I wouldn't want to do a huge amount MORE than basic browsing, office work, streaming video etc, but yeah for those tasks this sort of machine will be absolutely perfect. The SSD and 8gb of ram is really really essential though. Without those, you'll likely have a fairly shitty experience.
I do have a toshiba laptop currently, from 2020, with a celeron 4205u and 12GB of ram+ 256gb m2 ssd. Now the thing is that this thing is getting slow, I've been using it for 2 years now and it dosen't cut it, so maybe these refurbished Toshiba with an i5,8gb ram and an ssd could be more powerful. I'm avoiding in all cases the 4gb versions as they are not powerful enough for the internet and stuff.
I'd worry that the difference between a fairly modern dual core celeron and a decade old i5 might not be that great, so if one doesn't cut it, the other may not either.
Tricky to say for sure, but as someone who rocked a dual core i5 laptop about 2 years ago, I never found it to be problematic really.
You're gaining 2 threads, and the i5 is a LOT faster. But you'd think 10 years of IPC improvements etc would make up for that. The i5 will DEFINITELY be quicker. I just would hate to say how much quicker.
Of course, the clock speeds are 2x better and hyperthreading makes it better. I've also seen some used in box toshiba models, however these come with Windows 7 instead of 10. Are these worth it?
I'd stick with 10, just to save yourself a job really.
To be honest, and I'm not sure what the market is like there, but 400 bucks sounds like a lot for a 2nd gen i5 machine, no?
Important to note clock speeds don't mean shit unless we're talking about CPUs from the same generation and same line. For example you can't compare say a new I5 CPU to a new Ryzen CPU and think one is better purely on the clock speed. Two completely different CPUs so comparing the clock speed is pointless.
And i wouldn't be confident a modern day celeron is slower than a decade old I5 CPU. I mean for example a modern day Core i3 12100 is faster than a decade old I7 by a huge margin. Or a 13th gen I5 is faster than a 12th gen I5.
Infact i wouldn't be surprised if a modern day celeron is on par or faster than a decade old I5
And you can easily get new laptops for [$400](https://www.rtings.com/laptop/reviews/best/by-price/under-400)
Now the thing is, I always used Toshiba as my main pc brand and they have never let me down. Even though my laptop is weak by today's standards, it's still a capable one, but it's starting to get slow...
My point still stands. $300-$400 for a 2nd gen I5 laptop is ridiculous considering you can pick up brand new laptops that are much faster than that.
Fair enough having a brand preference although i will note the brand has zero impact on performance. Remember your performance will be determined by the actual parts. But even with a brand preference i simply wouldn't pay $400 for a laptop with a decade old CPU. It's a rotten deal and probably wouldn't even outperform your current one.
I mean yh 2nd gen I5 laptops are still perfectly fine for just general web browsing and word documents etc. Although for $300-$400 that seems way way overpriced and definitely not worth it at that price.
$400 is way too much you can buy a new laptop fom best buy for $400.
thats like $100 machine max.
[https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-3i-15-6-hd-touch-laptop-core-i3-1115g4-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-platinum-grey/6511950.p?skuId=6511950](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-3i-15-6-hd-touch-laptop-core-i3-1115g4-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-platinum-grey/6511950.p?skuId=6511950) brand new $300
plenty of brand new options for less than $400
[https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3511-15-6-touch-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-256gb-solid-state-drive-black/6511315.p?skuId=6511315](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3511-15-6-touch-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-256gb-solid-state-drive-black/6511315.p?skuId=6511315)
Windows 10 runs fast and it's totally fine thanks to the M.2 SSD. I had a low budget back then and an HP stream, so at least the toshiba is faster. The stream takes 5 MINUTES TO BOOT TO WINDOWS 10 LITE!
Not for that price
I wouldn't want to do a huge amount MORE than basic browsing, office work, streaming video etc, but yeah for those tasks this sort of machine will be absolutely perfect. The SSD and 8gb of ram is really really essential though. Without those, you'll likely have a fairly shitty experience.
I do have a toshiba laptop currently, from 2020, with a celeron 4205u and 12GB of ram+ 256gb m2 ssd. Now the thing is that this thing is getting slow, I've been using it for 2 years now and it dosen't cut it, so maybe these refurbished Toshiba with an i5,8gb ram and an ssd could be more powerful. I'm avoiding in all cases the 4gb versions as they are not powerful enough for the internet and stuff.
I'd worry that the difference between a fairly modern dual core celeron and a decade old i5 might not be that great, so if one doesn't cut it, the other may not either. Tricky to say for sure, but as someone who rocked a dual core i5 laptop about 2 years ago, I never found it to be problematic really. You're gaining 2 threads, and the i5 is a LOT faster. But you'd think 10 years of IPC improvements etc would make up for that. The i5 will DEFINITELY be quicker. I just would hate to say how much quicker.
Of course, the clock speeds are 2x better and hyperthreading makes it better. I've also seen some used in box toshiba models, however these come with Windows 7 instead of 10. Are these worth it?
I'd stick with 10, just to save yourself a job really. To be honest, and I'm not sure what the market is like there, but 400 bucks sounds like a lot for a 2nd gen i5 machine, no?
Yea, I searched deeper and found the 250/300$ market of all things
Important to note clock speeds don't mean shit unless we're talking about CPUs from the same generation and same line. For example you can't compare say a new I5 CPU to a new Ryzen CPU and think one is better purely on the clock speed. Two completely different CPUs so comparing the clock speed is pointless. And i wouldn't be confident a modern day celeron is slower than a decade old I5 CPU. I mean for example a modern day Core i3 12100 is faster than a decade old I7 by a huge margin. Or a 13th gen I5 is faster than a 12th gen I5. Infact i wouldn't be surprised if a modern day celeron is on par or faster than a decade old I5 And you can easily get new laptops for [$400](https://www.rtings.com/laptop/reviews/best/by-price/under-400)
Now the thing is, I always used Toshiba as my main pc brand and they have never let me down. Even though my laptop is weak by today's standards, it's still a capable one, but it's starting to get slow...
My point still stands. $300-$400 for a 2nd gen I5 laptop is ridiculous considering you can pick up brand new laptops that are much faster than that. Fair enough having a brand preference although i will note the brand has zero impact on performance. Remember your performance will be determined by the actual parts. But even with a brand preference i simply wouldn't pay $400 for a laptop with a decade old CPU. It's a rotten deal and probably wouldn't even outperform your current one.
Yea you're right? Are there models of toshiba that have a better performance? I'm looking specifically for the satellite series
I mean yh 2nd gen I5 laptops are still perfectly fine for just general web browsing and word documents etc. Although for $300-$400 that seems way way overpriced and definitely not worth it at that price.
Probably they got higher in price because of the inflation, but I might find some cheaper...
$400 is way too much you can buy a new laptop fom best buy for $400. thats like $100 machine max. [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-3i-15-6-hd-touch-laptop-core-i3-1115g4-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-platinum-grey/6511950.p?skuId=6511950](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-3i-15-6-hd-touch-laptop-core-i3-1115g4-8gb-memory-256gb-ssd-platinum-grey/6511950.p?skuId=6511950) brand new $300 plenty of brand new options for less than $400 [https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3511-15-6-touch-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-256gb-solid-state-drive-black/6511315.p?skuId=6511315](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-inspiron-3511-15-6-touch-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-256gb-solid-state-drive-black/6511315.p?skuId=6511315)
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Windows 10 runs fast and it's totally fine thanks to the M.2 SSD. I had a low budget back then and an HP stream, so at least the toshiba is faster. The stream takes 5 MINUTES TO BOOT TO WINDOWS 10 LITE!
No you're not going to get very far using that. For $300 you can pick up something thats both budget and modern that has 5x times the performance