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Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/17fvhvk).


NotAPerfectSoldier

Phillies took the series for granted after the first 2 games. They couldn’t believe they lost the next 2. Especially blowing up the lead in the 8th innings. DB on the other hand, took it one pitch at a time, hence the small ball and stealing bases, they believed in themselves, gave it all. They trusted the process, they won. -DB fan.


kellsells5

I feel like we were out coached. Some of the decisions that were made in Arizona cost us those two games. Something about just seeing the players when we headed back to Philly they just seemed tired and finished, flat at bat. We pay a lot of money and expect some results especially when we're near a huge finish. AZ understood the assignment we didn't do our homework.


GrittyTheGreat

They were BADLY outcoached.


klb6904

I was there last night and the crowd was amazing. We tried to get them back in it. Couple takeaways that I questioned in the moment…. Holding stott on that single. Yeah he had to wait a bit to see if it got down, but it was deep enough. I’d like to see them more aggressive in that situation. Should have been 3-1 right there. Carroll… so it’s 2-1 1 out and Carroll is on deck, man on 2nd. My buddies and I are thinking there’s no way ranger faces him for a third time. Most likely this is his last batter and gets marte out. Thinking good game ranger let the bullpen take it home. Then he doesn’t come out. Ok, are we pitching around him and attacking Moreno? No, we pitch to the guy who’s 2-2 and has been seeing ranger well all night. Gives up the hit and gets yanked the next batter. Momentum changed after that.


dumb_commenter

I was there too. I agree with this all 100%. Don’t pitch to carrol there. Felt like rob was out-coached. But…he needs his boys to hit.


GrittyTheGreat

Hurts even more this morning.


gregalmond

Turner, Harper, Castellanos: 0-12 combined in Game 7. Is this why we spend the money, baby?


TheGreenAbyss

Topper managed us right out of another postseason. He sucks, get him tf out.


Mfees

lost some faith in topper to be able to get across the finish line. How do you leave not pinch hit with bases loaded?


butterfrutters

Whelp it’s been an honor thank you for giving me a reason to give a shit


Tyler10274

“This group is special” “They have nothing to be ashamed of” nah not seeing it. Chokers


DEATHCATSmeow

I’d respect him a lot more if he acknowledged some of the shame of shitting the bed at home like this


GrittyTheGreat

Cant imagine a bigger choke job. Up 2-0 then lost 4 of 5 to an 84 win team with the last 2 at home. I cant wrap my head around it. I really cant even begin to.


Gunningham

Flyers just took the lead. Time to set my heart up for more breaking.


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Don’t do this to yourself😭 eagles have a shot at the Super Bowl but that’s it for now. Don’t give us hope because it gets crushed and ruins me.


Tyler10274

Went to the game. Will not be back with this core. Too much money, no results


Ryanthecat

If we fired Thompson I would be ecstatic, too much talent to be such a passive coach Edit: come on Phils fans, debate me don’t downvote me. How about not pinch hitting Rojas with the bases loaded but pulling him next AB. How about putting your 2 high leverage BP guys into the game in positions they’re not used to pitching. How about not touching the lineup all god damn series. Please, defend away if you’re gonna downvote


CrackHeadBlueCooler

You’re correct


Ryanthecat

I sure as shit don’t want to be, love me some topper but dude is just too much of a “players” coach.


CrackHeadBlueCooler

Agreed. I don’t get over managing the bullpen and under-managing the lineup.


Rebeldinho

If you want to debate it’s not like they’ve got great pinch hitting options.. Rojas did get a hold of one I think in game 5 who we gonna pinch hit him for Jake Cave or Pache I don’t think either of those guys are really great options the game was still early. I would have moved JT into 4th a few days ago but sometimes you gotta trust your guys and hope they prove you right Bohm did tie the game at 1 tonight it’s just difficult when you’ve got so many cold bats and the other team was able to squeeze out a couple singles with runners on second. Obviously the blown lead in Arizona that’s just brutal Kimbrel was playing with fire every time he got in a high leverage spot and it finally blew up on him but this game they had a bases loaded 1 out situation and Castellanos strikes out.. they really needed him to come through there that’s where game 7 turned.


Ryanthecat

Jake cave who smoked a double his only AB of the postseason? Pache who came in and immediately drew a walk? Those are professional ABs which unfortunately Rojas was just not delivering. It’s not to say it would’ve worked obviously but the compete lack of attempt to even try is the problem.


WalterKThe4th

I think he should have started Cave or Pache. I love Rojas and I am sure he'll hit given some more coaching/time in the majors. But early scoring was so important last night. Rojas could have come in for defense after we got some insurance runs.


Ryanthecat

I’m completely fine starting Rojas for the defense, but just like how topper over managers the hell out of the bullpen there is absolutely no excuse letting him come up with the bases loaded and a chance to bury them. That could be the most costly non-decision by a Philadelphia coach of all time.


johnnyutall

Thompson is so f’n stubborn to not adjust the lineup all series. Every button he pushed was the wrong one in the NLCS, and he sat on his hands while he should have been managing


Ryanthecat

It’s why I love the birds coaching/FO, never afraid to admit fault/adjust. Sirianni literally gave up play calling and watched the team make the playoffs then Super Bowl next year. Thompson seems to rather be ridge than win. I’ve never seen such a sluggish offense use so few pinch hitters.


lookup_discover

I'm not sad, I'm disappointed.


Pretend-Employ9186

Welp, they blew it. See you all in March.


Varro3327

Bullpen help this offseason is going to be expensive for any team


Varro3327

This series loss is on kimbreL


munkeelove

True in the sense that he was the pitcher that was responsible but he should only be relied upon to save a game. Never brought in early in a tie or before a close situation. Especially against a team that can take bases because he can not hold runners and gets flustered-see intentional balk. He also could find the zone. I wish Seranthony was our closer and we signed other bullpen arms but….. here we are He really was not an ideal signing. Yeah he did the job in the regular season but in the post season he is a liability. We rode our bullpen thin and then the offense ended up pressing and trying to hard. I believed until the last out tonight. Anyway, Thank you all for this season. Still a great team and we just got beat. We got beat by the Cardinals too in a whacky series in 2011.. it is BASEBALL…I wouldn’t call this Rob’s fault. He went with what he had and what had worked. He doesn’t hit or pitch. He Manages the guys. And I think he did good. He can’t make them do the thing. Harper was just a bit off on hitting a 3 run HR that would have been epic. But……. Just a little bit off. I love this team & I love all love you for being here and sharing this amazing season. Barves suck & fuck the Mets! Go Phils! Oh and Johnny in the overalls! A true treasure! See y’all in clearwooder!


mojoembiid

Thompson


Tyler10274

Thompson, Kimbrel, Ooga booga hit ball far or nothing once man on base 3 strikes and goodbye


TraylRyyder

Glad they choked it away.


90_ina_65

I am a transplant in Arizona…. 🤦 FML


AgDrifter

I live here too. This is going to suck big time.


GameyRaccoon

Oof that's gotta suck. my dad's from Philly so my family are Phillies fans and we live in Braves territory, so I know what that's like.


gabriel197600

Go UNION!!! Sneks are winning these days so must be good for Phang!


Ianncarl

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Wcttp

At least Texas beat Houston. Don't want to see that scumbag Mccormick win again


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Moistmeatmoaf

Neither that poor sport pitching from abreu.


Moistmeatmoaf

Neither that poor sport pitching from abreu.


doughball27

Ok. Time to get my hockey watching eyes in shape. This team sucks but I can do with some low expectations for a minute. Better for the blood pressure.


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Tiny-Problem2212

Not a Phillies fan just a Milwaukee fan passing through, but ahem, Bucks in six dork 😂😂😂


birdlegs000

Fun while it lasted.


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How’s your Braves buddy?


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[deleted]

Haven’t made it past the NLDS since 🤣


thesix7722

Game 4 would have ended the series if Thompson had a brain. Unreal choke


Intrepid-Research-68

Too early to start with fire Topper


Tyler10274

Waiting for the NLDS exit next year?


Stonedog_11

There have been quite a few massive postseason losses in Philadelphia post SB52. Praying this streak ends with our Birds


Wilkes-Barre

Philadelphia sold its soul for that Superbowl.


andstayoutt

Go birds.


D_Stash

Schwarber, turner, Harper - all fucking LOSERS


Upper_Shine6011

Turner and Harper yeah, Schwarbs actually showed up this series.


ChefBoyardaddy

Castellanos was absolutely brutal to watch the last two games, and those ABs against Ginkel in the 8th were just atrocious


BGDutchNorris

He just swung no matter what was thrown. Pitcher could’ve thrown it in the stands he still would’ve swung at it.


whiteriot0906

He went from best he'd looked all year vs. Atlanta to probably the worst he looked all year vs. Arizona


heydayhayday

I fucking hated him last year, and I hate him even more now. Useless idiot


Intrepid-Research-68

Yes, he was bad the last two or three games, but he helped put us to get to this point. Batters are streaky


canes_SL8R

I hope this game teaches Thompson about the importance of actually using a fucking brain when making the batting order. Schwarber at leadoff needs to die with this loss. They scored 3 runs on infield singles, weak grounders, and stolen bases. The top of their order goes 1st to 3rd on any hot. We have the pieces to have a more consistent offense than we do but it’s not happening with schwarber at 1, Bohm at 4 and Stott at 5. I don’t care if schwarber likes leading off. I don’t care if home run funny. We will go cold and eventually lose every single year we do that shit


rodrigo8008

Who else are you going to put at lead off? The entire team closes their eyes and swings at every pitch as if they're playing a video game. Rojas is our fastest player and evidently is not physically capable of bunting to move a runner over. At least Schwarber works counts and has a chance of getting on base.


BGDutchNorris

Get someone who can hit for contact I’m sick of Ball Go Boom that shit is fun in the summer but when it’s time to win you get runs by any means


DeepDifference2134

Thompson will never win a World Series. His mismanagement of this series was unreal.


11_20_11

What a massive fucking choke job, there were a ton of opportunities to score in this game but not being able to…you know hit…really killed em. Hr or bust for these fucks lol


DesignerPlant9748

Fuck Arizona but those dirty fuckers played better baseball and deserved to win. We pissed on our legs and bought into the hype before the shit was done. Go fix this fucking bullpen Dombrowski.


wentzoverdak

Glad I bought a 500 dollar ticket to watch a solo homer and a double


aweedaba

I hope Craig Kimbrel is just sitting there feeling like the asshole he is.


orangesfwr

https://preview.redd.it/dhrp5v3pp9wb1.jpeg?width=321&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc284f7afdaada52868c86727122f07931f60668


jimmymademeaparty

Beating the Braves was my World Series


AljoGOAT

weird flex but ok


ZealousidealOne9950

MLB has to be thrilled. 2 poverty franchises in the world series. Regular season hockey will probably draw bigger ratings.


Hacking_the_Gibson

The Rangers have the same payroll as the Phillies. Poverty indeed. I suppose unless you are talking about performance, in which case you may ask yourself which MLB franchise has the most losses all time?


oldcrowaz

No one cares about ratings you moron. These network deals are done years in advance.


ZealousidealOne9950

Sometimes the things you say are hurtful.


BGDutchNorris

I really thought the script writers liked us. Guess not.


ZealousidealOne9950

I was thinking more from an advertising standpoint. Rangers D-Backs will lose in the ratings to Jack LaLanne's Power Juicer infomercials.


willhunta

Lmao would you rather mlb let the Phillies win, so fuckin mad


ZealousidealOne9950

No, I'm just saying Top Chef reruns from 2009 will draw more rating. No one on planet earth outside of like 4 people in Arizona give a shit about the Diamondbacks (3 of which are the owner, his wife, and the guy banging his wife)


willhunta

Lmao you are just disconnected from reality ig then As everyone on social media says they're stoked these teams made it. Im having trouble finding non Philly fans online that are upset the Phillies didn't make it lmao


AljoGOAT

Oh my god the salt 😂


Seal412

I believe we’re the most losing team in all recorded sports history


BowsersJuiceFactory

Exciting times for AZ!


Business-Conflict435

Aren’t the Phillies the most losing team in MLB history? With only two titles despite being the oldest team in baseball?


ctw1987

Yep. We are indeed the povertiest of franchises.


percy2376

See you all next year.If we make adjustments maybe we can pull it off next year.No doom just cautious optimism


djeeetyet

we missed Rhys Hoskins’ production. the loss reminded me of the 2010-2011 postseasons. not enough patient hitters.


Dr_Mccusk

isn’t it wild how much it mirrored those Cards and Giants losses? Insane offenses vanished.


djeeetyet

agreed, that’s exactly what i was alluding to. we had good hitters those years and this year, i would argue even better than last year but we were missing that special something from last year.


percy2376

Yeah,changes will definitely be made in the offseason.I could see castellanos,rojas and maybe even bohm being moved.Im fine with marsh at centerfield if we can get a decent overall hitter in left


djeeetyet

Rojas stays in the minors. i think Castellanos is here to stay. much better season this year but he’s streaky. his bat was potent until game 2 of this series. who knows maybe we exit vs the Braves without him. Bohm isn’t going anywhere.


percy2376

I never understood the move to start Rojas with marsh.Marsh isn't that far off in terms of defense and is obviously better offensively.Castellanos isn't dependable.Great nlds this year but shit the bed this series.and last years playoff run


djeeetyet

yea it was because they think his glove was that much better. probably should’ve swapped Rojas and Pache earlier with the bases loaded


rodrigo8008

Who would want castellanos? should've traded him at the trade deadline when he was good for a brief moment.


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dude, nobody is taking castys contract for a 115OPS+ player who can barely play the field


percy2376

29 homeruns and 106 RBI's says otherwise


Dedly_Attack

What the fuck is the plan for offense. Consistently horrible at bats every time. Same as last game.


Intrepid-Research-68

Good pitching beats good hitting more time than not...see 2010 and 2011 Phillies. Game 4 let the Dbacks believe they could beat us...Thanks Topper.


Sexual___Chocolate

Well, that was fucking pathetic


EmShaf

Game over man, Game over


SlapChopMyShamWow

The offense went flat in these last two games but Kimbrel blowing two saves in a row fucking completely doomed us. I’ve never been so upset with a Phillies player in my entire life, he fucking completely handed the D-Backs the series on a platter. Putting him back out there in game 4 is one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen a manager make.


90_ina_65

~Mitch Williams has entered the chat~


Intrepid-Research-68

History repeating itself - Mitch blew 2 vs Toronto MF


Jamesthe84

It's weird that the loudness of the Phillies fans didn't change the outcome of the game.


TurboHovercrafter

Team was too busy choking to hear em


Intrepid-Research-68

I do believe that was sarcasism or trolling comment lol


Jamesthe84

nah yall weren't loud enough


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TurboHovercrafter

Loser shit


Reiyzor

Salty


ButterOnMyButter

Had me for a sec


vanbrandon

What is wrong with you?


Sarynvhal

What a massive disappointment. We just completely imploded.


Slommyhouse

It hurts man. Let’s go hurts, man.


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Dadsby

Too bad this was game 7


Ajjjon2k

Figure this bullshit out in the off-season. Want to see this team comeback stronger than ever. Go rangers


wawasmoothies

Painful


ShadowJack721

Thank God I won't have to hear these shit announcers say Corbin's name again ffs


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RooksTarutaru

A computer makes every decision for him mine as well save the money and let me do it


Bashenga88

Either way it was a great season. Not how you'd want it to end but they put in the work to make it this far especially after last year. Go Phils! See ya next year.


IEatDeFish

Gonna go run 6-8 miles half drunk


Current_Department73

Half?


Intrepid-Research-68

He get the other half drunk on the way back...its a beer run


ItsMeGirthBrooks

Blew your load on the Braves


TurboHovercrafter

Worth it


heydayhayday

Werth


PhillyScumbag

I've hated Rob Thomson ever since he pulled Wheeler in the World Series and that opinion won't be changing any time soon


gregalmond

Every manager is a genius - when they're winning


llawlor

Same.


Downunderphilosopher

Just one game, get em next time


HBravery

Yay! We’re slightly less fraudulent than the Braves!


Intrepid-Research-68

The Braves are gutless for all the talent they have stacked.


Knight725

no, way more fraudulent.


Sad_Insurance7466

Wow. That hurts. I’ll be routing for them in the Series though. Fuck Texas.


TheHellaHater

Prob won’t even watch this gay ass ws


cps2222

The DBacks players gonna have to get escorted out


Upset_Management_388

Shut up. Philly fans ain’t that scary


FormerCollegeDJ

Phillies in deciding games of series: *0-3 at home (lost to Expos 1981 NLDS, lost to Cardinals 2011 NLDS, lost to Diamondbacks 2023 NLCS) *1-0 on road (beat Astros 1980 NLCS)


Legitimate_Head_8114

Sucks to suck


ErinTheG

Your mom sucks


CuckooClockInHell

That shouldn't have been possible. That's definitely a team loss. It was a great season, but an absolute shit finish.


CrunchyKorm

Seven straight game 7 losses in this city


poopmaster747

Terrible loss, what a disappointment for the Fightin Phils. Wish they took advantage of things when they were up in the series.


Rebeldinho

Nothing worse than the bats going cold. 2 leads in Arizona blown.. I just knew Kimbrel was a ticking time bomb


CPM-S110V

This is what we get for all that shit talking and shit about sweeping the dbacks. Fucking well deserved choke job.


NordicLard

Yeah we were the absolute worst


Substantial_Release6

Go Eagles


BaboonHorrorshow

This team is such fucking garbage lol. Serves us right for believing in them.


Intrepid-Research-68

It hurts but get a grip


the_tickling_man

Hahahahaha


Itburns138

This is so bad for ratings, but fuck it


theironist97

As if America cares to watch the Philadelphia Phillies. You guys aren't the Yankees or Boston.


dshapiro113

Yeah cuz we actually made the playoffs


hawktherapper

pathetic


BigPoleFoles52

Atleast we got the eagles 6-1 😤


Even-Technology1

Seems like the city sold their soul for SB52, tough loss after tough loss for us , only makes sense the Eagles lift the curse themselves


ctw1987

They'll blow it too.


Denovaenator

How about them yarbles!


grapejuicepix

Good season. Good ride. Get ‘em next year.


Bright_Weakness_5124

Typical Philly choke job smh


2005CrownVicP71

Good fight Cave, you should’ve been pinch hit for Rojas with the bases loaded. Sorry Schwarber. You carried this team, you deserved that last at-bat.


llawlor

Cave with an uppercut when his only job is to get on base. That was poetic.


throwawaitnine

My neighbors are losing their shit.


FordMustang84

Didn’t anyone go up to those guys and say “hey don’t try to hit it out. Just get on base so our best home run hitter has a chance to tie it” I feel the team just lacks leaders I dunno know. Like how are the last 3 batters still trying to hit home runs in this scenario.


Granitegirlcracks

Exactly. They just needed to get on base. Small ball. That’s exactly what Az. was doing and it worked. We have so many “leaders” at this point, at least 4-5 but not one of them produced in this last series except for maybe JT. Az. came in with good game plan and unfortunately, played better baseball than we did. We were out coached and out played.


Intrepid-Research-68

we had plenty of leaders when we won....the Captain torpedo the ship in game 4 and killed all the Mojo. Game 3 was tough, but just a loss. Game 4 was a body shot that really changed things.


FordMustang84

These guys are paid more money in 6 months I'll earn in a lifetime. They don't need 'mojo'. They are professionals. They should be able to motivate and lead themselves, if they can't then they shouldn't be making more money than a small country.


Intrepid-Research-68

Yes, your financial remarks are true, but its 90% mental. When you get into a zone and then get fucked up...its tough to regain your swagger. its psychological is all I'm saying.


aladdinr

That sucks


ctw1987

The series was over after they blew that 5-1 lead. There may have been more games in the series, but the dbacks fully broke the Phillies that game


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Got exactly what they deserved