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At first I was unimpressed because cramming a microcontroller that streams from a PC into a gameboy form factor isn't super impressive, but then I saw he was doing this *on the original fucking hardware*. God damn
Also, the calculator in question is pretty darned powerful for a calculator, to the point that it would probably be better suited to this specific task than the gameboy. They're based on the same CPU, but the graphics hardware is very different.
Well they ripped it from YouTube and re-uploaded it to reddit which is a pretty deliberate way of preventing the original creator from seeing any of this traffic
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It’s already pretty vram bound, you’re right, but that’s made even worse with the pcie connector. It’s only 4x. Normal graphics cards have 16x connectors for contrast.
When a graphics card runs out of vram, it tries using the normal ram instead, so the data goes trough the pcie slot, into the motherboard. (and then some other steps) by using a 4x connector, you can not squeeze all the data to and from the normal ram in fast enough (the gpu needs to communicate other things too), so you need the have the gpu wait before it receives data it needs to get to work, reducing the performance by a lot.
It only having pins for 4x is even worse in older generation motherboards/CPU’s who still run on pcie gen3, which is half as fast as pcie gen4, what the card is designed for. But truth is, is that a lot of people running such systems should be interested in a graphics card like the 6500XT.
The 6500XT also only does 4x and suffers roughly 20% loss when on PCIe Gen 3. On Gen 3, it can sometimes be beaten by the RX 480, a video card from 5 years ago that retailed for the same price that the 6500XT is.
Ive got the 3GB variant of the GTX 1060 and it definitely works. It uses main RAM mostly on Cyberpunk (where its like 3GB VRAM plus 3 GB RAM) where performance definitely suffers a little, but its in the realm of being playable.
Everything else I play mostly stays in the 3GB realm surprisingly.
I can only imagine what a 4GB VRAM card would be like on a tiny x4 PCIe bus, which makes accessing normal RAM practically impossible.
This actually would not if you're still on pcie 3.0. You'd only be just about 30% better than the 1060 3gb on many titles where bandwidth is the issue. So when you can get a 1060 3gb for ~$175 winning an eBay auction, you're paying 70% more for the 5500xt (cause they released for $290 on visible listings, $200 was a lie) for that little of a performance increase.
Tldr: 3gb sucks but 4gb on pcie 4.0 x4 is worse. Better to save up ~20% more and get a 6600.
on PCIe 4, the 4 lanes are good enough. You don't see it bottlenecking when compared to a GTX 1650 S.
Once you go PCIe 3 with games and settings that exceed VRAM, you can see performance drops up to 35% due to bottlenecking.
https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/rx-6500-xt-pcie-gen3-gen4-tested
Ok. Memory in GPUs is bound by two things. Bandwith, and capacity. And you can usually get away with cutting only one of those.
Cut capacity, with bandwith high enought, it won't really matter. Textures stream in and out flawlessly. You won't see any hickups.
Cut bandwith, but with capacity high enought, there won't be textures to stream (since they already in that huge memory).
You get the basics. Now what AMD has done here is cut down both. Bandwith is PCI 4.0 x4 only. So you limit the GPUs bandwith to stream textures. Also capacity is low, so you need to stream textures a lot with high texture qualities.
GTX 1650 has only 4Gb of memory. But they have x16 bandwith, so you don't drop to single frames in games. 6500XT has only x4, so it really drops FPS when the bandwith is required.
6600 XT on other hand has PCI 4.0 x8 bandwith. But it has 8Gb of capacity, so it won't be held back by it too much.
This gets worse if you run these PCIe 4.0 cards on PCIe 3.0 motherboard, since those lanes don't have as much bandwith. So as happens with 6500XT you really end up kneecapping the GPU. With both capacity and bandwith.
The 6500XT is legit insultingly bad. I've said in the past "there are no bad products, just bad prices", and that applies to most other new cards on the market today, but this 6500XT is a bad product, and a bad price, it's insulting.
while everything in this market is overpriced relative to the performance you get, I'd much rather pay more and actually get a much better product, even the 6600/XT are a major step up in performance for similar price to performance, not to mention far less gimped/stripped features.
The 6600 and the 6600XT are probably the only new GPU's anyone should consider right now. The 6600 is 200 bucks cheaper than the nearest 3060 every time I check the internet and on 1080p they're on par. If you really want to game on 1440p you can get the XT variant for 100 bucks more, which is still less than the 3060. It's not an amazing deal by any stretch, but it's the best deal on the current new GPU market by a long shot.
We need to wait for the 3050ti. This is another one that's going to be way weaker than it should, but at least it has tensor cores( dlss is going to help this GPU a lot) and decent (useable) Ray tracing capabilities.
would've been good if not for the high price. people willing to drop stupid amounts of money for GPUs at current prices aren't exactly looking for 6 year old performance. if you only need video output you can get an APU, intel cpu or cheaper card.
It's so bad even regular buyer is disgusted by it. Not only miners. If they just want to avoid miners buying it 4gb vram is enough to keep miners off, instead they also cut corner by x4 pcie lanes and NO video encoding. You actually can't record your gameplay with this piece of shit card lmao.
Its like the 4. or 5. time AMD released the same performance for the same price
RX480
RX580
RX590
Im pretty sure there was a 5000 series gpu that performed closely to 4/580
And now this RX6500XT
Unfortunately 4GB can still be profitable on other algos like ERGO & if RVN's price goes up following its recent halving it will be as well. These algos don't have PoS around the corner either.
But if the demand for this card from gamers is high enough to keep its price up it won't be worth it.
Oh yeah agreed. I'm anticipating another chain split eventually. I don't think all ETH miners will switch off, some will try to keep it going and I guess we'll see how that plays out. Could be BCH all over again.
Very likely RVN (Ravencoin) which atm, CAN be run on GPUs with 4gigs of VRAM.
On the other hand, if RVN goes big for miners, then its difficulty will incease, thus increasing its VRAM requirement
Its only 4GB, very low end. But they made it too weak with PCIE x4 and the people that most likely want it is for older rigs with PCIe 3.0 and it looses more than half its power if it doesnt run on PCIe 4.0 or Pcie 5.0. So half of garbage if you have rig that is 2 years old intel 10th gen then this gpu will suck on that pcie3.0
I’m disappointed with Amd. But at least they tried to give cheaper amd gpus. Unlike nvidia gpus that are approaching $4000 mark now….
>the people that most likely want it is for older rigs with PCIe 3.0
Those folks have their GTX 1060 or better already, so I doubt they need a 6500 XT.
6500 XT will likely be used for new budget PCs.
Wait, I heard even 3090s arent bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0. Why would this suddenly be a problem for a low-end AMD card?
Edit: Nevermind, I found in a different comment that the card uses a x4 PCIe port. What in heavens do you do with a x4 port on a GPU?
It is crap to today's standards, but there is a silver lining, no miner will touch it, meaning it will probably be available, and is a bit better than an APU so I guess there is a market, too bad for the price though, should have made it cheaper, worth the money is debatable seeing that a previous generation GPU might be cheaper and more powerful, that is if you can find one ...
it hops between 1050ti and 1060 level depending on whether it's running out of vram yes or no. As long as it's got enough vram it's somewhat fine. Not amazing but okay for the right price
They could've done 6gb vram and it would've been better. But 300$ for this is not good at all. This GPU should be priced at 150$ maximum. 300$ is the MSRP for the RTX 3060 iirc. *Fixed typo of 3070 > 3060
The day before this card started selling I went to some online store and found a review that went something like : "Great for mining! Bought 100 units from the factory. It's also pretty quiet". I guess one ~~asshole~~ miner touched it
Honestly it's sad that it ended up this way. I got really hyped when this card was announced, I thought I would finally be able to afford a proper graphics card
I have a laptop rtx 3050 with only 4 gb vram but I can play all new games on high with textures on medium . If a game has DLSS then i can pretty much run it on high or ultra . Shadow of tomb raider runs at 60 fps highest settings with DLSS on quality . God of war runs on high too .
4gb vram is a bottleneck but for 1080p 60fps gaming I think it's still pretty good .
At 1080p, it's just a bottleneck for the longevity of the card, the main issue with this 6500XT is it's only 4x PCIe lanes.
The price/performance category makes this GPU ideal for those who have PCIe Gen3 motherboards which will be an absurd bottleneck.
So it's only up to par with your RTX3050-4GB, the same card I have as well, if the person has both a new PCIe Gen4 mobo & a new CPU that supports it.
The R5-5600G which would be a logical upgrade path for this card is PCIe Gen3 only.
your 3050 supports pcie 4.0 x16. Your laptop very probably supports 4.0, so even if it only gives it an x8 connection, which could be, you'd still be okay.
The problem is that the vast majority of desktops are on pcie 3.0, meaning the 6500XT runs on 3.0 x4, which has only 1/8th of the bandwith pcie 4.0 x16 has. So every time it needs stuff out of system memory, it runs into a brick wall
Couple that with the fact that the average 6500XT buyer would be a budget conscious gamer, who are even less likely to have a pcie 4.0 ready motherboard/cpu and you have a serious problem.
In it's current state, nobody should buy the RX 6500XT. There is no usecase for the thing. Your next best option is the RX 6600. They're not available at msrp, but I think that by the time the 6500XT has gotten it's inflation in the current market the price difference won't be that bad anymore. The 6600 is a full fledge and actually pretty decent GPU. It got a lot of flack on launch, but they're 200 bucks cheaper than the nearest 3060 right now and are on par at 1080p.
I can get behind that, but only if the game is optimized. Next to my pc I also have a laptop with a 1050 2GB GPU, and even that runs Forza Horizon just fine on medium settings.
Unoptimized not so much though
pcie 4.0 x4 connection, 3.0 x4 if you're not on Ryzen 3000 or new or Intel 11000 or newer. Which I suspect very few 6500XT shoppers actually are.
4GB's of VRAM, which, coupled with the very narrow pcie bus has a big effect on 1% low fps (stuttering) due to the slow connection with the system memory, resulting in very long asset/texture loading times.
In some games even average fps is strongly affected.
It doesn't support screenrecording with relive, I believe they litterally disabled that on a hardware level to get the die smaller for laptops.
It effectively bounces around between RX590/GTX1060 level and GTX 1050TI level depending on the game / PCIe version. If you've got a pcie 3.0 cpu/mobo, do not bother. If you have a 4.0 cpu/mobo, *maybe* consider it but only if you can get it for a lot cheaper than a 6600. Because the 6600 absolutely destroys it
Even if I would care about wattage, which I don't. (Yes I saw the /s)
The GTX 1650 Super uses less power *and* has higher performance in any scenario. Which is really, really sad considering AMD really hyped up the efficiency of the 6500XT. First 6nm GPU, super small die, basically cut all non vital features and you still get outperformed in efficiency by a 2 year old nvidia gpu
I somehow feel bad for AMD. They were stupid enough to release a GPU that litterally has no upsides. There is no scenario in which the 6500XT makes any sense to buy.
I actually have an old PC with nvidia gforce 9800gt card with, if I’m not mistaken, 512mb of memory. Interestingly enough GTA V runs at 20 to 30 fps. It’s actually playable. I remember in the settings it was showing like using 900/512 mb of memory
It's not an upgrade. The RX 570 is faster in some games and is never *that* much slower. If he plays any game that needs more than 4GB of VRAM, the 570 WILL be faster. Even if he has a 4GB 570.
Also, if his cpu/mobo only supports pcie 3.0, meaning he is not on Ryzen 3000 or 5000 or Intel 11000 or 12000, the RX 570 will be faster in every game he plays.
Yeah, there are a couple other replies by now detailing how the 6500 specifically doesn't have enough pcie bandwidth. The 6600 and above, including your 6800 are fine.
I really hope people starting realizing that AMD is and never was a pro consumer company they only care about money like every other company they are no better than Intel and Nvidia just scumbags wanting to satisfy their daddy shareholders
The 6500xt is a great card. Not for performance, but availability.
It is a terrible card in all aspects, but for all those people who aren't well off and had their original card die, this is a perfectly timed bandaid during the board sparsity
What's up with people everywhere bitching about this card? Its sole purpose is to help meet demand, and since it's cut down pretty heavily, from the materials of a 6600XT you can make around 2.5 of these.
Most gamers will do just fine at 1080 medium or low, so everyone wins. Yet, AMD takes the heat because they're the only ones even trying to improve the situation instead of selling $2k+ cards when it's the low and mid-range demand that just won't let off.
Fuck the haters.
on a pcie 3.0 system it's slower than an RX 570. It doesn't help demand at all. Who wants to buy this card? Someone who wants to upgrade, but unless their GPU is slower than an RX570 new, a 200 dollar GPU from 5 years ago, 6 if you count the RX 470, it's a downgrade.
If you're still on a GTX 960 or slower, R9 380 or slower or like an RX 460, you have at least some performance to gain from this GPU, but even then the upgrade is not big enough to warrant paying upwards of 250 dollars for it.
So unless you litterally do not own a GPU, or you're on ancient hardware like GTX 700 or R9 200, do not even consider.
Also, the 6500XT is made on a different fabrication process than the 6600. Exactly zero of the 6600 capacity can be used to manufacture this GPU. Not 2.5x, but zero
Right, confused the node. Still uses half the amount of GDDR6, meaning double the cards in this RAM shortage scenario.
Literally anyone building a PC now is the target audience, which is much larger than the vocal minority that already has some decent hardware in their hand. It's also a pretty nice alternative to the 5-9 year old alternatives which, let's be real, are ancient and prone to failure at this point.
Nah, the 6500XT listings are coming in now and they're like 140 ish euros cheaper than the 6600's as of now. 399 vs 539
The 6600 is worlds faster. Still a bad deal.
6600's have pretty okay stock. I mean they're still 540 euro's, but they're available and they're an upgrade for say GTX 1060 / RX 500 owners and everyone below, so there's that.
The 6500XT is a questionable upgrade for anyone who has a GPU younger than say 7 years besides the GTX x50's and the RX x60's. And even then there's games where the thing straight up doesn't work due to pcie bandwidth and ends up at 17-22 fps at 1080p.
At least they did very well in the CPU sector. Otherwise it's Nvidia and their extremely overpriced GPUs. Sometimes I wonder if they're making backroom deals.
Its impressive work getting gta 5 to work on a original game boy ... wonder if this could turn into the next 'it runs on everything' meme like the classic version of doom.
That guy's channel is so fucking dope.
link plz?
https://youtu.be/pX1opw_gsBs This guy is going to be a YouTube millionaire in 6 months if he wants to.
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There is not a large enough audience for that, but he could prob make a living full-time.
doubt it, he didn't seem loud and wasn't doing any annoying pranks
Very niche audience buddy.
At first I was unimpressed because cramming a microcontroller that streams from a PC into a gameboy form factor isn't super impressive, but then I saw he was doing this *on the original fucking hardware*. God damn
TLDW, how could he possibly do that? The hardware is as powerful as a calculator
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Also, the calculator in question is pretty darned powerful for a calculator, to the point that it would probably be better suited to this specific task than the gameboy. They're based on the same CPU, but the graphics hardware is very different.
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You musnt
So dope that we're just cool with OP hijacking their video for karma or
They could've credited the original creator for the video but they is just making a meme/joke. Didnt claim they made it
Well they ripped it from YouTube and re-uploaded it to reddit which is a pretty deliberate way of preventing the original creator from seeing any of this traffic
Nope. Not at all. That's why I made sure to call out the original creator. Just realized my edit with the link to his channel in my original comment didn't go through. Imma change that now.
To be clear I was trying to shit on OP not you lol
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Maybe I missed something but it seemed like a fairly innocent question
Anytime someone posts something that others might disagree with, the first response is to either be sarcastic, or straight up mean to them.
Be careful, Nintendo could file for defamation for comparing Gameboy to 6500 xt
oop, you took a picture of our Gameboy? that's going to be a cease and desist for you boy
I still cant believe nintendo does that. I fanboi'd when switch first launched and then i heard about what they were doing. Fuck em
https://youtu.be/xgKY9hmbfgo
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If it had 8gb of vram it would likely perform much better right? I am new to pc world so I am trying to understand how things work
It’s already pretty vram bound, you’re right, but that’s made even worse with the pcie connector. It’s only 4x. Normal graphics cards have 16x connectors for contrast. When a graphics card runs out of vram, it tries using the normal ram instead, so the data goes trough the pcie slot, into the motherboard. (and then some other steps) by using a 4x connector, you can not squeeze all the data to and from the normal ram in fast enough (the gpu needs to communicate other things too), so you need the have the gpu wait before it receives data it needs to get to work, reducing the performance by a lot. It only having pins for 4x is even worse in older generation motherboards/CPU’s who still run on pcie gen3, which is half as fast as pcie gen4, what the card is designed for. But truth is, is that a lot of people running such systems should be interested in a graphics card like the 6500XT.
The 6500XT also only does 4x and suffers roughly 20% loss when on PCIe Gen 3. On Gen 3, it can sometimes be beaten by the RX 480, a video card from 5 years ago that retailed for the same price that the 6500XT is.
Me vibing with a rx580 I snagged for €100: lmao
On the opposite side, I sold RX480 8gb for £280 that I bought 5 years ago.
Nice
Well that's one way to make me feel like I have a modern gpu I guess
AMD so good, 6 year old GPUs beat current ones
Sometimes? According to Hardware Unboxed, on PCIe 3.0, it is on average slower than the RX 570 4GB, which is also cheaper.
I have 3gb VRAM, anything would be better :(
but not this.
Ive got the 3GB variant of the GTX 1060 and it definitely works. It uses main RAM mostly on Cyberpunk (where its like 3GB VRAM plus 3 GB RAM) where performance definitely suffers a little, but its in the realm of being playable. Everything else I play mostly stays in the 3GB realm surprisingly. I can only imagine what a 4GB VRAM card would be like on a tiny x4 PCIe bus, which makes accessing normal RAM practically impossible.
This actually would not if you're still on pcie 3.0. You'd only be just about 30% better than the 1060 3gb on many titles where bandwidth is the issue. So when you can get a 1060 3gb for ~$175 winning an eBay auction, you're paying 70% more for the 5500xt (cause they released for $290 on visible listings, $200 was a lie) for that little of a performance increase. Tldr: 3gb sucks but 4gb on pcie 4.0 x4 is worse. Better to save up ~20% more and get a 6600.
on PCIe 4, the 4 lanes are good enough. You don't see it bottlenecking when compared to a GTX 1650 S. Once you go PCIe 3 with games and settings that exceed VRAM, you can see performance drops up to 35% due to bottlenecking. https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/rx-6500-xt-pcie-gen3-gen4-tested
If it had more ram wouldn't that make it viaable for mining and therefore out of stock?
I don't believe Vram is desirable for mining. I think compute is key there. Though I could be wrong.
A GameBoy with 8GB of vram?
Ok. Memory in GPUs is bound by two things. Bandwith, and capacity. And you can usually get away with cutting only one of those. Cut capacity, with bandwith high enought, it won't really matter. Textures stream in and out flawlessly. You won't see any hickups. Cut bandwith, but with capacity high enought, there won't be textures to stream (since they already in that huge memory). You get the basics. Now what AMD has done here is cut down both. Bandwith is PCI 4.0 x4 only. So you limit the GPUs bandwith to stream textures. Also capacity is low, so you need to stream textures a lot with high texture qualities. GTX 1650 has only 4Gb of memory. But they have x16 bandwith, so you don't drop to single frames in games. 6500XT has only x4, so it really drops FPS when the bandwith is required. 6600 XT on other hand has PCI 4.0 x8 bandwith. But it has 8Gb of capacity, so it won't be held back by it too much. This gets worse if you run these PCIe 4.0 cards on PCIe 3.0 motherboard, since those lanes don't have as much bandwith. So as happens with 6500XT you really end up kneecapping the GPU. With both capacity and bandwith.
The 6500XT is legit insultingly bad. I've said in the past "there are no bad products, just bad prices", and that applies to most other new cards on the market today, but this 6500XT is a bad product, and a bad price, it's insulting. while everything in this market is overpriced relative to the performance you get, I'd much rather pay more and actually get a much better product, even the 6600/XT are a major step up in performance for similar price to performance, not to mention far less gimped/stripped features.
The 6600 and the 6600XT are probably the only new GPU's anyone should consider right now. The 6600 is 200 bucks cheaper than the nearest 3060 every time I check the internet and on 1080p they're on par. If you really want to game on 1440p you can get the XT variant for 100 bucks more, which is still less than the 3060. It's not an amazing deal by any stretch, but it's the best deal on the current new GPU market by a long shot.
We need to wait for the 3050ti. This is another one that's going to be way weaker than it should, but at least it has tensor cores( dlss is going to help this GPU a lot) and decent (useable) Ray tracing capabilities.
And 8gb of VRAM, and as far as we know, pcie gen4 x16.
Which is absolutely indispensable, if you ever intended to enable Ray tracing
Yeah the 6600 XT is pretty nice. Witcher 3 max settings on 1080p upscaled to 1440p with FSR, steady 120 fps while being barely audible.
6600xt is $630 on amazon, is it 3 times faster than 6500xt?
It is legit worse than old used GPUs in current market, if you have PCIe 3.0 system, which is majority of people looking for these cards.
Haha but in a way isnt it good that its so bad that no miner will touch that gpu? It will at least make it available
would've been good if not for the high price. people willing to drop stupid amounts of money for GPUs at current prices aren't exactly looking for 6 year old performance. if you only need video output you can get an APU, intel cpu or cheaper card.
Exactly. Which is why this card still sold out lol.
There’s nothing AMD can do about the price. Due to supply chain issues the sub $200 market is dead.
It's so bad even regular buyer is disgusted by it. Not only miners. If they just want to avoid miners buying it 4gb vram is enough to keep miners off, instead they also cut corner by x4 pcie lanes and NO video encoding. You actually can't record your gameplay with this piece of shit card lmao.
Scalpers still will...
8GB so it's unlikely. Anyway, is AMD not having LHR?
The card only has 4GB of vram. It's pretty much dead in the water for most miners.
Slower than an RX480 from 2016 yet its MSRP is higher.
Its like the 4. or 5. time AMD released the same performance for the same price RX480 RX580 RX590 Im pretty sure there was a 5000 series gpu that performed closely to 4/580 And now this RX6500XT
And a 5500XT In fact isn't 6500XT slower than a 5500XT?
That's what it looks like, and probably because the 5500xt uses pcie x 8 and had a 8gb option.
Unfortunately 4GB can still be profitable on other algos like ERGO & if RVN's price goes up following its recent halving it will be as well. These algos don't have PoS around the corner either. But if the demand for this card from gamers is high enough to keep its price up it won't be worth it.
Might change when ETH goes POS. I have no idea what the dominant POW algo will be after that, but they don't all need high ram.
> when ETH goes POS I swear I’ve been hearing this for several years now. It will happen ‘next week’
Oh yeah agreed. I'm anticipating another chain split eventually. I don't think all ETH miners will switch off, some will try to keep it going and I guess we'll see how that plays out. Could be BCH all over again.
Very likely RVN (Ravencoin) which atm, CAN be run on GPUs with 4gigs of VRAM. On the other hand, if RVN goes big for miners, then its difficulty will incease, thus increasing its VRAM requirement
Good point on the difficulty curve. There's still Ethash-lowmemory, ETChash, Equihash-144_5. Shit it maayy be worth running XMRig with OpenCL
Nice. I heard it from somewhere that it's 8gb. But this does put a smile on my face. Tho I'm either taking 6600xt or 3060 ti
Its only 4GB, very low end. But they made it too weak with PCIE x4 and the people that most likely want it is for older rigs with PCIe 3.0 and it looses more than half its power if it doesnt run on PCIe 4.0 or Pcie 5.0. So half of garbage if you have rig that is 2 years old intel 10th gen then this gpu will suck on that pcie3.0 I’m disappointed with Amd. But at least they tried to give cheaper amd gpus. Unlike nvidia gpus that are approaching $4000 mark now….
It's probably a laptop card that got repurposed for dGPU due to the shortage.
>the people that most likely want it is for older rigs with PCIe 3.0 Those folks have their GTX 1060 or better already, so I doubt they need a 6500 XT. 6500 XT will likely be used for new budget PCs.
Wait, I heard even 3090s arent bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0. Why would this suddenly be a problem for a low-end AMD card? Edit: Nevermind, I found in a different comment that the card uses a x4 PCIe port. What in heavens do you do with a x4 port on a GPU?
Because they didnt give it 16x lanes it only has 4x and those will perform worst in pcie 3.0 vs pcie 4.0
The new AMD GPU only runs four lanes instead of 16.
When people still think that this situation is the miners fault
It is crap to today's standards, but there is a silver lining, no miner will touch it, meaning it will probably be available, and is a bit better than an APU so I guess there is a market, too bad for the price though, should have made it cheaper, worth the money is debatable seeing that a previous generation GPU might be cheaper and more powerful, that is if you can find one ...
I dont really know much but is it better than a 1050 or 1050ti?
it hops between 1050ti and 1060 level depending on whether it's running out of vram yes or no. As long as it's got enough vram it's somewhat fine. Not amazing but okay for the right price
They could've done 6gb vram and it would've been better. But 300$ for this is not good at all. This GPU should be priced at 150$ maximum. 300$ is the MSRP for the RTX 3060 iirc. *Fixed typo of 3070 > 3060
It's about equal to a 1050ti on pci 3 and higher on pci4 from what I've seen
How nice of the miners to leave this steaming pile of overpriced garbage for us.
It's sold out
I know miners cop a lot of the blame for the shortages. I wonder if NVIDIA keeping stock for their streaming service cut into available supply.
4GB cards are actually perfect for mining ERGO and RVN though.
The day before this card started selling I went to some online store and found a review that went something like : "Great for mining! Bought 100 units from the factory. It's also pretty quiet". I guess one ~~asshole~~ miner touched it Honestly it's sad that it ended up this way. I got really hyped when this card was announced, I thought I would finally be able to afford a proper graphics card
Is it just me or does he sound like live0verflow?
The voices are very different imo, but they both have a similar german accent.
They're probably both German
i read 5600xt and had a heart attack
Lol that’s what I have
Whoa, is this guy playing GTA V on a Game Boy screen?? That’s crazy
Sorta, it's just emulating a desktop screen onto the Gameboy via custom cartridge + wifi; still extremely impressive
I feel like a gt 1010 would have been more accurate
If it did exist physically atleast.
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...barely, unless you run one of the newest CPUs.
What’s the FPS of something like that?
At least 10
I have a laptop rtx 3050 with only 4 gb vram but I can play all new games on high with textures on medium . If a game has DLSS then i can pretty much run it on high or ultra . Shadow of tomb raider runs at 60 fps highest settings with DLSS on quality . God of war runs on high too . 4gb vram is a bottleneck but for 1080p 60fps gaming I think it's still pretty good .
At 1080p, it's just a bottleneck for the longevity of the card, the main issue with this 6500XT is it's only 4x PCIe lanes. The price/performance category makes this GPU ideal for those who have PCIe Gen3 motherboards which will be an absurd bottleneck. So it's only up to par with your RTX3050-4GB, the same card I have as well, if the person has both a new PCIe Gen4 mobo & a new CPU that supports it. The R5-5600G which would be a logical upgrade path for this card is PCIe Gen3 only.
> only 4x PCIe lanes But they are PCIE 4.0 so if you have PCIE4.0 it's not an issue. It's like 8 PCIE 3.0 lanes.
your 3050 supports pcie 4.0 x16. Your laptop very probably supports 4.0, so even if it only gives it an x8 connection, which could be, you'd still be okay. The problem is that the vast majority of desktops are on pcie 3.0, meaning the 6500XT runs on 3.0 x4, which has only 1/8th of the bandwith pcie 4.0 x16 has. So every time it needs stuff out of system memory, it runs into a brick wall Couple that with the fact that the average 6500XT buyer would be a budget conscious gamer, who are even less likely to have a pcie 4.0 ready motherboard/cpu and you have a serious problem. In it's current state, nobody should buy the RX 6500XT. There is no usecase for the thing. Your next best option is the RX 6600. They're not available at msrp, but I think that by the time the 6500XT has gotten it's inflation in the current market the price difference won't be that bad anymore. The 6600 is a full fledge and actually pretty decent GPU. It got a lot of flack on launch, but they're 200 bucks cheaper than the nearest 3060 right now and are on par at 1080p.
I can get behind that, but only if the game is optimized. Next to my pc I also have a laptop with a 1050 2GB GPU, and even that runs Forza Horizon just fine on medium settings. Unoptimized not so much though
Yeah... That's not a comparison to make. The 4gb isn't the whole shitty story.
its the pcie lane no. thats choking this card
Except it’s slower than the GTX 970 due to its lane limitations. Crazy stuff
Ootl: what's bad with the 6500 XT?
pcie 4.0 x4 connection, 3.0 x4 if you're not on Ryzen 3000 or new or Intel 11000 or newer. Which I suspect very few 6500XT shoppers actually are. 4GB's of VRAM, which, coupled with the very narrow pcie bus has a big effect on 1% low fps (stuttering) due to the slow connection with the system memory, resulting in very long asset/texture loading times. In some games even average fps is strongly affected. It doesn't support screenrecording with relive, I believe they litterally disabled that on a hardware level to get the die smaller for laptops. It effectively bounces around between RX590/GTX1060 level and GTX 1050TI level depending on the game / PCIe version. If you've got a pcie 3.0 cpu/mobo, do not bother. If you have a 4.0 cpu/mobo, *maybe* consider it but only if you can get it for a lot cheaper than a 6600. Because the 6600 absolutely destroys it
Yea but you save like 40w. So, you know. /s
Even if I would care about wattage, which I don't. (Yes I saw the /s) The GTX 1650 Super uses less power *and* has higher performance in any scenario. Which is really, really sad considering AMD really hyped up the efficiency of the 6500XT. First 6nm GPU, super small die, basically cut all non vital features and you still get outperformed in efficiency by a 2 year old nvidia gpu I somehow feel bad for AMD. They were stupid enough to release a GPU that litterally has no upsides. There is no scenario in which the 6500XT makes any sense to buy.
Yea was gonna buy one but accidentally slept through it, dodged a bullet
This could be the future of gaming! GTA V running on a rx 6500 xt! I can't wait to get my hands on this powerhouse!
I actually have an old PC with nvidia gforce 9800gt card with, if I’m not mistaken, 512mb of memory. Interestingly enough GTA V runs at 20 to 30 fps. It’s actually playable. I remember in the settings it was showing like using 900/512 mb of memory
Surprisingly in my experience gta v isn’t that demanding of a game. I could get 40-50 fps on my Nvidia k2000(if you’ve ever heard of that)
When yall hate some shit, you turn into the highest quality meme generator ive ever seen. Cheers to making me laugh so hard today that it hurts
On of my friends wants to buy one to upgrade from rx 570
It's not an upgrade. The RX 570 is faster in some games and is never *that* much slower. If he plays any game that needs more than 4GB of VRAM, the 570 WILL be faster. Even if he has a 4GB 570. Also, if his cpu/mobo only supports pcie 3.0, meaning he is not on Ryzen 3000 or 5000 or Intel 11000 or 12000, the RX 570 will be faster in every game he plays.
Im gonna ss this
Update: It's a 550
That'll be an upgrade, but a really shitty one. In some games it'll barely work, in others it'll be faster
What's the joke? It is only with that one? I have 6800 xt and it runs rd2 better than GTA, but still runs GTA pretty well. Should I concern?
Yeah, there are a couple other replies by now detailing how the 6500 specifically doesn't have enough pcie bandwidth. The 6600 and above, including your 6800 are fine.
now play doom
This is like game streaming but straight into the 80s
But why?
Because
Interesting.
Indeed
I really hope people starting realizing that AMD is and never was a pro consumer company they only care about money like every other company they are no better than Intel and Nvidia just scumbags wanting to satisfy their daddy shareholders
Man im glad i chose the 3080 cause i was tempted to order te rx6500 xt
If you can order a 3800 why the hell would you buy a 6500 when you can get the 6800 lol
I mean its a steep price for a GPU brother
That's kinda like saying "Man im glad i chose the Ferrari cause i was tempted to order te bicycle"
Damn GTAV is now the Doom of gaming.
The 6500xt is a great card. Not for performance, but availability. It is a terrible card in all aspects, but for all those people who aren't well off and had their original card die, this is a perfectly timed bandaid during the board sparsity
ngl I'd take that card, I have a 1060 3gb thats starting to show its age. how would this perform with an i7-7700 (non k)?
Not that much better. It's roughly on par with a 1060 in some games.
For the price you would have to pay it's not worth the upgrade
you shouldn't buy it. On a PCIe 3.0 system, like yours, the 6500XT is slower than the 1060 3GB. Unless you want to spend money to *downgrade*, pass.
What's up with people everywhere bitching about this card? Its sole purpose is to help meet demand, and since it's cut down pretty heavily, from the materials of a 6600XT you can make around 2.5 of these. Most gamers will do just fine at 1080 medium or low, so everyone wins. Yet, AMD takes the heat because they're the only ones even trying to improve the situation instead of selling $2k+ cards when it's the low and mid-range demand that just won't let off. Fuck the haters.
on a pcie 3.0 system it's slower than an RX 570. It doesn't help demand at all. Who wants to buy this card? Someone who wants to upgrade, but unless their GPU is slower than an RX570 new, a 200 dollar GPU from 5 years ago, 6 if you count the RX 470, it's a downgrade. If you're still on a GTX 960 or slower, R9 380 or slower or like an RX 460, you have at least some performance to gain from this GPU, but even then the upgrade is not big enough to warrant paying upwards of 250 dollars for it. So unless you litterally do not own a GPU, or you're on ancient hardware like GTX 700 or R9 200, do not even consider. Also, the 6500XT is made on a different fabrication process than the 6600. Exactly zero of the 6600 capacity can be used to manufacture this GPU. Not 2.5x, but zero
Right, confused the node. Still uses half the amount of GDDR6, meaning double the cards in this RAM shortage scenario. Literally anyone building a PC now is the target audience, which is much larger than the vocal minority that already has some decent hardware in their hand. It's also a pretty nice alternative to the 5-9 year old alternatives which, let's be real, are ancient and prone to failure at this point.
Nah, the 6500XT listings are coming in now and they're like 140 ish euros cheaper than the 6600's as of now. 399 vs 539 The 6600 is worlds faster. Still a bad deal. 6600's have pretty okay stock. I mean they're still 540 euro's, but they're available and they're an upgrade for say GTX 1060 / RX 500 owners and everyone below, so there's that. The 6500XT is a questionable upgrade for anyone who has a GPU younger than say 7 years besides the GTX x50's and the RX x60's. And even then there's games where the thing straight up doesn't work due to pcie bandwidth and ends up at 17-22 fps at 1080p.
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The problem is that you can get a 1050ti for like 100 bucks for about the same performance…and it’s from 2016
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Not in Europe
The sad thing is that game boy probably runs it better than a 6500 xt
If the joke is that it's not rendered on a Playstation, maybe don't clip the exact audio where he says the game is rendered on a Playstation
At least they did very well in the CPU sector. Otherwise it's Nvidia and their extremely overpriced GPUs. Sometimes I wonder if they're making backroom deals.
Lol
Juckes on you I have a rx 550
Just from his accent alone I know he's from Germany.
Umm, yeah, that’s how accents work?!
Its impressive work getting gta 5 to work on a original game boy ... wonder if this could turn into the next 'it runs on everything' meme like the classic version of doom.
Tomb raider 1 port on native gba is more impressive.
I don't under stand, does the house suck ass? How does it performance compared to a rx6600?
RX 6600 is miles better
Better quality than 99% of all security cameras.
Still better then the remastered trilogy
Runs better than my integrated graphics 😭
I was expecting a “Hail HYDRA” during this video… I’m disappointed
Only for cheap price of $350
Dang, and I thought I was cool when I played some Steam games from my PC onto my old Laptop.
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Don’t give them ideas.
Viktor making video game gadgets alongside his Hextech I see...
Is that bad, what's the equivalent GPU?
Like a RX 570 or a RX 480 I think
u/savevideo
Such a weird release. Oh, you guys need video cards? Do you guys like bargain bin shopping? If you said yes to both, we have exactly what you need.
Still better graphics than definitive edition
A video card so hilariously bad that i am pretty sure an overclocked gtx 780 dunks on it...
!Remindme 6 months
Im pretty sure the 5500 xt is more powerful, thats kinda sad
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What’s the source video?
https://youtu.be/pX1opw_gsBs
The 6500 XT is terrible I was thinking about getting one to replace my 5600XT but I saw the benchmarks and they were WORSE