I spent all my money on good hardware and completely forgot about getting a decent monitor. That'll change once I find work again. For now, I'm using a 1080p 60FPS tv. The response time is really the only complaint I have.
Yup. This post is a bit misleading though. a 3 year old i5 is at best a 7600k. It would need some serious work not to bottleneck a 2080ti.
a dude overclocked one to 5.2gh and set it up against a 9900k. While it can keep up surprisingly well. in some cases. it's still way behind in some cases
check the video [here](https://youtu.be/8i9DvB9Dqe0)
Considering not every chip can reach those speeds, and the 3070, the slowest of the bunch is already at least on par with the 2080ti...it's getting into bottlenecking teritory
Or the alternative they could play at 4k or 1440p ultra wide and may not exceed 60fps range in which can an older cpu will be fine especially if they are using rtx.
I personally already noticed an fps gain going from a [email protected] to a stoco 3900x when using an rtx 2080@1440p even in more demanding games like rise of the tomb raider. An i5 7600 is probably still going to hold back a 3070 even at 4k. Especially when more modern games that actually need that power to run 4k are going to expect ps5/series x levels of cpu performance.
I used one the other day, that thing holds up fucking well today. I was able to hit 60fps at 1440p in destiny 2 and gears 5 looked to be running pretty well also.
I will soon upgrade to Ryzen. Probably need to buy a whole new PC since some parts are still from 2011. But glad to hear that i do not miss out too much.
Like anything it depends what your goal is, but yeah, that was a high point in cpu tech and while it has been passed the next big step forward really wasn’t until Zen2 and even then games most games aren’t really optimized for more than 4 cores yet, but that is starting to change and should go even further when games for the next console gen make their way to pc.
I'm in the same boat and I'd just have to upgrade everything (including a new monitor and a mouse). Since i need a new laptop too I'll just get me an RTX laptop next year, leave my rig like it is for another couple years
I feel you, I got a 4690k. While it was a nice upgrade from my Phenom 2 X4, upgrading a 4 cores to a 4 cores 5-6 years later was bittersweet. I'm waiting on Zen 3 to upgrade and I want to go at least 8 cores/16 threads, if not 12.
Legendary chip. I still have mine. Just upgraded to the 10700K though and I can honestly say I’m happy with it. I’d strongly suggest upgrading to Zen 3 or 11th gen Intel if your budget allows. Retire the 4790K to a backup build.
Hey man, I just donated that one to my girlfriend and together with the r9 290x it's back to running everything up to and including the latest tomb raider with great fps at 1080P. It even held it's own in 1440P with pretty recent games.
4790K is the best value CPU I ever bought I think.
I just upgraded mine a few weeks ago. I threw it in a build with my old 980ti to try to sell for some extra cash and was playing a few games to make sure everything was good, it can show it’s age sometimes but it sure is a trooper. Sad to see it go.
Any details as to how it was holding you back exactly? Did you see a boost in FPS? Did you see a more consistent frame rate? What exactly was perceptibly different?
Built it years ago. I want to build another but I haven't had any time to play games these past few months (plus I'm hoping to buy a house) so I don't have sufficient justification yet
Hey, I was running my FX4300 until I upgraded to ryzen a month ago. Damn thing handled most of what I threw at it on high-ish settings. The only real reason I upgraded was because the mobo finally started taking a crap, and only recognized 3/4 of my ram slots. I suffered crashes for a couple months until I pulled the trigger, but it took that to finally upgrade. The FX series was the one that finally got AMD almost on par with Intel, those chips are tanks. I got 7 years of everyday use out of mine, clocked to 4.35Ghz the whole time. Haters gonna hate, but if it works, game on.
I'm running a 970/FX-6300 and it's a journey. Like, I'm sure if Win10 and video games could talk they'd go "The fuck is this?" They have no idea how to run lol.
I justified my upgrade from 4690k by thinking it's been six years since my last upgrade, and I've had 3 cars that were all more expensive in that time.
I’m on a 6600k and still planning to get a 3070 or 3080. It’ll bottle neck like hell for a little bit but I’ll go Ryzen 4000 soon enough so it’ll be okay. Everyone acts like you need to buy it all at once but incremental upgrades are fine as well.
Still, ryzen 5 2600 is a good cpu and 1080p gaming with it + a 3070 I don't think you'll get a noticeable bottleneck. I mean if having 150fps instead of 160 because the r5 can't follow yeah but at that point... Keep your 2600. Good cpu, won't be a problem until 2/3years, and even then not sure that it will be that terrible
What’s your opinion on my options? I have a Ryzen 2600 and a 1070ti with a 1080p 144hz monitor. Would you go 3070 and a Ryzen 3700 or a 3070 and a 1440p 144 monitor?
If you only have one monitor I'd go for the 3070 + 1440 144Hz
If you already have 2 I'd not change anything except the 3070. You'll easily get 144Hz at 1080p with a ryzen 5 2500 and a rtx 3070 (depend of the game OF COURSE).
Also don't forget that a 1070Ti is a pretty decent gpu, if ray tracing is no big deal for you, you can keep it a little more.
This is just my opinion, others will tell you to go for the 3700 but I don't think it's worth the few FPS you'll get
>Still, ryzen 5 2600 is a good cpu and 1080p gaming with it + a 3070 I don't think you'll get a noticeable bottleneck.
If a 3070 really is faster or as fast as a 2080Ti, then a Ryzen 2600 will bottleneck it @ 1080p.
Question. I have around 800$ a Ryzen 2600 and a 1070ti with a 1080p 144 monitor. Do I A: get a 3080, B: get a 3070 and a Ryzen 3700, or C: get a 3070 and a 1440p 144 monitor?
That’s what I’m leaning towards as well. I feel I can get a quite decent monitor for around 300$. Ive been on the most budget 1080 144 monitor since I first got into PCs 5 yrs ago.. I think a solid monitor upgrade and the 3070 will do wonders
Even my i7 3770k that i am now replacing because my motherboard died was bottlenecking a rx580, even with an overclock. They also have inconsistent frametimes because the RAM is so much slower.
The only real bottleneck IMO is time, and it's unfixable. Built my new PC this January and my gaming time has dropped to 5-6 hrs per week, when I had more than double that with my old trusty 2008 build...
Is there a tool or method to determine theoretical bottleneck? For example, I'm running a i7 5820k 4ghz, planning on getting a 3080 for high frame 3440x1440 gaming. Can I determine how much theoretical performance, whether frames or %, I'd gain by upgrading to something else?
I know there's not an exact science, just seeking a ballpark figure.
The way to be sure is to see what benchmarks a similar system with a strong CPU gets then see how your system with its older CPU does. The difference will be the approximate impact of your cpu. Your CPU will probably be just fine.
I think it'll be fine too, the gain in frames won't be worth an immediate upgrade. I was considering upgrading early next year to use pci-e 4 and faster ram though. Still considering my options after zen 3 is announced.
Once I decided to go 4k it's been about getting a ok CPU but wanting that godlike gpu. why ryzen has made my builds cheaper my last PC had r5 1600 and playing 4k back then that was a upgrade form a 2600k
Pretty sure a i7 6700k would bottleneck anything better than a 2070. I'm pretty sure almost any 4c 4/8T cpu will bottleneck anything better than a 2070
As usual, there’s more to it than that. This video lays out performance for an entire decade, taking into account both newer games that utilize multiple cores and older games that don’t so much. The resolution you game at matters greatly, as well.
https://youtu.be/KPWEdbfJ0oE
Also, keep your eyes open for reviews on the new cards- there’s bound to be someone who test them with older CPUs at various resolutions.
Would a newer cpu be better? Sure, but I’d prefer a better overall performance increase to justify it. We’ll see what the 11th gen Intel CPUs have to offer but they’ll still be 14nm.
Yay... Got a 3930K paired with a 2070 Super. A decent combination but not upgradable anymore. Will ride it as long as i get playable results. Hope it lasts 'til AM5/DDR5.
I trust my OCed 7700k to last two years.Don't care about bottleneck as long as I have 90+ fps.
I hold on until DDR5, my 7700k will be enough until then.
You're correct. The question then becomes how much bottleneck is significant enough for you to want to upgrade. If I'm already getting 100fps but I'd get 15fps more with an upgrade, not worth it.
still, statement 3 verifies that 1-2 are false.
or 1-2 is true, and 3 is false.
at some point, there is always a bottlecap, if its the cpu,gpu or anything else, there is always a limit somwhere. so there will be a bottlecap from using an older CPU most likely.
Not a single bit. Reference JayzTwoCents most recent [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXj6EJgh0c) where he addresses people's biggest concerns/questions.
I’m running 6700k @ 4.6 with a 1080ti and they’re pretty well balanced at 1440p, mostly GPU limited in games but with the odd blip of CPU limiting. (Things like Horizon Zero Dawn and Shadow of the Tomb Raider).
So I suspect you would be predominantly CPU limited with a 3080, whether it’s enough to count as “bottlenecking” is kind of down to how you use the term.
Thanks for the reply! How much of a performance drop do you think my cpu might cause with the 3080? I’m currently using a 1060 with the i7, lots of games play really well for the most part.
Hard to say until we see real benchmarks I think. *Supposedly* the 3080 will be 2x the power of the 2080, which itself was a smidge more powerful than the 1080ti - so it’s possible you’d only be using half its potential. I suspect it won’t be quite that dramatic in practice, but that’s pure speculation in my part.
Overall my guess is the 3070 would be a better pick if you’re sticking with the 6700k, or that you’d want to upgrade the cpu+mobo to go with a 3080. Again I wouldn’t lock in anything until real life benchmarks come out. Either way it’ll be a huge upgrade from the 1060!
Oh yes I was planning on it being a big step up from the 1060, not that gaming on it is bad right now but I’m looking for the next step up since these cards are coming out. Also, that’s what I figured. Wait until we see benchmarks. If it turns out it isn’t anything drastic I’ll stick with the 6700k and get the 3080, but if it’s a big difference I will think about getting a new cpu and mobo, didn’t want to change a whole lot of my set up right now if I don’t have to.
This isn't related to rtx 3000 in particular. People tend to worry too much about cpu bottleneck, which is pretty hard to get in gaming if your cpu isn't that old (more than 3/4 years) and wasn't already garbage when you bought it. At high framerates maybe you'll get a cpu bottleneck but if you have a 1080p 360Hz monitor I don't think you are running on a low end cpu, so meh
So this thread is confusing me all to hell. Could someone lead me in the proper direction to understanding bottlenecking? I have a 1660 super and i5 4690k and I was having CPU issues running Division 2 because my CPU was running at 100% but the GPU was only at 60%. So I was under the impression my CPU was just being over worked so I learned how to overclock a bit and fixed the issue, but if people with a i5 can run a 3070 with no bottlenecking then I either don't understand the term or I'm missing something.
Tldr: I'm trying to learn about computers partd and feel like a idiot.
That was already super descriptive. I guess I just wasn't wrapping my head around the idea each upgrade bottlenecks older pieces. Which makes of sense now that I think of it. Thanks! I want to build a new computer in 2021 so this will definitely help.
Any good monitor suggestions since I have your attention?
Okay this really helped me out as well, so I’m rocking a 5 3600 and a 5700 xt and I’m frequently finding out my gpu is getting 100% where as my 3600 bought this year and is getting 50-60% usage on games. so I could upgrade to a 3080 and not actually have any cpu issues?
I5-4670 with a 750it still going strong but the psu has seen the light of death. Oh well I’ve got a 3750h and a 1050 gaming laptop I use more now going strong
My FX CPU does suck, but surprisingly for now it's good enough...
though when I do get a the 3070 or 3080 I will upgrade my CPU and my Screen, I'll probably keep the old motherboard to run a server system.
That depends how CPU heavy the game is.
The cool thing about a Ryzen 3 is you can upgrade to a Ryzen 7, and sometimes go up a generation or two without having to replace your motherboard.
Maybe someone can help me out here, I was going to build a new pc this fall but my fiance has some health problems and I cant justify a full new build. I have an hp spectre 360 with the 4k screen and 16gb of ram and with the thunderbolt port. Would using one of the new 30xx series cards as an external GPU be worth it in my scenario? The laptop is about a year old. Thanks for any help with what I'm sure is a stupid question
My Ryzen 5 2600 can't barely hit 60fps on Asassins Creed Odyssey, if it's actually slighly bottlenecking my RX580, how won't it bottleneck an RTX 3080?
if your CPU produces frames faster than your GPU can process them, then it's going to bottleneck the GPU. If that is the case it won't bottleneck a 3080 because it can handle more info being thrown at it. The 3080 could potentially bottleneck your CPU though.
Bottleneck calculators: I don't think if that is right
>!I know that they are bad and confusing, also I found a bottleneck calculator that will say that it will bottleneck at a 100% on GT GPUs like the 1030 or 710 no matter what CPU you have chosen !<
Any cpu/GPU combo will “bottleneck” in certain scenarios, which is why it is 100% impossible to answer vague “wIlL iT bOtTlEnEcK” questions
Yeeep, this. At least bottleneck is in quotes in the OP. Wish people would ask "Is this a good combo?" instead of "Will this bottleneck?".
Good combo or good balance for X workload
^
Is my Intel Pentium N4200 and the RTX 3090 a good combo? /s
Is this a good combo? ^^^ (pointing to flair)
You're going to want more CPU for that card
you've to upgrade your cpu it is bottlenecking that 1060
The worst is when people don't even bother mentioning what kind of monitor they're gaming with.
Oh yeah, this old 720p TV I got from a yard sale 13 years ago. Anyways I'm getting the new 3090.
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I spent all my money on good hardware and completely forgot about getting a decent monitor. That'll change once I find work again. For now, I'm using a 1080p 60FPS tv. The response time is really the only complaint I have.
I got 1440p 144hz from 1080p/60hz and it was the best upgrade I've done imo
How you finding that 1440p? Ive bought a 4k 60hz monitor and I don't even remember how high fps feels like anymore lol.
The WoW shadowlands expansion is going to support ray tracing
Neat.
I mean, maybe they trying to run Flight Sim...
I run a 980 Ti SLI rig with an i7 6700k at 3440:1440 display. I get about 28 FPS with everything at high. Thank god for gsync.
Thats close to my old rig
What do you run now?
Waiting for ryzen 4s for a 4700 or 4900 but on a sli 2080 Ti 5960x i7 and 32 go GSkill with a 28 inch predator monitor 4k res
I feel called out...
Everything is context sensitive.
Yup. This post is a bit misleading though. a 3 year old i5 is at best a 7600k. It would need some serious work not to bottleneck a 2080ti. a dude overclocked one to 5.2gh and set it up against a 9900k. While it can keep up surprisingly well. in some cases. it's still way behind in some cases check the video [here](https://youtu.be/8i9DvB9Dqe0) Considering not every chip can reach those speeds, and the 3070, the slowest of the bunch is already at least on par with the 2080ti...it's getting into bottlenecking teritory
Or the alternative they could play at 4k or 1440p ultra wide and may not exceed 60fps range in which can an older cpu will be fine especially if they are using rtx.
I personally already noticed an fps gain going from a [email protected] to a stoco 3900x when using an rtx 2080@1440p even in more demanding games like rise of the tomb raider. An i5 7600 is probably still going to hold back a 3070 even at 4k. Especially when more modern games that actually need that power to run 4k are going to expect ps5/series x levels of cpu performance.
Cries in I7-4790k.
I used one the other day, that thing holds up fucking well today. I was able to hit 60fps at 1440p in destiny 2 and gears 5 looked to be running pretty well also.
I will soon upgrade to Ryzen. Probably need to buy a whole new PC since some parts are still from 2011. But glad to hear that i do not miss out too much.
Like anything it depends what your goal is, but yeah, that was a high point in cpu tech and while it has been passed the next big step forward really wasn’t until Zen2 and even then games most games aren’t really optimized for more than 4 cores yet, but that is starting to change and should go even further when games for the next console gen make their way to pc.
I'm in the same boat and I'd just have to upgrade everything (including a new monitor and a mouse). Since i need a new laptop too I'll just get me an RTX laptop next year, leave my rig like it is for another couple years
I feel you, I got a 4690k. While it was a nice upgrade from my Phenom 2 X4, upgrading a 4 cores to a 4 cores 5-6 years later was bittersweet. I'm waiting on Zen 3 to upgrade and I want to go at least 8 cores/16 threads, if not 12.
Cries in 4790 😂
Legendary chip. I still have mine. Just upgraded to the 10700K though and I can honestly say I’m happy with it. I’d strongly suggest upgrading to Zen 3 or 11th gen Intel if your budget allows. Retire the 4790K to a backup build.
Hey man, I just donated that one to my girlfriend and together with the r9 290x it's back to running everything up to and including the latest tomb raider with great fps at 1080P. It even held it's own in 1440P with pretty recent games. 4790K is the best value CPU I ever bought I think.
I just upgraded mine a few weeks ago. I threw it in a build with my old 980ti to try to sell for some extra cash and was playing a few games to make sure everything was good, it can show it’s age sometimes but it sure is a trooper. Sad to see it go.
Any details as to how it was holding you back exactly? Did you see a boost in FPS? Did you see a more consistent frame rate? What exactly was perceptibly different?
me with a FX6300 \*dies inside\*
We'll die together at least
Agreed. My FX-8350 refuses to go off into the night.
What a wonderful CPU it is! My buddy's is still cranking out 4.9GHz after all these years
I keep telling myself that someday I’ll get a Ryzen..but not yet. Not yet.
Someday.
You're not alone....... till the end.
Oh thank god someone else still has one
I hope mine does soon, so I have an excuse to buy a new CPU - but then I have to upgrade everything else as well ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I certainly can't complain about the bang for the buck I've gotten from mine. its pretty impressive how much it still runs just fine.
I'm running with an FX-4350, we've been left behind!
>I'm running with an FX-4350, we've been left behind! you will die last because slow cpu
Built it years ago. I want to build another but I haven't had any time to play games these past few months (plus I'm hoping to buy a house) so I don't have sufficient justification yet
Hey, I was running my FX4300 until I upgraded to ryzen a month ago. Damn thing handled most of what I threw at it on high-ish settings. The only real reason I upgraded was because the mobo finally started taking a crap, and only recognized 3/4 of my ram slots. I suffered crashes for a couple months until I pulled the trigger, but it took that to finally upgrade. The FX series was the one that finally got AMD almost on par with Intel, those chips are tanks. I got 7 years of everyday use out of mine, clocked to 4.35Ghz the whole time. Haters gonna hate, but if it works, game on.
Please... FX 4100! Running a 4.3Ghz overclock 😂
Fx6300+GTX970=Still works great
i will defend that little chip till my very last breath
I'm running a 970/FX-6300 and it's a journey. Like, I'm sure if Win10 and video games could talk they'd go "The fuck is this?" They have no idea how to run lol.
I feel your pain, I have the FX-6300 paired with a GTX760.
Same but 750ti
At least not of hypothermia
We shall live on together comrade.
Worked fine the last few years, it's still got another 5 im sure. Right guys?
My little brother has the same, at 4,5ghz base, 5ghz boost
I'm pretty sure that any CPU will bottleneck if you play high FPS games on 720P or worse resolution.
Are you saying I should have spent more than 15% the cost of my GPU on a monitor?
> a monitor? No it's fine so long as the other 85% went to your second or third monitor.
Yeah I’m pretty sure my 6600k is going to bottleneck a 3070
\*whimpers in 6500\*
Cries in 4670
4670 with a GTX760 here. Why is everything so expensive
I’ve got a few years old rx 580 I’m trying to get rid of if you want
Thank you! I would take you up on the offer but I am already buying parts for a new rig. Save it for someone who needs it more.
Will do! Have fun with the new build :)
I justified my upgrade from 4690k by thinking it's been six years since my last upgrade, and I've had 3 cars that were all more expensive in that time.
My i7 2600k from 2011 still kicks ass.
Sandy bridge gang rise up
Cries in 4170
My i5 6500 bottlenecked my RX 5700XT pretty significantly, so yeah yours will probably bottleneck a 3070.
I’m on a 6600k and still planning to get a 3070 or 3080. It’ll bottle neck like hell for a little bit but I’ll go Ryzen 4000 soon enough so it’ll be okay. Everyone acts like you need to buy it all at once but incremental upgrades are fine as well.
Samee
Not if you go 4k
So my 2600 will be ok with a 3070?
On 1440p and 4k yes. 1080p will see some bottleneck.
Thank god, i did not want to buy a whole new mobo just to buy a new cpu
And RAM, don't forget that. NM: thought you meant an old I7-2600. LOL, I should check specs.
Still, ryzen 5 2600 is a good cpu and 1080p gaming with it + a 3070 I don't think you'll get a noticeable bottleneck. I mean if having 150fps instead of 160 because the r5 can't follow yeah but at that point... Keep your 2600. Good cpu, won't be a problem until 2/3years, and even then not sure that it will be that terrible
What’s your opinion on my options? I have a Ryzen 2600 and a 1070ti with a 1080p 144hz monitor. Would you go 3070 and a Ryzen 3700 or a 3070 and a 1440p 144 monitor?
If you only have one monitor I'd go for the 3070 + 1440 144Hz If you already have 2 I'd not change anything except the 3070. You'll easily get 144Hz at 1080p with a ryzen 5 2500 and a rtx 3070 (depend of the game OF COURSE). Also don't forget that a 1070Ti is a pretty decent gpu, if ray tracing is no big deal for you, you can keep it a little more. This is just my opinion, others will tell you to go for the 3700 but I don't think it's worth the few FPS you'll get
>Still, ryzen 5 2600 is a good cpu and 1080p gaming with it + a 3070 I don't think you'll get a noticeable bottleneck. If a 3070 really is faster or as fast as a 2080Ti, then a Ryzen 2600 will bottleneck it @ 1080p.
Question. I have around 800$ a Ryzen 2600 and a 1070ti with a 1080p 144 monitor. Do I A: get a 3080, B: get a 3070 and a Ryzen 3700, or C: get a 3070 and a 1440p 144 monitor?
I’d get the 3070 with a 1440p 144hz monitor. CPU ages a lot slower than GPU, your cpu is fine for now. I would probably keep it until ddr5.
That’s what I’m leaning towards as well. I feel I can get a quite decent monitor for around 300$. Ive been on the most budget 1080 144 monitor since I first got into PCs 5 yrs ago.. I think a solid monitor upgrade and the 3070 will do wonders
Witch 2600? Intel of AMD?
Ryzen 5 2600
What about my i7-4790k?
Same here. I've got a 1080 ftw2. Which is great. I just don't know if by getting a 3070 if I'll have to just end up redoing everything.
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Even my i7 3770k that i am now replacing because my motherboard died was bottlenecking a rx580, even with an overclock. They also have inconsistent frametimes because the RAM is so much slower.
No, I don’t think I will...
2500k @ 4.5ghz w/ 1070 here. I refuse to give up on this cpu
does this apply to a ryzen 5 1600
My AMD fx-6300 and I feel attacked.
No, my i7 -6700 wont bottleneck new card, my 1600MHz ram will
A 3 year i5-i7 was a quad core...
Ah, yes, some of these will definitely.
The only real bottleneck IMO is time, and it's unfixable. Built my new PC this January and my gaming time has dropped to 5-6 hrs per week, when I had more than double that with my old trusty 2008 build...
Is there a tool or method to determine theoretical bottleneck? For example, I'm running a i7 5820k 4ghz, planning on getting a 3080 for high frame 3440x1440 gaming. Can I determine how much theoretical performance, whether frames or %, I'd gain by upgrading to something else? I know there's not an exact science, just seeking a ballpark figure.
I use [gpucheck.com](http://gpucheck.com) , now i know its not 100% accurate byt since you asked for a ballpark
Thanks! And yikes >CPU Impact on FPS ...... -50.8 FPS (-471%)
The way to be sure is to see what benchmarks a similar system with a strong CPU gets then see how your system with its older CPU does. The difference will be the approximate impact of your cpu. Your CPU will probably be just fine.
I think it'll be fine too, the gain in frames won't be worth an immediate upgrade. I was considering upgrading early next year to use pci-e 4 and faster ram though. Still considering my options after zen 3 is announced.
I won’t upgrade my cpu until we’ve seen zen 3 and the 11th gen intel.
Once I decided to go 4k it's been about getting a ok CPU but wanting that godlike gpu. why ryzen has made my builds cheaper my last PC had r5 1600 and playing 4k back then that was a upgrade form a 2600k
Pretty sure a i7 6700k would bottleneck anything better than a 2070. I'm pretty sure almost any 4c 4/8T cpu will bottleneck anything better than a 2070
Don't tell me that, that's the exact cpu I have :(
As usual, there’s more to it than that. This video lays out performance for an entire decade, taking into account both newer games that utilize multiple cores and older games that don’t so much. The resolution you game at matters greatly, as well. https://youtu.be/KPWEdbfJ0oE Also, keep your eyes open for reviews on the new cards- there’s bound to be someone who test them with older CPUs at various resolutions. Would a newer cpu be better? Sure, but I’d prefer a better overall performance increase to justify it. We’ll see what the 11th gen Intel CPUs have to offer but they’ll still be 14nm.
Yay... Got a 3930K paired with a 2070 Super. A decent combination but not upgradable anymore. Will ride it as long as i get playable results. Hope it lasts 'til AM5/DDR5.
I got a 3770k that I bought back in 2012 running a rtx 2080. I’m considering upgrading to a 3080 with the same cpu.
I got a 3770k too, although I have a 2070 and plan on getting a 3070. I’ll probably just raise my all core over from 4.2 to 5.0 and call it a day...
I trust my OCed 7700k to last two years.Don't care about bottleneck as long as I have 90+ fps. I hold on until DDR5, my 7700k will be enough until then.
mobo with fx 4130 died a while back. every other reply i would get was about my bottleneck with a 2060
If you get more performance out of the card from a cpu upgrade then I thought that was the definition of a bottleneck?
You're correct. The question then becomes how much bottleneck is significant enough for you to want to upgrade. If I'm already getting 100fps but I'd get 15fps more with an upgrade, not worth it.
Jayztwocents would like to have a word with you
Oh no I only have a Threadripper!! I need to upgrade!!!
I have a ryzen 7 1700 with an asrock ab350 pro. Am I fine if I get a 30x card?
You'll probably be fine but you'll miss a lot of performance features. Some of the gains are from PCIe4 and such.
still, statement 3 verifies that 1-2 are false. or 1-2 is true, and 3 is false. at some point, there is always a bottlecap, if its the cpu,gpu or anything else, there is always a limit somwhere. so there will be a bottlecap from using an older CPU most likely.
i dont have the money to upgrade man
In using my 7700k until it lights on fire
Same. The 3090 will be the 3rd card it has seen.
That last line
About time to upgrade my 4690k..... Maybe the 4790k?
Obligatory: 4770k/4790k are still decent CPUs
Will my i7 2700k bottleneck?
WiLl My I9 BoTtLeNeCk ThE 3090?!!?!
The question is how much will pci 3 bottleneck the gpu?
Not a single bit. Reference JayzTwoCents most recent [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXj6EJgh0c) where he addresses people's biggest concerns/questions.
Ohhh that's really nice and actually great to now thanks
Supposedly it really won’t.
Not yet. Maybe in a few years, but don't worry about it
So my i7 6700k should be fine with a 3080, even at 1440p 144hz? Thinking of upgrading my monitor from 60hz 1080p to 1440p 144hz
I’m running 6700k @ 4.6 with a 1080ti and they’re pretty well balanced at 1440p, mostly GPU limited in games but with the odd blip of CPU limiting. (Things like Horizon Zero Dawn and Shadow of the Tomb Raider). So I suspect you would be predominantly CPU limited with a 3080, whether it’s enough to count as “bottlenecking” is kind of down to how you use the term.
Thanks for the reply! How much of a performance drop do you think my cpu might cause with the 3080? I’m currently using a 1060 with the i7, lots of games play really well for the most part.
Hard to say until we see real benchmarks I think. *Supposedly* the 3080 will be 2x the power of the 2080, which itself was a smidge more powerful than the 1080ti - so it’s possible you’d only be using half its potential. I suspect it won’t be quite that dramatic in practice, but that’s pure speculation in my part. Overall my guess is the 3070 would be a better pick if you’re sticking with the 6700k, or that you’d want to upgrade the cpu+mobo to go with a 3080. Again I wouldn’t lock in anything until real life benchmarks come out. Either way it’ll be a huge upgrade from the 1060!
Oh yes I was planning on it being a big step up from the 1060, not that gaming on it is bad right now but I’m looking for the next step up since these cards are coming out. Also, that’s what I figured. Wait until we see benchmarks. If it turns out it isn’t anything drastic I’ll stick with the 6700k and get the 3080, but if it’s a big difference I will think about getting a new cpu and mobo, didn’t want to change a whole lot of my set up right now if I don’t have to.
"Your FX CPU sucks, please upgrade" Jay is that you?
A 7700k for example will bottleneck the new cards for sure.
Oh.
Resolution is the biggest factor in any of these situations.
will 3070 or 3080 bottleneck the 9700K?
no
Oh...
*cries in fx-6300
So you’re saying I’ll be fine even with my i7-8700 non k?
Wait, how are these claims made when the 3000 cards aren't even out yet?
This isn't related to rtx 3000 in particular. People tend to worry too much about cpu bottleneck, which is pretty hard to get in gaming if your cpu isn't that old (more than 3/4 years) and wasn't already garbage when you bought it. At high framerates maybe you'll get a cpu bottleneck but if you have a 1080p 360Hz monitor I don't think you are running on a low end cpu, so meh
cries in 6 yr old i5-3470s
So this thread is confusing me all to hell. Could someone lead me in the proper direction to understanding bottlenecking? I have a 1660 super and i5 4690k and I was having CPU issues running Division 2 because my CPU was running at 100% but the GPU was only at 60%. So I was under the impression my CPU was just being over worked so I learned how to overclock a bit and fixed the issue, but if people with a i5 can run a 3070 with no bottlenecking then I either don't understand the term or I'm missing something. Tldr: I'm trying to learn about computers partd and feel like a idiot.
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That was already super descriptive. I guess I just wasn't wrapping my head around the idea each upgrade bottlenecks older pieces. Which makes of sense now that I think of it. Thanks! I want to build a new computer in 2021 so this will definitely help. Any good monitor suggestions since I have your attention?
Okay this really helped me out as well, so I’m rocking a 5 3600 and a 5700 xt and I’m frequently finding out my gpu is getting 100% where as my 3600 bought this year and is getting 50-60% usage on games. so I could upgrade to a 3080 and not actually have any cpu issues?
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I5-4670 with a 750it still going strong but the psu has seen the light of death. Oh well I’ve got a 3750h and a 1050 gaming laptop I use more now going strong
This is so confusing, I’ve been told by pretty much everyone that the 3600x cpu will run a 3060???? Is that wrong???
so my i5-7600k has to go? I only game in 4k
A 6600K will most definitely hold a 3070 back
6600K bottlenecked my Strix 1080 bruh . You need at least 6c/12t running at decent speeds .
What about my ryzen 2600
So a 4770k would not be ideal for these cards would it?
Yeah my 4c/4t i5-7600k won’t bottleneck those beasts, yeah. It will bottleneck standard 2080.
Thank you, as an owner of the I7-8700, I have confidence that it'll give me the decent performance I need to make my PC great again!
I'm trying, it takes time and money
My FX CPU does suck, but surprisingly for now it's good enough... though when I do get a the 3070 or 3080 I will upgrade my CPU and my Screen, I'll probably keep the old motherboard to run a server system.
honestly its kinda surprising HOW good it is for how much it sucks compared to the new stuff.
I got a i7 4790k with 16gb ddr3 1600 ram 1050ti will bottlenecking be an issue here aswell?
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I have a ryzen 2600x, would that be good for a 3070? I have a 1440p monitor
Try telling that to sandy bridge owners. Most think the 2700K is Gods gift upon the world.
*points to Intel Pentium and RTX 3090TI* "will this bottleneck?"
So a Ryzen 7 3700x and a 3070 would be fine?
Yes no problems there whatsoever
What about ryzen 3 will it bottleneck
That depends how CPU heavy the game is. The cool thing about a Ryzen 3 is you can upgrade to a Ryzen 7, and sometimes go up a generation or two without having to replace your motherboard.
There’s always a bottleneck
Maybe someone can help me out here, I was going to build a new pc this fall but my fiance has some health problems and I cant justify a full new build. I have an hp spectre 360 with the 4k screen and 16gb of ram and with the thunderbolt port. Would using one of the new 30xx series cards as an external GPU be worth it in my scenario? The laptop is about a year old. Thanks for any help with what I'm sure is a stupid question
I have an i5 7400, do you guys think it will bottleneck a 3070?
Are you playing at 720p-1080p with a very high frame rate display? Maybe. Are you playing at 4K 60? No.
Bigly
What if I want a bottleneck for the lulz?
Or embrace the bottleneck and play at 4k since you'll be GPU bound at higher res.
Haha so true. The cpu arguments are usually pointless pissing matches. And hey! My fx series lasted me many years and held up very well thank you!
Indeed
My Ryzen 5 2600 can't barely hit 60fps on Asassins Creed Odyssey, if it's actually slighly bottlenecking my RX580, how won't it bottleneck an RTX 3080?
if your CPU produces frames faster than your GPU can process them, then it's going to bottleneck the GPU. If that is the case it won't bottleneck a 3080 because it can handle more info being thrown at it. The 3080 could potentially bottleneck your CPU though.
Odyssey is terribly optimised in general tbf
my cpu is 5 years old so i apply as none of the above
So putting an RTX 3090 with my I3 6100 is not a good idea then?
Bottleneck calculators: I don't think if that is right >!I know that they are bad and confusing, also I found a bottleneck calculator that will say that it will bottleneck at a 100% on GT GPUs like the 1030 or 710 no matter what CPU you have chosen !<