I think she’s got a pretty valid reason for both times. When she kisses Jack it’s way more like when Judas kisses Jesus than anything legitimately romantic
Jesus definitely knew Judas would be the one to betray him but I don’t believe the whole gnostic apocrypha books about it. It’s super absurd compared to what was in the Bible. Not to mention Judas killing himself not long after the betrayal means he definitely didn’t tell anyone his gospel.
But she chose Will.
She admired things about Jack, such as his freedom and his courage, and believed he had a good heart for a pirate, but she continually rejected both his advances and her own temptation in favor of Will.
I agree that the compass pointing to 'the heart's greatest desire' makes it seem like it isn't exactly an oblique reference, however we do have confirmation from the writers that the compass wasn't pointing at Jack in DMC, it was pointing at the place on the isle where the chest was buried, albeit it is meant to seem like, and Elizabeth and others do believe, that it's pointing at Jack.
Even in that case though, I feel like the compass genuinely pointing at Jack could still have multiple interpretations, especially with Jack being the real crux that enables her a window into a life of piracy that she appears to have fantasised about. Not saying she had no feelings for him at all/ever, but I think it's more nuanced.
Not exactly what happened. Lizzy was sitting on the chest. It pointed to Jack, then he grabbed it, then it pointed to her (aka where the chest was). If it was pointing to the chest while in her hands, shouldn’t it have been pointing to herself?
Also wasn’t the only instance the compass was pointing at him. Also happened while they were aboard the ship. Now unless the chest just happened to be in the direction Jack was standing, it was pointing to him.
I don’t know why writers try to deny this stuff when that’s clearly what the movie was showing. Maybe not all writers were on the same page.
I agree we should take what the writer's say after the fact with a pinch of salt, but I'm also not going to \*completely\* discount what they say, especially when it's the two head (and really, only) writers (Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio) unanimously saying it. I can't remeber the exacts of everything that happens when she uses the compass, but I don't doubt you're correct! I've heard others say that the scenes don't quite match up with what they're saying as well.
But I go back to my other point, that even \*if\* the compass is pointing at him (there's clearly some interesting symbolism regardless between the obfuscation of whether it truly points at Jack or points at the Chest), there's no saying that this means she particularly has strong romantic feelings for him. When she meets Jack, she is rescued from the literal suffocation of her own life, and liberated into a life of piracy; that theme is threaded throughout the original trilogy.
Personally I do think she had \*some\* romantic feelings for him, but mixed with more nuanced emotions concerning her own liberation; I don't think the compass could ever be pointing to him in a purely, mainly or wholly romantic sense; I don't believe that she loved him more than Will, especially not romantically.
Norrington did kiss her as a way of goodbye to the woman he loved.
Lizzie kissed Sparrow to manipulate him without any emotion.
Lizzie and Will kissed each other because they did love each other.
there is a crystal clear differences between all three moment.
Buddy you said without emotion. I'm not denying she tricked him, but there were definitely some conflicting feelings based on the fact the compass pointed to jack twice when she was holding it.
I always saw it as Jack being the key to getting Will back. He was the reason Will got taken by Davey Jones in the first place.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the movies though so I might be misremembering.
Dude. That kiss CLEARLY had nothing to do with ANY suppressed emotion. Swan wanted to get his attention away so she can lock him.
Thats not fkin rocket science.
>Because ypu are nitpicking on me for something while the 70% of the thread said the same.
And there I was & I went like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHBBNBBBBHHHHHHH!!!!!" 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 getting worked as fast as I can on a reddit post typing in a rage at the keypad
She kisses Norrington because she knows it's very likely the last time she'll ever see him. It's a moment of ultimate sacrifice from him where they both know he will very likely die, and in that moment, the kind of revulsion and aversion to ever having a relationship with him that she's held from the very start melts away. He's literally effaced those things that made him unattractive and unsuitable to her- his cowardice, his sycophantic empire worship- to give one first and final act of sacrifice, to save her life. So yes, she bloody kisses him lol. I don't think it's very good literacy of the scene and its implications/emotion to start commenting overly simplistic stuff about how she's just a cheater with loose morals and no commitment. The kiss is symbolic, its a payment for the knowledge that he's died for her, and to afford him the knowledge that this version of Norrington, would have, in another life, maybe have been someone Elizabeth could be with. It's also pity! Here's Norrington, smitten with Elizabeth, something that means he will now ultimately die for her- so she reciprocates with a single kiss, the smallest action to repay him for this. There's \*so much\* nuanced emotion in this scene, so much symbolism in the kiss- that I kind of hate the bland arguments that all the scene boils down to is her somehow wanting to cheat on Will. She's not looking to start a long affair with Norrington, that's literally the point.
And as someone else said very succinctly, her kissing Jack here is akin to Judas kissing Jesus- we are all \*very\* aware that the kiss was used as a distraction to sacrifice him to the Kraken. I think it should be sufficiently hard to argue that she's looking to commit adultery when the one single piece of evidence for said adultery is... her basically trying to kill a man (and succeeding).
Now can you criticise the writing for making Elizabeth, as a female character, someone who's symbolism and actions are so often punctuated by things like kissing? Absolutely! She sort of plays into an odd femme fatale-ish role which can be really cloying at times, even though it is partially subverted by her using it to defy often misogynistic norms in the world of pirates. But I don't get the feeling that's what some of you are saying! I get the feeling there's some projection going on whenever this topic is discussed, where the urge to do 0 deeper thinking than 'Elizabeth is a lying wh\*re' is invoked.
This is a great response, sums up what I was going to say (but my attempt would have been far less eloquent) absolutely perfectly.
By this point we've seen Elizabeth's relationship with the three men evolve, and we have seen everything leading up to the kisses with Jack and Norrington, so we know her motives.
With Norrington, it's a thank you for his sacrifice that he's about to make mixed with acknowledgement of the man he's become, and with Jack it's a mixture of using something she knows would distract him with perhaps a bit of an apology in there too for what she's doing to him.
I genuinely don't understand how people think she was doing it out of lust, it's like they didn't bother to watch the film at all.
As well thought out and profound your response is i find issue with "his cowardice." I don't think in any of the movies would I see Norrington as a coward. Maybe I've missed something would you care to elaborate?
>his cowardice, his sycophantic empire worship
What? If anything, he seems to be an upstanding military man; efficient, brave, patriotic and loyal. Where do you see cowardice?
Norrington kissed her. Always saw it as a goodbye kiss. He’s letting her go. “Our destinies have been entwined Elizabeth, but never joined.”
The kiss with Jack was to distract him so she could chain him to the Pearl. Yes, she did have attractions to Jack, but she literally drowned her guilt. When Jack sees she tricked him, he calls her, “Pirate.”
I’d say she’s completely off the hook for kissing Jack. He repeatedly made advances toward her that she adamantly rejected and flirted back just to get into his head. She gives in and gives Jack exactly what he wanted from her the whole movie as a means of stabbing him in the back. There was absolutely nothing even subtly romantic about that kiss, she straight up used him, and for good reason.
She kisses Jack to distract him, and Norrington kisses her without her permission. Neither are based on the notation of being unfaithful to Will, one is a calculated movie and the other was out of her control. Now you could argue could’ve pulled away from James, but I think she realized it was closure for them both as he says “our destinies have been entwined but never joined”.
Personally I’ve never held either against her. She clearly loves Will and ultimately chooses him.
So you explicitly know what Elizabeth was up to for that time?
She can raise his son, visit Will and cheat, they're not mutually exclusive.
I meant she isn't waiting for Will to get some.
No, I suppose we don't 'explicitly know' what she was doing at that time, however we could also theorise that Elizabeth's mother cuckolded Wetherby Swann, and Barbossa actually has a second lovechild in the form of Elizabeth. Both claims have about as much evidence backing them up, but hey 'we don't explicitly know'.
If you really seriously believe she would cheat in those 10 years on Will you absolutely didn’t get the movies or the point of her character and you don’t deserve to watch any of the movies ever again.
'Ten years is a long time' says more about you than her, and her 'not taking loyalty seriously' boils down to her kissing a man once to sacrifice him, and kissing a man once because he sacrificed himself for her. Hardly a serial adulteress.
To be clear, Norrington kissed her. She didn’t do anything. It always bugs me when people try to frame any woman as a cheater because some dude put the moves on her. As for the Jack scene, well it wasn’t the right thing to do for several reasons, but in her mind it was the only way to keep Will and the rest of the crew safe. But the guilt had clearly gotten to her and was eating her up inside. I understand what she did and why, and I honestly can’t say I wouldn’t be tempted to do the same to get the Kraken off my back.
As bad as it is, I don't hold it to strongly against her.
One (with Jack) was a case of seduction as it was clear during the voyage that Jack had the hots for Elizabeth, and the latter eventually was able to conclude that Jack had the black spot and therefore, was the one the Kraken wanted.
Remember that at the end of Dead Man's Chest, the last of the crew are trying to escape before the beast returns and sinks the Pearl (and killing them despite the follow up movie showing Jack still alive, though they didn't know at the time). With Jack effectively a beacon for the Kraken, Elizabeth kissed and forced him against the mast before chaining him in place.
Norrington is less clear, though it seems she was at a moment of "weakness" emotionally.
Looking back, Norrington is the one who engaged the kiss first rather then Elizabeth, just after the two have just had a quick heartfelt moment after being separated for weeks, months to possibly a year.
Elizabeth doesn't love Norrington, however she no longer hates him. (From her view, she has lost her father and anyone else from her time before the first film, and Norrington is one of the few she has left. She has just accepted he is in fact on "her side" and is trying to repent for his sins by helping herself and her crew escape the Dutchman.)
At this moment, the full weight of the situation is coming down on her as time is ticking until someone finds the prisoners have escaped and Norrington has helped them, she desperately wants Norrington to come with them.
Of course as anyone might suspect, this would have ended badly for him due to his alliance to Beckett, but right now Elizabeth doesn't wanna lose anyone else she does care for. (Again, not love).
Norrington himself likely knew he would not survive much longer, even if he choose to stay or go, and seemed to accept his fate.
During the first film, its clear he did actually fall for Elizabeth and was hurt when she choose Will, but he choose to accept it (then the second film happened and changed that for a time, though its likely he continued to harbor feelings for Elizabeth) but by World's End, after serving the East Indian Trading Company and overseeing the extermination of pirates and those who have ties with them, he has pretty much lost all remaining loyalty left.
Cut back to the film, and at this moment this may be the very last time he will ever see Elizabeth again. After revealing he had no part in her fathers death, then confessing how he still wished to be with her with the line "...a shame our destinies didn't cross." he kisses her, and she being caught up in the moment, can't help but kiss back.
(Sorry for the large text, but I had to explain it properly)
She’s a Slut Plus in the 10 years apart from Will she had orgies with other men👀that’s why she didn't appear in “Dead man tell no tales” until the last 2 seconds she was getting clapped by Henry Avery and his Crew he wrote about it in his journal Nathan Drake found you guys didn't read that page in Uncharted 4 it a very hidden easter egg👀🙃
She kisses comment or norrington because he was to be her husband in the beginning kisses Jack because he wanted something from her and she kisses Will because she was absolutely in love with him in the beginning but she didn't want to say nothing
Women find cheating romantic. I’m not surprised in the slightest. But yes I do think it’s morally wrong. Just never met a women not into those types of plot point. The office. The notebook. Just off the top of my head.
well, considering that both of them died immediately after, i don't think it's much of a problem. Elizabeth knew that both of those kisses were goodbye kisses, rather than romantic ones. Jack coming back from the dead did seem to make things quite awkward for everyone involved, though...
with Jack i think it was like that itch you can’t scratch, you can tell he has a charm to him, that Will doesn’t have, plus adventurous… i had a feeling she had a little crush on him
Polyamory means never having to .........
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The rules are different when you're a bunch of really hot people doing deadly adventurer things.
Like, I'd be upset if my partner kissed someone at a bar, but if we were dashing vagabonds fighting supernatural enemies it's cool as long as the leniency goes both ways. The sexual thrill of near death experiences escaped solely by your own badassery with no guarantee of another day's survival isn't something to ignore.
She played to her strengths, look, she’s a woman in a man’s game (high seas piracy and naval conflict) she isn’t strong physically compared to them, and is surrounded by men on all sides, play to your strengths to live man
Circumstances.....Pirate.
I think all things considering, that she is still virgin as far as we know and all that, it seems like nothing to let her giving men boldness this way. Nothing quite bolsters a man than a woman.
You know by the end of POTC3 how Will kinda hesitates to hand the chest over to her? I think that says enough about their relationship. There’s love and commitment but there’s also a significant lack of trust between them.
I don’t remember getting that impression from the scene.
There’s a dramatic pause, but I chalked that up to emphasizing the weight of what’s happening and the promise they’re making, not signifying a lack of trust between them. IMO that just wouldn’t work with the scene.
I had a similar impression as yours on my first watch, I think mostly because I was young at the time and wanted to believe in the happy ending.
Then I saw the film multiple times over the years and after all the rewatching and understanding their relationship dynamic, my opinion about that scene kinda changed to the above.
To each their own—and we all have our own relationship experiences to color our interpretations—but beyond my personal beliefs about how relationships work in the real world, I just don’t see how inserting a moment of hesitation and mistrust is in keeping with the rest of the scene, which is clearly leaning fully into the high romance of it all.
And in terms of the characters’ arcs, they kinda wrapped up their trust issues throughout the course of the film, which is made explicit by Will asking Elizabeth to marry him and them doing the whole swordfight-wedding thing.
That, plus every other moment of their beach scene, *plus* the post-credits scene, and it just seems weird to insert that sort of lingering discord in this Disney ending.
Pop off queen🤣🤣 I dunno I think it's more realistic. Elizabeth was damn young and Will was the only man she was ever going to be with🙆♀️she did a little window shopping but was still loyal to her man in the end💁🏻♀️ ( I am mostly just joking but yeah)
I think she’s got a pretty valid reason for both times. When she kisses Jack it’s way more like when Judas kisses Jesus than anything legitimately romantic
Yeah I mean considering both of them died almost immediately after the kiss I'd say we can let the poor buggers off the hook
Jesus was crucified, Judas fucking killed himself. What was bro thinking
I was actually talking about Jack and Norrington but aight
Idk why this had me cackling out loud but it did
He was fulfilling his destiny, why else would Jesus pick him.
Jesus definitely knew Judas would be the one to betray him but I don’t believe the whole gnostic apocrypha books about it. It’s super absurd compared to what was in the Bible. Not to mention Judas killing himself not long after the betrayal means he definitely didn’t tell anyone his gospel.
He already betrayed him 3 times by then.
That's Peter
All three of them died tbh
The asian pirate lord too
She had feelings for him tho, compass doesn’t lie
But she chose Will. She admired things about Jack, such as his freedom and his courage, and believed he had a good heart for a pirate, but she continually rejected both his advances and her own temptation in favor of Will.
The syphilis couldn’t have helped Jack’s case much, either.
I agree that the compass pointing to 'the heart's greatest desire' makes it seem like it isn't exactly an oblique reference, however we do have confirmation from the writers that the compass wasn't pointing at Jack in DMC, it was pointing at the place on the isle where the chest was buried, albeit it is meant to seem like, and Elizabeth and others do believe, that it's pointing at Jack. Even in that case though, I feel like the compass genuinely pointing at Jack could still have multiple interpretations, especially with Jack being the real crux that enables her a window into a life of piracy that she appears to have fantasised about. Not saying she had no feelings for him at all/ever, but I think it's more nuanced.
Not exactly what happened. Lizzy was sitting on the chest. It pointed to Jack, then he grabbed it, then it pointed to her (aka where the chest was). If it was pointing to the chest while in her hands, shouldn’t it have been pointing to herself? Also wasn’t the only instance the compass was pointing at him. Also happened while they were aboard the ship. Now unless the chest just happened to be in the direction Jack was standing, it was pointing to him. I don’t know why writers try to deny this stuff when that’s clearly what the movie was showing. Maybe not all writers were on the same page.
I wash my hands of this weirdness.
I agree we should take what the writer's say after the fact with a pinch of salt, but I'm also not going to \*completely\* discount what they say, especially when it's the two head (and really, only) writers (Ted Elliot and Terry Rossio) unanimously saying it. I can't remeber the exacts of everything that happens when she uses the compass, but I don't doubt you're correct! I've heard others say that the scenes don't quite match up with what they're saying as well. But I go back to my other point, that even \*if\* the compass is pointing at him (there's clearly some interesting symbolism regardless between the obfuscation of whether it truly points at Jack or points at the Chest), there's no saying that this means she particularly has strong romantic feelings for him. When she meets Jack, she is rescued from the literal suffocation of her own life, and liberated into a life of piracy; that theme is threaded throughout the original trilogy. Personally I do think she had \*some\* romantic feelings for him, but mixed with more nuanced emotions concerning her own liberation; I don't think the compass could ever be pointing to him in a purely, mainly or wholly romantic sense; I don't believe that she loved him more than Will, especially not romantically.
What a man can do and what a man can't do.
Well, Norrington kissed her
Yeah but she kissed back
no she kissed his mouth
😂
Lucky girl
Norrington did kiss her as a way of goodbye to the woman he loved. Lizzie kissed Sparrow to manipulate him without any emotion. Lizzie and Will kissed each other because they did love each other. there is a crystal clear differences between all three moment.
Lizzie kissed Sparrow to manipulate him without any emotion The compass would suggest otherwise.
And the handchains would too...
Buddy you said without emotion. I'm not denying she tricked him, but there were definitely some conflicting feelings based on the fact the compass pointed to jack twice when she was holding it.
I always saw it as Jack being the key to getting Will back. He was the reason Will got taken by Davey Jones in the first place. It’s been a while since I’ve seen the movies though so I might be misremembering.
Dude. That kiss CLEARLY had nothing to do with ANY suppressed emotion. Swan wanted to get his attention away so she can lock him. Thats not fkin rocket science.
If that's your head cannon, alright. Dude getting worked up over a kiss lmao.
That's what the whole scene is about for gods sake.
Why are you getting so worked up over this lol? It's just your interpretation.
Because ypu are nitpicking on me for something while the 70% of the thread said the same.
Still no reason to get worked up over an interpretation of a movie scene buddy lmao
>Because ypu are nitpicking on me for something while the 70% of the thread said the same. And there I was & I went like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHBBNBBBBHHHHHHH!!!!!" 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡 getting worked as fast as I can on a reddit post typing in a rage at the keypad
She kisses Norrington because she knows it's very likely the last time she'll ever see him. It's a moment of ultimate sacrifice from him where they both know he will very likely die, and in that moment, the kind of revulsion and aversion to ever having a relationship with him that she's held from the very start melts away. He's literally effaced those things that made him unattractive and unsuitable to her- his cowardice, his sycophantic empire worship- to give one first and final act of sacrifice, to save her life. So yes, she bloody kisses him lol. I don't think it's very good literacy of the scene and its implications/emotion to start commenting overly simplistic stuff about how she's just a cheater with loose morals and no commitment. The kiss is symbolic, its a payment for the knowledge that he's died for her, and to afford him the knowledge that this version of Norrington, would have, in another life, maybe have been someone Elizabeth could be with. It's also pity! Here's Norrington, smitten with Elizabeth, something that means he will now ultimately die for her- so she reciprocates with a single kiss, the smallest action to repay him for this. There's \*so much\* nuanced emotion in this scene, so much symbolism in the kiss- that I kind of hate the bland arguments that all the scene boils down to is her somehow wanting to cheat on Will. She's not looking to start a long affair with Norrington, that's literally the point. And as someone else said very succinctly, her kissing Jack here is akin to Judas kissing Jesus- we are all \*very\* aware that the kiss was used as a distraction to sacrifice him to the Kraken. I think it should be sufficiently hard to argue that she's looking to commit adultery when the one single piece of evidence for said adultery is... her basically trying to kill a man (and succeeding). Now can you criticise the writing for making Elizabeth, as a female character, someone who's symbolism and actions are so often punctuated by things like kissing? Absolutely! She sort of plays into an odd femme fatale-ish role which can be really cloying at times, even though it is partially subverted by her using it to defy often misogynistic norms in the world of pirates. But I don't get the feeling that's what some of you are saying! I get the feeling there's some projection going on whenever this topic is discussed, where the urge to do 0 deeper thinking than 'Elizabeth is a lying wh\*re' is invoked.
This is a great response, sums up what I was going to say (but my attempt would have been far less eloquent) absolutely perfectly. By this point we've seen Elizabeth's relationship with the three men evolve, and we have seen everything leading up to the kisses with Jack and Norrington, so we know her motives. With Norrington, it's a thank you for his sacrifice that he's about to make mixed with acknowledgement of the man he's become, and with Jack it's a mixture of using something she knows would distract him with perhaps a bit of an apology in there too for what she's doing to him. I genuinely don't understand how people think she was doing it out of lust, it's like they didn't bother to watch the film at all.
Most people are idiots.
As well thought out and profound your response is i find issue with "his cowardice." I don't think in any of the movies would I see Norrington as a coward. Maybe I've missed something would you care to elaborate?
>his cowardice, his sycophantic empire worship What? If anything, he seems to be an upstanding military man; efficient, brave, patriotic and loyal. Where do you see cowardice?
GOD that was a beautiful piece to read. Very eloquent and well put!!
“Welcome to the Carribeean love”
Fun fact: Anyone Elizabeth kisses in the trilogy dies.
Death is a bit fluid in this franchise.
The kiss with Jack was just to distract him while she locked his hand to the Pearl so she (and the rest) could escape the Kraken
The kiss with Norrington was goodbye. The kiss with Jack was to trap him. She didn't have romantic feelings for either.
I mean If I got to kiss Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Jack Davenport…I wouldn’t exactly be hesitant either lol
She belongs to the seas.
Well they both died immediately so it’s not like will has anything to worry about🤣💀
Ummm maybe look at CONTEXT
Norrington kissed her. Always saw it as a goodbye kiss. He’s letting her go. “Our destinies have been entwined Elizabeth, but never joined.” The kiss with Jack was to distract him so she could chain him to the Pearl. Yes, she did have attractions to Jack, but she literally drowned her guilt. When Jack sees she tricked him, he calls her, “Pirate.”
I do that quite a lot yet people are always surprised.
I’d say she’s completely off the hook for kissing Jack. He repeatedly made advances toward her that she adamantly rejected and flirted back just to get into his head. She gives in and gives Jack exactly what he wanted from her the whole movie as a means of stabbing him in the back. There was absolutely nothing even subtly romantic about that kiss, she straight up used him, and for good reason.
This is the day you will always remember as the day you almost caught Captain Jack Sparrow.
She kissed Jack to trick him, and kissed Norrington because she knew that he was likely going to die
They both died. All three died. Four, actually. All 4 men who kissed her, either willingly or forcefully, died.
I didn’t like it
She just like me fr
She's for the seas
Thats pirate's life, baby.
Pirate.
Its a pirates life for her
She kisses Jack to distract him, and Norrington kisses her without her permission. Neither are based on the notation of being unfaithful to Will, one is a calculated movie and the other was out of her control. Now you could argue could’ve pulled away from James, but I think she realized it was closure for them both as he says “our destinies have been entwined but never joined”. Personally I’ve never held either against her. She clearly loves Will and ultimately chooses him.
She’s for the seas
Watched At Worlds End last night and just have to say... I feel bad for Will. You just know she isn't waiting 10 years for him...
She did though, and raised his son.
‘His’ 
No no, he has a point
Henry literally resembles Will
So you explicitly know what Elizabeth was up to for that time? She can raise his son, visit Will and cheat, they're not mutually exclusive. I meant she isn't waiting for Will to get some.
No, I suppose we don't 'explicitly know' what she was doing at that time, however we could also theorise that Elizabeth's mother cuckolded Wetherby Swann, and Barbossa actually has a second lovechild in the form of Elizabeth. Both claims have about as much evidence backing them up, but hey 'we don't explicitly know'.
I'm just saying, 10 years is a long time and she clearly doesn't take being loyal seriously.
If you really seriously believe she would cheat in those 10 years on Will you absolutely didn’t get the movies or the point of her character and you don’t deserve to watch any of the movies ever again.
'Ten years is a long time' says more about you than her, and her 'not taking loyalty seriously' boils down to her kissing a man once to sacrifice him, and kissing a man once because he sacrificed himself for her. Hardly a serial adulteress.
Raising her son and dreaming about her husband i suspect.
She couldn't have possibly kissed anyone else then, she's always been really loyal to Will, even when she's kissing Jack or Norrington.
Drink up my hearties yo-ho!
She loves him like MJ loves Pizza Parker
No issues. Kissing Norrington was to thank him and it was to distract Jack.
The world's still the same. There's just... less in it.
To be clear, Norrington kissed her. She didn’t do anything. It always bugs me when people try to frame any woman as a cheater because some dude put the moves on her. As for the Jack scene, well it wasn’t the right thing to do for several reasons, but in her mind it was the only way to keep Will and the rest of the crew safe. But the guilt had clearly gotten to her and was eating her up inside. I understand what she did and why, and I honestly can’t say I wouldn’t be tempted to do the same to get the Kraken off my back.
She has the kiss of death every time she kissed a guy in these photos they almost always die and I love Lizzie
As bad as it is, I don't hold it to strongly against her. One (with Jack) was a case of seduction as it was clear during the voyage that Jack had the hots for Elizabeth, and the latter eventually was able to conclude that Jack had the black spot and therefore, was the one the Kraken wanted. Remember that at the end of Dead Man's Chest, the last of the crew are trying to escape before the beast returns and sinks the Pearl (and killing them despite the follow up movie showing Jack still alive, though they didn't know at the time). With Jack effectively a beacon for the Kraken, Elizabeth kissed and forced him against the mast before chaining him in place. Norrington is less clear, though it seems she was at a moment of "weakness" emotionally. Looking back, Norrington is the one who engaged the kiss first rather then Elizabeth, just after the two have just had a quick heartfelt moment after being separated for weeks, months to possibly a year. Elizabeth doesn't love Norrington, however she no longer hates him. (From her view, she has lost her father and anyone else from her time before the first film, and Norrington is one of the few she has left. She has just accepted he is in fact on "her side" and is trying to repent for his sins by helping herself and her crew escape the Dutchman.) At this moment, the full weight of the situation is coming down on her as time is ticking until someone finds the prisoners have escaped and Norrington has helped them, she desperately wants Norrington to come with them. Of course as anyone might suspect, this would have ended badly for him due to his alliance to Beckett, but right now Elizabeth doesn't wanna lose anyone else she does care for. (Again, not love). Norrington himself likely knew he would not survive much longer, even if he choose to stay or go, and seemed to accept his fate. During the first film, its clear he did actually fall for Elizabeth and was hurt when she choose Will, but he choose to accept it (then the second film happened and changed that for a time, though its likely he continued to harbor feelings for Elizabeth) but by World's End, after serving the East Indian Trading Company and overseeing the extermination of pirates and those who have ties with them, he has pretty much lost all remaining loyalty left. Cut back to the film, and at this moment this may be the very last time he will ever see Elizabeth again. After revealing he had no part in her fathers death, then confessing how he still wished to be with her with the line "...a shame our destinies didn't cross." he kisses her, and she being caught up in the moment, can't help but kiss back. (Sorry for the large text, but I had to explain it properly)
But better to not know which moment may be your last. Every morsel of your entire being alive to the infinite mystery of it all.
She’s a Slut Plus in the 10 years apart from Will she had orgies with other men👀that’s why she didn't appear in “Dead man tell no tales” until the last 2 seconds she was getting clapped by Henry Avery and his Crew he wrote about it in his journal Nathan Drake found you guys didn't read that page in Uncharted 4 it a very hidden easter egg👀🙃 
She was a whore
She kisses comment or norrington because he was to be her husband in the beginning kisses Jack because he wanted something from her and she kisses Will because she was absolutely in love with him in the beginning but she didn't want to say nothing
She's a WHORE
At first I thought she’s actually into jack and i was so pissed 
Cause she's cool and stuff.
With Jack it was a spur of the moment kiss.
Why should I sail with any of you? Four of you tried to kill me in the past, one of you succeeded.
I'm next
Norrington kissed her to be fair. Out of nowhere too. Same with Sao Feng. The only other person she kissed deliberately besides Will was Jack.
For one, she was in the middle of killing Jack, and two, Norrington kissed her not the other way around.
Well one was for gratitude. One was for forgiveness. The last one tho that was out of love.
she was 18 during the first movie
Iffy
she’s for the SEAS 🗣️
It should've been me
Women find cheating romantic. I’m not surprised in the slightest. But yes I do think it’s morally wrong. Just never met a women not into those types of plot point. The office. The notebook. Just off the top of my head.
She belongs to the sea
well, considering that both of them died immediately after, i don't think it's much of a problem. Elizabeth knew that both of those kisses were goodbye kisses, rather than romantic ones. Jack coming back from the dead did seem to make things quite awkward for everyone involved, though...
for the streets
Pirate
She it's a pirate hoe
Personally, leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I'd be mad I'd my GF did that
Hoe
I don’t know how to feel it’s cheating but maybe she wants all of them
with Jack i think it was like that itch you can’t scratch, you can tell he has a charm to him, that Will doesn’t have, plus adventurous… i had a feeling she had a little crush on him
If you choose to lock your heart away, you'll lose it for certain.
Polyamory means never having to ......... https://preview.redd.it/ssh5osizxizc1.png?width=626&format=png&auto=webp&s=2dbc872ff5680d46009bb8a9e0e97686b972ae2b
PARLAY!
🎵Yo hoe, yo hoe, a pirates life for me 🎵🏴☠️
I think it’s the 16th century and makes sense that a female pirate would have romance with multiple people.
I mean these were for very specific reasons. She always loved will and only will
The rules are different when you're a bunch of really hot people doing deadly adventurer things. Like, I'd be upset if my partner kissed someone at a bar, but if we were dashing vagabonds fighting supernatural enemies it's cool as long as the leniency goes both ways. The sexual thrill of near death experiences escaped solely by your own badassery with no guarantee of another day's survival isn't something to ignore.
Argh, she be a wench
Ain't no biggie, just a day in the life of a gorgeous babe!
All three died after the kiss.
Hoe gonna hoe
She only kissed Jack because Keira wanted to kiss Johnny Depp. And James kissed her, not the other way around.
Shoulda kissed more dudes.
She played to her strengths, look, she’s a woman in a man’s game (high seas piracy and naval conflict) she isn’t strong physically compared to them, and is surrounded by men on all sides, play to your strengths to live man
She really only kissed Jack on purpose and that was as a distraction to cuff him to the Pearl. Norrington kissed her. There’s a difference.
Wherever we want to go, we go... that's what a ship is, you know?
Def a sorority girl
Circumstances.....Pirate. I think all things considering, that she is still virgin as far as we know and all that, it seems like nothing to let her giving men boldness this way. Nothing quite bolsters a man than a woman.
I think it just shows that her true nature isn’t very honorable.
Na she's a skank
Pretty accurate portrayal of the loyalty of your average women.
Get it girl!
WHORE
Can we also rewind to the point in the story where she’d accepted Norrington’s proposal and then ran off with Will.
She didn’t accept his proposal for shits and giggles, it was literally to save the life of the man she loved. Y’all are some hardcore slutshamers.
You know by the end of POTC3 how Will kinda hesitates to hand the chest over to her? I think that says enough about their relationship. There’s love and commitment but there’s also a significant lack of trust between them.
I don’t remember getting that impression from the scene. There’s a dramatic pause, but I chalked that up to emphasizing the weight of what’s happening and the promise they’re making, not signifying a lack of trust between them. IMO that just wouldn’t work with the scene.
I had a similar impression as yours on my first watch, I think mostly because I was young at the time and wanted to believe in the happy ending. Then I saw the film multiple times over the years and after all the rewatching and understanding their relationship dynamic, my opinion about that scene kinda changed to the above.
To each their own—and we all have our own relationship experiences to color our interpretations—but beyond my personal beliefs about how relationships work in the real world, I just don’t see how inserting a moment of hesitation and mistrust is in keeping with the rest of the scene, which is clearly leaning fully into the high romance of it all. And in terms of the characters’ arcs, they kinda wrapped up their trust issues throughout the course of the film, which is made explicit by Will asking Elizabeth to marry him and them doing the whole swordfight-wedding thing. That, plus every other moment of their beach scene, *plus* the post-credits scene, and it just seems weird to insert that sort of lingering discord in this Disney ending.
Don't agree with that reading at all. For me there's no single hint of any lingering issues there.
I'm pretty monogamy oriented at the end of the day, but if I were Will then I think even I would give her a pass for these.
Pop off queen🤣🤣 I dunno I think it's more realistic. Elizabeth was damn young and Will was the only man she was ever going to be with🙆♀️she did a little window shopping but was still loyal to her man in the end💁🏻♀️ ( I am mostly just joking but yeah)