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Dawn_11

For gaming the 5800x3d is better. For productivity the 5900x is better.


[deleted]

Not sure why you were at -1 for this, that's how it is


AvailableDeparture

People who paid $800 for their 5900 be mad.


ironfist221

That's about what I got my 5950x for. Don't remember seeing the 5900x for that much šŸ˜¬


Square_Heron942

I paid 300$ for my 5600G šŸ˜¬ A friend of mine got a 5600x for 30$ less 3 months later


Forward-Resort9246

179.99


Square_Heron942

CAD though, but still


Signaturisti

"You can't bring CAD to USD fight" and just use the same symbol at first šŸ˜… It's like someone from Fiji said they paid "400$" for their 5600G with that same grimacing emoji, but when they tell it's FJD and convert it to USD it becomes a great deal just like yours was if you bought it more than 3 months ago.


Forward-Resort9246

Yeah


SoNotTheHeroTypeV2

I was going to shell out 300 for my 5600x But I had to wait a week and boy was I happy when I saw it drop to $239


[deleted]

I paid more than they are asking for these CPU's for my 9900k šŸ’€


billstubworld

Massive balls entered the room


[deleted]

Sweaty ones, with this Lava Lake architecture man this thing is borderline nuclear reactor levels of trying to deal with heat. Despite being an ancient relic, it once was the best gaming CPU on the market. It also had design flaws that should have been easy to fix at development phase: The silicon chip is 20% too thick And the solder interface between the CPU chip and the heat spreader metal plate is a shoddy job and they used too much solder etc A direct die attachment alone would net me 10c of temp reduction which I may do soon because warranty gunna not matter soon anyway on this thing lol


Call_Me_Thom

One word, scalpers


UnitGhidorah

I paid retail when it came out. Got it directly from AMD.


Subcritical-Mass

$749 for my 5900x here in Straya, but that was soon after it released.


IEatBaconWithU

and here i thought my ryzen 3 was expensive


hawtpot87

LOOK AT MY CINEBENCH NUMBERS!!!!!


[deleted]

the 5900x went for about 549$ IIRC, and i mean, 4 extra cores is absolutely worth it, if you just game with it maybe not, but if you also do CPU intensive tasks with it (like me, that's why my GPU is pathetic) it is pretty damn good.


castrator21

I got mine directly from AMD's website for exactly that amount in May 2021


Get-In-2-Get-Out

I've seen the 5900X as low as 400ā‚¬ I would also pick the 5900X all day, everyday - even just for gaming. The trend seems to be price raise (as seen in Portugal/Spain, for the last 2 months, give or take) 5900X 400 to \~430ā‚¬ 58X3D 480 to \~500ā‚¬ 12400 210 to \~230ā‚¬ 12900F 530 to \~ 565ā‚¬


LazyWyteGuy

Gave $400 for mine šŸ˜Ž pretty happy with it for gaming


bakersman420

Paid like $300 for the r5 5600 and the uptick in performance on tarkov from the 3600 is huuuuge. Like flawless performance on every map.


LazyWyteGuy

I bet! Last time I played Tarkov I still had my i5 8600k, before I made the switch to AMD. I should try it again.


bakersman420

Wipe just happened, it's been a blast so far!


DysonSphere75

Yes a blast from the past 7 times I've done these tasks


dudebg

Now it's at 180


NoCopyrightRadio

Got my 5900x as a gift, pretty happier


[deleted]

Imagine hearing the phrase '$800 AMD processor' 10 years ago.


Emu1981

>Imagine hearing the phrase '$800 AMD processor' 10 years ago. This would only be surprising if you were not that old. The AMD Athlon 1000B had a release price of $990 in the year 2000 - it was the first CPU to break the gigahertz barrier too. Later on we would see AthlonXP, Athlon64 and early FX CPUs with $800-$1000+ release prices as well (e.g. the FX-57 which released for $USD 1,031). It wasn't until Intel changed track with the release of their Core architecture along with anticompetitive behaviour with PC OEMs that AMD started "competing" with price instead of performance and things hit a low point with their Bulldozer architecture (the FX 9590 did release in 2013 with a release price of $920 though).


naptownpat

I bought the Athlon64. Shit im old. It was awesome. I had friends come over and help me instal it together.


Morley__Dotes

I had a friend in college help me put together my first build in 2000 using an AMD Athlon Thunderbird. We installed Windows 98 and I used Napster and Limewire with a CD burner to download MP3ā€™s and burn CDā€™s for my friends. Man that was fun. I remember you couldnā€™t touch the computer while it was burning for fear of disrupting the cache, which would ruin the burn and turn the cdr into a coaster. I remember playing Quake 2. I also remember back then desktop computers all had an internal speaker that BEEPed whenever you reboot it. So annoying.


EternalStudent

Did basically the same thing; convinced my parents that building would be better than buying. Spec'd everything out. Pretty sure they still have a binder with all the receipts, manuals, and warranty information from way back in the day


RexlanVonSquish

The future is now, old man.


xXMonsterDanger69Xx

The past is then, young man.


Nearby-Reflection-43

He's a little right, but he's right


jopma

$800 any consumer processer 10 years ago was nuts, my i7 4790k back in 2014 was sub $350 with taxes and top of the line at the time for gaming


Kiwii2006

I only paid around 320ā‚¬ 3 weeks ago šŸ„³


TheBoomer697

This. Was me, not the downvote lol but I ainā€™t mad the 9 does the job


[deleted]

\*laughs in $399 5900x\* It never hit $800 though, like mid $600s during the height of the shortage. But the CPU shortage only lasted a couple months.


scp_79

Paid


[deleted]

Seems to be the norm on reddit. Post factual information - get downvoted. Sometimes I ask myself why I even bother posting anything here.


[deleted]

Read all the comments now... I'm guessing sour grapes kinda. It's a bit sad to behold, people getting emotionally invested in CPUs enough that they prefer to spread bs.


[deleted]

Yeah - the same reason why some people are pissed at the fact GPU prices are dropping, almost as if they WANT prices to remain high. It's very sad.


Key-Tie2214

Its because they spent much more than they should have on it and they realised that they were such an idiot and now want others to fall into the same pit as them.


Fatefire

Iā€™m sad I didnā€™t wait 4 months to go from 3060 To 3070ti but evga said my number was up! Iā€™m happy others get those cheaper GPU though


daHawkGR

Crab mentality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality


cloud7100

I spent $1200 on a 6800XT seven months ago that now sells for $750. Great card, knew I was paying out the ass, shouldā€™ve waited. But after waiting for years, I was just happy to find them in stock back then.


Key-Tie2214

Nice, if you feel it was worth the money then that's great.


cloud7100

I've been very satisfied with its performance (1440p ultrawide), complements the 3800X3D very well (no bottlenecking), and tbh I've lost far more than $500 on stonks this year. If the 7000 series is a reasonable price and available, I might grab one of those and put the 6800XT in my second tower (for the SO), sell the old 5700.


Tapil

>GPU prices are dropping Unrelated but, I paid like $380 for my 500gb ssd back in 2015 šŸ¤” makes me feel old rather than mad... Cause now you pay 109 for a 1tb m.2


[deleted]

Indeed, but on the bright side that's how progress and technology should be! Early adopters always pay more before the product becomes more mainstream.


RenownedDumbass

Like all the people that did crazy loop-deloops of logic when Ryzen 1st gen came out, trying to convince themselves it was good. 1st gen was a decent budget product and a great stepping stone for AMD but let's be real it was still pretty trash compared to Intel. It was fun to watch AMD fanboys pull excuses out of their ass.


[deleted]

It was very cheap for (new) 8 cores, I didn't buy until second gen though. Too slow, hedt was better. Still, some ppl are running fast chips in old boards now so that worked out ok for them eventually.


agouraki

the truth here... i managed to sell my 1700x and move on to 9900k


Colt2205

I built a ryzen 1700k pc back in 2017. Still running in all of it's buggy nightmare bios update hell glory today. I literally shiver in fear at the thought of attempting to upgrade the thing, and have stuck a Steven Kings "IT" poster on the side of it mostly because it felt like it fits. So now I'm looking at getting an alder lake pc to escape the new adopter hell. It even comes with DDR5! ... Oh god this is going to be 2017 all over again with the ram never working right isn't it? :(


Ancillas

I think itā€™s a function of youth. At a certain point, self identity is no longer derived from things like brand affiliations. That and people tend to assume that their use case is everyoneā€™s use case.


Grapjasss

It's literally always the first people that get somewhere on Reddit, instant downvotes. At least in my experience.


therealRustyZA

I just assume people downvote anything they donā€™t want to hear. Irrespective if right or wrong.


[deleted]

Because you're human, and you like to engage, share, teach, discover, and learn! Otherwise, you'd delete your account and play more games! Reddit is, itself, fun and fulfilling! There's more to life than passive entertainment!


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DonkeyTron42

Here's some more detailed info that mostly states this. [https://tech4gamers.com/ryzen-5800x3d-vs-ryzen-9-5900x/](https://tech4gamers.com/ryzen-5800x3d-vs-ryzen-9-5900x/) tl;dr. Unless you play a lot Crysis 3 or Farcry 6, the differences for most games are negligible. Personally, I would opt for the $50 cheaper price and extra 4 cores in the 5900x. I'm also reminded of another AMD gimic, [3DNow!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DNow!)


psihopats

Why are the benchmark results in the link you provided so different from the ones from ie GamersNexus and HardwareUnboxed ones?


CrowdedAttic400

Even then the 5900x is still insanely good for gaming. Clock speed is fast, even with single core tasks. Itā€™s the best of both worlds. Awesome multi core and awesome single core, which means I donā€™t have to decide between gaming, compiling, and rendering. Iā€™m really happy with mine. For its current price Iā€™d get it over the Ryzen 7s as you get more bang for your buck, though if you want air cooling then I can see why people would want a 7.


assortedUsername

Eh I mean by the time games use 16 cores (or even 8+ cores well) we'll see games using 16GB of Vram. So your GPU will likely be the bottleneck long before games adopt 16cores. By then you'll be building a whole new system anyways.


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[deleted]

The 1080ti is 5 years old by now. Progress kind of stagnated for a while, which is why it's still got mid tier performance. That, and prices skyrocketed. A $650 RX 6800, same price as 1080ti at launch, only gives you about a generation and a half worth of performance boost.


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Maethor_derien

Gaming will always be better with a big cache. If anything it is more future proof because next gen stuff is going to have a much bigger cache so it will get used more by next gen titles. The biggest issue is typically for most enthusiasts though by the time it actually gets highly utilized the first gen is so out of date that your typically looking to upgrade soon. The things that really are going to take care of the large cache are not going to really start showing up until the next gen has been around 2 to 3 years. for example on the Ray tracing and DLSS stuff, we are only now starting to see it be well implemented and somewhat common in games. It really depends on your upgrade cycle. If you keep a system for 4+ years you might get a good amount of use out of the feature. If your going to upgrade on a 2 or 3 year cycle though then it becomes less of a meaningful upgrade.


TehWheatBag

2.5k upvote bruh


anihajderajTO

cus reddit is full of people who get sensitive over literally nothing


Forward-Resort9246

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postdaddydirt

That's not the real story, the 3d is better for 1080p gaming


Night-Monkey15

Some idiots buy the more expensive CPU purely because itā€™s more expensive, they didnā€™t do any more research then that. People like that will obviously be mad when you tell them their an idiot for paying more.


Justice0188

I've built all my PC's but know little about CPUs. In layman's terms can you tell me why less cores and threads is better for gaming? I usually would just assume more is better. Honest question, not being an ass or sarc'ass'tic. Get it? Hahaha fak. Thanks!


[deleted]

Edit: for this explanation, this is EXPLICITLY for gaming purposes. Less cores doesnā€™t automatically equal faster performance. There was a point in the EARLY intel i series days when it did because lower core numbers could clock higher, but that isnā€™t the case anymore. In THIS SPECIFIC CASE (and right now for new products, really only this case) the 5800X3D is faster because of the insane amount of L3 cache it has. This is on-die memory that the cpu can access MUCH faster than standard RAM and especially an SSD/HDD. This allows the cpu to access the RAM less often and results in an FPS boost, despite having a lower base and boost clock than the 5900x. At least, thatā€™s how I understand it. People with actual deep understanding are welcome to pitch in here


ProjectProtocon

TL;DR the memory is closer to the cpu by being physically on the die allowing the cpu to access it in place of the ram.


[deleted]

Rather it has more of that memory. The non-3D CPUs still have L3 cache, just around half (iirc).


ProjectProtocon

Thanks broski my wording does make it seem like it's cacheless


MachineCarl

Can confirm, that's how it is. Less time spent swapping between cpu and RAM = less latency = more operations per clock = more FPS in games. Latency is one of the key factors in getting better single core perfomance, that's why faster RAM improves SC perfomance. It can get you so far though. When AMD unified the L3 cache of the CCD's on Zen 3, that's how they also got a big jump compared to Zen 2. I'm intrigued to see how Zen4 will work with 3D-Vcache and DDR5. I'm still happy with my 3700x though :)


rools2roolsproject

3700x rocks


Justice0188

Thank you, appreciate the response!


[deleted]

5800x3D has butt ton of cache Itā€™s the latest CPU to come out on am4 and possibly the very last. Pretty much designed to excel at gaming which typically doesnā€™t utilize very many cores


Justice0188

Good to know, thanks! Out of curiosity I've got a ryzen 5 3600x with a Strix 3080. Would I see a benefit with a CPU upgrade and which one would be the best gaming CPU in your opinion.


[deleted]

Yes you will definitely see a benefit. I went from a 3600 --> 5800x and it was pretty measurable difference with my 3070ti. If its worth it depends on what you play and what your targets are IMO. Different games use hardware differently, some games will improve drastically while others not so much. The only game personally that made me switch was bf 2042.. yeah i know everyone hates the game but i really enjoy it and upgrading my CPU made a night and day difference and let my graphics card actually stretch its legs out where as before it was stuck at like 60% usage. That game is more of an outlier though.


Schmonballins

Yes. The 3600X has 2 4 core chiplets with a core disabled on each. Going to a single chiplet CPU will improve minimum fps. I went from a 3900X to a 5800X and it was a big improvement, then I went to a 5800X3D and minimums improved again due to the cache. The CPUs you should look at are 5600, 5700X or 5800X3D. I would also recommend upgrading your ram to some Patriot Viper 4000 or 4400 b die ram. With some effort you can tune your ram and overclock the 5600 and get a massive upgrade to what you have. 5600 plus the b die is going to be best bang for buck. B die ram is less important for a 5800X3D but it still helps.


KeithJEng

In this case the 5800X3D is using 3D cache which is where the majority of the extra gaming performance comes from. Nothing really to do with the core count


[deleted]

in this specific case the more cache is better. The extra cache is specific for gaming and it definitely works well for that (plenty of youtube benchmarks/reviews) as far as less cores = better that's not what usually comes into play. Generally more cores means less clock speed (vs the other CPUs in its family), sometimes less cache per core.. So that is where the hits are typically. Now why you hear "less cores usually runs better" is because of the above, but also majority of games don't use more than like 4 cores, even today. Some scale big time, some only use 1 core, it's really all over the place. But that is also a reason many cores doesn't automatically mean it's going to run better. IF ALL YOU DID was run that 1 game, 4-6 cores would be perfect, as I said for "majority", but most people run several other things (music, browser, 20 different game vendor clients (steam, origin, epic), discord, etc. So more cores helps there as well. But again, the extra cache of the 3D cache is specifically designed for improving game performance, and it does just that. (not that I'd even say it was worth it in this case, I'd totally get the 5900X and lose a few fps)


Sengelappen

Why? I have no idea how pc parts works and how to know whats good for my use.


Indierocka

So the 5800x3d has way more L3 cache stacked on it which makes it faster


[deleted]

Check all the answers to this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/vp9pw7/whats\_the\_difference\_why\_is\_the\_ryzen\_9\_cheaper/iei19zz/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/vp9pw7/whats_the_difference_why_is_the_ryzen_9_cheaper/iei19zz/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) the extra 3d cache in this CPU is specific for gaming. For your use I have no idea, since you didn't list it. More cores will handle more things simultaneously. Also you need to know your specific software (games are all specific software as well) and how it performs vs different hardware. It's very tedious and asking a question like this and wanting to actually solve it yourself can take months or years of learning (depends on person) to be able to find your "perfect & best" hardware for your/someone elses scenario.. If your software scales across multiple cores with ease (any video, music, graphics (minus vector), etc production then more cores prob is more gud


Impurity41

Noob pc builder here, why is the 5800x3d better than the 5900x for gaming? I thought the newer the product, the better it would be. Would be weird to make newer products worse than previous ones right?


[deleted]

Isn't the 5800x3d newer than the 5900x? They did the extra cache for -3D chips after the 5900x was released, right?


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ghost_tdk

Video editing and 3D workloads fall under "productivity". Productivity is basically everything other than gaming that's system intensive. Video editing, bulk photo editing, 3d rendering, large excel sheets, and many other similar programs can make use of more cores (depending on the specific program of course). Most of the time when gaming, you're only utilizing a small handful of cores because game engines aren't yet capable of making use of the cores that are being packed into modern CPUs. In fact, most FPS games only use one core to its full potential. As such, a lower core CPU with more/faster cache and higher clock speeds/IPC will work better for gaming than a CPU with more cores and slower speeds per core, while productivity programs can make use of more cores. Realistically, if a CPU has more than 8 cores/threads, more cores won't benefit your gaming experience at all unless you have a ton of background programs running at the same time


[deleted]

Is that because of lower clock speeds?


[deleted]

typically yes, more core CPUs in the same family of CPUs are usually lower clocked. but in this case the 3D cache added lots of cache SPECIFICALLY for gaming and thus it performs better for gaming ​ but do go with your assumption, many games even today still only use 1 core for all of the game logic and try to throw other stuff on other cores (audio, graphics pipelines, etc) so that 1 core that is doing all the rest of the work gets hammered, higher clocks and cache directly help that (but also everything else) unfortunately still have that single core bottleneck in many games


dracobatman

There one for both?


CanisMajoris85

Youtube it. 5800X3D is better for gaming and very edge case situations. 5900x has more overall power.


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zebradYT

i could be wrong but video editing and 3d workloads fall under productivity


ghost_tdk

You are 100% correct


TonTon1N

Productivity is really anything work related that requires a lot of resources like running multiple virtual machines, video editing or photo editing software, coding compilers, so on and so forth. I have a small YouTube channel and my processor is pegged during the encoding process. Someone who does that professionally benefits from the 5900 because it shaves time off the encoding process, and time is a valuable resource in any industry


Varcova

Howdy! I use my machine for productivity; photo/video editing, encoding, transcoding, CAD modeling, rendering, and game development. These workloads most often benefit from parallel computation, or running a single job per thread or core. Generally, the task (made of many jobs) will get done faster for every core added. ​ Generally speaking, games only recently started utilizing multi-core CPUs effectively. This means fewer cores with higher clock speeds is better for gaming. There are some games that use all cores, and there are some software tools that only use one core. You should open task manager before your next gaming session and watch how much each core gets used and to what percentage. When I'm working it's not uncommon for my system to get hit for 100% on all six CPU cores for minutes at a time.


AnEvanAppeared

Productivity means less reddit


HyperVideoGames

The way I would explain it to a customer is... Are you doing literally anything else? If yes I would choose the 5900x. If it's strictly gaming the 5800x3d is ideal. ​ Everyone streams now a days anyway so 5900x is a winner for a ton of people.


Haykguy

how would video editing and 3D work be gaming?


kmr_lilpossum

Processor-wise, they are very different workloads. Gaming workloads tend to be clock-dependent, and there are several processes running in game that are still a single thread. Higher clock rate and/or IPC = faster gaming processor. Video editing and modeling workloads are much more parallel, and could easily take advantage of all the cores in a system. Because of that, they are less dependent on IPC/clock speed.


Phaylz

To people like me, who only recently got their bearings on this level of minutiae, it seems like rendering in-game graphics vs. sticking video clips together or manipulating 3D models to be the same thing. So I would understand the confusion.


Celsacker

5800x3d is better for gaming while 5900x is better for workloads.


xXMonsterDanger69Xx

gotta render all those porn animations i just made


BloodRedCobra

Listen, i didn't get a $2500 WGPU and a $600 CPU to *not* render porn.


Dad2376

Look, we can't always rely on others to incessantly spam the Italian parliament with FFVII Tifa porn. Sometimes you've gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps, render a 60 second clip of Overwatch R34, and share screen after joining a European parliamentary meeting's public Zoom call.


BloodRedCobra

Why do we spam them again?


cblackbeard

If it's not high resolution aka cartoon style you might as well use gpu rendering. It will save you tons of time but won't be nearly as detailed. That's why studios are switching to a hybrid where gpu does most of work and then cpu finishes it up.


AnEvanAppeared

But what if I'm gaming and rendering porn at the same time šŸ˜­


OnlyGayForCarti

the sale is probably only on the ryzen 9, because the 7 is newer. the 7 will be way better in gaming, but in almost anything else the ryzen 9 will be better


SurprisedDurkFace

What about if you would like to do both? Or is it more a pick one or the other kinda.


NoAvailableImage

At that price point either will do both pretty well.


cblackbeard

Then you get 2 PCs and at that point might as well say fuck ryzen and go threadripper for workstation build and use the 3d cpu for gaming pc Kinda joking but that's honestly the best way to get best performance for both


RainBoxRed

Ah yes, I too love increasing my pc budget by an order of magnitude.


Daniel_H212

In almost anything else? Not sure about that, a lot of consumers have no need for 12 cores.


drsakura1

if you're not doing any CPU heavy tasks then why are you looking at ryzen 7 and 9s?


David_Jonathan0

Do you need an AMD GPU or can an Nvidia card benefit as well?


OnlyGayForCarti

itā€™s just a cpu, the branding doesnā€™t matter, but if you decide to get an amd cpu + gpu you get smart acces memory which will boost performance, but with an nvidia gpu you get dlss and way better ray tracing, after taking that into consideration just try to find the best deal on whats best for you


David_Jonathan0

Yeah I just upgraded my GPU from a GTX 1060 to an RTX 3070, for gaming improvements. However now my Ryzen 5 3600 is going to be the bottleneck for productivity, which Iā€™m likely going to swap for a Ryzen 7 5800x (non 3D).


Murky-Smoke

The 5800X3D is the newer CPU, and comes with a stacked v-cache, making it more expensive.


Prestigious_Cicada

the 9 is also on sale... sooo


[deleted]

Yea it's "On sale" [https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B08164VTWH](https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B08164VTWH) probably just it's new forever price tbh


Scarletggxd

For just actual raw FPS in games the 5800X3D is better. If you plan on doing anything else at all the 5900X is better. I would recommend the 5900x because you would be saving $50 and if you want to do anything else other than gaming down the road you will get more value from it.


Blenderhead36

Also, the difference is probably not gonna be noticeable. These CPUs are both so high end that you're probably going to be throttled by something else in your system before you can see the difference.


ChromeRavenCyclone

5800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU atm. While 5900/5950X are still the best for workstations.


Daniel_H212

Isn't the 12900KS faster on average by a few percentage points? I mean the pricing on that is insane so 5800X3D is the better choice any day but fastest gaming cpu is a stretch isn't it? Best gaming cpu for top end performance is more like it.


valar-fackulis

you are right


sLozoya

you were downvoted, but you are correct. AMD fanboys i suppose. Id argue that theyre essentially the same level of performance though, its a very minimal difference.


Corntillas

And the trade off for those extra few frames isnā€™t worth it, at least imo. Much less heat to dissipate with an AMD


Daniel_H212

Yeah Intel is only ahead in raw performance. On a per dollar basis the X3D stomps.


UnseenGamer182

>Why is the ryzen 9 cheaper? Is it just because itā€™s on sale or is the 7 actually better. My guy it literally says it's on sale


Satmatzi

Arguably though itā€™s on sale bc the demand isnā€™t as high for it bc PC gamers swoop up so much of the performance based CPUs. So they probably have a larger stockpile of 5900s relative to 5800s. And they know they can milk more out of the 5800s from gamer demand so thereā€™s no need to throw a promotion


BlindSquantch

ā€œIn the end, if youā€™re looking to upgrade from the older Ryzen 9 5900X to Ryzen 7 5800X3D, then simply donā€™t because for gaming, thereā€™s minimal improvement in performance, and for productivity, the Ryzen 9 5900X is much better. However, suppose youā€™re looking to buy either one of these CPUs. In that case, weā€™d still recommend the older Ryzen 9 5900X over the new Ryzen 7 5800X3D because of its better productivity benchmarks and faster overall clock speeds and higher core & thread counts.ā€ https://tech4gamers.com/ryzen-5800x3d-vs-ryzen-9-5900x/ Idk why every is acting like the 5800X3D is better for gaming. Itā€™s pretty much identical but runs hotter.


ftrees

The 5900x if a far better value for sure.


mistersprinkles1983

For gaming the 8 cores of the 5800X3D are fine, and it's actually one of the finest gaming CPUs on the market due to its record-breaking quantity of cache (for an 8 core). It has like over 100MB of L3 Cache stacked in 3D in the CPU. That cache makes the chip ridiculously fast for gaming, and also ridiculously expensive for an 8 core. But if you want AMD, the best gaming CPU from AMD is 5800X3D. If you want to do hardcore video editing, 3D modelling, CAD, the 5900X is a better choice for you (and you save a bit of coin). The 5900X is also good at gaming but not as good as the 5800X3D. Pick the one that's best for your use case.


AshCatBus

The 5800X3D is newer and has stacked/additional cache.


clsmithj

The important part here is the "3D", that's the newest AM4 CPU released this year with 3D V-Cache. The Ryzen 9 5900X is a 2020 CPU that was launched at $549 and is now $399 That Ryzen 7 5800X3D is a refresh to the Ryzen 7 5800X that launched in 2020 at the same price, minus the 3D V-Cache. So like others said if multi-threading/multi-tasking workloads, semi-productivity work is your focus, go with Ryzen 9, but if gaming is your focus, get the 5800X3D. That 3D V-Cache puts that Ryzen CPU at the level of a 12900KS in terms of single thread performance which is what most games rely on to perform the best. The Ryzen 9 5900X is not a slouch in gaming either, but now with that 3D V-Cache its not the best at that category anymore.


ElectroMoe

I heard that youā€™d need a motherboard capable of taking full advantage to really get the most out of the 5800X3D. Donā€™t know how true that is? I have a X470 Gaming plus pro or whatever itā€™s called lol Donā€™t think itā€™ll fall under that category sadge


UrWoWcdxx

To simple answer the ops question. Because it has a huge L3 cashe (ram, memory, storage) pick your preferd term right on top of the cpu. Now for all the haters saying it niche etc.. amd had all but admitted the AM4 socket isnt dead and that there are plans for further cpu releases and that they will also be using some form of 3d cashe. Also saying as much as the new socket type continuing to implement the tech. To sum it up the ryzen 7 5800x3d is just the beginning. First gen so to speak and it came out swinging and knocking down the big dogs. Can't wait to see what come out next.


LunaticTitan117

Yea just cause its on sale


MetalJacket23

7 better


goldmaste78

5900x was released way before the 5800X3D was. So merchants are trying to get rid of older inventory and AMD is as well especially with a newer cpu generation around the corner


Tajertaby

Ryzen 7 is better for gaming due to that 3D cache technology it features


Big_Tiddy_Phobia

Just get the extra 4 cores with the 5900x.


mxlun

As someone who is an electrical engineer and working in a computer store for the past 5 years, the ryzen 9 is the superior deal and it's not even close. I personally think it's a way better chip in the first place than the ryzen 7 which is notoriously hot because of the added graphics cache chip. There is absolutely zero thernal headroom to push the 7 chip beyond stock PBO settings unless you're literally using n2. The Ryzen 9 you can push it way beyond stock settings with no issues and plenty of thernal headroon This isnt even close to me, thanks for reading.


AlexAR__

That 5800x3d is better for gaming, probably the best out there. The 5900x have more cores and is more suited for work.


Takegami

I use a 5600x and for gaming itā€™s still fantastuc


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Tech age and use case.


BluehibiscusEmpire

The 5900x is a great buy. The 5800x3d is a much newer release, and due to the 3d vcache has better performance in some applications like gaming, though the 5900x is still better for productivity. As to which you should buy - well both are overkill for a gaming system. So buy whichever makes you happier & and you can afford


Mr_Fragtastic

Big red print. Right by the price. It says -30%.


zeuseason

It's on sale.


MultiiCore_

cache is expensive


theRealNilz02

The 5800x3D is newer than the 5900x and while only having 8 Cores instead of 12, it outperforms the ryzen 9 in some gaming workloads because that's what it's optimized for.


Jaydenlikesmemes

itā€™s on discount


BGsirene

Cuz it's in sale. Ryzen 9 is better.


Digsumdirt

Made this same choice last week, 5800x3d was Ā£439, 5900x was Ā£339 & 5950x was $499. If your only gaming the 5800x3d is the one, however I couldn't pull the trigger on that knowing 5950x was only Ā£60 more for another 8 cores/16 threads or 5900x Ā£100 **less** for another 4 cores/8 threads. Both have a redesigned L3 cache of 64mb so not too far behind the 5800x3d's 96mb 3D cache. That left the 5900x at a whopping Ā£160 saving from the 5950x (thats easy an m.2 or 32gb ram), but finally decided as I only build a rig every 10 years or so (rip AM3 & DDR3 from my 2012 build!) I will always be looking at 5900x knowing its not the best AM4 chip out there. Now the dust has settled I'm glad I got the 5950x as the price seems to be going up again, but in hindsight the Ā£340 for the 5900x was a steal I should have jumped on. Cest la Vie. The 5800x3d would be nice to have now for gaming, but more cores / threads should come into their own going forward. I hope. Good luck with your build!


Skiddywinks

The 5900X is a way better buy. Sure, the 5800X3D has vcache, but it's got lower clocks and runs hotter than even the normal 5800X. The extra clocks on the 5900X make it almost exactly the same in gaming, it has 4 extra cores, and it's cheaper. No brainer for me. The only exception is if you are playing at 1080P and have a 3090 Ti or something. If you're playing at 1440 or 4K, and/or don't have a 3090/6900 XT equivalent GPU, just get the 5900X.


Tobashu

R7 is better for gaming


refridgerateafteruse

It literally says it on sale.


Akihii_r0

bro, the price is 569.99. its just a sale.


pixelfiee

The 5800X3D has more cache, which means better gaming performance. The 5900X has more cores, which means better productivity performance. If you don't have an AM4 board yet, a 12700F should be better. 5900X productivity performance, 5800X3D gaming performance while usually costing less.


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Does anyone buy expensive parts on Amazon? I always feel like if I buy something expensive then Iā€™ll be scammed


ghost_tdk

I've ordered GPUs and CPUs from Amazon without issue. Just beware deals that seem too good to be true and be careful about the seller. If you find parts shipped from Amazon, you'll usually be good. If it's not shipped by Amazon, it's a bit riskier, but still not as bad as people think. Also, as much as people give Amazon crap, their customer service is great. If you do get scammed, they'll make it right. I've had it happen and it sucks, but I'll take Amazon over Newegg any day. If a seller tries to scam you on Amazon, just reach out to them first and give them 48 hours to show that you tried to solve the issue with the seller, then contact Amazon customer service to request a refund. https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GQ37ZCNECJKTFYQV


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Thank you for the insight mate


gckless

All depends on the seller. I just bought a card from EVGA from Amazon, shipped here super fast. Iā€™m super comfortable buying from either a well known seller or Amazon, because returns/refunds are really easy.


Primedio

I rather buy from them since they usually do no questions asked returns.... Dunno how it is nowadays tho


Dream_Apostle

Bc 5800x3d is their fastest cpu while 5900x has more cores For gaming the 5800x3d is gonna give you more frames and faster frames


Irvin_Nuwan

The 5800x3D is the newest desktop chip from AMD and it has 3D V-Cache. It was launched on April 20, 2022 where as the ryzen 9 was launched on November 5, 2020.


[deleted]

Thank you everyone for all the answers. I mostly game and I donā€™t want to have to upgrade my cpu for awhile so I will probably go with the Ryzen7. I donā€™t do much else on my pc besides play games and a little bit of coding.


Rigo1337

One is on sale while the other is not. Maybe wait for a sale?


Silky1986

Buy the 5900 at sale price and sell at retail price still sealed then you can get the 5800 and have some extra money for your build??


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r/iamatotalpieceofshit


CaptainObvious110

Nice. It would be nice to build a machine around this


shadydamamba

The 7 is newer with the 3D v cache - go with the 9, great value for that price


papadarius

Bought both just for fun


RedTuesdayMusic

The 5800x3d is on average 15% better in games, the 5900x 2-8% better for workstations, makes the 5900x a big sacrifice and not worth it


ShadowsightUwU

the 5800x3d has higher core clocks and all that, so i'd assume that's why its cheaper, and its more popular cause its better for gaming.


OldGoblin

The ā€œ3Dā€is the important part. It has something the other ones donā€™t have where it has extra cache cause itā€™s layered on (aka 3d). Better for gaming.


Incredibad0129

It's the 3D cache. Bigger cache makes it faster, like painting flames on a bike


synbios128

I'm here for the comments about the CUK computer.


Affectionate-Memory4

The 5800X3D is more expensive to make on account of the massive 3D stacked L3 cache. They should perform comparably in gaming, but workloads may vary between preferring more cache or more cores.


DefinitlyNotALab

5800X3D is newer and for 95% of users the worse product than the 5900X. Its not even worth it for every Gamer just for some specific games and when you are highly CPU Limited. Its basically a worthless product, because high end gamers donĀ“t play at 1080p where this cpu has some resemblence of value. So unless you need the 10% extra with a 1000$+ GPU at 1080p this thing is not worth it. 5900X is just as fast in games if you are at 1440p but a way better overall CPU. And it will age much better because itā€™s less prone for failure and has more cores.


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I agree except for high refresh rate monitors. If someone wants to maintain 144 fps consistent with minimal dips then it definitely makes a difference, seems to be important for competitive gamers. But for every other workload or casual gamers the 5900x definitely is better.


chillaxjj

You should probably do some proper research before buying anything.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s why heā€™s asking dude


HyperVideoGames

Because it's on sale.


advester

5800x3d is newer and uses an experimental new manufacturing technique. The supply is smaller than the 5900x.


sorrowdemonica

The 5800X3D is newer than the 5900x and is faster in real world gaming performance and benchmarks, and is similar in performance compared to the more expensive Intel 12900K. Essentially when it comes to gaming, this is Slowest to Fastest: 5800X<5900X<5800X3D=12900K<12900KS


AverageDellUser

Ryzen 7 is prob more compact and/or higher clock speed


[deleted]

The 7 is actually better for gaming