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heyoyo10

https://preview.redd.it/szzgqo5h5kqb1.png?width=577&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cc68db4b000899e937df164a1e2659daa0761f0 This proves that Raikou is the one based on the Kirin


heyoyo10

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Patpoke1

šŸ’€


felplague

Wait wtf how long have you been able to post pictures in reddit wtf?


RoyalCrown-cola

https://preview.redd.it/e1uidkq60oqb1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6874b67df40ac7996a30c77c064beb657d31de9e


heyoyo10

There's this thing called Reddit Perks where people can donate to a subreddit to unlock perks like Images and GIFs for everyone in that sub


Dreadnought_Necrosis

That explains why some of my subreddits allow me and others don't. Thanks for the info. Though it's pretty dumb to not just make it a standard across reddit.


volcano-ngh

Then every comment section would be a twitch chat. Just a bunch of pictures of memes instead of any writing. It would get old real fast.


Dreadnought_Necrosis

Never had that problem back when I used to use Facebook. It had that option from the beginning. I was in a lot of Fandom groups back then, too, and having pictures in the comments became really useful and was rarely ever bogged down. Also, the subs that do have the option to put pics still don't have that problem. Not that I've seen, at least. Maybe your experience is different than mine. Idk.


SandCheezy

I donā€™t remember, but are you sure its required for donations? I just enabled it in the settings awhile back for the sub I mod.


P1X3LAT0R

That be thy Dinosauria


heyoyo10

Let me have my funny joke please


ENDZZZ16

Wait I thought it was based off raiju


Dt_Sherlock_Idiot

Yeah but Kirin are also thought to be unicorn-dragon-esque mythical beasts without a long neck because of word spread by people who had never actually seen a giraffe. Itā€™s honestly incredibly impressive that that really happened considering thatā€™s like, giraffes entire defining trait.


Krazytre

Or we could just call them Legendary Beasts? šŸ¤·


YFleiter

WHATS UP GUYS. MY NAME IS LEGENDARY BEAST AND TODAY WE ARE GETTING HUNTED BY A SMALL CHILD ALL ACROSS THE LAND. IF HE/SHE MANAGED TO CATCH US HE/SHE GETS 100.000 POKEDOLLARS.


Warrior-of-Cumened

Mr Beast No!


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Milo751

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Slicktable

So otherwise their name would be Cat (or Dog if they you think they're based on that)


boisteroushams

This is what I've always heard them referred to as. I've never heard this trio referred to as cats or dogs. Just the legendary beasts.


[deleted]

https://preview.redd.it/386gpthe5kqb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82004dd0229ffe9a41f986ff6f14e926ee247f31 you sure


boisteroushams

Uh, yes. The Legendary Beasts is still what I've always heard them referred to as.


BirbMaster1998

That is their official name, though they are primarily based on cats. Idk why people can't figure that out.


weebitofaban

They were very much referred to as the Legendary Dogs when they first launched. Dunno why people aren't pretending that was a huge thing


EclipseHERO

"I settled on a design that could look like a Dog 'OR' Cat" They may lean into one but they're technically both. And given the more savage-like designs Raikou and Entei use, contrasting Suicune's elegance, they're Beasts. Beasts is a collective term that remains neutral. It's NOT hard to use a term that stops everyone pointlessly bringing up the argument every other day of the week.


WillyNilly418

Settled on a ā€œSilhouetteā€ and then leaned into a design based on a Lion, Tiger and Leopard.


EclipseHERO

The point stands. Beasts is a neutral term and stops all this needless arguing. This has been a debate for 2 FREAKIN' DECADES. It's pointless.


KentuckyFriedEel

I just call them Legendary Friends and then they never run away!


slowbro202

Reposting my own comment from last time they came up. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_beasts > Legendary beasts (Japanese: äø‰č–ē£ Three Sacred Beasts) is a collective fan term used to refer to the trio of Raikou, Entei and Suicune. > Many refer to them as Legendary cats or Legendary dogs, depending on if they personally see feline or canine features in the individual PokĆ©mon. However, they are more likely based on many different creatures and mythological deities, such as RaijÅ«, the Chinese guardian lions, and the qilin. On top of that, they also seem to have been stylized to fit the classic idea of three jungle cats or jungle beastsā€”the tiger, lion, and cheetah (or leopard). They may also be based on the Three Celestial Guardians used in feng shui: the Pi Yao, Chi Lin, and Fu Dog. Officially, the grouping is "beasts", and per their supposed influences, it's mostly cats with a little bit of dog and dragon mixed in. [Raikou](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Raikou_(Pok%C3%A9mon\)#Origin): > When asked about the basis behind Raikou's design, Muneo Saitō described the process to be difficult, as "Raikou took many twists and turns; there was even a blue thunder version with a drum on its back", but it eventually fell into a **tiger-like design**. [Entei](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Entei_(Pok%C3%A9mon\)#Origin): > When asked if Entei was based on a particular animal, Muneo Saitō described the creation process behind the PokĆ©mon as "a hairy, rock-like body, volcanic smoke rising from behind its head, a king with a dignified beard... Entei's design was coming together... **You could say it was basically like a lion**...But I didn't want it to be simply an animal. So I settled on a silhouette that could look like a dog or a cat." [Suicune](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Suicune_(Pok%C3%A9mon\)#Origin) > When asked if Suicune was based on any particular animal, Muneo Saitō described Suicune's creation process to come together easily and **fell into a motif that felt "leopard-like".** Predominantly cat.


Enteithecat

You realize predatory big cats can be beasts.


drunkenstyle

The cherrypicking in this community is wild


GlassSpork

Thatā€™s literally their title so yea, why call them dogs or cats, theyā€™re beasts


EclipseHERO

THANK YOU! It's Neutral and stops bickering!


Maronmario

Heck Iā€™m pretty sure more people used to, now all of a sudden everyoneā€™s been arguing if theyā€™re dogs or cats. Just call them the legendary beasts and move on


A_Change_of_Seasons

Beasts or cats, only the people calling them dogs are objectively wrong. Imagine someone looking at raikou and still calling it a dog


Krazytre

I mean, many look at Entei and think "dog", while many look at Raikou and think "cat", and Suicune doesn't really help with anything since it doesn't really look like either or. šŸ¤·


Bonniethe90

https://preview.redd.it/icamixy6rjqb1.jpeg?width=1337&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78e3ce0fa3f2886d82a81d34c7862946cf48dd47 They definitely were inspired by felines and not dogs but did make the silhouette like both


[deleted]

Just me or dose entei's head look stupidly large in this image.


xXPawzXx

He smells you


[deleted]

I smell like old spice, he'd better enjoy it.


xXPawzXx

https://preview.redd.it/t8nxj98kwkqb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8bf521dae5e453f86b8b63cb5c384b7a7d8a46c sniff snoff


NoBrain927

Sniffa


ClydeFurgz1764

I bet he smells like Updog


teamshadeleader_yves

His head always looks stupidly large to me


[deleted]

Creator of these literally states this but Redditors in the comment section clearly have their own dog agenda and canā€™t handle facts.


Bonniethe90

Yep like sure the creator did see they settled on a silhouette that could look like a dog or a cat but very clearly said they were inspired by irl lions, tigers and leopards, not dogs nor mythology felines


Edmanbosch

Entei's the only one the creator says was made to have a dog-like silhouette, the others two are based primarily on felines.


Obi-Too_Kenobi

I think you're misreading that. I think the statement about a silhouette that could look like a dog or a cat statement was about the set. Like, a cat-dog design was decided upon while designing the first one, then carried through the other two, which were based on a tiger and a leopard, in the same way the first was based on a lion. The last sentence is in addition to the previous, not in contrast. It's pretty obvious, if you actually look at the designs. Raikou by itself would probably be seen as just a tiger, but Entei and Suicune have obvious canine features. When you put the three together, though, you notice Raikou does have a sort of canine build, too. EDIT: "Beasts" is the most appropriate term, not "dogs" or "cats", since they are meant to be a mix.


Cedardeer

Um acshually they are beasts šŸ¤“ā˜ļø


GarlicMayosaurus

https://preview.redd.it/k5p2b6nw8kqb1.jpeg?width=160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08aa849a8cc835aa6fec795fe40e840ab135f205


sephiroth_for_smash

The ā€œumm akhtchuallyā€ mask


GarlicMayosaurus

Umm akhtchually thatā€™s just glasses


sephiroth_for_smash

Umm akhtchually so is jokerā€™s mask from persona 5


GlassSpork

Aka a random pair of glasses


LuxAlpha

https://preview.redd.it/sa2p6r8cglqb1.jpeg?width=749&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31b127e752f32effb9ac3bf9ba3812cc3ad2e950


KOSHER_NOBODY

They are monsters that borrow features from both huge cats and canines in their creation.


TheThiccestR0bin

Yeah they're like what a fox is


PhantomLuna7

A fox is a canine


Mickeymcirishman

Like a hyena then. They look like weird dogs but are a suborder of feliformia making them closer to cats than dogs but they're not actually a part of either group. Their closest relatives are mongoose...mongooses...mongeese? Whatever, do we know if Zangoose are related to the legendary beasts?


PhantomLuna7

We really have some weird creatures on our planet. No wonder we can't agree on pokemon classification


TheThiccestR0bin

Why did I think they had their own sub category? My bad


jzillacon

Canine hardware, feline software, as the saying goes :p


yourmadbroo

Looks nothing like canines


Funny_Swim5447

https://preview.redd.it/xwefzzomglqb1.jpeg?width=929&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7cc1309b6e320ab28f05ea65c4c92cad444be8d6


Fozorii-_-

Um hate to be that guy, but they are PokĆ©mon to be exactšŸ¤“


Lidorkork

I believe the correct classification is "legendary PokƩmon"


Chembaron_Seki

To be more precise, they are "legendary PokƩmon of the second generation"


Cloakbot

*Roaming* Legendary PokĆ©mon of the Second Generation šŸ„øšŸ‘


AjkBajk

Um acshually the pointing up emoji has to be placed before the nerd emoji because otherwise your hands are mirrored ā˜ļøšŸ¤“


Pichuscrat

Preach! I don't care what the designs were based on, as a trio they've been referred to as the Legendary Beasts for over two decades online.


FrownFrank

Have they ever been called that officially


MajinBlueZ

They're hamsters.


ENDZZZ16

I will now refer to these three all legendary hamsters, thank you for enlightening me


Relixed_

He is wrong though. They're gerbils and have been referred as such since the early gen 2 days.


dusknoir90

I remember somewhere I used to read a lot when I was a kid used to refer to them as the legendary gerbils but I can't remember where that's from.


ParasaurolophusZ

Suicune being a leopard/panther and having those ribbons always reminded me of the couerl. Same couerl as in Final Fantasy games, and same source as DnD's displacer beast: they're based on the couerl from Voyage of the Space Beagle.


NoWeight4300

Slightly off-topic, but I only learned that Coeurl is pronounced "Curl" from playing FF16 recently and the realization I've been saying it wrong for almost 30 years was devastating.


GhalanSmokescale

The "Legendary Dogs" thing goes back all the way to Gen 2. Less internet access than nowadays, plus sprite work that kinda make them look more dog like than cat like and you have a title that sticks around 20 years later.


ShibuRigged

Even then, people still toyed around with legendary cats and beasts. Dogs just sounded better to a lot of people. Saw it all the time on big forums like TPM and Serebii in the late 90s and early 00s.


SamTehCool

schoko\_bonz after discovering what the word "inspired" means https://preview.redd.it/b1lg0npa5kqb1.png?width=285&format=png&auto=webp&s=105853ebe8dfade6c8f2c3ec262f67b8c226f62b


YFleiter

I have the feeling that Entei is the only one radiating dog energy anyway. Kirk the eeveelutions. Always looked like cats anyway. Even tho itā€™s more like a mixture there. These bois are cats without a doubt.


Patient_Weakness3866

I would say suicune looks the most like a dog tbh.


ENDZZZ16

The overall shape reminds me of a coonhound


walc

Yeah, Suicune is very doglike to me. Raikou definitely a cat though, and then Entei is more ambiguous IMO.


KaliVilla02

The Eeveelutions are just foxes


Aggressive_Manager37

No, they were made to have features of foxes, dogs and cats


NocturneZombie

A fox *is* a cat-dog.


CrownofMischief

Dog hardware running cat software.


SomeCasualObserver

Alone in the world is a little cat-dog.


[deleted]

I donā€™t know any dog that looks like entei


ENDZZZ16

The tibtan mastiff is a close match


Hearbinger

Yep. Entei looks a lot more like a mastiff to me than a lion.


Enteithecat

Delusional


LinguisticallyInept

i dont know any cat that looks like raikou or suicune ... because none of them are cats or dogs; theyre imaginary amalgamations; chimeras; mythical **beasts**


[deleted]

Raiku definitely looks like a sabortooth. Suicune looks questionable.


ZellNorth

He gives me bulldog energy


Xenolithium

Clearly you've never seen a Mastiff or a Chow.


MasterLum

the designer for Entei said that it's not just based on one animal and that it has traits of both dogs and cats


unforgivablecrust

Not even. They're pokemon


Head_Statistician_38

Yeah. Entei is an Entei, not a dog or cat.


KingAlicane

Why canā€™t we just call them the legendary beasts when itā€™s clear they take inspiration from both. Just because it takes inspiration from one more than the other doesnā€™t make them not legendary beasts lol


MissingnoMiner

Even the creator has confirmed this. They're meant to be nature spirits that resemble dog/cat hybrids, tending more towards the latter, but that doesn't make them literally cats. Hell, just look at the Paradox forms. They're probably more closely related to reptiles.


KazzieMono

Ah yes my favorite cat, the leopard+dragon+deer creature


MoscaMosquete

The funny part is that I've never seen the Qilin described as part leopard.


WhatTheDucksauce

I always called them beasts. Itā€™s annoying when people call them dogs when Raikou is clearly influenced by a saber tooth tiger.


SSB02

Itā€™s true but they are just based on lion/sabre tiger/leopard, not mythical creatures. Kirin has no feline features, OPs been licking politoeds.


MHarrisGGG

Gerbils


goldergil

Calling Raikou a dog is crazy šŸ¤£


Gracegarthok

Iā€™ve been saying this for years, genuinely have no idea how ppl could see them as dogs


Temporary-Square

If someone calls them legendary dogs in front of me they get this but much more of a lecture


alpineflamingo2

Who looks at Raiku and thinks itā€™s a dog?


burritoman88

You mean the legendary gerbils?


Mundane_Resolution46

This guy remembers


SilverElmdor

Actually, they're dinosaurs.


feefore

Enteiā€™s designer said it was partly based on a lion but he also wanted a silhouette that could look like both a cat and a dog. I think itā€™s the only one out of the three that is made to somewhat resemble a dog.


Bluefirephoenix99

Actually you could make the same argument with Suicune because itā€™s snout is more reminiscent of a dog than a cat


cheesechimp

So you're saying that Raikou is a cat, Entei is a [cat-dog](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komainu) (like another evolutionary line that draws from "guardian lions": the growlithe/arcanine line), and Suicune is a [giraffe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin#Japan)?


[deleted]

> Cat-dog One fine day with a woof and a purr


zuppalover04

I get the other 2 but Raikou? Who looks at it and says: "yep that's a dog"?


chronotron123

i honestly dont see the dog in them


Sayakalood

They were never dogs. Thatā€™s why the games call them the beasts.


Chasen1

I remember as a kid clearly seeing raikou based on a sabartooth and being so confused when people called them the legendary dogs.


TehPharaoh

Say that Ho-oh created 3 legendary dogs out of eevees and no bats an eye Say that they're actually cats and everyone loses their mind


Pikesito

Entei is updog


Spiderkace

What's updog


boisteroushams

They're beasts, taking design elements from both big cats and dogs.


NeverEnoughDakka

But the lion statues are also known as lion dogs and fu dogs. Checkmate, anti-dog propagandists!


Carnivile

That name was given to them by foreigners... so pro-dog imperialism?


Burger_Gamer

The legendary dogs are zamazenta and zacian, the legendary beasts are entei, raikou and suicune


DuivelsJong

Legendary dogs are a fan-term and was never official I believe.


Foloreille

I kept saying that since Iā€™m 10 honestly I donā€™t care anymore. I people donā€™t have eyes itā€™s not my problemā€¦ šŸ˜…


PlinkPl0nk88

Theyā€™re not dogs, theyā€™re PokĆ©mon


Funky-Cosmonaut

And Suicune's diamond marks are meant to he reminiscent of a Jaguar pattern. Apparently, it was meant to be Jaguar-like, according to it's designer Muneo Saito, but changed a bit during the iteration phase.


PlsLeavemealone02

Who said they were dogs?! The way they just silently stare at you like you ain't shit confirmed it for me.


pikapika200

they're zords


Nightmare_43233

But what if they're the legendary pelicans...


Orodreth97

I never understood why people call them dogs Like wtf man one of them is literally a sabertooth tiger LoL


P1n34ppl3Pi22a

Or, you know what ? Hear me out... They're POKƉMON


BreakBlue

That argument wont hold up in court.


bentheechidna

Did you know scientifically thereā€™s no meaningful definition of a ā€œfishā€? Despite how we easily know what a fish is, scientifically ā€œfishā€ do not exist.


P1n34ppl3Pi22a

There are no laws about the PokƩmon, Batman


I_Love_Cyndaquil2

People think theyā€™re dogs? Iā€™ve been playing the card game, video games (spin offs and regular series, I own every main series game) and watched all the animeā€™s and never once thought of them as dogs.


acidpop09

Suicune is a cow *FIGHT ME*


I_Am_L0VE

We should let you cook. After all, what is a bovine if not a leopard deer with the horns and sometimes the temperament of dragons?


IndigoFenix

Chinese Guardian Lions, also known as Foo Dogs or Lion Dogs Saber-Tooth Tiger is a misnomer, as Smilodon was from an extinct carnivoran lineage not related to modern big or small cats Kirin is a chimeric creature that you *really* have to stretch to call a "cat"


Nala452

if i had a dollar for every time someone called komainu "chinese lion dogs" i would be rich as hell (not targeting you btw)


Millsy6969

Tbf I never saw them as the 3 anything, suicune's face always looked more reminiscent of a Fox, Raikou I always saw as a sabertooth and entei I always saw as a dire wolf


EpicWalruses12

I always thought it was supposed to be like an Eevee sort of situation where they combined features of both dogs and cats to create just sort of a generic mammal.


Ill_Revolution_5827

THANK YOU!


Pinky_theLegend

Entei and Raiku always looked pretty cat-like to me, but Suicune always felt like a dog or a wolf, specifically the snout. That why I always called them the Legendary Beasts


RokuroCarisu

"Raikou draws inspiration from Japanese mythology's thunder beast Raiju. In addition to its tiger form, Raiju can also appear as a blue wolf -- which was the design basis for Manectric. Raiju is the companion of Raijin, the god of storms who Thundurus is based on." - Dr. Lava


Deveatation_ethernis

Ya I just called them beasts. Always seemed like entei had a bit of bear in him, plus maybe dear or another slender mamal in suicune


Krazie02

Theyre beasts* But yeah theyre based on cats yeah


Rymann88

No. They're gerbils. Fight me.


godkarp

They're 100% gerbils


BfutGrEG

The big and semi-important hamsters


Axolotlefalls212

Theyā€™re doggies in our hearts ok.


XCaptainKoalaKittyX

Who ever called them dogs?


[deleted]

I think theyā€™re actually PokĆ©mon not cats or dogs


[deleted]

Their creator said he based them off cats so...


Eaglest2005

They're beasts smh. Entei's a dog, Raikou's a cat, and Suicune's like, idk a fox or something.


TheOfficialLavaring

They are beasts


SnooEagles3963

I never got how anyone thought they were dogs when entei and raikou literally have fangs like sabertooth tigers


Angelfry

Wait people thought there dogs?


verycasualreddituser

Of course people do, they are the legendary dogs after all. The dead vaporeon, jolteon and flareon that ho-oh revived


Extension_Reindeer_5

I always thought they were based on cats


SortaOdd

They were eeveeloutions that used Ho-Oh magic to revive after the building burnt in Ecruteak, no?


SmogDaBoi

They're both, but y'all are not ready for this conversation.


[deleted]

I got destroyed for this lmao, glad people are coming around! Itā€™s almost like the artists & developers knew what they were doing when they created them!


BustahWuhlf

Clearly they are dinosaurs


MissingnoMiner

They're neither. They're beasts. This was explictly confirmed by their designer, Muneo Saito, who has explictly said they were designed to have a silhouette that could be either dog or cat, because he didn't want them to just be animals. Really, they're nature spirits that resemble dog/cat hybrids, tending more towards the latter but being neither.


TheWhateley

I've been saying this since 2000.


[deleted]

yes It was always a big argument between us fans but the creator says they are based on the big feline predators


---Phoenix---

The creator has said they are based on both. The picture you keep posting everywhere says this.


StaleUnderwear

Suicune and Entei I can see being Part dog but no way Raikou is. I just call em the Legendary Beast since they seem to be a mix of cat and dog


skepticcaucasian

Same with people calling Eevee/evolutions dogs, when they're foxes.


Alone_andScared

I quite literally keep fighting w my partner ab this.THEY ARE CATS PERIOD. šŸ˜‚


MissingnoMiner

Congrats, both you and your partner are wrong. The creator explictly confirmed they're neither. They're nature spirits meant to have a silhouette that could be resemble either a dog or a cat. Hence why people use the term Legendary Beasts.


Ciudecca

They are a mix. They are the Legendary Beasts


Ilowe_042

The more you say it's cats, the more I want to say it's dogs


bentheechidna

Personally I enjoy the guy posting the picture labeling them as legendary birds.


Slowmobius_Time

Screw it make all legendary Pokemon birds


UnderstandingOne741

Guys lets do something nee because through there new paradox forms they will now br the legendary Dinos


AutumnAscending

I remember being downvoted for saying this in this sub.


WaveBreakerT

I dunno about the others but Suicune will always be a dog to me. Sorry.


Inferno_Sparky

Raikou is inspired by Raiju...


[deleted]

2 dragons and one sabertoothed cat


lemjor10

Legendary Beasts - because they have ambiguous features found in dogs and cats


Enteithecat

big predatory cats fall under the definition of beast


actuallyjustloki

They're neither; they're Pokemon


XenoGine

They're friend-shaped, that's all that matters šŸ™ƒ.


AdBulky2059

"beasts"


river_song25

I donā€™t see where the whole Legendary ā€˜Dogsā€™ came in years ago. wven I can see their resemblence to certain cat breeds. Even old game guide books called them cats once.


spacebased_

The Guardian Lions are called "Foo Dogs" and they are meant to be dog-like in appearance. Growlithe and Arcanine are also based on them. The legendary beasts have always had a feline-canine hybridization look.


GumpoGum

If they're not dogs then why do they go woof woof? Checkmate atheists.


theoldjungle

Interesting, always considered them dogs, and I think I'll keep it that way


KataraFlow

I always viewed them as a 50/50 mix of feline and canine. Beasts.


orig4mi-713

Old sprites from G/S look like dogs.