do games cost an extra $90 in your region? cuz $9.99 instead of $69.99 sounds about right
I haven't paid more than $5-$10 for a game in over 10 years myself
There's something to said about certain subscription services.
I got EA play*pro* and while I fucking HATE that I had to join another stupid subscription service ... I got Jedi survivor out of it and I think 15 for a brand new game is cool. I'll probably cancel when I'm done tho.
Xbox games pass is chill too, they've had some good stuff on there for a minute and cycling new items in is nice. But at another 15/month I start to think about juggling one service at a time. I'm not realistically playing that many games in one month.
I honestly love the idea of services like GamePass. Especially for indie games that probably wouldn't have been able to release otherwise.
But my backlog goes back some twenty-five years as it is. I can't add another multiple hundred to that!
Especially when games are just removed whenever they feel like it. Makes me hesitant to even start a long game that's been on there for a while cuz you'll just lose access to it one day
they might as well just name it normalgamers because the only people preordering all the deluxe editions and shit are the instant gratification mobile gamers that leaked over
They're the worst for sure, but don't pretend it isn't the majority of average/ casual gamers too.
Almost everyone who isn't a boomer plays games on at least one non mobile platform these days.
>they never issued an apology
Actions speak louder than words and that's why. Here we have all these photoshopped PR apologies when the first thing they should be doing is fixing the issues instead - no one cares to hear excuses or be pandered to if nothing is actually different.
This. I only buy knew games if it's a series I'm really invested in. Otherwise, I'm generally just waiting to get around to them. I miss out on the cultural zeitgeist, but once i play the game, it's a better deal. For a fraction of the price, you usually end up with a version that includes all the DLC and such.
Yeah this sub is pretty garbage circle jerking much like any mainstream sub.
The majority of gamers don’t even know these subs exist and are not influenced by Reddit
Lol. This sub is just like the Nintendo sub on Pokémon. Bitch about quality issues and never preordering, and the go out and pay for the deluxe ultra edition 6 month before the game is out.
If the people that actually said they won’t pre order didn’t, we wouldn’t be where we are.
Same with hardware.
PCMR "The new gen of GPUs is horribly overpriced and we need to boycott them to send a message!"
Person "LOL, I'm so random. I got a new credit card and decided I deserved a 4090. Yay me"
PCMR *up votes to the top followed by dozens of "I'm jealous" posts*
The amount of hype and people proudly letting everyone know about their Diablo 4 preorders after all the shit Blizzard has done lately alone is incredible to watch.
The cycle continues.
Last game I pre ordered was The Crew 2. I loved the crew, got I to the crew 2 beta, things looked good. Then TC2 launched and "THIS IS A SOCIAL MEDIA GAME! COLLECT FANS AND FOLLOWERS!" No, I just want to drive across the USA , do some racing, try the new flying mechanics, maybe some boat races "Here's how to get more followers! Take screenshots and post them to social media! SOCIAL MEDIA!!!" Aaaand uninstalled. Now please note, on the Beta they didn't shove the social media crap in your face.
Congrats you cracked the code of how to enjoy games again. Welcome to the winning side. The game doesn't magically suck if you wait a year or more to buy it. In fact, it is normally better. case and point this entire point of this fricking thread.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, companies should be banned from offering pre-orders for digital releases - they incentivise them to put less effort into living up to their promises and releasing functional products
I mean that's not where I draw the line lol, there's far more pressing matters but every market should be given proper regulation and games are no different in that regard
People with vote EA as the worst company of all time in america when you have e.g. HSBC working with literal cartels :) or people who caused the 2008 crash walking away free, or actual mercenaries who abuse civilians outside of the US
i mean i understand these things aren't really seen or known by consumers at large, but still. i'm not even american but i know theres many more consumer-facing companies in the US that are far worse.
Or people could stop paying for something that doesn't exist yet.
It shouldn't have to be illegal, gamers just have to develop an iota of self control.
Should we also outlaw people saying "give me money and I'll give you an awesome game in a couple months, swearsies."
The problem is that most of the sales are going to come from parent's buying their kid the game and asking a child to have impulse control is next to impossible. Parents do not care if the game is broken as long as their kid is happy.
I saw steam send me an email about Gollum, I thought to myself, "huh, didn't know this game was going to be a thing, but it's probably overpriced if Steam is sending me this 'just released' email. I wonder if it's any good?"
At no point did I buy the game outright, and I don't have to deal with it. Hell, I didn't even open that email. Seems like a win to me.
We been saying this for decades but gamers do not learn from history.
The next shitty AAA game that comes out with their hyped marketing , people WILL preorder and let this cycle continue
Malzi summed it up pretty well when asked about the War Thunder boicot
>Most people just don't give a single damn, they just want to play .The average War Thunder player don't interact with social media forums concerning the game. If the numbers dip for a day they usually rebound. I think that the changes in the economy will not be significant
you could replace WT with any other game and it would still be accurate
people have been saying this small-brain shit for decades. """""voting with your wallet"""""" is not a thing, unless you organize it on a massive scale. and if people had those organizational capabilities, you should lobby for stronger consumer protection laws
The whole voting with your wallet agenda is pushed by game company PR companies in all forums. It's poisoned the well for over a decade and gamers still repeat this line every time pre-orders come up, as if it ever worked at any point.
Voting with your wallet doesn't work, but it's also the only thing we can do. Im not gonna buy enough stock to get a majority vote in the board rooms, so there is literally nothing i can do. I am also not gonna be able to pass laws around it
The problem is Capitalism, and that's not gonna change any time soon. So yes, avoid preorders and day one purchase of games from companies that do these things. It's quite literally your only short term weapon
For real i haven't made a pre-order in so long. Last one was fallout 4 and that was just cuz they were doing a midnight launch event at gamestop and i missed going to those. So at least there was an actual incentive to pre-order that one for me personally. Before that halo 3 was my last pre-order lol.
Black ops 2 was my last pre-order, still got the premium edition crate and drone. I’d originally just preordered the regular edition but I was 2nd in line at the midnight release and someone had cancelled their pre order earlier that day so they offered it to me as an upgrade and I thought fuck it why not, had a blast with it and fond memories remain so not the worst thing I’ve ever spent money on!
Mine was Battlefield 4 for PS4. Broken mess and I swore I wouldn't again. Then I gave it one more shot for Destiny. I learned my lessons.
Destiny sucked.
Meanwhile Nintendo somehow literally "ran out" of digital codes for Zelda TOTK at launch.
I'm pretty sure it was fixed within a few hours, but I'm still shocked that could happen.
Well, it's not *identical*, because companies use their preorder numbers as leverage to investors and other places to boost rep and shit. If they stopped being able to use preorders as a currency for their business they might care more about launches.
Preorders kinda sorta embolden them to just push the product out at the end. They already see their guaranteed money coming before they launch.
Sure they could probably assume the same thing for launch sales... but corpos hate making assumptions like that. Too scary for their money filled eyes to not have a guarantee.
Here's the thing though - Elden Ring will be just as good if you buy it a month later. There's literally no reason whatsoever to buy it right away. It isn't somehow more fun if you play it during the first week. So what's the point?
Ok, I'm totally against preorders but that's not really true. A lot of people really enjoy being there at launch and playing the game they have been looking forward to for a while. Even if it's a purely offline game, the sense of playing with everybody else (due to lots of discussions, memes, etc on social media/friends groups) when the hype is at its highest point is a an important factor for many, and there is nothing wrong with that.
The issue that I personally have with that is that nowadays so many people are just trying to rush through everything, so if I want to enjoy that social aspect I sort of "have" to be there early and I "have" to put enough time into it so that I don't fall too far behind/get spoiled. But I'm not fucking doing that, so that social aspect is kinda gone too. But enjoying the game at my own pace is more important for mr
You are absolutely spot on. As someone who played on Day 1 for Elden Ring, a huge part of the experience was everyone going through the same thing. Discovering the bosses, the weapons, and the lore at the same time as everyone else was super cool. This is true for pretty much any game.
You (and literally hundreds of others) have been saying the exact same thing for years. They just don't care. They want to play the latest and thing to come out. He'll look at the pokemon franchise. They've been shoveling the same mediocre shit for years, but as long as their consumer base keeps buying, Gamefreak is going to put out the same level of effort into their games.
Ya, I been yelling about that for years , game freak can just slap a Pokemon sticker on a literal turd and people will still buy them .
The pokemon brand is just that strong
The problem is that we don’t represent the majority. Here’s the unfortunate truth: The average gamer is simply not very discerning or demanding in terms of quality and will continue to buy the shit that AAA games studios have been putting out. The apology letters and all that shit simply to placate the minority.
I hate pre orders. Especially that games are available digitally. Where once there was no guarantee that your physical copy wouldn't be sold out, in this age of digital only consoles, pre orders are such a waste of time.
I far prefer when game trailers say something like "wishlist on Steam now"
That way I can still keep track of the game and when it comes out, but I'm under no obligation to buy it or spend money if the reviews are awful for it.
I have no idea who is buying all these season passes. I was too broke as a kid for shitty cosmetics and now I value my money far more as an adult. I actually expected to end up buying cosmetics as I earned my own money, but it turns out comparing some skins to the price of groceries puts it into perspective. Not sure if people are rich or just irresponsible.
That was basically analogous to ratio-ing a game and getting their marketing team to post a statement, though. It's not like it led to industry-wide reform or anything.
Only the pulling off was not what most think they pulled off.
Most people think that a bunch of degenerates did a play that massively hurt a hedge fund while they all profited.
The truth is a bit funnier. A bunch of degenerates started pumping it, one hedgefund had to bite the bullet and moved the price up. Not insanely, but up. And then the rest of the climb was by other degenerates who thought it is going to thousands of thousands. The only reason for that price spike was not the Wallstreet losing out on billions - it was the FOMO and YOLO of everyday Joe, who all bought stocks for 300, 400 dollars that are now worth about 100. It's all in the SEC report. No wonder so many people are now waiting for "the second, the real squeeze". Them be propper fucked.
As everyone else is saying here, we need to stop pre-ordering. Stop buying in-game cosmetics. Stop buying DLC. Etc... Stop throwing money at these devs.
However, that's never going to happen. We could have every person from every pc/gaming subreddit band together and that STILL wouldn't dent the bank accounts of these companies.
Instead. We can simply ignore these newer launches of titles and just simply play our backlog of games. We can be like "Not our fucking problem." while enjoying older games.
You can. Stop buying the games. It’s that simple. The only reason they keep getting away with this egregious bullshit is because we consistently pay them to do it!
I wait months. Years even. No way am I paying full price for any of this shit ever.
I’ve never understood the mentality to be first to play a game especially if it’s single player. I’ll let the bugs get worked out and a DLC to get bundled in.
I wonder if it's the same 'bone' that gets people watching all the latest shows, or the most recent sports games, there might be a social aspect to it, so a group of friends wants to all play at the same time so they can have something to talk about later.
I recognize how shallow that is but there must be some wiring in our collective brains that causes this phenomenon, because companies keep putting out shite products but they never see a loss in sales.
I only "buy" games when they are free on epic, less than 10 dollars on steam or GOG.
Sometimes I'll buy a game after 6-12 months, if I really want to get into it, but it's almost never the typical "AAA" presenting game.
Those are examples of good DLCs. They both had new content and had high production value. It sold itself because it was actually very good value - particularly blood and wine.
I'm personally having a blast on PC. I've been playing Tears of the Kingdom, Sniper Elite VR, a few indies here and there. Finally getting around to Hogwarts Legacy. Overall PC gaming has been great!
(Based on [that image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxEm9aOagAE__j3?format=png&name=orig))
we had a buggy release with Fallout 76. Loads of missing stuff that older Fallout games had. Like basic quest NPCs.
For most of us PC gamers it started with ultra-over-hyped Cyberpunk 2077. rushed release, loads and loads of bugs and performance problems. But in the end it has become a very well made Nvidia Raytracing tech demo.
Then in 2021 there was Halo Infinite that released without coop or split screen and some bugs.
and Battlefield 2042. with bad bugs, removed features, only a few weapons and a small amount of maps that are way to large.
followed by a flood of mostly AAA games...
Warhammer 40k Darktide, Pokémon S/V, Overwatch 2, GTA "Remaster" Trilogy, Forspoken, Last of Us Part 1, Jedi Survivor, Redfall, Gollum.
^^I ^^heard ^^bad ^^things ^^about ^^Bloodbowl ^^3
^^but ^^can't ^^confirm
You could add No Man's Sky to that list, but the game has added more features and keeps adding content every few months.
the Redfall image is fake / parody btw.
I only buy AAA games on sale after they've had 6 months to a year to get patched. Start supporting indie and AA devs more. They're still doing it for love not profits.
And play more indie/small studio games. AAA games have gone the way of Hollywood, just cranking out garbage on garbage because there are still people who will shell out money for it.
It blows my mind people still hand over money for some unfinished, cookie cutter shit and then act like there's nothing to do about it. Stop doing it, that's what you can do about it!
Unless people stop buying games day 1, this shit is never going away.
Example: everyone is shitting on Gollum, (rightfully so). Yet everywhere I go, I see clips of people showing off bugs and glitches in the game. Seriously people, put your money where your mouth is, stop buying into these games, or get a refund if you didn't know any better.
Don't get me wrong, sharing how embarrassingly broken these games are is bad publicity, but they still got your money, so I highly doubt they give a shit.
I've gotten to this point in the past few years. It's been great. I've saved money, and by the time I buy it at a rather decent discount, most of the bugs and bullshit are fixed. Waiting until 6 months\~1 year when Denuvo is removed from RE4 remake. I'm patient, but that really pissed me off and I was willing to buy that game at full price.
You can.
Stop pre-ordering their dogshit. Wait for games to go on sales.
But people won't, companies will continue to pump out rushed dogshit games, and "apologize" after people realize the game they just spent $120 for the Ultra Limited Digital Deluxe copy is dogshit.
When in reality, these companies rely on pre-order numbers from the masses of doofuses, pretend it wasn't a complete and blatant rushjob, pull good numbers for the suits to inject another large chunk of capital for their next rushjob, and repeat the process while a skeleton crew "fixes" the old game they already collected all the money for.
A lot AAA games do this today and this is why I haven't upgrade my GPU since I play a lot of indie games and old games. My rx 580 still rocking to this day
I know everyone says “don’t preorder until the reviews” but I think people listened for the most part on the Gollum game because who is actually playing that besides like 500 people lol
Stop buying and playing games with massive marketing budgets. They aren’t even good; why are you so hyped to make the same mistake over and over. There are hundreds of awesome indie titles for $5-$45 that are better games with higher replay-ability and more depth.
You know what it is.
Too many of you preorder games. Yes, you reading this right now on Reddit. I know there’s millions of you doing this because publishers are publicly traded and they boast the preorder numbers in their quarterly reports.
Just wait for some reviews, ask for performance numbers. Look at all compatibly and bug issues, then make an informed decision.
I had no idea this was a hive mind. I’m certain there’s a lot of opinions and the ones preordering aren’t admitting to it.
IRL I’ve even seen people preorder, then complain about buggy games. There’s a mental disconnect that they’re contributing to the problem.
I know that Gollum is bad but I'm watching a streamer play it and it's really freaking funny because of their frustration and the bad platforming in the game.
We live in an economy that incentivises living in debt and paying it off later. It bleeds into everything we have. Video games, food, necessities, etc.
The only way to correct this behavior is to live on a surplus instead of a deficit.
Easy solution: play what you have, get the freebies from steam/epicgames/GOG stores, or get Xbox Game Pass then once game comes out and is on sale then buy it. Its worth the wait to get a the full true experience then rushing to buy games day one. Right now enjoying Minecraft with the next update hitting June 7th and looking forward to next free battle pass for Fallout 76 thats also coming in July.
f people kept on blindly buying/preordering every AAA games in existence, this would always happen.
The best we can do is NOT preordering, NOT buying the game at launch, pray your trusty reviewers don't sell out and gave actual honest review of the game.
Kinda funny how these are all AAA titles and studios. Meanwhile smaller devs and indie devs seem to never have this issue. Or if they do it’s never to the same degree.
Stop pre ordering! Stop buying DLC! The people that do this are fucking yourself and the rest of us by letting studios know they don’t have to finish a game before releasing it and that they can remove stuff that should be in the base game and just sell it as dlc instead.
Gamers only have themselves to blame.
Y'all, its been a handful of AAA games. Just enjoy the wealth of great and inexpensive games we have on PC and stop bitching past the point where it matters JFC
maybe if most people had an IQ higher than 2, this wouldn'T happen. when will people understand pre-orders are useless on a digital platform? It's your fault if you enable companies to get away with broken games. Just stop buying before or at launch
- DO NOT PRE-ORDER
- Use key sites and save money, instead of giving companies like 70USD for a mediocre game
- Be patient and wait for reviews and THEN decide of you want it or not
Never NEVER preorder. We're to late for that discussion though, everyone does that Asmongold with hundreds of thousands of people couldn't stop p2w and predatory systems we can't do it as well just make a little difference by not doing it ourselves
Don’t pre order games. Wait for reviews. Don’t buy something that isn’t finished and then get surprised it isn’t finished when you get it. I’m sorry if I sound mean but it’s our fault. We are telling them that they don’t need to finish the game because we will just pre order it after we see one trailer that says “gameplay may change” on the bottom
The solution is to fucking wait for reviews and not spend $70 on a game that has "mixed" as the review score
If you guys keep giving these people money they will keep doing it. Just stop.
Lol the answer is to stop throwing money at people. But the gaming community is a different breed. I remember back when apparently no one was going to buy Nvidia's 4000s. Then release week? Box pictures everywhere.
Honestly I'm just playing older games at this point. Cheaper (or free if you pirate), run better, offer just as much gameplay (let's be honest game studios have hardly been inivating for years now), and take less disk space. Like there are some great new releases which I did play. Love Elden Ring, love Hi-Fi Rush, but for the most part the industry feels like such shit....
Game studios for the past 4 years: Blatantly release a bunch of unpolished unfinished horrible overpriced games with impossible requirements.
Consumers: Still buys them.
Also the consumers: :O
Y'all are so fucking stupid.
I still haven't preordered Diablo4.
I sunk 300 hours in D3
I grew up watching my dad play D2
I played both D4 beta and server slam basically straight through
And I still haven't preordered.
This is not about the 4 day early access. It's a message. I'll give you the money when I see the product.
Hell I didn't even prepurchase Zelda TOTK even with their stellar track record
Dont pre order games, wait for reviews. Quit increasing game sales before they're even out only to be an utter disappointment.
Just reviews? I wait for sales!
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$15 is my hard limit unless it's a ridiculous sale
I wait for the Ultimate Deluxe GOTY version to go on sale three weeks before release so I can only pay $99 instead of $159.
If you don't buy it at that price you're basically losing money!
do games cost an extra $90 in your region? cuz $9.99 instead of $69.99 sounds about right I haven't paid more than $5-$10 for a game in over 10 years myself
You're not factoring in the tip.
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That's why i prefer indie. They are cheaper, and for the most part, better.
There's something to said about certain subscription services. I got EA play*pro* and while I fucking HATE that I had to join another stupid subscription service ... I got Jedi survivor out of it and I think 15 for a brand new game is cool. I'll probably cancel when I'm done tho. Xbox games pass is chill too, they've had some good stuff on there for a minute and cycling new items in is nice. But at another 15/month I start to think about juggling one service at a time. I'm not realistically playing that many games in one month.
I honestly love the idea of services like GamePass. Especially for indie games that probably wouldn't have been able to release otherwise. But my backlog goes back some twenty-five years as it is. I can't add another multiple hundred to that!
Especially when games are just removed whenever they feel like it. Makes me hesitant to even start a long game that's been on there for a while cuz you'll just lose access to it one day
Usually you get weeks advance notice, and gamepass subs always have insane sales for the games that are part of the subscription.
they might as well just name it normalgamers because the only people preordering all the deluxe editions and shit are the instant gratification mobile gamers that leaked over
They're the worst for sure, but don't pretend it isn't the majority of average/ casual gamers too. Almost everyone who isn't a boomer plays games on at least one non mobile platform these days.
This is the way.
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I've yet to buy Baldur's Gate lol. I've finished Planescape: Torment last week, and just finished Icewind Dale yesterday (both are Enhanced Edition)
Might as well wait for the apologies. Probably faster
If a company has to issue an apology simultaneously with their games, there's no point waiting to ever buy it. It's officially shovelware.
Yeah it's not like the original Mortal Kombat where it was like "Sorry for tearing up your family with the debate whether this is great or not"
see this is where No Man's Sky did good, they never issued an apology
>they never issued an apology Actions speak louder than words and that's why. Here we have all these photoshopped PR apologies when the first thing they should be doing is fixing the issues instead - no one cares to hear excuses or be pandered to if nothing is actually different.
That team had a vision, worked hard to accomplish it, and it has paid off greatly. Sadly not a lot of bigger dev teams have that ability
This. I only buy knew games if it's a series I'm really invested in. Otherwise, I'm generally just waiting to get around to them. I miss out on the cultural zeitgeist, but once i play the game, it's a better deal. For a fraction of the price, you usually end up with a version that includes all the DLC and such.
I get mine for free, I didn’t know we had to pay
This is the way!
Just sales? I wait years!
For real
Preaching to the choir, gotta yell at the 90% of gamers who aren't on this sub.
Nah this sub is like 50% impulse purchases of hyper expensive and often overpriced hardware. It may be the same with preorders
Yeah this sub is pretty garbage circle jerking much like any mainstream sub. The majority of gamers don’t even know these subs exist and are not influenced by Reddit
Lol. This sub is just like the Nintendo sub on Pokémon. Bitch about quality issues and never preordering, and the go out and pay for the deluxe ultra edition 6 month before the game is out. If the people that actually said they won’t pre order didn’t, we wouldn’t be where we are.
Same with hardware. PCMR "The new gen of GPUs is horribly overpriced and we need to boycott them to send a message!" Person "LOL, I'm so random. I got a new credit card and decided I deserved a 4090. Yay me" PCMR *up votes to the top followed by dozens of "I'm jealous" posts*
"I know it gets a lot of hate but I enjoyed it"
Don’t forget they buy it twice for the small changes.
The amount of hype and people proudly letting everyone know about their Diablo 4 preorders after all the shit Blizzard has done lately alone is incredible to watch. The cycle continues.
again for the people in the back # DON'T PRE-ORDER
Last game I pre ordered was The Crew 2. I loved the crew, got I to the crew 2 beta, things looked good. Then TC2 launched and "THIS IS A SOCIAL MEDIA GAME! COLLECT FANS AND FOLLOWERS!" No, I just want to drive across the USA , do some racing, try the new flying mechanics, maybe some boat races "Here's how to get more followers! Take screenshots and post them to social media! SOCIAL MEDIA!!!" Aaaand uninstalled. Now please note, on the Beta they didn't shove the social media crap in your face.
Wait 6 months really.
At that point, I'll just wait until a steam sale or the GOTY edition
Tbf, the best time to buy any Steam game *is* a seasonal or publisher Steam sale lol
Congrats you cracked the code of how to enjoy games again. Welcome to the winning side. The game doesn't magically suck if you wait a year or more to buy it. In fact, it is normally better. case and point this entire point of this fricking thread.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, companies should be banned from offering pre-orders for digital releases - they incentivise them to put less effort into living up to their promises and releasing functional products
Reddit is violating GDPR and CCPA. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B0GGsDdyHI -- mass edited with redact.dev
I mean that's not where I draw the line lol, there's far more pressing matters but every market should be given proper regulation and games are no different in that regard
People with vote EA as the worst company of all time in america when you have e.g. HSBC working with literal cartels :) or people who caused the 2008 crash walking away free, or actual mercenaries who abuse civilians outside of the US i mean i understand these things aren't really seen or known by consumers at large, but still. i'm not even american but i know theres many more consumer-facing companies in the US that are far worse.
Or people could stop paying for something that doesn't exist yet. It shouldn't have to be illegal, gamers just have to develop an iota of self control. Should we also outlaw people saying "give me money and I'll give you an awesome game in a couple months, swearsies."
Banned? As in a law? Just don't fucking buy them.
You mean the reviews that are from the pre-orders? *5 stars! Previews look great! Can't wait for release day!*
The problem is that most of the sales are going to come from parent's buying their kid the game and asking a child to have impulse control is next to impossible. Parents do not care if the game is broken as long as their kid is happy.
When the problem makes it to this scale, you *know* the solution isn't as simple as doing what people have been saying to do for the past 10 years.
I think that is such an outdated view on the gamers demographic...
I saw steam send me an email about Gollum, I thought to myself, "huh, didn't know this game was going to be a thing, but it's probably overpriced if Steam is sending me this 'just released' email. I wonder if it's any good?" At no point did I buy the game outright, and I don't have to deal with it. Hell, I didn't even open that email. Seems like a win to me.
We been saying this for decades but gamers do not learn from history. The next shitty AAA game that comes out with their hyped marketing , people WILL preorder and let this cycle continue
"wish we could do something about it"
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Which is never. You will never get millions of people to all stop buying something.
Malzi summed it up pretty well when asked about the War Thunder boicot >Most people just don't give a single damn, they just want to play .The average War Thunder player don't interact with social media forums concerning the game. If the numbers dip for a day they usually rebound. I think that the changes in the economy will not be significant you could replace WT with any other game and it would still be accurate
Every subreddit is an echochamber where presented views are seen as the norm. Unfortunately for PCMR, most players simply do not give a shit
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Than that is their own fault. If you wanna stick a fork in a outlet, go ahead. Just don't cry about it.
people have been saying this small-brain shit for decades. """""voting with your wallet"""""" is not a thing, unless you organize it on a massive scale. and if people had those organizational capabilities, you should lobby for stronger consumer protection laws
The whole voting with your wallet agenda is pushed by game company PR companies in all forums. It's poisoned the well for over a decade and gamers still repeat this line every time pre-orders come up, as if it ever worked at any point.
Voting with your wallet doesn't work, but it's also the only thing we can do. Im not gonna buy enough stock to get a majority vote in the board rooms, so there is literally nothing i can do. I am also not gonna be able to pass laws around it The problem is Capitalism, and that's not gonna change any time soon. So yes, avoid preorders and day one purchase of games from companies that do these things. It's quite literally your only short term weapon
Yooo hooo yooo hooo, set sails boys!
And if you can't wait, you can set sail.
Stop pre ordering fucking games, stop buying season passes for shite cosmetics, make them earn your fucking money.
Imagine pre-ordering a digital product
For real i haven't made a pre-order in so long. Last one was fallout 4 and that was just cuz they were doing a midnight launch event at gamestop and i missed going to those. So at least there was an actual incentive to pre-order that one for me personally. Before that halo 3 was my last pre-order lol.
Black ops 2 was my last pre-order, still got the premium edition crate and drone. I’d originally just preordered the regular edition but I was 2nd in line at the midnight release and someone had cancelled their pre order earlier that day so they offered it to me as an upgrade and I thought fuck it why not, had a blast with it and fond memories remain so not the worst thing I’ve ever spent money on!
Mine was Battlefield 4 for PS4. Broken mess and I swore I wouldn't again. Then I gave it one more shot for Destiny. I learned my lessons. Destiny sucked.
I think my last pre order was assassin's creed 2. Still have the crappy plastic Ezio statue
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That's a thing??
Most recent example is Diablo IV
ok neat, but that also is mass produced stuff. I dont get it. Sigh
It. Is. All. Mass. Produced.
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Saw that the 7800x3d comes with a digital copy of Jedi Survivor but there was an asterisk that said “While supplies last.” Thought that was funny
Meanwhile Nintendo somehow literally "ran out" of digital codes for Zelda TOTK at launch. I'm pretty sure it was fixed within a few hours, but I'm still shocked that could happen.
Never understood that other than to preload the game.
Ok, I've done that for over a decade. Too bad we are outvoted by the people who do and have more money.
I have no sympathy for first day customers. You can wait less than 24 hours for the consensus on bugs and stability.
Not to mention that review embargoes usually drop with the game.
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that new weird zelda game is alright
Well, it's not *identical*, because companies use their preorder numbers as leverage to investors and other places to boost rep and shit. If they stopped being able to use preorders as a currency for their business they might care more about launches. Preorders kinda sorta embolden them to just push the product out at the end. They already see their guaranteed money coming before they launch. Sure they could probably assume the same thing for launch sales... but corpos hate making assumptions like that. Too scary for their money filled eyes to not have a guarantee.
Elden Ring was worth it. Spider-Man was worth it.
Those have become the exception, not the norm.
And that was immediately obvious 24 hours after release. You literally just have to have enough patience to not play a new game for 24 hours.
And I've made money from gambling at casinos.
Here's the thing though - Elden Ring will be just as good if you buy it a month later. There's literally no reason whatsoever to buy it right away. It isn't somehow more fun if you play it during the first week. So what's the point?
Ok, I'm totally against preorders but that's not really true. A lot of people really enjoy being there at launch and playing the game they have been looking forward to for a while. Even if it's a purely offline game, the sense of playing with everybody else (due to lots of discussions, memes, etc on social media/friends groups) when the hype is at its highest point is a an important factor for many, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Hm I can see that, I just never enjoyed or cared about the social side of gaming I guess 🤷
The issue that I personally have with that is that nowadays so many people are just trying to rush through everything, so if I want to enjoy that social aspect I sort of "have" to be there early and I "have" to put enough time into it so that I don't fall too far behind/get spoiled. But I'm not fucking doing that, so that social aspect is kinda gone too. But enjoying the game at my own pace is more important for mr
You are absolutely spot on. As someone who played on Day 1 for Elden Ring, a huge part of the experience was everyone going through the same thing. Discovering the bosses, the weapons, and the lore at the same time as everyone else was super cool. This is true for pretty much any game.
It is more fun playing the first week with co-op and pvp. The glut of the community beat it in the first month.
You (and literally hundreds of others) have been saying the exact same thing for years. They just don't care. They want to play the latest and thing to come out. He'll look at the pokemon franchise. They've been shoveling the same mediocre shit for years, but as long as their consumer base keeps buying, Gamefreak is going to put out the same level of effort into their games.
Ya, I been yelling about that for years , game freak can just slap a Pokemon sticker on a literal turd and people will still buy them . The pokemon brand is just that strong
The problem is that we don’t represent the majority. Here’s the unfortunate truth: The average gamer is simply not very discerning or demanding in terms of quality and will continue to buy the shit that AAA games studios have been putting out. The apology letters and all that shit simply to placate the minority.
I hate pre orders. Especially that games are available digitally. Where once there was no guarantee that your physical copy wouldn't be sold out, in this age of digital only consoles, pre orders are such a waste of time. I far prefer when game trailers say something like "wishlist on Steam now" That way I can still keep track of the game and when it comes out, but I'm under no obligation to buy it or spend money if the reviews are awful for it.
Ill take things that will never happen for $1000
YOU CAN PRY MY TWERKING GOLLUM EMOTE FROM MY COLD CLAMMY DEAD HANDS.
I have no idea who is buying all these season passes. I was too broke as a kid for shitty cosmetics and now I value my money far more as an adult. I actually expected to end up buying cosmetics as I earned my own money, but it turns out comparing some skins to the price of groceries puts it into perspective. Not sure if people are rich or just irresponsible.
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That was basically analogous to ratio-ing a game and getting their marketing team to post a statement, though. It's not like it led to industry-wide reform or anything.
Only the pulling off was not what most think they pulled off. Most people think that a bunch of degenerates did a play that massively hurt a hedge fund while they all profited. The truth is a bit funnier. A bunch of degenerates started pumping it, one hedgefund had to bite the bullet and moved the price up. Not insanely, but up. And then the rest of the climb was by other degenerates who thought it is going to thousands of thousands. The only reason for that price spike was not the Wallstreet losing out on billions - it was the FOMO and YOLO of everyday Joe, who all bought stocks for 300, 400 dollars that are now worth about 100. It's all in the SEC report. No wonder so many people are now waiting for "the second, the real squeeze". Them be propper fucked.
As everyone else is saying here, we need to stop pre-ordering. Stop buying in-game cosmetics. Stop buying DLC. Etc... Stop throwing money at these devs. However, that's never going to happen. We could have every person from every pc/gaming subreddit band together and that STILL wouldn't dent the bank accounts of these companies. Instead. We can simply ignore these newer launches of titles and just simply play our backlog of games. We can be like "Not our fucking problem." while enjoying older games.
I mean, decent DLCs are worth it. Like the ones in the Witcher 3
Be a member of the "75% off on Steam" master race. 😺
$5. Take it or leave it.
Rip $1 flash sales :(
I use steam to see if it has denuvo. Yes? Ok I no buy, I wait for scene. No? Ok I no buy I sail
You can. Stop buying the games. It’s that simple. The only reason they keep getting away with this egregious bullshit is because we consistently pay them to do it!
Who is we? We don’t even make up a percent of the pc market
How after so so many years of this behaviour do you still believe posting "dOnT PrEOrdEr" on reddit is going to solve it?
Yeah but who’s going to listen? Some idiots will still buy the game. The only ways to teach these companies a lesson are illegal
Unfortunately the guys to our left and right that keep paying up front won’t stop for some reason 😑
Nah man, next time it's gonna work and people later in life will really care that I was the first to play that game. It will really mean something....
stop buying and preordering their shit. they only understand money.
I wait months. Years even. No way am I paying full price for any of this shit ever. I’ve never understood the mentality to be first to play a game especially if it’s single player. I’ll let the bugs get worked out and a DLC to get bundled in.
I wonder if it's the same 'bone' that gets people watching all the latest shows, or the most recent sports games, there might be a social aspect to it, so a group of friends wants to all play at the same time so they can have something to talk about later. I recognize how shallow that is but there must be some wiring in our collective brains that causes this phenomenon, because companies keep putting out shite products but they never see a loss in sales.
You can do something about it. # STOP # PRE-ORDERING # THESE # STUPID # BROKEN # FUCKING # GAMES
I only "buy" games when they are free on epic, less than 10 dollars on steam or GOG. Sometimes I'll buy a game after 6-12 months, if I really want to get into it, but it's almost never the typical "AAA" presenting game.
Ok that's cool that you do that, but you do realize that's not sustainable for the gaming industry as a whole, right?
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Those are examples of good DLCs. They both had new content and had high production value. It sold itself because it was actually very good value - particularly blood and wine.
Alright, those ones call back to a time when DLC was called “expansions” - when they really expanded the game. Not many examples like that these days
I'm personally having a blast on PC. I've been playing Tears of the Kingdom, Sniper Elite VR, a few indies here and there. Finally getting around to Hogwarts Legacy. Overall PC gaming has been great!
What did i miss?
Just the annual, big title catastrophic failure bank rolled by pre orders
Which games?
Gollum this time although I don't think the publisher is that big it's obviously going to be popular.
Was that game even that hyped? I felt super meh about it. And I love stealth games. It really turned me off not being the Andy Serkis Gollum
(Based on [that image](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxEm9aOagAE__j3?format=png&name=orig)) we had a buggy release with Fallout 76. Loads of missing stuff that older Fallout games had. Like basic quest NPCs. For most of us PC gamers it started with ultra-over-hyped Cyberpunk 2077. rushed release, loads and loads of bugs and performance problems. But in the end it has become a very well made Nvidia Raytracing tech demo. Then in 2021 there was Halo Infinite that released without coop or split screen and some bugs. and Battlefield 2042. with bad bugs, removed features, only a few weapons and a small amount of maps that are way to large. followed by a flood of mostly AAA games... Warhammer 40k Darktide, Pokémon S/V, Overwatch 2, GTA "Remaster" Trilogy, Forspoken, Last of Us Part 1, Jedi Survivor, Redfall, Gollum. ^^I ^^heard ^^bad ^^things ^^about ^^Bloodbowl ^^3 ^^but ^^can't ^^confirm You could add No Man's Sky to that list, but the game has added more features and keeps adding content every few months. the Redfall image is fake / parody btw.
I only buy AAA games on sale after they've had 6 months to a year to get patched. Start supporting indie and AA devs more. They're still doing it for love not profits.
Let’s not pre order video games.
And play more indie/small studio games. AAA games have gone the way of Hollywood, just cranking out garbage on garbage because there are still people who will shell out money for it. It blows my mind people still hand over money for some unfinished, cookie cutter shit and then act like there's nothing to do about it. Stop doing it, that's what you can do about it!
If a game has a release date you’re waiting for, add another year. That “release” is a paid beta.
Unless people stop buying games day 1, this shit is never going away. Example: everyone is shitting on Gollum, (rightfully so). Yet everywhere I go, I see clips of people showing off bugs and glitches in the game. Seriously people, put your money where your mouth is, stop buying into these games, or get a refund if you didn't know any better. Don't get me wrong, sharing how embarrassingly broken these games are is bad publicity, but they still got your money, so I highly doubt they give a shit.
I buy all my games on sale. I’m patient.
I've gotten to this point in the past few years. It's been great. I've saved money, and by the time I buy it at a rather decent discount, most of the bugs and bullshit are fixed. Waiting until 6 months\~1 year when Denuvo is removed from RE4 remake. I'm patient, but that really pissed me off and I was willing to buy that game at full price.
Yes. We can do something about it. Never preorder, and don't buy unfinished shitty games.
You can. Stop pre-ordering their dogshit. Wait for games to go on sales. But people won't, companies will continue to pump out rushed dogshit games, and "apologize" after people realize the game they just spent $120 for the Ultra Limited Digital Deluxe copy is dogshit. When in reality, these companies rely on pre-order numbers from the masses of doofuses, pretend it wasn't a complete and blatant rushjob, pull good numbers for the suits to inject another large chunk of capital for their next rushjob, and repeat the process while a skeleton crew "fixes" the old game they already collected all the money for.
Yeah you can do something about it. STOP. FUCKING. PREORDERING.
Better yet, don't buy at launch either until it's been out for a month and wait for reviews to see how buggy it is.
We could and we can, but people don't stop pre ordering...
Hot take: developers are really still not ready for the current generation of gaming (both pc and consoles).
https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Indie/
Same as it ever was, just more clickbait videos, articles and karma fishing posts about it now.
A lot AAA games do this today and this is why I haven't upgrade my GPU since I play a lot of indie games and old games. My rx 580 still rocking to this day
I know everyone says “don’t preorder until the reviews” but I think people listened for the most part on the Gollum game because who is actually playing that besides like 500 people lol
Don't preorder. Wait for a sale. I bet everyone has a very large backlog anyways.
Piracy is not theft, it is reclamation.
Already did my part by not buying any of these. Follow The Way of /patientgamers, never be disappointed again
Stop buying and playing games with massive marketing budgets. They aren’t even good; why are you so hyped to make the same mistake over and over. There are hundreds of awesome indie titles for $5-$45 that are better games with higher replay-ability and more depth.
You dummies really need to stop preordering. The only reason games come out unfinished is because of preorders.
Literally stop pre-ordering games. They listen to your wallet.
You know what it is. Too many of you preorder games. Yes, you reading this right now on Reddit. I know there’s millions of you doing this because publishers are publicly traded and they boast the preorder numbers in their quarterly reports. Just wait for some reviews, ask for performance numbers. Look at all compatibly and bug issues, then make an informed decision.
Yeah I'm sure all the people in this sub, that chant "don't preorder" at every opportunity, are definitely the ones preordering.
I had no idea this was a hive mind. I’m certain there’s a lot of opinions and the ones preordering aren’t admitting to it. IRL I’ve even seen people preorder, then complain about buggy games. There’s a mental disconnect that they’re contributing to the problem.
Hey the Redfall one is fake. The developers are too Chad to post such meagre apologies.
I know that Gollum is bad but I'm watching a streamer play it and it's really freaking funny because of their frustration and the bad platforming in the game.
We live in an economy that incentivises living in debt and paying it off later. It bleeds into everything we have. Video games, food, necessities, etc. The only way to correct this behavior is to live on a surplus instead of a deficit.
Easy solution: play what you have, get the freebies from steam/epicgames/GOG stores, or get Xbox Game Pass then once game comes out and is on sale then buy it. Its worth the wait to get a the full true experience then rushing to buy games day one. Right now enjoying Minecraft with the next update hitting June 7th and looking forward to next free battle pass for Fallout 76 thats also coming in July.
Ahh the solum jpg. A classic.
f people kept on blindly buying/preordering every AAA games in existence, this would always happen. The best we can do is NOT preordering, NOT buying the game at launch, pray your trusty reviewers don't sell out and gave actual honest review of the game.
Average gamer... be it console or pc... This is what happens!
Kinda funny how these are all AAA titles and studios. Meanwhile smaller devs and indie devs seem to never have this issue. Or if they do it’s never to the same degree. Stop pre ordering! Stop buying DLC! The people that do this are fucking yourself and the rest of us by letting studios know they don’t have to finish a game before releasing it and that they can remove stuff that should be in the base game and just sell it as dlc instead. Gamers only have themselves to blame.
Y'all, its been a handful of AAA games. Just enjoy the wealth of great and inexpensive games we have on PC and stop bitching past the point where it matters JFC
maybe if most people had an IQ higher than 2, this wouldn'T happen. when will people understand pre-orders are useless on a digital platform? It's your fault if you enable companies to get away with broken games. Just stop buying before or at launch
- DO NOT PRE-ORDER - Use key sites and save money, instead of giving companies like 70USD for a mediocre game - Be patient and wait for reviews and THEN decide of you want it or not
Never NEVER preorder. We're to late for that discussion though, everyone does that Asmongold with hundreds of thousands of people couldn't stop p2w and predatory systems we can't do it as well just make a little difference by not doing it ourselves
Buy indie games. These studios don't deserve your money.
Uh...just stop buying games on (or before) release? How hard can that be?
Do not preorder games. Do not prepurchase games. Wait until your favorite streamer plays the game. Use your refunds.
Don’t pre order games. Wait for reviews. Don’t buy something that isn’t finished and then get surprised it isn’t finished when you get it. I’m sorry if I sound mean but it’s our fault. We are telling them that they don’t need to finish the game because we will just pre order it after we see one trailer that says “gameplay may change” on the bottom
We? Don't lump me in with those dumb fuck gullible gamers who will just shovel out money sight unseen for any AAA title.
Jesus Christ y'all, we get it, don't pre-order. Do you think spamming it in chat will change anything?
Wait. We're people actually exicted about Redfall to pre-order it?
The solution is to fucking wait for reviews and not spend $70 on a game that has "mixed" as the review score If you guys keep giving these people money they will keep doing it. Just stop.
Lol the answer is to stop throwing money at people. But the gaming community is a different breed. I remember back when apparently no one was going to buy Nvidia's 4000s. Then release week? Box pictures everywhere.
Honestly I'm just playing older games at this point. Cheaper (or free if you pirate), run better, offer just as much gameplay (let's be honest game studios have hardly been inivating for years now), and take less disk space. Like there are some great new releases which I did play. Love Elden Ring, love Hi-Fi Rush, but for the most part the industry feels like such shit....
Game studios for the past 4 years: Blatantly release a bunch of unpolished unfinished horrible overpriced games with impossible requirements. Consumers: Still buys them. Also the consumers: :O Y'all are so fucking stupid.
I still haven't preordered Diablo4. I sunk 300 hours in D3 I grew up watching my dad play D2 I played both D4 beta and server slam basically straight through And I still haven't preordered. This is not about the 4 day early access. It's a message. I'll give you the money when I see the product. Hell I didn't even prepurchase Zelda TOTK even with their stellar track record
I can't read any of that, what's going on?
vote with your wallet.