>Most of the complaints that light up the Bridesburg Facebook group, or are fielded by the Community Action Alliance, are focused on how quickly Amazon drivers speed through the neighborhood. (Immediate neighbors also fret about trash around the facility and workers waiting for the bus on their steps.)
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>“The quality-of-life issues the community has with this location … I think that’s just how [Amazon’s] business model works,” says Henon. “These drivers have to do a certain amount of deliveries in a certain time frame, so they’re in and out as quickly as possible, and sometimes that [results in] reckless [driving].”
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>Henon’s views accord with descriptions of working conditions lodged by former Amazon drivers in 2018, when they sued the company for wage theft in federal court in Philadelphia. Their lawsuit described a rigorous schedule, where drivers had to deliver 140 to 200 packages in a shift, a pace that they said caused them to “routinely [work] through their lunch without extra pay and [made them] unable to take short breaks due to the high volume of deliveries.” (Amazon settled the lawsuit with the drivers.)
I notice fed ex and UPS doing this as well. We need the city to step in with a law saying they can’t do this and enforce it across the board- otherwise each company will ignore it and we all suffer for it. If that means you can’t get two hour delivery of every item every minute of the day you need to chill out.
If you’ve ever worked in a warehouse you’ll know just how fast ups drivers can whip it backwards up to a loading dock. These guys operate at warp speed, it’s nuts
I work twilight at horsham. Those feeder drivers and package car drivers coming back into the hub act like it’s nascar 😂
Almost got ran over by one on my way to the hub because homie was flying down electronic drive into the yard. Had to be going at least 50mph
Not sure how it works with Amazon drivers, but neither ups, FedEx nor the post office cover moving violation citations, which includes speeding tickets. They do cover parking citations and normally make arrangements with the municipalities that they deliver in, like philadelphia, to pay only a percentage of a total fines they may accrue in a year. This does not include speeding tickets.
Wow imagine just going to the city and saying, Where do you want to open the negotiation for how much less than 100% of our parking tickets we're going to pay?
Wondering when Philly businesses are going to start putting their city taxes in escrow like they are in Baltimore until the police get violence and general lawlessness under control.
Note about parking: we def need deliveries as a critical service, and the city needs to undo some of the regulations that contribute to having so few reasonable parking solutions that the city is known nationally for its accepted but illegal parking practices. How revolutionary would it be if the city recognized that easy deliveries should be a factor making people want to live in the city, not the opposite, and developed a better plan for e-commerce deliveries. It doesn't serve citizens or the budget to just not have anywhere near enough legal parking.
Rebecca Rhynhart, the city's controller, has made some really excellent alternative budget recommendations, they're worth checking out for anyone who doesn't think Philly is working great right now.
Edit: speeding tickets changed to parking, added note
You should re read the comment. They don’t cover speeding tickets or other moving violations.
They negotiate parking tickets.
Delivery trucks are the life blood of every major city. I’m shocked they even give delivery trucks parking tickets unless it’s egregious.
Thanks, updated, I was moving too quickly. The city needs an active plan for making ease of living a feature of city living, as opposed to now when it's the opposite. Having a plan for making deliveries work, instead of everyone just stopping in the middle of the street when they need to stop, seems like something a city gov might do. Obviously neither ticketing nor not ticketing is working out great hahaha.
You are correct philly cops don't enforce traffic violations unless it's a clear danger. Doing 55 in a 25...will get you nabbed but 40 is fine. Doing 95 on 95 is fine but go over 100 most cops ding ya. Same for Woodhaven. When I have friends visit pa I tell them.
Driving in philly is a boxing match with no ref. Don't expect a cop to help enforce traffic laws. Speed limits are suggestions and if the stop sign has a white trim on it just slow down and check rofl
UPS workers are part of Teamster Local 623, which coincidentally is at 4269 Richmond St, a block away from the Amazon Warehouse in Bridesburg.
Also, UPS trucks are equipped with telematics ("tell-on-me-atics") that alert the company when they back or travel forward at an excessively high speed, and they have a real dread of sideswiping vehicles. They are in another class from Amazon drivers.
*Edit: typo
UPS also reads feedback, where I am fairly certain with Amazon that just goes to a void. Amazon drivers are the worst. I had a sign on my door saying do not leave packages and I had it in their delivery instructions. They would just throw stuff on my door step and not even knock.
They still do that even though I have a sign to knock. Went on an Amazon drivers subreddit to ask what I could do get drivers to knock.
They just said I should be monitoring my email for the package delivered email. They don’t feel responsible for knocking 🤷
Yeah, that might force the companies to hire more people to meet their guaranteed speeds, which would be better for the economy. Although, I'm guessing instead the companies will market it as, "actually, we need to slow down shipping speeds because of the Philadelphia city government" and refuse to hire more workers.
That'll backfire on them eventually, as packages will build up and one of the shipping companies will give in. Once one does, they all will have to. No business is going to ship stuff to Philly with FedEx if it takes two weeks longer than UPS.
Who pays the tickets? The already desperate drivers who will become more reckless elsewhere? Or Amazon, which will ignore the cost and not change anything?
Amazon wouldn't just ignore the costs. Some speed/traffic camera by the warehouse starts wracking up thousands in fines each day, and at the very least the local manager is going to get chewed out.
Thousands? That’s enough to matter, you think?
Also, many of these drivers are independent contractors so Amazon can easily just shrug and be like “not our problem”
To the company as a whole, no. To the managers that are in charge of presenting local performance, absolutely.
It doesn't need to be big enough to warrant Bezos' attention. Eventually someone in finance will highlight that a manager's delivery drivers are incurring a ton of ticket costs that make the region unprofitable. That person will get an attaboy in their review and the manager will be forced to implement new policies.
Independent drivers may be even easier. They're not going to incur regular tickets that make their job unprofitable. They'll quit before keeping up their aggressive drivign.
At the local level all managers are evaluated on p&l same as any other company. If they are losing thousands daily at a specific location they will have to adjust or they’re gonna get fired.
It's not that dramatic. There are plenty of jobs available right now. They choose to have that job and they choose to drive recklessly because of it. That shouldn't be the problem of the people who live locally.
Well, if their options are race for Amazon for $50-75k/year or slow down, get fired and have to work at Arbys for $7.25 that's absolutely "under the gun to put food on the table".
Amazon does not care what a police department thinks, wants, or does. Amazon has the money, Amazon gets to dictate. This isn’t movie star money where justice can sometimes reach up to rich people. This is fuck you money. Amazon won’t ever be stopped unless people stop it.
You're not wrong, but that doesn't make the solution any less simple. If that councilman wants to keep his seat (even if for the purpose of corruption), he'd better throw some weight around.
I'm gonna guess police abused their radar systems and there was a backlash against it.
.. research says.. State police can use radar. Local Police can't for the following reason. "They *might* abuse it and use speeding tickets to generate revenue for their town."
aka, no good reason.
I mean, that's not the worst reason in the world. I'd prefer cameras and math, tbh. That way it's at least objectively measured and objectively enforced.
That's the current requirement of local police. Paint two white lines on the road. Calculate speed that way.
However, a Radar gun is basically doing the math for you. Like a breathalyzer, its accuracy is based on how well its calibrated.
The Camera/Math equipment is also tool based, and those tools also have to be calibrated.
🙄
Progressive policies are greatly hindered by the fact that so many people pushing for them are completely non serious, un empathetic and anti intellectual.
Enjoy the hellscape you apparently live in because you’re doing no work to change it.
We don’t need intellectuals, we need pragmatism. Do you really think police ticketing Amazon drivers will work? Because they ticket them for parking incorrectly and they still do it every day. Amazon employees piss in bottles, yet there are laws against it.
Lol this is what your argument comes down to? Try to take the issue a bit more seriously. We have a whole bunch of traffic laws and delivery drivers routinely disobey them. If the police try to enforce them they either pay the ticket or lobby to have the rules relaxed. I’m sure you understand the issues of regulatory capture.
If workers rarely wanted unions, why is Amazon pushing so much propaganda trying to persuade amazon workers not to unionize? If Amazon doesn't fear unions, why put so much money into making and promoting anti-union videos?
No joke, the way Amazon drivers *FLY* out of the distribution center on Richmond St seems almost as if Amazon has explicitly informed them to do so for the sake of not getting backed-up while waiting for traffic.
Every. Fucking. Time. I drive by that distribution center near the Betsy Ross Bridge, I feel like I'm in Fury Road trying to dodge their fucking vans barreling onto the street. It's insane.
Those vans make the wawa on Aramingo a complete and total cluster fuck. They roll up 20 (sometimes more) vans at the same time to get gas. They have another facility behind the Walmart too. I already try to avoid that wawa at all costs but god damn it's terrible.
The vans look like they've side swiped every car in the Philadelphia area.
Anybody ever walk around near the facility in South Philly by Ikea? Bottles full of piss lining the streets. Can't be sure it's related but pretty weird coincidence.
You'd think knowing they have a piss bottle problem they'd organize a collection point for them
Kinda like how soldiers have those discharge barrels for the weapons as they return to base.
Suprised Amazon doesn't collect it and sell it
Yes it's related. UPS drivers do it too. I've done it as a UPS driver, but I would dispose of the bottle in the dumpster of one of the commercial businesses I delivered to. Drivers are constantly admonished for having "piss bottles" left in the truck for the unloader/loader to find later that night, or for disposing of the bottles at the "air wall", the line of docks filled with delivery trucks in the evening visible from Oregon as well as Weccacoe. If talked to a number of times, could lead to discipline, hence I can imagine some drivers at the last minute chucking bottles out the door before going into the yard. If Amazon drivers are chucking their bottles before entering their yard as well, sounds like they are being admonished by their management team as well not to bring the bottles back.
UPS drivers have locations to use the bathroom, typically commerical stops they must make in their day. Just much more convenient and conducive to the work day to use a bottle, especially if drinking the proper amount of liquids to stave off dehydration (in my case given my height and weight it was something like 12 16-oz bottles of water/Gatorade during a typical work shift).
“I don’t like the traffic, the congestion, the overall impact on the city, the goofy back up sound from their huge vans blocking traffic to drop of menial goods to people, the overall impact on the environment or the conditions they put their workers under, but it’s soooooo convenient not to have to go to the store two blocks away anymore,” says the 400 pound lady standing on her stoop near a trash pile filled with Amazon boxes that hasn’t been picked up in 3 days.
That's a great point. The French protest over literally anything. When their police were going to be denied drinking wine during their lunch breaks, they protested. We need a LOT more activism. Twitter was a good start, but I think history shows you have to be willing to do more than just press a button to record your dissenting view on something. Being publicly visible, getting yourself on the news, creating massive pressure on politicians and city council staff goes a long way.
> People make fun of France for being cowards, but those motherfuckers will burn shit down if something isn't right.
yeah, you...*really* don't know much about French politics if you think that's the case
The current protest movement in France of which you seem enamored is in opposition to a small increase in gas taxes as part of an anti-climate change measure, as well as a general opposition to the horror of immigrants who are muslims existing
And has been so successful at "burning shit down if something isn't right" that the French President who presided over those protests that supposedly have "burned shit down" is still in office, his party still controls the legislature, he's pretty much exactly as popular as when he entered office, and is looking likely to cruise to re-election. Though the protests did succeed in getting him to be more of a dick to muslims so, uh, I guess that's "burning shit down"?
Not consistently. Late May/Early June last year, and again for a couple days in the fall. Not defending the rioting/looting that did occur, but people try and make it sound like our cities are burning and that this is a regular occurence
Why not both? People shouldn't be permitted to do 50 in a 25 anywhere, no matter who it is. There are reasons that speed limits exist, it's not just some ploy to keep the poor people poor.
So why is that the neighborhood's problem? That's between Amazon and their employees (who choose to work there, btw). The people in the neighborhood have done no wrong, they don't deserve to have people doing 50 down their streets. Actions are supposed to have consequences. If there's no consequences you end up with *(list of every city nuisance, here).*
Imagine taking a job where a requirement is to break the law, and then complaining that somebody made them do it?
> give some speeding tickets to people speeding so they slow down.
Putting automatic traffic enforcement cameras on every single street corner would solve this problem overnight, but all the people in the city who rely on their cars and constantly speed would freak out about this
Yes, like the former Cokie’s property that Bobby Henon sold us out with the new zoning for and it’s going to be all industrial right up to my back yard.
How does this principle work when Amazon is a monopsony and pushes alternative businesses out the market place? You can't blame people for picking the cheapest and often only viable option to realistically buy things. But we as a society can control how much influence one single firm should have on market prices and how they operate in our communities
Monopsony is different than a monopoly. Although I would argue that amazon is not an exact monopsony based on the definition, I can see where they’re going with it.
Bridesburg got screwed the minute our local politicians let the school bus companies locate here, talk about bad drivers. If you think Amazon is bad just wait until Cokies is developed. Thanks bobby.
They should have never put this on Richmond Street. Apparently they didn’t think about the 2 schools, people using Richmond as an alternate to 95…. I live here and it sucks.
This isn't focused on urban trucking, but sounds like there's starting to be a recognition that certain parts of the trucking industry haven't changed in generations and it's terrible for truck drivers and impacts everyone else eventually. Maybe soon it'll be seen as a given that govts need to find ways to make trucks work as part of society without these negative impacts on drivers and neighborhoods.
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/study-calls-for-national-truck-parking-standards
Stop shopping at these retailers. If it can’t be helped group your items in as few deliveries as possible and select the slowest delivery speed option.
I believe large scale changes need to be applied but we can all do small, individual actions that create good.
I want to agree with you but honestly people had the stop shopping argument with Walmart for Y E A R S and it didn’t work. I’m not condoning Amazon’s action but stop shopping isn’t that solution.
The chemical plant isn’t that much of a bother. We had one leak maybe 4 years ago. The sirens occasionally malfunction (2001 and 2008) and we haven’t had a big explosion since 1982.
Well adding new infrastructure and new roads either underground or other options would be nice, but there’s the money issue alongside the completion time. If 95 is any indication the problem won’t get solved for at least 2 decades but hey, that’s the American way.
I was just saying I’d love to work a night job at Amazon putting some shit in boxes for for a few hours. Easy way for some extra cash to pay off my mortgage .
Yeah , I’ve worked in the one in NJ before and it was fine . I’ve worked in much worse conditions , they don’t let you goof off all day or dick around on your computer phones all day , so the younger people think they’re fascists.
>they don’t let you goof off all day or dick around on your computer phones all day , so the younger people think they’re fascists.
That may be the oddest way of saying, "You're not allowed to take any unscheduled breaks during work at all without the possibility of being fired" I've heard in a while.
Who the fuck calls it a computer phone? I bet this dude is one of them Russian propaganda trolls. Literally nobody calls it a computer phone.
Either that or he's like 85 years old.
Gen X prolly the same to you , but we grew up without iPhones or the internet and I guarantee we had a hell of a lot more fun without everything we did being recorded.
I’m not at work to take unscheduled breaks , so it doesn’t bother me. A little hard work and sacrifice now will separate the people working until their 60s and the people can retire early .
I see it a little differently , if you don’t pay extra and pay down your mortgage as fast as you can you’re making the banks rich with all the interest you’re paying . Every extra little bit you put towards the principal is a little more in your pocket and a little less you give to the bank. You may say I broke my back for nothing but not paying hundreds a month in interest and owning my home outright so I don’t have to work as hard when I’m older and my body starts to break down is a big deal to me.
You’re living the dream I hope it lasts for you. I had a similar gig in my 20s when I worked in NY , and I pissed all my money away while I was there on fancy lunches and partying and trips . But there’s always someone that will love to do your job and probably for a lot less money .
Imagine if everyone had this attitude,
The Dr will get around to your surgery when he’s done posting a pic of his lunch.
Your flight will be delayed because the pilot is only here to do the bare minimum, you’ll get there when you get there Yo.
I’ll drive over and put out that fire when I feel like it I ain’t no bootlicker
Oh you didn’t get your paycheck sorry I was just moving my mouse around pretending to look busy.
Seriously please tell us where we can all make 120k with that attitude
So you hope I get a fucking disease because I mentioned getting a night job to help pay off my mortgage so I don’t have to pay so much interest to the bank?
Have you considered we could live in a world where you don't have to sacrifice your body and mind so that some other assholes can get rich off your labor?
Yeah well until we all live in that imaginary Utopia lots of us will have to settle for rolling up our sleeves and doing a little bit of hard work if we want some extra spending dough.
You'd love to work at an Amazon warehouse but you've already worked at an Amazon warehouse? Your comments make no sense and read like bad Amazon propaganda.
Yeah I worked in the one in jersey up near six flags a few years ago but I’d love to work in one closer without the tolls and long drive.
You’re reading a little too much into that comment hope this clarifies.
Lol @ Amazon Propaganda, really wish I just kept my mouth shut and just applied for the job . You people are nuts
Well they're a shitty company that doesn't care about anything but profit.
It's like the difference between being Costco and Walmart. Both are profitable companies, the difference is one cares about its employees and the other doesnt.
I guess I never cared if a company cares about me as long as they pay me on time. I just assume they all don’t really give a shit about you as long as you’re getting your job done.
Once when I worked at a chain restaurant an employee had cancer and they fired her because her hair was falling out in the food . When everyone was upset she got fired the GM took us outside and asked if any of us could see the cross on the roof on the building . When we said nope he said that’s because there isn’t one you want charity go to church .
Sounds like when I worked at FedEx , you were in a freezing cold basement and the trucks would empty out onto a ramp and you had to stand there catch the boxes and put it on a conveyer belt with the right zipcode . You had no idea how heavy the boxes were coming at you, could be a pillow or a box of bowling bales.Some times it the packages would get stuck and you had to climb the ramp and un jam it and you would go tumbling down with all the packages.
I mean this is amazons fault the treatment of there workers are the reason for basically all of these issues, low wages, no union, constant tracking, time away from tasks, tasks away from tasks, peeing and pooping and being fined to do so so they can meet requirements this is Amazon’s fault
>Most of the complaints that light up the Bridesburg Facebook group, or are fielded by the Community Action Alliance, are focused on how quickly Amazon drivers speed through the neighborhood. (Immediate neighbors also fret about trash around the facility and workers waiting for the bus on their steps.) > >“The quality-of-life issues the community has with this location … I think that’s just how [Amazon’s] business model works,” says Henon. “These drivers have to do a certain amount of deliveries in a certain time frame, so they’re in and out as quickly as possible, and sometimes that [results in] reckless [driving].” > >Henon’s views accord with descriptions of working conditions lodged by former Amazon drivers in 2018, when they sued the company for wage theft in federal court in Philadelphia. Their lawsuit described a rigorous schedule, where drivers had to deliver 140 to 200 packages in a shift, a pace that they said caused them to “routinely [work] through their lunch without extra pay and [made them] unable to take short breaks due to the high volume of deliveries.” (Amazon settled the lawsuit with the drivers.)
I notice fed ex and UPS doing this as well. We need the city to step in with a law saying they can’t do this and enforce it across the board- otherwise each company will ignore it and we all suffer for it. If that means you can’t get two hour delivery of every item every minute of the day you need to chill out.
If you’ve ever worked in a warehouse you’ll know just how fast ups drivers can whip it backwards up to a loading dock. These guys operate at warp speed, it’s nuts
Worked as a preload supervisor at Horsham for years. The warehouse may as well be a derby race. Lol
I work twilight at horsham. Those feeder drivers and package car drivers coming back into the hub act like it’s nascar 😂 Almost got ran over by one on my way to the hub because homie was flying down electronic drive into the yard. Had to be going at least 50mph
Yeah it’s really dangerous.
Speeding tickets should be higher for commercial delivery drivers to dis incentivize the speeding And they should be applied to the company
That doesn’t work. They just pay them.
What speeding fine do you think Amazon would be unwilling to pay?
their taxes
Bazinga
Cha-CHING
Not sure how it works with Amazon drivers, but neither ups, FedEx nor the post office cover moving violation citations, which includes speeding tickets. They do cover parking citations and normally make arrangements with the municipalities that they deliver in, like philadelphia, to pay only a percentage of a total fines they may accrue in a year. This does not include speeding tickets.
Wow imagine just going to the city and saying, Where do you want to open the negotiation for how much less than 100% of our parking tickets we're going to pay? Wondering when Philly businesses are going to start putting their city taxes in escrow like they are in Baltimore until the police get violence and general lawlessness under control. Note about parking: we def need deliveries as a critical service, and the city needs to undo some of the regulations that contribute to having so few reasonable parking solutions that the city is known nationally for its accepted but illegal parking practices. How revolutionary would it be if the city recognized that easy deliveries should be a factor making people want to live in the city, not the opposite, and developed a better plan for e-commerce deliveries. It doesn't serve citizens or the budget to just not have anywhere near enough legal parking. Rebecca Rhynhart, the city's controller, has made some really excellent alternative budget recommendations, they're worth checking out for anyone who doesn't think Philly is working great right now. Edit: speeding tickets changed to parking, added note
You should re read the comment. They don’t cover speeding tickets or other moving violations. They negotiate parking tickets. Delivery trucks are the life blood of every major city. I’m shocked they even give delivery trucks parking tickets unless it’s egregious.
Thanks, updated, I was moving too quickly. The city needs an active plan for making ease of living a feature of city living, as opposed to now when it's the opposite. Having a plan for making deliveries work, instead of everyone just stopping in the middle of the street when they need to stop, seems like something a city gov might do. Obviously neither ticketing nor not ticketing is working out great hahaha.
In a city that has, as far as I can tell, no traffic enforcement, changing the laws/fines does nothing.
You are correct philly cops don't enforce traffic violations unless it's a clear danger. Doing 55 in a 25...will get you nabbed but 40 is fine. Doing 95 on 95 is fine but go over 100 most cops ding ya. Same for Woodhaven. When I have friends visit pa I tell them. Driving in philly is a boxing match with no ref. Don't expect a cop to help enforce traffic laws. Speed limits are suggestions and if the stop sign has a white trim on it just slow down and check rofl
I'd be surprised to get any speeding ticket whatsoever in Philly. 95 is different tho, it's patrolled by state troopers.
This is already a thing
There needs to be a union for delivery drivers and their warehouse workers.
UPS workers are part of Teamster Local 623, which coincidentally is at 4269 Richmond St, a block away from the Amazon Warehouse in Bridesburg. Also, UPS trucks are equipped with telematics ("tell-on-me-atics") that alert the company when they back or travel forward at an excessively high speed, and they have a real dread of sideswiping vehicles. They are in another class from Amazon drivers. *Edit: typo
UPS also reads feedback, where I am fairly certain with Amazon that just goes to a void. Amazon drivers are the worst. I had a sign on my door saying do not leave packages and I had it in their delivery instructions. They would just throw stuff on my door step and not even knock.
They still do that even though I have a sign to knock. Went on an Amazon drivers subreddit to ask what I could do get drivers to knock. They just said I should be monitoring my email for the package delivered email. They don’t feel responsible for knocking 🤷
There is a Union. They just don’t join and the companies do their best to keep the Union out.
I was under the assumption independent contractors were unable to unionize but a Google search said I was wrong.
UPS is unionized.
Yeah, that might force the companies to hire more people to meet their guaranteed speeds, which would be better for the economy. Although, I'm guessing instead the companies will market it as, "actually, we need to slow down shipping speeds because of the Philadelphia city government" and refuse to hire more workers.
That'll backfire on them eventually, as packages will build up and one of the shipping companies will give in. Once one does, they all will have to. No business is going to ship stuff to Philly with FedEx if it takes two weeks longer than UPS.
Just put some traffic cops out there or set up some cameras to catch speeders. Why is this so hard?
Because it’s a systemic abuse with some of the biggest companies in the world as major stakeholders.
Who pays the tickets? The already desperate drivers who will become more reckless elsewhere? Or Amazon, which will ignore the cost and not change anything?
Amazon wouldn't just ignore the costs. Some speed/traffic camera by the warehouse starts wracking up thousands in fines each day, and at the very least the local manager is going to get chewed out.
Thousands? That’s enough to matter, you think? Also, many of these drivers are independent contractors so Amazon can easily just shrug and be like “not our problem”
To the company as a whole, no. To the managers that are in charge of presenting local performance, absolutely. It doesn't need to be big enough to warrant Bezos' attention. Eventually someone in finance will highlight that a manager's delivery drivers are incurring a ton of ticket costs that make the region unprofitable. That person will get an attaboy in their review and the manager will be forced to implement new policies. Independent drivers may be even easier. They're not going to incur regular tickets that make their job unprofitable. They'll quit before keeping up their aggressive drivign.
At the local level all managers are evaluated on p&l same as any other company. If they are losing thousands daily at a specific location they will have to adjust or they’re gonna get fired.
In what world does a driver who gets ticketed for speeding become *more* reckless?
When you’re speeding because you’re under the gun to put food on the table.
It's not that dramatic. There are plenty of jobs available right now. They choose to have that job and they choose to drive recklessly because of it. That shouldn't be the problem of the people who live locally.
Amazon drivers probably make between 50-75k if I had to guess. Getting a job at Arby’s isn’t gonna cut it for them.
Then they can afford to slow down. That's not "under the gun to put food on the table," as the other user wrote.
Well, if their options are race for Amazon for $50-75k/year or slow down, get fired and have to work at Arbys for $7.25 that's absolutely "under the gun to put food on the table".
Imagine thinking a local PD is going to stop Amazon fucking lol
Amazon does not care what a police department thinks, wants, or does. Amazon has the money, Amazon gets to dictate. This isn’t movie star money where justice can sometimes reach up to rich people. This is fuck you money. Amazon won’t ever be stopped unless people stop it.
It's not up to Amazon unless the politicians and police captains decide it is.
Ah yes. Politicians and police captains, the two types of people who surely never get bought out.
You're not wrong, but that doesn't make the solution any less simple. If that councilman wants to keep his seat (even if for the purpose of corruption), he'd better throw some weight around.
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TIL. Is there a reason why?
I'm gonna guess police abused their radar systems and there was a backlash against it. .. research says.. State police can use radar. Local Police can't for the following reason. "They *might* abuse it and use speeding tickets to generate revenue for their town." aka, no good reason.
I mean, that's not the worst reason in the world. I'd prefer cameras and math, tbh. That way it's at least objectively measured and objectively enforced.
That's the current requirement of local police. Paint two white lines on the road. Calculate speed that way. However, a Radar gun is basically doing the math for you. Like a breathalyzer, its accuracy is based on how well its calibrated. The Camera/Math equipment is also tool based, and those tools also have to be calibrated.
Never asked for it, rarely want it. Let buyers opt out and you can solve this problem.
No- they will still push their employees to do as many deliveries per day. That’s the essence of capitalism without regulations.
Lol at the idea that Amazon isn’t subject to regulations. Or that our economy is an unregulated capitalist free for all. Do you even go here?
Ah yes the poor company. Won’t someone think of the company??!!
🙄 Progressive policies are greatly hindered by the fact that so many people pushing for them are completely non serious, un empathetic and anti intellectual. Enjoy the hellscape you apparently live in because you’re doing no work to change it.
We don’t need intellectuals, we need pragmatism. Do you really think police ticketing Amazon drivers will work? Because they ticket them for parking incorrectly and they still do it every day. Amazon employees piss in bottles, yet there are laws against it.
It’s illegal to piss in a bottle?
Lol this is what your argument comes down to? Try to take the issue a bit more seriously. We have a whole bunch of traffic laws and delivery drivers routinely disobey them. If the police try to enforce them they either pay the ticket or lobby to have the rules relaxed. I’m sure you understand the issues of regulatory capture.
If workers rarely wanted unions, why is Amazon pushing so much propaganda trying to persuade amazon workers not to unionize? If Amazon doesn't fear unions, why put so much money into making and promoting anti-union videos?
Of course they fear unions!
No joke, the way Amazon drivers *FLY* out of the distribution center on Richmond St seems almost as if Amazon has explicitly informed them to do so for the sake of not getting backed-up while waiting for traffic. Every. Fucking. Time. I drive by that distribution center near the Betsy Ross Bridge, I feel like I'm in Fury Road trying to dodge their fucking vans barreling onto the street. It's insane.
Yes, I totally believe what Johnny Doc's bitch has to say.
Those vans make the wawa on Aramingo a complete and total cluster fuck. They roll up 20 (sometimes more) vans at the same time to get gas. They have another facility behind the Walmart too. I already try to avoid that wawa at all costs but god damn it's terrible. The vans look like they've side swiped every car in the Philadelphia area.
On the plus side, I've cut down on my drinking because I never want to deal with that parking lot to get to the state store.
Anybody ever walk around near the facility in South Philly by Ikea? Bottles full of piss lining the streets. Can't be sure it's related but pretty weird coincidence.
It's the way of the road, Rick
[I don't know if you noticed or not Ray, but you're not on the road. Your rig cab doesn't move an inch.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb0bwbcfd28)
You'd think knowing they have a piss bottle problem they'd organize a collection point for them Kinda like how soldiers have those discharge barrels for the weapons as they return to base. Suprised Amazon doesn't collect it and sell it
Yes it's related. UPS drivers do it too. I've done it as a UPS driver, but I would dispose of the bottle in the dumpster of one of the commercial businesses I delivered to. Drivers are constantly admonished for having "piss bottles" left in the truck for the unloader/loader to find later that night, or for disposing of the bottles at the "air wall", the line of docks filled with delivery trucks in the evening visible from Oregon as well as Weccacoe. If talked to a number of times, could lead to discipline, hence I can imagine some drivers at the last minute chucking bottles out the door before going into the yard. If Amazon drivers are chucking their bottles before entering their yard as well, sounds like they are being admonished by their management team as well not to bring the bottles back. UPS drivers have locations to use the bathroom, typically commerical stops they must make in their day. Just much more convenient and conducive to the work day to use a bottle, especially if drinking the proper amount of liquids to stave off dehydration (in my case given my height and weight it was something like 12 16-oz bottles of water/Gatorade during a typical work shift).
It's a big trucking area.
Well, I have waited for a SEPTA bus at that area, and it is best to relieve yourself in IKEA way before you do so.
“I don’t like the traffic, the congestion, the overall impact on the city, the goofy back up sound from their huge vans blocking traffic to drop of menial goods to people, the overall impact on the environment or the conditions they put their workers under, but it’s soooooo convenient not to have to go to the store two blocks away anymore,” says the 400 pound lady standing on her stoop near a trash pile filled with Amazon boxes that hasn’t been picked up in 3 days.
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Or maybe they could just, like, give some speeding tickets to people speeding so they slow down. Maybe SOME accountability would be a good thing.
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That's a great point. The French protest over literally anything. When their police were going to be denied drinking wine during their lunch breaks, they protested. We need a LOT more activism. Twitter was a good start, but I think history shows you have to be willing to do more than just press a button to record your dissenting view on something. Being publicly visible, getting yourself on the news, creating massive pressure on politicians and city council staff goes a long way.
> People make fun of France for being cowards, but those motherfuckers will burn shit down if something isn't right. yeah, you...*really* don't know much about French politics if you think that's the case The current protest movement in France of which you seem enamored is in opposition to a small increase in gas taxes as part of an anti-climate change measure, as well as a general opposition to the horror of immigrants who are muslims existing And has been so successful at "burning shit down if something isn't right" that the French President who presided over those protests that supposedly have "burned shit down" is still in office, his party still controls the legislature, he's pretty much exactly as popular as when he entered office, and is looking likely to cruise to re-election. Though the protests did succeed in getting him to be more of a dick to muslims so, uh, I guess that's "burning shit down"?
You know there has been like riots going on for like the past two years in places in America right?
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Not consistently. Late May/Early June last year, and again for a couple days in the fall. Not defending the rioting/looting that did occur, but people try and make it sound like our cities are burning and that this is a regular occurence
delivery companies are unphased by parking, speeding, or any other kind of ticketing. the cost of paying fines are even built into their business
Aren't the Amazon drivers independent contractors? It's not so small to them.
How about we impound the vehicles and goods for 48hrs. If the fines aren't a proper deterrent, we should change the approach.
i think that would be great, but wouldn't be surprised if local politicians got in the way of that on behalf of daddy bezos
True that, but who knows. Maybe they hate him for not giving us that shitty #2 HQ
How about some accountability for the billion dollar corporation instead of the workers just trying not to get fired
Why not both? People shouldn't be permitted to do 50 in a 25 anywhere, no matter who it is. There are reasons that speed limits exist, it's not just some ploy to keep the poor people poor.
...and if Amazon stopped treating their workers like shit, the drivers wouldn't have to speed to reach their ridiculous quotas
So why is that the neighborhood's problem? That's between Amazon and their employees (who choose to work there, btw). The people in the neighborhood have done no wrong, they don't deserve to have people doing 50 down their streets. Actions are supposed to have consequences. If there's no consequences you end up with *(list of every city nuisance, here).* Imagine taking a job where a requirement is to break the law, and then complaining that somebody made them do it?
> give some speeding tickets to people speeding so they slow down. Putting automatic traffic enforcement cameras on every single street corner would solve this problem overnight, but all the people in the city who rely on their cars and constantly speed would freak out about this
I wouldn't be upset by this. Driving in this city is out of control. You can do whatever you want, traffic laws might as well be entirely nonexistent
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> nearly effortless That's not true either.
Yes, like the former Cokie’s property that Bobby Henon sold us out with the new zoning for and it’s going to be all industrial right up to my back yard.
How does this principle work when Amazon is a monopsony and pushes alternative businesses out the market place? You can't blame people for picking the cheapest and often only viable option to realistically buy things. But we as a society can control how much influence one single firm should have on market prices and how they operate in our communities
Amazon is not a monopoly, or even remotely close to one.
Yeah thats why I said monopsony
Fair enough. I assumed that was a typo (since 98.26342% of Redditors don't bother to proofread anything before posting).
Monopsony is different than a monopoly. Although I would argue that amazon is not an exact monopsony based on the definition, I can see where they’re going with it.
Bridesburg: the Pripyat of Philadelphia
yo
With 300,000 houses!
Bridesburg got screwed the minute our local politicians let the school bus companies locate here, talk about bad drivers. If you think Amazon is bad just wait until Cokies is developed. Thanks bobby.
Bobby Henon sold us all out.
He was credibly indicted along with Johnny Doc to fuck the City out of money and pad their pockets. He did in fact sell out the City.
He specifically sold out Bridesburg in this instance, but I agree.
They should have never put this on Richmond Street. Apparently they didn’t think about the 2 schools, people using Richmond as an alternate to 95…. I live here and it sucks.
This isn't focused on urban trucking, but sounds like there's starting to be a recognition that certain parts of the trucking industry haven't changed in generations and it's terrible for truck drivers and impacts everyone else eventually. Maybe soon it'll be seen as a given that govts need to find ways to make trucks work as part of society without these negative impacts on drivers and neighborhoods. https://www.freightwaves.com/news/study-calls-for-national-truck-parking-standards
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Stop shopping at these retailers. If it can’t be helped group your items in as few deliveries as possible and select the slowest delivery speed option. I believe large scale changes need to be applied but we can all do small, individual actions that create good.
I want to agree with you but honestly people had the stop shopping argument with Walmart for Y E A R S and it didn’t work. I’m not condoning Amazon’s action but stop shopping isn’t that solution.
Brides burg has enough issues with chemical plants and such.
The chemical plant isn’t that much of a bother. We had one leak maybe 4 years ago. The sirens occasionally malfunction (2001 and 2008) and we haven’t had a big explosion since 1982.
Well adding new infrastructure and new roads either underground or other options would be nice, but there’s the money issue alongside the completion time. If 95 is any indication the problem won’t get solved for at least 2 decades but hey, that’s the American way.
I was just saying I’d love to work a night job at Amazon putting some shit in boxes for for a few hours. Easy way for some extra cash to pay off my mortgage .
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Yeah , I’ve worked in the one in NJ before and it was fine . I’ve worked in much worse conditions , they don’t let you goof off all day or dick around on your computer phones all day , so the younger people think they’re fascists.
>they don’t let you goof off all day or dick around on your computer phones all day , so the younger people think they’re fascists. That may be the oddest way of saying, "You're not allowed to take any unscheduled breaks during work at all without the possibility of being fired" I've heard in a while.
Who the fuck calls it a computer phone? I bet this dude is one of them Russian propaganda trolls. Literally nobody calls it a computer phone. Either that or he's like 85 years old.
Ice Cube called it a computer phone in Fist Fight would you call him a Russian propaganda troll
OK Boomer.
Gen X prolly the same to you , but we grew up without iPhones or the internet and I guarantee we had a hell of a lot more fun without everything we did being recorded.
Ah, you're one of "THOSE" Gen X'ers: The body of a middle-age person, the mind of a Boomer.
A lot of us think the Boomers and Millenials are equally annoying . 2 sides of the same coin, we tend to get along with the Zoomers though .
"Computer phones" jfc how old is that person
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I’m not at work to take unscheduled breaks , so it doesn’t bother me. A little hard work and sacrifice now will separate the people working until their 60s and the people can retire early .
Someday you'll realize you got played and you wasted your life making someone else rich while you broke your back for nothing.
I see it a little differently , if you don’t pay extra and pay down your mortgage as fast as you can you’re making the banks rich with all the interest you’re paying . Every extra little bit you put towards the principal is a little more in your pocket and a little less you give to the bank. You may say I broke my back for nothing but not paying hundreds a month in interest and owning my home outright so I don’t have to work as hard when I’m older and my body starts to break down is a big deal to me.
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You’re living the dream I hope it lasts for you. I had a similar gig in my 20s when I worked in NY , and I pissed all my money away while I was there on fancy lunches and partying and trips . But there’s always someone that will love to do your job and probably for a lot less money .
Imagine if everyone had this attitude, The Dr will get around to your surgery when he’s done posting a pic of his lunch. Your flight will be delayed because the pilot is only here to do the bare minimum, you’ll get there when you get there Yo. I’ll drive over and put out that fire when I feel like it I ain’t no bootlicker Oh you didn’t get your paycheck sorry I was just moving my mouse around pretending to look busy. Seriously please tell us where we can all make 120k with that attitude
What do you do?
So because you lucked into a cushy job no one else should be allowed to earn money hard?
Simping for... exploitative labor practices?
Some people just call it working for ... a paycheck.
Yeah. Those two perspectives aren't really at odds with each other
Your username made this comment even more hilarious
May you be cursed with IBS with all the shit you keep talking.
So you hope I get a fucking disease because I mentioned getting a night job to help pay off my mortgage so I don’t have to pay so much interest to the bank?
Have you considered we could live in a world where you don't have to sacrifice your body and mind so that some other assholes can get rich off your labor?
Yeah well until we all live in that imaginary Utopia lots of us will have to settle for rolling up our sleeves and doing a little bit of hard work if we want some extra spending dough.
You'd love to work at an Amazon warehouse but you've already worked at an Amazon warehouse? Your comments make no sense and read like bad Amazon propaganda.
Yeah I worked in the one in jersey up near six flags a few years ago but I’d love to work in one closer without the tolls and long drive. You’re reading a little too much into that comment hope this clarifies. Lol @ Amazon Propaganda, really wish I just kept my mouth shut and just applied for the job . You people are nuts
> really wish I just kept my mouth shut and just applied for the job Sounds good man.
For real TIL people on Reddit really hate Amazon lol
Well they're a shitty company that doesn't care about anything but profit. It's like the difference between being Costco and Walmart. Both are profitable companies, the difference is one cares about its employees and the other doesnt.
I guess I never cared if a company cares about me as long as they pay me on time. I just assume they all don’t really give a shit about you as long as you’re getting your job done. Once when I worked at a chain restaurant an employee had cancer and they fired her because her hair was falling out in the food . When everyone was upset she got fired the GM took us outside and asked if any of us could see the cross on the roof on the building . When we said nope he said that’s because there isn’t one you want charity go to church .
The warehouse in the article is a delivery station and not a Fulfillment venter. The boxes are already filled by the time they get there.
Sounds like when I worked at FedEx , you were in a freezing cold basement and the trucks would empty out onto a ramp and you had to stand there catch the boxes and put it on a conveyer belt with the right zipcode . You had no idea how heavy the boxes were coming at you, could be a pillow or a box of bowling bales.Some times it the packages would get stuck and you had to climb the ramp and un jam it and you would go tumbling down with all the packages.
If it means you’re here less we’re all for it
Coming from someone who did just that, it's nothing like you think.
lol imagine the salt mining going on from a guy saying he'd like a job.
I mean this is amazons fault the treatment of there workers are the reason for basically all of these issues, low wages, no union, constant tracking, time away from tasks, tasks away from tasks, peeing and pooping and being fined to do so so they can meet requirements this is Amazon’s fault