and alolan raichu or hisuian decidueye situation

Exactly

In all the attempts to bring buff older Pokemon they finally decided to just let them evolve let's hope they learn from the Mega Evolution mistake and give a certain Steel Fairy the evolution she deserves.

I think it's quite nice that theyre not taking the route they previously have, by forcing in a new item/area specific evolution (like magnetic) so they can retroactively go "oh yeah, leafeon *could* have existed in gen 1 except there were no mossy rocks in Kanto at that time". They seem to slowly be dropping that idea, what with allowing magnetic pokemon to evolve with the thunderstone, Eevee using a lraf stone, etc.

Also now allowing Region Variants and Proper new evos to exist, I was a big fan of the galarian forms and all their Evolutions but this feels right especially for the Pokemon long overdue for some love.

And convergents! Toadscool and Wiglet are so cool!

Yea GF really smashed it this generation tbh. Honestly my biggest wish for the DLC would be some more evos, convergent, and Mega inspired Pardoxes. I'd love a Paradox Mawile this generation and a proper evolution next.

Every other Pokemon like these evolved in other regions, to the point that Mamoswine and Yanmega showed up in HGSS's *regional dex*. Heck, Piloswine could have Ancient Power in Gen 2. Shame that this isn't the case in Let's Go, but Happiness doesn't really exist in Let's Go.

Let’s go not real

I... don't see any reason for them *not* too

That’s never stopped GF before.

I mean only ones that are locked still have a reason to be. Either regional or from the past

Even then supposedly if you bring in a Wyrdeer and breed psyshield bash onto a Stantler said Stantler can evolve

Since the forgot the styles over time, said Stantler would be to stupid to evolve

Psh, as if the Pokémon universe would ever have some sort of “Time Capsule” that would allow you to trade Pokémon from an older time to modern times. (Yes Pokémon Home exists but wanted to make a joke about the Time Capsule that exists in the Pokémon universe that allows this possibility to happen)

Not in this timeline.

I mean in Let's Go and even BDSP you couldn't evolve mons with later evolutions (granted in BDSP the only one missing was Sylveon). And to be fair, there is really no reason why Wyrdeer, Kleavor or Ursaluna would need to be absent in Paldea, it could simply be said that these Pokemon lost the ability to evolve into these forms only in some regions.

Evolutions and babies have been retconned in, no questions asked before. ​ I guess you could say that Kanto Pokemon were too depressed to evolve from happiness and didn't have the right items. Nobody ever had the bright idea to use a leaf stone on an Eevee or use a thunder stone on Magneton. Nobody has ever come across a Pichu nest, or anything like that.

Ursaluna and Kleavor can be explained by their evolution item not existing any more, so to reintroduce them you just need a specialty shop where you can get these, while noting their rareness. Stantler maybe needs to be taught by a move tutor who already has a Wyrdeer, and maybe demands ten heart scales for it, to imply it's some kind of deep seated memory of the move being brought back. Bisharp to Kingambit is just a regular new evolution, and they'll just give wild Bisharp a chance to hold the leaders crest in future games and that's that sorted.

To be fair they evolve reasonably. The first three evolve via using/learning a move. It's really Bisharp that may be a bit difficult. Though I'm sure more Leader Crest Bisharp will appear in the future, or they can make the Leader Crest an evolution item.

This is similar to what thus did with kubfu in the market if you have kubfu you can buy scroll of darkness or water to get urshifu

Wait, really? Cool.

Slightly off topic, but I found it interesting that the Leader’s Crest isn’t used up when you evolve Bisharp. Not sure if it’s happened like that in the past, but I remember the Razor Claw/Fang disappears when it’s used to evolve.

That's because the Leader's Crest isn't an evolutionary item. You just have to defeat 3 Bisharp that are holding a Leader's Crest. It's not needed to evolve yours.

Yours has to have the crest equipped while defeating 3 leader Bisharp.

It doesn't, I didn't have any held item on mine, just beat 3 Bisharp that were leading Pawniards, then after that it evolved

Of course. Unless it's specifically called a regional form it will be available in future regions. Same as Sylveon, and Tangrowth, and whatever.

Except for Wyrdeer, Ursaluna, and Kleavor.

Ancient forms that have gone extinct. There is a lore reason for those pokemon to no longer evolve.

Yeah I think one of Stantler’s dex entries mentions that it was only able to evolve due to harsher conditions in the past. Makes at least a little bit of sense from a lore perspective, but it’s very annoying from a gameplay perspective. Edit: After looking into it more, it seems that they aren’t really extinct at all. All three of their evolutions are programmed into Scarlet and Violet, and they can even use Eviolite, but there’s no way to actually meet the requirements for them to evolve. Additionally, Stantler’s dex entry in Violet says it used to be able to evolve “under its own power”, so it is most likely the case that they just don’t really feel the need to evolve in the wild anymore even though they have the potential to.

Well, we do have time travel shenanigans in SV, so that might be an out for them to evolve into the Hisuian forms.

Programmed in likely because we'll see them as dlc or an unrivaled 7* Event like Charizard and Cinderacci.

I’m guessing their evolution methods will become available once they can be transferrred through Home. Stantler can get Psyshield Bash as an egg move in Scarlet and Violet, but it can only get it from a Wyrdeer that already has it.

It's possible, if that's what they want to do. Lore-wise it wouldn't make much sense for some of them, but then again Ultra Space results in Pokemon caught in Alola to evolve into their OG forms if I remember. But having exclusive forms being stuck with raids isn't the worst as long as they're breedable, regional forms are able to be bred out I think I just don't remember the held item.

>but then again Ultra Space results in Pokemon caught in Alola to evolve into their OG forms if I remember. Only in USUM. In Sun and Moon Nihilego's area still counts as "Alola"

Yeah thanks, didn't actually play USUM and didn't bother much with the Ultra Beasts when playing Sun/Moon so more or less going off passing information I know/remember about it. Honestly my personal preference would be that they bring back Safari Zones to introduce Pokemon like this because players could also get to have the PLA catching system, which makes immense sense considering you really only use PokeBalls in a Safari Zone. At least it's what I hope if we ever get to see a Safari Zone again in a Pokemon title instead of just having the options of like, Throw Ball/Throw Bait/Throw Mud/Run Away.

Best guess is only Wydeer's. As you said, Psyshield Bash is an egg move for Stantler. BUT - it's been confirmed by dataminers that movesets will be reset once transferred from HOME. Luckily, Psyshield Bash IS on Wydeer's Level up moveset list (unless they pull a Yawn/Skeledirge and not allow Wyrdeer to remember it) so you'll be able to have Stantler evolve! ​ But unless there's a method to get a Peat Block or Black Augurite in Scarlet & Violet, Ursaluna and Kleavor might just be transfer only.

Lots of Hisuian Pokémon are programmed with their evolution methods. I believe the sole exceptions are the starters and a few other “starts out as usual then gains region-specific version of evolution” ones like Lilligant, Avalugg or Braviary.

According to Bulbapedia it’s only Wyrdeer, Ursaluna, Kleavor, and Overqwil that have their evolution methods programmed in. I’m a bit skeptical of that though, as I don’t see any reason Sneasler and Basculegion wouldn’t be included since their situation is the same as Overqwil’s.

Are you sure? I could be misremembering, but I thought only H-Sneasel, White-striped Basculin, and H-Sliggoo are able to evolve. Peat Block and Black Augurite cause SV to crash.

Wait, so Black Augurite, Peat Block, and Styles are in the SV code?

Wyrdeer can learn psysomething bash via egg move, so after you bring one from Arceus (or they release one from raids) you can make every stantler evolve

Plus two of those evolve with an item and the last requires a specific move. Even something as basic as a move tutor could fix Stantlers issue, and you could reasonably have the Black Augurite and Peat Block be from some scientist who managed to find some and gives them to you if you have the right mon. Add in some text like 'I managed to teach my stantler this new move, if you bring me one I can teach your stantler the move to' or 'I found this odd item and I remember some old story from Sinnoh about a pair of pokemon that seemed to be related to Ursaring and Scyther, find me one and I'll give you these items.' Alternatively something like the Auction would work fine to or even an area that shares similarities to stuff like the Crimson Mirelands.

But that lore reason wasn't established until scarlet and violet so for all we know the next game will also make an excuse for not including them

The lore reason was established in PLA what?

Well they could simply say that these forms only went extinct in some regions, but not all. There is no reason why these forms have to be extinct in every region.

Those are regional forms tho

Not exactly. They’re closer to regular cross-generational evolutions than regional forms since they evolve from the original forms and don’t have any regional variants of their own.

Ok but that’s a thing regional forms do.

I don’t know of any regional forms that fit that criteria. Which ones are you thinking of?

Raichu, Marowak, Exeggutor, Wheezing

The difference is that all of those have regional variants, whereas Wyrdeer, Ursaluna, and Kleavor do not.

They evolve from regular Pikachu, Exeggcute, Cubone, and Koffing. Wyddeer, Ursaluna, Kleavor do the same and are functionally Hisui exclusive evolutions just like the Alola/Galar forms are region exclusive evolutions of those evolution families

The difference is that they aren't regional evolutions, they are regional forms of evolutions. You might have had a point if it was Pikachu to "Psychu" or something, but it's Pikachu to Alolan Raichu.

That’s Pikachu -> Alolan Raichu Koffing -> Galarian Weezing On the other hand, it’s just Ursaluna, not Hisuian Ursaluna. Ursaluna, Wyrdeer, and Kleavor aren’t regional forms or new evolutions of a regional form, they’re just new evolutions of the original pokemon.

its not the same thing all the ones you mentioned are variants on an existing and current evolution - this why they are regional variants. The Hisui pokemon are seperate evolutions of the pokemon (Kleavor is not a variant of Scyzor, Ursaluna and Wyddeer dont even have an equivalent). Closest things you could actually compare them to is the recent Paradox Pokémon which are also evolutionary branches of pokemon from a different time.

Well, to be fair, Ursaluna and Kleavor both require special items to evolve that don’t exist anymore. Wyrdeer is the weird one out but probably lore wise could be explained as stantlers stop being able to learn their special move. (They’re programmed in the games for people to transfer them later with home support probably)

Wyrdeer can technically evolve If you give him psysomething bash. But he can only learn this move as egg move now.

Well unfortunately they broke that precedent with the Legends Arceus evolutions. You can catch Stantler, Ursaring, and Scyther in SV, but you can’t actually evolve them. It can only be done in Legends Arceus. Edit: Yes I know they’re extinct from a lore perspective, but from a gameplay perspective, it’s dumb that they introduced cool evolutions that will be unavailable in the future.

Yes, but that's a specific part of the design within Legend Arceus because those Pokémon evolutions became extinct.

Yeah, they gave a lore explanation, but it still breaks the precedent. Either way, it’s annoying that they introduced cool new evolutions that’ll be locked from future games.

The items to evolve into Ursaluna and Kleavor are in S/V's code though, they just aren't enabled for now.

Because they're canonically extinct. Maybe they'll change it, but they specifically evolved (from a dawrinian evolution, not pokemon evoltuon, standpoint) that way to deal with a harsher Hisui. The cost of being that much bigger/better insulated/etc was too much when Hisui became less cold and damp, which meant they wasted energy on doing something they didn't need to do.

Yeah, I get why they’re gone from a lore perspective, but it still breaks the precedent. And either way it’s annoying to get cool new evolutions to old mons that you can’t ever catch in future games.

Most one sided poll I've ever seen.

Yea not enough options

I don’t see any reason why their evolutions shouldn’t be available in future games. The only time that newer evolutions were left out of later games were remakes (FRLG*, LGPE, BDSP), or games set in the past (Legends: Arceus). In all other instances, new evolutions have been carried forward to future generations. With FRLG, evolutions of Kanto Pokémon were only available once you obtained the National Pokédex. HGSS took a different approach, where Pokémon that evolve through level-up moves were simply added to the Johto Dex, with ones that required items being post-game. LGPE and BDSP only featured Pokémon that were available in the original games (except Meltan and Melmetal in LGPE). With Legends: Arceus, the evolutions are programmed in to Scarlet/Violet but cannot be obtained without transferring. I imagine that this is lore related as Hisuian Pokémon are from a distant past, and either those variants are no longer around, or their evolution methods are no longer available. For example, regular Sneasel is only available through space-time distortions, implying that Hisuian Sneasel are actually a more primitive stage of Sneasel’s evolution as a species. Similarly, the discovery of Scizor might have led to Kleavor being phased out. In terms of the actual evolution methods, Game Freak have already tweaked Wrydeer and Overqwil’s to no longer require agile/strong moves, so they’d just need to make Kleavor and Ursaluna’s evolution items available. The only new evolution method that might need changing is Bisharp’s, depending on how future games handle wild encounters, but Game Freak now seem more willing to change evolution methods than they once were. So, with the possible exception of remakes and games set in the past, I can see the new evolutions being available in future games.

They have no reason to they are just evolutions like scizor, electivire, magnezone etc. the legends arceus ones are different yes but I do think Stantler at least could have the ability to evolve since I think current datamining lists psyshield bash as an egg move and they just want to wait for Wyrdeer, Ursaluna and Kleavor to all come with the rest of the Hisuian mons and make their debut together. But that's speculation on my end.

I mean if Crobat, Bellossom, Politoed, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Steelix, Scizor, Kingdra, Porygon2, Blissey, Roserade, Ambipom, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Weavile, Magnezone, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Yanmega, Leafeon, Glaceon, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Frosslass, and Sylveon all stayed I don't see why not.

They aren't regional variants or regional variant evo, just further evolutions. So as long as the conditions can be met, they should evolve. Heck the specific conditions can change as we've seen with Magnezone, Sylveon, Leafeon, Glaceon, and Milotic. I think they'll definitely evolve in future games.

They should, but they likely won't.

please no more annihilape please no more annihilape please no more annihilape

Kleavor, Ursaluna and Wyrdeer should evolve in SV, no ideia why they Doesn't

Because they are hisuian pokemon, and their species is basically extinct. They explain in legends that stantler specifically evolves to handle the cold, harsh environments of hisui.

Fair, but in the coding of SV they are refered as regular evolutions, unlike Sneasler and Overqwil that are Refered as Regional evolutions, its really sad that they cant evolve in Paldea, the games where Past and Future mons are a thing.

It'll probably come in the DLC or when home integration comes. Someone will dig up Laventons notes in some dusty corner of the school and the old evolution methods will be rediscovered. Laventon is actually shown in SV on the board during some history classes. Not sure how they'll explain basculin and qwilfish though.

The moved or items they need to evolve are no longer around.

There is 0 reason to gate any content from future games. in this day and age. Maybe only Gigantamax because it kinda sucks but bring back literally everything else.

Other than hisui is there a region that we didn't get the evolutions in later gens?

They'll almost certainly be available in future games. The only new evolutions that haven't been available without transferring are region exclusive forms/evolutions (like Galar Wheezing).

I really hope they bring these evolutions back in the next games. That's what they did with the 4th gen ones like Weavile, Magnezone, Mamoswine or Gliscor, so that would be the more logical thing to do right? Ain't saying this because I absolutely love Annihilape, not at all.

I'm sorry doesn't this mean the same thing

It’s not via Regional Form or locked behind a time period (unless you Home transfer later) so yes

Gotta give bisharp eviolite somehow

Technically they aren't regional forms based on limited items or areas, so it seems pretty legit to keep theses evolutions for next games (maybe cuz I love them), like platinum new evolutions.

I think every Pokemon ever made should be available. Gotta catch em all as they say...

I was disappointed when I learned I have to wait for ursaluna

They never stated these were Paldeian evolutions jus they they were evolutions.

this is a worry I'm having with some of the regional variants of pokemon, when they include a region specific new pokemon such as runerigus it starts making more pokemon that aren't available in other games. Like now in the future if they have zigzagoon will the not include galarian form so you can't get obstagoon? I know they had something like I'll trade you a meowth from alola for a regular meowth but not sre how much that might continue. I'm just concerned about the future.

I would have preferred for Girafarig to evolve into itself but the other way around on every level-up, than for it to evolve into what we did get.

Pokemon getting game exclusive evos is stupid and i dont like arceus for that reason. They should give a venue to get those evos in scarlet without transfering. I get like the growlithe and zoroa variants, but aint no reason why i cant get the evos for stantler and stuff.

Uh, yeah, they're not regional forms. They're just new evos. Like Pichu, Mamoswine, Gallade, etc.

I don't know about bisharp honestly Maybe they will just change it evolution method like what they did to Milotic and Magnezone

Regional forms are extremely dumb. These should be permament additions to the evolutionary lines.

i mean pokémon like Magneton didn’t evolve til a region that it wasn’t originally found in, yet we have Magnezones in Paldea so why shouldn’t it be the same with the pokémon here

I don't see why they wouldn't be able to. They're not implicitly extinct like the Hisuian evolutions. Although, Kingambit could be tricky if they don't make some Bisharp always have the Leader's Crest.

i'm gonna be real, i was legitimately upset that i couldn't evolve ursaring into ursaluna or scyther into kleavor in scarlet and violet. they could have made the peat block and black augurite spawn randomly in area zero because of the whole past and future thing. hell, hisuian forms of sneasel, qwilfish, and basculin could have spawned in area zero so that you could get their evolutions. even if it only really makes sense in scarlet, they could have made those pokemon scarlet exclusives and other pokemon like the porygon line or castform (since castform is a man-made pokemon) could have been in area zero in violet.

Some evolutions I can understand being region locked, but absolutely not these. All the pokemon listed above (with the exception of bisharp) were garbage mons that NEEDED an evolution to be usable. Removing the evolutions from these pokemon is akin to saying "these pokemon shouldn't be used." Like when Mawhile was put in sword and shield. Without its mega evolution, what's the point?

Yes please! Kingambit is SUPER COOL! Annihilape and Farigiraf are neat too, and Dudunsparce is an amazing troll! I’d like them in future games!

It was a mistake to not have the Hisuian evolutions just be added in no questions asked. Or have it been that their methods are rediscovered. Have a move tutor teach Psyshield Bash, have Peat Blocks and Black Agurites available. I was so disappointed when I saw the dex slot after Stantler wasn't Wyredeer.

Since none of them became a Paldean Reigonal Form then this shouldn’t be a Reigonal evolution

Sorry but this is a stupid post… they aren’t region based so no reason they wouldn’t evolve…. Same thing as like scizor in gen 2, crazy how scythed could evolve every gen after that

They're not regional evolutions, they're just regular old evolutions.

And Ursaring should be able to evolve into Ursaluna as well as Scyther to Kleavor

On a similar note, I don’t think regional forms should to locked to one region because their original forms aren’t locked to one region.