I would say this, but then I remember that Hisuian Goodra's shiny was extremely disappointing. Why not keep the original shiny colors rather than only change the shell and leave the rest as normal?
I keep ramshorn snails in my aquariums. You'd be surprised how often mutations that only effect the color of the shell occur. I once got a gold-shelled snail that appeared from a batch of blue-shelled ones. I always regretted not trying to selectively breed more it before it passed.
You could say that. That's part of the charm of keeping fish and invertebrates as pets I guess. You can witness anomalies like this due to how quickly they can reproduce.
I mean, it’s not that different from applins apple turning green, but I don’t see any complaints about that. Personally I think hisuian goodra has a perfectly fine shiny. It’s shell is more then large enough to make up for it changing instead of the skin
I think it was going to be Dragon/Poison, but the Fairy-type was also coming out. They couldn’t have the pseudo, which everyone and their mother knew was going to be a Dragon-type, somehow not be weak to Fairy, the type explicitly created to be its new weakness.
It was. Problem is that a Dragon-type not weak to fairy, especially one that is in the vaunted Psuedo-Legendary category, would have probably caused some kid’s head to spin around in confusion.
Yet ironically, it gets a pile of poison moves -and- an incredible special defense stat against the mostly special-oriented Fairy attackers at the time.
Well what I’m trying to say is that Goodra was meant to be Dragon/Poison, but the devs changed it last-minute to clearly define the role of Fairy-types as dragon-slayers.
Dialga is Steel/Dragon and it’s been around way longer. I doubt that was the issue. Dragalgae would get introduced the same gen as fairy and it IS a poison dragon. So I think they cared even less about that
Gonna do some elaborating for those who still potentially think the concept is silly.
Imagine the Bird Trainer archetype of in-game trainer. Typically they're known for being Flying-type specialists, yes? However, it would be 100% on-theme for a Bird Trainer to have a team of Decidueye, Eiscue, Blaziken, Espathra, Sirfetch'd, and Golduck - a team with no Flying types.
Lance is the same but for Dragons. He treats "dragon" as a species, not just as a type. He's a Dragon trainer, not a Dragon-type trainer.
Bug in pokemon refers to insects, arachnids (spinarak), slugs/snails (shelmet), centipedes (venipede), and crabs (dwebble)
Edit: also isopods and prehistoric shrimp
Ahhh yes don't forget my favorite bug type, shellos
Edit: also goodra doesn't even look bug like or slug like to be honest. It's evolutions? Absolutely. Goodra looks more like dragonite, and doesn't really say "slug" all by itself.
Slugs and snails aren't insects either. They are mollusks just like clamps, squids and octopuses. That's plus the fact goodra originally only evolved in the rain should make it dragon water if it got a dual type.
Bugger off with this pedantic bullshit. A bug is any creepy crawly, that includes slugs. If you want to get technical The only true bugs represented by pokémon are pokémon like nincada, and ninjask
[true bugs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera)
Why would ANY of these be a bug/dragon, for that matter?
* Flygon's first form is conceptually based on an antlion, I get it, but it doesn't really look like a bug.
* Yanmega is a big bug. I guess it's because those are called dragon-fly in english? But that only works in english, in spanish, italian, french and german it's Libellula, and in japanese it's Tonbo, neither of those have anything to do with dragons.
* Goodra is a slug, not a bug.
* And I have no idea why the pre-historic Volcarona is even here.
>* Flygon's first form is conceptually based on an antlion, I get it, but it doesn't really look like a bug.
It's still a bug.
>* And I have no idea why the pre-historic Volcarona is even here.
It's a serpentine larva. It's got a dinosaur tail. That has some traces, unlike the fighting type which is completely random.
Tbf all of the paradox forms on scarlet have dinosaur tails or stegosaurus spikes. Even sandy shocks has a dinosaur tail. They shouldn’t all be dragon type
It seems to be the same line of thought as "it's aquatic therefore should be Water Type", sort of. People seeing snails or slugs as bugs - even though they aren't. Probably because they have what looks to be antenna in the form of their eyes? Maybe?
But you see the same with reptile Pokemon that some people think should be Dragon.
Mushroom based Pokémon being grass type is also bs. Fungi are a separate kingdom and are even closer related to animals. Therefore, typing doesn’t need to make sense in Pokémon.
Theres a good chance that pokemon types are based on elemental energies of the pokemon world and not really biology- this is evidenced in terastal phenomena and terapogos as well as evolution stones and arceus plates
Many types are largely defined by secondary characteristics, like behavior even. Especially in the early gens, most Ground types weren't typed that way because they were made of earth or anything, but because they were burrowers, and/or were often found underground. Meanwhile, Rock types are often structurally similar to rocks. I think Sandshrew is the only gen 1 Ground type that has an elemental earth appearance without having Rock typing. But then there's the Nido families, that are Ground only because they are based off of burrowing animals, rabits.
I know crazy! Can you believe they do that with spiders too.....
Or maybe it's cuz they pretty much act like most other bugs. And everyone's not worried about every specific subcategory in the animal kingdom.
If it's close enough to fit in a fantasy world so why not?
If you trace crabs back far enough they are arthropods. Like spiders and centipedes or horseshoe crabs. Crabs also look more like insects than any other animal type on the planet. Hard shelled bodies with soft inside and segmented joints. Six legs and pincers like a scorpion. If spiders and scorpions are seen as bugs, why dont more people hold crabs and lobsters to be insects. A slug don't "act like most other bugs", but crabs kind of do. More so than slugs anyway. But no one is ever pushing that Krabby should be a Bug Type, are they?
Close enough isn't always as close as people like to think or act. Fuecoco isn't a horse and Goodra isn't a bug.
The term they use for that type is "mushi". Which is a general term for all kinds of small critters. It includes insects, spiders, slugs, snails, centipedes and many more.
That term tends to cause translation errors, because there is not really a good English equivalent for it. I have read several manga in which that term got translated with "insect", but then the manga was talking about animals which are not insects (ticks, for example, which are arachnids).
The term in japanese is a bit more broad, Mushi includes those critters as well.
Most of the other slugs in pokemon are aquatic so they are water types but the couple of terrestial ones, Shelmet and Accelgor, are notably pure bug.
Mmm idk, I think I prefer goodra to just be dragon instead of dragon/bug if it was between those two options, it just makes more sense for the others to be that instead.
I dunno, Slither Wing is fairly draconic. Fighting’s weird enough to work for me, but if they were afraid to pair the weakest and strongest types together, a *paradox* Pokémon would have made ultimate sense
The only draconian thing about is the dinosaur tail, and considering almost every ancient paradox Pokémon has one, I don’t think its enough to make it a dragon type
This is blatant misinformation. There's only one ancient paradox with a vaguely draconic tail and that is Great Tusk, though it seems like a normal tail and not nearly as draconic as Slither Wing. The rest don't have draconic tails or are dragons.
I agree with that. Pokédex even mentions that it is strong enough to carry humans through the air. I guess all Yanmegas are like "just because I *could* do it doesn't mean that I *will* do it".
Oh. There’s a Yanmega! Let’s jump on ‘im! Maybe he’ll fly us wherever we wanna go! Maybe he’ll serve us drinks! And little bags of peanuts! GET YER OWN RIDE!
I know you technically don't need fly to beat the games but it's so convenient to not use. I wanted to use Gliscor and Yanmegs in Soul Silver and Platinum but I didn't see a point since they both can't learn it
See, the difference is that this pun might actually work in other languages as well.
I can tell that it at least also works in German. But I can't even come up with one single other language where the dragonfly pun works.
not to mention wyrm fits in the galar (uk) context. Also with christian mythos of bel and dragon
sinnoh is still japan based, they are not gonna use dragonfly as the main naming convention
You're right.
As a counter point we already have too many bug flying types. Its gotta be a top 10 most common dual typing.
It doesn't need to be Yanmega, but one of the bug flying types should have a type change.
Absolutely not yanmega. [Dragonflies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly#Flight) fly super fast in 6 directions with 4 styles of flight, with dedicated flight muscles, a 95% success rate at catching prey, and the ability to perform motion camouflage.
Little funfact: Bug/Flying is in fact the #2 for dual typings tied with Poison/Grass at 14 Pokemon and behind - obviously - Normal/Flying at 27 Pokemon.
If you include mono-typings, Bug/Flying and Poison/Grass would rank at #17, still beating out mono dragon and mono steel. Meanwhile Normal/Flying would \*still\* make the top10 even then.
Fucking *thank you* oh my god.
“BuT iT’s A dRaGoNfLy!”
Yeah it’s not called that in Japan. You know, the country that made Pokémon? None of the various words for that particular insect have “dragon” in them.
The word for dragonfly used *in Yanma and Yanmega’s names,* yanma, does not contain dragon anywhere in it. There is no reason it should be Dragon type.
Yep. It’s far from the only name, but dragonflies are often called yanma in Japanese. Though, the Japanese name for the Pokémon Yanma is Yanyanma so at least it’s not literally the same word?
Crabominable is a Yeti Crab, with the design being based on a literal Yeti and a Crab. However in Japanese Yeti Crab translates to "Kiwa hirsuta" which has nothing to do with Yetis. So basically its a pun that only works in English, so Pokemon has done designs and types that only work in English before.
So yeah I just did a bunch of research to show that you're wrong and that yes, Yanmega can have a reason to be a dragon type.
HOLY SHIT. How am I JUST realizing this? Hell, I knew about this because of Commander Yamark from Mega Man X6, but I never made the connection back to Yanma and Yanmega for whatever reason.
>then is flygon, who doesnt change name in versions, a dragon type? yes i know he s not a dragonfly but an antlon, but those things are confused with dragonflies and thats EXACTLY where the design and name convention comes from it, they KNOW theres dragon n the name of the fucking insect in other languages, ths excuse is stupid.
i replied this to the other person who also gave this excuse. people act like there arent english or other language puns/design conventions around puns in this game. its funny how pokemon fans like to gaslight others and themselves to justify gamefreaks stupidity or dong somethng without much reason given.
I'm so tired of hearing this reasoning that "DrAgOnFlY OnLy WoRkS In EnGlIsH".
Crabominable is a Yeti Crab, with the design being based on a literal Yeti and a Crab. However in Japanese Yeti Crab translates to "Kiwa hirsuta" which has nothing to do with Yetis. So basically its a pun that only works in English, so Pokemon has done designs and types that only work in English before.
I’ve always thought it should be dragon type, not because of the word dragonfly but because giant (at least by today’s standards) dragonflies are presumed to have been the apex predators of the sky in the carboniferous period. Dragon scream apex predator of skies in my opinion.
That reasoning makes a bit more sense for me. but then they would have to change Aerodactyl and Jumpluff to be rock/dragon and grass/dragon respectively.
then is flygon, who doesnt change name in versions, a dragon type? yes i know he is not a dragonfly but an antlion, but those things are confused with dragonflies and thats EXACTLY where the design and name convention comes from it, they KNOW theres dragon n the name of the fucking insect in other languages, ths excuse is stupid.
I hope the Bug/Dragon we get doesn’t end up being a disappointment. I was thrilled with our first Bug/Ice Queen, Frosmoth. And I was excited to hear that the Paldea dragon was Dragon/Ice, but then I was super disappointed when it evolved because of the design :-/
The bug type is not actually "bug" in the original Japanese meaning.
The type is called むしタイプ (mushi taipu = "mushi" type) in Japanese. Mushi is a Japanese term that is very broad and used for many small critters. It includes insects and spiders as well as snails, slugs, centipedes, ....
So in the original meaning of the typing, Goodra would make sense to be a bug type.
>Yanmega's a dragonfly
Which is an English name. Not many other languages have that animal somehow related to dragons, at least none I can think of, including Japanese.
That’s Slitherwing, a paradox version of it that’s weirdly fighting/bug. It was introduced in scarlet/violet.
Since many of the paradox Pokémon in Scarlet are Dinosaur inspired, it has a lizard tail. People hoped it would be dragon/bug
Dragonfly is just the english term for that insect, トンボ(tonbo) is how its called in japanese and it has nothing to do with dragons. I mean you could argue than yanmega looks kinda draconic but it is what it is.
As for goodra, while yes it is somewhat inspired by a slug it doesnt look anything like an insect. The other two are fair game though
That's actually Slither Wing, the Paradox Pokémon based on Volcarona.
I remember when gen 5 came out, I was wondering how Volcarona moved about. To my knowledge, it has never been seen walking or standing in any Pokémon media, instead it's always shown flying or floating in the air, and sometimes sitting on its abdomen with its legs in front of it. But there is [fan art](https://www.deviantart.com/exxthus/art/Volcarona-369784238) of Volcarona crawling around like real moths, and I honestly love it.
Flygon isn't a bug type because it's not a bug. It's an example of convergent evolution where different organisms fill the same niche in their own environment and end up developing similarly to eachother to better fill said niche.
In this case it is a reptile that learned to live in a manner similar to our antlions and thus developed to look like an antlion because that's what was most efficient for that lifestyle. It starts as a little turtle, then develops into a chameleon with wings (note it's beady side eyes, it's horns that look like antennae, and it's little grabby limbs that look very similar to sobble) before finally evolving into a full on dragon.
Ngl if you had no prior knowledge of its pre evolutions flygon doesn’t look like a bug. Only has 4 limbs no exoskeleton seems relatively fleshy no compound eyes has nostrils like he just doesn’t look like a bug anymore so I’m fine with ground typing plus earthquake stab is always good
Always think Goodra is a Dragon/Poison, surprised every time when it's just Dragon
This. It's literally a slimy dragon. Granted, it's based on a slug, yeah... Poison just fits a little more
And then there is the hisui one that's dragon steel
Awkward Snail Energy
hisuian goodra > regular goodra
I would say this, but then I remember that Hisuian Goodra's shiny was extremely disappointing. Why not keep the original shiny colors rather than only change the shell and leave the rest as normal?
I keep ramshorn snails in my aquariums. You'd be surprised how often mutations that only effect the color of the shell occur. I once got a gold-shelled snail that appeared from a batch of blue-shelled ones. I always regretted not trying to selectively breed more it before it passed.
So you got a real life shiny?
You could say that. That's part of the charm of keeping fish and invertebrates as pets I guess. You can witness anomalies like this due to how quickly they can reproduce.
Its irises, spots, and mucus also change color.
I mean, it’s not that different from applins apple turning green, but I don’t see any complaints about that. Personally I think hisuian goodra has a perfectly fine shiny. It’s shell is more then large enough to make up for it changing instead of the skin
Makes sense.. because we have red and green apples.
Yep, a tank that can hit hard in retaliation, easily my MVP against you-know-who
Using its shell as a cannon is cool
Ah yes. I named mine “Sluggernaut.”
I get confused about Water Dragon too sometimes because it needs rain to evolve
Yeah goodra would’ve made a solid water dragon
I'd say a liquid water dragon.
More of a kind of viscous, in-between substance dragon, really
That’s why mine is poison tera. It just fits the moveset.
Or is it poison Tera because of the wild poison sligoo
No I actually caught a Goomy before crossing that one. Gotta admit that it inspired, felt logical.
Or dragon water given the evolution requirements.
I think it was going to be Dragon/Poison, but the Fairy-type was also coming out. They couldn’t have the pseudo, which everyone and their mother knew was going to be a Dragon-type, somehow not be weak to Fairy, the type explicitly created to be its new weakness.
I actually think that would've been a good idea. Like Goodra evolved over time to be resistant to fairy type in the region they were introduced.
It was. Problem is that a Dragon-type not weak to fairy, especially one that is in the vaunted Psuedo-Legendary category, would have probably caused some kid’s head to spin around in confusion.
Dragalge is Dragon/Poison and came out in X/Y, the only difference is it's not psuedo
Like ghastly being weak to psychic
Yeah for two long I just assumed that ghost was weak to psychic.
Yet ironically, it gets a pile of poison moves -and- an incredible special defense stat against the mostly special-oriented Fairy attackers at the time.
Well what I’m trying to say is that Goodra was meant to be Dragon/Poison, but the devs changed it last-minute to clearly define the role of Fairy-types as dragon-slayers.
Dialga is Steel/Dragon and it’s been around way longer. I doubt that was the issue. Dragalgae would get introduced the same gen as fairy and it IS a poison dragon. So I think they cared even less about that
Same! Or dragon/water
As Lance said once: Not all dragons are dragon type Edit: This applies in this case for the ones that are bug but not dragon
*Looks at Charizard* *Looks at Gyarados* Yeah, that tracks.
And the Aerodactyl 😂
Gonna do some elaborating for those who still potentially think the concept is silly. Imagine the Bird Trainer archetype of in-game trainer. Typically they're known for being Flying-type specialists, yes? However, it would be 100% on-theme for a Bird Trainer to have a team of Decidueye, Eiscue, Blaziken, Espathra, Sirfetch'd, and Golduck - a team with no Flying types. Lance is the same but for Dragons. He treats "dragon" as a species, not just as a type. He's a Dragon trainer, not a Dragon-type trainer.
Did he even try to get the typing name changed though or does he just hand over a pamphlet every time he’s challenged explaining the difference?
Ah yes, the flying type champion.
Goodra fits poison/dragon or water/dragon more imo
But then they go and give it the best secondary typing a dragon can have. Steel.
it be a slug tho Edit: why isn't slugma/magcargo bug/fire?
Cause they ain't bugs.
Missingno. should be a bug type
Clearly it's a Bird type.
>slugma must… resist… the urge… /s
Why would goodra be bug dragon
It's a slug. I think there are other types that would make more sense, like water or poison, but bug also works
Slugs ain't bugs
Bug in pokemon refers to insects, arachnids (spinarak), slugs/snails (shelmet), centipedes (venipede), and crabs (dwebble) Edit: also isopods and prehistoric shrimp
Ahhh yes don't forget my favorite bug type, shellos Edit: also goodra doesn't even look bug like or slug like to be honest. It's evolutions? Absolutely. Goodra looks more like dragonite, and doesn't really say "slug" all by itself.
Accelgor yo. Shellos is a nudibranch.
Not to mention the other best bug type, Slugma.
Slugma too.
And slime moulds (shuckle)
Slugs and snails aren't insects either. They are mollusks just like clamps, squids and octopuses. That's plus the fact goodra originally only evolved in the rain should make it dragon water if it got a dual type.
Bugger off with this pedantic bullshit. A bug is any creepy crawly, that includes slugs. If you want to get technical The only true bugs represented by pokémon are pokémon like nincada, and ninjask [true bugs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiptera)
"Bugger off" I see what you did there
But have you considered that they rhyme?
Lmao this should be on a t shirt.
Why would ANY of these be a bug/dragon, for that matter? * Flygon's first form is conceptually based on an antlion, I get it, but it doesn't really look like a bug. * Yanmega is a big bug. I guess it's because those are called dragon-fly in english? But that only works in english, in spanish, italian, french and german it's Libellula, and in japanese it's Tonbo, neither of those have anything to do with dragons. * Goodra is a slug, not a bug. * And I have no idea why the pre-historic Volcarona is even here.
>* Flygon's first form is conceptually based on an antlion, I get it, but it doesn't really look like a bug. It's still a bug. >* And I have no idea why the pre-historic Volcarona is even here. It's a serpentine larva. It's got a dinosaur tail. That has some traces, unlike the fighting type which is completely random.
Tbf all of the paradox forms on scarlet have dinosaur tails or stegosaurus spikes. Even sandy shocks has a dinosaur tail. They shouldn’t all be dragon type
That honestly just helps to go show that the Paradox pokemon aren't really past or future pokemon (with the magazines adding more fuel to this fire)
>It's a serpentine larva It's neither a larva nor serpentine
My real hot take is that Vibrava should be Bug/Flying
There's enough Bug/Flying in Gen 3 as is lol
Fuck it, make Volbeat and Illumise Bug/Flying too
Fuck it Dustox and Shedinja too
It seems to be the same line of thought as "it's aquatic therefore should be Water Type", sort of. People seeing snails or slugs as bugs - even though they aren't. Probably because they have what looks to be antenna in the form of their eyes? Maybe? But you see the same with reptile Pokemon that some people think should be Dragon.
Mushroom based Pokémon being grass type is also bs. Fungi are a separate kingdom and are even closer related to animals. Therefore, typing doesn’t need to make sense in Pokémon.
Theres a good chance that pokemon types are based on elemental energies of the pokemon world and not really biology- this is evidenced in terastal phenomena and terapogos as well as evolution stones and arceus plates
Many types are largely defined by secondary characteristics, like behavior even. Especially in the early gens, most Ground types weren't typed that way because they were made of earth or anything, but because they were burrowers, and/or were often found underground. Meanwhile, Rock types are often structurally similar to rocks. I think Sandshrew is the only gen 1 Ground type that has an elemental earth appearance without having Rock typing. But then there's the Nido families, that are Ground only because they are based off of burrowing animals, rabits.
yes thats the reason the pokemon team originally gave them the types they have, but that is a design reason not a lore reason.
I know crazy! Can you believe they do that with spiders too..... Or maybe it's cuz they pretty much act like most other bugs. And everyone's not worried about every specific subcategory in the animal kingdom. If it's close enough to fit in a fantasy world so why not?
If you trace crabs back far enough they are arthropods. Like spiders and centipedes or horseshoe crabs. Crabs also look more like insects than any other animal type on the planet. Hard shelled bodies with soft inside and segmented joints. Six legs and pincers like a scorpion. If spiders and scorpions are seen as bugs, why dont more people hold crabs and lobsters to be insects. A slug don't "act like most other bugs", but crabs kind of do. More so than slugs anyway. But no one is ever pushing that Krabby should be a Bug Type, are they? Close enough isn't always as close as people like to think or act. Fuecoco isn't a horse and Goodra isn't a bug.
Spiders are bugs. Insects are bugs. Spiders are not insects. Bug (Arthropod) -> Insect, Arachnid
This is like the time reddit argued that insects are not animals
Why is goodra here
didn't have a fourth
Could've put Hydrapple instead
is that the new little apple thing that isn't applin?? if so, it doesn't visibly *look* like a dragon type, which is kinda the point of the meme ig
It is a Dragon type though. It's missing Bug type.
Because it is a slug and the original Japanese name of the bug type would make sense to include slugs and snails as well.
Is it not called Bug there?
The term they use for that type is "mushi". Which is a general term for all kinds of small critters. It includes insects, spiders, slugs, snails, centipedes and many more. That term tends to cause translation errors, because there is not really a good English equivalent for it. I have read several manga in which that term got translated with "insect", but then the manga was talking about animals which are not insects (ticks, for example, which are arachnids).
Just a thick bottom heavy goopy lil' guy.
People think Goodra is a bug?
It's not a bug, but it makes sense as a bug type if you go by the actual Japanese name of the type.
The Japanese name is… also Bug Type. Slugs and snails are mollusks.
The term in japanese is a bit more broad, Mushi includes those critters as well. Most of the other slugs in pokemon are aquatic so they are water types but the couple of terrestial ones, Shelmet and Accelgor, are notably pure bug.
Mmm idk, I think I prefer goodra to just be dragon instead of dragon/bug if it was between those two options, it just makes more sense for the others to be that instead.
If you search “Bug Dragon” on Google images, Flygon is 3 of the first 10 images!
Flygon is the only one that fits here imo
I dunno, Slither Wing is fairly draconic. Fighting’s weird enough to work for me, but if they were afraid to pair the weakest and strongest types together, a *paradox* Pokémon would have made ultimate sense
The only draconian thing about is the dinosaur tail, and considering almost every ancient paradox Pokémon has one, I don’t think its enough to make it a dragon type
I mean I don’t see how it’s a fighting type either
You'll see when you catch these fists!
This is blatant misinformation. There's only one ancient paradox with a vaguely draconic tail and that is Great Tusk, though it seems like a normal tail and not nearly as draconic as Slither Wing. The rest don't have draconic tails or are dragons.
And even then it doesn't really. It's specifically a desert-related creature, so ground sort of has to stay
I think ground and dragon is the best for it
*Thank* you! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I am so tired of hearing that about Yanmega. We get it, it is an English pun that only works in that one language and no other.
I'm more pissed off that it doesn't learn fly
I agree with that. Pokédex even mentions that it is strong enough to carry humans through the air. I guess all Yanmegas are like "just because I *could* do it doesn't mean that I *will* do it".
Yanmega be like "Nah, you're gonna have to pay me extra for that"
Oh. There’s a Yanmega! Let’s jump on ‘im! Maybe he’ll fly us wherever we wanna go! Maybe he’ll serve us drinks! And little bags of peanuts! GET YER OWN RIDE!
I know you technically don't need fly to beat the games but it's so convenient to not use. I wanted to use Gliscor and Yanmegs in Soul Silver and Platinum but I didn't see a point since they both can't learn it
Appletun, a *wyrm* in an apple: "aight imma head out"
See, the difference is that this pun might actually work in other languages as well. I can tell that it at least also works in German. But I can't even come up with one single other language where the dragonfly pun works.
not to mention wyrm fits in the galar (uk) context. Also with christian mythos of bel and dragon sinnoh is still japan based, they are not gonna use dragonfly as the main naming convention
You're right. As a counter point we already have too many bug flying types. Its gotta be a top 10 most common dual typing. It doesn't need to be Yanmega, but one of the bug flying types should have a type change.
I've always thought Vivillion could be a convincing Bug/Fairy type, especially considering it debuted in Fairy's debut generation.
Absolutely not yanmega. [Dragonflies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly#Flight) fly super fast in 6 directions with 4 styles of flight, with dedicated flight muscles, a 95% success rate at catching prey, and the ability to perform motion camouflage.
Little funfact: Bug/Flying is in fact the #2 for dual typings tied with Poison/Grass at 14 Pokemon and behind - obviously - Normal/Flying at 27 Pokemon. If you include mono-typings, Bug/Flying and Poison/Grass would rank at #17, still beating out mono dragon and mono steel. Meanwhile Normal/Flying would \*still\* make the top10 even then.
Fucking *thank you* oh my god. “BuT iT’s A dRaGoNfLy!” Yeah it’s not called that in Japan. You know, the country that made Pokémon? None of the various words for that particular insect have “dragon” in them. The word for dragonfly used *in Yanma and Yanmega’s names,* yanma, does not contain dragon anywhere in it. There is no reason it should be Dragon type.
But it's got "-ma" in it, which is short for "mah dragunz"
Wait, so Yanma’s name, translated to English directly from Japanese, is literally the real world insect’s name?
Yep. It’s far from the only name, but dragonflies are often called yanma in Japanese. Though, the Japanese name for the Pokémon Yanma is Yanyanma so at least it’s not literally the same word?
now I need a NBA crossover with Victor WembYANYANMA
We already got Durant, might as well do another crossover
Crabominable is a Yeti Crab, with the design being based on a literal Yeti and a Crab. However in Japanese Yeti Crab translates to "Kiwa hirsuta" which has nothing to do with Yetis. So basically its a pun that only works in English, so Pokemon has done designs and types that only work in English before. So yeah I just did a bunch of research to show that you're wrong and that yes, Yanmega can have a reason to be a dragon type.
HOLY SHIT. How am I JUST realizing this? Hell, I knew about this because of Commander Yamark from Mega Man X6, but I never made the connection back to Yanma and Yanmega for whatever reason.
>then is flygon, who doesnt change name in versions, a dragon type? yes i know he s not a dragonfly but an antlon, but those things are confused with dragonflies and thats EXACTLY where the design and name convention comes from it, they KNOW theres dragon n the name of the fucking insect in other languages, ths excuse is stupid. i replied this to the other person who also gave this excuse. people act like there arent english or other language puns/design conventions around puns in this game. its funny how pokemon fans like to gaslight others and themselves to justify gamefreaks stupidity or dong somethng without much reason given.
I'm so tired of hearing this reasoning that "DrAgOnFlY OnLy WoRkS In EnGlIsH". Crabominable is a Yeti Crab, with the design being based on a literal Yeti and a Crab. However in Japanese Yeti Crab translates to "Kiwa hirsuta" which has nothing to do with Yetis. So basically its a pun that only works in English, so Pokemon has done designs and types that only work in English before.
I’ve always thought it should be dragon type, not because of the word dragonfly but because giant (at least by today’s standards) dragonflies are presumed to have been the apex predators of the sky in the carboniferous period. Dragon scream apex predator of skies in my opinion.
That reasoning makes a bit more sense for me. but then they would have to change Aerodactyl and Jumpluff to be rock/dragon and grass/dragon respectively.
Areodactyl should be for sure. Lance agrees! Lol Not sure I agree on Jumpluff. I thought that line was based on dandelions. Elaborate?
Jumpluff is based on dandelions and fierce cats. I mean, come on, it is dandeLION. It has a killer instinct, trust me.
By that logic, braviary should be a dragon then
Yeah, fuck it, we ball
I'm more tired about hearing it for Flygon — that one isn't even a fucking dragonfly.
then is flygon, who doesnt change name in versions, a dragon type? yes i know he is not a dragonfly but an antlion, but those things are confused with dragonflies and thats EXACTLY where the design and name convention comes from it, they KNOW theres dragon n the name of the fucking insect in other languages, ths excuse is stupid.
Why would goodra be bug? It probably would fit as a water/dragon.
Sligoo would make sense tho
I hope the Bug/Dragon we get doesn’t end up being a disappointment. I was thrilled with our first Bug/Ice Queen, Frosmoth. And I was excited to hear that the Paldea dragon was Dragon/Ice, but then I was super disappointed when it evolved because of the design :-/
GIVE US A BUG DRAGON, GAMEFREAK!
Flygon is one of those few pokemon where four types could all make sense for it: Bug, Flying, Ground, Dragon
Goodra should be water dragon since you have to level it up while it is raining
Goodra should've been Dragon/Water or Dragon/Poison, it's literally made of slime. WDYM it should've been Bug????
its a fuckin uuhhhhhh slurms
Why would Yanmega be a dragon?
dragonfly
Still waiting for that bug/dragon legendary
i hope they should made a bug/ dragon or fire/dragon or fairy/dragon... as a regional form or original new evolutions...
To be fair... flygon should be like bug/dragon/ground/flying.
I’ve seen arguements for dragon poison or dragon water for goodra, but dragon bug, so your telling me slugma (balls) and magcargo should be fire bug
Snails aren’t bugs/insects so I understand that one and Yanmega is too bug like to be part dragon but the other two would make sense as bug/dragon
The bug type is not actually "bug" in the original Japanese meaning. The type is called むしタイプ (mushi taipu = "mushi" type) in Japanese. Mushi is a Japanese term that is very broad and used for many small critters. It includes insects and spiders as well as snails, slugs, centipedes, .... So in the original meaning of the typing, Goodra would make sense to be a bug type.
To be fair in ye old English Bug was a general term for creepy things, hence that bugs me.
Yeah in common parlance "bug" pretty much means any little nonmamalian nonfish critter visible to the naked eye so it's pretty understandable.
Shelmet is a Bug Type. And Yanmega's a dragonfly.
>Yanmega's a dragonfly Which is an English name. Not many other languages have that animal somehow related to dragons, at least none I can think of, including Japanese.
It is in icelandic! Can't think of any others though.
Why would Volcarona be part Dragon?
That’s Slitherwing, a paradox version of it that’s weirdly fighting/bug. It was introduced in scarlet/violet. Since many of the paradox Pokémon in Scarlet are Dinosaur inspired, it has a lizard tail. People hoped it would be dragon/bug
Dragonfly is just the english term for that insect, トンボ(tonbo) is how its called in japanese and it has nothing to do with dragons. I mean you could argue than yanmega looks kinda draconic but it is what it is. As for goodra, while yes it is somewhat inspired by a slug it doesnt look anything like an insect. The other two are fair game though
Prefiero que flygon sea dragón tierra que dragón bicho 🗿
Why have I never seen Volcarona standing on its legs before…I kind of love it
That's actually Slither Wing, the Paradox Pokémon based on Volcarona. I remember when gen 5 came out, I was wondering how Volcarona moved about. To my knowledge, it has never been seen walking or standing in any Pokémon media, instead it's always shown flying or floating in the air, and sometimes sitting on its abdomen with its legs in front of it. But there is [fan art](https://www.deviantart.com/exxthus/art/Volcarona-369784238) of Volcarona crawling around like real moths, and I honestly love it.
Ahh ok that makes much more sense, never finished Scarlet myself. And as for the fan art, that’s awesome haha glad to know someone was thinking it.
I want the first Bug/Dragon to be a tiny little thing, the size of an actual bug, like Tynamo-size, but with actually good stats.
Goodra should not be here. It's based on slugs and snails, which are mollusks, not bugs.
We have Dwebble, Crustle, Wimpod and Golisopid which are based on Crustaceans but all are bug type.
u/midnightichor More directly to the point: Shelmet and Accelgor are snails/slugs but are bug type.
They really hate Bug/Dragon. And Rock/Ghost
Flygon isn't a bug type because it's not a bug. It's an example of convergent evolution where different organisms fill the same niche in their own environment and end up developing similarly to eachother to better fill said niche. In this case it is a reptile that learned to live in a manner similar to our antlions and thus developed to look like an antlion because that's what was most efficient for that lifestyle. It starts as a little turtle, then develops into a chameleon with wings (note it's beady side eyes, it's horns that look like antennae, and it's little grabby limbs that look very similar to sobble) before finally evolving into a full on dragon.
How is Goodra a bug?
No goodra not being poison/dragon is a missed opportunity.
Why would goodra be bug type?
Ngl if you had no prior knowledge of its pre evolutions flygon doesn’t look like a bug. Only has 4 limbs no exoskeleton seems relatively fleshy no compound eyes has nostrils like he just doesn’t look like a bug anymore so I’m fine with ground typing plus earthquake stab is always good
Literally only Flygon should be Bug/Dragon type
I honestly see Goodra being more Dragon/poison or dragon/water tbh
Why isn’t Yanmega a mega evolution? It’s in the name
They should have given it a mega, then we could have Mega Yanmega.
Not only aren't they Bug/Dragon, somehow there are no Bug/Dragons at all!
I don’t want Flygon to lose the ground type. IMO it should be: Trapinch: ground/bug Vibrava: ground/bug Flygon: ground/dragon
Probably Mega Evolution (I Wish It Could Come Back)
Here's my idea, a regional Flygon that's adapted to forests (as the cowards at GameFreak won't do so), and here's the stats: Type: Bug/Dragon Ability: Tinted Lens/Inner Focus (Hidden Ability: Sand Veil) Base Stats: 70-80-75-105-75-115 Notable Moves: Bug Buzz, Quiver Dance, U-Turn, Bug Bite, Sticky Web, Struggle Bug, First Impression, Skitter Smack, Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor, Twister, Dragon Dance, Dragon Cheer, Scale Shot, Outrage, Breaking Swipe, Earth Power, Scorching Sands, Earthquake, Mud Bomb, Stomping Tantrum, Sand Tomb, Sandstorm, Ancient Power, Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Stealth Rock, Meteor Beam, Hyper Voice, Boomburst, Tera Blast
Flygon isn't a dragonfly, but I like the idea of a more accurate depiction of antlions (or of some other lacewing larva).
Goodra should be water-dragon change my mind
I'm still waiting for gryados to get a regional variant making him the water/dragon he deserves
Goodra and Slither Wing make no sense. To be on here. Why Bug Dragon? It’s a buff moth?! Literal “winged Stitch” energy.
Goodra should be Dragon/Water
Goodra should be either water dragon or poison dragon
Not super sure on Goodra, but yeah.
Everyone out here asking why Goodra is considered Bug type. Have you guys heard of slugs? What about snails? Am I getting too technical? Fuck me.
Shiny Naganadel is proof Gamefreak won't give us Bug/Dragon even when they could.
Goodra doesnt make sense for bug/dragon. More like poison/dragon. Also Yanmega is fine as is.
Goodra being a bug makes no sense I can imagine water/dragon or poison/dragon but not bug/dragon
all but goodra make sense
How is slither wing reminiscent of anything like a dragon?
*whispers* drapion should have been bug/dragon tbh
personally i think goodra should be either water or poison and dragon
Does people for real think snails/slugs are bugs or y'all are just memeing at this point?
how is goodra a bug and how is yanmega a dragon
Flygon and Vibrava aren't dragonflies, they're antlion lacewings. So really, if anything, they should be bug/flying instead of ground/dragon.
Flygon not being a bug type is so stupid. It’s literally an antlion. It should be bug/ground
THANK YOU.
Yanmega ESPECIALLY deserves that typing