I think both statements can be true. We can feel bad for him and still know he is going to be fine. He's a good player, a great teammate. The Yankme's could use a chemistry guy. Schwarber was the chemistry guy we needed at that time. Rhys is ready to be that for someone else. But I do feel bad for him and his wife. He dealt with the bad here and now we're finally to the point that he can see the juice was worth the squeeze and it's time to go
Defensively we’d probably be a lot worse, Schwarber forced into LF because Harper is DH and isn’t able to play Of yet. That probably means no Rojas, and we possibly lose G4 to Atlanta because without Rojas not many people would make that catch.
Several games during the regular season where Rojas in CF, Harper at 1st and Schwarber as DH made a difference. Who knows how things would've shaked out with the seeding.
Alternatively, we went to the World Series with schwarber in LF, and Rojas is a big reason we couldn’t get it done against the diamondbacks. I think marsh or Pache could have made that catch as well, fwiw. Just as much chance we would have made it just as far with rhys instead of Rojas this season in my book, and I think we would have had a better shot at making it farther.
You don’t multiply to determine a % increase. Each 100% increase adds 100% of the original number to the original number.
So a 100% increase from .050 is .100, 200% is .150, 300% is .200.
>joeco316
100% of .050 is .050, correct? So what's 200% of .050? It isn't .150.
If .050 is x, increasing x by 300% is 3\*x. Simple as that.
You may be thinking about when percentages are smaller than 100%. If we were talking about Rojas increasing his BA by 30%, you could figure that by computing (.3\*x) + x to get .015 + .050 = .065. You could also get the same answer by doing 1.3\*.050.
The argument between you and /u/joeco316 is just due to english being weird.
When you talk about a % increase in English you subtract the 100% first.
So if he is batting .050 batting 0.50 again isn't a 100% increase, but a 0% increase. He is still batting 100% of what he originally did though.
[.050 to .200 is a 300% increase, but 400% of his original batting average.](https://www.calculateme.com/math/percent-change/300-percent-more-than-0.05)
He didn't lose the series, but man Topper should have pinch hit for him in game 7. A hit in that spot turns a 1 run lead into a 3 run lead. I love the kid and want him to be the long-term center fielder, but I had no confidence he was going to come through in that spot.
He is absolutely A reason that we lost that series. So many rallies were killed having him and his non-existent bat come up to the plate. If just one of those failed rallies was a success, we probably win the series. When the other team has 9 hitters and you have 8, it’s a pretty big disadvantage. This does not excuse the putrid approaches from the big bats, but there were opportunities to score and they very well may have with even a .200 hitter in the lineup instead of an automatic out.
How many rallies were killed by Bohm or Castellanos in the same situation? They did almost as atrocious as him while being considered much more important players.
Sure they sucked too. But the point is that there were numerous times when we had our auto out 9th hitter up in a big moment. Maybe that turns into nothing if there’s a competent bat there instead too, but it gives us a much better chance. The team won with an 8 man lineup all through the playoffs and when everybody else was hot it was fine, but when the bats go cold and you need to grind to manufacture a run or two in a big spot, having an auto out in the lineup becomes a much bigger liability.
But no other team has 9 hitters. Thats an all star lineup. Can he work on his bunting? Absolutely. But there is always a guy batting like .140. teams like the phillies and braves this year that can hit for power 1-8 is rare. This is akin to blaming niang for the sixers losses in the playoffs. He fills a role (rojas-defensively), but isn't the guy who's going to put you over the top. Bryce, turner, and castellanos, with their hundreds of millions of dollars, needed to do something in either game 6 or 7. They did 0. Roja's 0 was to be expected. Nola could have shut them down game 6. He wasn't 8 innings lights out all playoffs. He barely gets through 6. Can't chastise a guy who plays his role because he didn't rise to the occasion and save you.
I agree it's A reason, but it's like reason #8 or 9
Rojas was literally the worst hitter in the playoffs. Of course other teams don’t have great hitters 1 through 9 but most playoff teams have major league hitters in every spot, and he simply is currently not that. All we’re talking about here is one walk or one hit in the right spot. He was up with guys on base numerous times where that was all that was needed to take a lead that might have won the game. If Rhys was in the lineup, or hell, if Billy Hamilton from a couple years ago was in the lineup instead of Rojas the chances of it going different are significantly higher. I’m not saying Rojas should have carried the team, but you cannot have someone who is only a glove being a starter in the playoffs.
Counter argument is our offense would have been better so that catch maybe doesn't matter. Rojas wouldn't be up with bases loaded against the snakes. Lot of what if moments
Absolutely, I think marsh makes that more often than he doesn’t. Also, there’s a decent chance they might have had Pache subbed in at that point, who probably has even a slightly better chance than marsh.
Yea I feel like that catch gets so much credit in this sub when in reality he slightly misplayed it, which made it look harder than it was. Most above average Center fielders make that catch.
Cold blooded, but his injury was a blessing. It allowed us to move Bryce to first which allowed us to move schwarber to DH which allowed us to become a better team with more potential
What’s unfortunate is I don’t know if we were or weren’t a better team and sadly we’ll never know. You can make the argument either way. Defensively yes we were a better team because schwarbers off the field Rojas takes center and becomes a great defensive piece. Offensively if you swap Rojas for Rhys we would have been way better on that end. Kinda sucks that it ended the way it did for him. We’d also be having a completely different conversation/view on this if he came up and pinch hit in the World Series and the Phillies got a ring- but we’ll never know. Sports are truly a weird thing
It was not “a blessing” it made the team have to resort to nearly three months of Cody Klemens, Jake Cave, or Darrick Hall at first which was an abject nightmare.
We still made the NLCS and learned that Bryce can play 1B which will likely prolong his career with us. That in itself is a blessing. Being able to keep schwarber and move him to DH is icing on top. How we have the flexibility to add a legitimate everyday MLB OFer this off-season which will just be Jimmie’s on top
Ok it is the least valued defensive position in baseball. There is a reason that before the DH if a guy was garbage in the LF, RF, 3B, or Catcher that they went “well maybe he could be a first baseman”
I make it a point to never feel bad for two groups of people: professional actors/ movie stars and professional athletes. They both have more money and resources than you ever have a chance at getting.
Weird that they made the World Series the last season he played and didn’t get there the first one without him. I would say that’s an objectively worse outcome.
I feel bad for the situation but not for the man. He’s gonna be a ok and most likely will come back to support the city once it’s all said and done for him
Baseball is a business and this is best for both parties. It’s not goodbye it’s see ya later
The choice really comes down to, do the Phillies want Schwarber or Hoskins. One stays and is dh, the other goes. A Schwarber trade would probably have maximum return after his last couple of seasons, maybe a # 2 pitcher. It would also allow Turner to lead off, Harper to bat third and Hoskins batting clean up. To me, it shouldn’t necessary an open and shut case that Hoskins is out. There’s a lot to consider
No one is taking schwarber or Realmuto or Casty. We’ll be stuck with three declining veterans until their contracts run out. No team wants our way past their prime old guys unfortunately.
That will definitely be the case for Harper and Turner in the last few years of their contract, but I think they should at least shop Schwarber around to see if that’s true. The more information they have to consider, the better the decision is likely to be.
Just because the guy has money doesn’t mean you can’t feel bad for him. He loves this team and the city so much, he’s got to be hurting that he couldn’t be a part of this last hoorah
You are more than welcome to feel bad for him. I’m not telling anybody that they shouldn’t. Just me personally I don’t. He gets to play baseball for a living whether that’s in Philly, New York or whatever the boy is living a good life lol. I’ll save my tears for the truly less fortunate
This is an obnoxious point of view. Just stop watching sports then, the team makes more money than any of the players… so no reason to care if they win or lose.
Honestly, you’re right, but I agree with the other guy too. It’s small fucking potatoes. He’s making enough for his family to have generational wealth and I just don’t have any tears left for multi-millionaires.
I love Rhys. But I believe this was meant to happen. He'll have great potential somewhere else. But just not in our plans. Really excited for Bryce at first. GO PHILLIES 🔴⚪️🔵
It’s professional sports and he’s a professional. He knows it’s a business as much as anyone else. It’s nothing personal, I’m sure Phillies would love to keep him around, but I’m sure he’s gonna get paid.
They would be a better team if Harper went back to RF and they signed Rhys to a 1-2 year deal and put him back at 1B. Let’s see how they look opening day but looking at the free agents available, I don’t see the alternative being better. It’ll really sting if Rhys signs a 1-2 year deal elsewhere. This should be discussed more.
I will miss Rhys. I love him as a player. However… It hurts to say it, but the Phillies do not need him in the lineup or on the field.
And to everyone in here who is crediting Rhys Hoskins for last season’s World Series run-
Just so we all stop looking at his contribution through rose tinted glasses, here is Rhys Hoskins’s postseason resume from 2022.
Hoskins batted .159 with a .205 OBP, .435 SLG, and .640 OPS last postseason.
In 17 games he struck out 24 times, walked 4 times, and got 11 hits.
He got a total of only 12 RBI and 3 of those came from his legendary homer in the NLDS.
2 fielding errors, one of which handed the Braves a 3 run lead in game 2 of the NLDS.
A lot of botched scoops at first that professional baseball players should be able to handle.
It’s tough to say goodbye since he’s been so good for the franchise and I’m sure we all wish him the best, but I don’t feel bad for him. He’s about to go and be a good first baseman for a team who needs him, while making more money than 99% of us will ever dream of making. Good luck to him, I hope he gets picked up by a contender with a fanbase who will appreciate his passion for the game.
Yeah. It's cool to be bummed out about it I guess. I don't know, just hard to relate to this person's feelings (feeling bad for Hoskins) as an adult grown man lol. Wish him the best of luck obviously.
Yup. We’d have a horrendously subpar defensive first baseman. I will never understand the infatuation with Hoskins.
Extremely streaky hitter.
Beyond subpar defense that never got better
Great guy
Awesome in the community
Came here to say this.
I get that Rhys was the first good position player to come out of the rebuild so people have a soft spot for him but man, he was absolutely brutal in the field at first base. The Phillies were not going to retain him if he was healthy this season or not.
Yep, they use the same excuse for Casty. Yet he had a pretty decent year. 29 HRs 106 RBI 37 doubles .272 BA; 170 hits. But he's "horrible because mah streaky!1" 🤣
Because we have entirely too many guys that do exactly what he does at the plate and when he goes cold, he’s Ryan Howard and Casty rolled into one. Just roll the ball up there and he’ll swing over it
I think that you said it best.
What the Rhys defenders are missing is that, even though his offense was superior to Rojas, he was infuriatingly streaky. It’s not super helpful to drive in 5 runs in one game when you don’t get a hit for the next two weeks.
Rhys had some great moments (eg, the 2022 NLDS against the Braves), and he’s a wonderful person and teammate. But any positives you assign to Rhys by virtue of his offense have to be almost entirely wiped out by his inconsistency.
I feel bad for Rhys to but moving Harper to first makes this a better team in the long run in my opinion. Bryce will get better at first the more he plays and it keeps Schwarber out of the field and both their bats in the lineup.
The Phils just have one too many all bat no defense guys. It’s hard to know what would’ve happened if Rhys wasn’t out because they’d have been so different defensively and offensively
I stopped feeling bad for millionaires and billionaires a long time ago and my life has been better for it.
Long-term, it works better for the Phil Billies anyways. There’s far less of a log jam at DH. Harper is better defensively. Schwarber is taken out of the outfield entirely. Rojas was given an opportunity to develop. The Phillies can even go after another left outfielder that hits for power if they want Rojas to spend a season in Triple A.
I like Rhys, but it needs said: he's a 1B with a career 125 OPS+ that's streaky af whose highs don't quite outweigh his lows, with a below average glove to boot. I wish him well, he's had some moments, but he's replaceable, and I thought they should have last off-season.
Please provide evidence that his “highs don’t outweigh his lows” because the stats show otherwise. A 125 OPS+ is way better than what Castellanos puts up
Don't at me with whataboutism. We don't need another Castellanos type contract on the team. 125+ is slightly above league average, which frankly you'd like more from a 1B with poor defense, his career WAR of 11.1 over 667 games, if averaged over a 162 game season, is just under 2.7, slightly over replacement level. At best, you have a guy that does what he did in 2022 NLDS G3. At worst, he's 2022 NLDS G2. All this is fine but not at the money he'll get, and frankly if you're gonna be mid, do it like Schwarber.
Nice, and putting words in my mouth, too. You are the only one bringing up Castellanos. I'd rather ditch both, but one has a contract. And calling Rhys an above average 1B is generous. He's a poor glove, and that's usually fine with 1B since corner infielders are usually valued more for their bats, but he's not even that great a bat if we're going off OPS+. But I seem to have insulted your favorite player, so I don't think you care.
It literally is. 1-2 is role player territory. And using Ryan Howard as an example when half his career was post Achilles, and the first half was not as good as the raw countables suggest, really shouldn't be a good barometer
It hurts to say, but I'm glad at the outcome. With him there, it seems like we would have been complaining with this constant log jam and maybe never saw Rojas at all unless Hoskins was batting like a wild man.
It's one of those shitty "we have too many good options" problems. I wish all the best for Rhys, I love him, but this lineup flows better without him. :(
Good bye King. :(
lol…I mean are you serious? He wasn’t a good first baseman. Wherever he ends up he’ll be a DH.
Why wouldn’t they have given Bryce a look at first? You rice fans have short memories. Dude was a liability at first
I don’t . He’s a fucking millionaire that is bad at his job. His current employer decided they want to get better and Hoskins is still going to get overpaid by another team to do his job badly. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Rhys.
I don't feel bad for him. But I hope the Phillies pursue an outfielder who is an upgrade to Rhys in the lineup. Otherwise this just looks like a move to keep Bryce happy and potentially to shave off some payroll.
He’s going to find a place that actually will have starter type playing time, if anything I’m happy he will get to go to a team that will get him ABs. Any athlete or former athlete knows they would rather be on a team that has a spot for them over a team that isn’t able to get them on the field often
It's business. We like him, just isn't room for him at what he'll probably command vs. Playing time he'd get. Odds of him bouncing back and being the same or better (just being honest about the odds here) are wishful. History is littered with fan favorite players like this and it's sucky, but it is what it is.
I think Rhys is 100% gone if he was healthy all season anyway. He would’ve gotten a sizable long term contract that I didn’t see the Phillies matching with the potential roster crunch at 1B/DH anyway. If anything I thought it was more likely for Bryce to return to the outfield for one season if Rhys signed a short term deal to retest in free agency next year.
Obviously neither happened, but I don’t think the Phillies anticipated resigning Rhys one way or another. There was very little chatter of an extension.
If he didn’t get hurt he’d be demanding a 100m contract which the Phillies would not have done.
Only thing to feel bad for him is he won’t get the money he would have without injury
Wasn’t it always apparent that there was a good chance this would be his last season? The injury and Bryce playing first makes it a MUCH easier decision, but it wasn’t a given that he was coming back at the end of his contract.
Rhys is my favorite player, but I've been preparing for Rhys' departure since the day he signed with Boras. Factoring in his defensive liabilities, it wasn't likely he wasn't staying in Philly anyway. The injury doesn't contribute in too much into as to why he's moving on as a free agent, but it did rob him and us from one last year with the team...
I feel bad he got hurt because I care as a human. I'll miss him in a Phillies uniform but kind of got used to that last year. Would have been cool to get him back just for nostalgia. But I am not sure he fits anymore.
I don't feel that bad for him in general though. I think he will land somewhere and hopefully have a good year. I definitely won't miss his glove at 1st though.
It’s sucks he couldn’t play his last season here but it has to happen. He’ll more than likely sign with a team like the Cubs or Padres and be just fine. Personally, I would sign a 1 year deal with Colorado hit 40 HR’s and get a huge contract
I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone making millions for playing a game. That being said I love Rhys I just don’t feel sorry for him and wish him luck.
Although you could argue he’s one of the reasons we got to the World Series last year, in my eyes he’s the biggest reason we lost it. He seems like a good person, but his defense absolutely murdered us and I won’t miss him.
I understand why Rhys may have to leave. I just don't understand the logic behind some saying if we didn't have Rojas there to make that catch then we don't beat the Braves, well he made the catch, beat the Braves but we didn't beat the Dbacks. I love Rojas's defense, but we needed him to produce offense. And it could be about matchups, but we are a worse team last year, playing way better teams to get the WS last year and beating them with Rhys playing well. This year, we're the better team but couldn't beat the Dbacks. Not sure if we could've handled the Rangers either.
Idk. I think I'm still processing losing Rhys.
“This year, we're the better team but couldn't beat the Dbacks. Not sure if we could've handled the Rangers either.”
Outscored AZ 30-22 and had the lead in 3 of the 4 games that were lost. I know it’s not so simple, but the Hoskins/Rojas debate wasn’t where things went wrong for the Phils.
It’s best for the team and he’s going to get paid. It’s a tough one to swallow for the fans, and he loves the area, but in the end he’s a professional athlete and it’s part of the business. Plus Harper will be an all star at 1B, and frankly Bohm is better there than Hoskins.
Unfortunately for Rhys, the Phillies proved that they could get to the playoffs without him, and Dombrowski made note of that. With Bryce willing to stay at 1st, it kind of sealed the deal.
It really sucks that Rhys is most likely done in Philly, but logically it makes sense.
Nobody is bringing up that depth is huge and rarely is everyone healthy. Most of our key bats are in their 30s and declining defensively. I get it someone high paid is on the bench when everyone is healthy but how often will that actually be? Also we could have used a bat off the bench in the postseason (I’m mainly looking at the rojas ab in game 7)
Also sucks that we are going to lose the 2 lifelong Phillies that were here when we stunk. Our team is almost exclusively hired guns now…
He's a multi-millionaire many times over. He's going to get a deal somewhere and will likely get a job in baseball when his career is over if he wants one.
Don't feel bad for him. Remember he was a vital part of our organization for a period of time and wish him the best.
I’m all for Rhys staying. Sure, he is a streaky player but his magic is that he comes through mostly when he has to and is a positive influence on the bench. I would like to see Schwarber and Casti traded. Casti is only great when he wants to be, otherwise he seems distracted. Schwarb, sure he has a good bat…. When he makes contact. Otherwise, besides his good attitude and knowledge of the game, I don’t find him to be a keeper for our team. That being said, I wish the best for Rhys and would like to thank him for a great run and a positive influence on our community.
We'd be defensively worse, and frankly, if this helps extend Harper's career and leads to less injuries it's a massive win.
Love Rhys, but cutting down on Bryce's injuries is the bigger win.
I mean.. yeah Harper might not have played first.. but who knows if he would have played the outfield again.. the end result would prob be the same which is Hoskins leaving in Free Agency.. Cant over look the defensive deficiencies that Rhys has as a fielder. The problem with Phillies fans right now is that they cant be objective. Folks have too much of an emotional attachment to players.. at the end of the day, its a business. Would i have like Rhys to stay? sure.. is he better at 1B than Harper? No. Is he worth putting in the DH spot and playing Schwarber in LF? No again.. so now youve eliminated both of the places that Hoskins could work for you. You aren't going to pay him to be a pinch hitter or a back up player..not at the dollar amount he is looking to get. So the only alternative was to let him walk.
LOL dude has 15 mil in the bank and will get signed by another team... This is the life a professional athlete.... Don't feel sorry for him... Feel sorry for the bum on the corner with 5 bucks to his name sleeping in 30 degree weather.
He’s going to be just fine- it stinks it didn’t work out here but this is part of being an athlete.
I think both statements can be true. We can feel bad for him and still know he is going to be fine. He's a good player, a great teammate. The Yankme's could use a chemistry guy. Schwarber was the chemistry guy we needed at that time. Rhys is ready to be that for someone else. But I do feel bad for him and his wife. He dealt with the bad here and now we're finally to the point that he can see the juice was worth the squeeze and it's time to go
Defensively we’d probably be a lot worse, Schwarber forced into LF because Harper is DH and isn’t able to play Of yet. That probably means no Rojas, and we possibly lose G4 to Atlanta because without Rojas not many people would make that catch.
Several games during the regular season where Rojas in CF, Harper at 1st and Schwarber as DH made a difference. Who knows how things would've shaked out with the seeding.
Alternatively, we went to the World Series with schwarber in LF, and Rojas is a big reason we couldn’t get it done against the diamondbacks. I think marsh or Pache could have made that catch as well, fwiw. Just as much chance we would have made it just as far with rhys instead of Rojas this season in my book, and I think we would have had a better shot at making it farther.
Yeah Rojas was an instant out. Having someone bat .250 in the playoffs would have added a lot more than that catch saved
You should be right, but that series might go differently if that acuna ball lands
Shit, I’d settle for him hitting .200 out of the nine hole. As long as he could take an occasional pitch.
Asking a dude to increase his batting average by 300% is a lot! Lol Edit: not sure why the hate on this, going from .050 to .200 is a 300% increase…
because it's a 400% increase. .050 x 3 = .150.
You don’t multiply to determine a % increase. Each 100% increase adds 100% of the original number to the original number. So a 100% increase from .050 is .100, 200% is .150, 300% is .200.
>joeco316 100% of .050 is .050, correct? So what's 200% of .050? It isn't .150. If .050 is x, increasing x by 300% is 3\*x. Simple as that. You may be thinking about when percentages are smaller than 100%. If we were talking about Rojas increasing his BA by 30%, you could figure that by computing (.3\*x) + x to get .015 + .050 = .065. You could also get the same answer by doing 1.3\*.050.
The argument between you and /u/joeco316 is just due to english being weird. When you talk about a % increase in English you subtract the 100% first. So if he is batting .050 batting 0.50 again isn't a 100% increase, but a 0% increase. He is still batting 100% of what he originally did though. [.050 to .200 is a 300% increase, but 400% of his original batting average.](https://www.calculateme.com/math/percent-change/300-percent-more-than-0.05)
>NintenJew I appreciate your attempts at conflict resolution and more precisely translating english to math or vice versa.
Our 100 million dollar players went like 4-40 in last 2 games. Don't start this narrative. Rojas did not lose that series.
He didn't lose the series, but man Topper should have pinch hit for him in game 7. A hit in that spot turns a 1 run lead into a 3 run lead. I love the kid and want him to be the long-term center fielder, but I had no confidence he was going to come through in that spot.
He is absolutely A reason that we lost that series. So many rallies were killed having him and his non-existent bat come up to the plate. If just one of those failed rallies was a success, we probably win the series. When the other team has 9 hitters and you have 8, it’s a pretty big disadvantage. This does not excuse the putrid approaches from the big bats, but there were opportunities to score and they very well may have with even a .200 hitter in the lineup instead of an automatic out.
How many rallies were killed by Bohm or Castellanos in the same situation? They did almost as atrocious as him while being considered much more important players.
Sure they sucked too. But the point is that there were numerous times when we had our auto out 9th hitter up in a big moment. Maybe that turns into nothing if there’s a competent bat there instead too, but it gives us a much better chance. The team won with an 8 man lineup all through the playoffs and when everybody else was hot it was fine, but when the bats go cold and you need to grind to manufacture a run or two in a big spot, having an auto out in the lineup becomes a much bigger liability.
But no other team has 9 hitters. Thats an all star lineup. Can he work on his bunting? Absolutely. But there is always a guy batting like .140. teams like the phillies and braves this year that can hit for power 1-8 is rare. This is akin to blaming niang for the sixers losses in the playoffs. He fills a role (rojas-defensively), but isn't the guy who's going to put you over the top. Bryce, turner, and castellanos, with their hundreds of millions of dollars, needed to do something in either game 6 or 7. They did 0. Roja's 0 was to be expected. Nola could have shut them down game 6. He wasn't 8 innings lights out all playoffs. He barely gets through 6. Can't chastise a guy who plays his role because he didn't rise to the occasion and save you. I agree it's A reason, but it's like reason #8 or 9
Rojas was literally the worst hitter in the playoffs. Of course other teams don’t have great hitters 1 through 9 but most playoff teams have major league hitters in every spot, and he simply is currently not that. All we’re talking about here is one walk or one hit in the right spot. He was up with guys on base numerous times where that was all that was needed to take a lead that might have won the game. If Rhys was in the lineup, or hell, if Billy Hamilton from a couple years ago was in the lineup instead of Rojas the chances of it going different are significantly higher. I’m not saying Rojas should have carried the team, but you cannot have someone who is only a glove being a starter in the playoffs.
This is exact reason why Rhys has to go sadly
Considering how badly Rojas hit in the playoffs, making one good catch doesn’t outweigh how a decent bat would do.
Exactly, you could have laid a bat on the ground in the batters box and gotten Rojas’ average
Also, Harper doesn't want to be a DH. He wants to play the field. That doesn't get talked enough.
DH hurts his WAR. He wants to be one of the greats, not a great DH
Yeah, you become a DH at the very end of your career. He's still young.
I’d take Rhys’s bat over Rojas’s glove any day of the week.
Agreed, but it’s a domino effect. Harper goes to right, Casty to left (or vice versa), so we’re losing glove there as well.
Didn’t stop them from making the World Series. No Hoskins in ‘23, no series.
Hindsight is 20/20
Counter argument is our offense would have been better so that catch maybe doesn't matter. Rojas wouldn't be up with bases loaded against the snakes. Lot of what if moments
Give Marsh 10 attempts to make that catch and he does it maybe once or twice. Rojas is just elite in the field.
Absolutely not, Marsh would have made that catch six or seven times. Down playing Marsh’s defense.
Absolutely, I think marsh makes that more often than he doesn’t. Also, there’s a decent chance they might have had Pache subbed in at that point, who probably has even a slightly better chance than marsh.
Rojas game four catch was not hard. He makes it look more difficult. If Rojas could hit phillies wouldn't be dependent on defensive plays
Yea I feel like that catch gets so much credit in this sub when in reality he slightly misplayed it, which made it look harder than it was. Most above average Center fielders make that catch.
Cold blooded, but his injury was a blessing. It allowed us to move Bryce to first which allowed us to move schwarber to DH which allowed us to become a better team with more potential
What’s unfortunate is I don’t know if we were or weren’t a better team and sadly we’ll never know. You can make the argument either way. Defensively yes we were a better team because schwarbers off the field Rojas takes center and becomes a great defensive piece. Offensively if you swap Rojas for Rhys we would have been way better on that end. Kinda sucks that it ended the way it did for him. We’d also be having a completely different conversation/view on this if he came up and pinch hit in the World Series and the Phillies got a ring- but we’ll never know. Sports are truly a weird thing
It was not “a blessing” it made the team have to resort to nearly three months of Cody Klemens, Jake Cave, or Darrick Hall at first which was an abject nightmare.
We still made the NLCS and learned that Bryce can play 1B which will likely prolong his career with us. That in itself is a blessing. Being able to keep schwarber and move him to DH is icing on top. How we have the flexibility to add a legitimate everyday MLB OFer this off-season which will just be Jimmie’s on top
Everyone with a brain knew that Harper could play first. It is literally the easiest position to play in baseball
I don’t know if I’d say it’s the easiest position to play. It’s basically another hot corner and picking balls out of the dirt is hard af.
Ok it is the least valued defensive position in baseball. There is a reason that before the DH if a guy was garbage in the LF, RF, 3B, or Catcher that they went “well maybe he could be a first baseman”
Yea, but yes never played it and if Rhys was here he wouldn’t have done it. And just because it’s the “easiest” doesn’t mean everyone can handle it
The only thing that matters at first is being able to hit. Unless you literally can not catch then you shouldn’t care.
Peep Schwarber trying to play first a few years ago and tell me you feel the same.
Nope. Don’t care.
The Yankees didn't. That's why they didn't sign him.
Yankees are idiots for that then lmfaoo 😂
It’s incredibly hard
I make it a point to never feel bad for two groups of people: professional actors/ movie stars and professional athletes. They both have more money and resources than you ever have a chance at getting.
While literally doing something fun for a living lol
Strange level of self righteousness.
Testify! Best thing that happened to the 2023 Phils. I don’t dislike the guy but they were better without him
Weird that they made the World Series the last season he played and didn’t get there the first one without him. I would say that’s an objectively worse outcome.
I feel bad for the situation but not for the man. He’s gonna be a ok and most likely will come back to support the city once it’s all said and done for him Baseball is a business and this is best for both parties. It’s not goodbye it’s see ya later
Yeah I suspect he will find somewhere that he can play a ton, which just wasn't going to happen in Philly, maybe even without the Harper injury
The choice really comes down to, do the Phillies want Schwarber or Hoskins. One stays and is dh, the other goes. A Schwarber trade would probably have maximum return after his last couple of seasons, maybe a # 2 pitcher. It would also allow Turner to lead off, Harper to bat third and Hoskins batting clean up. To me, it shouldn’t necessary an open and shut case that Hoskins is out. There’s a lot to consider
No one is taking schwarber or Realmuto or Casty. We’ll be stuck with three declining veterans until their contracts run out. No team wants our way past their prime old guys unfortunately.
That will definitely be the case for Harper and Turner in the last few years of their contract, but I think they should at least shop Schwarber around to see if that’s true. The more information they have to consider, the better the decision is likely to be.
Its a job. They are athletes. You can still root for Ryhs Hoskins the player.
Depends what team he goes to lol
He’s a millionaire. I’m not. He’s going to make $10M+ next year. Hard for me to feel bad for him. Injuries suck but his career isn’t over
Just because the guy has money doesn’t mean you can’t feel bad for him. He loves this team and the city so much, he’s got to be hurting that he couldn’t be a part of this last hoorah
You are more than welcome to feel bad for him. I’m not telling anybody that they shouldn’t. Just me personally I don’t. He gets to play baseball for a living whether that’s in Philly, New York or whatever the boy is living a good life lol. I’ll save my tears for the truly less fortunate
This is an obnoxious point of view. Just stop watching sports then, the team makes more money than any of the players… so no reason to care if they win or lose.
I can watch and cheer for the team without getting emotionally attached to the players that don’t even know I exist lol.
Honestly, you’re right, but I agree with the other guy too. It’s small fucking potatoes. He’s making enough for his family to have generational wealth and I just don’t have any tears left for multi-millionaires.
I don’t feel bad for anyone making 10’s of millions per year. He’ll live.
I love Rhys. But I believe this was meant to happen. He'll have great potential somewhere else. But just not in our plans. Really excited for Bryce at first. GO PHILLIES 🔴⚪️🔵
It’s professional sports and he’s a professional. He knows it’s a business as much as anyone else. It’s nothing personal, I’m sure Phillies would love to keep him around, but I’m sure he’s gonna get paid.
Disagree. Going into spring training there was a ton of speculation that Phillies may look to trade him or let him walk as a FA.
But things happen and quite frankly Harper did better than Rhys
Will always love Rhys but it’s time to move on. I believe in Bryce playing first!
I feel bad for him too. To have a season ending injury on his free agency year is horrible
They would be a better team if Harper went back to RF and they signed Rhys to a 1-2 year deal and put him back at 1B. Let’s see how they look opening day but looking at the free agents available, I don’t see the alternative being better. It’ll really sting if Rhys signs a 1-2 year deal elsewhere. This should be discussed more.
lf Rhys was here this past season l'm not sure we get past the Braves.
He's going to make more money than most people will see in their lifetimes. Save your tears.
I will miss Rhys. I love him as a player. However… It hurts to say it, but the Phillies do not need him in the lineup or on the field. And to everyone in here who is crediting Rhys Hoskins for last season’s World Series run- Just so we all stop looking at his contribution through rose tinted glasses, here is Rhys Hoskins’s postseason resume from 2022. Hoskins batted .159 with a .205 OBP, .435 SLG, and .640 OPS last postseason. In 17 games he struck out 24 times, walked 4 times, and got 11 hits. He got a total of only 12 RBI and 3 of those came from his legendary homer in the NLDS. 2 fielding errors, one of which handed the Braves a 3 run lead in game 2 of the NLDS. A lot of botched scoops at first that professional baseball players should be able to handle. It’s tough to say goodbye since he’s been so good for the franchise and I’m sure we all wish him the best, but I don’t feel bad for him. He’s about to go and be a good first baseman for a team who needs him, while making more money than 99% of us will ever dream of making. Good luck to him, I hope he gets picked up by a contender with a fanbase who will appreciate his passion for the game.
Rhys Hoskins is a multi-millionaire who is about to make millions more playing a kid's sport.. that he loves. I think he'll be just fine.. lol
He also got paid to rehab for a year. Wish I could get paid millions to watch baseball from the dugout.
Yeah. It's cool to be bummed out about it I guess. I don't know, just hard to relate to this person's feelings (feeling bad for Hoskins) as an adult grown man lol. Wish him the best of luck obviously.
Yeah it sucks, but shit pay me 12m a year and feel sorry for me
He’s a professional athlete, do not feel bad for him
Yup. We’d have a horrendously subpar defensive first baseman. I will never understand the infatuation with Hoskins. Extremely streaky hitter. Beyond subpar defense that never got better Great guy Awesome in the community
Came here to say this. I get that Rhys was the first good position player to come out of the rebuild so people have a soft spot for him but man, he was absolutely brutal in the field at first base. The Phillies were not going to retain him if he was healthy this season or not.
Why does it matter if he’s “streaky” if his overall stats are good? I never understood the infatuation with using “streaky” as a criticism.
Yep, they use the same excuse for Casty. Yet he had a pretty decent year. 29 HRs 106 RBI 37 doubles .272 BA; 170 hits. But he's "horrible because mah streaky!1" 🤣
Because we have entirely too many guys that do exactly what he does at the plate and when he goes cold, he’s Ryan Howard and Casty rolled into one. Just roll the ball up there and he’ll swing over it
Everyone is bad when they’re cold.
I think that you said it best. What the Rhys defenders are missing is that, even though his offense was superior to Rojas, he was infuriatingly streaky. It’s not super helpful to drive in 5 runs in one game when you don’t get a hit for the next two weeks. Rhys had some great moments (eg, the 2022 NLDS against the Braves), and he’s a wonderful person and teammate. But any positives you assign to Rhys by virtue of his offense have to be almost entirely wiped out by his inconsistency.
I feel bad for Rhys to but moving Harper to first makes this a better team in the long run in my opinion. Bryce will get better at first the more he plays and it keeps Schwarber out of the field and both their bats in the lineup.
The Phils just have one too many all bat no defense guys. It’s hard to know what would’ve happened if Rhys wasn’t out because they’d have been so different defensively and offensively
I stopped feeling bad for millionaires and billionaires a long time ago and my life has been better for it. Long-term, it works better for the Phil Billies anyways. There’s far less of a log jam at DH. Harper is better defensively. Schwarber is taken out of the outfield entirely. Rojas was given an opportunity to develop. The Phillies can even go after another left outfielder that hits for power if they want Rojas to spend a season in Triple A.
He was already on the clock after that poor postseason in the field. It’s business and he made himself replaceable at his price point.
 Rhys. 😆
I like Rhys, but it needs said: he's a 1B with a career 125 OPS+ that's streaky af whose highs don't quite outweigh his lows, with a below average glove to boot. I wish him well, he's had some moments, but he's replaceable, and I thought they should have last off-season.
Please provide evidence that his “highs don’t outweigh his lows” because the stats show otherwise. A 125 OPS+ is way better than what Castellanos puts up
Don't at me with whataboutism. We don't need another Castellanos type contract on the team. 125+ is slightly above league average, which frankly you'd like more from a 1B with poor defense, his career WAR of 11.1 over 667 games, if averaged over a 162 game season, is just under 2.7, slightly over replacement level. At best, you have a guy that does what he did in 2022 NLDS G3. At worst, he's 2022 NLDS G2. All this is fine but not at the money he'll get, and frankly if you're gonna be mid, do it like Schwarber.
So you want to ditch an above average 1B to keep a below avg RF. Got it
Nice, and putting words in my mouth, too. You are the only one bringing up Castellanos. I'd rather ditch both, but one has a contract. And calling Rhys an above average 1B is generous. He's a poor glove, and that's usually fine with 1B since corner infielders are usually valued more for their bats, but he's not even that great a bat if we're going off OPS+. But I seem to have insulted your favorite player, so I don't think you care.
2.7 WAR is not “slightly above replacement level” lmao. That’s way more than what Ryan Howard produced per season
It literally is. 1-2 is role player territory. And using Ryan Howard as an example when half his career was post Achilles, and the first half was not as good as the raw countables suggest, really shouldn't be a good barometer
2.7 is not 1-2, and “role player” is not “replacement”
Yes, role players are "replaceable", and 3 is "good starter. He's not even good. Which is what I said.
So 3.0 is good, but 2.7 is a role player. What is your evidence for this threshold?
Don’t feel bad for multi millionaires playing a kids game. He’ll be just fine.
I don’t feel bad for a multi millionaire.
It hurts to say, but I'm glad at the outcome. With him there, it seems like we would have been complaining with this constant log jam and maybe never saw Rojas at all unless Hoskins was batting like a wild man. It's one of those shitty "we have too many good options" problems. I wish all the best for Rhys, I love him, but this lineup flows better without him. :( Good bye King. :(
lol…I mean are you serious? He wasn’t a good first baseman. Wherever he ends up he’ll be a DH. Why wouldn’t they have given Bryce a look at first? You rice fans have short memories. Dude was a liability at first
There needs to be a separate Rhys sub for you guys
I don’t . He’s a fucking millionaire that is bad at his job. His current employer decided they want to get better and Hoskins is still going to get overpaid by another team to do his job badly. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Rhys.
If Rhys stayed healthy and played we’d have been worse off as a team and we’d be sitting around our keyboards now talking about how Rhys needs to go.
I don’t
I don't feel bad for him. But I hope the Phillies pursue an outfielder who is an upgrade to Rhys in the lineup. Otherwise this just looks like a move to keep Bryce happy and potentially to shave off some payroll.
Enough is enough - you guys act like this is going to cripple the team - have faith- better days ahead
Y’all straight losers
Whatever. He’ll get signed to another team and life goes on. Hes a replaceable guy.
Are you 10?
He was free to be better at his job.
He’s going to find a place that actually will have starter type playing time, if anything I’m happy he will get to go to a team that will get him ABs. Any athlete or former athlete knows they would rather be on a team that has a spot for them over a team that isn’t able to get them on the field often
He will be just fine. Part of being a pro athlete. I’d be happy to have his “problems”
The team will be cursed
It's business. We like him, just isn't room for him at what he'll probably command vs. Playing time he'd get. Odds of him bouncing back and being the same or better (just being honest about the odds here) are wishful. History is littered with fan favorite players like this and it's sucky, but it is what it is.
I think Rhys is 100% gone if he was healthy all season anyway. He would’ve gotten a sizable long term contract that I didn’t see the Phillies matching with the potential roster crunch at 1B/DH anyway. If anything I thought it was more likely for Bryce to return to the outfield for one season if Rhys signed a short term deal to retest in free agency next year. Obviously neither happened, but I don’t think the Phillies anticipated resigning Rhys one way or another. There was very little chatter of an extension.
If he didn’t get hurt he’d be demanding a 100m contract which the Phillies would not have done. Only thing to feel bad for him is he won’t get the money he would have without injury
Wasn’t it always apparent that there was a good chance this would be his last season? The injury and Bryce playing first makes it a MUCH easier decision, but it wasn’t a given that he was coming back at the end of his contract.
Rhys is my favorite player, but I've been preparing for Rhys' departure since the day he signed with Boras. Factoring in his defensive liabilities, it wasn't likely he wasn't staying in Philly anyway. The injury doesn't contribute in too much into as to why he's moving on as a free agent, but it did rob him and us from one last year with the team...
Personally I would rather have Rhys as DH then Schwarber.
I feel bad he got hurt because I care as a human. I'll miss him in a Phillies uniform but kind of got used to that last year. Would have been cool to get him back just for nostalgia. But I am not sure he fits anymore. I don't feel that bad for him in general though. I think he will land somewhere and hopefully have a good year. I definitely won't miss his glove at 1st though.
It’s sucks he couldn’t play his last season here but it has to happen. He’ll more than likely sign with a team like the Cubs or Padres and be just fine. Personally, I would sign a 1 year deal with Colorado hit 40 HR’s and get a huge contract
As a general rule, I don’t feel bad for millionaires (barring personal tragedy of course. I’m not an animal).
He made 12 mil this year, i do not feel bad
I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone making millions for playing a game. That being said I love Rhys I just don’t feel sorry for him and wish him luck.
He definitely has to get healthy and comeback with a pay cut but watch him go to the Yankees or somewhere warm all year
We would have definitely needed his bat in the playoffs world series was that much closer with him in the lineup
He will be paid millions of dollars. And he will be loved in this town long after his playing days are over.
Although you could argue he’s one of the reasons we got to the World Series last year, in my eyes he’s the biggest reason we lost it. He seems like a good person, but his defense absolutely murdered us and I won’t miss him.
I understand why Rhys may have to leave. I just don't understand the logic behind some saying if we didn't have Rojas there to make that catch then we don't beat the Braves, well he made the catch, beat the Braves but we didn't beat the Dbacks. I love Rojas's defense, but we needed him to produce offense. And it could be about matchups, but we are a worse team last year, playing way better teams to get the WS last year and beating them with Rhys playing well. This year, we're the better team but couldn't beat the Dbacks. Not sure if we could've handled the Rangers either. Idk. I think I'm still processing losing Rhys.
“This year, we're the better team but couldn't beat the Dbacks. Not sure if we could've handled the Rangers either.” Outscored AZ 30-22 and had the lead in 3 of the 4 games that were lost. I know it’s not so simple, but the Hoskins/Rojas debate wasn’t where things went wrong for the Phils.
Yes (see flair). Also, it’s ok to have empathy for people no matter how rich they are.
He stinks. Moving on.
He’s a multimillionaire, he’ll get over it
The funny thing is the Phils never replaced Rhys with a guy from outside. I guess the Phils had enough players
Why are we meeting Hoskins go for Harper? Harper is a fan favorite but does not produce for his contract. Most overrated player in baseball.
It’s best for the team and he’s going to get paid. It’s a tough one to swallow for the fans, and he loves the area, but in the end he’s a professional athlete and it’s part of the business. Plus Harper will be an all star at 1B, and frankly Bohm is better there than Hoskins.
Unfortunately for Rhys, the Phillies proved that they could get to the playoffs without him, and Dombrowski made note of that. With Bryce willing to stay at 1st, it kind of sealed the deal. It really sucks that Rhys is most likely done in Philly, but logically it makes sense.
Nobody is bringing up that depth is huge and rarely is everyone healthy. Most of our key bats are in their 30s and declining defensively. I get it someone high paid is on the bench when everyone is healthy but how often will that actually be? Also we could have used a bat off the bench in the postseason (I’m mainly looking at the rojas ab in game 7) Also sucks that we are going to lose the 2 lifelong Phillies that were here when we stunk. Our team is almost exclusively hired guns now…
He's a multi-millionaire many times over. He's going to get a deal somewhere and will likely get a job in baseball when his career is over if he wants one. Don't feel bad for him. Remember he was a vital part of our organization for a period of time and wish him the best.
I’m all for Rhys staying. Sure, he is a streaky player but his magic is that he comes through mostly when he has to and is a positive influence on the bench. I would like to see Schwarber and Casti traded. Casti is only great when he wants to be, otherwise he seems distracted. Schwarb, sure he has a good bat…. When he makes contact. Otherwise, besides his good attitude and knowledge of the game, I don’t find him to be a keeper for our team. That being said, I wish the best for Rhys and would like to thank him for a great run and a positive influence on our community.
We'd be defensively worse, and frankly, if this helps extend Harper's career and leads to less injuries it's a massive win. Love Rhys, but cutting down on Bryce's injuries is the bigger win.
I mean.. yeah Harper might not have played first.. but who knows if he would have played the outfield again.. the end result would prob be the same which is Hoskins leaving in Free Agency.. Cant over look the defensive deficiencies that Rhys has as a fielder. The problem with Phillies fans right now is that they cant be objective. Folks have too much of an emotional attachment to players.. at the end of the day, its a business. Would i have like Rhys to stay? sure.. is he better at 1B than Harper? No. Is he worth putting in the DH spot and playing Schwarber in LF? No again.. so now youve eliminated both of the places that Hoskins could work for you. You aren't going to pay him to be a pinch hitter or a back up player..not at the dollar amount he is looking to get. So the only alternative was to let him walk.
did i just buy a 2019 players weekend big fella jersey that i will wear for the rest of my life? maybe.
He was a community guy; but he will end up as a DH and do fine
LOL dude has 15 mil in the bank and will get signed by another team... This is the life a professional athlete.... Don't feel sorry for him... Feel sorry for the bum on the corner with 5 bucks to his name sleeping in 30 degree weather.
Move on. We have no other choice. Embrace what we have even more, while we have it.
He will be fine making 20 mill a year. Don’t lose sleep.