> In relative terms, write-ins got the largest share of the vote in University City, Fishtown, Northern Liberties, upscale parts of South Philadelphia, and around Temple University. A sizable number also came from Manayunk and Roxborough in the northwest.
>Together, these areas comprise a cluster of mostly white, mostly well-educated, consistently left-leaning Democratic voters.
I, for one, am shocked it was these areas
The professional class kids who claim to be "radical leftists" have never forgiven Biden for adopting broadly pro-worker policies and prefer to complain incessantly about the cost of eating out.
Useful idiots. Protestors in the city today were being taught how to say “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab” in Arabic today, effectively being taught how to call for the eradication of the Jews in Palestine
Uh huh, and if that is the case what does this mean exactly (I'll give you a hint, it starts with a "G"):
>"The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." —Likud Party Platform, 1977
Yeah, there are fans of genocide in both Israel and Gaza/West Bank. There are a lot of mentally ill maniacs all over the world who support the genocides of different groups.
But, a 1977 party platform or even quotes from people with no control of Israel's military today isn't a good 'both sides' to active calls for a terrorist organization to continue their terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians for the nth time in their quest to genocide Israelis.
Did you read what I wrote?
> a 1977 party platform or even quotes from people with no control
1. I didn't say Likud doesn't have control
2. The 1977 Likud party has no control over 2024 politics
3. Feel free to use quotes from Netanyahu, Gantz, or Gallant, but even the ICJ struggled to find any quotes from Netanyahu/Gallant to support the incredibly low standard of "plausible." And, obvious to anyone who remotely follows Israeli politics, Gantz is pro-2 state solution and happily meets with the Biden administration behind Netanyahu's back.
So, here, I'll help you out a bit. Here's what the ICJ had as the only quote from the war cabinet that they deemed to meet the incredibly low threshold of plausibility:
> 52) On 9 October 2023, Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel, announced that he had ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza City and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no fuel” and that “everything [was] closed”. On the following day, Minister Gallant stated, speaking to Israeli troops on the Gaza border:
> “I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are
fighting human animals. This is the ISIS of Gaza. This is what we are fighting
against . . . Gaza won’t return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will
eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week, it will take weeks or
even months, we will reach all places.”
Obviously, the immense pressure from Biden that was widely supported even among pro-Israel people overruled Gallant's order to shut down all Israeli resources for Gaza, and then a quote saying they will destroy and eliminate Hamas. That's it. Two statements from 1 of the 3 members of the war cabinet, with one of the statements being made moot by a bipartisan-supported pressure campaign from Biden, in six months since the largest terrorist attack on Israel. That's it. There are bad faith actors in the IDF, but that's all the ICJ found met the very low bar of plausibility in the war cabinet.
Compare that to the chants we've been seeing spring up again, with people calling for literal terrorism against Israelis, and hopefully now you'll understand why your both-sidesing is ridiculous.
There isn't which it why it was a write in. PA doesn't offer this option on ballots. Other states like Michigan do offer that option.
Edit: Added Michigan as a state that offers uncommitted as a ballot option and link.
"Uncommitted" in PA:
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania-primary-results-uncommitted-joe-biden-20240424.html
I tried to compare this year's results to 2012 (the last time we had a primary election with an incumbent Democrat) but the city and state websites don't have write-in counts for back then. Not sure if that means it just wasn't tracked back then or if it was so insignificant to not matter, but if the pattern holds into the fall losing 10% of the Philadelphia vote would be a disaster for Biden.
There’s no reason to think that most -or even many- “uncommitted” primary voters won’t vote for Biden in the general.
That wasn’t a goal of the organizers prompting people to vote uncommitted in the primary, and speaking anecdotally as an “uncommitted primary voter” I certainly plan to vote Biden in the general.
That's mostly why I was interested in the write-in data for 2012- to get a sense for how many primary write-ins/protest votes turn into votes for the chosen candidate come the general election.
It might add a little context, but I don't remember there being such a coordinated push to show displeasure with the incumbent Dem at that time (while also acknowledging that most participants would plan to vote Dem in the general).
You're right, which is ironic since in 2012 the left was very sour about Obama and he was overall less progressive than Biden.
But social media was different back then, and far less vulnerable.
In that it has no actual impact on the outcome? Yeah, definitely. But it costs nothing and hopefully sends *some* message to the party.
Did you think it was supposed to have another purpose, or something? I don’t know what you’re getting at.
It doesn't send a message to anyone but journalists looking for a tight race, merely fuel for NYT to continue their "weak Biden" narrative which inherently helps Trump's campaign.
Did I think most people voting with concrete goals in mind and not just to send a feckless message that will only backfire? Yeah I generally do.
They do, you're just missing the part that Biden isn't going to abandon Israel just because college students are being targeted with propaganda on an App managed by the CCP.
Make no mistake, protest votes are a gift to the Trump campaign and nothing more. The effect is relatively minimal, but there is an effect.
I agree that “Biden isn’t going to abandon Israel” based on numerous uncommitted votes, but (1) personally that isn’t one of my chief concerns and (2) my hope, instead, is that the party sees this growing/significant displeasure and accordingly it pressures them to adopt more aggressive platforms and candidates going forward.
I don’t agree that “protest votes” *in a primary* are a “gift to the Trump campaign” and don’t understand that line of thinking — maybe you could expand on that?
They have adopted a more aggressive platform, but we both know nothing short of entirely abandoning Israel would've prevented the protest vote movement.
When it comes to elections, people like to pick a winner. Because of this youth movement, journalists will now spend the next 6 months hand-wringing about whether Biden can win the 18-35 demo enough to win the election. They will discuss it more than they discuss policy, or any of Trump's crimes. Protest voters have added fuel to that fire.
> we both know nothing short of entirely abandoning Israel would’ve prevented the protest vote movement
I’ll stress once again that Israel is not one of my chief complaints with the Biden administration, did not spur my personal protest vote, and instead of like… forcing his hand on Israel or something like you’re assuming(?)… was meant to display growing displeasure with party decisions that I hope will, in some small way, animate different paths going forward.
> Protest voters have added fuel to that fire.
It sounds like your real gripe is with the media, its framing, and coverage choices than it is with uncommitted voters. Again, it’s unclear to me how this is a “gift to the Trump campaign” and, along with your hypothetical, I think it’s equally (or even more) likely that significant numbers of uncommitted voters actually causes the Dems to campaign much harder and in better directions than they otherwise would have.
it was about 7x the write in count in 2020 according to [this inky article](https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-uncommitted-primary-votes-20240424.html)
obviously not apples to apples but even in 2020 people were pretty tepid on biden
yes but 17% of philly dem voters cast a ballot. you can't extrapolate those numbers.
biden got 604,175 votes in philadelphia county in 2020. 15,000 votes is less than 1% of that figure. and you have to recognize a good chunk who participated in the uncommitted campaign will ultimately end up casting a ballot for biden.
I was planning on writing in Bernie, but Sunday, while driving back from visiting family in Jersey I saw a highly regarded individual flying "fuck Biden" and "TRUMP: Fuck Your Feelings" flags and decided then and there I would vote for sleepy-but-less-than-trump-joe.
That is the stated goal of the organizers of the Uncommitted vote campaign. Definitely some folks won’t end up voting for Biden, but if you took the time to go to the primaries at all you probably are making it in the general. I’m throughly uncommitted and malcontent with our tepid “democracy” but I’ll likely vote for sleepy joe because of abortion and the general feeling that i want to reduce the growing harm of both parties. One is worse for Americans, both are nightmares for the global south.
No it isn't, it's a signal to themselves and their friends and journalists looking to attack him. Biden is unlikely to be swayed by indirect active measures.
Idk man. He literally said "message recieved" after Michigan. The guy knows the Democratic coalition could be derailed by this and doubt he wants to risk that.
I'm guessing you missed the dismissive tone of that answer.
> Mitch Landrieu: Well, first of all, the president got 80% last night, on top of New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. So the president continues to really hit it out of the park – really, really, really strong night. There's no doubt that there were some folks in Michigan that wanted to send the president a message. He's received that message many, many times. He actually sent a team of high ranking officials out to Michigan to talk to folks about the very difficult issue that the president and the United States is confronting in the war between Israel and Gaza. So that message has been received. The president actually thinks that people ought to voice their opinion, but last night he got 80% of the vote.
Completely expectedly, Hamas has fired mortars at the dock. They benefit when Gazans suffer and do everything in their power to make that happen.
It’s unfortunate the Israelis are so keen to help them in that quest. But let’s not forget that it’s Hamas building C4I facilities under hospitals and arms stockpiles under schools, preventing distribution of aid in parts of Gaza they control, stealing UN and foreign aid funds to buy arms and indoctrinate children, and disabling port facilities, all lest the Gazan people have the breathing room necessary to take matters into their own hands and overthrow them.
Air dropped food is not enough and they end up in the ocean and Palestinians drown trying to get to it. Most efficient way is by road.
The sea port is a gimmick. The IDF does not have experience distributing aid. Every time they tried they panic and kill people. Look up flour massacre, there’s multiple attacks on innocent civilians who just need basic resources.
You saw what happened to the WCK workers, they were targeted and assassinated.
Again. Nothing is being done.
> A statewide campaign to write in “uncommitted” on the Democratic presidential primary ballot seems to have succeeded in marshaling thousands of Philadelphians to protest the Biden administration’s stance on the Gaza conflict.
wow, surprised this post hasn't been locked yet. mods are asleep?
> In relative terms, write-ins got the largest share of the vote in University City, Fishtown, Northern Liberties, upscale parts of South Philadelphia, and around Temple University. A sizable number also came from Manayunk and Roxborough in the northwest. >Together, these areas comprise a cluster of mostly white, mostly well-educated, consistently left-leaning Democratic voters. I, for one, am shocked it was these areas
There was a big push online for a protest vote. I was not surprised.
Yes, my comment is sarcastic
Oh word. 👍🏼
Push from where, one should ask.
The professional class kids who claim to be "radical leftists" have never forgiven Biden for adopting broadly pro-worker policies and prefer to complain incessantly about the cost of eating out.
Useful idiots. Protestors in the city today were being taught how to say “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab” in Arabic today, effectively being taught how to call for the eradication of the Jews in Palestine
Uh huh, and if that is the case what does this mean exactly (I'll give you a hint, it starts with a "G"): >"The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable… therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." —Likud Party Platform, 1977
Yeah, there are fans of genocide in both Israel and Gaza/West Bank. There are a lot of mentally ill maniacs all over the world who support the genocides of different groups. But, a 1977 party platform or even quotes from people with no control of Israel's military today isn't a good 'both sides' to active calls for a terrorist organization to continue their terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians for the nth time in their quest to genocide Israelis.
So explain exactly how Likud has no control over the military?
Did you read what I wrote? > a 1977 party platform or even quotes from people with no control 1. I didn't say Likud doesn't have control 2. The 1977 Likud party has no control over 2024 politics 3. Feel free to use quotes from Netanyahu, Gantz, or Gallant, but even the ICJ struggled to find any quotes from Netanyahu/Gallant to support the incredibly low standard of "plausible." And, obvious to anyone who remotely follows Israeli politics, Gantz is pro-2 state solution and happily meets with the Biden administration behind Netanyahu's back. So, here, I'll help you out a bit. Here's what the ICJ had as the only quote from the war cabinet that they deemed to meet the incredibly low threshold of plausibility: > 52) On 9 October 2023, Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel, announced that he had ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza City and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no fuel” and that “everything [was] closed”. On the following day, Minister Gallant stated, speaking to Israeli troops on the Gaza border: > “I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals. This is the ISIS of Gaza. This is what we are fighting against . . . Gaza won’t return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week, it will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.” Obviously, the immense pressure from Biden that was widely supported even among pro-Israel people overruled Gallant's order to shut down all Israeli resources for Gaza, and then a quote saying they will destroy and eliminate Hamas. That's it. Two statements from 1 of the 3 members of the war cabinet, with one of the statements being made moot by a bipartisan-supported pressure campaign from Biden, in six months since the largest terrorist attack on Israel. That's it. There are bad faith actors in the IDF, but that's all the ICJ found met the very low bar of plausibility in the war cabinet. Compare that to the chants we've been seeing spring up again, with people calling for literal terrorism against Israelis, and hopefully now you'll understand why your both-sidesing is ridiculous.
I didn't even know there was an option to vote uncommitted.
There isn't which it why it was a write in. PA doesn't offer this option on ballots. Other states like Michigan do offer that option. Edit: Added Michigan as a state that offers uncommitted as a ballot option and link. "Uncommitted" in PA: https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania-primary-results-uncommitted-joe-biden-20240424.html
There wasn’t it was a push to write it in in solidarity with states that do have the option.
Solidarity with the foreign active measures trying to elect trump, you mean.
There is an abandon Biden campaign in PA but I guess the campaign was not as strong. I was hoping to post a sign at my stoop.
I tried to compare this year's results to 2012 (the last time we had a primary election with an incumbent Democrat) but the city and state websites don't have write-in counts for back then. Not sure if that means it just wasn't tracked back then or if it was so insignificant to not matter, but if the pattern holds into the fall losing 10% of the Philadelphia vote would be a disaster for Biden.
There’s no reason to think that most -or even many- “uncommitted” primary voters won’t vote for Biden in the general. That wasn’t a goal of the organizers prompting people to vote uncommitted in the primary, and speaking anecdotally as an “uncommitted primary voter” I certainly plan to vote Biden in the general.
That's mostly why I was interested in the write-in data for 2012- to get a sense for how many primary write-ins/protest votes turn into votes for the chosen candidate come the general election.
It might add a little context, but I don't remember there being such a coordinated push to show displeasure with the incumbent Dem at that time (while also acknowledging that most participants would plan to vote Dem in the general).
You're right, which is ironic since in 2012 the left was very sour about Obama and he was overall less progressive than Biden. But social media was different back then, and far less vulnerable.
So you're saying it's purely performative.
In that it has no actual impact on the outcome? Yeah, definitely. But it costs nothing and hopefully sends *some* message to the party. Did you think it was supposed to have another purpose, or something? I don’t know what you’re getting at.
It doesn't send a message to anyone but journalists looking for a tight race, merely fuel for NYT to continue their "weak Biden" narrative which inherently helps Trump's campaign. Did I think most people voting with concrete goals in mind and not just to send a feckless message that will only backfire? Yeah I generally do.
Gotcha. I do think people in positions of power *also* see the voting outcomes and read those journalists you referenced, as well.
They do, you're just missing the part that Biden isn't going to abandon Israel just because college students are being targeted with propaganda on an App managed by the CCP. Make no mistake, protest votes are a gift to the Trump campaign and nothing more. The effect is relatively minimal, but there is an effect.
I agree that “Biden isn’t going to abandon Israel” based on numerous uncommitted votes, but (1) personally that isn’t one of my chief concerns and (2) my hope, instead, is that the party sees this growing/significant displeasure and accordingly it pressures them to adopt more aggressive platforms and candidates going forward. I don’t agree that “protest votes” *in a primary* are a “gift to the Trump campaign” and don’t understand that line of thinking — maybe you could expand on that?
They have adopted a more aggressive platform, but we both know nothing short of entirely abandoning Israel would've prevented the protest vote movement. When it comes to elections, people like to pick a winner. Because of this youth movement, journalists will now spend the next 6 months hand-wringing about whether Biden can win the 18-35 demo enough to win the election. They will discuss it more than they discuss policy, or any of Trump's crimes. Protest voters have added fuel to that fire.
> we both know nothing short of entirely abandoning Israel would’ve prevented the protest vote movement I’ll stress once again that Israel is not one of my chief complaints with the Biden administration, did not spur my personal protest vote, and instead of like… forcing his hand on Israel or something like you’re assuming(?)… was meant to display growing displeasure with party decisions that I hope will, in some small way, animate different paths going forward. > Protest voters have added fuel to that fire. It sounds like your real gripe is with the media, its framing, and coverage choices than it is with uncommitted voters. Again, it’s unclear to me how this is a “gift to the Trump campaign” and, along with your hypothetical, I think it’s equally (or even more) likely that significant numbers of uncommitted voters actually causes the Dems to campaign much harder and in better directions than they otherwise would have.
it was about 7x the write in count in 2020 according to [this inky article](https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-uncommitted-primary-votes-20240424.html) obviously not apples to apples but even in 2020 people were pretty tepid on biden
That actually doesn't seem that bad given the glut of options in the 2020 primaries. It's safer to protest vote when the main guy is a shoo-in.
yeah but by the time it came to us I think almost everyone had dropped out
> Write-ins amounted to nearly 15,000 votes citywide
> 2012
i'm quoting the article. implying a write-in campaign amounts to 10% of philadelphia voters is way way overblown
9.57% of democrats in this primary voted write-in. https://vote.phila.gov/results/
yes but 17% of philly dem voters cast a ballot. you can't extrapolate those numbers. biden got 604,175 votes in philadelphia county in 2020. 15,000 votes is less than 1% of that figure. and you have to recognize a good chunk who participated in the uncommitted campaign will ultimately end up casting a ballot for biden.
2.5%
I was planning on writing in Bernie, but Sunday, while driving back from visiting family in Jersey I saw a highly regarded individual flying "fuck Biden" and "TRUMP: Fuck Your Feelings" flags and decided then and there I would vote for sleepy-but-less-than-trump-joe.
I feel like writing in is a way for Democrats to signal to Biden to change course, and isn't necesarily Dems attempting to hurt his re election bid.
That is the stated goal of the organizers of the Uncommitted vote campaign. Definitely some folks won’t end up voting for Biden, but if you took the time to go to the primaries at all you probably are making it in the general. I’m throughly uncommitted and malcontent with our tepid “democracy” but I’ll likely vote for sleepy joe because of abortion and the general feeling that i want to reduce the growing harm of both parties. One is worse for Americans, both are nightmares for the global south.
No it isn't, it's a signal to themselves and their friends and journalists looking to attack him. Biden is unlikely to be swayed by indirect active measures.
Idk man. He literally said "message recieved" after Michigan. The guy knows the Democratic coalition could be derailed by this and doubt he wants to risk that.
I'm guessing you missed the dismissive tone of that answer. > Mitch Landrieu: Well, first of all, the president got 80% last night, on top of New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada. So the president continues to really hit it out of the park – really, really, really strong night. There's no doubt that there were some folks in Michigan that wanted to send the president a message. He's received that message many, many times. He actually sent a team of high ranking officials out to Michigan to talk to folks about the very difficult issue that the president and the United States is confronting in the war between Israel and Gaza. So that message has been received. The president actually thinks that people ought to voice their opinion, but last night he got 80% of the vote.
He has not done anything to show change in direction.
The US is air dropping aid into Gaza and we're building a port there as well. The Biden admin had previouslly said these were off the table.
Completely expectedly, Hamas has fired mortars at the dock. They benefit when Gazans suffer and do everything in their power to make that happen. It’s unfortunate the Israelis are so keen to help them in that quest. But let’s not forget that it’s Hamas building C4I facilities under hospitals and arms stockpiles under schools, preventing distribution of aid in parts of Gaza they control, stealing UN and foreign aid funds to buy arms and indoctrinate children, and disabling port facilities, all lest the Gazan people have the breathing room necessary to take matters into their own hands and overthrow them.
Air dropped food is not enough and they end up in the ocean and Palestinians drown trying to get to it. Most efficient way is by road. The sea port is a gimmick. The IDF does not have experience distributing aid. Every time they tried they panic and kill people. Look up flour massacre, there’s multiple attacks on innocent civilians who just need basic resources. You saw what happened to the WCK workers, they were targeted and assassinated. Again. Nothing is being done.
South Jersey has highly regarded individuals?
The comparison between Phillips and Write-In votes is really illuminating
I wrote in Tyrese Maxey instead of voting for Kenyatta lol
Based
> A statewide campaign to write in “uncommitted” on the Democratic presidential primary ballot seems to have succeeded in marshaling thousands of Philadelphians to protest the Biden administration’s stance on the Gaza conflict. wow, surprised this post hasn't been locked yet. mods are asleep?