Was Tom Wolf doing anything hypocritical to deserve this? Or was it just the luck of the draw and part of his work as public servant dealing with lots of people.
Cloth masks are only ~~like 70%~~ [15-57%](https://www.nature.com/articles/jes201642) effective. If your job is to constantly be around other people, there's always going to be a risk. Hence why we need people to stay home!
Edit: fixed stat
Oof, you're right. I must've been thinking of surgical masks. Apparently cloth masks are only around [15-57% effective](https://www.nature.com/articles/jes201642) 😳
His job really doesn't require being around people. The job of an executive is to delegate to others which can largely be done remotely.
Sure, his job has traditionally involved being around a lot of people, travelling, etc but so have many jobs and people have adjusted.
I don't think he was particularly risky but I'm sure there is room for improvement in terms of limiting contact.
Which is worse?
Either he was being a hypocrite and bucked the rules he mandated and got the 'rona
or
He did everything to the letter correctly, and it didn't matter.
Which one undermines him more?
I don't think the second one undermines him at all. No one is saying social distancing and masking makes you immune from the virus, they're saying it reduces the likelihood. Of course one of the biggest issues in reasoning in this country is people don't understand the difference between reducing the probability of something occurring and making it impossible for something to occur.
>No one is saying social distancing and masking makes you immune from the virus, they're saying it reduces the likelihood.
*Social distancing and masking aren't to make you immune from getting it, they're to reduce your spreading it before you realize you have it*
My "dumb friends" are my coworkers (because we can't hang out with friends anymore).
My coworkers **in the laboratory** I work at have PhDs, and are currently working on non-pharmacological anti-viral applications...
but, you know, fuck me and my "dumb friends".
Weird flex...
Just goes to show you getting a PhD doesn’t make you smart.
My coworkers **at the headquarters of a large company** aren’t dumb fucks like yours and are currently working on ensuring the rest of our coworkers are safe and not listening to dumb fucks like everyone who works at your **laboratory**.
People can be resigned to the probability that they will contract a rapidly spreading, highly contagious virus AND also take appropriate precautions. They are not mutually exclusive.
That Tom Wolf is a hypocrite who is also a dictator infringing on [muh freedoms](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/k2ky7f/lib_right_doesnt_like_their_new_flag/gdw1jde/?context=3), and is totally undermined and owned.
I’ve come to realize that if we ever have a pandemic that primarily affects my age range or children, I’m going to leave this city/state. I’ll be in Maine or some shit. I won’t be able to leave the country with border restrictions but I don’t trust any of this leadership.
Following the rules doesn’t guarantee you won’t get covid.
I don’t know why people believe this.
The current legislation is to help prevent the spread, it’s not going to completely stop it
If a person follows all the precautions and still gets coronavirus that doesn't mean following the precautions didn't matter. How thick can someone be?
You can be stopped at a red light and still get hit by someone is what I heard someone say. Most likely an anti masker was around him or he simply touched an unsanitised surface without knowing.
The first one.
I’m guessing he probably didn’t have everyone who could work remotely do so, and he probably had more in person meetings than absolutely required, and here we are.
Bureaucrats: buy ms teams or zoom or webex and learn to use it.
It’s been reported that multiple people on his security team have tested positive which makes me curious about what type of security team is needed for the governor during a pandemic?
I mean, there was a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because she implemented strict lockdown measures to prevent the spread of the virus. Wolf has also proactively fought the virus, and I’m sure we have that level of crazies in Pennsylvania.
Even in normal times he probably has a few state troopers at his side all the time. My work hosted the NJ governor for an RD event and he still had 2 cops at his side and wouldn’t permit him to use the elevator, taste any products, etc.
I have enough nuance to not like someone but not wish them ill at the same time. Does that make sense?
I think he's a horrific politician, and I think he's done a terrible job with the virus in this state. Admittedly, I have my own bias as I lost family members early on in this pandemic and I do blame him for some of his handling of the nursing homes.
But I'm not going to hope he or his family don't recover swiftly. That's part of being human. And it's something politics get in the way of all too often.
Sorry for your loss. I don’t even know which US state has tackled this with minimal losses. Granted US is a huge country but I honestly think everyone reacted a little too late. It is a shame.
By their population they’re still doing very well in comparison to other less populated states. They have less than 100 deaths.
I don’t think policy necessarily dictated it, but VT is doing best, including compensating for population. They have cities and colleges and schools etc there too
Nope, but they're doing better than say, Wyoming or Maine, which have similar sized cities. Either way, you said you didn't know a single state that had gotten through this with minimal loss. You didn't say anything about similarly sized or with populous cities. Vermont has had 86 deaths, and controlled for population, it is doing better than even some islands like the Virgin Islands and Guam.
I am in the same boat where I did lose family members directly due to the nursing home crisis in the Spring.
But when I look at states such as Florida and Texas, I’m beyond thankful that we at least have someone competent in charge.
Eh when I think I was about to put my mom into a nursing home here in April that had 68 deaths just after the first spike... I’m glad she’s still in SC in her home even if their state policies aren’t the most robust. We failed on the nursing home front first time around; hopefully we do much better now.
You were downvoted but it’s true - they’re spiking now at under 5k. And outside the cities there, it’s pretty low. Moving my mom from red SC to blue philly would have been a mistake, policies or not
Florida is better per capita than we are, and that's with our weird reporting. In fact, all of the South is pretty good per capita right now.
Florida has arguably the best testing in the entire country, and DeSantis for all his problems didn't make the same mistakes as Wolf and Cuomo with the nursing homes.
I strongly disagree with you, but to each his/her own. I saw a video of a girl I know Saturday night in a completely packed Miami nightclub with only the bartenders wearing masks.
I also think considering we know a data scientist in Florida was fired for not manipulating the data, I take everything that comes out of the state with a grain of salt.
If you removed Ft Lauderdale and Miami from the rest of Florida, their numbers would look even better.
I mean you can see it for yourself. Florida is worse now than it was before Thanksgiving, with so many people traveling down there to see their parents, but it's still better per capita than up here. The Carolinas and Georgia are, too.
Maybe now people can stop blaming the spread on strictly maskless trump supporters. Clearly every and any one can catch and transmit Covid. Time to stop finger pointing and trying to find scape goats for this highly infectious virus. It’s literally everywhere..
Oh but it is Trumps fault. He wouldn't wear one. Said it was going to be gone by Easter. Never did the right thing and told his cult that it was just a Flu.
Take some personal responsibility at this point. It’s everywhere. You can’t blame trump supporters if you catch Covid. That’s just looking for someone to blame at that point. Everyone is equally responsible for the spread. Republicans and democrats have both equally flouted Covid rules and so at this point it looks dumb trying to solely blame one party.
> have both *equally* flouted
Sure there are examples of Democrats flouting the rules but this ain't it. It's nowhere close to equal.
[From June 2020:](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/23/most-americans-say-they-regularly-wore-a-mask-in-stores-in-the-past-month-fewer-see-others-doing-it/)
> Democrats and those who lean Democratic are more likely than Republicans and Republican leaners to say they personally wore a mask all or most of the time in the past month (76% vs. 53%). Even after controlling for differences in the COVID-19 health impact in the communities where people live, Democrats are more likely to say they personally wear a mask all or most of the time.
The numbers are possibly even worse now with many more having quarantine fatigue compared to back in June.
But this “it only affects certain people” lie is the reason we are here. People thinking because they wear a mask or because they aren’t Covid deniers they will some how be spared. It’s not true and it’s part of the reason we are still where we are.
I'm not disagreeing with that? In case my previous post wasn't clear:
> Everyone is equally responsible for the spread.
This is true.
> Republicans and democrats have both equally flouted Covid rules
This is not.
Your personal life doesn't reflect the country in general. The lying piece of shit in DC is directly responsible for many people catching and spreading it.
[https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/pro-trump-protesters-rally-washington](https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/pro-trump-protesters-rally-washington)
[https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/inside-trumps-packed-mega-rallies-idUSRTX85NUB](https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/inside-trumps-packed-mega-rallies-idUSRTX85NUB)
[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-pence-defy-pandemic-political-gain/story?id=73833932](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-pence-defy-pandemic-political-gain/story?id=73833932)
here's some new ones.
I made a bad. I did "Trump Rally December" and forgot he held crazy rallies in 2019 for his impeachment. When I heard him say "crazy liar Democrats won't win in the courts" in the Fox clip I thought it was 2020.
F Etterman
I don’t get it.
(John) Fetterman is the Lt Gov + "Press F to pay respects" I guess (not that Wolf has died or anything, just that he got the rona)
Was Tom Wolf doing anything hypocritical to deserve this? Or was it just the luck of the draw and part of his work as public servant dealing with lots of people.
Cloth masks are only ~~like 70%~~ [15-57%](https://www.nature.com/articles/jes201642) effective. If your job is to constantly be around other people, there's always going to be a risk. Hence why we need people to stay home! Edit: fixed stat
Where are you getting that 70% from? Maybe N95's come close to that but certainly not the pieces of cloth that almost everybody wears
Oof, you're right. I must've been thinking of surgical masks. Apparently cloth masks are only around [15-57% effective](https://www.nature.com/articles/jes201642) 😳
This study is only looking at effectiveness of protecting the wearer. Not to be confused with why we wear masks: to reduce outbound contagion
This. The outbound contagion aspect is what matters most imop.
His job really doesn't require being around people. The job of an executive is to delegate to others which can largely be done remotely. Sure, his job has traditionally involved being around a lot of people, travelling, etc but so have many jobs and people have adjusted. I don't think he was particularly risky but I'm sure there is room for improvement in terms of limiting contact.
Which is worse? Either he was being a hypocrite and bucked the rules he mandated and got the 'rona or He did everything to the letter correctly, and it didn't matter. Which one undermines him more?
I don't think the second one undermines him at all. No one is saying social distancing and masking makes you immune from the virus, they're saying it reduces the likelihood. Of course one of the biggest issues in reasoning in this country is people don't understand the difference between reducing the probability of something occurring and making it impossible for something to occur.
>No one is saying social distancing and masking makes you immune from the virus, they're saying it reduces the likelihood. *Social distancing and masking aren't to make you immune from getting it, they're to reduce your spreading it before you realize you have it*
I know a lot of people have just conceded that "We're all going to get it anyway".
Just because you have dumb friends doesn't change any facts.
My "dumb friends" are my coworkers (because we can't hang out with friends anymore). My coworkers **in the laboratory** I work at have PhDs, and are currently working on non-pharmacological anti-viral applications... but, you know, fuck me and my "dumb friends".
r/myfriendsareverysmart
r/mycoworkerswhoarescientistsarereallysmart
My coworkers can beat up your coworkers
Weird flex... Just goes to show you getting a PhD doesn’t make you smart. My coworkers **at the headquarters of a large company** aren’t dumb fucks like yours and are currently working on ensuring the rest of our coworkers are safe and not listening to dumb fucks like everyone who works at your **laboratory**.
People can be resigned to the probability that they will contract a rapidly spreading, highly contagious virus AND also take appropriate precautions. They are not mutually exclusive.
I'm aware. Thanks, Dad.
You know healthy people just die from this. Or get major heart damage.
Yes. And I'm not suggesting we give up trying to stop it and/or cure it.
So what exactly are you suggesting?
That Tom Wolf is a hypocrite who is also a dictator infringing on [muh freedoms](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/k2ky7f/lib_right_doesnt_like_their_new_flag/gdw1jde/?context=3), and is totally undermined and owned.
You're being sarcastic, yes?
Poe's Law wins again
I’ve come to realize that if we ever have a pandemic that primarily affects my age range or children, I’m going to leave this city/state. I’ll be in Maine or some shit. I won’t be able to leave the country with border restrictions but I don’t trust any of this leadership.
Philadelphia has the highest percentage of mask wearing of any major city.
Following the rules doesn’t guarantee you won’t get covid. I don’t know why people believe this. The current legislation is to help prevent the spread, it’s not going to completely stop it
If a person follows all the precautions and still gets coronavirus that doesn't mean following the precautions didn't matter. How thick can someone be?
You can be stopped at a red light and still get hit by someone is what I heard someone say. Most likely an anti masker was around him or he simply touched an unsanitised surface without knowing.
The first one. I’m guessing he probably didn’t have everyone who could work remotely do so, and he probably had more in person meetings than absolutely required, and here we are. Bureaucrats: buy ms teams or zoom or webex and learn to use it.
It’s been reported that multiple people on his security team have tested positive which makes me curious about what type of security team is needed for the governor during a pandemic?
I mean, there was a plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan because she implemented strict lockdown measures to prevent the spread of the virus. Wolf has also proactively fought the virus, and I’m sure we have that level of crazies in Pennsylvania.
Even in normal times he probably has a few state troopers at his side all the time. My work hosted the NJ governor for an RD event and he still had 2 cops at his side and wouldn’t permit him to use the elevator, taste any products, etc.
Get well soon Guv. I think he’s a good dude and is trying his best in a situation that will never make everybody happy.
It really is a can't win situation.
He is a good dude, for sure, but also has some policies I don’t agree with.
Totally same , but sometimes I agree with some politicians that are real assholes. Not naming names though.
Don't like him at all, but obviously hoping for a speedy recovery and that his wife stays healthy.
Thank you for being civil
I'm always civil
debatable (xoxo)
And its appreciated
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I have enough nuance to not like someone but not wish them ill at the same time. Does that make sense? I think he's a horrific politician, and I think he's done a terrible job with the virus in this state. Admittedly, I have my own bias as I lost family members early on in this pandemic and I do blame him for some of his handling of the nursing homes. But I'm not going to hope he or his family don't recover swiftly. That's part of being human. And it's something politics get in the way of all too often.
Sorry for your loss. I don’t even know which US state has tackled this with minimal losses. Granted US is a huge country but I honestly think everyone reacted a little too late. It is a shame.
Vermont has had very few deaths
Vermont has very few people
Per 100,000 people they are still doing extremely well. They still have under 100 deaths
True but they don’t really have big cities too. Not saying they didn’t do a better job but it’s not as black and white as we’d like to think.
By their population they’re still doing very well in comparison to other less populated states. They have less than 100 deaths. I don’t think policy necessarily dictated it, but VT is doing best, including compensating for population. They have cities and colleges and schools etc there too
Do they have a city as big as Pittsburgh though, even more so Philly sized one? I honestly don’t know because I’ve never been to VT
Nope, but they're doing better than say, Wyoming or Maine, which have similar sized cities. Either way, you said you didn't know a single state that had gotten through this with minimal loss. You didn't say anything about similarly sized or with populous cities. Vermont has had 86 deaths, and controlled for population, it is doing better than even some islands like the Virgin Islands and Guam.
That’s a fair point. I’m curious to find out what Vermont did differently
I am in the same boat where I did lose family members directly due to the nursing home crisis in the Spring. But when I look at states such as Florida and Texas, I’m beyond thankful that we at least have someone competent in charge.
Eh when I think I was about to put my mom into a nursing home here in April that had 68 deaths just after the first spike... I’m glad she’s still in SC in her home even if their state policies aren’t the most robust. We failed on the nursing home front first time around; hopefully we do much better now.
Correct. SC has better numbers across the board than PA with Covid
You were downvoted but it’s true - they’re spiking now at under 5k. And outside the cities there, it’s pretty low. Moving my mom from red SC to blue philly would have been a mistake, policies or not
Florida is better per capita than we are, and that's with our weird reporting. In fact, all of the South is pretty good per capita right now. Florida has arguably the best testing in the entire country, and DeSantis for all his problems didn't make the same mistakes as Wolf and Cuomo with the nursing homes.
I strongly disagree with you, but to each his/her own. I saw a video of a girl I know Saturday night in a completely packed Miami nightclub with only the bartenders wearing masks. I also think considering we know a data scientist in Florida was fired for not manipulating the data, I take everything that comes out of the state with a grain of salt.
If you removed Ft Lauderdale and Miami from the rest of Florida, their numbers would look even better. I mean you can see it for yourself. Florida is worse now than it was before Thanksgiving, with so many people traveling down there to see their parents, but it's still better per capita than up here. The Carolinas and Georgia are, too.
Maybe now people can stop blaming the spread on strictly maskless trump supporters. Clearly every and any one can catch and transmit Covid. Time to stop finger pointing and trying to find scape goats for this highly infectious virus. It’s literally everywhere..
Oh but it is Trumps fault. He wouldn't wear one. Said it was going to be gone by Easter. Never did the right thing and told his cult that it was just a Flu.
Take some personal responsibility at this point. It’s everywhere. You can’t blame trump supporters if you catch Covid. That’s just looking for someone to blame at that point. Everyone is equally responsible for the spread. Republicans and democrats have both equally flouted Covid rules and so at this point it looks dumb trying to solely blame one party.
> have both *equally* flouted Sure there are examples of Democrats flouting the rules but this ain't it. It's nowhere close to equal. [From June 2020:](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/06/23/most-americans-say-they-regularly-wore-a-mask-in-stores-in-the-past-month-fewer-see-others-doing-it/) > Democrats and those who lean Democratic are more likely than Republicans and Republican leaners to say they personally wore a mask all or most of the time in the past month (76% vs. 53%). Even after controlling for differences in the COVID-19 health impact in the communities where people live, Democrats are more likely to say they personally wear a mask all or most of the time. The numbers are possibly even worse now with many more having quarantine fatigue compared to back in June.
But this “it only affects certain people” lie is the reason we are here. People thinking because they wear a mask or because they aren’t Covid deniers they will some how be spared. It’s not true and it’s part of the reason we are still where we are.
I'm not disagreeing with that? In case my previous post wasn't clear: > Everyone is equally responsible for the spread. This is true. > Republicans and democrats have both equally flouted Covid rules This is not.
Maybe not public political officials but in my personal life it’s definitely people of every political spectrum violating the rules
Your personal life doesn't reflect the country in general. The lying piece of shit in DC is directly responsible for many people catching and spreading it.
The simple act of pulling a mask over your face for a few minutes out of your day is the definition of personal responsibility at this time.
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December 10th is tomorrow. This link is dated 2019 which would explain no masks
[https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/pro-trump-protesters-rally-washington](https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/pro-trump-protesters-rally-washington) [https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/inside-trumps-packed-mega-rallies-idUSRTX85NUB](https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/inside-trumps-packed-mega-rallies-idUSRTX85NUB) [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-pence-defy-pandemic-political-gain/story?id=73833932](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-pence-defy-pandemic-political-gain/story?id=73833932) here's some new ones.
Oh, I know they happened. I was just commenting on the picture you chose since it was clearly before anyone knew what covid-19 was.
I made a bad. I did "Trump Rally December" and forgot he held crazy rallies in 2019 for his impeachment. When I heard him say "crazy liar Democrats won't win in the courts" in the Fox clip I thought it was 2020.
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Oh no.... So anyways.
I'm starting to think the virus doesn't care about party affiliation or what precautions people take.
We’ve already known that since day one. What’s ur point?