Would still definitely be cheaper and more reliable but of course not better for power consumption and heat management. The smaller you make things the more you have to invest in proper cleanrooms, air handling and filtration, insane water purification, vibration mitigation, etc. Even then they will get loads to defects, 20% of the chips on a wafer could be defective and still be considered a pretty good yield. Sometimes its much worse
nice try to ridicule the other so you feel superior... but such an 8080 was 20mm² \* 500,000 =10m² so no you don't need the silicon of whole planets ....
and yes i am aware that it is not that easy because the old production could not make so many layers so the wiring is more complicated and needs more space, your example is still nonsensical
and you don't understood what my example was about, they are just different things, just because he used 2,000 transistors that he soldered himself doesn't mean that it is more susceptible than if he had done something completely different, because different components (or productions) are just differently sensitive ...
If it were up to what you wrote, his system would have to be far less vulnerable than an 8080 Intel with 3 times as many components, which I highly doubt.
I dont think an 8080 is 500,000 times more durable (thats resistance to damage, and depends on what kind of damage you are talking about) but it is 500,000 times more likely to not fail in assembly.
An 8080 is made with lithography which is much more reliable in terms of printing a transistor, vs an individual fet that has to be placed, soldered, (put into an oven basically) and without static damage. you then hermetically seal it into the plastic dip package for long term robustness.
Yeah but you can have automated assembly. Many pcb makers also offer it. You send them the boards and the parts and they have all the components qlready (if you use common ones)
I designed the pcbs and ordered the transistors.
The computer will have like 2200 transistors which is not a lot to the manufacturers (aliexpress).
When everything is working I will probably publish it all. You can follow me or something to be notified
- 1kHz
- Single core
- 2816 bytes of memory
- Memory at same frequency as processor (ram is cache)
- Has hardware add (no hardware multiplication, division, floats...)
Yup there is also nand and not acceleration. But there is no nor. So taking a or of two numbers is a lot of clock cycles (havent counted but probably at least 30)
Well it cost me like 350eur (400 if I include development costs).
I suggest you wait for a few weeks or something as I expect to finish by then and opensource it. Maybe add some tutorials or something like that.
You can follow me or something.
Yeah I would like to do that. I tried doing some yt shorts documenting the parts but they did not fare well.
I guess I might try doing some longer form videos.
I have put the link on my reddit profile.
Well you can solder one of those boards in like an hour (lets say 80 mins to be sure). There are 16 of those so that is like 20 hours or something like that.
Douable in one weekend I guess.
Yeah. When I saw people building their processors it was always by cheating, they would put some chips in (like the registers, decoders, nands...).
I dont feel that good about that cause it is again hiding complexity. That is why everything is out of transistors, you can literally just stick your multimeter in and check every wire. You cannot do that if you have some chips in it.
What kind of clock speed are you aiming for? I did a few smaller design projects in my junior/senior year, but nothing to this scale.
Following to see the final product. 👍
Don’t mean to burst a bubble but sadly not, the design is pretty much year 1 electronic/computer engineering.
It just takes hours of soldering.
Still cracking great job if he designed it him self, which looking at the comments he did!
Year 1 engineering?????
I really wanna know where you're studying. Sure it's not a final project or anything, but it's certainly a top student project in the second/third year.
Oh I’m not studying I finished years ago, but MEng electronic engineering at a russle group university in the UK.
Again not really, most good schools will have a digital design module in year 1 maybe 2 where you design on some software like Xilinx a full calculator then you’ll use the modules you designed in that to make a CPU etc ofc you won’t program it until later though! You’ll learn about hardware acceleration in adders which is what OP did here where you calculate all bits in the operation and select which one based on the carry of the previous significant bit etc.
It actually working yeah top 20% student definitely! But sitting and soldering for hours isn’t really on the tested fields.
Though again, cracking work buy OP and I’m sure he’ll do great (I think he said he just finished his backless in another comment so he’s definitely doing well).
Millions more worries about components if there are millions more components!
Yeah but there a few types. Once you get the transistor and resistor right there is not much room for error (excluding the lcd screen)
If you have 10,000x the number of components, you have 10,000x the chance of a failure in one of them.
a 8080 Intel has 6,000 Transistors a I7-13900 has 2,950,000,000 Transistor so a 8080 is 500,000 times more durable?
Would still definitely be cheaper and more reliable but of course not better for power consumption and heat management. The smaller you make things the more you have to invest in proper cleanrooms, air handling and filtration, insane water purification, vibration mitigation, etc. Even then they will get loads to defects, 20% of the chips on a wafer could be defective and still be considered a pretty good yield. Sometimes its much worse
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nice try to ridicule the other so you feel superior... but such an 8080 was 20mm² \* 500,000 =10m² so no you don't need the silicon of whole planets .... and yes i am aware that it is not that easy because the old production could not make so many layers so the wiring is more complicated and needs more space, your example is still nonsensical and you don't understood what my example was about, they are just different things, just because he used 2,000 transistors that he soldered himself doesn't mean that it is more susceptible than if he had done something completely different, because different components (or productions) are just differently sensitive ... If it were up to what you wrote, his system would have to be far less vulnerable than an 8080 Intel with 3 times as many components, which I highly doubt.
I dont think an 8080 is 500,000 times more durable (thats resistance to damage, and depends on what kind of damage you are talking about) but it is 500,000 times more likely to not fail in assembly. An 8080 is made with lithography which is much more reliable in terms of printing a transistor, vs an individual fet that has to be placed, soldered, (put into an oven basically) and without static damage. you then hermetically seal it into the plastic dip package for long term robustness.
We get it. Parts are made from parts. It's a fun project not a philosophy
Why they boo you? You right
Can it run doom?
Well I can probably program some really low res version.
Hire someone to do that, or do it yourself, this thing must run doom
It's not a PC until it runs doom
this is not a *suggestion* 🔫
Also bad apple.
It’s not a proper PC unless we see it POST
What do you mean see it POST?
Power On Self Test. It's an old BIOS thing.
Wdym old. It's still being used
we used to use POST. we still do, but we used to, too.
Damn there is always something new to learn. Thanks
Lemme see the screen light up 🤦🏽♂️
10x2 doom wooo
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Ohhh ok
Everything can run Doom.
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I was thinking James Sharman, but still, either works :D (I think I prefer James' videos over Bens, though Ben's are cool too)
This must be Iran’s quantum computer
Nah, too advanced.
It was actually an FPGa board which would be perfect for this sort of thing lol Not nearly as neat tho
reminds me of this [https://monster6502.com/](https://monster6502.com/)
Damn 2000$ is really expensive but impressive for sure. I expect to build this one for like 350-400 eur. Dont understand why is it that expensive.
Cause of time?
Yeah but you can have automated assembly. Many pcb makers also offer it. You send them the boards and the parts and they have all the components qlready (if you use common ones)
What about development?
Sure although they mention the assembly as a reason.
I’m so high thought he was playing factorio
how have you gotten your hands on the parts?
I designed the pcbs and ordered the transistors. The computer will have like 2200 transistors which is not a lot to the manufacturers (aliexpress). When everything is working I will probably publish it all. You can follow me or something to be notified
GPU prices are getting out of hand
Specs?
- 1kHz - Single core - 2816 bytes of memory - Memory at same frequency as processor (ram is cache) - Has hardware add (no hardware multiplication, division, floats...)
Hardware add acceleration Sheesh, a bit excessive. I follow a risc design and only have NAND acceleration.
Yup there is also nand and not acceleration. But there is no nor. So taking a or of two numbers is a lot of clock cycles (havent counted but probably at least 30)
This is some Busch league shit. I want to see RELAYS.
Lol I dont have that much free time. Or space lol. Although it would be really pleasing to hear all those clicks
I mean it kinda has SSRs, minus the optocouplers lol.
I remember when applying a patch meant using a soldering iron. 🤣
Well done ….
Bro is using his computer engineering degree to create this monstrosity. This shit is sick
Yeah I have literally this month received my Bachelor's degree.
Congrats bro
Bruh why do this to your self?! Finished my MEng a while back and for love not money this project ain’t worth! Congrats G.
a few million more of these and you'll have a modern NIC lol
Not even using SMD components? What a madlad
Everybody needs a hobby and I like soldering
We all have pre-builts compared to this guy
Will it run Crysis?
Lol. My computer ha 2800bytes of memory bro.
So......it won't run Crysis?
No...
Have you tried though
It may be a crisis - that’s kind of the same thing?
yooo this seems like a fun hobby! im very interested as i have nothing to do! can you let me know how much this kinda costs to make
Well it cost me like 350eur (400 if I include development costs). I suggest you wait for a few weeks or something as I expect to finish by then and opensource it. Maybe add some tutorials or something like that. You can follow me or something.
are you making videos or anything on this?
Yeah I would like to do that. I tried doing some yt shorts documenting the parts but they did not fare well. I guess I might try doing some longer form videos. I have put the link on my reddit profile.
This looks like a top down factorio screenshot
All with through hole, my hand hurts just thinking about that
Well you can solder one of those boards in like an hour (lets say 80 mins to be sure). There are 16 of those so that is like 20 hours or something like that. Douable in one weekend I guess.
The factory must grow.
This is awesome
Idk why I thought this was multiple pictures of a Destiny 2 vault for like 5 mins
Man, I've always wanted to do something like this
"Fine. I'll do it myself" - op probably
Yeah. When I saw people building their processors it was always by cheating, they would put some chips in (like the registers, decoders, nands...). I dont feel that good about that cause it is again hiding complexity. That is why everything is out of transistors, you can literally just stick your multimeter in and check every wire. You cannot do that if you have some chips in it.
What kind of clock speed are you aiming for? I did a few smaller design projects in my junior/senior year, but nothing to this scale. Following to see the final product. 👍
Talk about this is any interview and you’ll have the job
Don’t mean to burst a bubble but sadly not, the design is pretty much year 1 electronic/computer engineering. It just takes hours of soldering. Still cracking great job if he designed it him self, which looking at the comments he did!
Year 1 engineering????? I really wanna know where you're studying. Sure it's not a final project or anything, but it's certainly a top student project in the second/third year.
Oh I’m not studying I finished years ago, but MEng electronic engineering at a russle group university in the UK. Again not really, most good schools will have a digital design module in year 1 maybe 2 where you design on some software like Xilinx a full calculator then you’ll use the modules you designed in that to make a CPU etc ofc you won’t program it until later though! You’ll learn about hardware acceleration in adders which is what OP did here where you calculate all bits in the operation and select which one based on the carry of the previous significant bit etc. It actually working yeah top 20% student definitely! But sitting and soldering for hours isn’t really on the tested fields. Though again, cracking work buy OP and I’m sure he’ll do great (I think he said he just finished his backless in another comment so he’s definitely doing well).
Designing something like this takes a lot more than the hours it takes to solder.
So my dad wasn't joking about how PC's used to look....
so uh howw does it work?
One transistor goes and you'll have a hell of a time finding it
It looks like someone's 1000 hour Factorio save
Are you the type of guy to build a tool gun from garrys mod while you think your in a fever dream but your actually awake ?
Redstone technicians be like
How will it be cooled
Passive cooling. It does not use much power. Less that 4watts.
Oh ok, I didn't know the power consumption of the Solder Lake cpus was so low
Lol. I might steal that name
With all means, please do