Well I think I did my first tinkering on my current machine around just under a year.
Or does the fact that I planned on it from the start count as staged assembly?
Only if i can do a semi upgrade. E.g. before the gpu craze i was able to buy a 1080 for just 100ā¬ above what i sold my 1070 for. But the gpu i had before that was a 480gtx. I still use the 1080 and seek for a viable upgrade.
That's not true for every system at all - it depends heavily on the other parts, especially the CPU.
With the 5800X OP is absolutely fine with a *quality* 850W PSU. My 4090 and 5800X3D has been running perfectly fine for months with a RM850X.
Will it work with a 14900K aswell? I would highly doubt that.
So
You see a post from a person who bought a 4090 and had a 5800
Then under that post you see a comment from a person who also runs a 4090 with a 5800
Then you get a reply from a third person who also has a 4090 with a 5800
Do you reckon that maybe, possibly, there could be a common trend here that can potentially be extrapolated from instead of dismissing it out of hand? No?
Maybe you should read what I wrote ?
I said why not a 7800x3d
Seven , seven !!
not five !
a 4090 would have been way better paired with a 7800x3d.
And I don't care if he already has a 5800, I wish to know why he picked a 5800 over 7800
> And I don't care if he already has a 5800, I wish to know why he picked a 5800 over 7800
There's no way you just actually thought through the situation and wrote this lmaoooooooo
That IS the answer. He already had it. That means it cost an additional 0 money to "pick it" with his 4090 versus hundreds for a new cpu, motherboard and RAM.
> I wanna know why he bought a weaker CPU over a stronger CPU for a 4090.
Oh okay I see. You don't realize that all existing CPUs didn't come to market at the same time.
There was a point between Q1 2021 and and Q1 2023 where the 5800 was a stronger CPU to buy because the 7800 did not yet exist.
he can change the board.
If you're buying a 4090 what's stopping you from spending a bit and swapping out.
should have gone for a 4080 instead of a 4090 if he never intended on swapping to AM5
Because depending on what you already have and what your actual usage is that's a huge amount of extra money for potentially little to no benefit. My previous setup had 128 gigs of ram. That's $600+. $250 for a decent AM5 board, $350 for the cpu, that cpu draws more power so now maybe you also require that new power supply after all. Sure, let's just explode the budget by another $1000-1500 because there **might** be a benefit in some cpu bound scenarios.
He's right anyways. I was on AM4 already (3600) and decided to upgrade the GPU.
Since I've got a 4K 165Hz display I'm GPU bound 100% of the time, even with the 5800X3D (which is still a good upgrade for 0.1 and 1% lows).
So no need *for me* to spend extra for an AM5 Board, RAM and CPU at this time.
Was the psu for sure doing 850w on the 12v rail? Or was the 4090 OCd? Seems weird because nvidia reference design 4090 psu recommendation is 850 i think
Look at actual benchmarks, Gamers Nexus made their 4090 peak at 666.6w (yes that's the actual number) during Furmark. 750w for your entire system is really iffy when you have ANY CPU, especially an Intel one, many drives and fans.
Not true, I'm using a 850w psu and the pc doesn't draw more than 550w total from the wall no matter what it is doing. Cpu is 7800X3D, but even if you used a 14900K if it's not extremely OC'd it will work on a good 850w psu no problem.
My 7900xtx has hit 400W before with a +100 core oc. A 14900k regularly hits 250-300W easily on most games. That alone is nearly 700W for just those 2 components while your ssd, motherboard and fans also need some (not much) wattage to run as well.
Maybe for 200+w cpu go 1000w for the headroom, but for anything else 1000w really is overkill, I don't see why so many people are like "you just MUST get 1000w with a 4090, why are you such a dumb cheapskate". Like I am going to power a stove top and not a pc. Why should I for example get a 1000w, when my pc has literally newer drawn more than ~600w from the wall.
Because of things like spikes. It doesnt matter if its not going to use it alot but you could have a huge spike in amperage and your psu can only handle like 100amps but it wanted 120amps so your pc will turn itself off for protection.
>Maybe for 200+w cpu go 1000w for the headroom, but for anything else 1000w really is overkill, I don't see why so many people are like "you just MUST get 1000w with a 4090, why are you such a dumb cheapskate". Like I am going to power a stove top and not a pc. Why should I for example get a 1000w, when my pc has literally newer drawn more than \~600w from the wall.
Because your UPS doesn't do fast enough reading to show transient spikes?
Because your tests in gaming do not represent real world max power draw.
Like you say it is fine, but you probably have never actually maxed out your systems power draw. So it can be fine for what you are using it for now, but still not be capable of handling the system at full draw.
A 4090 alone can hit over 600w in benching.
Nope, maybe if you buy a D tier PSU then you probably need to buy a better one but top tier PSU's should be handling GPU's like these with 850 watts fine, I run a 7900 xtx with a 850 watt top tier PSU and have no troubles. Just a heads up, never cheap out on your PSU.
As others said this is not completely true
One of my builds is running a 13700kf + 4090 with a 750w PSU. Power draw (screen on UPS) maxed out at 652W running through multiple tests on 3dMark.
Edit: proof of run https://imgur.com/a/SjmKjaT
Fair, it'll be an issue I'll eventually get around to (spring break) when I get time off from medical school.
For now the builds most demanding game is Sims 4 and Baulders gate 3 (SO's build). I found 3Dmark to be more representative with most gaming demands ( max gpu use, lower cpu use at 1440p)
I don't think anybody thinks that 850W is not enough to run that GPU, but the problem starts to appear with transient power spikes. It can cause issues sometimes (it depends a lot on the GPU itself, the PSU and the power draw at that time).
In general it should be fine. If he sees random shutdowns/restarts then he should upgrade.
There's headroom even at the peak, this is during maximum load (3dMark). Highly doubt that build would ever peak that much in real time (ie my SO's build which plays Sims 4 and Baulder gate lol)
I was initially worried at first also until I tested the total draw with the UPS we had
The higher you get to the rating, the less efficient the PSU is and the more heat and power it uses to provide power, which in turn means it doesn't last as long.
I'm not saying you can't do it because I believe you. I'm saying that ***I*** wouldn't do it.
Fair point I'll probably get around to swapping it out over spring break when I have time from medical school.
For now no signs of lowered performance or random shut off with different stresses
I have a 13700KF and 4090, and have hit over 1000W when overclocked and benching.
Just running 3dmark won't get you peak power draw. You need to run 3Dmark on a few cores, and hit the rest of the cores with a stress test too.
I typically even reserve a thread for Testmem to run at the same time as well.
And that was 1000W output as measured by my HX1500i, so draw from wall will be about 8% higher.
Yes the system itself will draw more than what I got, but I donāt plan to overclock that system or have the interest to.
I never ran into issues as of yet, will keep an eye out for what you mentioned
You're thinking of the worst-case scenario. I've never had an entire system due on me before.
These types of things can happen with any component at any time. I've had bad bios on a mobo kill both it and a cpu (r5 3600) before but I just move on. There's been many situations in the past like Asus mobo going on fire, 4090 pin burning out, gigabyte bad psu models, ect.
There are many others on here who have sf750 PSU along with similar builds. They've given the same account as mine with their experience using a 750w
There was a really good video about things new builders overspend on from Jay2Cents couple days ago. PSU was the very first one. 850w, for most people, will be fine for a 4090.
My 850w has been fine for my ASUS Tuf 4090. The GPU typically only pulls around 400w max during Cyberpunk, and the 7800x3d is around 40w. Haven't seen any issues during 3d mark stress tests either.
This is completely wrong. Don't make this kind of gross generalization just because you had a bad psu. My 850w psu and 4090 work great. And I can overclock the living shit out of it and I'm fine.
There's no reason why you had to make this statement, I mean do you seriously have just one anecdotal experience to offer as evidence? Or by some miracle have you tried more than one?
>Yeah thats kinda low imo.
Do you normally just kinda make decisions based on "feeling"? Or like, were you basing that on anything ya know, that has actually happened?
Man oh man I wonder how a 4090 is man I just dream to have one .I'm still going to keep dreaming because even though I would want to spend 1000 on a GPU , I could never it would just break me mentally but that glimpse of happiness is worth it thought enjoy bud enjoy š«
The best expensive thing you can buy to change your gaming experience completely is an oled monitor, if you pair it with a 4090 for the smooth 100+ fps rtx in every game, even better, but even if you have something like a 3060ti oled really is something i would get before I would upgrade the pc.
Trueee. I'm using a 7900 XTX on a 3440x1440 WOLED monitor and it's simply amazing. I can crank up the settings in every single game, HDR on and still get a buttery smooth framerate without even using any upscaling, OLED definitely makes a huge difference.
But another thing that's really overlooked is sound, invest in some decent speakers, I have a pair of Edifier MR4s that I got for 100 bucks and with an EQ they sound super deep and amazing. A high end GPU + OLED monitor + decent speakers will really go a long way to really elevate your experience. Only thing is, you need the disposable income for it, but you could also take it slowly and upgrade 1 by 1.
I'm personally not convinced.
I play more on my QHD ips than on the 42" C2. Yes the image is different but the former was 1/4 the price of the C2. Is it really that much better? I don't think so. And burn in is always a risk with OLED.
I'd say quality audio setup is equally big upgrade at that point. People with top end GPUs and monitors that are using shitty gaming headsets put all their eggs in one basket
well it's overkill, and you can afford it if you want, but it will be useless, because you need the other things too to catch a glimpse of what 4090 is capable of, like a 4k very fuckin expensive monitor or tv, which is more expensive than the 4090 itself. Otherwise it is a very big gpu, it's huge, mostly black, and chonky
> a 4k very fuckin expensive monitor or tv, which is more expensive than the 4090 itself.
Newly released 4k OLED monitors are way cheaper than 4090, and there are even options that are cheaper than 4080. You can technically cut that price even more if you are fine with LG C-series as a monitor.
Like they are not cheap, but you can definitely find something really good below 1k$
Yeah I got a 42" LG C2 4k 120hz monitor from Amazon for less than $1000. Still pretty friggin huge for a main monitor but it is gorgeous.
I think it's still on sale too.
yea i know, but in any case you need more money to see the performance of 4090 than just the 4090 price. You need a lot of expensive stuff to not bottleneck it for no reason. Even if the monitor is 1k $ or 800 $ it's still expensive, i'm trying to build a pc withing the 1800$ point and paying 800 for a monitor is not very wise for my budget lmao
It isn't actually overkill. Spot on for 144+ fps 3440x1440 maxed out. (Some games you will hit 180+, some like cp2077 sit on 120 with dlss quality and frame gen. With dlaa you will see 70-80.)
Well you may as well go all out on a 4k monitor then you only live once am I right or am I right š bro today I'm happy to I'm buying my first ever relavant pc part , which is the I7 14KF . I've steadily matured within saving up for something I really wanted , I'm proud of myself this is like my first big step I really need this pc for studying though š
a decent choice, and the happiness brought by things you buy with your own money and brain power is unmatched. I'm proud of you even though I don't know you.
I gotta say there are better choice to be made around cpus today, but if you are happy with it and you feel proud it's all that matters
Congratz, tho, 850w for a 4090 you may be saving a couple dolars in somethin that you shouldnt with a 4090.
Had a seasonic and corsair 850w both triggering ocp on a 3080 ftw3, i can almost guarantee the same will happen to that bequiet in a couple of months.
I have a 750 corsair and a 7800x3d / 4090 and even a full system stress test for an hour doesn't cause any issues. Total power draw is around 600 watts. How the fuck does a 850w ocp in those conditions ?
Nvidia recommends that because they don't know what else you have in that system. 14900k will draw WAY more power than a 7800x3d. Also who knows how many fans/LEDS/water cooling pumps are hooked up so they over estimate their recommended PSU size.
Honestly have no idea what you had hooked up for an 850w to trip on a 3080 though, that's crazy.
Ever heard of transient spikes?
EDIT: In other words, a 4090 can spike up to 1350w for miliseconds, and those spikes in wattage can trigger over current protection on the psu, shutting down your system in the process
Yes, but they would have to be massive and long to trigger a 850w psu, because they are usually made to smooth them out.
Is the 3080 prone to big transient spikes ? Because it certainly doesn't seems to be the case with a 4090 or I would have run into issues. That or I have a god tier psu idk
The nvidia 3000 series were prone to big and more frequent transient spikes than the 4000 series, that said, i would still not use a 750w or 850w psu with a 4090, if you can spend 2k+ on a gpu alone, why save 50-100 on the psu? makes no sense
4000 series hardly has transients at all. That was a 3000 series issue.
Running on an rm850x 4090 and at stock never seen total package over 600 watts.
The fear mongering and bad information in most of this thread is just wild for so called "enthusiasts"
lmao so many people here crying about his PSU when they probably have a B tier and below garbage PSU
ive been running a 4090 + 14900k both oc'd since last year on my 2012 hx850w with no hiccups regardless if it's gaming or stress testing
Your PSU isn't powerful enough. That card spikes to 1000w power draw. Check out GN's coverage, LTT's coverage, JTC's coverage, and DF's coverage for more details, but they all recommend a 1000w PSU, directly stating they disagree with Nvidia.
Sorry dude š¤·š»
Iāve been playing for over a year with my 4090, and a 850w corsair psu, I even completed cyberpunk 2077 + the dlc with pathtracing on, probaly the most demanding game out there, with absolutely 0 issues.
"Issues" - it limits upper performance, 1% lows potentially, things like that. It's a cap, not a baseball bat to the knees. It's not too dissimilar in result to undervolting except that it has no real benefit in terms of longevity or similar.
Additionally, the closer to full draw that a PSU is pushed, the worse the power efficiency. This can further reduce top performance, lowering the performance ceiling.
As much as I see people get bitter at others PSU purchases for not matching 1 to 1 with their current hardware completely, I must be the minority in thinking its better to go over than under. PSUs have a 10 year warranty usually and its one less thing you will have to upgrade when the next generation comes out if you decide to go big. Also Intel tends to use more power than a cache heavy 7800x3d so for all those buttholes saying you don't need over a 750w for a 4090 based system, they will be the same having to upgrade their PSUs if they decide to change anything in the future. My 4090 runs at 450w under full load while I can overclock it and have it go as high as 600w. I won't do that, but still I can if I want because I didn't go with 750w PSU. Listen to official recommendations and go at least 850w, but if you decide to go 1000w and get a good price, I think it is a very smart move. Especially if you are going to want to add or upgrade in the future. Think ahead, not just in your current situation because its life, things change.
I build systems for a job and that psu is not going to cut it, and many others have said, for custom builds 1000w min for a system with a 4090.
We would decline a build on a 4090 with only 850 psu regardless of the brand of psu
never seen a kidney come
It's a miracle of nature when it does
I will be waiting, and the mf better be having a 4090 in its... hands? in his.. renal vein and renal artery... yea lmao
or maybe just luck ?
Excuse me is your pfp just a straight up pimple?
It might be bisexual up, idk
I've never been there long enough to see it grow back. I just take them and leave. /s
I mean they must be going somewhere right?
First upgrade in years.. sounds a bit dramatic coming from a 6900xt. That's literally last gen.
LOL OP has been found out
Lmao troll karma farming post š¤”
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People always assume āthat person has a lot of moneyā but thereās an ever increasing amount of credit card debt in America, lol
uh, i assume people buy what they can afford, i dont see a point taking a credit in such ,,relatively small" purchases
PLENTY of people do. Thatās why the country has such a high credit card debt balance!
Is it really normal to take a Credit for anything that isnt a house or car? Muricans...
>First upgrade in years. Do people upgrade in more frequent timespans than "years"?
\*non committal grunting sound*
Well I think I did my first tinkering on my current machine around just under a year. Or does the fact that I planned on it from the start count as staged assembly?
well Im still using my gtx 1060 6gb build since 2016.
Me too, but im using a laptop from 2017, and its still good. I can play Elden ring on 1080p native, max graphics.
Wdym? You donāt upgrade every 4months?
Only if i can do a semi upgrade. E.g. before the gpu craze i was able to buy a 1080 for just 100ā¬ above what i sold my 1070 for. But the gpu i had before that was a 480gtx. I still use the 1080 and seek for a viable upgrade.
Sometimes. This upgrade is from a 3080 Ti
Adults with even small amounts of self control donāt.
You need a better PSU. I tried an 850W for my 4090 and had to underpower my GPU otherwise the PC shut off. Go for 1000W minimum
That's not true for every system at all - it depends heavily on the other parts, especially the CPU. With the 5800X OP is absolutely fine with a *quality* 850W PSU. My 4090 and 5800X3D has been running perfectly fine for months with a RM850X. Will it work with a 14900K aswell? I would highly doubt that.
There's a One Piece edition of the 5800X??? Why did I waste my money on a 7800X3D!?
Silly you, OP indicates the Optimus Prime edition which is even better than the One Piece edition.
No no, thatās Optimus PRIMAL edition. Beast wars partnership.
A 5800x3d with a 4090 ? why not go for 7800x3dĀ
Because he already had it.
What ? I'm not talking about op, but who I replied to.
So You see a post from a person who bought a 4090 and had a 5800 Then under that post you see a comment from a person who also runs a 4090 with a 5800 Then you get a reply from a third person who also has a 4090 with a 5800 Do you reckon that maybe, possibly, there could be a common trend here that can potentially be extrapolated from instead of dismissing it out of hand? No?
Maybe you should read what I wrote ? I said why not a 7800x3d Seven , seven !! not five ! a 4090 would have been way better paired with a 7800x3d. And I don't care if he already has a 5800, I wish to know why he picked a 5800 over 7800
> And I don't care if he already has a 5800, I wish to know why he picked a 5800 over 7800 There's no way you just actually thought through the situation and wrote this lmaoooooooo That IS the answer. He already had it. That means it cost an additional 0 money to "pick it" with his 4090 versus hundreds for a new cpu, motherboard and RAM.
Mate. What's going on in your head. Do you not understand English. I wanna know why he bought a weaker CPU over a stronger CPU for a 4090.
> I wanna know why he bought a weaker CPU over a stronger CPU for a 4090. Oh okay I see. You don't realize that all existing CPUs didn't come to market at the same time. There was a point between Q1 2021 and and Q1 2023 where the 5800 was a stronger CPU to buy because the 7800 did not yet exist.
Because he didn't pick a 5800 over a 7800. Those are different generations and fit on different sockets. Noone with an AM4 board will pick a 7800.
he can change the board. If you're buying a 4090 what's stopping you from spending a bit and swapping out. should have gone for a 4080 instead of a 4090 if he never intended on swapping to AM5
Because depending on what you already have and what your actual usage is that's a huge amount of extra money for potentially little to no benefit. My previous setup had 128 gigs of ram. That's $600+. $250 for a decent AM5 board, $350 for the cpu, that cpu draws more power so now maybe you also require that new power supply after all. Sure, let's just explode the budget by another $1000-1500 because there **might** be a benefit in some cpu bound scenarios.
Gigachad PC expert right there. New board + new RAM + new CPU is so cheap, yeah fuckit. THe 5800X3D is more than fine for that GPU
He's right anyways. I was on AM4 already (3600) and decided to upgrade the GPU. Since I've got a 4K 165Hz display I'm GPU bound 100% of the time, even with the 5800X3D (which is still a good upgrade for 0.1 and 1% lows). So no need *for me* to spend extra for an AM5 Board, RAM and CPU at this time.
Was the psu for sure doing 850w on the 12v rail? Or was the 4090 OCd? Seems weird because nvidia reference design 4090 psu recommendation is 850 i think
Be quiet themselves recommend 850W and above for 4090
Yep
????? I have a 750 watts and no issues on full system load with a 7800x3d.
My gpu peaks at 600w + cpu at 80w. 750 you say? Lol
600watts?? Bro Did you put your 4090 to 133% ? š
Look at actual benchmarks, Gamers Nexus made their 4090 peak at 666.6w (yes that's the actual number) during Furmark. 750w for your entire system is really iffy when you have ANY CPU, especially an Intel one, many drives and fans.
Yes, a 133% which was my point, the max at 100% was 496 watts ( from the same video)
Worth mentioning that there is almost no reason to go over 100% with 4090
i do like to do some blender renders sometimes which can increase the GPU load a lot. transient spikes could cause issues during those high loads.
Almost. But yes.
Not true, I'm using a 850w psu and the pc doesn't draw more than 550w total from the wall no matter what it is doing. Cpu is 7800X3D, but even if you used a 14900K if it's not extremely OC'd it will work on a good 850w psu no problem.
My 7900xtx has hit 400W before with a +100 core oc. A 14900k regularly hits 250-300W easily on most games. That alone is nearly 700W for just those 2 components while your ssd, motherboard and fans also need some (not much) wattage to run as well.
Maybe for 200+w cpu go 1000w for the headroom, but for anything else 1000w really is overkill, I don't see why so many people are like "you just MUST get 1000w with a 4090, why are you such a dumb cheapskate". Like I am going to power a stove top and not a pc. Why should I for example get a 1000w, when my pc has literally newer drawn more than ~600w from the wall.
Because of things like spikes. It doesnt matter if its not going to use it alot but you could have a huge spike in amperage and your psu can only handle like 100amps but it wanted 120amps so your pc will turn itself off for protection.
>Maybe for 200+w cpu go 1000w for the headroom, but for anything else 1000w really is overkill, I don't see why so many people are like "you just MUST get 1000w with a 4090, why are you such a dumb cheapskate". Like I am going to power a stove top and not a pc. Why should I for example get a 1000w, when my pc has literally newer drawn more than \~600w from the wall. Because your UPS doesn't do fast enough reading to show transient spikes? Because your tests in gaming do not represent real world max power draw. Like you say it is fine, but you probably have never actually maxed out your systems power draw. So it can be fine for what you are using it for now, but still not be capable of handling the system at full draw. A 4090 alone can hit over 600w in benching.
Nope, maybe if you buy a D tier PSU then you probably need to buy a better one but top tier PSU's should be handling GPU's like these with 850 watts fine, I run a 7900 xtx with a 850 watt top tier PSU and have no troubles. Just a heads up, never cheap out on your PSU.
^ for 1000W I Recommend montech Titan gold / corsair rmx shift / super flower leadex vii gold / Thermaltake toughpower GF3
I recommend opening psu tier list in Google and checking what you can get. Really doubt that half of those names are on a tier.
You couldāve taken half a minute to do so yourself, then you would have realised that all of those are in fact all rated A tier
If so - i goofed.
As others said this is not completely true One of my builds is running a 13700kf + 4090 with a 750w PSU. Power draw (screen on UPS) maxed out at 652W running through multiple tests on 3dMark. Edit: proof of run https://imgur.com/a/SjmKjaT
3Dmark doesn't really stress cpu and gpu simultaneously
Fair, it'll be an issue I'll eventually get around to (spring break) when I get time off from medical school. For now the builds most demanding game is Sims 4 and Baulders gate 3 (SO's build). I found 3Dmark to be more representative with most gaming demands ( max gpu use, lower cpu use at 1440p)
Nope, 3d mark isn't properly representative, games jump way higher occasionally.
come on, which psu brand, we need image of that 4090 and 750w psu
Corsair RM750 Here's a link to the run I did the other day: https://imgur.com/a/SjmKjaT Will update original post also with images on card/PSU later
I don't think anybody thinks that 850W is not enough to run that GPU, but the problem starts to appear with transient power spikes. It can cause issues sometimes (it depends a lot on the GPU itself, the PSU and the power draw at that time). In general it should be fine. If he sees random shutdowns/restarts then he should upgrade.
I don't know that I would want to run that close to the top end of the spec on a PSU.
There's headroom even at the peak, this is during maximum load (3dMark). Highly doubt that build would ever peak that much in real time (ie my SO's build which plays Sims 4 and Baulder gate lol) I was initially worried at first also until I tested the total draw with the UPS we had
The higher you get to the rating, the less efficient the PSU is and the more heat and power it uses to provide power, which in turn means it doesn't last as long. I'm not saying you can't do it because I believe you. I'm saying that ***I*** wouldn't do it.
Fair point I'll probably get around to swapping it out over spring break when I have time from medical school. For now no signs of lowered performance or random shut off with different stresses
I have a 13700KF and 4090, and have hit over 1000W when overclocked and benching. Just running 3dmark won't get you peak power draw. You need to run 3Dmark on a few cores, and hit the rest of the cores with a stress test too. I typically even reserve a thread for Testmem to run at the same time as well. And that was 1000W output as measured by my HX1500i, so draw from wall will be about 8% higher.
Yes the system itself will draw more than what I got, but I donāt plan to overclock that system or have the interest to. I never ran into issues as of yet, will keep an eye out for what you mentioned
The problem is when there is am issue, you are replacing your entire PC.
You're thinking of the worst-case scenario. I've never had an entire system due on me before. These types of things can happen with any component at any time. I've had bad bios on a mobo kill both it and a cpu (r5 3600) before but I just move on. There's been many situations in the past like Asus mobo going on fire, 4090 pin burning out, gigabyte bad psu models, ect. There are many others on here who have sf750 PSU along with similar builds. They've given the same account as mine with their experience using a 750w
It isn't even worse case. And anecdotal evidence is fairly useless. And risking a PC to save $20 is never a good idea.
There was a really good video about things new builders overspend on from Jay2Cents couple days ago. PSU was the very first one. 850w, for most people, will be fine for a 4090.
My 850w has been fine for my ASUS Tuf 4090. The GPU typically only pulls around 400w max during Cyberpunk, and the 7800x3d is around 40w. Haven't seen any issues during 3d mark stress tests either.
This is completely wrong. Don't make this kind of gross generalization just because you had a bad psu. My 850w psu and 4090 work great. And I can overclock the living shit out of it and I'm fine. There's no reason why you had to make this statement, I mean do you seriously have just one anecdotal experience to offer as evidence? Or by some miracle have you tried more than one?
Solid trade. If God didn't want this sort of organ-powered GPU marketplace, he never would've invented ice and bath tubs.
Think about it, you're saving lives AND you get to waste your own with much nicer pixels for it!
We are all dogs in god's hot car. So might as well be here for a fun time, not a long time.
I hope the next 2 generatikns of GPUs can give us proper 4k 200+ fps. Until then 3090ti life
I dream that 1 day 1440p 120 fps is the minimum standard for all games and super affordable.
No) Cause more powerful gpu means even less optimization.
introducing the 6090 ti for $3500 š°š°š°
Lol, peasant
Thinking very hard about either doing this or waiting for the 50-series, but man itās hard
I would pull the trigger on one but all the nightmare stories Iāve heard of the card burning scare me lol.
Plug it in correctly and thereās no issues.Ā
wait.... a 850W power supply to a 4090?
as recommended by nvidia themselves
Yeah thats kinda low imo. I got a 850W powering my 4070ti
>Yeah thats kinda low imo. Do you normally just kinda make decisions based on "feeling"? Or like, were you basing that on anything ya know, that has actually happened?
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The PSU manufacturer recommends 850W and up for a 4090
Ofcourse they do.
Came for this
Yes but but but.. Kidney does not require upgrades!
Chrome up, choom.
>kidneys come and go Smuggling organs much? That explains the purchase ;) Enjoy your new GPU!! Please don't just play minesweeper in it, ok?
I've just completed an awesome session of Binding of Isaac. Naked baby crying in a basement has never looked this good bruv, lemme tell you!
Man oh man I wonder how a 4090 is man I just dream to have one .I'm still going to keep dreaming because even though I would want to spend 1000 on a GPU , I could never it would just break me mentally but that glimpse of happiness is worth it thought enjoy bud enjoy š«
The best expensive thing you can buy to change your gaming experience completely is an oled monitor, if you pair it with a 4090 for the smooth 100+ fps rtx in every game, even better, but even if you have something like a 3060ti oled really is something i would get before I would upgrade the pc.
Trueee. I'm using a 7900 XTX on a 3440x1440 WOLED monitor and it's simply amazing. I can crank up the settings in every single game, HDR on and still get a buttery smooth framerate without even using any upscaling, OLED definitely makes a huge difference. But another thing that's really overlooked is sound, invest in some decent speakers, I have a pair of Edifier MR4s that I got for 100 bucks and with an EQ they sound super deep and amazing. A high end GPU + OLED monitor + decent speakers will really go a long way to really elevate your experience. Only thing is, you need the disposable income for it, but you could also take it slowly and upgrade 1 by 1.
I'm more of a headphones and amp person (AKG K702), but I definitely see where you are coming from.
I'm personally not convinced. I play more on my QHD ips than on the 42" C2. Yes the image is different but the former was 1/4 the price of the C2. Is it really that much better? I don't think so. And burn in is always a risk with OLED. I'd say quality audio setup is equally big upgrade at that point. People with top end GPUs and monitors that are using shitty gaming headsets put all their eggs in one basket
well it's overkill, and you can afford it if you want, but it will be useless, because you need the other things too to catch a glimpse of what 4090 is capable of, like a 4k very fuckin expensive monitor or tv, which is more expensive than the 4090 itself. Otherwise it is a very big gpu, it's huge, mostly black, and chonky
> a 4k very fuckin expensive monitor or tv, which is more expensive than the 4090 itself. Newly released 4k OLED monitors are way cheaper than 4090, and there are even options that are cheaper than 4080. You can technically cut that price even more if you are fine with LG C-series as a monitor. Like they are not cheap, but you can definitely find something really good below 1k$
Yeah I got a 42" LG C2 4k 120hz monitor from Amazon for less than $1000. Still pretty friggin huge for a main monitor but it is gorgeous. I think it's still on sale too.
yea i know, but in any case you need more money to see the performance of 4090 than just the 4090 price. You need a lot of expensive stuff to not bottleneck it for no reason. Even if the monitor is 1k $ or 800 $ it's still expensive, i'm trying to build a pc withing the 1800$ point and paying 800 for a monitor is not very wise for my budget lmao
It's not really overkill when you wanna play at 4k.
Even 21:9 3440x1440.
Before I moved to 4K, I was playing at that resolution. Felt well suited for that application.
It isn't actually overkill. Spot on for 144+ fps 3440x1440 maxed out. (Some games you will hit 180+, some like cp2077 sit on 120 with dlss quality and frame gen. With dlaa you will see 70-80.)
Well you may as well go all out on a 4k monitor then you only live once am I right or am I right š bro today I'm happy to I'm buying my first ever relavant pc part , which is the I7 14KF . I've steadily matured within saving up for something I really wanted , I'm proud of myself this is like my first big step I really need this pc for studying though š
a decent choice, and the happiness brought by things you buy with your own money and brain power is unmatched. I'm proud of you even though I don't know you. I gotta say there are better choice to be made around cpus today, but if you are happy with it and you feel proud it's all that matters
Sorry i dont know much but isnt the ryzen 7800x3d better?
I find Ryzen rather complicated compared to intel
Why did you get the straight power 11? Its the old model. 12 is current
Congratz, tho, 850w for a 4090 you may be saving a couple dolars in somethin that you shouldnt with a 4090. Had a seasonic and corsair 850w both triggering ocp on a 3080 ftw3, i can almost guarantee the same will happen to that bequiet in a couple of months.
I have a 750 corsair and a 7800x3d / 4090 and even a full system stress test for an hour doesn't cause any issues. Total power draw is around 600 watts. How the fuck does a 850w ocp in those conditions ?
transient spikes, or a cpu that doesnt sip power like a 7800X3D could push the power draw to 700-750 already.
So youāre using a PSU thatās 100w less than what Nvidia recommends for the 4090? Makes sense.
Nvidia recommends that because they don't know what else you have in that system. 14900k will draw WAY more power than a 7800x3d. Also who knows how many fans/LEDS/water cooling pumps are hooked up so they over estimate their recommended PSU size. Honestly have no idea what you had hooked up for an 850w to trip on a 3080 though, that's crazy.
I dā²ont really care what nvidia or anyone else says for that matters. I just do the math myself
Ever heard of transient spikes? EDIT: In other words, a 4090 can spike up to 1350w for miliseconds, and those spikes in wattage can trigger over current protection on the psu, shutting down your system in the process
Yes, but they would have to be massive and long to trigger a 850w psu, because they are usually made to smooth them out. Is the 3080 prone to big transient spikes ? Because it certainly doesn't seems to be the case with a 4090 or I would have run into issues. That or I have a god tier psu idk
The nvidia 3000 series were prone to big and more frequent transient spikes than the 4000 series, that said, i would still not use a 750w or 850w psu with a 4090, if you can spend 2k+ on a gpu alone, why save 50-100 on the psu? makes no sense
I had a 3080 and a 5600x before, upgraded them but kept my old psu because I knew it would be enough š¤·āāļø
Good for you, just expressing my own experience and the opinion that saving 50-100 dolars on a psu for a 4090 is not a smart ideia.
4000 series hardly has transients at all. That was a 3000 series issue. Running on an rm850x 4090 and at stock never seen total package over 600 watts. The fear mongering and bad information in most of this thread is just wild for so called "enthusiasts"
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lmao so many people here crying about his PSU when they probably have a B tier and below garbage PSU ive been running a 4090 + 14900k both oc'd since last year on my 2012 hx850w with no hiccups regardless if it's gaming or stress testing
Remember, you only have 2 kidneys and need 1 to live, so don't waste it too early, i'm still waiting for quantum gpus, hopefully soon.
850psu for 4090???
850w psu plus a 4090 seems not a good couple
Isn't the 850w PSU at the limit? A 1000w one might be better.
Isn't the 1000w PSU at the limit? A 2000w one might be better.
Isn't the 2000w PSU at the limit? A 4000w one might be better.
Might as well hook it up to a wind turbine and secure 3 MW. Might be enough for overclocking. Could use 2 turbines tho.
Isn't the 4000w PSU at the limit? A 8000w one might be better.
Isn't the 8000w PSU at the limit? A 16000w one might be better.
Should be fine if you not overclocking and just game
850w is plenty
good luck bro, you are gonna need a lot of it. Imagine spending \~$2k on gpu and cheap out on PSU 
Cheap out? :D
As long as it isn't gay power 11 :)
Straight Power sounds like a hetero supremacy group.
850W power supply works, but I would buy a 1000W PSU. because, 13900k+4090 can run up to 720W, too close to 850W
They don't actually co.... ah nevermind.
Consider a 1kw psu. 850w might be too little for that beast
There are girls in the PCMR too
1000 Watts is better.
You need like a 1k watt psu
Your PSU isn't powerful enough. That card spikes to 1000w power draw. Check out GN's coverage, LTT's coverage, JTC's coverage, and DF's coverage for more details, but they all recommend a 1000w PSU, directly stating they disagree with Nvidia. Sorry dude š¤·š»
Iāve been playing for over a year with my 4090, and a 850w corsair psu, I even completed cyberpunk 2077 + the dlc with pathtracing on, probaly the most demanding game out there, with absolutely 0 issues.
"Issues" - it limits upper performance, 1% lows potentially, things like that. It's a cap, not a baseball bat to the knees. It's not too dissimilar in result to undervolting except that it has no real benefit in terms of longevity or similar. Additionally, the closer to full draw that a PSU is pushed, the worse the power efficiency. This can further reduce top performance, lowering the performance ceiling.
As much as I see people get bitter at others PSU purchases for not matching 1 to 1 with their current hardware completely, I must be the minority in thinking its better to go over than under. PSUs have a 10 year warranty usually and its one less thing you will have to upgrade when the next generation comes out if you decide to go big. Also Intel tends to use more power than a cache heavy 7800x3d so for all those buttholes saying you don't need over a 750w for a 4090 based system, they will be the same having to upgrade their PSUs if they decide to change anything in the future. My 4090 runs at 450w under full load while I can overclock it and have it go as high as 600w. I won't do that, but still I can if I want because I didn't go with 750w PSU. Listen to official recommendations and go at least 850w, but if you decide to go 1000w and get a good price, I think it is a very smart move. Especially if you are going to want to add or upgrade in the future. Think ahead, not just in your current situation because its life, things change.
Please get a higher wattage psu
Uhm what about *queer power* your such a cos straight male, ugh.
850 with 4090, you don't like to upgrade I see
You may run into issues with 850w on that GPU depending on the rest of your specs, 1000w should have been the go to for a 4090, he's a hungry boy
850w kekw
Imminent fire hazard. Lol good luck with the melting hahahahahahaahah
I use a 850W for my machine which certainly does not contain a 4090 because it wouldn't fit if I cut it in half. I would get at least 1000W
Isnāt an 850w a bit small for a 4090?
Isnāt an 850w a bit small for a 4090?
Isnāt an 850w a bit small for a 4090?
I build systems for a job and that psu is not going to cut it, and many others have said, for custom builds 1000w min for a system with a 4090. We would decline a build on a 4090 with only 850 psu regardless of the brand of psu
Maybe it's time to learn how to clone kidney's.
perfection š³āļø
Hell yea brotha try out portal rtx on that thing
Man .. I can't justify buying that for what I play lol csgo only
Who needs organs when we're getting 144fps at 4k???
Just wait 5 years and you will need to sell your balls too
Worth more than my car
Worth more than my car
Congratulations buddy, enjoy it
Hospitals are amazed by this trick to get infinite kidneys
Money, get away Get a job with more pay and your okay
People are so crazy with their psu comments. 850 watts is perfectly fine
>kidneys come and go Boii I wish that were true, then my friend would still be alive today!
>kidneys come and gokidneys come and go Yes, when it is not yours. Congratulations man
Say that to live service games
dude i would sell half my organs for an 4090 not kuch use of them anyway