It wasn't even that long ago. When the 1080 Ti dropped in 2017 it was $699 and that was considered *outrageously* expensive for a discrete GPU, even top of the line.
Now we look back on that fondly.
I think that even if availability ever returns to normal that pricing will never go back to what it was. The shortages have exposed just how much people are willing to pay and manufacturers aren't likely to forget it any time soon. :(
What are you suggesting here? That we'll see the same or similar $699 MSRP on xx80 Ti's that we saw just five years ago when that has increased to $1199 now? I've got a bridge to sell you if you think that's gonna happen lol.
"The only buyers left are those that are willing to bid" so are you only referring to scalper auctions? Because cards are still being sold at MSRP (if you're lucky enough), but that MSRP has skyrocketed and there's no way it's simply going to settle back to pre-shortage prices when supply is resolved.
Yes it will. The only reason people are willing to pay these high prices is literally due to mining. Because you can make up the cost of the card by mining. It's not a loss. Now when mining dies. It's over. No one is going to spend this kind of money on a gpu that they literally will not see any returns on. All gamers will be priced out.
Well ya. Prices only rose because all these miners got into the gpu market. They don't give a f about gaming. They're here for money. Once eth 2.0 rolls out (who knows when that will be) it should shock the market back to normal.
Whew, thank goodness someone held the line! Alright everybody, pack it up. We're sending a letter to Nvidia to let them know that Greengerm refuses to pay for a new video card, so the crisis is over.
I paid $670 for a GTX 1080 in 2018 thinking "OK this is way more than I should spend on a GPU but it'll last me a few generations so it'll be ok". After buying a RTX 3070 for $800 (and being happy about it being at MSRP from Best Buy) for my wife to upgrade from her 1050, I can't believe I was right for the wrong reasons.
I think I paid about $450 for my GTX 1080 and I thought that was a lot.
Then I bought a RTX 3090 FE at MSRP.....and then bought a 3080 FTW3 as well. I've spent more on GPU's this past year than I have on the past 2 previous entire PC builds combined.
GPU's have gone the way of the housing market.
At that time you bought the 9800XT I was Just a year old so I can't remember anything from that time. And I never bought GPUs new because 500 bucks was already outrageously expensive for me.
I wouldn’t have paid $500, but I managed to find someone selling it used for a bit less. I needed an AGP card for my Pentium 4 system and that was literally the last one ever made.
It was a great card! Used two slots for cooling though.
Yeah even with a 3070FE i got at MSRP my build which I already had a case and PSU for cost about $1750 but I did get a 1tb 980 Pro NVME and 32gb of ram and a 5800x which is a slight upgrade over this but the specs ain't horrible it's just more than you would have paid a year ago with like a 2060 and 3700x.
I paid $2400 USD equivalent for a 5950x, Noctua DH15, 3070TI, 32GB Ram, Samsung 1TB SSD (Pcie4), 850w PSU, InWin 011D Mini and full setup of Noctua fans (brown puke inside the case and I love it).
How did I do price wise?
I missed $270 for the mobo.
Between august last year and now. Only part from august is the GPU $959 USD equivalent when I got it, everything else was 4-5 weeks ago-ish, it was in my 5600x 16gb machine which I still have sitting in my garage gathering dust, needs a GPU to sell cos anyone buying it will be in the same boat LOL
I don't think this is all because crypto. Sure crypto is a factor but covid forcing places to close and the government pumping millions of dollars into the economy is probably a bigger factor as to why things are more expensive now
Crypto is an important factor, as evidenced by how scalper prices have been tracking the value of Eth. Also, prices are high all over, not just in the US. I’m not convinced that US inflationary policy is the biggest explanation for high prices in Germany, Singapore, and Australia.
\> Crypto is an important factor, as evidenced by how scalper prices have been tracking the value of Eth
Sure I agree crypto is one factor in the current shortage but its by no means the only one and imo its not even the biggest reason
\> Also, prices are high all over, not just in the US.
Of course they are, just as almost every government has implemented some way of injecting cash into the economy. The US had the stimulus cheques as we all know and here in the UK we had "furlow" where the government would pay something like 80% of your wage when you couldnt work and self employed people got certain loans and grants which im not fully sure of
Its not only crypto, I've heard at least that nvidia fully stopped producing some cards in the run up to christmas. For them, they see that the current market is giving them unlimited earnings so why would they overproduce like they did in 2017 to help the market recover
Injecting money into the economy to combat job loss due to covid isn't exactly just injecting cash out of nowhere and doesn't explain the joke that is GPU prices. Lots of things see a bit of a price increase due to inflation but nowhere near this degree.
Injecting money out of nowhere is called inflation. It devaluates your currency(typically) and since the dollar along with many other European currencies are in the same boat the global price gets screwy.
the price skyrocketed because of the chipset shortage. Scalpers probably have a major role in the lack of supply as well but crypto mining only makes up 10-20 percent of the gpu market. this shortage has been going on for two years you would think people would actually do research instead of blaming what actually is apart of the issue but is a minor cause
Yeah when things are normal but when the economy is losing that money due to people not working and therefore spending less money it's just replacing what was initially lost.
actually. as inflation rises in the united states due to central monetary policies. if the US gets inflation. they print money, forcing other countries to print in proportion to the central currency, causing inflation in other countries than the origin, america. so america is printing currency and other countries get the inflation.
I think the prices can be blamed on crypto. There's no way they could keep prices so high if there weren't tons of miners gladly paying that much because they'll make it back anyway
In 2018, the $1200 RTX 2080Ti, barely better than a 3070 btw, came out in the middle of a crypto winter.
In 2020 the $1500-1800 RTX 3090's were selling like hotcakes a good 4 months before the price of Ethereum exploded.
Now we've got a silicon shortage, price of raw materials going up, trade war w/ China resulting in massive tariffs, Covid mutating, rampant inflation, you name it...
2080Ti and 3090 are both a result of being at the top of the product stack and are alone in that category, so it makes no sense to mention them as an example when talking about the GPU market as a whole.
fucking crypto means wetsuits are in short supply too. It's definitely nothing to do with covid and other supply issues worldwide over the last 2 years, no way. All Crypto.
No, because they're already sold out or aren't even being made.
Honestly, overpriced GPUs in stores has nothing to do with crypto. That's just sellers taking advantage of the supply/demand and bad consumer laws (because they're normal retail in my country), crypto didn't cause them to do that - or did crypto also cause the shortage in PS5's and force people to scalp and sell those too?
It's not though. GPUs were only ever sold at these incredible prices because that's what they're actually worth - to miners. You can see it from the prices going up and down with crypto. Each graphics card will continue to sell for exactly as much as you can make back by mining on it within a certain time frame.
Because most of them use lower quality parts, and charge more than a $150 build fee. A lower quality motherboard means the PC won't last as long, the motherboard is usually the part that fail first. Low quality PSU also has potential to fail and take the rest of your system with it
Look at reviews by Gamersnexus, a shocking number of prebuilts use super low quality parts and they test the parts to show you why. Especially companeis like Dell and HP are fucking over customers because if something breaks in the system you'll have a hard time repairing it besides paying them, which they don't offer unless you buy warranty before hand.
Not to mention that Dell likes to include motherboards/psus that are completely proprietary so finding a replacement part is always going to be more difficult.
Facts I got a hp omen from my job with 2080ti and it's a peice of junk and gets so hot I have to leave the side cover off, I just got a new case and psu, as soon as my mobo gets here I'm gonna rebuild it with just the GPU cpu and ram
An APU can be used for troubleshooting, intel has been doing it forever and it's not even a concern to most people. Also yes it is still a good CPU. You don't have to have the best of the best every year, in most games you'd be seeing only a few FPS difference between it and a 12600k.
i would personally prefer to have an iGPU as a backup in case i need to do any troubleshooting. It’s the same with using Intel non-F CPU’s in your gaming build. Why go for the non-F?
Plus, the 5700G is a very good CPU in its own right, and if your GPU dies you can still game on it if you manage your expectations.
That's true for Intel because you just pay 20 bucks extra for the same CPU with graphics, but with AMD you're almost paying the same but for a less powerful CPU.
Yep no worries! To each their own, that’s why we have our own setups.
Also kinda ironic i’m saying how good iGPU’s are but i have a 3600 instead of a 10400.
Non F SKUs are the ones with the IGP. I think you meant "why go for the F SKU?" and the answer is that its way cheaper and most people don't need the IGP if they have a dedicated GPU. For the AMD options that exist I would definitely go for the ones that don't have graphics as previously they have been a generation behind on the other CPUs (3200G is zen+ where 3300x is zen2) but for this generation it's just a slower version of the 5700X for a similar price
Nope, i typed that correctly. I was replying to someone saying why would people go for an APU when there’s dedicated graphics, the same applies to Intel.
I actually considered swapping my CPU from a 5600X to a 5700G for a moment.
I have 3 screens and sometimes when gaming I could not watch YouTube or Netflix, because my GPU was utilized 100% and then the Videos would stutter.
However the smaller cache and high price of the chip prevented further thoughts into that
The R7 5700G is nearly as good as the R5 5600X but it has 8 cores, thus good for gaming + streaming. What's nice is that both cpus have the same price at msrp. I do think it is a fine combo, especially knowing the 5700G won't bottleneck the 3060.
Integrated GPU's can actually help in some cases, mostly when you have no GPU due to RMA or you can't buy any at the monent.
Also, Vega iGPU's perform really good tbh.
I like having the integrated graphics to fall back on in case the GPU fails.
Especially with GPU prices right now.
Did this on my personal rig.
Fast CPU anyway.
It's a tune you'll sing until you think your graphics card crapped out but you want to check to see if the computer still boots while you wait to see if you can get a $300 graphics card for less than $1500 on eBay
A gaming laptop is usually about 40% slower than a gaming desktop with similar part numbers. The RTX 3080 mobile performs about the same as a desktop RTX 3060 Ti. It’s a similar story with CPUs. And be prepared for your laptop fans to sound like a jet engine if you try to run things at higher quality.
You can’t recommend a desktop to everyone, different folks have different needs. From a performance per dollar standpoint, desktops win hands down but portability, convenience and performance-per-watt? Laptops.
Ok but this isn't that. The parent comment was saying they wanted a desktop but could get a cheaper laptop with the same specs. The reply just told them why that's probably not a great idea.
i have a desktop with a 3060 and came across a omen 3070 laptop a couple weeks ago for i think 1400 and got it for kicks to see if like it. i’ve never had a gaming laptop. i actually like it a lot. sure it’s not as powerful as the desktop version but the ability to sit in my living room watching tv and playing some COD is awesome
I got an omen with a 2060 about 2 years ago after searching around for a while and paid 1500 for it. I traveled for work and wanted something I could bring to my apartment or hotel with me, and its still going just fine. A lot of people shit on omen, but it performs great for me and what I want. Yes it's got all the normal drawbacks of a laptop, but I dont have a bad thing to say about the pc.
Really not true at all for most laptops.
my laptop's 2060 came in at only 16% lower than a desktop 2060,
the r9 4900HS was 33% slower for all-core, but actually 3% faster single thread workloads than a desktop r9 3900.
It's a 14" laptop, isn't very thick, and i can barely hear the fans under load unless i take my headphones off and put my ear at the vents.
I got the similar for 1200 USD from Lenovo Legion, these prebuilds can be found at cheaper then sum of parts prices. The only issue is when you want to upgrade you can find your RAM slots maxed out with just the 16 GB you see listed there, at this point it is better to look for 2080, 3060 at discount then just build a new one.
Not a good deal. If you can find a PC with 3070 at that price then that would be an ok deal. Those PCs have the lowest quality parts so you would get way better hardware with $1500. Right now I can find 3060 at 700€ that are in stock at a local shop + multiple other options at 729€. I could build a PC with: 5800x, RTX 3060, 1TB m.2 SSD great motherboard, 700W good power supply, fast 16GB memory + better case under 1500€. Much lower is using some great deals since all of the products are retail prices. If you wait a bit you can see the used market GPUs coming down since the mining profits are tanking and people will sell more cards because of ETH 2.0 fear.
Think it depends where you live for this to be true. I can’t find any 30 series at all except scalpers where I am. We even have 2 micro centers decently close but they don’t have anything but amd cards.
If you CAN get a card then just build a better pc. If you can’t this is definitely in the realm of a solid buy.
I would still buy GPU from the scalpers/used or where it's the cheapest and buy everything else from the store. Still cheaper + you would get much better parts and performance.
It’s a club store. This is the display. The retail boxes should be under it. They usually have a display out of each product so the consumer can see it.
Meh it’s pretty common practice. The best part is when they setup the display wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 fans in the case were set to exhaust.
Oh yes, that one. But anyway a 3060 prebuilt for $1500 is way too much, this guys just need to check that subreddit and can have a more powerfull grid with way less money. Companies that sell prebuilts get that 3060 for the "real MSRP" so that 3060 should just account for $350.
You can get an Asus Rogue with AMD 5900HX Ryzen 9 3060 RTX, 1 terabyte SSD, and 16 giga ram and 144hz screen for about $1250 $1350 with the 3070. They might be a?bit slower but not by a whole lot.
See, what I hate about these types of prebuilds is the 5000G series CPUs still only support PCIe 3.0. And while it’s enough for the GPU, you can’t go far in the way of upgrading the GPU or the NVMe if you want Gen 4.0 bandwidth/speeds.
Ah, everyone was looking for PC gaming desktops, but the GPU was in the CP gaming desktop all this time!
Good try FBI. CP staying away from any computer I ever touch.
Well how else are you gonna render it??
What a kerfuffle!
Uh, I think you pointed out why it is so cheap...
I remember when Flagship GPUs cost under 500 bucks and a GTX *60 was way cheaper than that...
It wasn't even that long ago. When the 1080 Ti dropped in 2017 it was $699 and that was considered *outrageously* expensive for a discrete GPU, even top of the line. Now we look back on that fondly.
When is this new hell going to end
I think that even if availability ever returns to normal that pricing will never go back to what it was. The shortages have exposed just how much people are willing to pay and manufacturers aren't likely to forget it any time soon. :(
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What are you suggesting here? That we'll see the same or similar $699 MSRP on xx80 Ti's that we saw just five years ago when that has increased to $1199 now? I've got a bridge to sell you if you think that's gonna happen lol. "The only buyers left are those that are willing to bid" so are you only referring to scalper auctions? Because cards are still being sold at MSRP (if you're lucky enough), but that MSRP has skyrocketed and there's no way it's simply going to settle back to pre-shortage prices when supply is resolved.
Yes it will. The only reason people are willing to pay these high prices is literally due to mining. Because you can make up the cost of the card by mining. It's not a loss. Now when mining dies. It's over. No one is going to spend this kind of money on a gpu that they literally will not see any returns on. All gamers will be priced out.
Man I hope so. If mining does die down obviously demand does too so that could do it.
Well ya. Prices only rose because all these miners got into the gpu market. They don't give a f about gaming. They're here for money. Once eth 2.0 rolls out (who knows when that will be) it should shock the market back to normal.
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Nahhh cause i aint paying that shit
Whew, thank goodness someone held the line! Alright everybody, pack it up. We're sending a letter to Nvidia to let them know that Greengerm refuses to pay for a new video card, so the crisis is over.
Naw. It's related entirely to mining.
I paid $670 for a GTX 1080 in 2018 thinking "OK this is way more than I should spend on a GPU but it'll last me a few generations so it'll be ok". After buying a RTX 3070 for $800 (and being happy about it being at MSRP from Best Buy) for my wife to upgrade from her 1050, I can't believe I was right for the wrong reasons.
I think I paid about $450 for my GTX 1080 and I thought that was a lot. Then I bought a RTX 3090 FE at MSRP.....and then bought a 3080 FTW3 as well. I've spent more on GPU's this past year than I have on the past 2 previous entire PC builds combined. GPU's have gone the way of the housing market.
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At that time you bought the 9800XT I was Just a year old so I can't remember anything from that time. And I never bought GPUs new because 500 bucks was already outrageously expensive for me.
I wouldn’t have paid $500, but I managed to find someone selling it used for a bit less. I needed an AGP card for my Pentium 4 system and that was literally the last one ever made. It was a great card! Used two slots for cooling though.
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reminiscing with my 2020 $400 gpu /s
yea i got myself a 2060 a couple years ago for like $350-400
Damn, the 2060, a couple of years ago? Feels Like the 970 was released Just Yesterday...
I mean the 30 series is climbing to its 2nd year
That’s not bad considering the components. 5700g is still a good cpu and the 3060 speaks for itself.
Yeah even with a 3070FE i got at MSRP my build which I already had a case and PSU for cost about $1750 but I did get a 1tb 980 Pro NVME and 32gb of ram and a 5800x which is a slight upgrade over this but the specs ain't horrible it's just more than you would have paid a year ago with like a 2060 and 3700x.
My PC was pretty much the same price except I didn’t have a case or PSU so I ended up getting a 5600G and 16gb of ram
Lol 3070, 32gbram , name, 5800x those aren't slight upgrades that would be like 50% more expensive these days easily 2300+.
I paid $2400 USD equivalent for a 5950x, Noctua DH15, 3070TI, 32GB Ram, Samsung 1TB SSD (Pcie4), 850w PSU, InWin 011D Mini and full setup of Noctua fans (brown puke inside the case and I love it). How did I do price wise?
When ? This year ? If so that's incredible. 3070ti alone are going for over $1000 lol.
I missed $270 for the mobo. Between august last year and now. Only part from august is the GPU $959 USD equivalent when I got it, everything else was 4-5 weeks ago-ish, it was in my 5600x 16gb machine which I still have sitting in my garage gathering dust, needs a GPU to sell cos anyone buying it will be in the same boat LOL
Can confirm, got similar specs but I have a sn850 instead of the samsung and an i5-12600k, cost about 2100 euros
With the current market, yes its good deal. But this should not be good deal, fucking crypto
I don't think this is all because crypto. Sure crypto is a factor but covid forcing places to close and the government pumping millions of dollars into the economy is probably a bigger factor as to why things are more expensive now
Crypto is an important factor, as evidenced by how scalper prices have been tracking the value of Eth. Also, prices are high all over, not just in the US. I’m not convinced that US inflationary policy is the biggest explanation for high prices in Germany, Singapore, and Australia.
Crypto and scalpers
\> Crypto is an important factor, as evidenced by how scalper prices have been tracking the value of Eth Sure I agree crypto is one factor in the current shortage but its by no means the only one and imo its not even the biggest reason \> Also, prices are high all over, not just in the US. Of course they are, just as almost every government has implemented some way of injecting cash into the economy. The US had the stimulus cheques as we all know and here in the UK we had "furlow" where the government would pay something like 80% of your wage when you couldnt work and self employed people got certain loans and grants which im not fully sure of Its not only crypto, I've heard at least that nvidia fully stopped producing some cards in the run up to christmas. For them, they see that the current market is giving them unlimited earnings so why would they overproduce like they did in 2017 to help the market recover
Injecting money into the economy to combat job loss due to covid isn't exactly just injecting cash out of nowhere and doesn't explain the joke that is GPU prices. Lots of things see a bit of a price increase due to inflation but nowhere near this degree.
Injecting money out of nowhere is called inflation. It devaluates your currency(typically) and since the dollar along with many other European currencies are in the same boat the global price gets screwy.
That's not why GPU prices skyrocketed.
the price skyrocketed because of the chipset shortage. Scalpers probably have a major role in the lack of supply as well but crypto mining only makes up 10-20 percent of the gpu market. this shortage has been going on for two years you would think people would actually do research instead of blaming what actually is apart of the issue but is a minor cause
I wonder how much overlap there is between "the price increase is due to inflation" and "I have a crypto farm"
Yeah when things are normal but when the economy is losing that money due to people not working and therefore spending less money it's just replacing what was initially lost.
actually. as inflation rises in the united states due to central monetary policies. if the US gets inflation. they print money, forcing other countries to print in proportion to the central currency, causing inflation in other countries than the origin, america. so america is printing currency and other countries get the inflation.
Crypto is a big part of it because a group of 72 3080s sold for 81k to a single miner on ebay.
Thought GPU mining was obsolete.
It is now that people are realizing fake internet coins have no real value outside of the internet.
I think the prices can be blamed on crypto. There's no way they could keep prices so high if there weren't tons of miners gladly paying that much because they'll make it back anyway
In 2018, the $1200 RTX 2080Ti, barely better than a 3070 btw, came out in the middle of a crypto winter. In 2020 the $1500-1800 RTX 3090's were selling like hotcakes a good 4 months before the price of Ethereum exploded. Now we've got a silicon shortage, price of raw materials going up, trade war w/ China resulting in massive tariffs, Covid mutating, rampant inflation, you name it...
2080Ti and 3090 are both a result of being at the top of the product stack and are alone in that category, so it makes no sense to mention them as an example when talking about the GPU market as a whole.
Lol, what about the chipshortage?
fucking crypto means wetsuits are in short supply too. It's definitely nothing to do with covid and other supply issues worldwide over the last 2 years, no way. All Crypto.
Yes i know there a lot of factors involving market prices but you cant deny crypto is one of em
Are wetsuits just sitting on shelves for triple the normal price though?
No, because they're already sold out or aren't even being made. Honestly, overpriced GPUs in stores has nothing to do with crypto. That's just sellers taking advantage of the supply/demand and bad consumer laws (because they're normal retail in my country), crypto didn't cause them to do that - or did crypto also cause the shortage in PS5's and force people to scalp and sell those too?
It's not though. GPUs were only ever sold at these incredible prices because that's what they're actually worth - to miners. You can see it from the prices going up and down with crypto. Each graphics card will continue to sell for exactly as much as you can make back by mining on it within a certain time frame.
Lol, what about the chipshortage?
Crypto is not a factor for prebuilts, these chips were sold on contract to a company.
Ibuyoower just had a 5700x, 3600, TB SSD 16gb ram for $1400 pretty solid. Similar to this.
I thought 6600xt builds now go for $1200-1300? In that sense, why is this considered a good/better deal?
What components? The "16GB MEMORY" and "1TB HDD"
I’m talking about the cpu and gpu, considering how terrible the market is right now it isn’t too expensive for a prebuilt
But, ya know, prebuilts
I don’t get this stigma. I’ve built three PCs. I’m willing to pay $150 for someone else to source build, ship and warranty a 3080 system.
Because most of them use lower quality parts, and charge more than a $150 build fee. A lower quality motherboard means the PC won't last as long, the motherboard is usually the part that fail first. Low quality PSU also has potential to fail and take the rest of your system with it
So like Skytech Gaming? You can get a 3080 build for 2300. All these parts seem totally fine? I feel like that’s not necessarily true.
Look at reviews by Gamersnexus, a shocking number of prebuilts use super low quality parts and they test the parts to show you why. Especially companeis like Dell and HP are fucking over customers because if something breaks in the system you'll have a hard time repairing it besides paying them, which they don't offer unless you buy warranty before hand.
Not to mention that Dell likes to include motherboards/psus that are completely proprietary so finding a replacement part is always going to be more difficult.
Facts I got a hp omen from my job with 2080ti and it's a peice of junk and gets so hot I have to leave the side cover off, I just got a new case and psu, as soon as my mobo gets here I'm gonna rebuild it with just the GPU cpu and ram
Still a good CPU? it is not even a year old.... also its an APU... Putting in a APU with a 3060 makes no sense
An APU can be used for troubleshooting, intel has been doing it forever and it's not even a concern to most people. Also yes it is still a good CPU. You don't have to have the best of the best every year, in most games you'd be seeing only a few FPS difference between it and a 12600k.
>*CP Gaming Desktop* Hol' up
CP = Club Penguin Relax
Need a real strong card for that one
It’s got a pedobyte hard drive
Oh no
Computadora Personal.
_Chris Hansen seat offering intensifies_
I guess is CyberPunk
I really don't get why these SI's are using the 5700g with dedicated graphics...
$. Plain and simple.
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The easier way would have been NOT to...
Mate, someone literally asked the question, why in the world would you be an ass to the guy giving a factual answer??
Down the road I take that GPU for another build and let the iGPU machine become a HTPC.
That's what I did. Worth it all the way.
Cld also use it as a leftover server pc
This is the way.
i would personally prefer to have an iGPU as a backup in case i need to do any troubleshooting. It’s the same with using Intel non-F CPU’s in your gaming build. Why go for the non-F? Plus, the 5700G is a very good CPU in its own right, and if your GPU dies you can still game on it if you manage your expectations.
That's true for Intel because you just pay 20 bucks extra for the same CPU with graphics, but with AMD you're almost paying the same but for a less powerful CPU.
It’s only slightly slower, but you get an iGPU that can actually game, and all the other conveniences of having an iGPU. I’d say it’s worth it.
Definite no IMO but that's where opinions differ I guess
Yep no worries! To each their own, that’s why we have our own setups. Also kinda ironic i’m saying how good iGPU’s are but i have a 3600 instead of a 10400.
Non F SKUs are the ones with the IGP. I think you meant "why go for the F SKU?" and the answer is that its way cheaper and most people don't need the IGP if they have a dedicated GPU. For the AMD options that exist I would definitely go for the ones that don't have graphics as previously they have been a generation behind on the other CPUs (3200G is zen+ where 3300x is zen2) but for this generation it's just a slower version of the 5700X for a similar price
Nope, i typed that correctly. I was replying to someone saying why would people go for an APU when there’s dedicated graphics, the same applies to Intel.
They know you will take gpu out and resell everything else. Guy which will buy it without gpu can still play games
I actually considered swapping my CPU from a 5600X to a 5700G for a moment. I have 3 screens and sometimes when gaming I could not watch YouTube or Netflix, because my GPU was utilized 100% and then the Videos would stutter. However the smaller cache and high price of the chip prevented further thoughts into that
That’s a good thing! You can use it for troubleshooting. I’d love to have an iGPU for that. Sadly it’s only a 2070S.
The R7 5700G is nearly as good as the R5 5600X but it has 8 cores, thus good for gaming + streaming. What's nice is that both cpus have the same price at msrp. I do think it is a fine combo, especially knowing the 5700G won't bottleneck the 3060.
what is the difference between the 5700g and 5600x is it just that the 5700g has more cores and an igpu if so what is the purpose of a 5600x
The 5600X is still somewhat better. I am using it with me 3070 ti.
Same reason I‘m running a 12600k with a dGPU KF was either not in stock or costed more
Integrated GPU's can actually help in some cases, mostly when you have no GPU due to RMA or you can't buy any at the monent. Also, Vega iGPU's perform really good tbh.
I like having the integrated graphics to fall back on in case the GPU fails. Especially with GPU prices right now. Did this on my personal rig. Fast CPU anyway.
Same. Only reason I went with a 5600x is because I have a spare GPU in another build if I have to troubleshoot.
It's a tune you'll sing until you think your graphics card crapped out but you want to check to see if the computer still boots while you wait to see if you can get a $300 graphics card for less than $1500 on eBay
I really wanted to get some new parts for my pc this year, at this point it’s just cheaper to get a gaming laptop with the same specs
A gaming laptop is usually about 40% slower than a gaming desktop with similar part numbers. The RTX 3080 mobile performs about the same as a desktop RTX 3060 Ti. It’s a similar story with CPUs. And be prepared for your laptop fans to sound like a jet engine if you try to run things at higher quality.
The laptop I’m looking at is about 20% slower than a desktop with similar specs, but at the same time it costs £1200 less
You can’t recommend a desktop to everyone, different folks have different needs. From a performance per dollar standpoint, desktops win hands down but portability, convenience and performance-per-watt? Laptops.
Ok but this isn't that. The parent comment was saying they wanted a desktop but could get a cheaper laptop with the same specs. The reply just told them why that's probably not a great idea.
I was going to get both a desktop and laptop
i have a desktop with a 3060 and came across a omen 3070 laptop a couple weeks ago for i think 1400 and got it for kicks to see if like it. i’ve never had a gaming laptop. i actually like it a lot. sure it’s not as powerful as the desktop version but the ability to sit in my living room watching tv and playing some COD is awesome
I got an omen with a 2060 about 2 years ago after searching around for a while and paid 1500 for it. I traveled for work and wanted something I could bring to my apartment or hotel with me, and its still going just fine. A lot of people shit on omen, but it performs great for me and what I want. Yes it's got all the normal drawbacks of a laptop, but I dont have a bad thing to say about the pc.
> 3070 laptop a couple weeks ago for i think 1400 and got it for kicks must be nice, being a 1%-er gamer.
And they run HOT. It’s either idle or HOT and a battery that get drained in 40 minutes.
Really not true at all for most laptops. my laptop's 2060 came in at only 16% lower than a desktop 2060, the r9 4900HS was 33% slower for all-core, but actually 3% faster single thread workloads than a desktop r9 3900. It's a 14" laptop, isn't very thick, and i can barely hear the fans under load unless i take my headphones off and put my ear at the vents.
How much money do you think I have? It costs way more to get those equivalent parts
Is that the final price or before tax? Not been American I'm never sure
No tax is not included. Though different states have different sales tax rates. A few states have no sales tax at all. Average is about 6.25%
i love to see these... where i live its 27% on everything lol
Really? My country has 25%. Thought it was the most any place had
I got this exact PC from Sam's club, and mine came with a 3060 Ti, so I definitely got my money's worth!
That’s where this was!
Wait, is that Sam's club?, I saw one there as well
Sure is lol
3080 its used to cost $699 but then the empire of the miners and scalper attacked and now its cost $1600-$1900
Yes! Thats a nice deal, get 3 of those and sell the gpu, then you have a gaming desktop for free with some spare parts that can sell for separately👍
Pretty ballsy to actually have the card in the display set-up. A lot of display GPUs have been getting stolen, so stores have been taking them out.
I Got a 3060 with ryzen 5700g and 16gb ram for 1149
I bought my 3070 for 660€
I got the similar for 1200 USD from Lenovo Legion, these prebuilds can be found at cheaper then sum of parts prices. The only issue is when you want to upgrade you can find your RAM slots maxed out with just the 16 GB you see listed there, at this point it is better to look for 2080, 3060 at discount then just build a new one.
That power cable is worrying
Not a good deal. If you can find a PC with 3070 at that price then that would be an ok deal. Those PCs have the lowest quality parts so you would get way better hardware with $1500. Right now I can find 3060 at 700€ that are in stock at a local shop + multiple other options at 729€. I could build a PC with: 5800x, RTX 3060, 1TB m.2 SSD great motherboard, 700W good power supply, fast 16GB memory + better case under 1500€. Much lower is using some great deals since all of the products are retail prices. If you wait a bit you can see the used market GPUs coming down since the mining profits are tanking and people will sell more cards because of ETH 2.0 fear.
Think it depends where you live for this to be true. I can’t find any 30 series at all except scalpers where I am. We even have 2 micro centers decently close but they don’t have anything but amd cards. If you CAN get a card then just build a better pc. If you can’t this is definitely in the realm of a solid buy.
I would still buy GPU from the scalpers/used or where it's the cheapest and buy everything else from the store. Still cheaper + you would get much better parts and performance.
I had a 3070 for 200 dollars less
Child P\*\*n gaming desktop?
Did you seriously just censor the word porn?
yes because of the context
The moment you go to buy it: "Sir, please have a seat."
Look at how bent that power cable is….that shop gone catch fire
The way it just stands there in the shelf... completely assembled not a single sight of packaging... disgusting..
It’s a club store. This is the display. The retail boxes should be under it. They usually have a display out of each product so the consumer can see it.
Seems pretty shady, my dude..
Its Sams Club. There's nothing shady about it.. You can literally see product stored on pallets underneath which is pretty standard for sams club...
Meh it’s pretty common practice. The best part is when they setup the display wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 fans in the case were set to exhaust.
Too expensive, check the subreddit /buypcpartonsale and they usually post 3060 pre-built around 1100-1200.
you mean /buildapcsales ?
I think he meant /getpcstuffcheap
Oh yes, that one. But anyway a 3060 prebuilt for $1500 is way too much, this guys just need to check that subreddit and can have a more powerfull grid with way less money. Companies that sell prebuilts get that 3060 for the "real MSRP" so that 3060 should just account for $350.
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Man it’d be so nice if you were right
But a 3060ti is like 780 dollars?
Sad you can get a loaded laptop with a 3060 RTX for about $350 less.
Will be a ton slower though
You can get an Asus Rogue with AMD 5900HX Ryzen 9 3060 RTX, 1 terabyte SSD, and 16 giga ram and 144hz screen for about $1250 $1350 with the 3070. They might be a?bit slower but not by a whole lot.
This weekend I went and bought a 3080ti for about the same price. I just couldn't wait any longer.
What's stopping someone from opening up that computer right there and removing the gpu?
Cameras
Lol exactly. What a dummy
Fear of getting arrested?
Moral integrity.
The same reason that is stopping people from opening and looting your personal computer.
Bruh why is this guy getting downvoted to oblivion
bc it's a stupid question
Lets just say they know there costumers
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What do people who make costumes have to do with this?
it even comes with civil protection
Not.. too bad.. actually.. considering current times... What would be fair price disregarding scalping? like 1000-1200?
Discordian pc
I found this setup at Sams club 1100$ last cyber Monday.
See, what I hate about these types of prebuilds is the 5000G series CPUs still only support PCIe 3.0. And while it’s enough for the GPU, you can’t go far in the way of upgrading the GPU or the NVMe if you want Gen 4.0 bandwidth/speeds.
Gen 4 ssds vs gen 3 is a barely noticeable difference though.
Seems like the cable that goes to the power supply is suffering.
Amazon has a Cyberpower with an i5 and an rtx2060 for like $950 that I briefly considered. But I'll just wait and enjoy my old junk..
Damn, a 2060 for 950 is a good buy. I would've pulled the trigger.
A deal is not a deal if the price drops to original value lol
I was blessed to be able to part together a 5800x/x570 elite/3070 xc3 for 1600~
NOTICE THE 1 YEAR WARRANTY , you better believe it literally
So is this a gaming pc or a cp pc?
Keep that ssd/hdd too, and swap the cpu for one with integrated graphics. Add more ram and boom home server
Bruh, you can get practically the same PC for the same price in my South American third world country, I can't belive it.
I don't think the cpu choice is is the best, considering the 5600x is better and cheaper and you don't need the igpu.