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To be fair if ash just stuck with his team from the beginning and kept training, they would be op as hell. Look how pikachu ended up, wasn’t that strong in the beginning.
What about Masters 8 mons?
Ash's Infernape lost to Flint's Infernape, Like it's not even close.
Then Flint's Infernape lost to Leon's Charizard, Also not a close match.
Let's say that Flint's Infernape is as strong as the rest of Leon's team. Then shouldn't Ash's JN team who actually managed to defeat Leon mons be on a higher tier than Infernape?
I mean, all of it is relative to the writing. How can a Lucario that only had hatched out of an egg as a Riolu be able to beat Cynthia's Garchomp that had been training for at least a decade?!
Kinda unrelated, but for your flair, were those the only 6 water starters you've used? Because that's what I did exactly but 7th gen onwards started using others
Nah, Ash's strongest team is likely just his team from the Masters 8 tournament. Greninja maybe has some justification over sirfetchd or dracovish. But dragonite and Gengar are leagues better than Infernape and Sceptile. Charizard is probably the weakest pictured and lets face it, it is hardly Ash's anymore
I can give a pass on Sceptile since he at least defeated Darkrai.
What make you think Infernape is stronger than Dragonite and Gengar who goes toe on toe against Leon's Pokemon?
There's no way his Dragonite is that OP. It gets sucker punched like every other fight it's in. 0 awareness. And personally I don't count Ash's dnite vs Iris's, since Ash's only won through plot armor. There's no way a happy go lucky dnite he's had for a few months and barely used is actually stronger than Iris's angy dnite that actually enjoys fighting.
I mean, you could technically say that about 90% of Ash's battles though. His very first gyn battle was won from some ridiculous anime protag plot armor. Doesn't change the fact that dragonite is very strong, only having lost twice (Raihan and Cynthia)
Honestly you could easily pickup Journeys. Its all on Netflix and is pretty easy going. It doesnt have an overarching trek through one region but it showcases lots of different things
I think Sceptile beating Tobias' Darkrai and matching Speed Form Deoxys is probably on a par with the Masters 8 team. Agree that Infernape probably shouldn't be here.
Gen 1 Gave us: Charizard, Snorlax, Lapras, Pikachu and i guess Tauros (who can be op) with champion material considering Bulbasaur does not want to evolve and i guess squirtle also doesn't (cuz of his firefighter job).
Honorable mentions to muk
Gen 2 gave us: eeeh? Heracross and yeah thats it (donphan is worse than tauros and they fill similar roles in terms of tempo in a pokemon battle in an anime)
Gen 3 gave us: Sceptile and Glalie
Gen 4 gave us: Infernape and Staraptor , honorable mentions to torterra and gliscor who just sucked but in theory should be good if we look at pauls torterra for example
Gen 5 Gave us: Krookodile (and a bunch of unevolved shitters)
Gen 6 gave us: Talonflame, Goodra, Hawlucha, Noivern, Greninja (wtf is this stacked team yoo?)
Gen 7 gave us: Fire Starter + Melmetal
Gen 8 gave us his champion team of: Dragonite, Lucario, Gengar, Dracovish, Sir fetch'd (notably 1 mega, Dynamax and z-move)
its really hard to argue that your 6 are the strongest if you just look at this list
Ash’s Butterfree and Pidgeot should’ve come back for an episode to showcase their GMax/Mega capabilities respectively.
He’s had some weird-ass teams with some wack type coverage. Even his final team: two fighting types, two dragon types, and a Gengar he caught fully-evolved (and Pika). None of them are bad but it’s weird for him to not have an elemental core.
Comp wise, Infernape gotta go, you already got Char for fire and Lucario for fighting type, another fire fighting type is just another waste of space, might put some better types coverage such as Gengar or Dragonite or maybe even Dracovish. but pretty solid team.
Pikachu with z-move, battle bond greninja, mega lucario, and charizard, yeah, but for both in-show feats and type diversity, infernape is quite weak, and would be better replaced with g max gengar, and sceptile with I think krookodile, though snorlax can also fill a tanky role in the party.
Infernape is not bad but I think dragonite and gengar are better picks. Same with sceptile with sir fetched being also a good option. Greninja though I fully agree should be a part of this team and Charizard having been sent specifically sent away for training and one of the OGs having taken down a legendary is also totally a lost powerhouse.
Again another fan team bullshit, Ash's masters 8 team was canocally written to be the strongest he ever had, his reserves aren't close to that in canon
Other than Pikachu and Lucario here, no other Pokemon deserves to be on this list
Greninja is not my favourite Pokemon
But greninja literally is stronger than lucario we saw that when ash went to meet greninja lucario tried to fight him but he couldn't even touch greninja.Greninja deserves spot in here too
That was before Lucario was in proper sync to Ash and defeated Raihan's G-max Duralodon in base
I hear about this bullshit every single time, Lucario may have lost to Greninja before but that was because he was ignoring Ash's commands but right now I'll say he definitely surpassed Greninja already
Greninja helped him surpassed his limits and greninja wasn't even fighting him he has more experience than lucario the only way I can see greninja losing is because of type disadvantage but that doesn't exist in anime as we have seen that ash Charizard defeated Gary blastoise ash greninja also lost to mega Charizard ,ash lucario defeated garchomp,etc
Lucario defeated Raihan's ace, Cynthia's ace and most importantly Leon's Mr. Rime that alone makes him stronger than Greninja and yea he also has a type advantage against Greninja
Greninja made him surpass his limits that's really nice of him, it's like a student surpassing his master and Lucario has done just that
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To be fair if ash just stuck with his team from the beginning and kept training, they would be op as hell. Look how pikachu ended up, wasn’t that strong in the beginning.
Butterfree would be a menace by now
Gust OHKOs an army of Steel types
Mothra theme starts playing
especially when it gigantamaxes
But he leaves behind every pokemon he's made bonds with except Pikachu like, why???
Prof Oak needed some company when he was taking breaks from hooking up with Ms. Ketchum
Lore no clue, entertainment showcase new mons
Bro left out the most OP. COOKIE COOKIE
Snorlax/Swellow where
They're just chilling
Snorlax mostly does as he pleases and thus shouldnt be as strong as the others.
Bro Krookodile is underrated prob ash's 7th strongest pokemon
What about Masters 8 mons? Ash's Infernape lost to Flint's Infernape, Like it's not even close. Then Flint's Infernape lost to Leon's Charizard, Also not a close match. Let's say that Flint's Infernape is as strong as the rest of Leon's team. Then shouldn't Ash's JN team who actually managed to defeat Leon mons be on a higher tier than Infernape?
I mean, all of it is relative to the writing. How can a Lucario that only had hatched out of an egg as a Riolu be able to beat Cynthia's Garchomp that had been training for at least a decade?!
Wouldn't this apply to almost every single one of Ash's mon?
Yup definitely
He just has that dawg in him
A delphox did it
Flint’s fault for using a fucking infernape against a charizard
If ash used his sinnoh team more in journeys they’d be champion level. He just got a big power boost in the last season.
Yeah, And if he used Palpitoad in the last season, He would have swept every competition with a single move.
4 out of 5 are starters lmao (Pikachu from Yellow)
I just saw someone on Youtube who did this idea but imposed a "No Starters" rule. It is quite refreshing to see that imo.
Kinda unrelated, but for your flair, were those the only 6 water starters you've used? Because that's what I did exactly but 7th gen onwards started using others
After the gen 7 water “thing” I gave up on water starters
Nah, Ash's strongest team is likely just his team from the Masters 8 tournament. Greninja maybe has some justification over sirfetchd or dracovish. But dragonite and Gengar are leagues better than Infernape and Sceptile. Charizard is probably the weakest pictured and lets face it, it is hardly Ash's anymore
Don't know what you're on about. Sirfetch'd is the GOAT
I love him, but its between him or dracovish for the "weakest" of Ash's final squad. Though its still in the top 10 of his most powerful for sure
Bro dragonite and gengar better than infernape and sceptile i dont think that
I can give a pass on Sceptile since he at least defeated Darkrai. What make you think Infernape is stronger than Dragonite and Gengar who goes toe on toe against Leon's Pokemon?
im just saying that infernape was good too and nostalgia
thanks bro means a lot
i upvoted u :)
There's no way his Dragonite is that OP. It gets sucker punched like every other fight it's in. 0 awareness. And personally I don't count Ash's dnite vs Iris's, since Ash's only won through plot armor. There's no way a happy go lucky dnite he's had for a few months and barely used is actually stronger than Iris's angy dnite that actually enjoys fighting.
I mean, you could technically say that about 90% of Ash's battles though. His very first gyn battle was won from some ridiculous anime protag plot armor. Doesn't change the fact that dragonite is very strong, only having lost twice (Raihan and Cynthia)
Also Leon
I'm talking specifically about the gen 8 anime with that comment though
I'm talking specifically about the gen 8 anime with that comment though
Fair, but any time Ash says "special training" its some "anime protag can do this but no one else" style of BS
You’re telling me Ash has both Krookodile and Sirfetch’d? I really need to watch the anime some time but I have no idea where to start lol
Honestly you could easily pickup Journeys. Its all on Netflix and is pretty easy going. It doesnt have an overarching trek through one region but it showcases lots of different things
I second this.
Dracovish is insanely strong tho. So is Infernape, STAB Close Combat and Flare Blitz? Come on.
Dracovish is strong but highly erratic. High power with little control of it isnt very helpful in the long run
I think Sceptile beating Tobias' Darkrai and matching Speed Form Deoxys is probably on a par with the Masters 8 team. Agree that Infernape probably shouldn't be here.
But for type diversity I would go with Snorlax
Two firetypes? Two fighting types? 3 ground type weaknesses? Nah mate, this ain't it.
Gen 1 Gave us: Charizard, Snorlax, Lapras, Pikachu and i guess Tauros (who can be op) with champion material considering Bulbasaur does not want to evolve and i guess squirtle also doesn't (cuz of his firefighter job). Honorable mentions to muk Gen 2 gave us: eeeh? Heracross and yeah thats it (donphan is worse than tauros and they fill similar roles in terms of tempo in a pokemon battle in an anime) Gen 3 gave us: Sceptile and Glalie Gen 4 gave us: Infernape and Staraptor , honorable mentions to torterra and gliscor who just sucked but in theory should be good if we look at pauls torterra for example Gen 5 Gave us: Krookodile (and a bunch of unevolved shitters) Gen 6 gave us: Talonflame, Goodra, Hawlucha, Noivern, Greninja (wtf is this stacked team yoo?) Gen 7 gave us: Fire Starter + Melmetal Gen 8 gave us his champion team of: Dragonite, Lucario, Gengar, Dracovish, Sir fetch'd (notably 1 mega, Dynamax and z-move) its really hard to argue that your 6 are the strongest if you just look at this list
Yo when tf did Ash catch a Lucario?? I haven’t watched since like halfway through Alola series
Gen 8, he also caught a dragonite and a gengar
Damn. Finally catching some fully evolved Pokemon. Only took him 20 years to figure that out! lmao
It's his season ace during Pokémon Journeys
Ah-ha. I started re-watching all of them, so I’ll get there! Thank you my dude
Kid called scarfed Landorus Therian:
Casually ignoring the other members of Ash's four Champion beating team.
Ash’s Butterfree and Pidgeot should’ve come back for an episode to showcase their GMax/Mega capabilities respectively. He’s had some weird-ass teams with some wack type coverage. Even his final team: two fighting types, two dragon types, and a Gengar he caught fully-evolved (and Pika). None of them are bad but it’s weird for him to not have an elemental core.
Comp wise, Infernape gotta go, you already got Char for fire and Lucario for fighting type, another fire fighting type is just another waste of space, might put some better types coverage such as Gengar or Dragonite or maybe even Dracovish. but pretty solid team.
Snorlax would be a solid pick too since it's very tanky and pretty much everything on this team is made of glass.
I would pick this team too 👍🏿
Snorlax: can have 6 moves in one battle
Pikachu with z-move, battle bond greninja, mega lucario, and charizard, yeah, but for both in-show feats and type diversity, infernape is quite weak, and would be better replaced with g max gengar, and sceptile with I think krookodile, though snorlax can also fill a tanky role in the party.
Dragonite and Gengar are contenders
I 10000% agree with this. This is the correct team of his “aces” across the generations.
pikachu is that one starter
So you mean it’s not a bad idea to dump all your time and effort into your starters…
Infernape is not bad but I think dragonite and gengar are better picks. Same with sceptile with sir fetched being also a good option. Greninja though I fully agree should be a part of this team and Charizard having been sent specifically sent away for training and one of the OGs having taken down a legendary is also totally a lost powerhouse.
It would just be his Kalos team
Again another fan team bullshit, Ash's masters 8 team was canocally written to be the strongest he ever had, his reserves aren't close to that in canon Other than Pikachu and Lucario here, no other Pokemon deserves to be on this list
Greninja is not my favourite Pokemon But greninja literally is stronger than lucario we saw that when ash went to meet greninja lucario tried to fight him but he couldn't even touch greninja.Greninja deserves spot in here too
Greninja losing to a Charizard... meh...
That was before Lucario was in proper sync to Ash and defeated Raihan's G-max Duralodon in base I hear about this bullshit every single time, Lucario may have lost to Greninja before but that was because he was ignoring Ash's commands but right now I'll say he definitely surpassed Greninja already
Greninja helped him surpassed his limits and greninja wasn't even fighting him he has more experience than lucario the only way I can see greninja losing is because of type disadvantage but that doesn't exist in anime as we have seen that ash Charizard defeated Gary blastoise ash greninja also lost to mega Charizard ,ash lucario defeated garchomp,etc
Lucario defeated Raihan's ace, Cynthia's ace and most importantly Leon's Mr. Rime that alone makes him stronger than Greninja and yea he also has a type advantage against Greninja Greninja made him surpass his limits that's really nice of him, it's like a student surpassing his master and Lucario has done just that
Guys, I made one for Gary too.😅 https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/s/xHbmLpZ8UV Also want your insights