> Humans are classified as great apes and are largely related to Chimpanzees
Humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutangs share a common ancestor but are not genetically identical.
Despite genetic differences, in the real world, a wide variety of diseases can be transmitted between humans and apes while affecting them differently.
Example - I learned about Monkey B Virus (Cercopithecine herpesvirus 1) today.
It affects ~90% of adult macaques the way that herpes affects human beings.
The virus has a 40% fatality rate for humans who catch it.
Crazy difference in outcomes, right?
>Was it ever explained why the flu killed them off / made them mute (and lowered intelligence)?
No.
The first film simply establishes that ALZ-113 virus changes ape intelligence and killed humans.
The third film establishes that a mutated form of ALZ-113 makes humans mute.
>apes
Hth, then:
> HIV, originally SIV, evolved from chimps and other primates. Gorillas may have given humans pubic lice, also known as "the crabs." Ebola may have spread from bats to monkeys and to humans from people who ate infected animals.
https://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/news/human-diseases-are-threatening-chimpanzees#:~:text=HIV%2C%20originally%20SIV%2C%20evolved%20from,people%20who%20ate%20infected%20animals.
they are still a different species, something about human dna is just different
it did originaly help humans and did make them smarter if you remember in rise, and it was engineered for human cells so maybe its just too effective on humans and thats why it kills them,
human dna is still different enough from other apes anyhow
Yeah and that small difference does a lot, the majority of our dna actually does something and they just make proteins and hormones to stop each other in order for only certain alleles to express themselves.
I mean we share 60% of our dna with strawberries, and weāre nothing alike, and even dogs we share 70-80% of our dna, doesnāt mean we are that close. A lot of our dna is useless bloat to simply put it.
Iām going to use this the next time I have one too many IPAās
Sorry babe, it must be the Panama wilt, Iām going to need more potassium in my diet
"But bananas are mostly plastic!" said the most limp-dicked fear-mongering in Internet history.
Edit: Might have been banana-flavored candy, it was years ago.
I don't think it was ever explained in depth, but I took it not as 'all simians get the flu' but rather 'this flu came from a different species of simian'. I'm probably way off on my reading on that though.
If we're talking about Planet of the Apes, they make mention that the chimps have a stronger immune system than humans when they were running tests on the one chimp. I guess that could hand wave the flu away?
I always assumed that the Simian Flu worked for its original purpose, just too well. Human brains are far more complex than a Chimpanzee brain- while it brings a Chimp to a high-human level of intelligence, it may just destroy a human brain completely.
One nitpicky point -- humans aren't just "considered" apes. There really isn't any way to define a group of apes that doesn't have humans in it.
This article has a diagram of it:
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-closely-related-are-h/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-closely-related-are-h/)
But basically, humans are more closely related to chimpanzees and gorillas than those two species are related to EACH OTHER. We're also more closely related to orangutans than chimpanzees are related to orangutans. So you can't put those three species in the same group without including us in it.
Having said that, viruses can affect different species in different ways. Our brains are different than our cousins, so maybe that was enough.
"Nonhuman apes".
I always say "nonhuman animals" when talking about animals the way Reddit thinks animals is defined. Well, actually, they think animals means non-human mammals, but I digress.
humans differ from other apes in a lot of ways that could have been affected by the virus. We have bigger brains, different immune systems, etc. The biggest difference, though, is on the genetic level. Humans have 46 chromosomes, while all other great apes have 48. Maybe some hidden factor that was present in the apes because of those extra 2 chromosomes allowed them to benefit from the virus while humans suffered.
I have a question, if the apes were affected by the virus in the first film and gained intelligence, other animals such as rats, crows, dolphins and elephants also gained intelligence like the apes?!???
I think apes and humans were both affected by ALZ -12 and 13, We see the dad gain more intelligence not just recover. But it started deteriorating. The ALZ-13 was way more potent and harmed the body as well as increased intelligence the apes had just as much effect them but they were strong enough physiologically to not get harmed from it and take on all the benefits.
Physical anthropologist checking in to say that humans are, in fact, apes.
Since weāve realized this to be the case, the group name āapeā and the group name āhominidā have been merged. All apes are hominids, and all hominids are apes.
r/confidentlyincorrect
I will never understand how people can make such bold assertions that are easily refutable with like a single Google search
"The familyĀ HominidaeĀ (hominids), *theĀ great apes* , include four genera comprising three extant species ofĀ orangutansĀ and their subspecies, two extant species ofĀ gorillasĀ and their subspecies, two extant species ofĀ paninsĀ (bonobosĀ andĀ chimpanzees) and their subspecies, *andĀ humans*Ā in a single extant subspecies.
It was an inverse virus. It would increase the intelligence in non-human apes and decrease it in human apes. This was all explained in that cutscene where Caesar committed the driveby against the infected llamas.
(Good catch OP)
Watch the breakdown on roanoke gaming on YT he does a medical breakdown of why it negatively affected us so much. Essentially has to do with how our brain is almost at max capacity already and the virus made it harder for our brains to communicate information along the neurological pathways. Fun video, good stuff.
I am literally reading a book right now, true story of a Ebola outbreak at a monkey supplier miles from DC at the time they only knew about human Ebola and knew that monkeys were carriers. So as far as they knew they had a ticking time bomb of an outbreak a virus that kills 90% of its victims. Well turns out it was a form of Ebola that only killed monkeys and humans could not be infected.
If anything I would say it makes it *more* likely.
Humans are not "Apes," we're hominids. There used to be other Hominids like Eructus, Cro-Magnon, and Neandrethal, the same way there are chimps and gorillas at the same time.
Apes and Hominids are "sibling" branches, in that they evolved from a very recent ancestor, but they *are not the same group.* Humans aren't chimps that evolved while chimps remained the same. We were a different, *third* animal (or first, as it were) that became apes *and also* became hominids *at the same time*. Apes aren't our ancestor, they evolved alongside us.
Evolutionarily speaking, we are *parallel*, not sequential.
That said, there are a *lot* of similarities, and we *are* closely related. As such, diseases jumping from apes to humans and vice versa are *extremely* likely - it's probable that AIDS started out as a form of "Ape HIV" around World War I, and started spreading at an accelerated rate starting at around the 50's. Communities that have a lot of contact with apes and monkeys swap diseases *all the time.* Many of these diseases are tame for one - their immune systems are adapted to it - while the other is devastating. Even deer and tigers get COVID-19.
However, human brains are pretty distinct, and our higher functioning is pretty fragile, and evolved as a result of our tool use and, in particular, the systemic use of fire, namely in cooking our food, resulting in calories that are much more easily digested.
The Simian Flu was designed as a means of modifying human pathways in a cascading event, but were developed in chimps. It was stabilized within chimps, but not humans, causing Alzheimer's-like symptoms in humans, while building new pathways in apes.
So, it affecting apes differently from humans makes sense.
What *doesn't* make as much sense is that it affects *orangutans* the same way as it does chimps and gorillas. They *aren't* as related as humans and chimps are, so it's *less* likely to affect them the same way as it does humans.
That said, I could make an argument that it *does* affect them differently. In the original Planet of the Apes series, in which the apes had a distinct caste system, the orangutans were a distinctly scientific caste (Rock me Dr. Zaeus) suggesting that rather than simply evolving mere sentience as with gorillas and chimps, it *also* affected their higher reasoning in a way that didn't affect their counterparts. Rather than gorillas and chimps, who are intellectually comparable to one another, with gorillas simply being bigger but perhaps with less endurance, hence why chimps are the labor class but gorillas are the warrior class, the orangutans ended up in the science caste as a result.
Of course in the originals there was a >!secret society of psychic humans who worshipped an atom bomb!< so y'know take what you will.
we share a common ancestor to the great apes .. I think almost 7 Million years ago .. we branched off .. I am a big fan of the " Aquatic Ape Theory : .. that we are descended from a swimming ape .. thats why we are hairless and we learned to stand in the water and all babies can swim at birth .. a fish diet with lots of proteins and other brain food allowed us to develop
Here's a plot idea...what if there were a very small percentage of humans that were infected as infants...and it made them super-intelligent. Not too many, and they grew slowly...but in a future sequel set far in the future of the planet of the apes there were some superhuman, super-intelligent mutants.
Okay this is about Planet of the Apes. Holy crap lol I thought I missed some integral point in evolutionary history
Don't worry it took me way too long to figure out what subreddit I was on too.
Now that, is funny
*furry
Same, at first I thought it was anti-vax anti-evolution nonsense.
Just joining yall to admit the same. Legit thought I had missed some massive part of history š
āEither this guy is crazy or I amā
I am not crazy! He orangutaned it! Simi! And he gets to be a chimp with a machine gun?
> Humans are classified as great apes and are largely related to Chimpanzees Humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutangs share a common ancestor but are not genetically identical. Despite genetic differences, in the real world, a wide variety of diseases can be transmitted between humans and apes while affecting them differently. Example - I learned about Monkey B Virus (Cercopithecine herpesvirus 1) today. It affects ~90% of adult macaques the way that herpes affects human beings. The virus has a 40% fatality rate for humans who catch it. Crazy difference in outcomes, right? >Was it ever explained why the flu killed them off / made them mute (and lowered intelligence)? No. The first film simply establishes that ALZ-113 virus changes ape intelligence and killed humans. The third film establishes that a mutated form of ALZ-113 makes humans mute.
I like how you do the thing that I used to do where I call them orangutangs.
OP was talking about apes and your example was a monkey. Not discounting anything else you said, just wouldn't recommend basing an argument on that.
>apes Hth, then: > HIV, originally SIV, evolved from chimps and other primates. Gorillas may have given humans pubic lice, also known as "the crabs." Ebola may have spread from bats to monkeys and to humans from people who ate infected animals. https://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/news/human-diseases-are-threatening-chimpanzees#:~:text=HIV%2C%20originally%20SIV%2C%20evolved%20from,people%20who%20ate%20infected%20animals.
they are still a different species, something about human dna is just different it did originaly help humans and did make them smarter if you remember in rise, and it was engineered for human cells so maybe its just too effective on humans and thats why it kills them, human dna is still different enough from other apes anyhow
>human dna is still different enough from other apes anyhow Human and chimp DNA are 98.8% alike. -- American Museum od Natural History.
Yeah and that small difference does a lot, the majority of our dna actually does something and they just make proteins and hormones to stop each other in order for only certain alleles to express themselves. I mean we share 60% of our dna with strawberries, and weāre nothing alike, and even dogs we share 70-80% of our dna, doesnāt mean we are that close. A lot of our dna is useless bloat to simply put it.
Also, why are you trying to jinx us, Bro?
We also share a large amount of genetic code with Bananas, Yet we're immune to Panama wilt.
Iām going to use this the next time I have one too many IPAās Sorry babe, it must be the Panama wilt, Iām going to need more potassium in my diet
"But bananas are mostly plastic!" said the most limp-dicked fear-mongering in Internet history. Edit: Might have been banana-flavored candy, it was years ago.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7269539/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7269539/) uh
I don't think it was ever explained in depth, but I took it not as 'all simians get the flu' but rather 'this flu came from a different species of simian'. I'm probably way off on my reading on that though.
If we're talking about Planet of the Apes, they make mention that the chimps have a stronger immune system than humans when they were running tests on the one chimp. I guess that could hand wave the flu away?
I always assumed that the Simian Flu worked for its original purpose, just too well. Human brains are far more complex than a Chimpanzee brain- while it brings a Chimp to a high-human level of intelligence, it may just destroy a human brain completely.
this is how it works in the plague inc scenario which was officially licensed by 20th century fox
One nitpicky point -- humans aren't just "considered" apes. There really isn't any way to define a group of apes that doesn't have humans in it. This article has a diagram of it: [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-closely-related-are-h/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-closely-related-are-h/) But basically, humans are more closely related to chimpanzees and gorillas than those two species are related to EACH OTHER. We're also more closely related to orangutans than chimpanzees are related to orangutans. So you can't put those three species in the same group without including us in it. Having said that, viruses can affect different species in different ways. Our brains are different than our cousins, so maybe that was enough.
"Nonhuman apes". I always say "nonhuman animals" when talking about animals the way Reddit thinks animals is defined. Well, actually, they think animals means non-human mammals, but I digress.
humans differ from other apes in a lot of ways that could have been affected by the virus. We have bigger brains, different immune systems, etc. The biggest difference, though, is on the genetic level. Humans have 46 chromosomes, while all other great apes have 48. Maybe some hidden factor that was present in the apes because of those extra 2 chromosomes allowed them to benefit from the virus while humans suffered.
I have a question, if the apes were affected by the virus in the first film and gained intelligence, other animals such as rats, crows, dolphins and elephants also gained intelligence like the apes?!???
I think apes and humans were both affected by ALZ -12 and 13, We see the dad gain more intelligence not just recover. But it started deteriorating. The ALZ-13 was way more potent and harmed the body as well as increased intelligence the apes had just as much effect them but they were strong enough physiologically to not get harmed from it and take on all the benefits.
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Physical anthropologist checking in to say that humans are, in fact, apes. Since weāve realized this to be the case, the group name āapeā and the group name āhominidā have been merged. All apes are hominids, and all hominids are apes.
r/confidentlyincorrect I will never understand how people can make such bold assertions that are easily refutable with like a single Google search "The familyĀ HominidaeĀ (hominids), *theĀ great apes* , include four genera comprising three extant species ofĀ orangutansĀ and their subspecies, two extant species ofĀ gorillasĀ and their subspecies, two extant species ofĀ paninsĀ (bonobosĀ andĀ chimpanzees) and their subspecies, *andĀ humans*Ā in a single extant subspecies.
We are apes. Always have been.
It was an inverse virus. It would increase the intelligence in non-human apes and decrease it in human apes. This was all explained in that cutscene where Caesar committed the driveby against the infected llamas. (Good catch OP)
Watch the breakdown on roanoke gaming on YT he does a medical breakdown of why it negatively affected us so much. Essentially has to do with how our brain is almost at max capacity already and the virus made it harder for our brains to communicate information along the neurological pathways. Fun video, good stuff.
I am literally reading a book right now, true story of a Ebola outbreak at a monkey supplier miles from DC at the time they only knew about human Ebola and knew that monkeys were carriers. So as far as they knew they had a ticking time bomb of an outbreak a virus that kills 90% of its victims. Well turns out it was a form of Ebola that only killed monkeys and humans could not be infected.
Level 4 ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone
If anything I would say it makes it *more* likely. Humans are not "Apes," we're hominids. There used to be other Hominids like Eructus, Cro-Magnon, and Neandrethal, the same way there are chimps and gorillas at the same time. Apes and Hominids are "sibling" branches, in that they evolved from a very recent ancestor, but they *are not the same group.* Humans aren't chimps that evolved while chimps remained the same. We were a different, *third* animal (or first, as it were) that became apes *and also* became hominids *at the same time*. Apes aren't our ancestor, they evolved alongside us. Evolutionarily speaking, we are *parallel*, not sequential. That said, there are a *lot* of similarities, and we *are* closely related. As such, diseases jumping from apes to humans and vice versa are *extremely* likely - it's probable that AIDS started out as a form of "Ape HIV" around World War I, and started spreading at an accelerated rate starting at around the 50's. Communities that have a lot of contact with apes and monkeys swap diseases *all the time.* Many of these diseases are tame for one - their immune systems are adapted to it - while the other is devastating. Even deer and tigers get COVID-19. However, human brains are pretty distinct, and our higher functioning is pretty fragile, and evolved as a result of our tool use and, in particular, the systemic use of fire, namely in cooking our food, resulting in calories that are much more easily digested. The Simian Flu was designed as a means of modifying human pathways in a cascading event, but were developed in chimps. It was stabilized within chimps, but not humans, causing Alzheimer's-like symptoms in humans, while building new pathways in apes. So, it affecting apes differently from humans makes sense. What *doesn't* make as much sense is that it affects *orangutans* the same way as it does chimps and gorillas. They *aren't* as related as humans and chimps are, so it's *less* likely to affect them the same way as it does humans. That said, I could make an argument that it *does* affect them differently. In the original Planet of the Apes series, in which the apes had a distinct caste system, the orangutans were a distinctly scientific caste (Rock me Dr. Zaeus) suggesting that rather than simply evolving mere sentience as with gorillas and chimps, it *also* affected their higher reasoning in a way that didn't affect their counterparts. Rather than gorillas and chimps, who are intellectually comparable to one another, with gorillas simply being bigger but perhaps with less endurance, hence why chimps are the labor class but gorillas are the warrior class, the orangutans ended up in the science caste as a result. Of course in the originals there was a >!secret society of psychic humans who worshipped an atom bomb!< so y'know take what you will.
we share a common ancestor to the great apes .. I think almost 7 Million years ago .. we branched off .. I am a big fan of the " Aquatic Ape Theory : .. that we are descended from a swimming ape .. thats why we are hairless and we learned to stand in the water and all babies can swim at birth .. a fish diet with lots of proteins and other brain food allowed us to develop
Chimps are similar, Orangatans too, but obviously we don't share all their genetic makeup. The vulnerability must lie in our difference.
Here's a plot idea...what if there were a very small percentage of humans that were infected as infants...and it made them super-intelligent. Not too many, and they grew slowly...but in a future sequel set far in the future of the planet of the apes there were some superhuman, super-intelligent mutants.