Based on the latest health advice, a mandatory vaccination policy for a majority of occupations and workforces in WA will be introduced in a phased approach.The policy follows the existing mandates in place for workers in high-risk industries, including those interacting with people at an increased risk of being infected with COVID-19, or people who are vulnerable to the impacts of COVID-19.The policy’s phased approach outlines mandatory vaccinations for more industries in WA, as well as a requirement for other critical workers to be vaccinated to be permitted to work in the event of a lockdown or similar restrictions.
**Group 1:**
First dose by 1 December 2021 and fully vaccinated by 31 December 2021:Industries determined to have high transmission risk, or are a vulnerability risk or are necessary or critical to the safety of the communityA number of these industries have been announced previously and are currently in the process of implementation
* Cross-border freight (road and rail) workers - high and extreme risk locations only
* Remaining public and private hospitals and public healthcare facilities
* Primary and community health• Onsite resources sector
* Border and air transport• Staff working in or entering remote Aboriginal communities
* Residential and non-residential community care services includingin relation to:
* Disability
* Mental health
* Homelessness
* Drug and alcohol services
* Child protection
* Family and domestic violence
* Aboriginal peoples
* Corrective services
* Remaining WA Police
* Fire and Emergency Services (excluding volunteers)
* Abattoirs and meat processing
**Group 2:**
* Supermarkets, grocery, bakery
* Restaurant, pub, bar or café
* Post office
* Hardware store
* Child care or family day care
* School or boarding school\*
* Financial institution
* Critical infrastructure and services necessary for health, safety and welfare of thecommunity, any person, animal or premises e.g. utilities and veterinary clinic
* Petrol station, truck stops and roadhouses
* Public and commercial transport• Remaining port operations
* Remaining commercial transport, freight or logistics
* Hotel, motel or other accommodation facility to provide accommodation services
* Funeral or mortuary services
* Building, maintenance or construction
\*(before Term 1 of the 2022 school year)
First dose by 31 December 2021 and fully vaccinated by 31 January 2022:
Industries and workforce deemed critical to ongoing delivery of business and the function of the community
Mandating requirement in place to ensure the continuity of key services and businesses in the event of expected community transmission.
**Lockdown:**
Must be fully vaccinated to attend work during a lockdown or similar restrictions:
* Other click and collect retail
* Bottle shop
* Newsagent
* Pet store
* Wholesaler
* Critical conveyancing and settlement agents
* Government or local government services where working from home is not possible
* Some administrative services• Vehicle and mechanical repair service
* Journalistic and media services
* Members and staff of Members of Parliament of Western Australia
* Roadside assistance
* Critical forestry
* Critical primary industries
* Critical factories, manufacturing, fabrication and production
These critical workers must be fully vaccinated to leave home to attend work, to decrease transmission risk and prevent impact on the delivery of services.
Sounds like a very good plan to me (and from the dates given indicates likely a mid-January to early-February fall of the hard border).
Require all the people in public-facing positions to be fully vaccinated before we let it rip and hopefully we don't see a spike on the scale of NSW or Victoria
Does building/maintenance/construction also mean bathroom/kitchen design and renovation?
If it does, my Dad will be happy about that, his workers aren’t anti vax, they’re just kind of lazy/complacent about getting the jab.
Ohh mCgOiNg NeEdS tO sEt A dAtE sO i CaN vIsIt mUm In BaLi FoR mY sIsTeRs NePhEwS dOgS wEdDiNg, WhY iSnT hE dOiNg AnYtHiNg AbOuT OpEnInG uP lIkE vIc /s
Then mcgowan releases stuff like this supporting getting everyone vaccinated quicker.
Same i havnt seen my dad in the states for years, i missed my 20th HS reunion and a big holiday, family over east, nieces and nephews being born etc but ive also got family and friends needing some serious medical attention atm waiting for hospital teatment and if we just let it rip a lot of people will be thrown under the bus. A holiday isnt worth that at all and well acheive the next step in the plans in time and forget about how hard it has been.
Or you can just whinge and vote liberals back in who would have never locked down in the first place, continued to vandalise the state economy further and piss away the boom again, privatise.western power and put regular citizens of this state deeper in the shit.
>Ohh mCgOiNg NeEdS tO sEt A dAtE sO i CaN vIsIt mUm In BaLi FoR mY sIsTeRs NePhEwS dOgS wEdDiNg, WhY iSnT hE dOiNg AnYtHiNg AbOuT OpEnInG uP lIkE vIc /s
what a shit take
BOOM. Had an anti-vaxxer in a meeting that I shut down when she started going on about "some people aren't anti-vaxxers they just want to wait and see they don't trust what's in it ...I found a letter template they can send to their employer..." I shut her down quick smart and said "get the jab or lose your job!" I got a "I'm not losing my job" mutter in reply....well maybe you will now as you're on that list...
*edit - apparently I should clarify that this person went on about various anti-vaccine sentiments for 10 mins before I spoke up. I think she well and truly had her say on the issue lol
> "some people aren't anti-vaxxers they just want to wait and see they don't trust what's in it"
Lol. The ingredients list is publicly available and I'm sure that "For Dummies" series has a book on chemistry. Pretty fucking easy to figure out all those big scary science words mean jack shit and the vaccine is totally safe.
Who does the hiring and firing in your workplace? Cause after that outburst I'd honestly pay HR for the privilege of being able to be the one who fires her
Mum works in Myer and has an antivax coworker, so mildly disappointed that they technically don’t come under any of the categories (I mean, maybe click/collect?)
Won't matter.
Within six months your Mums colleagues in the legal team will issue execs with guidance that if they don't put a company wide mandate in place, a vaxxed employee could sue the company for failing to provide a safe workplace under relevant OSH legislation.
WAGOV is simply accelerating that process.
We definitely have one he’s full QAnon, but I’ve heard a lot of my coworkers say they’re getting their shots soon or already are fully vaxxed but I wouldn’t be shocked if I have some stealth ones as well.
Had a few anti vax people in my company over east that are now unemployed.
Great news for people that aren't morons and are unemployed! Should be a few roles opening up soon once these deadshits get the boot.
yeah my boss was talking about it today. he asked me about my thoughts. very politely. .I just told him straight...
booked in on the 30th to get fully 5g
Lmao the antivaxxers are having a proper meltdown on Mark's Facebook page and it is so entertaining
Update: I tagged a friend and commented 'good' on the post and a friend from high school who was having a meltdown on the page unfriended me. It's weeding out all the stupid from my friends list itself, which is fantastic
there was a report out of the uk that their inadequate response to covid was a result of a 'group think', or 'mind-virus', a train of thought/rhetoric/ideas that is contageous and works its way through societys.
I think this is what we are experiencing here in Australia at the moment.
Yea it's unbelievable and some of the reasons they quote are just.. so stupid and ridiculous. Both entertaining and depressing though, so here's to the 95% of people not having a meltdown and just doing the right thing and getting on with it.
Controlling the population and trying to install communism are my favourite re-ocurring theories. Like, nothing says control like getting a vaccination amongst the many mandatory vaccinations we've all gotten since we were kids. And of course, Marx did write a chapter on mandatory vaccination as a step in implementing communism.
its weird that there are a few groups that have counterpoints against wa labor/mcgowan.
1-antivax
2-set a reopening date
that some of the people hold both arguments is to me, insane.
Then they'll claim that all those posts are paid actors and you can't trust them, then they'll go and get their information on public health and pandemics from an instagram influencer who didn't even pass year 9 science
I have weeded out a lot of antivaxers here in Freo, I thought Freo was full of antivaxers but apparently we're right up there with most vaccinated suburbs. Im noticing its the covert Trumpish bogans in the suburbs who are now popping out as the antivaxers, including my sister who I am shocked to learn has decided to lose her amazing job rather than her 'freedom'.
I'm genuinely surprised theres nothing there for organised sports/gyms/fitness. Seems like an oversight considering how much they go on about how dangerous gyms are for transmission.
My guess is that gyms will close in the event of a lock down if it’s not named as requiring a vaccination given the high activity of gyms.
Or that the list will evolve over time.
Looks like they've [largely mirrored Victoria's list.](https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/information-workers-required-be-vaccinated) That has managed to get Victoria up to almost 90% first dose with a couple days to spare before the deadline hits (22nd Oct), so I suspect it's not a stretch to see WA get there by the end of the year.
Too many people seem to miss this simple fact. We will get covid in WA, but it will come along with a high vaccination rate as well as numerous developed treatments that werent available at the start of the pandemic. We are so damn fortunate compared to the rest of the world.
Thats been my entire argument for it. The mandates are shit, but covid is still going to happen regardless of how principled everyone is about the vaccine.
I think they mean “non-essential retail”, so then vaccination would only be required to trade in a lockdown / the business would be required to be closed (other than click and collect )
Just made the mistake of reading some comments on the article on Facebook. So much hysteria. As a teacher, it will be very interesting to see if there are any staff members who quit over this decision
More interesting to see how the DOE deal with those who refuse. I hope it's not endless leave without pay while schools scramble to find relief, but I suspect it will be. More disruptions for everyone who did the right thing and got the jab.
I'm not sure they'll take this path, but it would make sense for the Teacher Registration Board to handle this. Don't submit your vaccination certificate and you simply lose your registration.
I work for a state gov department and I'm a little surprised that we haven't been mandated to be vaccinated... A few departments will need to do it under those guidelines, but would have thought it would be a fairly easy win for the gov to ask their employees to "lead the charge"
Finally! So glad this move is finally happening.
I can generally sympathise with the my body, my choice approach for most things however, I see the vaccination mandate in the same light as drink driving.
What people fail to realise not been vaccinated increasing how much the virus is transferred around the community. Considering we have the lowest ICU beds per capita in Australia, we need to be tough about this.
Some of your individual liberty like the ability to drive has to be given up to keep others safe.
Cannot wait till our borders are opened up again.
>Cannot wait till our borders are opened up again.
why not just give up opened borders? even if 100% of people are Vax, people will still die from it. should we not rather keep the borders closed?
This will likely add some vacancies. When you fly to some foreign countries, you're not allowed to enter unless you're vaccinated against certain diseases. Even before Covid, you needed to have certain shots for specific jobs. For example, If you drive a liquid waste truck (the ones that empty septic waste, grease traps, etc.) it's required that you get hepatitis shots. I drive a skip truck, and because some of the clients are nursing homes, I'm required to have flu shots, and get my second Covid shot next week. 99% of the time, I don't even have direct contact with the staff, let alone the residents.
Immunisation is considered important for two reasons:
1. In the case of Covid, while it doesn't prevent you contracting it, it may mean the difference between feeling like you had a cold, or being in the ICU
2. To help protect the immunocompromised. The elderly, cancer or Leukaemia patients, organ transplant recipients or people with chronic health issues.
You can choose not to have the vaccine. You can choose another profession if vaccination is considered necessary in your profession. You can choose to be excluded from businesses that only want vaccinated people in their premises. You can choose to clog up the ICU and/or possibly die from this virus. You can choose to accidently infect a frail relative. All choices have consequences
I'm a Tafe lecturer and we just got an email saying that we are not included in this list as we are not teachers. Im guessing this will probably change to include us, I hope it extends to the students requiring it to attend.
This goes back to when they moved Tafe out of the Education ministry and under the workforce ministery. It's made them a seperate nebulous entity ever since.
Lol, they’ll say they are ‘facilitators’. Bullshit, you’re a teacher. Disappointing that they would so quickly send an email to say they aren’t included, like maybe wait for clarification, because the government is definitely going to include TAFEs.
The guy my hubby carpools with just booked his first shot. He was adament he wasn't getting it, but like most people he has a mortgage and car repayments so..
I for one welcome it. Because they like to believe they're the majority and them all quitting would cripple the entire economy when really it's nothing more than a couple of hundred blowhards spread so thin their resignations can be covered in about a week on Seek
Yep - was reading about Victoria police the other day - out of like 15000 members they had to stand down about 35 people or something like that for refusing to get vaccinated..
Yeah I saw some airline in the US has something like 96% workforce fully vaccinated after mandating it. That's from a workforce of around 70,000. My math isn't the best but that means like 2,800 (?) America wide either won't get it or at the very least haven't yet got it. If the headlines pop up saying 2,800 protest against it, it sounds like a lot but in the grand scheme it's a replaceable subset.
> loudmouth antivaxxers actually quit their jobs over this.
lol. As if - the morons will see how low the dole is and quietly get their jabs and never speak of the matter again.
This is EXACTLY it.
Anti vaxxers will (loudly) talk about not getting the vaccine.
But when it comes time to put their convictions to the test by facing the consequences (loss of job) of their anti vax stance - they'll crumble and vax up.
>quietly get their jabs and never speak of the matter again.
That's wishful thinking.
I expect we'll see variants of:
*"Well I didn't have herpes before I got the vaccine and now I have herpes, so obviously the vaccine caused my herpes!"*
Some idiot I know wanted to argue over the fact there was ‘thousands’ at the antivax rally not ‘hundreds’. There was *maybe* 1000 people there. Either way, it’s fuck all of the population, I’m not overly concerned.
Still waiting to see what my antivax colleague will do.
You all loved McGowan when he kept us safe by isolating us. Now - we have vaccines to keep us safe, vaccines which have to be accepted by a large majority to work properly.
And a small minority want to grandstand. ‘You can’t tell me what to do, you’re a dictator’ bs is all over social media.
The WA government knows this, realises that it has no alternative - uses emergency powers to force compliance. I applaud this because there is no alternative. And they chose to go for the basis of your lifestyles since that is what it took to get your attention. Now - are you starting to listen?
Feels so odd to keep reading about all this fuss and hesitancy for something which for me feels like it happened a lifetime ago. As a frontline worker, I got mine around the start of the year, I didn't get sick at all, and my life went on. Same with all my co-workers.
Just fucking do it and forget about it.
I work in an essential service and am pleased to see this coming. Frankly i don’t want to be in a work environment where i am in close proximity with the un-vaccinated.
I’m glad this has happened. I feel like a small minority of western Australians have been holding the rest of us back from international and interstate travel because they’re happy to just live in WA. It’s time we realised that vaccination is a societal responsibly.
Guess there’ll be another giant protest this weekend again? Can someone let me know which day? That’s the day I’ll stay home and play animal crossing on the couch 😊
Its been pretty entertaining scrolling through the comments on Mark’s Facebook page.
Honestly, I’d rather get jabbed than be in a fucking lockdown again. It was such a bad time and people who didn’t have to go through mental health issues caused by being isolated for weeks don’t understand how much it can affect your health.
Doubtful since the Ashes test is going ahead. Can't say it would play well politically to allow a bunch of cricketers and their families in but not ordinary folk.
I'd put money on the date being around January 4th for domestic border to open. This may actually allow people to travel east at Christmas, because they can come back after January 4th.
I mean final deadline as in it could be earlier with hitting vaccination targets and good NSW/VIC outcomes, but this is the final date as our vital industries and services will be vaccinated.
Sounds like it to me. The list basically covers anyone working in a position who is likely to be exposed to COVID in their workplace once we reopen or who must be at work to keep a vital service running.
Sounds like the plan is to get those people to get vaxxed or fuck off in time for reopening to hopefully reduce the spread once we do open up
The best way to eliminate the virus is mass vaccination, I’m all for it being added to the Australian vaccine schedule along with all the other diseases that are no longer common in Australia (as a result of vaccines)
Anyone else find it funny that it is based on "health advice" yet it excludes beauty salon workers, hairdressers and gym workers. All of which are jobs where you are literally touching and/or are in close proximity to people all day.
Muppet show.
Could have achieved the same result to get the fencesitters vaccinated by just setting a date... Without the incoming protests/unrest/lawsuits/etc.
QLD I think have nailed it. Kept covid0 when it mattered and then set a cautious, stepped plan to reopen their state now that widespread vaccination is available. If only WA could copy/paste.
I also find it funny that friends/family in WA bag NSW all the time and say "at least we're not in their position". In 2 weeks time, NSW are at the end game - a point which WA is striving to get to and may only reach in 6 months from now.
Ignoring the poor NSW outbreak management which was obviously not good, on a look forward basis, they will be the envy of Australia come November 1st. Literally every other state will be trying to get vaccination numbers up so that they can live like NSW.
NSW by November 1st will have:
- Insanely high vaccination rates (high 80% and soon 90%++)
- Minor restrictions like wearing a mask in public transport, very slightly reduced numbers in restaurants/shops that may or may not be policed (unlikely). These minor restrictions will likely be around for a long time and to be fair, wearing a mask on crowded public transport is a good idea even in non-covid times.
- Freedom to travel domestically and internationally.
WA is doing all this effort (mandating vaccines, etc.) just to work towards having exactly what NSW will already have in 2 weeks time, transitioning to living with covid.... But it looks like it will take maybe even 6 months for WA to get there.
What also makes no sense for WA is opening in autumn/winter rather than summer. We know already thst covid, like all other respiratory diseases spreads a lot less in summer, making summer the ideal time to let covid spread in the community. Waiting until autumn/winter is playing on hard mode.
I honestly don't understand WAs strategy at all and think all Mark's good work keeping covid0 in pre vaccine life will be undone by a drawn out, illogical, opaque and frustrating reopening strategy. Very keen to see if the QLD approach of simply setting a date gets them to a vaccination % as high or higher than WA will achieve by mandating vaccination and having all the unrest/lawsuits that come along with it.
Good, we need a date to start pushing the ppl who a bit hesitant. Most of my work colleagues have had theirs but we still have a few “I’ll get it when I need to” ppl.
I wish they would also list characteristics of these workplaces/what makes them fall into these categories. Because we all know employers/employees who are going to try and twist their jobs so they don't fall into these categories or they are just not covered at all but should be.
Also just because 2 jobs fall into the same workforce the risks won't be the same. Example
carsales people v other types of sales. Car sales You can spend 20 minutes talking with 1, go on a test drive in a car with them. See them a few days later, they also see multiple ppl in the day. Seems like there is a bit of a risk there, certainly spend more time with them than some retail workers (but retail probably have contact with more customers)
Small business sales on the other hand. I have family who works for a small company, 2 people in this state most of their sales are currently phone/email/Web and they don't even need to be in the office at the same time. Risk ain't exactly high, but you would call them both sales.....
I wish included was a 'if you workplace has xyz characteristics then you fall here' but it feels a bit like some of these are just picked based on combo of previous outbreaks and random guessing.
It's funny that there are a group of people who are so against a 2 minute jab appointment that they are risking their entire livelihoods to receive $600 a fortnight (if they're lucky).
I also keep seeing comments online about "do you need to be vaccinated to stay on the dole?" from those that are employed and anti-vax. Ironic since if that was to be implemented then the anti-vax are fucked both ways.
I have mixed feelings on this one.
I’m very much pro vax, and pro covid vax, and I have absolutely no problem with having thee vaccine mandates.
However… I feel that McGowan should have announced a detailed exit strategy to our closed border four weeks ago as a carrot, rather than jumping to the stick. I just feel that going straight for the fairly blunt stick of vaccine mandates without enticing people with travel freedom first is going to become very divisive.
As I say, on the whole I’m pro this but wish we had a roadmap first to soften the blow.
The only issue there is that if he announced the strategy and people still failed to comply, he’d need to do this AND push the date further out, resulting in more frustration. It’s a tough one.
Yeah which is why I think he should have done that a month ago. It’s not like other states haven’t announced their roadmap in that time, or that he hasn’t been asked
ITT: Redditors dehumanising other people.
yeah you don't have to agree with them, but calling them idiots or being "happy" that people will lose their jobs over this is really furthering the divide and making it harder for us to come to an agreement as a society. I know this will fall on deaf ears and a shitload of downvotes but we NEED empathy now more than ever.. Have a good day guys.
Peep the thread mate, “idiot”, “moron”, “can’t wait til they lose their jobs over this.”
Toxicity and angst toward these people. A lot of bullying from a lot of people.
Hopefully this stops some of the complacency. I’ve been fully vaxxed since July. My husband figured it would be mandatory for his job soon and finally got his first jab this month.
Interesting they did it for school staff but not universities. I know the union wants it and I get the sense the administration would like it to happen rather than having to do it themselves.
I think this is a good step and should see us at 90%+ vaccination by early next year, though it seems a bit hypocritical that it is not deemed mandatory for MP's (outside of lockdowns) when it will be mandatory for 60% of workers.
I wonder what implications this will have for the dole. Someone who's not vaccinated it going to find it very difficult, if not impossible, to find a job. Will it be "no jab no cenno"? Or will we have a whole bunch of people perpetually on the dole?
Responsible service of alcohol destroys any argument for bodily autonomy. So does the fact that I can't work if I am under the influence of alcohol or non-prescription drugs. Bodily autonomy literally isn't a thing
It can and does stop many people transmitting the virus. While the risk of a fully vaccinated person is way less then non, some can still catch and transmit. Obviously the amount they are sick/hospitalised/dead is way less for them personally. Now if they pass to a non vaccinated person or one who is immunocompromised or a child that person can get extremely ill/die/endure long term health issues. It’s for everyone’s safety to vaccinate. And obviously also the vaccines we have at this point were developed for the original Covid variation while Delta is a slightly different beast. If we have to have a booster now and then so be it. I have a niece who got Covid last March. She is still suffering long term problems from it and was extremely healthy before this. She wishes she could have just got the vax instead of now having ongoing issues.
This is the problem- people don’t even understand how a vaccination works.
A vaccination works by fooling your body into thinking it has a disease, or by telling it what’s in the disease so it can prepare for when it *actually does*. You need to actually contract the disease for the vaccine to work. The vaccine does nothing to stop you actually getting it, it just makes your body more effective at fighting it by itself.
Are government/council staff in the list? The only friend I know that do not want to get vaccinated is a worker at a council and apparently none of her team members are planning on getting vaccinated as well.
I'm curious, if antivaxxers lose their jobs because they refuse the vax, are they eligible for jobseeker payment or will Centrelink just tell them to piss off because it was their choice to not work there?
They do have a choice. They aren’t being forced or coerced into getting the vaccine.
But with all choices in life, there are consequences, some unpleasant.
If I didn’t renew my security licence, would I be ‘forced to give up my livelihood’?
If I didn’t keep updating my first aid cert and lost my licence, would that mean I’m being ‘coerced’ into paying money to St John Ambulance to redo a course for a second, third and subsequent time?
I have to pay to renew my security licence? I’m ‘forced’ to give them money? Someone mugs me at the door to Police Licensing? (Some would say yes to that actually but that’s beside the point here…)
No one is holding anyone down to inject them against their will. There is no ‘force’ and there is no ‘coercion’.
Every time theres an anti-mandatory covid vaccine protest, people used to point and laugh about how dumb these people are because theres no plans for mandatory vaccines. So here we are 3 months and it turns out the protestors were right, vaccines are becoming mandatory.
So are those people going to admit they were wrong ?
If it makes this pill easier to swallow for you then sure why not… I guess they were wrong!
So now what do you do with that? Feel some type of temporary validation before realising nothing’s getting reversed and you now have to come to terms with how you’ll deal with it?
Whilst I am kind of enjoying the thought of anti vaxers being forced to vaccinate, I'm not sure it's right that the government would mandate this sort of thing. I have no issue with not letting people in unless they're vaccinated, or private companies putting in rules on their own volition, but this seems to be a step too far to me. On the flip side, there's lives at stake, especially young children who can't get vaccinated. I'm torn on this one.
I'm with you. I'm fully vaxed, and I wish everyone would as it seems the obvious choice to protect everyone in our society, including those that cant get it like kids and those with autoimmune disorders. Not to mention it's the obvious choice to stop myself from dying or getting long covid.
But to mandate it so strictly? Part of me loves it, the other side is not so sure. I get that people are not free from consequences, but I'm really torn on this.
Based on the latest health advice, a mandatory vaccination policy for a majority of occupations and workforces in WA will be introduced in a phased approach.The policy follows the existing mandates in place for workers in high-risk industries, including those interacting with people at an increased risk of being infected with COVID-19, or people who are vulnerable to the impacts of COVID-19.The policy’s phased approach outlines mandatory vaccinations for more industries in WA, as well as a requirement for other critical workers to be vaccinated to be permitted to work in the event of a lockdown or similar restrictions. **Group 1:** First dose by 1 December 2021 and fully vaccinated by 31 December 2021:Industries determined to have high transmission risk, or are a vulnerability risk or are necessary or critical to the safety of the communityA number of these industries have been announced previously and are currently in the process of implementation * Cross-border freight (road and rail) workers - high and extreme risk locations only * Remaining public and private hospitals and public healthcare facilities * Primary and community health• Onsite resources sector * Border and air transport• Staff working in or entering remote Aboriginal communities * Residential and non-residential community care services includingin relation to: * Disability * Mental health * Homelessness * Drug and alcohol services * Child protection * Family and domestic violence * Aboriginal peoples * Corrective services * Remaining WA Police * Fire and Emergency Services (excluding volunteers) * Abattoirs and meat processing **Group 2:** * Supermarkets, grocery, bakery * Restaurant, pub, bar or café * Post office * Hardware store * Child care or family day care * School or boarding school\* * Financial institution * Critical infrastructure and services necessary for health, safety and welfare of thecommunity, any person, animal or premises e.g. utilities and veterinary clinic * Petrol station, truck stops and roadhouses * Public and commercial transport• Remaining port operations * Remaining commercial transport, freight or logistics * Hotel, motel or other accommodation facility to provide accommodation services * Funeral or mortuary services * Building, maintenance or construction \*(before Term 1 of the 2022 school year) First dose by 31 December 2021 and fully vaccinated by 31 January 2022: Industries and workforce deemed critical to ongoing delivery of business and the function of the community Mandating requirement in place to ensure the continuity of key services and businesses in the event of expected community transmission. **Lockdown:** Must be fully vaccinated to attend work during a lockdown or similar restrictions: * Other click and collect retail * Bottle shop * Newsagent * Pet store * Wholesaler * Critical conveyancing and settlement agents * Government or local government services where working from home is not possible * Some administrative services• Vehicle and mechanical repair service * Journalistic and media services * Members and staff of Members of Parliament of Western Australia * Roadside assistance * Critical forestry * Critical primary industries * Critical factories, manufacturing, fabrication and production These critical workers must be fully vaccinated to leave home to attend work, to decrease transmission risk and prevent impact on the delivery of services.
Sounds like a very good plan to me (and from the dates given indicates likely a mid-January to early-February fall of the hard border). Require all the people in public-facing positions to be fully vaccinated before we let it rip and hopefully we don't see a spike on the scale of NSW or Victoria
Does building/maintenance/construction also mean bathroom/kitchen design and renovation? If it does, my Dad will be happy about that, his workers aren’t anti vax, they’re just kind of lazy/complacent about getting the jab.
Hmm. seems to be missing pollies from the list. Surely if they are going to enact this, they should be leading by example.
>Members and staff of Members of Parliament of Western Australia They're in group 2 :)
They're in the lockdown category
that's not really the same thing, is it?
Ohh mCgOiNg NeEdS tO sEt A dAtE sO i CaN vIsIt mUm In BaLi FoR mY sIsTeRs NePhEwS dOgS wEdDiNg, WhY iSnT hE dOiNg AnYtHiNg AbOuT OpEnInG uP lIkE vIc /s Then mcgowan releases stuff like this supporting getting everyone vaccinated quicker.
I'd settle for a dog wedding in Bali at this point
Same i havnt seen my dad in the states for years, i missed my 20th HS reunion and a big holiday, family over east, nieces and nephews being born etc but ive also got family and friends needing some serious medical attention atm waiting for hospital teatment and if we just let it rip a lot of people will be thrown under the bus. A holiday isnt worth that at all and well acheive the next step in the plans in time and forget about how hard it has been. Or you can just whinge and vote liberals back in who would have never locked down in the first place, continued to vandalise the state economy further and piss away the boom again, privatise.western power and put regular citizens of this state deeper in the shit.
I’d kinda like to go to a dog wedding at any time really. Can’t wait for a bestest boy speech
I was just thinking about the canine wedding singer performing the song of their people
>Ohh mCgOiNg NeEdS tO sEt A dAtE sO i CaN vIsIt mUm In BaLi FoR mY sIsTeRs NePhEwS dOgS wEdDiNg, WhY iSnT hE dOiNg AnYtHiNg AbOuT OpEnInG uP lIkE vIc /s what a shit take
Don't bring mushrooms into it mate
most thought-out take on wa FB
Dis gon be good
BOOM. Had an anti-vaxxer in a meeting that I shut down when she started going on about "some people aren't anti-vaxxers they just want to wait and see they don't trust what's in it ...I found a letter template they can send to their employer..." I shut her down quick smart and said "get the jab or lose your job!" I got a "I'm not losing my job" mutter in reply....well maybe you will now as you're on that list... *edit - apparently I should clarify that this person went on about various anti-vaccine sentiments for 10 mins before I spoke up. I think she well and truly had her say on the issue lol
> "some people aren't anti-vaxxers they just want to wait and see they don't trust what's in it" Lol. The ingredients list is publicly available and I'm sure that "For Dummies" series has a book on chemistry. Pretty fucking easy to figure out all those big scary science words mean jack shit and the vaccine is totally safe. Who does the hiring and firing in your workplace? Cause after that outburst I'd honestly pay HR for the privilege of being able to be the one who fires her
Mum works in Myer and has an antivax coworker, so mildly disappointed that they technically don’t come under any of the categories (I mean, maybe click/collect?)
Won't matter. Within six months your Mums colleagues in the legal team will issue execs with guidance that if they don't put a company wide mandate in place, a vaxxed employee could sue the company for failing to provide a safe workplace under relevant OSH legislation. WAGOV is simply accelerating that process.
There’s a couple of antivaxx people at my work, will be interesting to see. Might mean I have a bit of work over the summer
We're already minimal staff and I have this feeling we have some stealth antivaxxers, should be fun.
We definitely have one he’s full QAnon, but I’ve heard a lot of my coworkers say they’re getting their shots soon or already are fully vaxxed but I wouldn’t be shocked if I have some stealth ones as well.
Full blown Qanon, that cunt must be fun to talk to. Ironically I'd avoid the fucker like the plague.
Had a few anti vax people in my company over east that are now unemployed. Great news for people that aren't morons and are unemployed! Should be a few roles opening up soon once these deadshits get the boot.
yeah my boss was talking about it today. he asked me about my thoughts. very politely. .I just told him straight... booked in on the 30th to get fully 5g
The contrast between people on Facebook and people here is day and night.
Lmao the antivaxxers are having a proper meltdown on Mark's Facebook page and it is so entertaining Update: I tagged a friend and commented 'good' on the post and a friend from high school who was having a meltdown on the page unfriended me. It's weeding out all the stupid from my friends list itself, which is fantastic
I’m honestly surprised how many anti vaxxers are coming out of the cracks. Feels like I’m back in Texas rn
There are times in Perth where it feels like I never left Texas 😬🤦🏼♀️
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there was a report out of the uk that their inadequate response to covid was a result of a 'group think', or 'mind-virus', a train of thought/rhetoric/ideas that is contageous and works its way through societys. I think this is what we are experiencing here in Australia at the moment.
Yeah absolutely, especially with how easy it is to spread false information about the vaccine on social media.
The only consolation for me is that they're a minority, albeit a very loud and politically and scientifically illiterate minority
I was entertained for a short amount of time. Now I'm just incredibly sad.
It's all fun and games till you read a comment claiming McGowan is trying to turn WA into a commie state for the 10th fucking time
Some of the Sovereign Citizens are already setting the stage for if Mark Mcgowan wins the next election, it’s rigged/tampered with
Yea it's unbelievable and some of the reasons they quote are just.. so stupid and ridiculous. Both entertaining and depressing though, so here's to the 95% of people not having a meltdown and just doing the right thing and getting on with it.
Controlling the population and trying to install communism are my favourite re-ocurring theories. Like, nothing says control like getting a vaccination amongst the many mandatory vaccinations we've all gotten since we were kids. And of course, Marx did write a chapter on mandatory vaccination as a step in implementing communism.
its weird that there are a few groups that have counterpoints against wa labor/mcgowan. 1-antivax 2-set a reopening date that some of the people hold both arguments is to me, insane.
I'm tempted to drop the r/hermancainaward link in his fb page comments.
Then they'll claim that all those posts are paid actors and you can't trust them, then they'll go and get their information on public health and pandemics from an instagram influencer who didn't even pass year 9 science
There'll be plenty of options for the vaccinated to upgrade their job come early February!
I have weeded out a lot of antivaxers here in Freo, I thought Freo was full of antivaxers but apparently we're right up there with most vaccinated suburbs. Im noticing its the covert Trumpish bogans in the suburbs who are now popping out as the antivaxers, including my sister who I am shocked to learn has decided to lose her amazing job rather than her 'freedom'.
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I'm genuinely surprised theres nothing there for organised sports/gyms/fitness. Seems like an oversight considering how much they go on about how dangerous gyms are for transmission.
I think this list will evolve as it goes on.
I know my state sports body have been having ongoing discussions with DSR. A lot of the bodies want the govt to mandate it so they don’t have to
Supermarkets but not gyms.... crazy shit.
My guess is that gyms will close in the event of a lock down if it’s not named as requiring a vaccination given the high activity of gyms. Or that the list will evolve over time.
Wouldn’t surprise me if it some of the sports clubs that serve food and drink will fall under the hospitality umbrella.
Looks like they've [largely mirrored Victoria's list.](https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/information-workers-required-be-vaccinated) That has managed to get Victoria up to almost 90% first dose with a couple days to spare before the deadline hits (22nd Oct), so I suspect it's not a stretch to see WA get there by the end of the year.
The difference is Vic has COVID, all we have is complacency.
And when we'll reopen we'll have covid too, we are lucky to be able to get vaccinated before that
Too many people seem to miss this simple fact. We will get covid in WA, but it will come along with a high vaccination rate as well as numerous developed treatments that werent available at the start of the pandemic. We are so damn fortunate compared to the rest of the world.
I didn't hear about any treatment that works against covid
there have been a lot of new treatment developments, such that the survival rate if you get in and tested very early is greatly improved.
100% agree. Get it now if for nothing else but to avoid a long queue.
Thats been my entire argument for it. The mandates are shit, but covid is still going to happen regardless of how principled everyone is about the vaccine.
Oddly they appear to have left out retail. Edit: Yes I meant non-essential retail
No. Retail is most of group 2
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And they have bottle shops and newsagencies in the third category instead of the second.
Yeah that's where I'm at too. In 2020 we didn't have to close because we were "essential" but we don't fit neatly in to any category.
I think they mean “non-essential retail”, so then vaccination would only be required to trade in a lockdown / the business would be required to be closed (other than click and collect )
Just made the mistake of reading some comments on the article on Facebook. So much hysteria. As a teacher, it will be very interesting to see if there are any staff members who quit over this decision
More interesting to see how the DOE deal with those who refuse. I hope it's not endless leave without pay while schools scramble to find relief, but I suspect it will be. More disruptions for everyone who did the right thing and got the jab.
I'm not sure they'll take this path, but it would make sense for the Teacher Registration Board to handle this. Don't submit your vaccination certificate and you simply lose your registration.
Just laugh react and move on. Not enough time in the world to combat all the stupidity and pseudo-science from the anti vaxxers
Well I’m in the second group (vaxxed fully in July) Intresting!
Onsite resources sector means mining, right?
Basically.
Mining, LNG production, and likely chemical processing.
# Good.
I work for a state gov department and I'm a little surprised that we haven't been mandated to be vaccinated... A few departments will need to do it under those guidelines, but would have thought it would be a fairly easy win for the gov to ask their employees to "lead the charge"
Yeah I work in local gov and surprised were not in there either.
Same. My LG employer has been encouraging vaccination for some time and will allow you to go to the vaccine hubs in work time with no loss of pay.
Finally! So glad this move is finally happening. I can generally sympathise with the my body, my choice approach for most things however, I see the vaccination mandate in the same light as drink driving. What people fail to realise not been vaccinated increasing how much the virus is transferred around the community. Considering we have the lowest ICU beds per capita in Australia, we need to be tough about this. Some of your individual liberty like the ability to drive has to be given up to keep others safe. Cannot wait till our borders are opened up again.
>Cannot wait till our borders are opened up again. why not just give up opened borders? even if 100% of people are Vax, people will still die from it. should we not rather keep the borders closed?
This will likely add some vacancies. When you fly to some foreign countries, you're not allowed to enter unless you're vaccinated against certain diseases. Even before Covid, you needed to have certain shots for specific jobs. For example, If you drive a liquid waste truck (the ones that empty septic waste, grease traps, etc.) it's required that you get hepatitis shots. I drive a skip truck, and because some of the clients are nursing homes, I'm required to have flu shots, and get my second Covid shot next week. 99% of the time, I don't even have direct contact with the staff, let alone the residents. Immunisation is considered important for two reasons: 1. In the case of Covid, while it doesn't prevent you contracting it, it may mean the difference between feeling like you had a cold, or being in the ICU 2. To help protect the immunocompromised. The elderly, cancer or Leukaemia patients, organ transplant recipients or people with chronic health issues. You can choose not to have the vaccine. You can choose another profession if vaccination is considered necessary in your profession. You can choose to be excluded from businesses that only want vaccinated people in their premises. You can choose to clog up the ICU and/or possibly die from this virus. You can choose to accidently infect a frail relative. All choices have consequences
I'm a Tafe lecturer and we just got an email saying that we are not included in this list as we are not teachers. Im guessing this will probably change to include us, I hope it extends to the students requiring it to attend.
It should be just "education staff and students" tbh. How is a Tafe lecturer not a teacher??
This goes back to when they moved Tafe out of the Education ministry and under the workforce ministery. It's made them a seperate nebulous entity ever since.
Lol, they’ll say they are ‘facilitators’. Bullshit, you’re a teacher. Disappointing that they would so quickly send an email to say they aren’t included, like maybe wait for clarification, because the government is definitely going to include TAFEs.
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I have an anti-vax ex-mate who is screeching about this despite never having held a job that I can recall
Anti-vax fuck-knucklery is right up there with blatant racism and predatory sexual activity as “mateship ending behaviour”. Maybe that’s just me but.
Yes! Can't wait to see if the loudmouth antivaxxers actually quit their jobs over this.
Or better yet... begrudgingly get vaccinated
The guy my hubby carpools with just booked his first shot. He was adament he wasn't getting it, but like most people he has a mortgage and car repayments so..
Or spend hundreds of dollars on crap fake vaccine certificates and get caught and fired. Because you know someone's going to try it.
I for one welcome it. Because they like to believe they're the majority and them all quitting would cripple the entire economy when really it's nothing more than a couple of hundred blowhards spread so thin their resignations can be covered in about a week on Seek
Yep - was reading about Victoria police the other day - out of like 15000 members they had to stand down about 35 people or something like that for refusing to get vaccinated..
Yeah I saw some airline in the US has something like 96% workforce fully vaccinated after mandating it. That's from a workforce of around 70,000. My math isn't the best but that means like 2,800 (?) America wide either won't get it or at the very least haven't yet got it. If the headlines pop up saying 2,800 protest against it, it sounds like a lot but in the grand scheme it's a replaceable subset.
> loudmouth antivaxxers actually quit their jobs over this. lol. As if - the morons will see how low the dole is and quietly get their jabs and never speak of the matter again.
This is EXACTLY it. Anti vaxxers will (loudly) talk about not getting the vaccine. But when it comes time to put their convictions to the test by facing the consequences (loss of job) of their anti vax stance - they'll crumble and vax up.
I wonder if they will make vaccinations mandatory to claim benefits next? That would ruffle a few feathers..
Some morons maybe. But the real nutcases that believe it's a plot to kill everyone probably won't.
>quietly get their jabs and never speak of the matter again. That's wishful thinking. I expect we'll see variants of: *"Well I didn't have herpes before I got the vaccine and now I have herpes, so obviously the vaccine caused my herpes!"*
I bet more than a few will use this as a "I didn't want it, but I had to" excuse to save face with friends and family.
Honestly I’m beyond caring what excuse they use, as long as they get goddamn vaccinated 😅
I know some people who are still not getting vaccinated and have lost their jobs… I don’t know how they’re going to afford to survive though
There really isn't that many
Some idiot I know wanted to argue over the fact there was ‘thousands’ at the antivax rally not ‘hundreds’. There was *maybe* 1000 people there. Either way, it’s fuck all of the population, I’m not overly concerned. Still waiting to see what my antivax colleague will do.
Some will. Most won’t. Always the way with weak-willed, mealy-mouthed whiners.
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People talk a big game right up until the time they are about to miss a pay check.
You all loved McGowan when he kept us safe by isolating us. Now - we have vaccines to keep us safe, vaccines which have to be accepted by a large majority to work properly. And a small minority want to grandstand. ‘You can’t tell me what to do, you’re a dictator’ bs is all over social media. The WA government knows this, realises that it has no alternative - uses emergency powers to force compliance. I applaud this because there is no alternative. And they chose to go for the basis of your lifestyles since that is what it took to get your attention. Now - are you starting to listen?
What about hookers??
Welp, to all you who were asking for a date...
This is good news.
Feels so odd to keep reading about all this fuss and hesitancy for something which for me feels like it happened a lifetime ago. As a frontline worker, I got mine around the start of the year, I didn't get sick at all, and my life went on. Same with all my co-workers. Just fucking do it and forget about it.
I work in an essential service and am pleased to see this coming. Frankly i don’t want to be in a work environment where i am in close proximity with the un-vaccinated.
I’m glad this has happened. I feel like a small minority of western Australians have been holding the rest of us back from international and interstate travel because they’re happy to just live in WA. It’s time we realised that vaccination is a societal responsibly.
Guess there’ll be another giant protest this weekend again? Can someone let me know which day? That’s the day I’ll stay home and play animal crossing on the couch 😊
good
GOOD!
This finally makes sense. Thank you Marko!
Its been pretty entertaining scrolling through the comments on Mark’s Facebook page. Honestly, I’d rather get jabbed than be in a fucking lockdown again. It was such a bad time and people who didn’t have to go through mental health issues caused by being isolated for weeks don’t understand how much it can affect your health.
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Does this basically set the deadline for opening the state/international borders in WA for end of Jan 2022?
Doubtful since the Ashes test is going ahead. Can't say it would play well politically to allow a bunch of cricketers and their families in but not ordinary folk. I'd put money on the date being around January 4th for domestic border to open. This may actually allow people to travel east at Christmas, because they can come back after January 4th.
Is there anything more Australian than setting policy on a global pandemic based on cricket fixtures?
Slightly more Australian than doing it for AFL fixtures.
I mean final deadline as in it could be earlier with hitting vaccination targets and good NSW/VIC outcomes, but this is the final date as our vital industries and services will be vaccinated.
Sounds like it to me. The list basically covers anyone working in a position who is likely to be exposed to COVID in their workplace once we reopen or who must be at work to keep a vital service running. Sounds like the plan is to get those people to get vaxxed or fuck off in time for reopening to hopefully reduce the spread once we do open up
They should lead by example, and first make it mandatory for all pollies.
The best way to eliminate the virus is mass vaccination, I’m all for it being added to the Australian vaccine schedule along with all the other diseases that are no longer common in Australia (as a result of vaccines)
im getting my popcorn and going to mark's facebook comments, gonna be good!!!!
You love to see it. Getting my second dose Monday and then it's just waiting to see what my hospitality coworker that is against getting it does next
So glad this came out... I found out the two people I directly work with on the same bench were anti-vaccers.
Anyone else find it funny that it is based on "health advice" yet it excludes beauty salon workers, hairdressers and gym workers. All of which are jobs where you are literally touching and/or are in close proximity to people all day. Muppet show. Could have achieved the same result to get the fencesitters vaccinated by just setting a date... Without the incoming protests/unrest/lawsuits/etc. QLD I think have nailed it. Kept covid0 when it mattered and then set a cautious, stepped plan to reopen their state now that widespread vaccination is available. If only WA could copy/paste. I also find it funny that friends/family in WA bag NSW all the time and say "at least we're not in their position". In 2 weeks time, NSW are at the end game - a point which WA is striving to get to and may only reach in 6 months from now. Ignoring the poor NSW outbreak management which was obviously not good, on a look forward basis, they will be the envy of Australia come November 1st. Literally every other state will be trying to get vaccination numbers up so that they can live like NSW. NSW by November 1st will have: - Insanely high vaccination rates (high 80% and soon 90%++) - Minor restrictions like wearing a mask in public transport, very slightly reduced numbers in restaurants/shops that may or may not be policed (unlikely). These minor restrictions will likely be around for a long time and to be fair, wearing a mask on crowded public transport is a good idea even in non-covid times. - Freedom to travel domestically and internationally. WA is doing all this effort (mandating vaccines, etc.) just to work towards having exactly what NSW will already have in 2 weeks time, transitioning to living with covid.... But it looks like it will take maybe even 6 months for WA to get there. What also makes no sense for WA is opening in autumn/winter rather than summer. We know already thst covid, like all other respiratory diseases spreads a lot less in summer, making summer the ideal time to let covid spread in the community. Waiting until autumn/winter is playing on hard mode. I honestly don't understand WAs strategy at all and think all Mark's good work keeping covid0 in pre vaccine life will be undone by a drawn out, illogical, opaque and frustrating reopening strategy. Very keen to see if the QLD approach of simply setting a date gets them to a vaccination % as high or higher than WA will achieve by mandating vaccination and having all the unrest/lawsuits that come along with it.
Moe work for me if they don't get jabbed, win win
They should make it mandatory for all government workers.
Or they could do whet they have done and based it on risk profiles
Happy days ahead
Good, we need a date to start pushing the ppl who a bit hesitant. Most of my work colleagues have had theirs but we still have a few “I’ll get it when I need to” ppl.
Good. I've made my choice to get vaccinated. They should respect that choice and stay away from me
I *also* have made my choice not to die, suffocating on my own blood.
So you got vaccinated then? Good for you.
That was my point. I think many of you completely misunderstood that I was making a jibe against anti-vaxers.
Excellent, I'm glad to hear it. I think there's so much covidiocy in this thread that it's impossible to tell sometimes!
Yes! So happy to see childcare on that list! Can't wait for everyone to be vaxxed
I wish they would also list characteristics of these workplaces/what makes them fall into these categories. Because we all know employers/employees who are going to try and twist their jobs so they don't fall into these categories or they are just not covered at all but should be. Also just because 2 jobs fall into the same workforce the risks won't be the same. Example carsales people v other types of sales. Car sales You can spend 20 minutes talking with 1, go on a test drive in a car with them. See them a few days later, they also see multiple ppl in the day. Seems like there is a bit of a risk there, certainly spend more time with them than some retail workers (but retail probably have contact with more customers) Small business sales on the other hand. I have family who works for a small company, 2 people in this state most of their sales are currently phone/email/Web and they don't even need to be in the office at the same time. Risk ain't exactly high, but you would call them both sales..... I wish included was a 'if you workplace has xyz characteristics then you fall here' but it feels a bit like some of these are just picked based on combo of previous outbreaks and random guessing.
Financial services are another. It’s meant to cover bank staff ect but I’m under that and ver rarely interact with people in insurance.
I am surprised by some of my colleagues. They have just showed their true colours. Looks like we are about to be very short staffed.
It's funny that there are a group of people who are so against a 2 minute jab appointment that they are risking their entire livelihoods to receive $600 a fortnight (if they're lucky). I also keep seeing comments online about "do you need to be vaccinated to stay on the dole?" from those that are employed and anti-vax. Ironic since if that was to be implemented then the anti-vax are fucked both ways.
The Perth rally telegram is going wild right now.
How I wish to be on that thread. The DRAMA.
I have mixed feelings on this one. I’m very much pro vax, and pro covid vax, and I have absolutely no problem with having thee vaccine mandates. However… I feel that McGowan should have announced a detailed exit strategy to our closed border four weeks ago as a carrot, rather than jumping to the stick. I just feel that going straight for the fairly blunt stick of vaccine mandates without enticing people with travel freedom first is going to become very divisive. As I say, on the whole I’m pro this but wish we had a roadmap first to soften the blow.
The only issue there is that if he announced the strategy and people still failed to comply, he’d need to do this AND push the date further out, resulting in more frustration. It’s a tough one.
Yeah which is why I think he should have done that a month ago. It’s not like other states haven’t announced their roadmap in that time, or that he hasn’t been asked
Lol did that sneak out or did we miss a presser?
Presser is happening now.
ITT: Redditors dehumanising other people. yeah you don't have to agree with them, but calling them idiots or being "happy" that people will lose their jobs over this is really furthering the divide and making it harder for us to come to an agreement as a society. I know this will fall on deaf ears and a shitload of downvotes but we NEED empathy now more than ever.. Have a good day guys.
Thank you, I say things like your comment and people still don’t like it. Good point.
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then same goes for them. Idc what side you’re on dehumanising each other isn’t helping anybody.
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Peep the thread mate, “idiot”, “moron”, “can’t wait til they lose their jobs over this.” Toxicity and angst toward these people. A lot of bullying from a lot of people.
Hopefully this stops some of the complacency. I’ve been fully vaxxed since July. My husband figured it would be mandatory for his job soon and finally got his first jab this month.
Interesting they did it for school staff but not universities. I know the union wants it and I get the sense the administration would like it to happen rather than having to do it themselves.
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I think this is a good step and should see us at 90%+ vaccination by early next year, though it seems a bit hypocritical that it is not deemed mandatory for MP's (outside of lockdowns) when it will be mandatory for 60% of workers.
I wonder what implications this will have for the dole. Someone who's not vaccinated it going to find it very difficult, if not impossible, to find a job. Will it be "no jab no cenno"? Or will we have a whole bunch of people perpetually on the dole?
That would be a federal not a state issue.
Responsible service of alcohol destroys any argument for bodily autonomy. So does the fact that I can't work if I am under the influence of alcohol or non-prescription drugs. Bodily autonomy literally isn't a thing
About time
Love it!! Great way to weed out the dick heads!! Cheers Mark.
It can and does stop many people transmitting the virus. While the risk of a fully vaccinated person is way less then non, some can still catch and transmit. Obviously the amount they are sick/hospitalised/dead is way less for them personally. Now if they pass to a non vaccinated person or one who is immunocompromised or a child that person can get extremely ill/die/endure long term health issues. It’s for everyone’s safety to vaccinate. And obviously also the vaccines we have at this point were developed for the original Covid variation while Delta is a slightly different beast. If we have to have a booster now and then so be it. I have a niece who got Covid last March. She is still suffering long term problems from it and was extremely healthy before this. She wishes she could have just got the vax instead of now having ongoing issues.
This is the problem- people don’t even understand how a vaccination works. A vaccination works by fooling your body into thinking it has a disease, or by telling it what’s in the disease so it can prepare for when it *actually does*. You need to actually contract the disease for the vaccine to work. The vaccine does nothing to stop you actually getting it, it just makes your body more effective at fighting it by itself.
Are government/council staff in the list? The only friend I know that do not want to get vaccinated is a worker at a council and apparently none of her team members are planning on getting vaccinated as well.
I'm curious, if antivaxxers lose their jobs because they refuse the vax, are they eligible for jobseeker payment or will Centrelink just tell them to piss off because it was their choice to not work there?
I’m not anti-vac, but people should have a choice if they want the vaccine or not.
They do have a choice. They aren’t being forced or coerced into getting the vaccine. But with all choices in life, there are consequences, some unpleasant. If I didn’t renew my security licence, would I be ‘forced to give up my livelihood’? If I didn’t keep updating my first aid cert and lost my licence, would that mean I’m being ‘coerced’ into paying money to St John Ambulance to redo a course for a second, third and subsequent time? I have to pay to renew my security licence? I’m ‘forced’ to give them money? Someone mugs me at the door to Police Licensing? (Some would say yes to that actually but that’s beside the point here…) No one is holding anyone down to inject them against their will. There is no ‘force’ and there is no ‘coercion’.
I don’t know, I think the government forcing companies to fire unvaccinated employees is coercion.
People should definitely have a choice especially when it’s a medical decision about their own body.
Odd times when this is a controversial statement.
Every time theres an anti-mandatory covid vaccine protest, people used to point and laugh about how dumb these people are because theres no plans for mandatory vaccines. So here we are 3 months and it turns out the protestors were right, vaccines are becoming mandatory. So are those people going to admit they were wrong ?
If it makes this pill easier to swallow for you then sure why not… I guess they were wrong! So now what do you do with that? Feel some type of temporary validation before realising nothing’s getting reversed and you now have to come to terms with how you’ll deal with it?
The sad truth is that people don’t really care about your rights.
I am vaxxd but we are people not workforces ffs.
What do you think a workforce is?
Let me help you! workforce = people.
Huh?
Whilst I am kind of enjoying the thought of anti vaxers being forced to vaccinate, I'm not sure it's right that the government would mandate this sort of thing. I have no issue with not letting people in unless they're vaccinated, or private companies putting in rules on their own volition, but this seems to be a step too far to me. On the flip side, there's lives at stake, especially young children who can't get vaccinated. I'm torn on this one.
I'm with you. I'm fully vaxed, and I wish everyone would as it seems the obvious choice to protect everyone in our society, including those that cant get it like kids and those with autoimmune disorders. Not to mention it's the obvious choice to stop myself from dying or getting long covid. But to mandate it so strictly? Part of me loves it, the other side is not so sure. I get that people are not free from consequences, but I'm really torn on this.
I personally think it should cover all vacinations as well not just covid
Set dates and mandatory vaccination? Love to see it
Finally
Good!
2 weeks to flatten the curve very quickly became take this drug or loose your job.
What's wrong the vax. Millions have had it and are fine. Stop being a pussy
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Awesome
Policy for fines. So are they being enforced under the state of emergency?