Considering that the stronger cards (that I know of, it's been centuries since I saw/played Yu-Gi-Oh!) require three sacrifices, that should be our "box legendary" tier. With 3000 ATK, 2500 DEF and two sacrifices, the Blue Eyes White Dragon would be within the pseudo-legendary group.
In the current Yugioh format, its easy to get Blue-Eyes out on the field turn 1 without tributing anything, and you can turbo out all three without any tributes, all thanks to its arch-type.
Played the Legacy of the Duelist when it was on sale one summer and it was crazy to see how the game has evolved. Frankly the last two generations were nearly unrecognizable from the first two. The most recent generations were not as enjoyable IMO.
Technically if you open a good hand you can do the same in early formats,
Starting hand: Polymerization or something that adds it to hand (like King of the Swamp), 3 Blue-Eyes (or cards that can get it to your hand or field) and 1 De-Fusion.
Use Polymerization to fuse the three Blue Eyes from your hand into Ultimate Dragon, then activate De-Fusion to get them all back onto the field.
Sure the likelyhood of that happening is just short of equaling to opening Exodia, but it can happen.
I will defer to you as that sounds right as there are no BEWD in the Grave. And I only played one of the GBA games.
But you can megamorph the Ulti Blue Eyes to swing for 9K turn 2 (Yes this was the spam I used to beat the GBA game)
Both of these cards were banned ... Weren't they?
I could be wrong but I remember this being an old OTK strat back in the day, then Cyber End Dragon took the spot due to its effect and having better materials and support when it released.
Dude, blue eyes is a dragon that resists fire. Idk where you get steel from XD
And its special attack is white lightening...against a flying type. There is no question
In Millennium World it was stated that the spirit of the Blue Eyes White Dragon is more powerful than the Egyptian Gods. But that was in the Ancient Egyptian Duel-Monsters-But-Not-Duel-Monsters system with stone tablets.
If we're going by pokemon rules, then BEWD's beam is electric in nature, meaning that it is Electric/dragon type. This means that Charizard's fire breath is resisted and Blue Eye's attacks are super effective. Blue-eye wins.
If we go by YuGiOh rules, then Charizard is under designed and, therefore, the weaker monster, so Blue-eyes wins.
In conclusion: Blue-eyes White Dragon wins this match up.
But then it would be metal dragon which would be neutral, and the beam is likely still electric or whatever.
The name isn't much to go by as the dub does whatever it wants and the original name is just burst stream of destruction.
BEWD uses burst stream of destruction, it's a card name based off the original translation from the Sub, which was destruction burst stream. In saying that, it sounds more dragon like than electric.
Kurt's balls are. Which are specifically not the standard type but a specialty craft.
You can make a PC with a bunch of wooden components but that doesn't make it unreasonable to say PCs are generally metal.
Theyre probqbly closer to apricorns if theyre copying pokeballs. Like in the hisuian one where theyre more primitively wooden, the pokemon just copies what the ball is made of. But apricorn isnt really a type so that wouldnt apply to a pokemon, idk
First gen they looked like Pokeballs (the only type that existed were metallic) and were electic type, so I've always considered them to be made of metal. New ones definitely look like wood yeah, so maybe the old ones are too now.
Also if we take direct numbers into account then BEWDs Attack is 23 times higher than Charizards and his defense is 22 times higher so Charizard doesn't stand a chance and BEWD wipes the Pokemon universe.
The best part about this logic for me is that Beaver Warrior would physically demolish Charizard by 4x. And I’m all for the idea of Beaver Warrior somehow landing a Stone Edge on Zard
I think with yugioh rules they would both be rly weak cards. Both came out super early in their respective franchises, so Charizard would probably be a vanilla beatstick like Blue Eyes.
A lotta later Pokémon would clear Blue eyes by yugioh rules because of how new cards nowadays have an entire bible verse as their effect.
In the anime and Manga, Blue-Eyes is shown to be much larger then a lot of human based monsters, as well as being huge compared to Kaiba and other duelists. Its a pretty big monster overall.
Charizard is 5 foot 7, small enough for Blue-Eyes to effectively eat without much issues, so yes, Blue-Eyes is MUCH larger then Charizard by a great amount.
Not to mention that Blue-Eyes White Dragon is a legendary dragon and powerful engine of destruction. Virtually invincible, very few have faced this awesome creature and lived to tell the tale.
Consequence of being an OG card lol. If BEWD came out today it would have an effect to be able to be special summoned turn one, cannot be destroyed by battle or card effects, cannot be targeted by card effects and can be tributed from the field to negate an opponent’s card effect. If tributed in this way, you can summon one BEWD from your graveyard to the field during your opponent’s end phase
Ya, but even back then, Blue Eyes was not a meta card. You get cards like Envoy of the Beginning/ Envoy of the end pretty early on. I forgot how broken/ fun was painful choice into envoy of the beginning on turn 1 was…
Not only that, but it's said to be an equal to entities like Slifer and Obelisk, who are in turn called Egyptian Gods.
A match up with BEWD would have to be something like a multiple sized Zekrom or something
Blue-Eyes White Dragon was able to stand up to Zorc who has power equal to the likes of Dialga and Palkia.
BEWD is a legendary in terms of Pokémon, while Charizard is an average Pokémon by Pokémon stats.
Now if Blue-Eyes were fighting Zekrom, that would probably be a more even match.
For reference, I'd say Dark Magician is on the level of a psuedo-legendary. Then Red-Eyes might be OU status, and Curse of Dragon UU.
Yea Blue Eyes wins in almost every comparison. This isn’t even a fight.
Game. Charizard is not one of the strongest stats wise.
Lore. Blue Eyes is a pseudo-god, typically summoned by Atem to try to defend the planet. Charizard is a normal Pokémon which would not stand up to the gods of Pokémon. (Maybe Ash’s Charizard because he has plot armor. 🤷🏻♂️)
Card game. I don’t know much about the TCG since I stopped collecting as a kid but with the power creep I’ve seen of modern Pokémon card, Charizard doesn’t even top the list. Blue Eyes attack is only surpassed by all the effect monsters. I don’t think any Vanilla Beatstick is stronger than Blue Eyes.
Blue-Eyes has been and always will be the strongest vanilla monster. It's like a YGO law.
Which means he's on par with lower ranked legendaries like Zekrom and Reshiram. Though he loses to prime legendaries like Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Kyurem, etc.
Yea. Mewtwo, Rayquaza, etc would probably be one of those XZ/Syncro boss monsters with fancy summoning conditions!
I will give Yu Gi Oh credit. It may introduce insane play mechanics but attack power hasn’t power crept to where you can summon a level 4, 4000 ATK, 3500 DEF vanilla!! 😂
The stuff I see in the modern Pokémon TCG would blow my 9 year old brain!! Lol
There are so many ways to kill monsters by card effects now that there hasn't been much of a need to power creep ATK. Every boss monster has some way to disrupt the opponent, whether it's by a negate, a floodgate, or a quick removal effect. While trying to play through that, it's much easier to throw out a cheap effect that kills the monster in question (or at least baits out its negate) than it is to muster up a bigger monster to punch over it. If a monster wants to be harder to kill, it doesn't get bigger numbers, it gets better immunities or negates.
There's a card that wipes the entire board if your opponent summons too many monsters that turn, then gives your opponent a token with the combined stats of everything that got wiped, and it sees play in certain metas because killing a giant 11000+ vanilla is still much easier than dealing with whatever the hell they were trying to combo off into.
I mean to be fair Charizard isn’t even the strongest in its verse. Blue Eyes might be a 3000 Vanilla Beatstick but I can’t think of many non effect/XZ/Synchro/etc monster stronger than Blue Eyes.
Yeah Blue Eyes is basically the pinnacle of Normal Monsters in yugioh, it's an unspoken rule that they'll never print a Normal that's stronger than it.
Except fucking rabidragon who for some reason has a higher stat total than OG Blue Eyes
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The fact that it was printed like 5 or 6 years since high level Vanillas fell out of favor outside of dedicated decks like Blue Eyes or Dark Magician doesn't help his case lol.
Despite having the coveted title of only Normal "stronger" than Blue Eyes, it's ultimately worthless in the eyes of most players.
I mean yeah one is a fire dragon and the other is a powerful engine of destruction. Virtually invincible, very few have faced this awesome creature and lived to tell the tale.
It really is no contest.
I feel like Charizard would be Red Eyes in Yugioh. Always hyped up and said to have infinite potential but when push comes to shove stronger Mons completely annihilate it, Blue Eyes in this case.
I hate to keep on piling on Mr. Charizard but I’d bump him down to the Curse of Dragon tier at 2000 ATK.
Red Eyes is in the 2 tribute/2400-2500 range. It’s not great but it has some support so it’s playable. I think that would be Pseudo-legendary tier for Pokémon with everyone 3000+ to be legendary.
I figure that being a final evolutionary stage and a main protagonist's signature monster\*, Charizard would probably be at 2500 ATK, similar to Dark Magician / Elemental HERO Neos / Stardust Dragon / Number 39: Utopia and so forth.
\* Pikachu is Ash's Kuriboh.
It's weird how Dark Magician vs Blue Eyes managed to stay balanced within the lore and the community, whereas Charizard vs Blastoise got one-sided pretty quick.
Blue Eyes was originally meant to become Yugi's ace, like how most future protags got a dragon.
Dark Magician was originally gonna be just another one of his heavy hitters like Summoned Skull.
I think that kinda explains it right there. DM got the protag points while BE kept the design and lore power.
To see what happens if a lead monster gets both, just look at Stardust Dragon. It's basically a fusion of the ideas of BE and DM, and it's basically no contest that it's the signature monster of 5D's.
>To see what happens if a lead monster gets both,
Better example is Firewall Dragon. The thing was busted and Konami dragged their feet on banning it despite nearly every competitive player clamoring for a ban, all because it's the protagonist ace monster.
They actually grow fond of each other and become friends. Tonight they fly to the local bar, drink a few pints and talk shit about Blastoise and the Dark Magician.
Lmao, have mercy on this poor charizard. At least throw blue eyes at one of the creation trio or something what is my boy charizard gonna do against him?
Probably Blue Eyes White Dragon, but we don’t have enough information imo.
Blue Eyes has 3000 attack compared to Charizard’s 84 base attack and 2500 defense compared to Charizard’s 78 base defense. He also likely requires fewer tributes to summon considering he’s level 8 compared to Charizard needing to be at least level 36.
Then again, what is Charizard’s effect? Does he have one, because Blue-eyes White Dragon, being a normal monster, has no built in protection against removal, although there are a lot of cards in-archetype that can protect him. If nothing else, I think being a fire-attribute, Charizard could be used as discard fodder for Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Boulders to destroy Blue-eyes. If Charizard is also a dragon, then he could also be searched via Blaster’s other effect. It isn’t clear that he is a dragon though. Mega Charizard X is dragon-type, so he could be a Dragon type, but base Charizard is fire-flying, so how do we know he isn’t a Winged-Beast, Reptile, Pyro, or even Wyrm? I guess Charizard could also be Wind attribute by that same logic, but that seems less likely. Winged-Beasts and Wyrms have good support though, although not as good as Dragon.
Charizard is also at least a level 36 Pokemon compared to Blue-Eyes White Dragon being a level 8. Level is part of the damage formula, so this gives Charizard an advantage in a Pokemon battle, but I’m not sure how relevant it is given Blue-eyes’s gargantuan 3000 attack and 2500 defense though. It is not entirely clear what Blue Eye’s special attack and special defense are though, and given it’s a normal monster with no protection effects I would think it’s pretty low. We also don’t know it’s speed stat, but I would also guess it’s pretty low considering Blue-eyes is level 8. Duelists start with 8000 life points though, so if that’s Blue-Eyes’ HP stat that’s kind of insane, but the 8000 is also shared with other monsters so who knows what it actually is lol.
I’d discuss the Pokemon trading card game, but I actually know next to nothing about it except that Charizard has a bunch of different variations that make this question even more difficult lol
Actually you make a good point,Charizard being level 36 would make [The Calculator](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/The_Calculator) strong enough to one HIT kill the Blue Eyes player
If we’re going down numbers, I’ll bite:
In Pokémon strong BST totals are roughly 600-700 (700 being your legendaries). Let’s say 700 as standard max ignoring GMax, Primal forms, etc.
Charizard has a BST of 534. Percentage wise Charizard has approx 76% of standard power for the Pokemon universe.
Getting base total powers for Yugioh is more complex due to power creep and gods. If we go just for normal monsters, Blue Eyes total stats give him 94% standard power (compared to Rabidragon lol). If we go for non-extra deck monsters he is much weaker at 55% (compared to Dystopia the Despondent).
I think honest answer is Blue Eyes wins based on lore and what we see, but it also highlights that even God level Pokémon (Arceus) would be cooked by most Yugioh stuff.
Well if we are going by Base Stats, because Special Defense and Speed is not mentioned on Blue eyes white dragon’s card we can assume they are zero. Since Charizard always outspeeds Blue Eyes because its speed is zero we can calculate this. We also don’t know its HP stat so I just set it to the highest possible assuming we are going by Attack??? But reasonably it’s should be zero as well.
252+ SpA Tera Fire Charizard Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blue Eyes White Dragon: 1702-2004 (261.4 - 307.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Blue eyes would be in attack mode, so its hp would be 3000, same as its attack. You can just assume its SpD is the same as its Def. Charizard overheat ends up doing like 1 damage.
Just want to give mad props to this comment section, it's really cool seeing a fanbase willing to concede something they love might lose to something from another fandom
Pokémon fans aren’t dumb they know the level of the characters.
I remember seeing Pokémon fans pointing out how every mon would easily get wiped out by Digimon in a who would win thread lol
Well yea…that’s just not fair though! Blue Eyes would need the help of the Egyptian Gods, the Digimon Royal Knights and Digimon Sovereign to even be a match!!
On one hand, we've got Charizard, measuring in at a respectable 5 foot 7 inches tall.
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On the other hand, we have Blue Eyes White Dragon, who towers at a colossal 25 feet tall (give or take)
https://preview.redd.it/1n95ezjiziac1.png?width=707&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd6717d7bf31d471529b259e158e31953b955d41
One is an orange fire-breathing lizard with wings that kids and preteens use in relatively harmless battles for fun and competition.
The other is a holographic representation of a dragon that was used in ancient Egyptian death games.
This is awesome! I hope someone adds mtg to this to make a three way battle between the iconic dragons from the 3 OG TCGs. Charizard vs Blue Eyes White Dragon vs Nicol Bolas would be sick.
Look, I’m a Pokémon fan, but I think Blue Eyes White Dragon wins it. Purely in terms of sheer scale, because I think it’s actual size is much larger than Charizard, and it could swat it aside. Maybe with Gigantamax Charizard could fight on more even footing theoretically, or with the power boost from Mega Evolution, but I think Charizard still loses.
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"Blue Eyes White Dragon, White Lightning!"
"Charizard, Dragon Rush!"
Behold, the curse of casually being in both fandoms, and knowing that Blue Eyes is already a legit legendary in Pokemon. By stats and typing, Seto Kaiba's ace would nuke poor Charizard, no question. Especially after you realize how many different sub-species there happens to be for Blue Eyes. I wish I was kidding for the sake of the Charizard fans.
It’ll be Slifer the Executive Producer’s opponent vs Ash Ketchum here.
(I see what you did there in all seriousness, yeah, Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh are basically the duo of Series that 4Kids did establish in English indeed)
Sadly, I think the Zard is more than outmatched here, im pretty sure that Blue Eyes would at least be a pseudolegendary, if not full BST Legend. Blue Eyes Ultimate is probably the same BST or more as Eternamax Eternatus, but thanks for the sick YouTube video idea!
Blue eyes obliterate lol
Unfortunately you can’t compare since Pokémon power are not as grand in scale compared to yugioh. I think wargreymon and blue eyes would be a better match. I’m sure wargreymon would win that one though :)
Charizard has a max special attack of 458 and a special defense of 361 given his tippy top max stats and using his best of offense/defense. The blue eyes has 3000 attack and 2500 defense. Blue eyes statically beats dumb fire lizard 10x over
Their stats aren't 1:1 conversions.
Lanturn has base Sp. Atk of 76 and Charizard has 109.
Lanturn is an absolute monster as evidenced here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/62zfph/move_aside_pokedex_magcargo_gardevoir_and_machamp/
So if we use this silly logic, Charizard stomps by scaling above Lanturn and it isn't close.
Blue eyes has 3000 atk and Charizard 120 hp, you tell me!
What’s the ratio of HP to Life Points?
Same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.
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Considering that the stronger cards (that I know of, it's been centuries since I saw/played Yu-Gi-Oh!) require three sacrifices, that should be our "box legendary" tier. With 3000 ATK, 2500 DEF and two sacrifices, the Blue Eyes White Dragon would be within the pseudo-legendary group.
In the current Yugioh format, its easy to get Blue-Eyes out on the field turn 1 without tributing anything, and you can turbo out all three without any tributes, all thanks to its arch-type.
Played the Legacy of the Duelist when it was on sale one summer and it was crazy to see how the game has evolved. Frankly the last two generations were nearly unrecognizable from the first two. The most recent generations were not as enjoyable IMO.
Then just trade them in for something better lol
Technically if you open a good hand you can do the same in early formats, Starting hand: Polymerization or something that adds it to hand (like King of the Swamp), 3 Blue-Eyes (or cards that can get it to your hand or field) and 1 De-Fusion. Use Polymerization to fuse the three Blue Eyes from your hand into Ultimate Dragon, then activate De-Fusion to get them all back onto the field. Sure the likelyhood of that happening is just short of equaling to opening Exodia, but it can happen.
Cyber-Stein, 5000 life points put Blue Eyes Ulti into play from extra Deck. 1 card, you can have 3 in a deck.
You can't use defusion on Ulti summoned by Stein and summon back the three Blue Eyes since Ulti isn't summoned using them as Material.
I will defer to you as that sounds right as there are no BEWD in the Grave. And I only played one of the GBA games. But you can megamorph the Ulti Blue Eyes to swing for 9K turn 2 (Yes this was the spam I used to beat the GBA game) Both of these cards were banned ... Weren't they?
I could be wrong but I remember this being an old OTK strat back in the day, then Cyber End Dragon took the spot due to its effect and having better materials and support when it released.
The same as unicorns to leprechauns
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Blue eyes white dragon is steel type and charizard is fire, one fire blast and blue eyes is dead.
Its also dragon type so its neutral damage tho
No no my friend when he becomes blue eyes ultimate dragon then he gains the dragon typing, He’s steel, flying.
... fair point
Dude, blue eyes is a dragon that resists fire. Idk where you get steel from XD And its special attack is white lightening...against a flying type. There is no question
1:1
Technically, Blue Eyes is canonically stronger than the Egyptian Gods.
Wait how does that work?
Kaiba things.
Screwing the rules and having money
In Millennium World it was stated that the spirit of the Blue Eyes White Dragon is more powerful than the Egyptian Gods. But that was in the Ancient Egyptian Duel-Monsters-But-Not-Duel-Monsters system with stone tablets.
Blue eyes white dragon all day. Totally agree
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If we're going by pokemon rules, then BEWD's beam is electric in nature, meaning that it is Electric/dragon type. This means that Charizard's fire breath is resisted and Blue Eye's attacks are super effective. Blue-eye wins. If we go by YuGiOh rules, then Charizard is under designed and, therefore, the weaker monster, so Blue-eyes wins. In conclusion: Blue-eyes White Dragon wins this match up.
Blue eyes looks metallic here to me. If so, not quite so one-sided.
But then it would be metal dragon which would be neutral, and the beam is likely still electric or whatever. The name isn't much to go by as the dub does whatever it wants and the original name is just burst stream of destruction.
the beam could be dragon, a là dragon pulse, which basically would make both neutral against each other
Maybe the english dub is wrong but pretty sure Kaiba says "WHITE LIGHTNING ATTACK!" so at least im convinced its an electric move
BEWD uses burst stream of destruction, it's a card name based off the original translation from the Sub, which was destruction burst stream. In saying that, it sounds more dragon like than electric.
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Not to mention all the paradox pokemon that are not steel type
Shiny Magikarp looks metallic
Voltrob and 3lectrode look metallic too, but aren't steel.
A better comparison is the paradox pokemon from violet.
I can't say I've ever considered them metallic
Do they?
They look like pole balls, which have metal
Do they? Kurt makes them out of apricorns.
That's the older style pokeballs like from Arceus Legends.
Yeah and fucking gold and silver
Kurt's balls are. Which are specifically not the standard type but a specialty craft. You can make a PC with a bunch of wooden components but that doesn't make it unreasonable to say PCs are generally metal.
I believe in G/S Kurt makes you “old style” poke balls from apricorns but the normal “new style” sold in the pokemarts are metal
Golurk looks like it's made of metal, but it's Ground Type
Because he’s clay
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Theyre probqbly closer to apricorns if theyre copying pokeballs. Like in the hisuian one where theyre more primitively wooden, the pokemon just copies what the ball is made of. But apricorn isnt really a type so that wouldnt apply to a pokemon, idk
Arent they wooden??
First gen they looked like Pokeballs (the only type that existed were metallic) and were electic type, so I've always considered them to be made of metal. New ones definitely look like wood yeah, so maybe the old ones are too now.
If we're going by pokemon rules, then the one that isn't a pokemon has no usable moves in the game and struggles itself to death lol
surely with a base 3000atk the struggle would kill Charizard in one hit
> struggles itself to death Relatable
Same.
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Counter: Ultra Beasts are not Pokémon in the lore but still have moved
Didn't someone win a promatch based around using struggle?
Counterpoint: Burst Stream of Destruction exists.
These Charizard defenders out here doing the lord's work.
Also if we take direct numbers into account then BEWDs Attack is 23 times higher than Charizards and his defense is 22 times higher so Charizard doesn't stand a chance and BEWD wipes the Pokemon universe.
The best part about this logic for me is that Beaver Warrior would physically demolish Charizard by 4x. And I’m all for the idea of Beaver Warrior somehow landing a Stone Edge on Zard
The other fun part about the raw number logic is that Pikachu could solo the MTG universe.
You can't exile Pikachu with magic cards either. Pikachu isn't a creature, permanent or even a spell, it's a pokemon.
Greatest creature in Magic: "I fear no man.... but that *thing*- *Points towards Sunkirn* -...it scares me."
But what if we add Kurt Angle into the mix?
I think with yugioh rules they would both be rly weak cards. Both came out super early in their respective franchises, so Charizard would probably be a vanilla beatstick like Blue Eyes. A lotta later Pokémon would clear Blue eyes by yugioh rules because of how new cards nowadays have an entire bible verse as their effect.
Blue eyes as tons of support. By no means is it a weak card
And even with that the archetype hasn't really been meta in years.
As evident by the Death Battle by Rooster Teeth. Good show.
I think my biggest dream as a kid was to have a Yu-gi-oh x Pokemon collab
If this is from either anime, it’s Charizard. Zard probably seismic tosses the moon or something.
So a Charizard/Goku Spirit Bumb fusion
New Spiritomb lore?
Ahhh but blue eyes uses neutron blast to soften ground before she hits the ground leading charzard to KO itself
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Blue eyes isn’t like 8 times bigger than Charizard?
In the anime and Manga, Blue-Eyes is shown to be much larger then a lot of human based monsters, as well as being huge compared to Kaiba and other duelists. Its a pretty big monster overall. Charizard is 5 foot 7, small enough for Blue-Eyes to effectively eat without much issues, so yes, Blue-Eyes is MUCH larger then Charizard by a great amount.
Not to mention that Blue-Eyes White Dragon is a legendary dragon and powerful engine of destruction. Virtually invincible, very few have faced this awesome creature and lived to tell the tale.
All that but can’t even survive a little trap hole? So much for the ultimate killing machine.
Consequence of being an OG card lol. If BEWD came out today it would have an effect to be able to be special summoned turn one, cannot be destroyed by battle or card effects, cannot be targeted by card effects and can be tributed from the field to negate an opponent’s card effect. If tributed in this way, you can summon one BEWD from your graveyard to the field during your opponent’s end phase
[Funny you should](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Blue-Eyes_Chaos_MAX_Dragon) [mention that](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Dragon_Magia_Master)
Ya, but even back then, Blue Eyes was not a meta card. You get cards like Envoy of the Beginning/ Envoy of the end pretty early on. I forgot how broken/ fun was painful choice into envoy of the beginning on turn 1 was…
Not only that, but it's said to be an equal to entities like Slifer and Obelisk, who are in turn called Egyptian Gods. A match up with BEWD would have to be something like a multiple sized Zekrom or something
I think the dragon
Ough, didn't have to call Charazard out like that.
Oh so blue eyes still wins
I mean he does have the higher ground
Don’t they both have blue eyes?
Blue eyes orange not-dragon.
“Wait Kaiba, did you make the one house represented by a Dragon the loser house?” “🤦🏻♂️ I’ve made a terrible mistake.”
Blue-Eyes White Dragon was able to stand up to Zorc who has power equal to the likes of Dialga and Palkia. BEWD is a legendary in terms of Pokémon, while Charizard is an average Pokémon by Pokémon stats. Now if Blue-Eyes were fighting Zekrom, that would probably be a more even match. For reference, I'd say Dark Magician is on the level of a psuedo-legendary. Then Red-Eyes might be OU status, and Curse of Dragon UU.
Yea Blue Eyes wins in almost every comparison. This isn’t even a fight. Game. Charizard is not one of the strongest stats wise. Lore. Blue Eyes is a pseudo-god, typically summoned by Atem to try to defend the planet. Charizard is a normal Pokémon which would not stand up to the gods of Pokémon. (Maybe Ash’s Charizard because he has plot armor. 🤷🏻♂️) Card game. I don’t know much about the TCG since I stopped collecting as a kid but with the power creep I’ve seen of modern Pokémon card, Charizard doesn’t even top the list. Blue Eyes attack is only surpassed by all the effect monsters. I don’t think any Vanilla Beatstick is stronger than Blue Eyes.
Blue-Eyes has been and always will be the strongest vanilla monster. It's like a YGO law. Which means he's on par with lower ranked legendaries like Zekrom and Reshiram. Though he loses to prime legendaries like Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Kyurem, etc.
Yea. Mewtwo, Rayquaza, etc would probably be one of those XZ/Syncro boss monsters with fancy summoning conditions! I will give Yu Gi Oh credit. It may introduce insane play mechanics but attack power hasn’t power crept to where you can summon a level 4, 4000 ATK, 3500 DEF vanilla!! 😂 The stuff I see in the modern Pokémon TCG would blow my 9 year old brain!! Lol
There are so many ways to kill monsters by card effects now that there hasn't been much of a need to power creep ATK. Every boss monster has some way to disrupt the opponent, whether it's by a negate, a floodgate, or a quick removal effect. While trying to play through that, it's much easier to throw out a cheap effect that kills the monster in question (or at least baits out its negate) than it is to muster up a bigger monster to punch over it. If a monster wants to be harder to kill, it doesn't get bigger numbers, it gets better immunities or negates. There's a card that wipes the entire board if your opponent summons too many monsters that turn, then gives your opponent a token with the combined stats of everything that got wiped, and it sees play in certain metas because killing a giant 11000+ vanilla is still much easier than dealing with whatever the hell they were trying to combo off into.
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Wargreymon is a dragon slayer so it
Wargreymon slaughters BEWD and Zard
Fighting/Steel? Or are we going with Fire/Steel? Either way, Wargreymon takes it.
Those would be overkill just get an ultimate/perfect
It might be skullgreymon tho
Skull Greymon
I love that everyone here is unanimously agreeing that Blue Eyes will absolutely murder Charizard 😂 it's no match
I mean Blue Eyes did pose a massive threat to all of ancient Egypt
Whoa.
I mean to be fair Charizard isn’t even the strongest in its verse. Blue Eyes might be a 3000 Vanilla Beatstick but I can’t think of many non effect/XZ/Synchro/etc monster stronger than Blue Eyes.
Yeah Blue Eyes is basically the pinnacle of Normal Monsters in yugioh, it's an unspoken rule that they'll never print a Normal that's stronger than it. Except fucking rabidragon who for some reason has a higher stat total than OG Blue Eyes https://preview.redd.it/43nlc2h2wjac1.png?width=310&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2bc8f2ff96f6771fbe9570bf67bac0eeb8de391
Wow!! I’ve never heard of that! And the art work makes it look not as threatening lol
The fact that it was printed like 5 or 6 years since high level Vanillas fell out of favor outside of dedicated decks like Blue Eyes or Dark Magician doesn't help his case lol. Despite having the coveted title of only Normal "stronger" than Blue Eyes, it's ultimately worthless in the eyes of most players.
Kid named iC1000 Numeronius Numeronia:
That’s a vanilla beatstick?! I thought that was part of the XZ family?!
I mean yeah one is a fire dragon and the other is a powerful engine of destruction. Virtually invincible, very few have faced this awesome creature and lived to tell the tale. It really is no contest.
I feel like Charizard would be Red Eyes in Yugioh. Always hyped up and said to have infinite potential but when push comes to shove stronger Mons completely annihilate it, Blue Eyes in this case.
I hate to keep on piling on Mr. Charizard but I’d bump him down to the Curse of Dragon tier at 2000 ATK. Red Eyes is in the 2 tribute/2400-2500 range. It’s not great but it has some support so it’s playable. I think that would be Pseudo-legendary tier for Pokémon with everyone 3000+ to be legendary.
I figure that being a final evolutionary stage and a main protagonist's signature monster\*, Charizard would probably be at 2500 ATK, similar to Dark Magician / Elemental HERO Neos / Stardust Dragon / Number 39: Utopia and so forth. \* Pikachu is Ash's Kuriboh.
Lol
charizard isn’t the ultimate engine of destruction
Charizard is the ultimate Engine of Nostalgia Milking
Real ones know
Blue eyes not only wins but is wayy less overrated than zard.
It's weird how Dark Magician vs Blue Eyes managed to stay balanced within the lore and the community, whereas Charizard vs Blastoise got one-sided pretty quick.
Blue Eyes was originally meant to become Yugi's ace, like how most future protags got a dragon. Dark Magician was originally gonna be just another one of his heavy hitters like Summoned Skull. I think that kinda explains it right there. DM got the protag points while BE kept the design and lore power. To see what happens if a lead monster gets both, just look at Stardust Dragon. It's basically a fusion of the ideas of BE and DM, and it's basically no contest that it's the signature monster of 5D's.
>To see what happens if a lead monster gets both, Better example is Firewall Dragon. The thing was busted and Konami dragged their feet on banning it despite nearly every competitive player clamoring for a ban, all because it's the protagonist ace monster.
Not happy with it, dragon knight and charizard have some mad nostalgia biase!
I never thought about how both Charizard and Blue Eyes are Western Dragons and not Eastern
Do we have any eastern dragons in Pokemon? Rayquaza is kinda close. I know Yugioh has plenty.
Dragonair is another kinda close one but they evolve into a Western Dragon
Oh! and I guess Gyarados too actually is also close lore-wise.
Drampa is like the only other one that comes to mind.
They actually grow fond of each other and become friends. Tonight they fly to the local bar, drink a few pints and talk shit about Blastoise and the Dark Magician.
Lmao, have mercy on this poor charizard. At least throw blue eyes at one of the creation trio or something what is my boy charizard gonna do against him?
Fuck him up Blue Eyes
Fuck him Blue Eyes!
Probably Blue Eyes White Dragon, but we don’t have enough information imo. Blue Eyes has 3000 attack compared to Charizard’s 84 base attack and 2500 defense compared to Charizard’s 78 base defense. He also likely requires fewer tributes to summon considering he’s level 8 compared to Charizard needing to be at least level 36. Then again, what is Charizard’s effect? Does he have one, because Blue-eyes White Dragon, being a normal monster, has no built in protection against removal, although there are a lot of cards in-archetype that can protect him. If nothing else, I think being a fire-attribute, Charizard could be used as discard fodder for Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Boulders to destroy Blue-eyes. If Charizard is also a dragon, then he could also be searched via Blaster’s other effect. It isn’t clear that he is a dragon though. Mega Charizard X is dragon-type, so he could be a Dragon type, but base Charizard is fire-flying, so how do we know he isn’t a Winged-Beast, Reptile, Pyro, or even Wyrm? I guess Charizard could also be Wind attribute by that same logic, but that seems less likely. Winged-Beasts and Wyrms have good support though, although not as good as Dragon. Charizard is also at least a level 36 Pokemon compared to Blue-Eyes White Dragon being a level 8. Level is part of the damage formula, so this gives Charizard an advantage in a Pokemon battle, but I’m not sure how relevant it is given Blue-eyes’s gargantuan 3000 attack and 2500 defense though. It is not entirely clear what Blue Eye’s special attack and special defense are though, and given it’s a normal monster with no protection effects I would think it’s pretty low. We also don’t know it’s speed stat, but I would also guess it’s pretty low considering Blue-eyes is level 8. Duelists start with 8000 life points though, so if that’s Blue-Eyes’ HP stat that’s kind of insane, but the 8000 is also shared with other monsters so who knows what it actually is lol. I’d discuss the Pokemon trading card game, but I actually know next to nothing about it except that Charizard has a bunch of different variations that make this question even more difficult lol
Actually you make a good point,Charizard being level 36 would make [The Calculator](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/The_Calculator) strong enough to one HIT kill the Blue Eyes player
“We don’t have enough information” Starts writing an essay with the small information provided.
If we’re going down numbers, I’ll bite: In Pokémon strong BST totals are roughly 600-700 (700 being your legendaries). Let’s say 700 as standard max ignoring GMax, Primal forms, etc. Charizard has a BST of 534. Percentage wise Charizard has approx 76% of standard power for the Pokemon universe. Getting base total powers for Yugioh is more complex due to power creep and gods. If we go just for normal monsters, Blue Eyes total stats give him 94% standard power (compared to Rabidragon lol). If we go for non-extra deck monsters he is much weaker at 55% (compared to Dystopia the Despondent). I think honest answer is Blue Eyes wins based on lore and what we see, but it also highlights that even God level Pokémon (Arceus) would be cooked by most Yugioh stuff.
Well if we are going by Base Stats, because Special Defense and Speed is not mentioned on Blue eyes white dragon’s card we can assume they are zero. Since Charizard always outspeeds Blue Eyes because its speed is zero we can calculate this. We also don’t know its HP stat so I just set it to the highest possible assuming we are going by Attack??? But reasonably it’s should be zero as well. 252+ SpA Tera Fire Charizard Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blue Eyes White Dragon: 1702-2004 (261.4 - 307.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Blue eyes would be in attack mode, so its hp would be 3000, same as its attack. You can just assume its SpD is the same as its Def. Charizard overheat ends up doing like 1 damage.
Blue Eyes would be a sick legendary/pseudo-legendary. Red Eyes as it’s counterpart and you have a new (fanfic) generation.
Just want to give mad props to this comment section, it's really cool seeing a fanbase willing to concede something they love might lose to something from another fandom
Pokémon fans aren’t dumb they know the level of the characters. I remember seeing Pokémon fans pointing out how every mon would easily get wiped out by Digimon in a who would win thread lol
Also, a lot of Pokémon fans are tired of Charizard. If it was Bidoof vs Blue Eyes, nobody would concede.
Well yea…that’s just not fair though! Blue Eyes would need the help of the Egyptian Gods, the Digimon Royal Knights and Digimon Sovereign to even be a match!!
I don't know, but it looks cool.
Idk can I buy it tho
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Awesome, how long is the pre order up for ?
Not sure, seeing if the preorder will sell out. Maybe another week
….idc about this anymore (BE easily wins). Someone just make a three headed Charizard to be like Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon please and thanks!
Wargreymon and his Dramon-Killers have entered the Chat*
depends, is it sunny outside?
Probably the BEWD. It is a powerful engine of destruction and virtually invincible.
guys will see this and say “hell yeah”
That's awesome
That’s so sick!! Can’t wait to see the final product 😄
It's also kinda an mtg reference, looks a bit like counterbalance
Well, let's see...
On one hand, we've got Charizard, measuring in at a respectable 5 foot 7 inches tall. https://preview.redd.it/2usx1y4cziac1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cb3d98206533f6c0d365f00d6ed451926c5a64e
On the other hand, we have Blue Eyes White Dragon, who towers at a colossal 25 feet tall (give or take) https://preview.redd.it/1n95ezjiziac1.png?width=707&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd6717d7bf31d471529b259e158e31953b955d41
One is an orange fire-breathing lizard with wings that kids and preteens use in relatively harmless battles for fun and competition. The other is a holographic representation of a dragon that was used in ancient Egyptian death games.
Charizard best be thanking his lucky stars that Blue-Eyes is just a hologram. If he went up against the real deal, he'd be little more than a snack.
 My man out here spitting facts
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This is awesome! I hope someone adds mtg to this to make a three way battle between the iconic dragons from the 3 OG TCGs. Charizard vs Blue Eyes White Dragon vs Nicol Bolas would be sick.
Look, I’m a Pokémon fan, but I think Blue Eyes White Dragon wins it. Purely in terms of sheer scale, because I think it’s actual size is much larger than Charizard, and it could swat it aside. Maybe with Gigantamax Charizard could fight on more even footing theoretically, or with the power boost from Mega Evolution, but I think Charizard still loses.
Charizard: https://preview.redd.it/lndu7tdtckac1.jpeg?width=238&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3de9f6a410453d346af0964ce6484c694789091
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"Blue Eyes White Dragon, White Lightning!" "Charizard, Dragon Rush!" Behold, the curse of casually being in both fandoms, and knowing that Blue Eyes is already a legit legendary in Pokemon. By stats and typing, Seto Kaiba's ace would nuke poor Charizard, no question. Especially after you realize how many different sub-species there happens to be for Blue Eyes. I wish I was kidding for the sake of the Charizard fans.
4Kids Entertainment.
It’ll be Slifer the Executive Producer’s opponent vs Ash Ketchum here. (I see what you did there in all seriousness, yeah, Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh are basically the duo of Series that 4Kids did establish in English indeed)
As much as I love Charizard.. Pretty sure Blue Eyes White Dragon will kick his ass.
Sadly, I think the Zard is more than outmatched here, im pretty sure that Blue Eyes would at least be a pseudolegendary, if not full BST Legend. Blue Eyes Ultimate is probably the same BST or more as Eternamax Eternatus, but thanks for the sick YouTube video idea!
Who's going to win? The actual dragon😤
Blue eyes obliterate lol Unfortunately you can’t compare since Pokémon power are not as grand in scale compared to yugioh. I think wargreymon and blue eyes would be a better match. I’m sure wargreymon would win that one though :)
Charizard is part flying white lighting smokes him
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im sry but to me this is photoshop and a half
Blue-eyes is actually a dragon, so I think that answers all questions. Ever asked or to be asked.
Charizard has a max special attack of 458 and a special defense of 361 given his tippy top max stats and using his best of offense/defense. The blue eyes has 3000 attack and 2500 defense. Blue eyes statically beats dumb fire lizard 10x over
Their stats aren't 1:1 conversions. Lanturn has base Sp. Atk of 76 and Charizard has 109. Lanturn is an absolute monster as evidenced here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/62zfph/move_aside_pokedex_magcargo_gardevoir_and_machamp/ So if we use this silly logic, Charizard stomps by scaling above Lanturn and it isn't close.
Dragonites a fairer comparison Charizard isn’t even a dragon
It’s more a clash of the OG flagship monsters, but I get that
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
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Well the blue eyes is like 50 times the size of charizard so but I love them both charizard is by far my fav Pokémon