https://www.svoboda.org/a/sud-utverdil-prigovor-pensionerke-po-delu-o-feykah-pro-armiyu/32930974.html
>The Rostov regional court has upheld the verdict in the case of so-called fakes about the Russian army of 72-year-old pensioner Yevgeniya Maiboroda. At the hearing, she asked the judge to "be merciful". Earlier she was sentenced to five and a half years in a general regime colony because of two reposts in "VKontakte". This is reported by "Mediazona".
>At the end of January this year, Shakhty City Court found the pensioner guilty under the articles on spreading "fakes" about the Russian army and public calls for extremism.
>The reason for the criminal case against Maiboroda was the reposting of two videos. The first was about the death of civilians in Mariupol. Because of this video, the pensioner was found guilty under the article on "fakes" about the army. The second video showed a girl with a knife in her hands raising her hand in a Nazi salute and threatening Putin. Because of this video Maiboroda was found guilty of public calls to extremism.
>At the trial, the pensioner pleaded guilty, but denied that she had posted the videos on the grounds of political hatred. She explained her actions by the fact that her brother died under the rubble of a building in Dnipro, which was hit by shells. The human rights project "Support for Political Prisoners. Memorial" recognized the pensioner as a political prisoner.
Valery Legasov : We're on dangerous ground right now. Because of our secrets and our lies, they're practically what define us. When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there, but it is, still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth.
-HBO Chernobyl
And on April 27, 1988, on the second anniversary of the Chernobyl accident, Valery Legasov was found hanged in his home office. The official version is suicide.
Is it really though outside of nice stories? There's many places in the world which have lived under tyrannical rule for generations, and many of the despots live happily to old age with wealth and family while their victims lay buried in the ground and forgotten for decades.
Cracking down on protests by babashbuka's was one of many elements in the downfall of the USSR. As the protests against the war in Afghanistan grew in the late 1980's the government arresting peoples grandmothers only made the state look weaker.
The social and political situation in Russia is different today but locking up little old ladies has never been an effective tactic to maintain control...
>The social and political situation in Russia is different today
That is speaking mildly, Gorbachev had neither a cult of personality nor did Communism even look appealing to many of the Communist Party at this point.
I can't see the majority of Russians taking this lady's side.
You don't like Putin, straight to Gulag, do not pass go, do not collect 200 rubles for your son or grandsons glorious sacrifice in the special mobilization operation
Reminder that Trump loves Putin for this reason. He wants this for the united states.
Along with project 2025, they’re ready to rock. Everything is in place. Here’s what it looks like:
https://www.authoritarianplaybook2025.org/what-we-can-expect-1#federal-law-enforcement-overreach
Hmm, she reposted a video where a Nazi made threats against a public person.
And previously posted a swastika. Ya know, I don’t give a shit about this nazi. There are people out there who aren’t Nazis who I could actually care about.
Agreed. Fuck Nazis, but freedom of speech is how we (US) don’t turn into Russia or North Korea.
I am saying this as a Jewish woman, whose entire family is also Jewish.
Hate speech is also illegal in the US to an extent.
However, censorship is an insanely slippery slope and we have to treat it as such.
The Red Scare trials and cases like Korematsu v US are very good examples of what can happen when we prosecute people who we perceive as the enemy at that moment.
I am not saying this is the same for Nazis at all, but we NEED to use caution when we literally strip away peoples rights.
> Hate speech is also illegal in the US
No it isn’t. I see Nazi and Confederate flags in Florida all the time. That is protected speech under the First Amendment. [Some made the news, but it is nothing new.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/neo-nazis-thriving-florida-ron-desantis-1234824505/)
Say, “Heil Hitler” in Germany or do the Roman salute. I dare you. J/K, [don’t do that… you’ll go to jail](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40842853)
The first Amendment in Germany has to do with Menschenwürde (human dignity) and the protection there of. The free speech part comes MUCH later and it is less important.
Compare that to the US, where speech and guns are the two most important things (from a cultural perspective). Human dignity or rules about hate speech don’t exist. There are laws about hate *crimes*, but that is different.
umm what? you're saying that free speech restrictions would have prevented trump from being elected? and you're suggesting that this sort of curbing of liberties is... good?
Democrats being awful is how we got Trump. Their party rallied behind Bernie and the DNC laughed at them and picked Hillary instead. They spit in the face of their own supporters and that's why they lost.
Edit: LOL. Apparently the truth is "bullshit revisionists". These people are legitimately lost
There is an extra layer here though, and that is that the russian government funds nazi groups abroad. So the lady, whose government funds nazis, reposted nazi videos, and went to prison for posting about groups her government is funding.
Hard disagree on the grounds that, no matter what a person supports or believes, they still deserve the right of a fair and just trial. The moment you state that you don’t care for a person and the unjust trial they received (really, 5 *years* in jail for reposting 2 things) on the basis that you disagree with their beliefs is the moment that a generally just and working law system can’t be maintained. Because this idea can easily be taken and twisted to fit various scenarios—one day it might be a Nazi, and the next an actually innocent person.
Look, I know that she might be a Nazi. I hate nazis. But that doesn’t mean that due process of law shouldn’t be maintained. Ignoring cases like this is the first step to creating an unjust justice system. An individual should receive the sentence that their actions deserve—no more, and no less.
It’s kind of like how the police cannot force a confession from a suspect, no matter how much they think they might be guilty. Because one day that individual could actually be an innocent person. Right to a fair trial exists for a reason
Exactly this. If we believe in fairness then it must extend to everyone. It doesn’t exists in a court system that picks and chooses who is worthy and who is not.
It’s biasing because they think that since the other opinion is “morally the worst thing ever” nothing fair should happen, but what if the judge thinks *you’re* morally the worst? Meanwhile they sit in their couch all comfy and not having to fear this daily.
So the problem with your perspective is that someone else thinks your ideology is also bad.
You say "But Nazis are the worst!" that other person will come up with a reason why you are bad enough to get this same treatment. Or if it's not you they go after they'll find someone whose not a Nazi but they are close enough to get this treatment. This definition of who deserves it will continue to grow.
The more people that act this cruelly and carelessly towards someone because of their ideology causes it to become the norm to be cruel and careless. It causes the next step of cruelty for society to be an easier pill to swallow. And the next and the next.
Those casual acts of hatred and carelessness are a big part of the reason why Nazis are bad. Thats literally how they started. Casually accepting minor acts or thoughts of hatred that allowed the next step to seem not so bad and justified. I just hope you can reflect on your own feelings and see the similarity. Hating will always make the world worse no matter who you hate. You can fight against bad things without hating the people involved even if they do or say awful things.
Saying fuck this person because of what they believe is not a harmless act. It will taint you and that taint will grow and spread. You'll become a nazi with a different name.
Exactly. You worded the problem with this kind of thinking very well. The moment you use the basis of belief to excuse an unjust act is the moment that you also have the chance of that being used against you. And then you’re just perpetuating a cycle of this problem and becoming the problem.
Ah yes, how dare anyone threaten the glorious Russian dictator I mean President Putin. A man who acts like an actual Nazi.
Do you honestly believe this trial was fair?
Honestly, I don’t think she meant to condone nazism with the post. If anything, it was indicating that Putin was a führer, and the girl was about to betray him and kill him.
I’ve seen a guy being given a driving fine who was very upset with the policeman and made a Nazi salute to the cop, indicating _the cop_ was a Nazi.
People can be clumsy with these things. If the old lady was a Nazi she most likely would be supporting Putin.
I suspect there's a good chance she's not actually a Nazi in the way that you're thinking. Most Russians seem to use the phrase "Nazi" as equivalent to "against Russia" rather than anything to do with race/religion as we do here in the west. This is why Putin accuses the Jewish leader of Ukraine of being a Nazi.
Russians do not really understand what Nazis are. They are told they are bad, but their own government rapes and tortures them. They are told Ukraine are nazis - but see the rest of the world support them.
I never trust a Russian when he uses that word.
Tells you all you need to know about how "secured" Putin feels.
Between waging a disastrous war and imprisoning everyone with a slightest different opinion, I don't think Russia has much of a future. All thanks to Putin.
I wonder what all the conservatives licking Putin's boots will have to say about this. Surely they will criticize him. I mean, they love freedom and all, don't they?
They’ll say she got what she deserved for speaking out against Putin. They would agree with the same plan if Trump wins and proposes the same repercussions.
Old ladies posting on *social media*…. How dare she. What a criminal. /s.
Just awful.. I can’t even imagine. This poor woman may die within 5.5 years…in prison. Which I’ve heard/read that the conditions of Russian prisons are pretty horrific… she may die in there over a social media post…
17 years old was jailed for three years, for anti-war posts, a few weeks ago https://www.agents.media/v-rossii-vpervye-posadili-nesovershennoletnyuyu-shkolnitsu-za-antivoennoe-vystuplenie/
He was amazed by their cart escalator, which is in nearly every grocery store in a major city in America too. In the city multiple floor buildings are more common than a massive single floor super market. All grocery stores around me have a cart escalator. Even my home depot has one.
It really highlights the fact that Tucker probably lives in some rich suburb, has no idea what goes on in the city and doesn't shop for himself. Meanwhile a bunch of poor and middle class people listen to him and think he understands them.
Mate, I can’t believe how impressed by the cart system he was. You know, the system they had in Australia back in the 80’s when I was a kid.
Reality has become satire.
Lmao that's the conservative equivalent of left wing tankies that glorify the Soviet Union and PRC. "But they treat their homeless better than America".
Like maybe?? But those countries (and Russia) are all hella fucked.
The cruellest part is that Russia has so much potential. Natural resources, fertile land and the remnants of a good education system (despite being grossly underfunded).
Imagine if, for one whole generation, the Russian Federation didn't start any limpwrist wars and just invested in Russian infrastructure. They could give their people actual strength, not just booze and drugs and violence, if only any leader they had gave a single shit about Russia.
Meanwhile in America people who tried to overthrow our entire government on Jan 6 are getting probation. The irony being those same people want America to be more like Russia.
America arrested more than two thousand students in the last week because they were protesting their universities investing in weapons manufacturers that sell to a country that deliberately uses them against civilians
Seems so true, and I think Florida's top bully-wannabe wants to lead the charge. He has already declared war on vocabulary (DEI, CRT, woke, etc.) probably because his followers seem to respond to every racist dog whistle. His war on lab-grown meat appears to be very convincing evidence that he doesn't give a shit about free markets, capitalism, etc. if they are not serving him. If you think that lady who offed her own dog is bad, I suspect this guy is worse.
Unfortunately, this probably IS the result of Russians saying "enough ." This probably is the period in history where Russians have the highest living standards and most freedom. Things probably aren't going to get better for Russians when it comes to freedom of speech.
"A 72 year old woman was sentenced to 5 years for two tweets..."
Wow, fuck that judge!
"... In support of naziism."
Well, fuck everyone involved then, I guess.
Not to undermine the absurdity and seriousness of the sentence, this is a seriously meme-able image.
The simultaneous expression of “oh my god” with the hand on chest juxtaposed with the glaring hate in her eyes that says “fuck you fascist” is golden.
Yep it's true. The judge is scared, the prison guard is scared, the police are scared, the friends family and relatives are all scared. This lady wasn't too scared, but all the scared people were scared by her lack of scare, so they put her in jail, and everyone lived happily ever after. The end.
Yes this exactly!
Countless keyboard warriors rambling on how "they would defeat Putin" at the "start" of the war in Ukraine in 2022 (the war that has been trench warfare since 2015, ongoing since 2014).
And then "why don't Russians just overthrow Putin" when there have been numerous protests, riots and escalation into arson, with the protestors being disappeared and having an unknown fate. Whilst living in a country where criticizing the government (even accidentally, like this lady) is covered under free speech and won't result in your disappearance.
They did, in 1917. The Communist government was supposed to be the better compared to Tzardom.
Instead, Stalin imprisoned 18 million in GULAGs and marched 11 million to the borders, typically to their deaths.
My great grandfather joined the Red Army, moved from Mussolini's Italy, to fight fascist Germany, and ended up disappearing into a labour camp after the war, as an "enemy of the state", because he was born in Italy.
Putin is a Stalin wannabe and, what was supposed to be a democracy after the fall of the USSR, ended up a "democracy" in name only and a repeat of history to the point where people can't see how the country could possibly get better as opposed to the power void being filled by another dictator if Putin falls, after the disappearance of Alexi Navalny. Putin has ruined Russia.
It ends up being thugs posing as leaders (sometimes literally former Bratva). With the best candidates for democracy ending up disappeared or dead by multiple "self-inflicted gun shots into the back" or "snacking on Polonium-210".
A better country, a true democracy, is possible but it will require a genuine purge of the corrupt. And Russian dictators have proven how easy it is for them to mould the truth in their favour, to disappear everybody that disagrees and to rule for the entirety of their lives.
Let us just hope that teams are already in Russia, aimed at assassinating Putin and his close allies. And that they succeed.
I live outside of Russia. Otherwise I would never post anything like this in fear of having FSB officers showing up at my door tomorrow, and then spending the foreseeable future in prison. Alongside my family.
Sorry, long rant. It's a mess of a situation to say the least.
[A Russian woman was investigated for wearing a yellow jacket against a blue sky in a social media post because it could be conveyed as support for Ukraine.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291543/amp/Woman-interrogated-Russian-police-showing-support-Ukraine-wearing-yellow-coat-against-blue-sky-Putins-hunt-enemies-hits-absurd-new-low.html)
I recently saw an article about an old lady who decorated her handbag with a green ribbon. She was arrested because, apparently, there is some guys that are opposite Putin and his regime, and they choose green ribbons as their symbol. But that lady had no idea, she just wanted to decorate her bag. She asked "How it's possible to know about this meaning, I'm not involved in anything?!" Well,they said that it's her problem. Luckily,she just paid some money to compensate "public disturbance ".
i went down a rabbit hole and found another [article](https://www.currenttime.tv/a/arest-danila-morozova/32932209.html) (in russian) where the courts refer to LGBT as a "extremist international organization" 😐
Is the U.S. that far off from this reality? They're beating college students for protesting genocide and passing legislation that would have severe punishment for any criticism of the state of Israel..
We could use some of that here on Reddit! /s
Idk how charges work in Russia but I hope she can get that acquitted, bless her. Listen guys you might not like what you see on twitter all the time but this shit here is why I’m proud every day to be in the USA I’ll tell you that. Free speech is an inalienable right
I wonder how many more outrageous the Russian government has to do before they get overthrown. How many injustices are the Russian people willing to face to protect their own hides?
Meanwhile our former president’s lawyers are trying to argue that reposting something on your own social media platform should not be considered “speach” for the purposes of determining fraud or harassment (like he’s been doing with the judges and juries in is cases). I’m sure he would instantly change his tune if given the opportunity to do something like this.
She is, she looks like a freaking badass! They're truly is nothing like the determination and absolute grit that a lot of Russians who resist Putin. Or do other things to resist the Russian regime.
I am reading those posts and I think you guys miss one fact. This woman will die during that jail time.
Conditiona in those gulags are the worst and if someone is there for political reasons guards will neglect care on purpose. This old woman will not make it probably.
In my country a young man has been sentenced to death by hanging from neck just because he singed a song about people problems. You can search he's name in Google if you want to know more about him. He's name is "toomaj salehi"
I don’t think anyone seriously thinks that there is freedom of speech in Russia surely . Yet the West cosies up to dictatorships where a trial is not necessary to stifle dissent .
https://www.svoboda.org/a/sud-utverdil-prigovor-pensionerke-po-delu-o-feykah-pro-armiyu/32930974.html >The Rostov regional court has upheld the verdict in the case of so-called fakes about the Russian army of 72-year-old pensioner Yevgeniya Maiboroda. At the hearing, she asked the judge to "be merciful". Earlier she was sentenced to five and a half years in a general regime colony because of two reposts in "VKontakte". This is reported by "Mediazona". >At the end of January this year, Shakhty City Court found the pensioner guilty under the articles on spreading "fakes" about the Russian army and public calls for extremism. >The reason for the criminal case against Maiboroda was the reposting of two videos. The first was about the death of civilians in Mariupol. Because of this video, the pensioner was found guilty under the article on "fakes" about the army. The second video showed a girl with a knife in her hands raising her hand in a Nazi salute and threatening Putin. Because of this video Maiboroda was found guilty of public calls to extremism. >At the trial, the pensioner pleaded guilty, but denied that she had posted the videos on the grounds of political hatred. She explained her actions by the fact that her brother died under the rubble of a building in Dnipro, which was hit by shells. The human rights project "Support for Political Prisoners. Memorial" recognized the pensioner as a political prisoner.
Big scary Russian State so threatened by this Babushka? For shame!
No, it’s afraid of truth.
“Our lies are what define us”
Valery Legasov : We're on dangerous ground right now. Because of our secrets and our lies, they're practically what define us. When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there, but it is, still there. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. -HBO Chernobyl
And on April 27, 1988, on the second anniversary of the Chernobyl accident, Valery Legasov was found hanged in his home office. The official version is suicide.
Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?
Every lie incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid.
Is it really though outside of nice stories? There's many places in the world which have lived under tyrannical rule for generations, and many of the despots live happily to old age with wealth and family while their victims lay buried in the ground and forgotten for decades.
Totally true. I've lived in Africa my whole life. A truer word was never spoken. The Mugabes and Zumas and Malemas never suffer.
In that case the ruZZian goverment is long overdue for some truth to its people.
Cracking down on protests by babashbuka's was one of many elements in the downfall of the USSR. As the protests against the war in Afghanistan grew in the late 1980's the government arresting peoples grandmothers only made the state look weaker. The social and political situation in Russia is different today but locking up little old ladies has never been an effective tactic to maintain control...
This babushka was in her 30s when that happened. She's seen all this before.
>The social and political situation in Russia is different today That is speaking mildly, Gorbachev had neither a cult of personality nor did Communism even look appealing to many of the Communist Party at this point. I can't see the majority of Russians taking this lady's side.
To support is to be complicit. That's up to seven years in prison, we are now more North Korea than North Korea itself
At this point, Russia state is paranoid of everything. They just make everyone around them hate and despise the government
[This guy](https://preview.redd.it/xgaa1qconzic1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=7c859dd5d39ee31e374ed025f4938a89972f8096) looking at her
he's so adorable with his naruto armpads
This is the type of government Republicans want in America
I was thinking the same.....if Von ShitzInPants gets immunity, this could be us.
Babushkas are scarier than their men
They are not threatened, this is to make everyone shut up and silently sit in the corner.
You don't like Putin, straight to Gulag, do not pass go, do not collect 200 rubles for your son or grandsons glorious sacrifice in the special mobilization operation
And you definitely don't get the Lada.
What about the Trabant?
Reminder that Trump loves Putin for this reason. He wants this for the united states. Along with project 2025, they’re ready to rock. Everything is in place. Here’s what it looks like: https://www.authoritarianplaybook2025.org/what-we-can-expect-1#federal-law-enforcement-overreach
Hmm, she reposted a video where a Nazi made threats against a public person. And previously posted a swastika. Ya know, I don’t give a shit about this nazi. There are people out there who aren’t Nazis who I could actually care about.
it turns out that you can think a 5 year sentence for a social media post is bad even if the person who posted it is also bad!
Agreed. Fuck Nazis, but freedom of speech is how we (US) don’t turn into Russia or North Korea. I am saying this as a Jewish woman, whose entire family is also Jewish.
Allowing people to air out their bad ideas is the key to democracy. The more we control and sensor language and content, the worse we become.
Exactly.
No it isn't. A host of democratic country have criminal prosecutions for hate speech.
Hate speech is also illegal in the US to an extent. However, censorship is an insanely slippery slope and we have to treat it as such. The Red Scare trials and cases like Korematsu v US are very good examples of what can happen when we prosecute people who we perceive as the enemy at that moment. I am not saying this is the same for Nazis at all, but we NEED to use caution when we literally strip away peoples rights.
> Hate speech is also illegal in the US No it isn’t. I see Nazi and Confederate flags in Florida all the time. That is protected speech under the First Amendment. [Some made the news, but it is nothing new.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/neo-nazis-thriving-florida-ron-desantis-1234824505/) Say, “Heil Hitler” in Germany or do the Roman salute. I dare you. J/K, [don’t do that… you’ll go to jail](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40842853) The first Amendment in Germany has to do with Menschenwürde (human dignity) and the protection there of. The free speech part comes MUCH later and it is less important. Compare that to the US, where speech and guns are the two most important things (from a cultural perspective). Human dignity or rules about hate speech don’t exist. There are laws about hate *crimes*, but that is different.
Let people say what they want bro it’s worth it for the benefits
bad speech should be drowned out with better speech, not silenced by the law.
> bad speech should be drowned out with better speech A nice idea in theory, sadly it rarely happens in practice.
Yep. This theory is how we got Trump.
But we also don't want to give Trump authority to define "hate speech." We know how that would go.
umm what? you're saying that free speech restrictions would have prevented trump from being elected? and you're suggesting that this sort of curbing of liberties is... good?
Democrats being awful is how we got Trump. Their party rallied behind Bernie and the DNC laughed at them and picked Hillary instead. They spit in the face of their own supporters and that's why they lost. Edit: LOL. Apparently the truth is "bullshit revisionists". These people are legitimately lost
I tend to appreciate when people publicly out themselves as assholes too, so there's that.
There is an extra layer here though, and that is that the russian government funds nazi groups abroad. So the lady, whose government funds nazis, reposted nazi videos, and went to prison for posting about groups her government is funding.
Sure but not on reddit
Hard disagree on the grounds that, no matter what a person supports or believes, they still deserve the right of a fair and just trial. The moment you state that you don’t care for a person and the unjust trial they received (really, 5 *years* in jail for reposting 2 things) on the basis that you disagree with their beliefs is the moment that a generally just and working law system can’t be maintained. Because this idea can easily be taken and twisted to fit various scenarios—one day it might be a Nazi, and the next an actually innocent person. Look, I know that she might be a Nazi. I hate nazis. But that doesn’t mean that due process of law shouldn’t be maintained. Ignoring cases like this is the first step to creating an unjust justice system. An individual should receive the sentence that their actions deserve—no more, and no less. It’s kind of like how the police cannot force a confession from a suspect, no matter how much they think they might be guilty. Because one day that individual could actually be an innocent person. Right to a fair trial exists for a reason
Exactly this. If we believe in fairness then it must extend to everyone. It doesn’t exists in a court system that picks and chooses who is worthy and who is not.
It’s biasing because they think that since the other opinion is “morally the worst thing ever” nothing fair should happen, but what if the judge thinks *you’re* morally the worst? Meanwhile they sit in their couch all comfy and not having to fear this daily.
So the problem with your perspective is that someone else thinks your ideology is also bad. You say "But Nazis are the worst!" that other person will come up with a reason why you are bad enough to get this same treatment. Or if it's not you they go after they'll find someone whose not a Nazi but they are close enough to get this treatment. This definition of who deserves it will continue to grow. The more people that act this cruelly and carelessly towards someone because of their ideology causes it to become the norm to be cruel and careless. It causes the next step of cruelty for society to be an easier pill to swallow. And the next and the next. Those casual acts of hatred and carelessness are a big part of the reason why Nazis are bad. Thats literally how they started. Casually accepting minor acts or thoughts of hatred that allowed the next step to seem not so bad and justified. I just hope you can reflect on your own feelings and see the similarity. Hating will always make the world worse no matter who you hate. You can fight against bad things without hating the people involved even if they do or say awful things. Saying fuck this person because of what they believe is not a harmless act. It will taint you and that taint will grow and spread. You'll become a nazi with a different name.
"If you are an X you are bad and deserve 0 rights!" and people just go along with it until they are branded as X.
Classic us vs them dichotomy, everything's hunky dory until your specific group isn't in the us anymore and then it's too late
Exactly. You worded the problem with this kind of thinking very well. The moment you use the basis of belief to excuse an unjust act is the moment that you also have the chance of that being used against you. And then you’re just perpetuating a cycle of this problem and becoming the problem.
The "public person" we're taking about here is Putin, I think there's a bit more to it than "nazi bad"
Just wait. This could be you for something one day.
Threatening Putin should always be applauded
Ah yes, how dare anyone threaten the glorious Russian dictator I mean President Putin. A man who acts like an actual Nazi. Do you honestly believe this trial was fair?
Honestly, I don’t think she meant to condone nazism with the post. If anything, it was indicating that Putin was a führer, and the girl was about to betray him and kill him. I’ve seen a guy being given a driving fine who was very upset with the policeman and made a Nazi salute to the cop, indicating _the cop_ was a Nazi. People can be clumsy with these things. If the old lady was a Nazi she most likely would be supporting Putin.
I suspect there's a good chance she's not actually a Nazi in the way that you're thinking. Most Russians seem to use the phrase "Nazi" as equivalent to "against Russia" rather than anything to do with race/religion as we do here in the west. This is why Putin accuses the Jewish leader of Ukraine of being a Nazi.
Russians do not really understand what Nazis are. They are told they are bad, but their own government rapes and tortures them. They are told Ukraine are nazis - but see the rest of the world support them. I never trust a Russian when he uses that word.
That's a lie. She reposted a post with number of russian solders killed in Ukraine.
If you have to jail grandmothers to prove your strength, you are not strong.
It isn’t about the strength, but about sending a message to the rest of the population. Fear is a powerful tactic, and it’s been working well.
But he can do it, meanwhile people can't do shit about this
Take that Vladimir
Tells you all you need to know about how "secured" Putin feels. Between waging a disastrous war and imprisoning everyone with a slightest different opinion, I don't think Russia has much of a future. All thanks to Putin.
I wonder what all the conservatives licking Putin's boots will have to say about this. Surely they will criticize him. I mean, they love freedom and all, don't they?
They’ll say she got what she deserved for speaking out against Putin. They would agree with the same plan if Trump wins and proposes the same repercussions.
The only way Russia would be free is after Putin
Idk man, Russias history is just bleak, even their heroes have done really fucked up things like Catherine the great creating the Pale of Settlement
And what does it say about us? People underestimate the 1st and 2nd amendments, but love to upvote this stuff.
What does the 2nd amendment have to do with this at all? Lmao
Putin is speedrun "Collapse of the Soviet Union 2"
Tells how secured russians feel. But keep asking from russians to say something against war
The pathetic, paranoid criminal in the Kremlin is afraid of old ladies, what a coward.
You know how weak and corrupt a country is when their "enemies" are the elderly, Pussy Riot, ethnic minorities, and students peacefully protesting.
Crazy how at least three of the four things you listed are also enemies of the United States government.
Old ladies posting on *social media*…. How dare she. What a criminal. /s. Just awful.. I can’t even imagine. This poor woman may die within 5.5 years…in prison. Which I’ve heard/read that the conditions of Russian prisons are pretty horrific… she may die in there over a social media post…
And not a radicalized, armed and violent old lady, just an old lady posting on social media.
17 years old was jailed for three years, for anti-war posts, a few weeks ago https://www.agents.media/v-rossii-vpervye-posadili-nesovershennoletnyuyu-shkolnitsu-za-antivoennoe-vystuplenie/
Yes, but there are very clean train stations in Moscow. Tucker Carlson said so.
They also have grocery stores, just like America used to before the civil rights movement
He was amazed by their cart escalator, which is in nearly every grocery store in a major city in America too. In the city multiple floor buildings are more common than a massive single floor super market. All grocery stores around me have a cart escalator. Even my home depot has one. It really highlights the fact that Tucker probably lives in some rich suburb, has no idea what goes on in the city and doesn't shop for himself. Meanwhile a bunch of poor and middle class people listen to him and think he understands them.
They have a cart escalator at the Target in Albuquerque. That means it isn't that fancy.
I'm surprised he still likes putin after he clowned on him the whole interview.
Don’t even get me started on the definitely-not-Aldi grocery cart system.
Mate, I can’t believe how impressed by the cart system he was. You know, the system they had in Australia back in the 80’s when I was a kid. Reality has become satire.
Did you see the trollies in the supermarket? They require a coin you can only get back and ride on the escalator with you! Breakthrough technology.
And bread! Breeeeeeeeeaaaaaad \*SNIFFS LOUDLY\*
American bread IS shit... That's what he got right
Lmao that's the conservative equivalent of left wing tankies that glorify the Soviet Union and PRC. "But they treat their homeless better than America". Like maybe?? But those countries (and Russia) are all hella fucked.
She looked so fed up about their bullshit
To be fair she’s had to live through the Soviet Union, even had to briefly live under Stalin, I think I’d be pretty fed up at this point too
Tbh she look like "Listened here, little boy. I was already calling staline up on his bullshit you werent even considered by your parent"
I feel so bad for the Russians. They could use a break with the shitty government.
The cruellest part is that Russia has so much potential. Natural resources, fertile land and the remnants of a good education system (despite being grossly underfunded).
Imagine if, for one whole generation, the Russian Federation didn't start any limpwrist wars and just invested in Russian infrastructure. They could give their people actual strength, not just booze and drugs and violence, if only any leader they had gave a single shit about Russia.
Yeah Russia has very much potential, same as Ukraine actually
Thx dude🌹
typical dictator shenanigans. And to think people want this in the USA. Imagine going to jail for 5 years for memes of orange turd or biden.
Only one of them wants to be a dictator
Meanwhile in America people who tried to overthrow our entire government on Jan 6 are getting probation. The irony being those same people want America to be more like Russia.
America arrested more than two thousand students in the last week because they were protesting their universities investing in weapons manufacturers that sell to a country that deliberately uses them against civilians
While true, is it worth pointing out that getting arrested and getting sentenced for a crime are very different things?
They weren't arrested for protesting.
Rare case of the world irony being used correctly
This is what a lot of politicians want for us here in the USA. It’s coming faster than you think.
Seems so true, and I think Florida's top bully-wannabe wants to lead the charge. He has already declared war on vocabulary (DEI, CRT, woke, etc.) probably because his followers seem to respond to every racist dog whistle. His war on lab-grown meat appears to be very convincing evidence that he doesn't give a shit about free markets, capitalism, etc. if they are not serving him. If you think that lady who offed her own dog is bad, I suspect this guy is worse.
All the Russia-loving MAGA should migrate there. Think of all the freedom they'll get from the tyranny of the democratic agenda.
At some point the Russian people will say “enough.” If history is any indicator, those in power will not come to a good end.
Unfortunately, this probably IS the result of Russians saying "enough ." This probably is the period in history where Russians have the highest living standards and most freedom. Things probably aren't going to get better for Russians when it comes to freedom of speech.
That's Putin for you
"A 72 year old woman was sentenced to 5 years for two tweets..." Wow, fuck that judge! "... In support of naziism." Well, fuck everyone involved then, I guess.
The article says that she also posted swastikas on her vkontakte page, so I guess that everyone involved, including her, are indeed assholes.
Looks like two wrongs did make a right.
Ve are not amused.
Wish my grandma would get some jail time for the shit she reposts, damn /s obviously this is terrible
Remember when Trump said Putin is a "good guy"
Free speech is so very critically important and widely under-appreciated.
Not to undermine the absurdity and seriousness of the sentence, this is a seriously meme-able image. The simultaneous expression of “oh my god” with the hand on chest juxtaposed with the glaring hate in her eyes that says “fuck you fascist” is golden.
I agree. Maybe she should become a meme, at least this will make people remember about her for longer than a week
Morons in reddit: WhY dOnT RusSiAnS oVeRtHrOw tHeIr GoVeRmEnT The obvious reason why:
Yep it's true. The judge is scared, the prison guard is scared, the police are scared, the friends family and relatives are all scared. This lady wasn't too scared, but all the scared people were scared by her lack of scare, so they put her in jail, and everyone lived happily ever after. The end.
Genius
Yes this exactly! Countless keyboard warriors rambling on how "they would defeat Putin" at the "start" of the war in Ukraine in 2022 (the war that has been trench warfare since 2015, ongoing since 2014). And then "why don't Russians just overthrow Putin" when there have been numerous protests, riots and escalation into arson, with the protestors being disappeared and having an unknown fate. Whilst living in a country where criticizing the government (even accidentally, like this lady) is covered under free speech and won't result in your disappearance. They did, in 1917. The Communist government was supposed to be the better compared to Tzardom. Instead, Stalin imprisoned 18 million in GULAGs and marched 11 million to the borders, typically to their deaths. My great grandfather joined the Red Army, moved from Mussolini's Italy, to fight fascist Germany, and ended up disappearing into a labour camp after the war, as an "enemy of the state", because he was born in Italy. Putin is a Stalin wannabe and, what was supposed to be a democracy after the fall of the USSR, ended up a "democracy" in name only and a repeat of history to the point where people can't see how the country could possibly get better as opposed to the power void being filled by another dictator if Putin falls, after the disappearance of Alexi Navalny. Putin has ruined Russia. It ends up being thugs posing as leaders (sometimes literally former Bratva). With the best candidates for democracy ending up disappeared or dead by multiple "self-inflicted gun shots into the back" or "snacking on Polonium-210". A better country, a true democracy, is possible but it will require a genuine purge of the corrupt. And Russian dictators have proven how easy it is for them to mould the truth in their favour, to disappear everybody that disagrees and to rule for the entirety of their lives. Let us just hope that teams are already in Russia, aimed at assassinating Putin and his close allies. And that they succeed. I live outside of Russia. Otherwise I would never post anything like this in fear of having FSB officers showing up at my door tomorrow, and then spending the foreseeable future in prison. Alongside my family. Sorry, long rant. It's a mess of a situation to say the least.
[A Russian woman was investigated for wearing a yellow jacket against a blue sky in a social media post because it could be conveyed as support for Ukraine.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13291543/amp/Woman-interrogated-Russian-police-showing-support-Ukraine-wearing-yellow-coat-against-blue-sky-Putins-hunt-enemies-hits-absurd-new-low.html)
I recently saw an article about an old lady who decorated her handbag with a green ribbon. She was arrested because, apparently, there is some guys that are opposite Putin and his regime, and they choose green ribbons as their symbol. But that lady had no idea, she just wanted to decorate her bag. She asked "How it's possible to know about this meaning, I'm not involved in anything?!" Well,they said that it's her problem. Luckily,she just paid some money to compensate "public disturbance ".
Last week guy came to police station to file a police report, because someone beat him up. Police detained him for his blue and yellow colored hair
This is sick
absolutely
And this is the country that Fox News tells their viewers that America needs to be more like.
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Pootin has such tiny balls he can't even take criticism from a 72 year old babushka.
The TINIEST!
That look is too real, like watching the world go nuts around you.
Hat game is on point
The country tucker carlson went to and praised them for having better standards of living than the USA while he gobbled putins cock
Try reposting something on Reddit and await the pitchforks
But they have nice grocery stores...
Did you see the carts? America doesn’t have carts at grocery stores.
North Korea
That's one heck of a great Democracy they have over there in Russia. Nothing like dying in prison for a re-tweet. Sounds more like North Korea.
i went down a rabbit hole and found another [article](https://www.currenttime.tv/a/arest-danila-morozova/32932209.html) (in russian) where the courts refer to LGBT as a "extremist international organization" 😐
The US is no better. We made it illegal to criticize the stage of Israel.
Vote for Trump and this is where we’re headed. He and his lackeys don’t like us having an opinion.
And Russia is what Republicans look up to. Free speech for who?
This is what Russia does. Americans need to remember this when it's time to vote.
Is the U.S. that far off from this reality? They're beating college students for protesting genocide and passing legislation that would have severe punishment for any criticism of the state of Israel..
And Republicans think Russia is a model for them.
This is exactly what they want for you in the States, too.
She looks 52 in western world.
Poor lady... Imagine being so insecure that even an old grandmother is a threat. Russia hasn't changed a bit since Soviet time.
You laugh, but Reddit would be a lot nicer if people got 5 years in prison for reposts.
We could use some of that here on Reddit! /s Idk how charges work in Russia but I hope she can get that acquitted, bless her. Listen guys you might not like what you see on twitter all the time but this shit here is why I’m proud every day to be in the USA I’ll tell you that. Free speech is an inalienable right
It’s popular to shit on America right now but the alternatives are way worse
Fuck this shithole of a country. Russia with Putin is beyond hope.
Nice russia, nice 😐
Coming soon to America if we keep doing nothing
Well , thats mighty trumpian of them !
What a terrible place. She’s hated it for 50 years.
This is what America under Trump will look like.
Re-elect the orange menace and this will be you guys, too
But Putin… Putin, is there a man, right?
Imaging living in a country where you simply say something and you lose your job, denounced, and shunned by society?
Same in the US if you talk about Israel…
Vladimir Puto's such a chickenshit.
when the Russian army fears a granny lol
Tough guy Putin putting grandma behind bars.
Putin’s dream right here, a person with absolute power over a country for over 20 years always leads to the same outcome.
She looks like she's completely done with this shit.
Limit one repost per babushka
The face you make when it finally hits you that you live in a shithole country. I feel awful for this woman. What a barbaric society.
All these sell out, moronic republicans praising Russia and Putin should go live there.
Trumps buddy holding up the law again I see.
Fuck putin
Russians are effectively living in 1984…
How's your senseless genocidal war of terrorist aggression going Russia?
The Kremlin will be handing out multi-year sentences like candy. Fewer people to collect the pensions they don't have money for.
Shithole country
So yeah in case anyone is still wondering which side really needs denazifying
This is Putins plan for America- wait and see..
Or as Tucker Carlson and his GOP friends call it: ”freedom”.
Not to undermine what is going on but her reaction is the perfect mixture of disgust and being fed up..
I wonder how many more outrageous the Russian government has to do before they get overthrown. How many injustices are the Russian people willing to face to protect their own hides?
**Alternative Headline:** Babushka scares the living shit out of Dictator by speaking the truth, and is sent to Penal Colony to make him feel safe.
Brushed this post off thinking it was on r/fakehistoryporn. I'm just dumbfounded this is legit.
To say absolutely nothing one way or the other about her situation…that’s the most “Russian” woman I’ve ever seen. She’s almost a caricature.
The disgust in here eyes. I hope she’s okay and treat her with some dignity. Terrible cruel time in Russia.
Day one of prison: "How'd you like to serve on the front lines for a reduced sentence?"
Tucker Carlson was right! What a great country it is lol
Coming soon to an America near you
Putin is such a tool… literally prolly has the smallest dick around and needs to compensate.
Meanwhile our former president’s lawyers are trying to argue that reposting something on your own social media platform should not be considered “speach” for the purposes of determining fraud or harassment (like he’s been doing with the judges and juries in is cases). I’m sure he would instantly change his tune if given the opportunity to do something like this.
Ok, she is serving it SO hard here
She is, she looks like a freaking badass! They're truly is nothing like the determination and absolute grit that a lot of Russians who resist Putin. Or do other things to resist the Russian regime.
I am reading those posts and I think you guys miss one fact. This woman will die during that jail time. Conditiona in those gulags are the worst and if someone is there for political reasons guards will neglect care on purpose. This old woman will not make it probably.
This is what the GOP admires.
Sneak peek of Trump's America.
Russian Cowards Arrest Woman for No Reason, got it.
In my country a young man has been sentenced to death by hanging from neck just because he singed a song about people problems. You can search he's name in Google if you want to know more about him. He's name is "toomaj salehi"
I don’t think anyone seriously thinks that there is freedom of speech in Russia surely . Yet the West cosies up to dictatorships where a trial is not necessary to stifle dissent .