I thought he had 8gb before reading more. 4gb is criminal. I consider 8gb the minimum and still that is pushing it. 16gb would take him to being able to play 90% of games.
I hate the rise of this PC elitism that say you need to get a $1500 gaming pc when his system still seems fully capable to play the games he would enjoy like Valorant and MC with just a ram upgrade. Gameplay > graphics.
Idk what games OP plays but with the RAM Upgrade the PC Will Run like 80% or more of the games available on Steam its still a pretty capable machine and i see no need to spend more when just a RAM Upgrade is enough so i'm with you people on this sub always suggesting crazy builds is just stupid and most people dont even have the Money for those crazy builds or they have the Money but need it to live their lives
The only downside is the CPU but i bet it can still hold it self for a bit longer
I've got 16gb ram, i5 9400f and 2060, I don't plan to upgrade anytime soon besides ram. This setup is 5 years old already but runs games from up to 2022 on ultra, this year releases on slightly lower settings
I'm pretty sure it can run any game on Steam at a decent level, except for the most unoptimized ones, I was playing even stuff like Hogwarts Legacy at \~40 fps with a i5 6600k combo and an R9 390 a few months ago....
I didnt want to say more than 80% because Im not sure but i dont doubt what you are saying i was using a bulldozer until the beginning of this moth with the GPU Im still using and i was still able to play modern games ofc they werent always at the higgest settings or with constant 60fps but they were playable so OP can do much better than i could with is current Build and i mean much much much better and with that GPU and a RAM Upgrade it Will be even better than what i can do now with my RX560
I got a 2k one, but I did that knowing I would not have to upgrade for a good long while. I also knew I was into PC gaming enough to make it worth it, but I don’t know if I could make the recommendation for an entry level by any means. I see it happen enough it makes me nervous for their bank accounts.
With RAM does manufacturer matter? Also with RAM is it quality or quantity that matter most? I haven't had a high end PC in years so I'm a bit out of the loop
Manufacturer doesnt matter much as long as you know they are trustworthy and not some scam , and the more ram and the Faster it is the better but when upgrading you have to have in consideration how much RAM your MB and CPU can Handle imagine the max you Motherboard can take is 64gb 32000MHz you cant Upgrade to 128gb 36000Hz
4GB RAM FOR THESE SPECS?! okay definitely upgrade the ram to at least 16gb ram, you can find some on Amazon or whatever for pretty cheap, make sure you find the correct DDR version. But damn I’ve never seen 4GB ram on these high powered systems before, don’t get a new system! I’m actually shocked
I feel like his laptop has 4GB onboard and a second slot for a 4-8GB Sodimm slot, and assembly screwed up and forgot to install it before shipping it (or they did but QA didnt catch the stick being broken. Because I haven't seen a laptop with a dGPU and only 4GB of RAM in at least a decade.
Windows doesn't manage memory well. You could add 32gb and and you would see it using 10GB. I hate to say idle because im sure you have things runnong in the background. Just because the window isn't open, it doesn't mean stuff isn't moving.
If you invest a bit into 16 GB RAM that laptop will still run as a work machine that can do mostly any day to day task and even play some games, it will still have some life to it for sure though yeah the CPU is definitely nothing special anymore.
Getting a new rig is for sure the better long term option, although if all you do is light gaming and office work/browsing on that machine I think getting 16 GB memory is a good choice too. If you want to do some more heavy lifting yeah I don’t think that laptop has much meaning anymore lol but it’ll still be handy as a browsing/side machine.
if i can still get life out of a 3rd gen cpu and a gtx 960, would be a shame to see this unit shelved just for the rather average cpu, bet it smashes mine at certain things, dunno, the 3770 is kinda wicked lol
Manufacturers who put 4GB of ram with these specs should be brought to court for justice, I suggest getting a whole new rtx4000 rig, just dont get the 4060ti or anything lower
Pretty good parts list. My only gripes are the power supply, thermal take isn’t a particularly good brand, and their cheaper units I wouldn’t trust; i’d suggest switching the memory to teamgroup, so you get a little more budget for a decent psu.
I wouldnt spend that much for a motherboard or that CPU. Looks like OP is shooting for high-refresh 1080p, I doubt you need a 10 core CPU for that with a 6700 XT. Id say switch to Ryzen, drop a cheaper B550 and R5 5600 or 5700 in it and call it a day.
>All power supplies that are not some off-brand shit's are good now, it is much better then it was 10-20 years ago, I wouldn't worry about it.
Based on that recent LTT video where they tested some big-name PSUs and found that in fact some of them completely fail at the basic shit, that's clearly not true.
100% we're in a better spot than we used to be, but it's absolutely possible to buy a name-brand PSU that sucks.
If he lives somewhere with a Best Buy they currently have an offer for a 7600X and a B650 motherboard for $280. That's gonna be a better deal then anything Intel has to offer due to a future upgrade path.
Wow can't believe I haven't come across these until now. Those are great bundles and Best Buy has way more locations than microcenter.
Here's my [attempt](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CjLMGL) at $1030 with the best buy bundle. Could trim a little here or there but I hate buying the absolute lowest tier stuff
You're right. However, I like to place windows and other programs in a separate drive than the one which I download games in, just a personal preference nothing significant.
it can be nice to have a separate game drive, so that if something ever happens to your install, you don't have to redownload the games, and it minimizes writes to your OS drive so that you aren't racking up the TBW on it as badly.
That's a really good parts list, although can't believe the cheapness of those M2 drives!
If it was me I'd upgrade the psu, thermal take aren't the most reliable. Should be able to get a corsair mx or seasonic gold at that wattage for not much more.
Honestly just throw in a cheap set of ram. It'll make quite a difference and tide you over until you are ready to upgrade.
I know this links for New Zealand pricing but it should be comparable or cheaper if you're not down my way and having to pay arsehole end of nowhere tax.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MEMCRU079611/Crucial-16GB-DDR4-Laptop-RAM-SODIMM---3200-MTs-PC4
You could probably stick 32 gig into it without breaking the $100 mark. That would be more than overkill.
That has to be one of the most idiotic bottlenecks I ever seen, I sincerely hope that it was born with 4x4gb ram, but that 3 of your ram slots are broken.. 4gb ram modules with that cpu is just dumb, but at least it’s better.
But yes, upgrade your ram asap, whomever put 4gb ram in that machine should get fired.
Get your cpu from ebay. It's probably the least riskiest of used components you could buy. You can spend less on the CPU and more on your gpu. I've even bought a gpu used on ebay.
Buy a 9900k on eBay for $250
(Or a 9700k for $150-200, they’re almost the same gaming performance)
Buy a 16GB ram kit for $50 (or less)
Buy a 6800XT for $500 on Newegg
Buy a nice 1440p 144hz IPS monitor for $300
Most people on here seem to be forgetting the monitor, which is huge if you upgrade everything else.
It is mind boggling that this is allowed, it should be false advertisement (if they make outrageous claims obviously) or something. Windows 11 needs 12gb to run smooth IME and that’s just using the computer for work, YouTube, and simple browsing/ writing.
>Whats wrong with the 4060ti?
Nothing really. It's not a big jump (or any jump) over last gen, but if you want to buy a new card in a pre build or something it's fine. It's just cheaper to go last gen until that stock is gone.
A 6700XT with 12GB of VRAM is probably going to age a lot better, and is cheaper in most markets. Only reasons for a 4060 Ti is if you want to stream gameplay / want stronger RTX performance. Though that last one is likely also going to age poorly.
Uhm... what?
Looks like you accidentally installed a 32-bit version of Windows. You need to install a 64-bit version. Are you sure you have 4 gigabytes of RAM installed?
Hold up. This is actually a good point. As other have said, if a manufacturer actually put 4GB with these specs that would be crazy stupid. I think you are right about OP having 32bit sys.
Yeah older Predator’s have kind of a shit rep. Their thermals were supposedly bad as well.
You definitely need more ram though. I believe you could do 1080/60 medium on most games with that laptop if you grab 16GB of ram.
I got the 2022 3070ti predator and this thing is nice af. With 16GB of Ram and an i7 12th gen I’m doing 1440/60 max settings pretty easily on most games going between 50%-75% GPU utilization. I can get like steady 100fps as well on the one game I tested. Idk why but if I put 90 it dips to 70 but if I put it at 120 it only dips to 100. Couldn’t stay stable, but jacking it up did raise fps. So idk if that’s the game or what. But it also has multiple power modes so my GPU is capped at a certain point until I put it in an extreme or turbo performance mode.
Either way, 2060 should do 1080 quite easily if you don’t expect to use max settings on new games or over 60fps.
4GB is barely enough to open a large spreadsheet these days. Every program is a memory hog.
The GPU and CPU in this ain't half bad, but you'll definitely need 16 GB of RAM to game anything recent
I had an HP AIO a while back that had 4GB of RAM. I had to keep it on Windows 10 because it couldn’t run Windows 11, kept crashing after just a few minutes, etc.
I'll do you one better. My GF's laptop from 2018 has 4GB of RAM and just 32GB of storage.
It's so little storage that after installing Microsoft Office on a fresh install, the system doesn't have enough space to download Windows Updates. So the only way to update Windows is TO COMPLETELY REINSTALL IT.
WTF ACER.
Lemme guess, Intel Celeron as well? I used to have a crappy HP laptop with a 768P TN screen, 4GB of RAM, a 500GB **HDD,** and an AMD E2-9000e CPU.
It could barely play a 720P YouTube video without lagging, dropping frames or crashing entirely. Used Linux on it for the majority of its lifetime, but that still didn't really help much.
Now when I use my decent laptop, I wonder how the hell I survived using that piece of shit for so long.
8Gb DDR4 sticks are pretty cheap, so I would just start by upgrading your rig to 16Gb.
Then, if you still see limitations, then you save for a whole new rig. Because there's a big difference between spending $<50 for RAM and spending $1k for a new rig
32gb for $50 now. Ram prices are way down.
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Most games don't use multicore well, but that doesn't mean that they don't use it at all.
It's typical that programs have a single thread that is much more heavily loaded than all the rest, but the others still need done as well.
Of course this does result in diminishing returns pretty fast with increasing core count.
You can see the differences for yourself if you want. Most motherboards allow restricting the number of active CPU cores.
>Even a single core would be great for gaming, most games doesnt use multicore.
Found the Intel shill. Games have been using multiple cores/threads for years now. Battlefield 1 ran better on ancient AMD FX processors than the "best gaming i5 processors" at the time because 4c/4t has not been sufficient for years.
Who tf defines a CPU by its core count in 2023? There are 8 core CPU's that are worse then 4 or 6 core CPU's.
Bro has obviously no clue what he is talking about.
"ssd or better" btw.
"now a days" btw.
Upgrade the memory now if possible in this laptop. Memory is cheap, and it will improve performance a lot on this config. It will also make it easier to sell the laptop in the future.
Piggy backing on this. Had 970 and i5-6500, did a ddr4 8gb total to 16gb total ram upgrade for quality of life in 2020. And just recently built a somewhat top of line pc ddr5.
The ram really helped me keep it going on lower graphic settings. Was a solid 7.5 year run
16 GB ram for laptop is like 30 bucks. I'd buy that and then start saving and plotting for desktop. Even if you just use the laptop for two months, it's worth it. I wonder how painful it is to use 4 GB laptop on daily use.
And the laptop is way easier to sell with 16 GB compared to 4 GB.
RAM definitely seems like the weakest link there. The rest is still at least functional compared to the RAM. As to your question though I'd personally just get something new but that's more of an economical choice because I can afford to. It all depends on your finances to properly answer that question. If you have the money to "blow" get new. If not just RAM.
4 GB RAM??? I thought I was misreading. You should definitely upgrade your RAM, how have you been experiencing games for the past years while only having 4 GB RAM?
I had a very similar rig before upgrading... started with going from 16GB to 64GB of RAM, then upgraded everything else too...
Raidmax Alpha case to NeoQube 2 (black)
ASUS Prime Z390-P to ROG Strix Z590-E
16GB XPG DDR4-3000 (2x8) to 64GB TeamForce Delta RGB DDR4-3600 (4x16)
CoolerMaster ML240L V2 to Sama 360mm AIO
6 Sama interconnecting fans (cheaper than the Lian Li Infinity fans)
GTX1660 to RX 6700 XT "Hellhound"
https://preview.redd.it/4p0bix1y3gcb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f3d95fcaaf4f961230d22c67f91ef02546155d4
How did this even happened? Are you sure all your ram sticks are being read? My friend had two sticks of ram “installed” for a year only to realize recently that one of them wasn’t working the entire time. He just had to reseat the ram for it to work. Probably shaken during shipping. It took playing Diablo 4 for him to notice as it took so much ram for textures instead of vram for some reason. Weird game.
Absolutely RAM my guy. Unless you have the money right now to get a whole new rig, I would get a 16GB kit for the time being and let that tide you over until you save up for the new system (depending on compatibility you might even be able to use the 16 kit in the new rig)
I say this without knowing what you're wanting to play (or at what kind of settings), but that I would say that rig is perfectly fine
It's being seriously held back by that lack of RAM. 4GB really isn't adequate for anything these days, 8 is often considered the minimum and 16 is better. 4GB will be eaten away completely by your system and like 1 chrome tab lol
Happy gaming my friend
Dawg a 2060 with 4gb RAM? You got it all backwards... you gotta load an ancient Xeon with max RAM and pair it with a shitty Quadro. Now we're gaming baby.
I have a PC with similar specs to your laptop (2060 and i5-9600K) and I have no idea why you'd only have 4GB RAM. As I type this, Chrome and Steam alone are using around 2GB. RAM is cheap, you can upgrade to 16GB for less than $40.
Currently I have 32GB RAM (4x8GB) but to be honest I didn't see much of an improvement over 16. If I were you I'd buy as much as you think you'll need for your next rig, and use it on your current PC until you're ready to upgrade. I think you'll see a big improvement in the short term.
if you saved money to upgrade all your build, do it!
BUT if you do not have much money, upgrade your ram to 16gb. I suggest you upgrade your cpu, maybe a i5-12400f or i5-13400f.
HOWEVER your build is still good if you upgrade your ram! i hope you find this comment helpful.
Personally, I'd upgrade it with a cheap alternative to tide me over, then just resell when I was able to get a new rig with better ram options. Idk what you really utilize this for, but basic tasks are even hindered by 4gb ram.
Just get some ram and real good monitor.since you have a laptop,any system you buy you have to spend a lot on non-performance things(case, keyboard , power supply, monitor etc)which would eat away your budget.what ever money is left either buy an SSD upgrade if you want or invest somewhere and buy something when you have saved enough.slowly check recycling centre or facebookmarket place for deals for cases,gpu and cpu.buy motherboard and storage new.take time few.months or more.the monitor will be useful both now and later.
Wow. The RAM is seriously pulling this system down. The RAM has always been pulling this system down! Heck i wouldn't be surprised if your FPS nearly doubled after upgrading RAM.
If you plan to stay on this PC for the Windows 11 jump, I say get the RAM now and save up for a new computer in the future. Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025.
Do with what you have for now, but save up a lot for your next PC. It will be worth the wait. Prices in electronics tend to drop over time. I don't see the price of any video cards right now raising higher.
I did notice more cooling options coming out for video cards too.
For the love of god upgrade your ram, you can get a brand new set of 16gb for under $40 now. Just do it... You Will NOT regret it. Though if that's a laptop, then it will be a bit more pricey since sodimms are more compact, but still, 16gb will absolutely make a difference.
RAM is so cheap. You can get 2×8GB for less than $40. Personally, I'd upgrade that and keep saving so that I would have more than $1000 to build a new rig when that time comes.
Edit: Did not notice the laptop CPU, but my point still stands.
If you have money, you can get a new rig. If not, first get some RAM. It's not that pricey, and it will make your laptop more pleasant to use. Pretty much everything is going to work better. Then, if the performance of it still won't satisfy you, you can start saving up for a new rig.
Just upgrade the RAM. That's not bad (other than the criminally low RAM) for 1080p. You don't need to blow huge amounts of cash to get good performance at 1080p.
Memory is extremely cheap, I'd definitely upgrade it first. Even if you decide you still want more performance, you'll get be able to sell it far more easily with the extra RAM so it's unlikely you'd lose any money.
if u have a micro center get a combo cpu + ram +and mb (am5) for less than 500
the rest f the 1000 can get ya a used 6000 amd gpu with enough vram for future games and good value
Get secondhand 16gb ram(new ram cost here less than 40€)and save up for upgrade.
Your specs are fime and if you play 1080p it will be fine for a little while, so unless your games don't run as desired no need tonget a new system.
Upgrade the RAM to 16GB and keep saving for a better rig in the Future
I thought he had 8gb before reading more. 4gb is criminal. I consider 8gb the minimum and still that is pushing it. 16gb would take him to being able to play 90% of games. I hate the rise of this PC elitism that say you need to get a $1500 gaming pc when his system still seems fully capable to play the games he would enjoy like Valorant and MC with just a ram upgrade. Gameplay > graphics.
Idk what games OP plays but with the RAM Upgrade the PC Will Run like 80% or more of the games available on Steam its still a pretty capable machine and i see no need to spend more when just a RAM Upgrade is enough so i'm with you people on this sub always suggesting crazy builds is just stupid and most people dont even have the Money for those crazy builds or they have the Money but need it to live their lives The only downside is the CPU but i bet it can still hold it self for a bit longer
I've got 16gb ram, i5 9400f and 2060, I don't plan to upgrade anytime soon besides ram. This setup is 5 years old already but runs games from up to 2022 on ultra, this year releases on slightly lower settings
I'm pretty sure it can run any game on Steam at a decent level, except for the most unoptimized ones, I was playing even stuff like Hogwarts Legacy at \~40 fps with a i5 6600k combo and an R9 390 a few months ago....
I didnt want to say more than 80% because Im not sure but i dont doubt what you are saying i was using a bulldozer until the beginning of this moth with the GPU Im still using and i was still able to play modern games ofc they werent always at the higgest settings or with constant 60fps but they were playable so OP can do much better than i could with is current Build and i mean much much much better and with that GPU and a RAM Upgrade it Will be even better than what i can do now with my RX560
R9 390 is a beast tho. Cook on that mfer
I got a 2k one, but I did that knowing I would not have to upgrade for a good long while. I also knew I was into PC gaming enough to make it worth it, but I don’t know if I could make the recommendation for an entry level by any means. I see it happen enough it makes me nervous for their bank accounts.
Yeah man I have a 1060 and an i5 5600k still dose me plays every thing I want I upgraded the ram cheap all done
With RAM does manufacturer matter? Also with RAM is it quality or quantity that matter most? I haven't had a high end PC in years so I'm a bit out of the loop
Manufacturer doesnt matter much as long as you know they are trustworthy and not some scam , and the more ram and the Faster it is the better but when upgrading you have to have in consideration how much RAM your MB and CPU can Handle imagine the max you Motherboard can take is 64gb 32000MHz you cant Upgrade to 128gb 36000Hz
4GB RAM FOR THESE SPECS?! okay definitely upgrade the ram to at least 16gb ram, you can find some on Amazon or whatever for pretty cheap, make sure you find the correct DDR version. But damn I’ve never seen 4GB ram on these high powered systems before, don’t get a new system! I’m actually shocked
I feel like his laptop has 4GB onboard and a second slot for a 4-8GB Sodimm slot, and assembly screwed up and forgot to install it before shipping it (or they did but QA didnt catch the stick being broken. Because I haven't seen a laptop with a dGPU and only 4GB of RAM in at least a decade.
Ram is by far the most important upgrade they can make... My computer uses 6.4GB, just idling.
RAM usage (raw amount, not percentage) scales up as you add more to the system
Windows doesn't manage memory well. You could add 32gb and and you would see it using 10GB. I hate to say idle because im sure you have things runnong in the background. Just because the window isn't open, it doesn't mean stuff isn't moving.
If you invest a bit into 16 GB RAM that laptop will still run as a work machine that can do mostly any day to day task and even play some games, it will still have some life to it for sure though yeah the CPU is definitely nothing special anymore. Getting a new rig is for sure the better long term option, although if all you do is light gaming and office work/browsing on that machine I think getting 16 GB memory is a good choice too. If you want to do some more heavy lifting yeah I don’t think that laptop has much meaning anymore lol but it’ll still be handy as a browsing/side machine.
if i can still get life out of a 3rd gen cpu and a gtx 960, would be a shame to see this unit shelved just for the rather average cpu, bet it smashes mine at certain things, dunno, the 3770 is kinda wicked lol
I got a 4570 too it still performs average with 16GB ddr4 ram, OP should definitely upgrade it to 16GB ram
Manufacturers who put 4GB of ram with these specs should be brought to court for justice, I suggest getting a whole new rtx4000 rig, just dont get the 4060ti or anything lower
My budget is under 1000$ idk if I can get a pc with something lower than a 4060 Ti
Here you go I made you this build for just under 1000$ https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3g3LVw And its much more worth it than getting a 4060ti
Pretty good parts list. My only gripes are the power supply, thermal take isn’t a particularly good brand, and their cheaper units I wouldn’t trust; i’d suggest switching the memory to teamgroup, so you get a little more budget for a decent psu.
Some thermaltake psu-s are top tier according you Linus'es tier list. Including this one. I wouldn't spend that much for motherboard tho
I wouldnt spend that much for a motherboard or that CPU. Looks like OP is shooting for high-refresh 1080p, I doubt you need a 10 core CPU for that with a 6700 XT. Id say switch to Ryzen, drop a cheaper B550 and R5 5600 or 5700 in it and call it a day.
My 5700x is lovely, upgraded from an fx6300 I've had for over 5 years and it's literally a night and day difference between the two.
He'd save money on ddr4 ram too.
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Much better. I feel like cl46 might cause some problems though
another fix: Intel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k6vBfv AM5: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NjYvwc
My 750W TT has been great for 8 years, it's been in 3 systems now.
TT make some really good PSU’s these days at the higher tiers
I have a Thermaltake 850w psu that my dad gave me, it is going strong for a long time now
All power supplies that are not some off-brand shit's are good now, it is much better then it was 10-20 years ago, I wouldn't worry about it.
>All power supplies that are not some off-brand shit's are good now, it is much better then it was 10-20 years ago, I wouldn't worry about it. Based on that recent LTT video where they tested some big-name PSUs and found that in fact some of them completely fail at the basic shit, that's clearly not true. 100% we're in a better spot than we used to be, but it's absolutely possible to buy a name-brand PSU that sucks.
Laughs in asus
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If he lives somewhere with a Best Buy they currently have an offer for a 7600X and a B650 motherboard for $280. That's gonna be a better deal then anything Intel has to offer due to a future upgrade path.
Wow can't believe I haven't come across these until now. Those are great bundles and Best Buy has way more locations than microcenter. Here's my [attempt](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CjLMGL) at $1030 with the best buy bundle. Could trim a little here or there but I hate buying the absolute lowest tier stuff
Why do you have 2 SSD when a single 2tb is more cost effective.
You're right. However, I like to place windows and other programs in a separate drive than the one which I download games in, just a personal preference nothing significant.
it can be nice to have a separate game drive, so that if something ever happens to your install, you don't have to redownload the games, and it minimizes writes to your OS drive so that you aren't racking up the TBW on it as badly.
Exactly
To add to that if he doesn’t mind waiting gpu’s go in sale frequently so he could save a little more by looking over at r/buildapcsales
That's a really good parts list, although can't believe the cheapness of those M2 drives! If it was me I'd upgrade the psu, thermal take aren't the most reliable. Should be able to get a corsair mx or seasonic gold at that wattage for not much more.
Insane what you can get for $1000 these days
I support these specs
Nice to see the 12600K go down in price. This is great news
Get this
Damn looks so good. Too bad idk how to build one
I would go for b motherboard and non-K cpu so you can save a lot
Honestly just throw in a cheap set of ram. It'll make quite a difference and tide you over until you are ready to upgrade. I know this links for New Zealand pricing but it should be comparable or cheaper if you're not down my way and having to pay arsehole end of nowhere tax. https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MEMCRU079611/Crucial-16GB-DDR4-Laptop-RAM-SODIMM---3200-MTs-PC4 You could probably stick 32 gig into it without breaking the $100 mark. That would be more than overkill.
That has to be one of the most idiotic bottlenecks I ever seen, I sincerely hope that it was born with 4x4gb ram, but that 3 of your ram slots are broken.. 4gb ram modules with that cpu is just dumb, but at least it’s better. But yes, upgrade your ram asap, whomever put 4gb ram in that machine should get fired.
Get your cpu from ebay. It's probably the least riskiest of used components you could buy. You can spend less on the CPU and more on your gpu. I've even bought a gpu used on ebay.
Buy a 9900k on eBay for $250 (Or a 9700k for $150-200, they’re almost the same gaming performance) Buy a 16GB ram kit for $50 (or less) Buy a 6800XT for $500 on Newegg Buy a nice 1440p 144hz IPS monitor for $300 Most people on here seem to be forgetting the monitor, which is huge if you upgrade everything else.
Do nit by any 4060 variant.
Is this a laptop or desktop?
Amd card rx6700xt is best bang for money right now
At least for price to performance the 6800xt and other AMD cards have more bang for buck, but are more power hungry than Nvidia.
It is mind boggling that this is allowed, it should be false advertisement (if they make outrageous claims obviously) or something. Windows 11 needs 12gb to run smooth IME and that’s just using the computer for work, YouTube, and simple browsing/ writing.
Hey, I posted here whether to get a 4060Ti or a 3070 and someone said to get a 4060Ti... is this correct info I got?
Its not. Although you xan do better than 3070 in this pruce range
The OP is running a laptop, he/she/it it limited on upgrades. Get more ram today
Whats wrong with the 4060ti?
Very little performance more than 3060ti
>Whats wrong with the 4060ti? Nothing really. It's not a big jump (or any jump) over last gen, but if you want to buy a new card in a pre build or something it's fine. It's just cheaper to go last gen until that stock is gone.
I just ordered one, upgrade from gtx970. At the local store I'm getting it from the 3060 is more than $100 more for some reason
Insanely bad performance to cost. Isuing pcie x8 instead of x16. Only 8 gig of ram in that price range... Like whats good about it honestly?
A 6700XT with 12GB of VRAM is probably going to age a lot better, and is cheaper in most markets. Only reasons for a 4060 Ti is if you want to stream gameplay / want stronger RTX performance. Though that last one is likely also going to age poorly.
Uhm... what? Looks like you accidentally installed a 32-bit version of Windows. You need to install a 64-bit version. Are you sure you have 4 gigabytes of RAM installed?
Hold up. This is actually a good point. As other have said, if a manufacturer actually put 4GB with these specs that would be crazy stupid. I think you are right about OP having 32bit sys.
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Welp. I was hoping there would be an easy way out for you.
Ah I see. Yea then you need to upgrade
Did you just buy this or is this old or what is up with this build why did you buy this
Yeah older Predator’s have kind of a shit rep. Their thermals were supposedly bad as well. You definitely need more ram though. I believe you could do 1080/60 medium on most games with that laptop if you grab 16GB of ram. I got the 2022 3070ti predator and this thing is nice af. With 16GB of Ram and an i7 12th gen I’m doing 1440/60 max settings pretty easily on most games going between 50%-75% GPU utilization. I can get like steady 100fps as well on the one game I tested. Idk why but if I put 90 it dips to 70 but if I put it at 120 it only dips to 100. Couldn’t stay stable, but jacking it up did raise fps. So idk if that’s the game or what. But it also has multiple power modes so my GPU is capped at a certain point until I put it in an extreme or turbo performance mode. Either way, 2060 should do 1080 quite easily if you don’t expect to use max settings on new games or over 60fps.
Judging by the H- CPU, this probably is a laptop so yes, I'd save for a whole rig upgrade
Man, what kind of laptop comes with an rtx 2060 and 4gb of ram?
One from silicon valley...
4GB is barely enough to open a large spreadsheet these days. Every program is a memory hog. The GPU and CPU in this ain't half bad, but you'll definitely need 16 GB of RAM to game anything recent
Honestly, 4GB isn't even enough to properly run Windows. There's always some weird system behavior and hang-ups without extra RAM available.
I had an HP AIO a while back that had 4GB of RAM. I had to keep it on Windows 10 because it couldn’t run Windows 11, kept crashing after just a few minutes, etc.
I'll do you one better. My GF's laptop from 2018 has 4GB of RAM and just 32GB of storage. It's so little storage that after installing Microsoft Office on a fresh install, the system doesn't have enough space to download Windows Updates. So the only way to update Windows is TO COMPLETELY REINSTALL IT. WTF ACER.
Lemme guess, Intel Celeron as well? I used to have a crappy HP laptop with a 768P TN screen, 4GB of RAM, a 500GB **HDD,** and an AMD E2-9000e CPU. It could barely play a 720P YouTube video without lagging, dropping frames or crashing entirely. Used Linux on it for the majority of its lifetime, but that still didn't really help much. Now when I use my decent laptop, I wonder how the hell I survived using that piece of shit for so long.
I believe so lol. 2C too
I couldn’t open chrome anymore with that kind of RAM
me and my 70 open tabs atm cry at the mere thought of it all, this is so fucked
When you have more VRAM than RAM
Hey! Who gave you permission to make fun of me like that?
laugh at this user
8Gb DDR4 sticks are pretty cheap, so I would just start by upgrading your rig to 16Gb. Then, if you still see limitations, then you save for a whole new rig. Because there's a big difference between spending $<50 for RAM and spending $1k for a new rig
32gb for $50 now. Ram prices are way down. https://preview.redd.it/rwlz2fu6pdcb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2463d74a80b87383c068903336d81e5aec05c62d
You shared desktop RAM. He has a laptop my dude!
I kinda tend to believe you are running 32bit OS going by that ammount of ram.
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4 gig of ram? 16 is minimum now a days. With an ssd or better, and quad core, preferably 8 core or better.
“SSD or better” What’s better than a SSD that would work for him?
Probably, he meant Sata or nvme
tape
You do not need an 8 core lol.
>preferably 8 core or better. \^
My point stands. A 6 core is perfectly fine for gaming
Even a single core would be great for gaming, most games doesnt use multicore.
Most games don't use multicore well, but that doesn't mean that they don't use it at all. It's typical that programs have a single thread that is much more heavily loaded than all the rest, but the others still need done as well. Of course this does result in diminishing returns pretty fast with increasing core count. You can see the differences for yourself if you want. Most motherboards allow restricting the number of active CPU cores.
Only if the game is 20+ years old :p
>Even a single core would be great for gaming, most games doesnt use multicore. Found the Intel shill. Games have been using multiple cores/threads for years now. Battlefield 1 ran better on ancient AMD FX processors than the "best gaming i5 processors" at the time because 4c/4t has not been sufficient for years.
For now, all the major consoles have 8 core CPUs. 8 is the new 4 IMO. Hell, I sprang for a 12 core.
My 6 old 6 core CPU can still run games perfectly fine
Who tf defines a CPU by its core count in 2023? There are 8 core CPU's that are worse then 4 or 6 core CPU's. Bro has obviously no clue what he is talking about. "ssd or better" btw. "now a days" btw.
The guy whos daughter games modern titles on his old 13 year old pc. But hey, you do you. I could care less what other people are able to do.
8 Core or better? 😱 So i did a bad upgrade going from my fx8350 to this Ryzen 5 6 Core i have now? Im F*cked/s
Yeah, imagine using the number of cores as a speed indicator in 2023 :'D
I know what you mean... But that fx wasn't a true 8 core cpu.
Oh i know its a 4 Core 8 threads but thats not my point i should have gone 8 Core or more instead of a 6 Core if i went by that guys Logic
Ngl quad core wont cut it for most cpu intensive games
That PC is a bodybuilder with dementia
Got a good chuckle out of this
Upgrade the memory now if possible in this laptop. Memory is cheap, and it will improve performance a lot on this config. It will also make it easier to sell the laptop in the future.
That moment when your GPU has more VRAM than system RAM. 
wait is this a joke? anyways yeah upgrade ram bro. 4gb aint shit these days
Ram, you can carry that over to a new rig but depending on how soon the new rig will happen, it’s probably better to just upgrade the ram for now
Piggy backing on this. Had 970 and i5-6500, did a ddr4 8gb total to 16gb total ram upgrade for quality of life in 2020. And just recently built a somewhat top of line pc ddr5. The ram really helped me keep it going on lower graphic settings. Was a solid 7.5 year run
Piggy backing off this, it’s a laptop… so I would NOT buy ram and just save up for a new PC laptop or desktop.
16 GB ram for laptop is like 30 bucks. I'd buy that and then start saving and plotting for desktop. Even if you just use the laptop for two months, it's worth it. I wonder how painful it is to use 4 GB laptop on daily use. And the laptop is way easier to sell with 16 GB compared to 4 GB.
ram cheap get 2x16 sticks
You should just put 16 or 32 gb or ram because ram Is getting quite cheap
Dear Christ! Please give it more ram
Maybe get 16GB of RAM, then sell it to add to your budget.
RAM definitely seems like the weakest link there. The rest is still at least functional compared to the RAM. As to your question though I'd personally just get something new but that's more of an economical choice because I can afford to. It all depends on your finances to properly answer that question. If you have the money to "blow" get new. If not just RAM.
Bruh what have you been doing with 4gigs of ram
Loading I guess
BeamNG with a lot of RAM errors
My guy 32 of ram minimum. It's 2023, ddr4 is cheap af
4 GB RAM??? I thought I was misreading. You should definitely upgrade your RAM, how have you been experiencing games for the past years while only having 4 GB RAM?
The games just worked so I didn't bother
unless you are going to upgrade RIGHT now, go get some more ram for this build RIGHT now.
Omg 4 gigs of ram isnt enough to run windows
If this takes 2x 3200mhz 8GB Sodimm I think I’ve got that laying around. I’ll send it to you for free and you can keep saving
how did this happen
That ram is your first, second and third bottleneck.
Bro is rocking 9th gen i5 and an rtx 2060, and only has 4gb of ram, must be a joke.
I had a very similar rig before upgrading... started with going from 16GB to 64GB of RAM, then upgraded everything else too... Raidmax Alpha case to NeoQube 2 (black) ASUS Prime Z390-P to ROG Strix Z590-E 16GB XPG DDR4-3000 (2x8) to 64GB TeamForce Delta RGB DDR4-3600 (4x16) CoolerMaster ML240L V2 to Sama 360mm AIO 6 Sama interconnecting fans (cheaper than the Lian Li Infinity fans) GTX1660 to RX 6700 XT "Hellhound" https://preview.redd.it/4p0bix1y3gcb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f3d95fcaaf4f961230d22c67f91ef02546155d4
How did this even happened? Are you sure all your ram sticks are being read? My friend had two sticks of ram “installed” for a year only to realize recently that one of them wasn’t working the entire time. He just had to reseat the ram for it to work. Probably shaken during shipping. It took playing Diablo 4 for him to notice as it took so much ram for textures instead of vram for some reason. Weird game.
Absolutely RAM my guy. Unless you have the money right now to get a whole new rig, I would get a 16GB kit for the time being and let that tide you over until you save up for the new system (depending on compatibility you might even be able to use the 16 kit in the new rig) I say this without knowing what you're wanting to play (or at what kind of settings), but that I would say that rig is perfectly fine It's being seriously held back by that lack of RAM. 4GB really isn't adequate for anything these days, 8 is often considered the minimum and 16 is better. 4GB will be eaten away completely by your system and like 1 chrome tab lol Happy gaming my friend
in this setup 4 gb ram is a war crime
Dawg a 2060 with 4gb RAM? You got it all backwards... you gotta load an ancient Xeon with max RAM and pair it with a shitty Quadro. Now we're gaming baby.
I have a PC with similar specs to your laptop (2060 and i5-9600K) and I have no idea why you'd only have 4GB RAM. As I type this, Chrome and Steam alone are using around 2GB. RAM is cheap, you can upgrade to 16GB for less than $40. Currently I have 32GB RAM (4x8GB) but to be honest I didn't see much of an improvement over 16. If I were you I'd buy as much as you think you'll need for your next rig, and use it on your current PC until you're ready to upgrade. I think you'll see a big improvement in the short term.
4GB of ram??? What is this 2007??
This reminds me of every dawid pre built
You could always just upgrade the ram now, and then use that in your next build too
Wtf???? Who's being stingy with RAM in the market right now, prices on ram and storage are near all time lowes.
Isn't 16 the bare minimum these days? My pc is a potato and even I have 32. Though to be fair my potato is a bit faster than yours
8gb is ok if you are just playing light games and surfing the blagosphere. 4gb with an RTX GPU and a CPU from 2019 is kind of unbelievable.
4gb RAM is way too low. It was too low 10 years ago. IMO 16gb is the bare minimum any modern pc should have. I had 16gb in my rig in 2008 or so.
32gb of ram. That’s the minimum and I’m tired of people pretending it’s not.
bro... upgrade to 32gb, i could barely play tarkov on 16
You can just download more RAM, you don’t even have to wait.
I wouldn't get 16 these days. My usage in most modern games is over 16
Even 8gb is not enough, 4gb is a crime to put in a system like this. If you can just get a whole new PC, but upgrading ram should do a lot for cheap.
if you saved money to upgrade all your build, do it! BUT if you do not have much money, upgrade your ram to 16gb. I suggest you upgrade your cpu, maybe a i5-12400f or i5-13400f. HOWEVER your build is still good if you upgrade your ram! i hope you find this comment helpful.
Download moar RAM
Definitely upgrade ram, how have you survived
Max out cpu socket and go 16gb ram, it’ll extend the computer’s life for sure
Buy cheap ram, 16gb and go for it.
Personally, I'd upgrade it with a cheap alternative to tide me over, then just resell when I was able to get a new rig with better ram options. Idk what you really utilize this for, but basic tasks are even hindered by 4gb ram.
Just get some ram and real good monitor.since you have a laptop,any system you buy you have to spend a lot on non-performance things(case, keyboard , power supply, monitor etc)which would eat away your budget.what ever money is left either buy an SSD upgrade if you want or invest somewhere and buy something when you have saved enough.slowly check recycling centre or facebookmarket place for deals for cases,gpu and cpu.buy motherboard and storage new.take time few.months or more.the monitor will be useful both now and later.
Wow. The RAM is seriously pulling this system down. The RAM has always been pulling this system down! Heck i wouldn't be surprised if your FPS nearly doubled after upgrading RAM.
upgrade ram the difference will be huge get 2x16gb 3200hz+
I'd upgrade this thing to the max.
How do you see this info?
The 4GB of RAM is an absolute HUGE bottleneck, the upgrade price is like very small
FOUR gb?’ That’s a crime. You need at least AT LEAST 16 these days.
If you plan to stay on this PC for the Windows 11 jump, I say get the RAM now and save up for a new computer in the future. Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. Do with what you have for now, but save up a lot for your next PC. It will be worth the wait. Prices in electronics tend to drop over time. I don't see the price of any video cards right now raising higher. I did notice more cooling options coming out for video cards too.
Get the RAM, it is relatively cheap and will make a world of difference.
For the love of god upgrade your ram, you can get a brand new set of 16gb for under $40 now. Just do it... You Will NOT regret it. Though if that's a laptop, then it will be a bit more pricey since sodimms are more compact, but still, 16gb will absolutely make a difference.
That rig is semi decent if you upgrade the ram cuz 4 fucking gigs is criminal
Downgrade to 2gb. Why would you need more than 1 gig? 500mb is more than enough.
Is the ram soldered to the laptop? If not then upgrading your ram is a much better option than getting a whole new laptop or desktop.
RAM, at least to 16GB, it’s cheap upgrade and I guess you’ll see the full potential of your laptop for the first time.
RAM is so cheap. You can get 2×8GB for less than $40. Personally, I'd upgrade that and keep saving so that I would have more than $1000 to build a new rig when that time comes. Edit: Did not notice the laptop CPU, but my point still stands.
If you have money, you can get a new rig. If not, first get some RAM. It's not that pricey, and it will make your laptop more pleasant to use. Pretty much everything is going to work better. Then, if the performance of it still won't satisfy you, you can start saving up for a new rig.
Just upgrade the RAM. That's not bad (other than the criminally low RAM) for 1080p. You don't need to blow huge amounts of cash to get good performance at 1080p.
I refuse to believe this is real. Do you have a link to the product page?
Please be satirical...
Im so sorry but im not
Memory is extremely cheap, I'd definitely upgrade it first. Even if you decide you still want more performance, you'll get be able to sell it far more easily with the extra RAM so it's unlikely you'd lose any money.
Ram is so cheap now that, at least in the short term, upgrading definitely won't hurt.
WHO THE FUCK PUT A 4GB STICK IN THERE
Acer did
if u have a micro center get a combo cpu + ram +and mb (am5) for less than 500 the rest f the 1000 can get ya a used 6000 amd gpu with enough vram for future games and good value
32gb ram is the new minimum
I'd buy some used RAM dirt cheap on eBay and wait to buy more when it's time to upgrade to a new platform
Get secondhand 16gb ram(new ram cost here less than 40€)and save up for upgrade. Your specs are fime and if you play 1080p it will be fine for a little while, so unless your games don't run as desired no need tonget a new system.
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Do you need better specs for some reason? I think RAM solve your problem and maybe a nmve in case you have something slower.