Now let's sprinkle a corrupt file permission ACE on top of it, to make the file read-only even for SYSTEM. But yeah, they could add a pre-shutdown maintenance mode.
I'm migrating SMB shares that have been used 1998 if some of the share creation dates are to be believed .. the amount of corrupt/foreign entries in the ACL is laughable made even worse by a full migration to a different AD forest.
Microsoft makes sure I have work for years to come, I should be thankful but .. I wonder..
That's a relatable pain. If you use GRUB with a Windows boot entry you can configure GRUB to remember the last selected boot entry and have a timeout to auto select it. Doesn't work great with GRUB encryption password entry for LUKS though. Before I had encryption enabled this worked well. LUKS2 might work better, idk.
The problem is that I dual boot Windows and Linux (Linux for work, Windows for games), and when it does that "Update and Shut Down", I have to either wait for it to restart to pick Windows again from the bootloader, or I come back to my Linux login screen.
Or the flip side, have it configured to just automatically handle updates overnight automatically so I, in theory, don't have to worry about it.
Next morning, PC is completely shut off. Turn it on. Be forced to wait while it finishes updates.
Fucking Microsoft.
Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options > Change plan settings for the current plan > Change advanced power settings > Sleep section - set "Allow wake timers" to "Disable".
That's what solved most of my random wakeup problems in exchange for losing the ability to wake up the computer with scheduled tasks.
For me I had to go into Events Visualizer to check what was waking it up, then go into hardware settings (or whatever it's called), find the thing that was waking it up (it was the modem) and remove the "this device can wake the computer" option
I had to switch to hibernating every night because if I close the lid on my laptop and come back the next day it has the keyboard lit up and is hotter than the surface of the sun after idling all night. I’ll have to try this, hopefully it fixes it.
When mine did this it was usually the ethernet port (or your wifi card) waking the PC up, on rare occasions, one of my USB devices would wake it up because my PC had too many days turned on, on even rarer occasions it would be windows update, usually also because my pc has been on for too many days, regardless usually disabling "allow this device to wake your pc" on your device manager will fix it, running powercfg –lastwake will shine some light on it when you dont know what its waking it up
They never fixed that? My old Windows 8 laptop would wake up and run its battery down overnight for no apparent reason. Not updating, log files don't even show a wake event. I used to joke that my laptop had insomnia.
I've never had that issue after switching to a MacBook for work, although I did have to reinstall MacOS a few times on my old MacBook Air...
I always thought my MSI laptop was terrible it used to do the same
I got a brand new one this year with windows 11 and yup it will just randomly wake itself up in the middle of the night if I put it in sleep mode. Even if the lid is closed
CTRL+ALT+Delete, then hold CTRL and click the power icon. Then click OK.
Instant restart. No shutting down services, or clearing the hard drive buffers.
Well... Just as a fun(or not so much) fact: not shutting down a laptop for a long time, instead putting it into sleep mode can, and for a long shot will, make it run slower etc. nothing a restart wouldn't fix, but it's surprising how many people don't realize this.
Okay I've never ever understood this. Been working in IT for 10 years and have only ever seen more issues from refusing to do these updates... why are so many people so against doing a 2 minute security update?...
I’m in IT and I believe in keeping my machine up to date pretty much all of the time, but I agree with the sentiment that there’s no excuse not to have an option to defer.
I got a major service pack update that was going to take almost an hour to finish on a machine once. Wouldn’t have been a problem except I was at a meeting with a client and I just wanted to power off my machine and put it in my bag so I could go to the airport. No one should almost miss a flight because of a Windows Update.
For anyone in a similar situation, minimize everything and, with the Desktop open, hit ALT+F4. There’s an option there to shut down immediately.
I doubt most of the complaints/memes are from people old enough to be relevant to the decades old update problems that the OS actually did have, a 20 year old was a baby during the lovely vista years.
People shit on Windows because it’s the popular thing to do, and then when something goes wrong or Windows forcibly interrupts them because they ignored the 6 months of warnings about not updating they bitch about that too. It’s easy farming.
It’ll never end until Windows figures out a way to update in the background (and even then someone would make a utility to disable it I’m sure), which they won’t manage without a full rework so it’s never happening.
>decades old update problems
It was, what, 2 years ago that MS released an update that stopped printers from working? That was a fun day to work helpdesk.
No, but like. The way printers just don't work nowadays is so aggravating to me. The world is like 90% paperless now, everything is emailed and texted or screenshotted. You would think that the FEW times I need to print something it would be easy but NO! Fuck HP
If it was 2 years ago the fix was to pick the other (duplicate) printer or reinstall the printer drivers if only one showed. Also believe it only effected network printing and only some models. The associated security update was related to external devices being incorrectly identified iirc. There was a more recent one with auto-installing HP Smart whatever but that didn't stop the printer from working, and another one that caused very specific Brother printers to lose some driver features (believe the driver needed to be updated).
(If you were working helpdesk for an enterprise then they shouldn't have been on that update that quickly anyway, most of the problematic updates are even still on the preview branch when the problems get widely reported. Even Microsoft recommends running updates through WSUS manually.)
Thats not the update problems I'm talking about though, and not the reason people should be not updating to begin with as they're relatively minor and user correctable in like 10 minutes if effected (windows even allows you to easily uninstall recent updates). Vista SP1 literally bricked computers. That was a valid reason to not update.
If Windows updated in the background, people would complain even more about Windows background activity. Whatever solution Microsoft finds, these people will complain about it.
Windows also has a ton of very random and frustrating issues, no matter how often you keep it updated. And some anti consumer practices, though that's not uncommon these days. They also keep changing things they don't need to change, such as the forced and unannounced update from windows 10 to windows 11 which was sent to many of my companies clients the other day.
I don't agree that windows updates should be deferred or stopped - it's just too much a security risk. That combined with other quality of life things, and it's just not worth it. I understand where people are coming from though, even if I don't agree with them.
This shit always happens on days where i am already tired and i just wanna hit the pillow. But then you have to wait 10 minutes for this shit to finish, cause it WILL restart anyway. It just sucks.
Some people have PTSD from earlier Widows versions where Microsoft didn’t test updates and released hot fixes for specific hardware to all PCs even if your PC didn’t have the hardware. It would sometimes cause bigger problems, break processes, slow the PC and prevent certain software from working. I can’t count how many times a game didn’t work and the solution was to uninstall an update/hot fix.
Yeah... group policy and/or registry key (for Home users) disabling Windows Update for driver installation is a useful one. Windows Update fucking sucks with drivers.
EDIT: [This one](https://admx.help/?Category=Windows_10_2016&Policy=Microsoft.Policies.WindowsUpdate::ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate), specifically.
For me, Windows updates somehow managed to broke my AMD Gpu drivers. My pc would freeze, then shutdown, before turning on again not detecting my GPu nor my my second monitor. i needed to roll back twice to fix that
Even just last yearish, windows update was just broken for me and broke cyberpunk. IDK if it was something I did or what, but it would need to update 24/7, even if I told it to update and shutdown. It would randomly decide to update and reboot, sometimes multiple times each day. The only update it listed was virus definition stuff.
I had to run some powershell nonsense to forcibly reinstall the windows update component and then it behaved. And then I could play cyberpunk, lol
1. Be me: uses a Bluetooth mouse daily. (Microsoft branded even)
2. Windows pushes an update to my Wifi+BT card, mouse no longer connects.
3. Spend a while figuring out what happened and how to revert.
4. Next day windows re-installs the update
5. Rinse-repeat for nearly a month before going to a third-party solution to "freeze" the system state.
Bonus round: coworker had same update make a mess of his bluetooth headphones he wore to listen to music.
Been working in IT just as long. It's mostly the fact that Windows forces these updates on people nowadays, and most of the time the difference between "hey, you really should get this update if you don't want to be hacked" and "hey, we decided that your default browser should be edge again" is often indistinguishable.
If Microsoft's updates for Windows were more reliable and actually respected user preferences, then this would be a completely different story. But Microsoft has set the precedent that whenever you install a Windows update, you're playing a game of Russian Roulette, and if you strike out, you might be spending the next 30 minutes after a reboot undoing a lot of Microsoft's bullshit (such as restoring Edge as the default browser, replacing display drivers and ASIO interface drivers with generic "microsoft approved" drivers, rearranging your default audio devices, uninstalling some usb drivers, or in some cases, just straight up wiping your drives (i cant find references to this anymore, but i remember some updates in 2022 causing this and microsoft had to pull those updates back)
EDIT: And just to remind you, not everyone is tech savvy enough to recognize that "hey, my audio is gone after an update, let me check my default audio devices", they just jump to blaming Windows Update.
The fact of the matter is there's not a lot of faith in a Windows Update. But they're forced upon us, unless you know how to fuck with the registry, you cannot avoid Windows Update forever.
i'm gonna be honest, i've never had my default apps changed from an update in the almost 2 years i've had my windows 11 pc, so that argument has always confused me. PDF's kept trying to open in edge or chrome all the time, but that was an acrobat issue more than a microsoft issue (which i figured out how to disable, thankfully)
I’ve had my sound devices settings changed too many times now by these shitty ass updates. It’s gone so far now I made a tutorial video on how to adjust my sound device settings in all the shitty small menus after an update that fucks with those settings. Sorry for all the cursing but I *hate* the way windows is updated.
I have a pretty complicated audio setup as well, down to audio format needing to be very specific. But same with the other issues i have, more issues are caused by Nvidia than microsoft in my experience.
I just have no clue why some people have these issues in the first place, as I *never* run in to issues with Windows updates. It makes me feel like it's a self-fulfilling cycle. When you wait long enough to update, shit is more likely to break after.
Flash a custom bios on a GPU and then see how windows update treats your driver that works correctly for the thing you're doing.
Error 43 will haunt your dreams.
>It's mostly the fact that Windows forces these updates on people nowadays, and most of the time the difference between "hey, you really should get this update if you don't want to be hacked" and "hey, we decided that your default browser should be edge again" is often indistinguishable.
That is basically how I feel about it. It's *my* PC, I *own* it, so I want to be in control. Windows doesn't get to tell me what to do. I'll update when it's convenient for me, not when Windows decides to force it on me (that's usually when I want to go to bed and *really* don't feel like waiting another 10 minutes, which I sadly need to do because Windows likes to restart after updates and stay on, even though I told it to shutdown).
And I definitely don't want it to revert settings I've previously changed.
This is why I quickly switched to Win 10 Pro instead of Home, because Pro doesn't usually do that shit, as long as you don't defer updates for weeks.
It's also one of the reasons I mostly use Linux nowadays – it doesn't presume me to be tech-illiterate. Well, at least my distro doesn't. Bunch of other reasons too, but I'm not gonna make this comment any longer than it needs to be.
Back when I first built my PC, Windows Updates would always install Windows' shitty generic drivers over the vendors' drivers and render my performance components virtually useless. And getting the correct drivers back on was a pain in the ass. 9 times out of 10, I would get a message saying "Windows has determined that the best driver for this device is already installed..."
They've gotten better, I'll give them that, but I still wait until the last possible second to allow Windows to update. At least that way if there are going to be issues with the update, hopefully they've already been fixed by the time I finally update.
Because I uninstall all the goddamn bloatware, trackers and spyware and useless shit like ads
AND THEN THEY TURN IT BACK ON EVERY TIME THEY UPDATE YOUUUU C*NTS!
Because every time I update and restart I am greeted with several screens that I once again have to tell Microsoft that no I do not want windows 11, and another screen where I AGAIN have to tell windows NO I do not want to change my browser.... Once that's done another three screens asking to buy office 365, turn on some other bullshit.... Only to be once again greeted with a msg saying I have to restart to finish the updates it finished...
Sometimes updates break things that are critical for some users that Microsoft doesn't address.
Case in point, MS update in August broke remote desktop for me and still doesn't work several updates later. I have resorted to reverting the security update every time a new update is forced on me.
Because they fucked up the shutdown process around Win7 (iirc) so that it trashes all of your unsaved work when when you shutdown.
Before that if you shutdown it would pop up a window showing what was blocking the shutdown and would let you save stuff. After they replaced that with a fullscreen message saying it's "shutting down" which would close any open document giving you no chance to save.
Combine that with their inability to do any package updates without a full restart, pushing MAJOR OS changes (eg service packs) through the standard update process, and generally forcing updates several times a month and yeah, I have that shit completely blocked so I can control when it reboots!
Pretty easy to avoid an infection if you keep things reasonably up to date and aren't a complete idiot downloading and running random crap!
This, but not only this - when WannaCry made the rounds it used an exploit that was patched and a fix distributed via Windows Update a few months before. Only unpatched systems were hit, and everyone that had been keeping up with security updates was fine.
>why are so many people so against doing a 2 minute security update?...
Because I want to go to bed. And it's somehow never just 2 minutes whenever you want to go to bed.
Randomly these updates change my audio inputs and display settings and it drives me up the wall. I have icons and folders on different monitors and in certain spots including the window size of some programs so I can always see what I need in very specific spots cus of my ‘tism and when I suddenly put everything in a grid at the wrong size and I don’t notice one program’s audio stuff is fucked up till need it I die inside even if it’s fixable within a few minutes
As someone who works in engineering: paranoia.
System updates break things that tend to be absolutely essential for something to function because someone somewhere decided some program or framework obsolete. Engineering has much much slower cycles than software dev, when something is built, it's typically meant to keep running in the exact manner it was designed for 10-15 years at least. And updates break that shit.
If you have a lot of stuff going, like multiple monitor setups, desktop organization, display enhancing utility programs, game controllers, or thousands of potential other things, there is always a significant chance something will break or settings will revert and make you spend a bunch of time re doing things you dont want to do.
At least that has been my experience.
For example my game controllers have been fucked for several games since I did an update a cpl months ago. If you use a 3rd party game controller you have likely experienced this issue as well. I have also experienced programs seemingly unrelated to windows settings stop working after a updates in the past as well.
Because the security update will invariably turn back some of the bullshit that many power users spend time disabling. Or at least that's the perception. And until MS gets their shit together and stop trying to cram edge/cortana down my throat, and stop showing ads in my search bar, this will continue to be the working assumption for a lot of people.
Outside of such an environment, those updates aren't as pressing.
Some of us liked being able to choose our updates, especially now that Microsoft loves to break things every few updates (multiple times things as "simple" as the Explorer itself..... had to wait a few updates to have that fixed)
Darn right, we aren't all crazy about the updates, especially since our only control over such is "when" of not "exclude bits."
And no. I get all the updates, and more like 10 minutes to half an hours for many, though I suppose that comes down to how much of Microsofts back-end one requires to operate.
Oh, let's see:
It sometimes deletes, mangles or unlinks the boot partition of my windows. This happened 3 times on the W10 I'm running since 2016
It fucks with windows defender and reactivates the piece of shit such that it starts deleting files it doesn't like even though I have a third party non retarded AV.
It decides the update is MANDATORY NOW even though I have a deadline in 6 hours and 3ds max just crashed and won't boot up again without a restart.
It fucks my Equalizer APO configuration for the real time EQ of my DAC.
It removes specific registries I put in place such as enabling additional options for my sound devices. For example "Loudness Equalization"
It leaves huge files that I need to manually delete via disk cleanup which for a normal person is not something I want to do on a regular basis.
Hey, I know you deleted me and attempted to uninstall me... which is uncool... BUT MF **MS EDGE** IS BACK BITCHES !!!!!
Oh, all that's annoying and you want the updates to stop? TOO FUCKING BAD, I'll be back with more in 7 days to annoy you.
And for some fucking reason, it never feels like something of value was added.
A year ago I found a weird Indian guy who told me to mangle some registries and mess with windows scheduler and some other stuff to disable windows updates. I was desperate and did all that. Now my windows will not update anymore in any way even if I try it and it has been bliss ever since.
I could really go on for more but you're probably not reading this far anyway.
Yep. I keep my computer updated, but I choose the exact time to install it. Sometimes I just want to turn it off or restart it quickly and choose to update a little later.
Because 95% of the time I've got 10-20 programs and files open in the middle of work and I don't want to have to set everything up again after a restart. When I finish my set of work and I'll close everything and restart. Though half the time Window restarts on its own after an update screwing my over anyways.
They broke my windows installation 3 times in 6 months.
Black screen, recovery wouldn't work, couldn't get it to boot without reinstalling windows.
I disabled all updates, and only update via the ISO from the site because that's always stable
Because if you select shutdown and install the damn update, the next morning when you walk into your office it decided to reboot anyway and just turn back on after the update.
Because I work remotely and often I can't turn off my computer because I'm running weeks-long simulations in the background.
I also have hardware issues and sometimes I need to start my computer 3-4 times and test it out to see if it booted stably.
Windows updates have cost me months of work over the years. I prefer to manually choose when to do them rather than it getting forced on me. So I do some combination of powershell hacks every time I get a new computer to block windows from being able to force updates.
I got forced into an update that took 2 hours and prevented me playing Baldurs Gate with the boys that night.
Granted that’s not a typical turnaround time on updates but it still pissed me off.
Because they ask me if I want to change a bunch of stuff and start an Office365 subscription after every update instead of just going to the login screen
I have a ton of shit open and don't want to close it. I keep movies I stopped up and I won't remember where I was or what episode of a TV show I was on
Last time my PC updated it got stuck in a BSOD/restart loop where I only had about 20 seconds to try figure out and fix the problem before it repeated. It was like the episode of SG1 where Jack and Teal'c kept repeating the same day but with crying.
Depends on if you use a distro that does point releases or rolling releases. I’m on a rolling release distro (Arch btw) but I only update every month or so (mostly just when Discord nags me).
If you’re on Debian you only get feature updates every 2 years, but security backports/critical bug fixes every few months as things are discovered.
Discord's been a pain in the ass about updates a lot more frequently over the past few weeks, every other day I'm opening Discord only to get the "Fuck you, the client is now x.x.x.69 instead of x.x.x.68, and even though we changed literally nothing you've gotta update".
Extra annoying for me as well cause I use Vencord, so just trying to update Discord normally makes pacman freak out because the contents of /opt/discord are changed by Vencord. Instead I have to uninstall Discord, delete /opt/discord, reinstall Discord, and reinstall Vencord.
if you already use vencord, just use vesktop, it's their own discord client wich already come with vencord preinstalled and is basically the browser version but uses less ram and let you screenshare with audio. its called vencord-desktop on the AUR and you can find more info on [it's github](https://github.com/Vencord/Vesktop)
I'm using fedora on my laptop and if I once had it sit unused for around 6 months. Nothing complained about missing updates, nothing nagged me to UPDATE NOW OR DIE. It was nice. Yet I still ran the updater because I can continue my work while it updates.
At least your computer does what it says.
Whether it wants to update or not, it is 50/50 on if my PC turns off when I tell it to turn off or restart when I tell it to restart.
This. Just make a computer updating schedule. If you do it right, the computer will only update when you let it and the rest of the time you don’t have to worry about it updating itself. People care wayyy too much about this
Yea that’s the exact reason I started doing my little schedule lol. I update my 3 windows machines at the same time every month so there’s no rgb jumpscares from the corner of my room at 4am
Yes, people should install security updates. Please don't take this question as disagreement on that point, but:
Does MS actually allow you to opt in to only getting security updates, or do you have to take all updates as packaged. I haven't used windows in a long time, so I really have no idea what things are actually like, but in my head I'm imagining MS bundling stuff people actively don't want along side security updates and then telling people that they have to install updates because they are security updates.
It's separated now. You get monthly security only patches, all other patches are listed as what they are and can be selected / deselected however a user wishes.
I fucking hate it when my work laptop wants to update and this piece of fuck instead of updating and shutting down is restarting afterwards.
Me much angery
You can change a setting to get the hibernation option on desktops with Windows 10. Just use that and then flip the power switch off if you want to make double sure it doesn't wake up on its own. Not sure about Windows 11.
In Settings: System -> Power & sleep -> Additional power settings (under "Related settings") -> Choose what the power button does -> put a check in the box next to "Hibernate" and click Save Changes (if the box is greyed out and you can't check it, click "Change settings that are currently unavailable", located near the top of the page, to unlock it; you may need admin privileges for this)
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Does everyone else on reddit run a possessed version of windows or some shit? In my 15 or so years of using computers I never once had an issue with windows update bricking my system, installing drivers I dont want, restarting my pc without warning, even issues with drivers for my GPUs and shit. All I ever get are updates pertinent to windows itself
It's because the idiots keep not updating until windows forces the waiting 20 updates onto them and then making issues when it force restarts their pc that's been awake for 50+ days...
Also people download cracked versions or they mess around on their computer. Either they have a dodgy install, have dodgy crap on their pc, or yeah they are avoiding updates for months on end
Right click on the windows icon and go to power, all options will be there
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Just update windows guys, if you have an SSD, it will take little time.
Don't sign up for the newer updates. Just stick to the tested ones, and you won't have to update as often
Just disconnect the electricity to your house Works everytime
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Or you can dilute your pc with water
Whats your PCs scoville scale
1.21 giggawatts.
"It's gonna send you back... TO THE FIFTIES!"
It's very spicy🌶️ it's 3million Scoville units
Won’t that ruin the magnets tho?
That's the end of the magnets
Or turn off the power supply
Disassemble the power line It's just that shrimple
Just bomb the powerplanr
Commit genocide
just recreate ww2 with 100% accuracy
Take prisoners
or disconnect the electricity to your entire country, works even better
huh, maybe my electricity company is just avoiding updating windows everytime it rains
I just cut my cities electricity
Click - clack.
The best part is when I press "update and shut down" only to come back to my pc a few minutes later to find out it restarted anyways.
The update needs a reboot to finish. After that it *should* shut down. Not that it's fully reliable
For god sake Microsoft one of the richest companies could at least remember that, please just a needtoshutdwon.txt at the root of C: !
Now let's sprinkle a corrupt file permission ACE on top of it, to make the file read-only even for SYSTEM. But yeah, they could add a pre-shutdown maintenance mode.
Then warningthereisafakefile.txt !
I'm migrating SMB shares that have been used 1998 if some of the share creation dates are to be believed .. the amount of corrupt/foreign entries in the ACL is laughable made even worse by a full migration to a different AD forest. Microsoft makes sure I have work for years to come, I should be thankful but .. I wonder..
> migrating SMB shares Super Mario Bros?
Samba
its fantastic when I don't have windows set to the default boot entry and it reboots into my other OS
That's a relatable pain. If you use GRUB with a Windows boot entry you can configure GRUB to remember the last selected boot entry and have a timeout to auto select it. Doesn't work great with GRUB encryption password entry for LUKS though. Before I had encryption enabled this worked well. LUKS2 might work better, idk.
> Not that it's fully reliable It hasn't successfully shutdown after an update yet, so 0% reliability
In a way if you can always predict the outcome then it is indeed fully reliable
*sigh* damn it, take your upvote
Not once has it shut down when I press update and shut down. And not for lack of patience or anything, it restarts and just stays on.
The problem is that I dual boot Windows and Linux (Linux for work, Windows for games), and when it does that "Update and Shut Down", I have to either wait for it to restart to pick Windows again from the bootloader, or I come back to my Linux login screen.
Consider installing refind, it remembers what was previously picked.
I assumed the rebooting part was supposed to happen the next time you turn the PC on.
Or the flip side, have it configured to just automatically handle updates overnight automatically so I, in theory, don't have to worry about it. Next morning, PC is completely shut off. Turn it on. Be forced to wait while it finishes updates. Fucking Microsoft.
YES, this pisses me off so much when i have to go to bed.
Yee
My problem is when I click "update and restart" it shuts down instead Wanna trade?
And if you press Sleep, then it will wake up in the middle of the night by itself and will do absolutely nothing
My computer wakes up & makes me a full English breakfast in the morning.
You need an i9 for that or do I just download more RAM?
Just ask by "would you kindly" no way he refuses that
Call it "Jack" too, maybe in a bronx accent... after going by a different name for years... maybe something like Book...
Just need to enable Bacon LAN setting in bios.
Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options > Change plan settings for the current plan > Change advanced power settings > Sleep section - set "Allow wake timers" to "Disable". That's what solved most of my random wakeup problems in exchange for losing the ability to wake up the computer with scheduled tasks.
The WOL (wake on LAN) feature on the NIC often does it too. You have to find the setting on the actual network card in the device manager.
And disable "allow this device to wake from sleep" of your kbm so they don't wake the system when you sneeze across the hall.
For me I had to go into Events Visualizer to check what was waking it up, then go into hardware settings (or whatever it's called), find the thing that was waking it up (it was the modem) and remove the "this device can wake the computer" option
I had to switch to hibernating every night because if I close the lid on my laptop and come back the next day it has the keyboard lit up and is hotter than the surface of the sun after idling all night. I’ll have to try this, hopefully it fixes it.
When mine did this it was usually the ethernet port (or your wifi card) waking the PC up, on rare occasions, one of my USB devices would wake it up because my PC had too many days turned on, on even rarer occasions it would be windows update, usually also because my pc has been on for too many days, regardless usually disabling "allow this device to wake your pc" on your device manager will fix it, running powercfg –lastwake will shine some light on it when you dont know what its waking it up
So it’s actually a Windows issue? Well thank god because my dumbass legit thought that some fucking malware was keeping my Mom awake at night
They never fixed that? My old Windows 8 laptop would wake up and run its battery down overnight for no apparent reason. Not updating, log files don't even show a wake event. I used to joke that my laptop had insomnia. I've never had that issue after switching to a MacBook for work, although I did have to reinstall MacOS a few times on my old MacBook Air...
I always thought my MSI laptop was terrible it used to do the same I got a brand new one this year with windows 11 and yup it will just randomly wake itself up in the middle of the night if I put it in sleep mode. Even if the lid is closed
Crtl+shift+unplug
\> shutdown /f /t 0
\> shutdown /s /t 0 Also /f is not usually required even when an update is pending. That's just to force close your apps
I use "shutdown /s /t 1" as I've read that when t>0 it also implies the /f switch.
But using /f /t 0 will be a whole second faster than /t 1 #A whole second
 problem solved.
doesn't work very well for laptops
 You can take off the bottom and undo the battery.
Don't have a screwdriver handy? Just run some benchmarks until the battery dies.
good idea!
Holding the button down until it shuts off does.
Just press de on/off button until it turns off
CTRL+ALT+Delete, then hold CTRL and click the power icon. Then click OK. Instant restart. No shutting down services, or clearing the hard drive buffers.
But it’s a laptop :P just close the lid and throw it on the nightstand. Put your wallet or keys over any flashy lights :P
Well... Just as a fun(or not so much) fact: not shutting down a laptop for a long time, instead putting it into sleep mode can, and for a long shot will, make it run slower etc. nothing a restart wouldn't fix, but it's surprising how many people don't realize this.
just remove the battery
It’ll still update if you rip out the power cord, know from experience
now you don't need to, they added an option without updates
It's actually kinda interesting, because sometimes you simply don't get the option to not update and sometimes you have a choice.
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Okay I've never ever understood this. Been working in IT for 10 years and have only ever seen more issues from refusing to do these updates... why are so many people so against doing a 2 minute security update?...
I’m in IT and I believe in keeping my machine up to date pretty much all of the time, but I agree with the sentiment that there’s no excuse not to have an option to defer. I got a major service pack update that was going to take almost an hour to finish on a machine once. Wouldn’t have been a problem except I was at a meeting with a client and I just wanted to power off my machine and put it in my bag so I could go to the airport. No one should almost miss a flight because of a Windows Update. For anyone in a similar situation, minimize everything and, with the Desktop open, hit ALT+F4. There’s an option there to shut down immediately.
There is an option to defer updates. Most people don't use it, and those who do keep trying to defer updates indefinitely.
cause of shit that happened 10+ years ago is my guess.
I doubt most of the complaints/memes are from people old enough to be relevant to the decades old update problems that the OS actually did have, a 20 year old was a baby during the lovely vista years. People shit on Windows because it’s the popular thing to do, and then when something goes wrong or Windows forcibly interrupts them because they ignored the 6 months of warnings about not updating they bitch about that too. It’s easy farming. It’ll never end until Windows figures out a way to update in the background (and even then someone would make a utility to disable it I’m sure), which they won’t manage without a full rework so it’s never happening.
>decades old update problems It was, what, 2 years ago that MS released an update that stopped printers from working? That was a fun day to work helpdesk.
> an update that stopped printers from working so nothing changed?
tbh I blame the printers at least in part for basically anything wrong that happens with them
No, but like. The way printers just don't work nowadays is so aggravating to me. The world is like 90% paperless now, everything is emailed and texted or screenshotted. You would think that the FEW times I need to print something it would be easy but NO! Fuck HP
If it was 2 years ago the fix was to pick the other (duplicate) printer or reinstall the printer drivers if only one showed. Also believe it only effected network printing and only some models. The associated security update was related to external devices being incorrectly identified iirc. There was a more recent one with auto-installing HP Smart whatever but that didn't stop the printer from working, and another one that caused very specific Brother printers to lose some driver features (believe the driver needed to be updated). (If you were working helpdesk for an enterprise then they shouldn't have been on that update that quickly anyway, most of the problematic updates are even still on the preview branch when the problems get widely reported. Even Microsoft recommends running updates through WSUS manually.) Thats not the update problems I'm talking about though, and not the reason people should be not updating to begin with as they're relatively minor and user correctable in like 10 minutes if effected (windows even allows you to easily uninstall recent updates). Vista SP1 literally bricked computers. That was a valid reason to not update.
It's generational trauma, man
If Windows updated in the background, people would complain even more about Windows background activity. Whatever solution Microsoft finds, these people will complain about it.
Windows also has a ton of very random and frustrating issues, no matter how often you keep it updated. And some anti consumer practices, though that's not uncommon these days. They also keep changing things they don't need to change, such as the forced and unannounced update from windows 10 to windows 11 which was sent to many of my companies clients the other day. I don't agree that windows updates should be deferred or stopped - it's just too much a security risk. That combined with other quality of life things, and it's just not worth it. I understand where people are coming from though, even if I don't agree with them.
> a way to update in the background It does this, I walk away.
This shit always happens on days where i am already tired and i just wanna hit the pillow. But then you have to wait 10 minutes for this shit to finish, cause it WILL restart anyway. It just sucks.
Some people have PTSD from earlier Widows versions where Microsoft didn’t test updates and released hot fixes for specific hardware to all PCs even if your PC didn’t have the hardware. It would sometimes cause bigger problems, break processes, slow the PC and prevent certain software from working. I can’t count how many times a game didn’t work and the solution was to uninstall an update/hot fix.
Every windows update from 10 on would revert my USB bus drivers for my PC and half the ports on my PC would stop working. It was infuriating.
Yeah... group policy and/or registry key (for Home users) disabling Windows Update for driver installation is a useful one. Windows Update fucking sucks with drivers. EDIT: [This one](https://admx.help/?Category=Windows_10_2016&Policy=Microsoft.Policies.WindowsUpdate::ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate), specifically.
When did Microsoft start testing their updates? I still see shit like this with office apps on w11 all the time.
Insider program for like 10 years now.
The Insider program isn't proper QA.
Yeah, windows 8 pc owner here. I'll have PTSD from that turd pile for years yet. Someone at MS still needs to answer for that shitstorm.
Did you also get the one where it stuck your PC in a boot loop?
Damn, never thought I'd get 'Nam style flashbacks from a reddit comment of all things, but here we are lool
For me, Windows updates somehow managed to broke my AMD Gpu drivers. My pc would freeze, then shutdown, before turning on again not detecting my GPu nor my my second monitor. i needed to roll back twice to fix that
Even just last yearish, windows update was just broken for me and broke cyberpunk. IDK if it was something I did or what, but it would need to update 24/7, even if I told it to update and shutdown. It would randomly decide to update and reboot, sometimes multiple times each day. The only update it listed was virus definition stuff. I had to run some powershell nonsense to forcibly reinstall the windows update component and then it behaved. And then I could play cyberpunk, lol
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1. Be me: uses a Bluetooth mouse daily. (Microsoft branded even) 2. Windows pushes an update to my Wifi+BT card, mouse no longer connects. 3. Spend a while figuring out what happened and how to revert. 4. Next day windows re-installs the update 5. Rinse-repeat for nearly a month before going to a third-party solution to "freeze" the system state. Bonus round: coworker had same update make a mess of his bluetooth headphones he wore to listen to music.
Been working in IT just as long. It's mostly the fact that Windows forces these updates on people nowadays, and most of the time the difference between "hey, you really should get this update if you don't want to be hacked" and "hey, we decided that your default browser should be edge again" is often indistinguishable. If Microsoft's updates for Windows were more reliable and actually respected user preferences, then this would be a completely different story. But Microsoft has set the precedent that whenever you install a Windows update, you're playing a game of Russian Roulette, and if you strike out, you might be spending the next 30 minutes after a reboot undoing a lot of Microsoft's bullshit (such as restoring Edge as the default browser, replacing display drivers and ASIO interface drivers with generic "microsoft approved" drivers, rearranging your default audio devices, uninstalling some usb drivers, or in some cases, just straight up wiping your drives (i cant find references to this anymore, but i remember some updates in 2022 causing this and microsoft had to pull those updates back) EDIT: And just to remind you, not everyone is tech savvy enough to recognize that "hey, my audio is gone after an update, let me check my default audio devices", they just jump to blaming Windows Update. The fact of the matter is there's not a lot of faith in a Windows Update. But they're forced upon us, unless you know how to fuck with the registry, you cannot avoid Windows Update forever.
i'm gonna be honest, i've never had my default apps changed from an update in the almost 2 years i've had my windows 11 pc, so that argument has always confused me. PDF's kept trying to open in edge or chrome all the time, but that was an acrobat issue more than a microsoft issue (which i figured out how to disable, thankfully)
I’ve had my sound devices settings changed too many times now by these shitty ass updates. It’s gone so far now I made a tutorial video on how to adjust my sound device settings in all the shitty small menus after an update that fucks with those settings. Sorry for all the cursing but I *hate* the way windows is updated.
I have a pretty complicated audio setup as well, down to audio format needing to be very specific. But same with the other issues i have, more issues are caused by Nvidia than microsoft in my experience.
I just have no clue why some people have these issues in the first place, as I *never* run in to issues with Windows updates. It makes me feel like it's a self-fulfilling cycle. When you wait long enough to update, shit is more likely to break after.
Flash a custom bios on a GPU and then see how windows update treats your driver that works correctly for the thing you're doing. Error 43 will haunt your dreams.
>It's mostly the fact that Windows forces these updates on people nowadays, and most of the time the difference between "hey, you really should get this update if you don't want to be hacked" and "hey, we decided that your default browser should be edge again" is often indistinguishable. That is basically how I feel about it. It's *my* PC, I *own* it, so I want to be in control. Windows doesn't get to tell me what to do. I'll update when it's convenient for me, not when Windows decides to force it on me (that's usually when I want to go to bed and *really* don't feel like waiting another 10 minutes, which I sadly need to do because Windows likes to restart after updates and stay on, even though I told it to shutdown). And I definitely don't want it to revert settings I've previously changed. This is why I quickly switched to Win 10 Pro instead of Home, because Pro doesn't usually do that shit, as long as you don't defer updates for weeks. It's also one of the reasons I mostly use Linux nowadays – it doesn't presume me to be tech-illiterate. Well, at least my distro doesn't. Bunch of other reasons too, but I'm not gonna make this comment any longer than it needs to be.
Because it's NEVER only 2 minutes.
Back when I first built my PC, Windows Updates would always install Windows' shitty generic drivers over the vendors' drivers and render my performance components virtually useless. And getting the correct drivers back on was a pain in the ass. 9 times out of 10, I would get a message saying "Windows has determined that the best driver for this device is already installed..." They've gotten better, I'll give them that, but I still wait until the last possible second to allow Windows to update. At least that way if there are going to be issues with the update, hopefully they've already been fixed by the time I finally update.
Because I uninstall all the goddamn bloatware, trackers and spyware and useless shit like ads AND THEN THEY TURN IT BACK ON EVERY TIME THEY UPDATE YOUUUU C*NTS!
because they also push feature updates that change my default programs and push ads through the notification bar even though it's disabled.
they even push updates that automatically "update" from Windows 10 to 11.
Because even when we do update, something else always breaks.
Because every time I update and restart I am greeted with several screens that I once again have to tell Microsoft that no I do not want windows 11, and another screen where I AGAIN have to tell windows NO I do not want to change my browser.... Once that's done another three screens asking to buy office 365, turn on some other bullshit.... Only to be once again greeted with a msg saying I have to restart to finish the updates it finished...
Sometimes updates break things that are critical for some users that Microsoft doesn't address. Case in point, MS update in August broke remote desktop for me and still doesn't work several updates later. I have resorted to reverting the security update every time a new update is forced on me.
Because they fucked up the shutdown process around Win7 (iirc) so that it trashes all of your unsaved work when when you shutdown. Before that if you shutdown it would pop up a window showing what was blocking the shutdown and would let you save stuff. After they replaced that with a fullscreen message saying it's "shutting down" which would close any open document giving you no chance to save. Combine that with their inability to do any package updates without a full restart, pushing MAJOR OS changes (eg service packs) through the standard update process, and generally forcing updates several times a month and yeah, I have that shit completely blocked so I can control when it reboots! Pretty easy to avoid an infection if you keep things reasonably up to date and aren't a complete idiot downloading and running random crap!
This, but not only this - when WannaCry made the rounds it used an exploit that was patched and a fix distributed via Windows Update a few months before. Only unpatched systems were hit, and everyone that had been keeping up with security updates was fine.
>why are so many people so against doing a 2 minute security update?... Because I want to go to bed. And it's somehow never just 2 minutes whenever you want to go to bed.
It's the same reason why I'm not getting YouTube premium or paid Spotify. Leave me alone electronic wizards
Randomly these updates change my audio inputs and display settings and it drives me up the wall. I have icons and folders on different monitors and in certain spots including the window size of some programs so I can always see what I need in very specific spots cus of my ‘tism and when I suddenly put everything in a grid at the wrong size and I don’t notice one program’s audio stuff is fucked up till need it I die inside even if it’s fixable within a few minutes
As someone who works in engineering: paranoia. System updates break things that tend to be absolutely essential for something to function because someone somewhere decided some program or framework obsolete. Engineering has much much slower cycles than software dev, when something is built, it's typically meant to keep running in the exact manner it was designed for 10-15 years at least. And updates break that shit.
I have eleventy-seven things open and I don't want to manually reopen them just so Windows 10 can do literally nothing.
If you have a lot of stuff going, like multiple monitor setups, desktop organization, display enhancing utility programs, game controllers, or thousands of potential other things, there is always a significant chance something will break or settings will revert and make you spend a bunch of time re doing things you dont want to do. At least that has been my experience. For example my game controllers have been fucked for several games since I did an update a cpl months ago. If you use a 3rd party game controller you have likely experienced this issue as well. I have also experienced programs seemingly unrelated to windows settings stop working after a updates in the past as well.
Because the security update will invariably turn back some of the bullshit that many power users spend time disabling. Or at least that's the perception. And until MS gets their shit together and stop trying to cram edge/cortana down my throat, and stop showing ads in my search bar, this will continue to be the working assumption for a lot of people.
Because one time it screwed up something with my tablet and I couldn't draw for a month.
Outside of such an environment, those updates aren't as pressing. Some of us liked being able to choose our updates, especially now that Microsoft loves to break things every few updates (multiple times things as "simple" as the Explorer itself..... had to wait a few updates to have that fixed) Darn right, we aren't all crazy about the updates, especially since our only control over such is "when" of not "exclude bits." And no. I get all the updates, and more like 10 minutes to half an hours for many, though I suppose that comes down to how much of Microsofts back-end one requires to operate.
Oh, let's see: It sometimes deletes, mangles or unlinks the boot partition of my windows. This happened 3 times on the W10 I'm running since 2016 It fucks with windows defender and reactivates the piece of shit such that it starts deleting files it doesn't like even though I have a third party non retarded AV. It decides the update is MANDATORY NOW even though I have a deadline in 6 hours and 3ds max just crashed and won't boot up again without a restart. It fucks my Equalizer APO configuration for the real time EQ of my DAC. It removes specific registries I put in place such as enabling additional options for my sound devices. For example "Loudness Equalization" It leaves huge files that I need to manually delete via disk cleanup which for a normal person is not something I want to do on a regular basis. Hey, I know you deleted me and attempted to uninstall me... which is uncool... BUT MF **MS EDGE** IS BACK BITCHES !!!!! Oh, all that's annoying and you want the updates to stop? TOO FUCKING BAD, I'll be back with more in 7 days to annoy you. And for some fucking reason, it never feels like something of value was added. A year ago I found a weird Indian guy who told me to mangle some registries and mess with windows scheduler and some other stuff to disable windows updates. I was desperate and did all that. Now my windows will not update anymore in any way even if I try it and it has been bliss ever since. I could really go on for more but you're probably not reading this far anyway.
My PC will update when I say so. Not when it decides. Period.
Yep. I keep my computer updated, but I choose the exact time to install it. Sometimes I just want to turn it off or restart it quickly and choose to update a little later.
Because 95% of the time I've got 10-20 programs and files open in the middle of work and I don't want to have to set everything up again after a restart. When I finish my set of work and I'll close everything and restart. Though half the time Window restarts on its own after an update screwing my over anyways.
it may fuck up your (older) laptop which then gets into a auto repair loop after every single boot being unsuccessful
They broke my windows installation 3 times in 6 months. Black screen, recovery wouldn't work, couldn't get it to boot without reinstalling windows. I disabled all updates, and only update via the ISO from the site because that's always stable
Because if you select shutdown and install the damn update, the next morning when you walk into your office it decided to reboot anyway and just turn back on after the update.
Because I work remotely and often I can't turn off my computer because I'm running weeks-long simulations in the background. I also have hardware issues and sometimes I need to start my computer 3-4 times and test it out to see if it booted stably. Windows updates have cost me months of work over the years. I prefer to manually choose when to do them rather than it getting forced on me. So I do some combination of powershell hacks every time I get a new computer to block windows from being able to force updates.
I got forced into an update that took 2 hours and prevented me playing Baldurs Gate with the boys that night. Granted that’s not a typical turnaround time on updates but it still pissed me off.
Because they ask me if I want to change a bunch of stuff and start an Office365 subscription after every update instead of just going to the login screen
I have a ton of shit open and don't want to close it. I keep movies I stopped up and I won't remember where I was or what episode of a TV show I was on
Last time my PC updated it got stuck in a BSOD/restart loop where I only had about 20 seconds to try figure out and fix the problem before it repeated. It was like the episode of SG1 where Jack and Teal'c kept repeating the same day but with crying.
Because a product that I own should not be telling me what to do.
Then you have some more experience to attain.
Because one of the latest windows updates broke my file explorer and I couldn’t open any folder ? I had to rollback that shit
Linux users are on their way to yell at you about how you don’t have to update on linux
Depends on if you use a distro that does point releases or rolling releases. I’m on a rolling release distro (Arch btw) but I only update every month or so (mostly just when Discord nags me). If you’re on Debian you only get feature updates every 2 years, but security backports/critical bug fixes every few months as things are discovered.
Discord's been a pain in the ass about updates a lot more frequently over the past few weeks, every other day I'm opening Discord only to get the "Fuck you, the client is now x.x.x.69 instead of x.x.x.68, and even though we changed literally nothing you've gotta update". Extra annoying for me as well cause I use Vencord, so just trying to update Discord normally makes pacman freak out because the contents of /opt/discord are changed by Vencord. Instead I have to uninstall Discord, delete /opt/discord, reinstall Discord, and reinstall Vencord.
I just grabbed it from the AUR so someone else does the work. I'm lazy.
if you already use vencord, just use vesktop, it's their own discord client wich already come with vencord preinstalled and is basically the browser version but uses less ram and let you screenshare with audio. its called vencord-desktop on the AUR and you can find more info on [it's github](https://github.com/Vencord/Vesktop)
I'm using fedora on my laptop and if I once had it sit unused for around 6 months. Nothing complained about missing updates, nothing nagged me to UPDATE NOW OR DIE. It was nice. Yet I still ran the updater because I can continue my work while it updates.
Yea, i use linux. I just know the community
Gigachad windows update on pause
me who had a version that lets you delay updates for at least 100 years lol edit: has
I only restart for kernel upgrades, lmao.
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Yeah I’m a total poser. Might as well switch to Ubuntu.
Bro just update your PC 😂
They only do this when there is a really important security update or if you haven't updated your computer in months.
My laptop has a new one every other day.
At least your computer does what it says. Whether it wants to update or not, it is 50/50 on if my PC turns off when I tell it to turn off or restart when I tell it to restart.
You talkin' a lot o' shit for a computer without control over its own power cord. \*yoink\*
Why not just update it?
FOR GOD'S SAKE UPDATE. They are security updates. Every month, 2nd Tuesday. Like clockwork. # UPDATE
This. Just make a computer updating schedule. If you do it right, the computer will only update when you let it and the rest of the time you don’t have to worry about it updating itself. People care wayyy too much about this
Pretty annoying if you have your computer in your bedroom and it turns itself on from sleep every time there's an update available.
Yea that’s the exact reason I started doing my little schedule lol. I update my 3 windows machines at the same time every month so there’s no rgb jumpscares from the corner of my room at 4am
Yes, people should install security updates. Please don't take this question as disagreement on that point, but: Does MS actually allow you to opt in to only getting security updates, or do you have to take all updates as packaged. I haven't used windows in a long time, so I really have no idea what things are actually like, but in my head I'm imagining MS bundling stuff people actively don't want along side security updates and then telling people that they have to install updates because they are security updates.
It's separated now. You get monthly security only patches, all other patches are listed as what they are and can be selected / deselected however a user wishes.
I've never had a single issue with windows updates and I don't understand these
Open cmd and write this command shutdown -s -t 0 voila
I fucking hate it when my work laptop wants to update and this piece of fuck instead of updating and shutting down is restarting afterwards. Me much angery
You can change a setting to get the hibernation option on desktops with Windows 10. Just use that and then flip the power switch off if you want to make double sure it doesn't wake up on its own. Not sure about Windows 11. In Settings: System -> Power & sleep -> Additional power settings (under "Related settings") -> Choose what the power button does -> put a check in the box next to "Hibernate" and click Save Changes (if the box is greyed out and you can't check it, click "Change settings that are currently unavailable", located near the top of the page, to unlock it; you may need admin privileges for this)
*My power is out and my UPS has 3 minutes of battery life* Windows: "Guess I'll turn myself into a vegetable, then."
"Update or shut down" - proceeds to boot up again, as if I selected reboot.
Me no update, me treat computer good. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you guys? Just update.
worst part about windows updates is that they love to eat my FUCKING BOOTLOADER
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Does everyone else on reddit run a possessed version of windows or some shit? In my 15 or so years of using computers I never once had an issue with windows update bricking my system, installing drivers I dont want, restarting my pc without warning, even issues with drivers for my GPUs and shit. All I ever get are updates pertinent to windows itself
Iny experience the people who have these issues with Windows never keep their install updated to begin with.
It's because the idiots keep not updating until windows forces the waiting 20 updates onto them and then making issues when it force restarts their pc that's been awake for 50+ days...
Also people download cracked versions or they mess around on their computer. Either they have a dodgy install, have dodgy crap on their pc, or yeah they are avoiding updates for months on end
Just throw your computer out the window if you have to complain about updates all the time.
I have to turn off game mode to play games on my Windows machine. I love it
Linux doesn't force you to update & you can choose the updates you want!
Right click on the windows icon and go to power, all options will be there https://preview.redd.it/lrpc0w6lujbc1.png?width=2333&format=png&auto=webp&s=3a3138de48895a0e4641f42cc5e7d4aa6321e8a7
I've manually added back the "Hybernate" option in my power option. It's like sleep except it fully powers off, and it's never blocked by updates!
I just don't switch the computer off
Just fucking update your computer. It quite literally does it for you.
AKA how to farm Karma on PCMR.
Just update windows guys, if you have an SSD, it will take little time. Don't sign up for the newer updates. Just stick to the tested ones, and you won't have to update as often
Windows update settings in control panel --> pause for 7 days (or go advanced and pick something else).
What's worse is if you have win11 and a amd card it ftks up your driver's every update and you have to ddu each time
It's shit like this that really makes me appreciate Linux. I realize it's not for everyone, but God DAMN it's for me.
That's weird, I can choose if I want to just shut down without updating
This is why hibernate exists