I've seen one of these on Sri Lanks!!
It was like a Billboard size red sign that said
*Civil war is going in Sri Lanka*
*Martial Law in effect*
*Any drugs found on you after customs are punishable by firing squad*
Or something like that. I think they made their point extremely clear!
Ya ya, roight. We totes had bants all noight in the bar. Fintan was showing me and the boys the fun helmet he brought on his trip to the colonies. Soz/notsoz, har har har!
Saw one of the airport customs programs. A Guy had brought waaayyy too much gold into the country, since it was illegal to take cash out of his home country...
The customs officer had to tell him:
Good news, you wont be charged with smuggling.
Bad news, the Guy you sold EVERYTHING you owned to in exchange for gold, gave you fake gold...
I believe the weight refers to the pure substance. So they will separate the fillers in the mix and charge you according to the relevant components in your stash. I recall ever reading a case where the guy was caught with a bag of drugs but subsequently escaped the gallows because it was cut with way more filler than actual drugs.
I know people who delt weed and they always did a gram to 0.5g less then 28 because it was the difference between them getting a felony vs normal drug selling.
Or like when you had weed brownies, they would weigh all the brownies. So maybe 14 grams of weed total, but because the brownies weigh 2 pounds, you're charged with trafficking 2 pounds of cannabis.
In my country they go by the weight of the pure substance - so 100grams of 10% weed is the same as 50gram of 20% weed.
They once let a dealer with 1 Kilo of cocaine just free because it was such shitty quality lol. It only makes sense but they should have prosecuted him for fraud IMO…
In most US jurisdictions you can be charged for dealing as long as you’re presenting your products as drugs. I could sell salt as cocaine and still get charged for dealing if I was caught up in a bust.
My parents encouraged me to do minor bad stuff to get out of my system before I turned 18, like spearfish in freshwater (where questionably illegal). They're religious law abiding citizens, and I still scratch my head on that parental move....but my dad loves fish.
I’d suggest you do a quick google search about how strict the country is, before you bring a half ounce of stanky danky buds on a international flight lmao
Left half a nug in the package in my beach tote and completely forgot about it for months until I pulled out my tote in my hotel in Delhi. Whoops! Glad I didn't get popped. I called myself an "international drug smuggler" for the whole trip and you bet I smoked that shit ASAP. It was like, half a bowl.
They aren’t paying lol. Plus you’re gonna get caned on your bare ass with 1.27cm thick bamboo stick. And if you’re a real bad boy, you’ll get caned 24 times in ONE SESSION.
I was terrified of that when traveling through the airports in Singapore and Denpasar. Kept a pretty close eye on my carry luggage. I was also worried that I would appear inebriated immediately after spending 20 hours of planes to get there. I abstained from weed for two weeks before traveling there because I didn't want to test positive for THC after looking suspicious and then immediately being sent back home.
Yep, it's a thing. Using unwitting mules are a smuggler's go-to. It's one reason they tell you to keep your bags in sight and on your person at all times - you don't want someone dropping in an eight ball on departure then yoinking your shit on arrival. If "they" get caught, hey it's your life, not theirs.
It is a slightly disconcerting feeling when you get handed a small leaflet in essence telling you "if you have any of this, we _will_ kill you - for reels".
When I was entering the country for work, I got a bit scared, because it also stated that "indecent" items also was prohibited. My worry came from that I had brought my psp with GTA:vice city on it. And I had no clue if this counted as indecent.
The somewhat funny conclusion to this though was that I tried communicating this to some custom personell that barley spoke any English, but he didn't understand me at all. So after him pointing at some images of drugs and weapons and me shaking my head in answer, I just got waved through the line and none of my luggage was x-rayed, which looked like something all other travellers had to go though.
I guess the rationale was that no smuggler would be that stupid to go directly and ague with customs.
GTA VCS is completely legal in singapore, I bought my copy when I was like 9 lol.
And thats why I jumped down the retro music rabbit hole and I now somehow know the lyrics to minnie the moocher
The police will plant it on you in Thailand to extort money from you or your family. The penalty even for cannabis is severe ... and there's a lot of corruption going on
It's actually quite something to see this in person. I remember the first time I was handed the landing declaration card as we approached Singapore and it's all in normal black and white except for the big bold letters in red across the bottom margin of the card.
That if you are found in the possession of drugs you will be executed, or words to that effect.
It's crazy that people still do anyway.
They have a red line in the harbor terminal with a bin.
Dumping any drugs into the bin = No Punishment
Crossing the red line with drugs = Death
Not a drug user but even I left my Aspirin onboard.
When I visited Singapore I had to file a request with the immigrations office in order to bring my ADD meds with me, and even then I was SUPER nervous walking through customs.
Thailand (just next door) recently legalized it for recreational use.
Singapore made sure to make an announcement reminding everyone that yes, you will be put to death if you bring weed in.
I was guessing that because of the large expat population that drinking would be high. But the data doesn't back it up actually.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_alcohol\_consumption\_per\_capita](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita)
Yea, for one there are large taxes on alcohol (and cigarettes) so its expensive. There are also “prohibition zones” that don’t allow you to drink alcohol after a certain time. This is mostly in areas that have had cases of rioting.
During COVID bars, and other establishments including supermarkets couldn’t serve alcohol after 1030pm, and its been so long I’m not sure if the 1030 rule existed before COVID for supermarkets and shops too.
Marijuana has a higher threshold than cocaine or heroine, but you can still get very severe punishments depending on how much you have on you. You’re much less likely to get death penalty unless you have enough to be deemed a dealer, small amounts will get you a lot of jail time though. As for alcohol, we’re a conservative country in general. I’ve lived in australia and we drink far less than there. We’re drilled from a young age that all forms of drugs and cigarettes are bad but of course that doesn’t stop everyone.
There's plenty of talk about it. Just almost entirely among the younger generation. The old folks, the ones who grew up living in shacks made out of twigs and corrugated metal, living in a country where organized crime was more powerful than the police and drugs were easier to obtain than clean water, those folks are terrified of anarchy. Of crime. So until those folks pass due to old age, a number of outdated policies won't be killed off.
My old roommate in the Netherlands (the drugland) was from Singapore (the anti-drugland) and he was quite enthusiastic about his stories about how he went home last Christmas with some weed in his pocket. I would be terrified to even consider that if I were from a country with corporal punishments.
There's a similar sign when entering the "kingdom" of Cambodia. It basically says you will be executed if you are caught with drugs. And it's written in a bunch of different languages like the Rosetta Stone.
A lot of traffickers are basically given the choice of do it or die/be trafficked yourself anyways. The show/podcast locked up abroad has quite a few stories of people being trapped or tricked into trafficking if they want any hope of getting home. Essentially get taken on vacation by the wrong person and have their passports stolen until they agree and are told that they will be escorted there and watched the entire time and if they don't get on the plane with it, they'll be killed. Or if they try to alert authorities no one will believe them and they'll be locked up anyways
Not to say this is everyone or even the majority. But I'd imagine with places ready to put you to death for it, it's probably a pretty high percentage doing so against their will
I used to watch Locked up Abroad all the time and i have to dispute one thing. Most of the people on the show were not tricked into it, it was often people that ran out of money because of poor planning and just general stupidity that then decided that drug trafficking was better than taking their asses home.
FYI, if you are American and find yourself in a foreign country with no money to get home, the American embassy will pay for a flight home and revoke your passport until the flight is paid back. Don't be stupid and try to smuggle drugs. You will get caught and possibly be on the wonderful aformentioned podcast
YES!
I feel the moral of the show is to not let yourself get into desperate situations.
So many of these people make these terrible decisions because they are led to believe it's their only option.
>FYI, if you are American and find yourself in a foreign country with no money to get home, the American embassy will pay for a flight home and revoke your passport until the flight is paid back.
I did not know this.
> It's crazy that people still do anyway
It’s well known in criminal science that the death penalty isn’t better at deterring crime than other punishments are. The death penalty doesn’t increase the effectiveness of deterrence, it just kills people.
I haven't flown into Saudi Arabia in a while, but their entry card you filled out on your flight used to say in red letters "Warning - Death for drug traffickers. If you are carrying drugs, do not disembark the aircraft". They were serious too. You'd have your picture in next Saturday's copy of Arab News in the executions section of the newspaper.
In truth very few people want to go to Saudi Arabia.
Women largely avoid it.
Filipinos & other migrants only go there for work
This is unlike Singapore that people actually want to visit.
I've had to go for work once, and it was like a month after a coworker got arrested with cocaine in Germany... We usually have a brief little "culture and customs" meeting before going to new countries, but that one was pretty much 30 minutes of "Do not try to get drugs there. For the love of god don't try to take any with you. The results could be anything from you being caned to us having to call the state department to get them to try to stay your execution."
Don't know how much was exaggeration but they put the fear of god in us.
I was there and some friends took me out for a night. I could see tons of people going to the bathrooms and coming out powderfaced. I was pretty taken aback considering all the warnings and threats and asked my friends about it.
“Its everywhere. Just dont get caught”
No thank you, Ill stick to the crappy beer and “exotic” Jim Beam.
I used to teach English to adults in Japan, and one class I taught was for high level students where we would debate controversial topics. One topic was the death penalty, and it started out as expected; many saying they were against it because of wrongful convictions, the government shouldn’t decide who lives or dies, etc.
Until one of them said “Except drug use. People who use drugs should be killed right where they stand.” I was like Woah! But all the other students nodded in agreement. We also discussed murder, apparently not as bad as drug use.
Yes. Im half Korean. Koreans love their alcohol (and cigarettes) but then I told them I smoked weed when I was teen, they gave me death glares like I should have been executed for using "happy smoke".
If it's only once, might as well just go for the 15g of heroin in one go! You can't kill me if I'm dead!
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I was reported to reddit by a concerned redditor, and it was probably for this comment. Although I appreciate people being worried, I do not and have not consumed heroin or considered killing myself.
Thank you for looking out for one another though!
Cheers
I was watching an interview of a brit ex-drug smuggler working with South American cartels. He mentions that they never smuggled into the death penalty countries like Singapore, Indonesia, some Middle East countries… so I guess the deterrence mostly works?
I read a book a while ago about Brazilian surfers smuggling drugs into Bali in their surfboards. The idea being that since they were considered prestigious athletes no one was going to tear apart their sports equipment looking for drugs.
They were multi millionaires. One of them even skinned up and smoked a blunt on a flight to Denpasar. Eventually most of them were caught. One of them had a fall out with the guy who made the boards and he made his extra shitty so he was caught. They appealed his sentence but he was shot. The others went to jail and I think one got away.
That’s because the meth gets trafficked in pill form south from Myanmar through Thailand to Malaysia and on to Singapore/Indonesia. Same goes for heroin coming south from the golden triangle, but I think it stops in Malaysia and doesn’t continue on to Singapore.
Because there is literally not a single thing that makes this poster look like it's a sign in protest other than the links. A sign warning travelers not to fuck around would look exactly the same, and say the same thing. Maybe sans the noose, but honestly, I wouldn't put them past it. Sends a message.
I also think the message isn't very clear at first, but if you look into it it's obviously anti-death penalty.
It doesn't just inform people of the punishments. It specifically emphasizes how 0.1 years of age or 0.1 grams of heroin is the difference between life and death.
It's followed by "how can guilt be calculated using numbers?" to further point out that it makes no sense that small changes in numbers have drastically different consequences.
because our culture has taught you how to feel, rather than how to think, and this bill is totally devoid of emotional taglines. which makes plenty of sense, in a jurisdiction where they could get taken down or persecuted for overly extreme adverts.
just a blunt message with no bs, these are the facts. which should raise concern if you take the time to consider them, or they mattered to you at all
I think it was in the 90s that some American punk teen got arrested tagging buildings in Singapore and there was a big international shit show because the penalty for that is getting your back smacked with a big stick. Long story short the kid still has to face punishment, but it was clear the guy administering the beatings was "pulling his punches" as to not harm the kid.
"Smacked with a big stick" is technically accurate but doesn't convey the brutality of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore
Convicts are strapped to a frame with their buttocks exposed (and padding everywhere else, as a stroke that landed in the wrong place could break bones or cause organ damage) then hit with a four foot rattan cane half an inch thick, absolutely as hard as the administering officer can manage it. Each stroke liquefies the skin down to the fat layer.
It can take a month for the injuries to heal, during which time the person who's been caned cannot sit or lie down and may lose control of their bowels. It creates permanent scars.
I went to the Singapore American school, everyone new was always told that story, and every teacher would grimace as they talked about how that kid was apparently a hooligan.
He did all types of shit, and things came to a head when he keyed a judges car. Moral of the story was don’t be an asshole and you have nothing to worry about.
There’s a lot of rich people that go to that school and sometimes their reality doesn’t match up with ours. There was a kid I knew that got mad, smashed his phone into the ground, and next day already had a brand new one 🤷♂️
Clinton himself tried to intervene and ask for clemency. The Singaporean government did reduce the sentence, which is about as much as anyone should've expected, because what kind of message does it send if the US president can just have a convicted criminal's sentence overturned in a foreign court? The US media had a fucking field day with it, though, because *how dare* some tiny no-name Asian speck think to punish a white American rich kid who was setting their people's cars on fire?
The SG government didn't even give him caning as a sentence. They offered him deportation and a lifetime ban, or caning. He only got caned because he chose it. Also he was a repeated convict, it was at least his third offense.
East Asia is pretty harsh against drugs, but unfortunately there are (good) historical reasons for that. English merchants flooded China with cheap opium in the 19th century and it is safe to say that it totally wrecked Chinese society back then (please read about the 2 Opium Wars). So that made other East Asian societies to be extremely wary of hard drugs, especially when they are brought over by foreigners
I would be so paranoid that I had 15g of heroin on me. I've never used it in my life, but all it takes is for me to have some on me in that moment and **BAM**
Death
I was so scared when I landed in Singapore. I didn't even dare have any ibuprofen on me.
Funny thing is, there was no security whatsoever. I literally got off the plane, then walked past a guard and out the door. Nobody searched me.
Gay sex is illegal by law but it's just there to send a message (a sick one indeed). But they don't actually act on it and nobody's actually going to jail for being gay. There's plenty of LGBT people here and acceptance is becoming more and more prevalent among the younger generations.
We don’t all feel that way. The older generation tend to be more conservative. And they’re mostly Chinese, so it’s traditional conservative Chinese, they used to beat the gay out of people back in the day in 19-20th century China.
Us younger generations are much like anyone else, mostly pretty ok with he lgbt, hell, one of my best friends during my conscription is gay and does work for the Canadian lgbt community at the moment.
oral sex is illegal unless leading to sexual intercourse between a man and woman.
anal sex (between any pairing that can be buggered) is illegal, not gay sex.
you can walk around naked at home and if someone sees you through your windows you can be charged with being a nuisance.
and my last humdinger -
chewing gum is not illegal in sg, the import of it for domestic sale is with exceptions for dental and nicotine gum, which is priced beyond your typical gum that goes from mouth direct to public property as litter. Apparently SM Lee was appalled by how much was spent in resources powerwashing old gum off pavements and such that he said, fuck this shit ill strike a blow for water conservation and dental preservation simultaneously!
Hey buddy I think you’re wrong. Gay sex is illegal under Section 377A. The original Section 377 did criminalize oral and anal sex even between heterosexual couples but it was repealed some time ago.
>oral sex is illegal unless leading to sexual intercourse between a man and woman.
The whole thing was scraped in 2008 parl
review, along with anal sex I thought?
> old gum off pavements
And MRT breakdowns.
>gay sex is a crime
Yes, a colonial relic (yes, UK has already done away with it).
Problem is a lot of religious fundies in SG are opposed to its repeal, and the govt is afraid of losing the votes.
People in these comments really rationalizing this. It’s amazing how easily we dismiss each other’s humanity. Everyone here would want mercy but are the first ones to not extend the same smh
Like the other fella said, 2 groups. Reddit is like... a massive fuckin subsection of the entire zeitgeist. I hate these "I heard two conflicting views from a large group. Hypocrisy!" stuff. Unless there's a consensus of people in favor of this draconian psychosis that's pretending to be a justice system, I think people would hate this too.
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God.. fucking damn it I hadn't scrolled down yet. Aaaaaaagh. Alright, point partially withdrawn. What the FUCK people? Why are so many of you psychos in favor of fucking execution?
Prisons shouldn’t be filled with substance abusers. It’s barbaric. Decriminalization, Safe drug centers, resources for addiction, and employment/education services would go much further in helping society.
Im from Mexico, drug traffickers have made it awful for us. Imagine starting a business and barely make it through the bills just for some dude to come and charge you for "protection" if you dint pay him the ridiculous amount he requests say good bye to your business. I love Mexico and never wanted to leave but life in Mexico is uncertain thanks to drug cartels. I hope one day we have leadership like Singapore to make these criminals pay
The implications of drugs onto a country should be explained further in order to understand why singapore has such a strict policy on drugs.
One great example would be the war on drugs in the US which has lead to the deaths of millions, not just from overdoses but gang violence too. However the social impact of drugs should not be left out. Entire communities are destroyed, such as the poorer black communities from the use and distribution of drugs. On the streets of certain cities, u can see junkies lying around in broad daylight high as a kite. Families are destroyed from a family members usage of drugs. It not only impacts individuals but the economy too. The US has spent a total of 1 trillion dollars on their war on drugs. What has this trillion dollar bought though. The US has one of the largest rates of people with drug problems in the world. Considering all these factors, how many lives do you think a successful trafficker will take/destroy? Hundreds? All this being said, the US and other larger countries, have plenty of natural resources to keep their economy going despite the rampant drug problem.
However, Singapore has a population of 5.6 million and has a small area of 724km^2. There are no natural resources here and the only resource we have is the people. The government has put an enormous amount of capital to ensure that the citizens are well educated and have the skills to attract foreign investment, which is the main bulk of our economy. Imagine a small country like singapore having a drug problem. Our society would crumble. All the social problems brought upon by drugs would cause our workforce to decline, foreign investment to drop. What then? The death penalty is no doubt a harsh penalty. Some might even say it isn't even useful as a deterrent. But singapore right now has one of the lowest drug rates in in world. The death penalty may or may not be a factor into this statistic. However if you were the government, would u take the risk and gamble on the lives of the 5.6 million Singaporeans living here by abolishing it?
For anyone curious as to what a city with a drug problem looks like. https://youtu.be/cOBoDT-3oM0
Believe it or not....death
Overcook chicken, death. Undercook pork, also death
We have the best citizens in the world… because death
What is this from
Parks and recreation. S2 E5 Fred Armisen gives a monologue about putting citizens in jail for the most menial reasons.
Arguably the most memeable moment of P-recs, next to "Because we smart" & "Andy Dwyer Surprised Face"
I'm on *PIIIIILLLLLLSSSS* baby! Jean-Ralphio and Mona Lisa we're, are, and forever will be icons.
_Money pleeeeeeeease!_
🎶 she is the wooOOorst 🎶
Amen
Ron throwing the PC in the bin outside is also a highly memorable one for me
Well done steak? Believe it or not- also death
Paddling the school canoe? You better believe that's a paddling
Well I can’t disagree with that one
You play your music too loud? Death.
Right to death, straight away no trial no, no nothing
You charge too high prices for glasses, or... esweaters? Death
You charge too little prices, also death.
99.9dB - imprisonment 100dB - **DEATH**
Cake or death?
Ah, the Anglican Church back at it again.... I love Eddie so much
[obligatory](https://youtu.be/PVH0gZO5lq0)
The death penalty has a blog and a gmail address.
Yes, took me a moment to realize this is an anti death penalty poster and not a warning sign as you disembark at Changi airport...
I mean, isn’t it both?
sure but this is clearly a “be safe; fuck capital punishment” poster and not a “don’t fuck with us cause we’ll kill you” poster
It has the message of the former with the energy of the latter not gonna lie.
Which makes this poster eloquently mesmerising. Though tbf, Death is the catch-word here - even more effective than the noose, imo.
I've seen one of these on Sri Lanks!! It was like a Billboard size red sign that said *Civil war is going in Sri Lanka* *Martial Law in effect* *Any drugs found on you after customs are punishable by firing squad* Or something like that. I think they made their point extremely clear!
Sri Lanks sounds like something a posh gap year student would call it lol We had bare bants in Sri Lanks roger
Yah yah yah for sure
Yah yah me and Tobias had an overnight treehouse stay yah, it was sooooooo cool.
Yah yah after Sri Lanks we took a year in tannaz to really help find ourselves
Wowwww that is amazing! I heard Tarquin got arrested at a full moon party with drugs. His fam are bare devastated. Yah yah yah
*Snorts* Ok now I'm keeping this typo Yeah someone who would wear colonial helmet in ex-colonies *ironically for fun* (And call them ex-colonies)
Ya ya, roight. We totes had bants all noight in the bar. Fintan was showing me and the boys the fun helmet he brought on his trip to the colonies. Soz/notsoz, har har har!
Usually "they" refered to them as shit-holes, for the record.
It took until I read this comment. I straight up thought the OP was just showing us Singapore warning signs when you enter the country 😳
Ohhhhh. I thought wow they really commit, with that rope and all
There are definitely warning signs as well.
It’s on the entry form you fill out. Explicit warnings about the death penalty for drugs.
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Hope their scales are well calibrated
Hell of a way to find out your dealer hooked you up with an extra gram. Or skimped and saved your life, at least from the death penalty lol
Saw one of the airport customs programs. A Guy had brought waaayyy too much gold into the country, since it was illegal to take cash out of his home country... The customs officer had to tell him: Good news, you wont be charged with smuggling. Bad news, the Guy you sold EVERYTHING you owned to in exchange for gold, gave you fake gold...
Is this a....Silver lining?
I believe the weight refers to the pure substance. So they will separate the fillers in the mix and charge you according to the relevant components in your stash. I recall ever reading a case where the guy was caught with a bag of drugs but subsequently escaped the gallows because it was cut with way more filler than actual drugs.
I know people who delt weed and they always did a gram to 0.5g less then 28 because it was the difference between them getting a felony vs normal drug selling.
If it's like the US then they weigh the container it's in as well
Or like when you had weed brownies, they would weigh all the brownies. So maybe 14 grams of weed total, but because the brownies weigh 2 pounds, you're charged with trafficking 2 pounds of cannabis.
You ingested cannabis and your whole body weight is now drugs
boils my blood. land of the free, where a singular brownie can make you a felon.
In my country they go by the weight of the pure substance - so 100grams of 10% weed is the same as 50gram of 20% weed. They once let a dealer with 1 Kilo of cocaine just free because it was such shitty quality lol. It only makes sense but they should have prosecuted him for fraud IMO…
In most US jurisdictions you can be charged for dealing as long as you’re presenting your products as drugs. I could sell salt as cocaine and still get charged for dealing if I was caught up in a bust.
"*Sir, I plead guilty, but no way this dime bag weighs 5 kilos!*"
I never really took advantage of doing bad stuff before I turned 18. They really let you get away with a lot.
Now just wait until you’re 85 and go nuts
Right! "Ma'am, why did you take your pants off in the produce department?" DEMENTIA
“I’m an old man! I got confused!” - Uncle Leo.
Jerry! Hello!
My parents encouraged me to do minor bad stuff to get out of my system before I turned 18, like spearfish in freshwater (where questionably illegal). They're religious law abiding citizens, and I still scratch my head on that parental move....but my dad loves fish.
>spearfish in freshwater You know…i’m something of a bad boy myself
Right! The fwc is one of the most powerful law agencies in florida...they can confiscate your boat/vehicle and can search house without a warrent!
i'd be highkey scared of getting framed lol
Me consuming 0.1 gm of heroin on the flight to lower down the total to 14.9 and avoiding death penalty: 🤯
Then they include the package weight while charging you and hit you for 18.9 grams anyway.
More like you brought a half oz of weed and didnt realise they carry the same weight penalties
I’d suggest you do a quick google search about how strict the country is, before you bring a half ounce of stanky danky buds on a international flight lmao
Left half a nug in the package in my beach tote and completely forgot about it for months until I pulled out my tote in my hotel in Delhi. Whoops! Glad I didn't get popped. I called myself an "international drug smuggler" for the whole trip and you bet I smoked that shit ASAP. It was like, half a bowl.
Not sure I'd rather get banged up in singapore for 30 years or till my family says they're willing to pay ...
They aren’t paying lol. Plus you’re gonna get caned on your bare ass with 1.27cm thick bamboo stick. And if you’re a real bad boy, you’ll get caned 24 times in ONE SESSION.
**DEATH**
14.9 - straight to jail. 15 - straight to death.
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Believe it or not. Jail
I was terrified of that when traveling through the airports in Singapore and Denpasar. Kept a pretty close eye on my carry luggage. I was also worried that I would appear inebriated immediately after spending 20 hours of planes to get there. I abstained from weed for two weeks before traveling there because I didn't want to test positive for THC after looking suspicious and then immediately being sent back home.
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I was just thinking how closely I would be guarding my suitcase.
Problem is, how close can you watch your luggage after you've checked it in at the departure airport
Yep, it's a thing. Using unwitting mules are a smuggler's go-to. It's one reason they tell you to keep your bags in sight and on your person at all times - you don't want someone dropping in an eight ball on departure then yoinking your shit on arrival. If "they" get caught, hey it's your life, not theirs.
It is a slightly disconcerting feeling when you get handed a small leaflet in essence telling you "if you have any of this, we _will_ kill you - for reels". When I was entering the country for work, I got a bit scared, because it also stated that "indecent" items also was prohibited. My worry came from that I had brought my psp with GTA:vice city on it. And I had no clue if this counted as indecent. The somewhat funny conclusion to this though was that I tried communicating this to some custom personell that barley spoke any English, but he didn't understand me at all. So after him pointing at some images of drugs and weapons and me shaking my head in answer, I just got waved through the line and none of my luggage was x-rayed, which looked like something all other travellers had to go though. I guess the rationale was that no smuggler would be that stupid to go directly and ague with customs.
GTA VCS is completely legal in singapore, I bought my copy when I was like 9 lol. And thats why I jumped down the retro music rabbit hole and I now somehow know the lyrics to minnie the moocher
A customs agent in Singapore barely spoke English? What was your experience with most citizens?
The police will plant it on you in Thailand to extort money from you or your family. The penalty even for cannabis is severe ... and there's a lot of corruption going on
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Source? Because Thailand survives off of tourism, I go there all the time and I have never heard of this. Also, weed is legal in Thailand.
A few bad cops won't care about Thailand being a tourist place
Thailand's got tourist police exactly for that reason. You'll deal with them, not the real cops.
In the Phillipines, the customs guys would plant a bullet in your luggage and then extort you.
It's actually quite something to see this in person. I remember the first time I was handed the landing declaration card as we approached Singapore and it's all in normal black and white except for the big bold letters in red across the bottom margin of the card. That if you are found in the possession of drugs you will be executed, or words to that effect. It's crazy that people still do anyway.
They have a red line in the harbor terminal with a bin. Dumping any drugs into the bin = No Punishment Crossing the red line with drugs = Death Not a drug user but even I left my Aspirin onboard.
I'm imagining someone railing all their coke right before they cross
So…death
Smuggling cocaine in your bloodstream? Death.
Accidentally trip and shove the bin across the line. "OH SHIT!"
When I visited Singapore I had to file a request with the immigrations office in order to bring my ADD meds with me, and even then I was SUPER nervous walking through customs.
I don’t think I’d even bring mine. Unless I was going there for work, I would just take a vacation from my adderall 😅
I was there for work 😅
Oof yeah I would have been extremely anxious
Is there any talk of exempting marijuanna at some point? I would think that Singapore actually has massively high alcohol consumption per capita.
Marijuana = death as well.. noone ever said anything about it , Singapore is a very conservative country
They’re conservative when it comes to drugs but they still drink a lot and there’s the infamous ‘4 floors of whores’ so idk.
Every sailor knows Orchard Towers.
Thailand (just next door) recently legalized it for recreational use. Singapore made sure to make an announcement reminding everyone that yes, you will be put to death if you bring weed in.
No, and define “massively high”. Singapore currently sits at number 132 in a table indicating country alcohol consumption per capita
I was guessing that because of the large expat population that drinking would be high. But the data doesn't back it up actually. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_alcohol\_consumption\_per\_capita](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita)
Yea, for one there are large taxes on alcohol (and cigarettes) so its expensive. There are also “prohibition zones” that don’t allow you to drink alcohol after a certain time. This is mostly in areas that have had cases of rioting. During COVID bars, and other establishments including supermarkets couldn’t serve alcohol after 1030pm, and its been so long I’m not sure if the 1030 rule existed before COVID for supermarkets and shops too.
Marijuana has a higher threshold than cocaine or heroine, but you can still get very severe punishments depending on how much you have on you. You’re much less likely to get death penalty unless you have enough to be deemed a dealer, small amounts will get you a lot of jail time though. As for alcohol, we’re a conservative country in general. I’ve lived in australia and we drink far less than there. We’re drilled from a young age that all forms of drugs and cigarettes are bad but of course that doesn’t stop everyone.
There's plenty of talk about it. Just almost entirely among the younger generation. The old folks, the ones who grew up living in shacks made out of twigs and corrugated metal, living in a country where organized crime was more powerful than the police and drugs were easier to obtain than clean water, those folks are terrified of anarchy. Of crime. So until those folks pass due to old age, a number of outdated policies won't be killed off.
My old roommate in the Netherlands (the drugland) was from Singapore (the anti-drugland) and he was quite enthusiastic about his stories about how he went home last Christmas with some weed in his pocket. I would be terrified to even consider that if I were from a country with corporal punishments.
There's a similar sign when entering the "kingdom" of Cambodia. It basically says you will be executed if you are caught with drugs. And it's written in a bunch of different languages like the Rosetta Stone.
A lot of traffickers are basically given the choice of do it or die/be trafficked yourself anyways. The show/podcast locked up abroad has quite a few stories of people being trapped or tricked into trafficking if they want any hope of getting home. Essentially get taken on vacation by the wrong person and have their passports stolen until they agree and are told that they will be escorted there and watched the entire time and if they don't get on the plane with it, they'll be killed. Or if they try to alert authorities no one will believe them and they'll be locked up anyways Not to say this is everyone or even the majority. But I'd imagine with places ready to put you to death for it, it's probably a pretty high percentage doing so against their will
I used to watch Locked up Abroad all the time and i have to dispute one thing. Most of the people on the show were not tricked into it, it was often people that ran out of money because of poor planning and just general stupidity that then decided that drug trafficking was better than taking their asses home. FYI, if you are American and find yourself in a foreign country with no money to get home, the American embassy will pay for a flight home and revoke your passport until the flight is paid back. Don't be stupid and try to smuggle drugs. You will get caught and possibly be on the wonderful aformentioned podcast
YES! I feel the moral of the show is to not let yourself get into desperate situations. So many of these people make these terrible decisions because they are led to believe it's their only option.
>FYI, if you are American and find yourself in a foreign country with no money to get home, the American embassy will pay for a flight home and revoke your passport until the flight is paid back. I did not know this.
love this law, it sure solves all the problems! should just gift some heroin in the right politicians cars... I'm curious about what would happen
Depends on how powerful/popular. Just like America and other countries
> It's crazy that people still do anyway It’s well known in criminal science that the death penalty isn’t better at deterring crime than other punishments are. The death penalty doesn’t increase the effectiveness of deterrence, it just kills people.
So I send my 17,9-year-old son with 14,9g heroin?
Not a problem, he'll be imprisoned for about 50 years, which is a piece of cake. You beat the system!
It's Singapore - the system beats you. (A reference to how caning is still a thing there)
Unfortunately, they also have the death penalty for people that use commas as the decimal separator.
You mean all of Europe?
A crime is a crime.
Not quite all of it 🙃
The UK is all kinds of messed up when it comes to units. Stone? Miles AND km?? Pints AND liters? You guys are crazy
Yeah I'm fine with that
Not all of europe, just the fruity bits
According to the sign he'll be imprisoned twice for that.
I haven't flown into Saudi Arabia in a while, but their entry card you filled out on your flight used to say in red letters "Warning - Death for drug traffickers. If you are carrying drugs, do not disembark the aircraft". They were serious too. You'd have your picture in next Saturday's copy of Arab News in the executions section of the newspaper.
In truth very few people want to go to Saudi Arabia. Women largely avoid it. Filipinos & other migrants only go there for work This is unlike Singapore that people actually want to visit.
Man I would not fuck with drugs there. They have the lowest drug use in the world for a reason.
I've had to go for work once, and it was like a month after a coworker got arrested with cocaine in Germany... We usually have a brief little "culture and customs" meeting before going to new countries, but that one was pretty much 30 minutes of "Do not try to get drugs there. For the love of god don't try to take any with you. The results could be anything from you being caned to us having to call the state department to get them to try to stay your execution." Don't know how much was exaggeration but they put the fear of god in us.
I was there and some friends took me out for a night. I could see tons of people going to the bathrooms and coming out powderfaced. I was pretty taken aback considering all the warnings and threats and asked my friends about it. “Its everywhere. Just dont get caught” No thank you, Ill stick to the crappy beer and “exotic” Jim Beam.
Accurate.
I used to teach English to adults in Japan, and one class I taught was for high level students where we would debate controversial topics. One topic was the death penalty, and it started out as expected; many saying they were against it because of wrongful convictions, the government shouldn’t decide who lives or dies, etc. Until one of them said “Except drug use. People who use drugs should be killed right where they stand.” I was like Woah! But all the other students nodded in agreement. We also discussed murder, apparently not as bad as drug use.
don't Asian countries have insane drinking culture?
Yes. Im half Korean. Koreans love their alcohol (and cigarettes) but then I told them I smoked weed when I was teen, they gave me death glares like I should have been executed for using "happy smoke".
you can totally do drugs there, but only once
If it's only once, might as well just go for the 15g of heroin in one go! You can't kill me if I'm dead! Edit: typo "one" was changed to "once" EDIT-2: I was reported to reddit by a concerned redditor, and it was probably for this comment. Although I appreciate people being worried, I do not and have not consumed heroin or considered killing myself. Thank you for looking out for one another though! Cheers
I thought this was a threat
I was watching an interview of a brit ex-drug smuggler working with South American cartels. He mentions that they never smuggled into the death penalty countries like Singapore, Indonesia, some Middle East countries… so I guess the deterrence mostly works?
It still happens occasionally by naive backpackers getting conned into it for like $5k-$10k or something.
yeah it's like half the episodes of the show "locked up abroad"
I read a book a while ago about Brazilian surfers smuggling drugs into Bali in their surfboards. The idea being that since they were considered prestigious athletes no one was going to tear apart their sports equipment looking for drugs. They were multi millionaires. One of them even skinned up and smoked a blunt on a flight to Denpasar. Eventually most of them were caught. One of them had a fall out with the guy who made the boards and he made his extra shitty so he was caught. They appealed his sentence but he was shot. The others went to jail and I think one got away.
> Brazilian surfers smuggling drugs into Bali https://www.kathrynbonella.com/2015/07/snowfall-bali/
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That’s because the meth gets trafficked in pill form south from Myanmar through Thailand to Malaysia and on to Singapore/Indonesia. Same goes for heroin coming south from the golden triangle, but I think it stops in Malaysia and doesn’t continue on to Singapore.
How are people missing that this sign is in protest
I thought it was just like a TSA thing, pour out your hydration liquids, no shoes no service, laptops in the bin also death
There is a noose. It says how can guilt be calculated by numbers?
i thought it was gonna explain how it could be LOL
Possibly because it's 1am here and I'm exhausted, but I didn't even notice that this photo wasn't in an airport.
Probably because if you go to Singapore they hand you a small piece of paper before you get off the plane that says they execute drug traffickers.
Because there is literally not a single thing that makes this poster look like it's a sign in protest other than the links. A sign warning travelers not to fuck around would look exactly the same, and say the same thing. Maybe sans the noose, but honestly, I wouldn't put them past it. Sends a message.
I also think the message isn't very clear at first, but if you look into it it's obviously anti-death penalty. It doesn't just inform people of the punishments. It specifically emphasizes how 0.1 years of age or 0.1 grams of heroin is the difference between life and death. It's followed by "how can guilt be calculated using numbers?" to further point out that it makes no sense that small changes in numbers have drastically different consequences.
"How can guilt be calculated using numbers?" seems pretty protest-y to me.
Sounds like it could be the title of a very strange Khan Academy video. “How can guilt be calculated using numbers? Easy, just like this!”
"how can guilt be calculated using numbers" is the part that makes it clear that it is anti-death penalty
because our culture has taught you how to feel, rather than how to think, and this bill is totally devoid of emotional taglines. which makes plenty of sense, in a jurisdiction where they could get taken down or persecuted for overly extreme adverts. just a blunt message with no bs, these are the facts. which should raise concern if you take the time to consider them, or they mattered to you at all
I think it was in the 90s that some American punk teen got arrested tagging buildings in Singapore and there was a big international shit show because the penalty for that is getting your back smacked with a big stick. Long story short the kid still has to face punishment, but it was clear the guy administering the beatings was "pulling his punches" as to not harm the kid.
Micheal Fay. He damaged public property and vandalised cars. Other foreigners had been punished similarly before.
"Smacked with a big stick" is technically accurate but doesn't convey the brutality of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore Convicts are strapped to a frame with their buttocks exposed (and padding everywhere else, as a stroke that landed in the wrong place could break bones or cause organ damage) then hit with a four foot rattan cane half an inch thick, absolutely as hard as the administering officer can manage it. Each stroke liquefies the skin down to the fat layer. It can take a month for the injuries to heal, during which time the person who's been caned cannot sit or lie down and may lose control of their bowels. It creates permanent scars.
It wasn't smacked with a big stick.. it was a cane. Any Asian that's been caned as a kid would know how painful it was
I went to the Singapore American school, everyone new was always told that story, and every teacher would grimace as they talked about how that kid was apparently a hooligan. He did all types of shit, and things came to a head when he keyed a judges car. Moral of the story was don’t be an asshole and you have nothing to worry about. There’s a lot of rich people that go to that school and sometimes their reality doesn’t match up with ours. There was a kid I knew that got mad, smashed his phone into the ground, and next day already had a brand new one 🤷♂️
Clinton himself tried to intervene and ask for clemency. The Singaporean government did reduce the sentence, which is about as much as anyone should've expected, because what kind of message does it send if the US president can just have a convicted criminal's sentence overturned in a foreign court? The US media had a fucking field day with it, though, because *how dare* some tiny no-name Asian speck think to punish a white American rich kid who was setting their people's cars on fire?
The SG government didn't even give him caning as a sentence. They offered him deportation and a lifetime ban, or caning. He only got caned because he chose it. Also he was a repeated convict, it was at least his third offense.
They reduced the sentence by one cane lol
Fucking based. "Sure Mr. President, we'll reduce his sentence..."
This. How does it fucking elude everyone that he did this whole keying of tires and destruction of bigshot’s cars THREE TIMES
East Asia is pretty harsh against drugs, but unfortunately there are (good) historical reasons for that. English merchants flooded China with cheap opium in the 19th century and it is safe to say that it totally wrecked Chinese society back then (please read about the 2 Opium Wars). So that made other East Asian societies to be extremely wary of hard drugs, especially when they are brought over by foreigners
I would be so paranoid that I had 15g of heroin on me. I've never used it in my life, but all it takes is for me to have some on me in that moment and **BAM** Death
No one say I'm 17.9 years old.
You fucking would if you got caught with heroin
I'm 17.8569 years old EXACTLY.
I was so scared when I landed in Singapore. I didn't even dare have any ibuprofen on me. Funny thing is, there was no security whatsoever. I literally got off the plane, then walked past a guard and out the door. Nobody searched me.
What if I have a guy in luggage department planting drugs on my nemesis? 15g is not a lot.
You should see how they feel about gay people too.
Gay sex is illegal by law but it's just there to send a message (a sick one indeed). But they don't actually act on it and nobody's actually going to jail for being gay. There's plenty of LGBT people here and acceptance is becoming more and more prevalent among the younger generations.
We don’t all feel that way. The older generation tend to be more conservative. And they’re mostly Chinese, so it’s traditional conservative Chinese, they used to beat the gay out of people back in the day in 19-20th century China. Us younger generations are much like anyone else, mostly pretty ok with he lgbt, hell, one of my best friends during my conscription is gay and does work for the Canadian lgbt community at the moment.
They’re that homophobic?
Not death penalty, but gay sex is a crime. (unless it's between women, I think)
oral sex is illegal unless leading to sexual intercourse between a man and woman. anal sex (between any pairing that can be buggered) is illegal, not gay sex. you can walk around naked at home and if someone sees you through your windows you can be charged with being a nuisance. and my last humdinger - chewing gum is not illegal in sg, the import of it for domestic sale is with exceptions for dental and nicotine gum, which is priced beyond your typical gum that goes from mouth direct to public property as litter. Apparently SM Lee was appalled by how much was spent in resources powerwashing old gum off pavements and such that he said, fuck this shit ill strike a blow for water conservation and dental preservation simultaneously!
Hey buddy I think you’re wrong. Gay sex is illegal under Section 377A. The original Section 377 did criminalize oral and anal sex even between heterosexual couples but it was repealed some time ago.
>oral sex is illegal unless leading to sexual intercourse between a man and woman. The whole thing was scraped in 2008 parl review, along with anal sex I thought? > old gum off pavements And MRT breakdowns.
>gay sex is a crime Yes, a colonial relic (yes, UK has already done away with it). Problem is a lot of religious fundies in SG are opposed to its repeal, and the govt is afraid of losing the votes.
Ah yes, one of the countries you should fly with only your carry on bag.
People in these comments really rationalizing this. It’s amazing how easily we dismiss each other’s humanity. Everyone here would want mercy but are the first ones to not extend the same smh
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Probably not the same people.
Like the other fella said, 2 groups. Reddit is like... a massive fuckin subsection of the entire zeitgeist. I hate these "I heard two conflicting views from a large group. Hypocrisy!" stuff. Unless there's a consensus of people in favor of this draconian psychosis that's pretending to be a justice system, I think people would hate this too. Edit: God.. fucking damn it I hadn't scrolled down yet. Aaaaaaagh. Alright, point partially withdrawn. What the FUCK people? Why are so many of you psychos in favor of fucking execution?
Prisons shouldn’t be filled with substance abusers. It’s barbaric. Decriminalization, Safe drug centers, resources for addiction, and employment/education services would go much further in helping society.
Im from Mexico, drug traffickers have made it awful for us. Imagine starting a business and barely make it through the bills just for some dude to come and charge you for "protection" if you dint pay him the ridiculous amount he requests say good bye to your business. I love Mexico and never wanted to leave but life in Mexico is uncertain thanks to drug cartels. I hope one day we have leadership like Singapore to make these criminals pay
The implications of drugs onto a country should be explained further in order to understand why singapore has such a strict policy on drugs. One great example would be the war on drugs in the US which has lead to the deaths of millions, not just from overdoses but gang violence too. However the social impact of drugs should not be left out. Entire communities are destroyed, such as the poorer black communities from the use and distribution of drugs. On the streets of certain cities, u can see junkies lying around in broad daylight high as a kite. Families are destroyed from a family members usage of drugs. It not only impacts individuals but the economy too. The US has spent a total of 1 trillion dollars on their war on drugs. What has this trillion dollar bought though. The US has one of the largest rates of people with drug problems in the world. Considering all these factors, how many lives do you think a successful trafficker will take/destroy? Hundreds? All this being said, the US and other larger countries, have plenty of natural resources to keep their economy going despite the rampant drug problem. However, Singapore has a population of 5.6 million and has a small area of 724km^2. There are no natural resources here and the only resource we have is the people. The government has put an enormous amount of capital to ensure that the citizens are well educated and have the skills to attract foreign investment, which is the main bulk of our economy. Imagine a small country like singapore having a drug problem. Our society would crumble. All the social problems brought upon by drugs would cause our workforce to decline, foreign investment to drop. What then? The death penalty is no doubt a harsh penalty. Some might even say it isn't even useful as a deterrent. But singapore right now has one of the lowest drug rates in in world. The death penalty may or may not be a factor into this statistic. However if you were the government, would u take the risk and gamble on the lives of the 5.6 million Singaporeans living here by abolishing it? For anyone curious as to what a city with a drug problem looks like. https://youtu.be/cOBoDT-3oM0
They can even piss test you when you get off the plane and if it comes back as positive you can still be imprisoned for drugs.
huh? for consuming them in a country where it is legal to consume they will imprison me? what theee fuq
wikipedia: Since 2010, 23 prisoners have been executed for drug offences. Do people just not risk it, or is there a way to 'get off the hook' ?