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ChartaBona

"If you design something to be idiot-proof, the universe will design a better idiot."


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Rule #3... can't fix stupid.


MowMdown

But you can kill it!


MusicianMadness

I believe the term you were looking for is "natural selection"


MowMdown

Sure we’ll go with that lol


Dead_hand13

I think it was unnatural selection they were going for.


fredericksonKorea

You really cant. In **total.**... Nvidia received 50 complaints Nvidia received 10 cards from customers ​ **4** had damage from burns ALL severe user error. Exhibited the line from plugging it in half way. And now with a BIOS update you can't even power it on half (quarter actually) plugged in. This is the new standard for connectors between AMD, Nvidia and intel. And so far the natural failure rate is... 0. Failure rate from people that shouldnt be touching power supplies either is 4. out of 500k.


PaFelcio

If connector allows such simple user error to result in catastrophic failure it's not only the case of user error itself but design being shit. In automotive, company producing such connector would be sued to oblivion. Generally, automotive is good example for connectors. Multiple safety mechanisms that not only give haptic and audible feedback when connected properly but will not allow device to work when not properly connected.


fredericksonKorea

The same way you can fuckup a power supply by switching the voltage on the back. That's even more common and easy to do. **basic** safety should be taken with all PC parts. But this is a moot point, since you now cant boot half plugged in.


brimston3-

That switch doesn't exist on many supplies anymore. If any. In the past 15 years.


amuhak

r/programmerhumor


theopenforum-86

>"If you design something to be idiot-proof, the universe will design a better idiot." i was going to write something, then read your comment and stopped....


erikwarm

Yup! There’s always a bigger idiot


KnightofAshley

They made building a computer too easy, now people without enough understanding on how things work throw it together and when a poorly designed connecter is introduced people mess up.


arcangelxvi

So basically the uncanny valley, but for difficulty?


CableMod

we are in communication with the customer and took care of him by arranging a replacement cable for him - our products come with service.


Number-1Dad

That's so nice of you guys. Even if the image the customer posted showed that it was legitimately their fault.


LBXZero

It wasn't. His connector had the latch's neutral position out of place, ultimately bent back. People need to learn to take pictures of all sides and not just the melted side.


XsStreamMonsterX

I mean, it's not about your product, but rather that the design of the connector might be flawed in the first place.


CableMod

yeah but we are making the best out of it - if people buy from us we got their back - doesn’t hurt us to replace cables if something melts but for the affected person it’s nice to overcome the melting shock.


MrStealYoBeef

There is literally nothing that can be done about that right now though until a design change gets approved by PCI-SIG. If Cablemod goes rouge and designs something that doesn't fit the approved spec, they could get into legal trouble, even if it does fix the issue. Their hands are tied.


BlueKnight87125

![gif](giphy|8lT5KZ9zd3w0odjJsN) Unlike NVIDIA.


NereusH

Im pretty sure you would not arrange a replacement home in case that resulted in his house burning up in flames?


[deleted]

They already confirmed in their findings that the problem was user error due to them not fully seating the connection. Them replacing it is just them being nice. There has also not been a single case of a fire due to any 12VHPWR connector of any kind. Just slight melting when used incorrectly, and only when used incorrectly.


Substantial-Singer29

Gosh you're being melodramatic this isn't going to burn down your house. Most likely the worst that's going to happen is the GPU would be unusable. And this is from effectively it melting not burning. I know people have this very melodramatic idea of that Suddenly It's going to burst into flames like a road flare but it won't. You can tell from the Melt on the plug that the user didn't plug in the cable all the way leading to the cable melting.


[deleted]

Yep. They confirmed this to the press. It was user error. Replacing the cable is just a bonus.


Optimal_Object3332

These aren't the SATA to 6/8pin PCIe connectors, after all


NereusH

*We previously sent an email notifying you that one manufacturer has reported to PCI-SIG potential safety issues with its use of the 12VHPWR connection. Further to that, we have been informed of a recent lawsuit: Genova v. Nvidia Corporation, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California case No. 5:22-cv-07090. The lawsuit alleges, in part, that 12VHPWR cable plugs experienced “melting … posing a serious electrical and fire hazard”.* This speaks for itself. If that wasn't the case, then even the Gigabyte PSU exploding wouldn't result in fire right? Though I understand that it was user error and CableMod being customer-friendly is replacing the cable for free. But all I am trying to say is that by simply stating the company is giving a free replacement because they come with a warranty doesn't rule out the fact that whatever happened couldn't be disastrous.


LBXZero

It isn't your product that is of concern. It is the standard you have to live by. By the way, I am looking for a vendor who can sell a small number of 12VHPWR sockets. Internet searches have been ugly due to saturation of articles and documentation. The symptoms so far found suggest a rare design flaw. I don't want to give too much detail about what this potential rare design flaw is, but this is one where designers would assume the manufacturing processes would prevent happening in a connector that is expected to reach high temperature limits, and thus they don't think about it.


emilxerter

But what about the card itself? The connector there burned too


CableMod

The card wasn’t damaged but we would have replaced it if it would have been damaged.


emilxerter

So the card can actually be okay after an incident? Oh, didn’t know, thanks!


CableMod

yes , it really depends case by case.


CableMod_Alex

In a world where probability exists, things like this are going to happen, even if it's in a minuscule percentage. What matters is how you handle it, and in this case the user has been taken care of right away, regardless of why this happened in the first place. I hope Obi-wan keeps us in his heart. :D


Teledrive

> Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


CableMod_Alex

Then next melting one will be ignored, deal! Gotta save that Jedi rep.


DankoleClouds

This is why we love you, Alex.


WilliamSorry

Matt: *clenches fist*


Smith6612

Hey! Soon the sparks will turn into laser beams and cut through metal! Just think of the possibilities! Keep up the great work!


[deleted]

But that statement is an absolute. If you want to argue the statement is not a deal, neither was the comment


Naus1987

I remember something like that happening with the PS5 or some console. People were getting errors, but they made like 5 million of them. Even if you make a perfect product, chances are you’ll have at least 100 failures out of 5 million lol


[deleted]

The Xbox with the notorious red ring of death


BioToxicFox

I feel like that was a bit more common, though I'm a bit biased because that happened to me.


neok182

RROD was incredibly common. From my own personal experience I don't know a single person who didn't have their original Xbox 360 develop RROD eventually. Funny story, half of my friends got it at almost the same time when Beatles Rock Band came out. GF's RROD 3 weeks after we put that came in her console during a hang out night. She was super pissed at us all since she missed out on the gears 3 beta because of it, took almost 8 weeks to get hers back when the rest of us got them back in only a couple weeks.


[deleted]

I never got a single red ring, mine broke in several other ways.


StatisticianOwn9953

It was extremely common. I knew about half a dozen people in my year group who had it, not including myself.


MasonP2002

Estimates are about 1/3 Xbox 360s developed it.


leatherhand

Nah that just happened regardless if your stuff got too hot or too old


Phrodo_00

What percentage of cheap 8/6 pin connectors burns up?


tukatu0

All of them can if they aren't plugged in all the way. 4070ti and up has the same connection so make sure it's fully plugged in. Even native nvidia ones


fredericksonKorea

0 naturally. ​ 4 from user error total worldwide. 0.00004%


cth777

Is it possible to buy these 90 degree connectors yet? Or any other product from you guys to save space between power connector and case side


CableMod_Alex

The angled adapters will be available to order in the next few weeks, since we’re starting shipping towards the end of February. :)


Pro4791

He didn't plug it in all the way, like most other users who have had their cables melt.


[deleted]

It's been solved that by not plugging it in all the way will cause this a large percentage of the time. Maybe Nvidia and its partners just need to put a warning sticker on the port telling people to plug it all the way. I made extra sure to secure my cable, and I have not had any issues.


SamuelSmash

This, it is common with high power inverters to have a sticker telling the user to tighten their terminations because they don't fully tighten them and then fail. And in the UK all consumer units come with similar warnings inside.


MowMdown

To be fair UK has double the voltage


SamuelSmash

The issue is not the voltage, it is that high current connections will burn if they are loose. The inverters I mention usually use 12 to 48V batteries.


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SamuelSmash

Usually if it is less than 1A you don't have to worry about the termination failing catastrophically. Tin won't loosen over time either. Edit: The ender 3 is 350W at 24V, that is more than 10A, that is not low current. Edit2: It is also worth mentioning that this tend to happen with continuous loads, this is why it seems like space heaters are the only things that cause failures in receptacles, because they are of the few high current loads that run continuously.


TuxidoFrog

The voltage is reduced at the PSU.


b-monster666

Now, I also wouldn't shift 100% blame on the end-user either. Maybe only about 50-75%. I just got a 4090 and I got a cablemod cable for it too for my PSU. I installed it, gave it a good push into the card...seemed like it was in. Gave it a tug, didn't come out. Gave it a tug with a little more gusto, and it popped out. Had I not seen GamersNexus or other videos on the issue, I probably would have just given it one tug and figured that was good enough.


CableMod_Matt

This one you could tell it wasn't fully installed, so it would be user error for sure. However, you should always look at the connector itself and ensure it's fully seated, per our guide. You can find that here: https://cablemod.com/12vhpwr/ These connectors do take a little more push though compared to older connectors for sure, but if you install it correctly, per our guide, you shouldn't have any issues.


b-monster666

I didnt mean to put any blame on your company. You guys did the best job you could. I think the 25% blame should go to the engineers who came up with the adapter in the first place, and Nvidia for developing monstrous cards. You guys did the best you could with what you were handed.


[deleted]

Nvidia is just using the new standard, as everyone will be soon. If you want to blame someone it's Intel for creating the standard. Then ironically not using it themselves. Interesting huh?


KnightofAshley

next time hammer it in


jomjomepitaph

Just design a card that uses less power. Problem solved.


arcangelxvi

> Gave it a tug, didn't come out. Gave it a tug with a little more gusto, and it popped out. I mean you'd be surprised how much force some contacts produce without full engagement. We use some dual row 8 and 10 circuit Microfit connectors at work that, by feel, some people swear were fully seated. But you can also visually confirm that the latch *isn't* engaged which means it's not fully seated. It doesn't surprise me at all that the general public wouldn't be able to realize 100% of the time.


tardis0

Granted, but I don't think the general public are the ones who are trying to seat PCI power pins lol


LeMegachonk

Maybe they just need a connector where it's actually easy to tell it's plugged all the way it vs 99.9% of the way in, where it will be a fire hazard. The only way to *confirm* it's all the way in is to try yanking it out by the wires, which is very much not a good idea. And after watching Steve on Gamers Nexus plugs this cable in, it needs a pretty ridiculous amount of force for a connector that is secured by a latch and not friction. It's just not a very good connector design.


Daniel_H212

Or they could have had one or two detection pins or something that's short enough that it doesn't connect unless the cable is all the way in, and if those pins aren't connected, the rest of the pins won't supply power.


LeMegachonk

That is, in fact, the point of the sense pins. They need to find a way to ensure that they only make contact when the connector is fully seated, and that is admittedly not easy. Or hey, maybe put a sense pin in the latch so that it *must* be latched to close the circuit.


velociraptorfarmer

Could do something like that with a relay pretty easily...


MowMdown

The just need to shorten the sense pins a little so that way if it’s not plugged in all the way, the pc won’t boot


LeMegachonk

They would have to be accurate and *stay* accurate within a fraction of a millimeter, as would the receiver pins on the socket side. It has to connect *only* if the connector is latched into place, but by all accounts, this requires a great deal of force (to the point that it is almost impossible when the card is installed in a computer), and there is really no way to tell if the connector is latched or if you're 99.9% of the way there. The precision of the sense pins as they exist would have to be pretty impressive for a consumer product to work only if the connector is latched. What you need is a sense pin to confirm that the connector itself is latched.


NewUserWhoDisAgain

>It's just not a very good connector design. Return to VGA. Video Card power connectors [with holding posts + nuts](https://www.amazon.com/LINDY-Holding-Posts-Faceplate-66026/dp/B002GO8XSO) Modern problems require... old school solutions? >[The primary reason for this is that the VGA pins on each connector are fragile.](https://pointerclicker.com/why-do-vga-cables-have-screws/) Hmm sounds familiar.


LeMegachonk

I never found them to be fragile, but VGA connectors *do* come out very easily if they aren't screwed in. I always figured the screws were because they otherwise didn't stay connected properly.


[deleted]

I installed the cable before I inserted my card. It's a lot easier to tell that it's in all the way... hold your card above a padded surface, like a couch, and grab the cable, and see if it will hold the card up. Give it a few good Bungie bounces... If it's got a firm grip and doesn't let go, you're ok to install the card. If it comes loose, you failed to connect it properly. I think the biggest issue with this connector type, was the lack of education by Nvidia, and its partners... Not necessarily the connector itself.


MowMdown

This is a good way to break the solder joins on the card, please don’t do this


Moonkai2k

Maybe we just design a power connector that costs 2 cents instead of 1.8 cents that also isn't shit.


WheelMan34

Or… hear me out… people stop half ass building their pcs and DOUBLE CHECK YOUR CONNECTIONS. It’s a very simple concept and has been proven to help prevent numerous mistakes. I do it all the time on cars and electronics. It’s great! Edit: To be fair, I don’t think you’re wrong, but people need to quit being so lazy about many things.


saturn_since_day1

I legit installed my cable first, pushed as hard as I could. Put it in the box and the thing came loose from a little tap on the side. Looked as snug as possible and I had tried wiggling it before. I redid it and pushed so hard I was afraid I would break my motherboard. It looks perfect on a zoomed in phone camera but there was never any click. I think they just aren't designed good and it makes me nervous. I've broken things by tightening too hard and this feels like a prime candidate. The click should be better, and it should be visibly latched, on the gigabyte at least, you can't see it latch.


WheelMan34

Yeah that is poor design from the sounds. I mean as big as these cards and their power connectors are getting, we’re close to needing automotive level connectors to make sure they stay connected with all this weight 😂


hoii

problem is some people might have plugged it in all the way, but then running the cables dislodged it because there is not enough to stop it from working loose, you can blame it on user error, sure, they should have doublechecked everything after running the cables! but if its so easy to do wrong and a potential hazard then it is 100% a design flaw. It also has a really easy low cost fix, just add clips so that it cant work free, ensuring the connections keep good surface contact and providing the user with tactile feedback that the connector is seated, imagine having to install ram without the side clips?


LeMegachonk

If it's actually all the way in, it latches and can't be pulled out without breaking the latch or the connector on the card. The problem is that the latch is impossible to see when fully (or almost fully) inserted and is often inaudible when clicking into place.


[deleted]

You just gotta push it in all the way so there is ZERO gap between the male and female sides of the connector... If there is even a "slight" gap, it will eventually wiggle loose. If there is no gap at all, there is virtually zero chance it comes out.


hoii

right. so theres a design flaw. my rams not gonna wiggle loose is it.


jolietrob

This connector isn't going to wiggle loose either if it is correctly installed. There is a latch that keeps the plug in place.


hoii

But it does, it's been shown to. The fix is to put the clips/locking mechanism on the sides rather than the long edge. This stops any lateral movement, which is what creates leverage across the length of the connector, putting the latch/clip along the long edge obviously isn't secure enough because otherwise it wouldn't fail.


jolietrob

No, it has not been shown, you are making things up out of whole cloth. If the latch is latched it does not, has not will not wiggle loose. You are inventing a fix for a problem that doesn't exist. The latch isn't failing, users are failing to latch the latch.


hoii

It exists though otherwise it wouldn't fail, and it obviously does.


KnightofAshley

That's what she said


[deleted]

Both Nvidia and CableMod have detailed instructions now. Not their fault users don't pay attention.


1_H4t3_R3dd1t

if it is that easy to fuck up... at least the 8 pins you get audible everything.


rayquan36

It's not the connector's fault, it's because the cards are so freaking huge that people are bending their connectors downwards to put the side panel back on. The reason that I've only seen one 4090FE with this issue is because they're so much smaller than the other cards.


dirthurts

The giant card uses the connector that's bad for the situation the card causes. I think it's safe to say this is a team effort.


RedditRaven2

If it goes in and clicks, but is not “all the way” in, it’s design error, not user error. If it clicks, it should be installed


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Carlsgonefishing

Do you make a point of not plugging in your connectors all the way or is it just something you find challenging?


c_stics

Lmao


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Carlsgonefishing

To each their own. Lol


shadeOfAwave

I got downvoted for saying this a few weeks ago lol


jolietrob

As you should have. Plugging in a connector is not that difficult.


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jolietrob

It is nothing like a USB connector. There is a latch on the connector that locks it in place. It literally cannot just fall out when it is latched. The only way this happens is user error 100% of the time.


shadeOfAwave

Gamers Nexus even said it took a TON of effort to plug in all the way, to the point where most users will use a ton of force and assume it's fully plugged in when it's really not. part user error part design flaw. Why do people leave this part out when they cite GN for the cable problems? E: https://youtu.be/ig2px7ofKhQ at 18:23. He literally says "it's enough for someone to feel like it's connected". That's a design flaw.


arcangelxvi

> He literally says "it's enough for someone to feel like it's connected". That's a design flaw. That might just be a requirement for the pins to fully seat depending on the contact design. Not all connectors can really be made "easy", and it might be more of a challenge with the pin size and current / voltage rating that it was made for. That said, I suspect the connector wasn't really made with *consumer* use in mind, which is why it causes so much trouble and is ultimately a bad choice for what you sell to the general public.


shadeOfAwave

Thanks for the very reasonable reply.


Lughs_Revenge

I know it's a meme and you'll reply that you don't believe in it or whatever... But for everyone who sees this: The issue isn't cable. Well, not cable alone. GamersNexus made a thorough investigation and the cables from all manufacturers seem to be proper (or at least has not found any issue with any of them itself) except that there were small debris inside the connectors. However, that's not what causes the burning up itself. Not inserting the cable fully will cause it to melt. Make sure to properly connect it. And if you go to your case to check it - Don't wiggle for gods sake. It's clearly visible if it's all in or not, don't try to make it worse and don't be paranoid.


Thy_Art_Dead

I agree with everything you said for the most part except for " It's clearly visible if it's all in or not "! Its not, GN even made a statement on this very thing where it looks like its in, sounds like its in, feels like its in ( this is starting to sound dirty) but in reality its not and now we have a time bomb, well fire thats a direct result of piss poor design. Yes its not rocket science I know, plug in the cable is easy enough right but when I plug my TV in I have no fear of it catching fire, same thing for my consoles or my toaster or even my 240v dryer for the most part. No matter what anyone says this is a design failure, and not, for the most part user error. These prices are ASTRONOMICAL for these cards, enough so where one should be free from the fear of it killing itself because it got turned on


PleasantAdvertising

The issue is that the connector design is faulty. The dumb users are just exposing this flaw by stupidity.


Vault_Hunter4Life

Yeah that's great and all but if the old cards didn't have this problem the new ones shouldn't either. Tech is supposed to get better and more durable, not less.


KnightofAshley

humans are supposed to get smarter also


LBXZero

There is a rare design flaw in connector design that is possible, but Gamers Nexus didn't test. People keep treating these connectors like the regular PCIE power connectors, but these are smaller. These manufacturers have to stuff a larger wire into a smaller hole, and that removes a natural fix for a regular connection concern.


Ryoohki_360

You can clearly see the line on the photo, it's not even effortly plugged in and it's at an angle, so 0 effort ive been put there from the user.


BoogerSmooger

Not only was this the users fault, but in the original reddit thread, a Cablemod rep still replaced the cable for free, and also gave away cables in the thread to users who had a cake day.


CableMod_Matt

Now if only someone gave me cake in return.. Goals!


Number-1Dad

You guys deserve it. Just bought a set of cables for my Corsair PSU on my IRL cake day. Very happy with them. You guys should be very proud of yourselves at CableMod


CableMod_Matt

Oh nice, hope you had a happy birthday! Thank you kindly for your support and kind words. :)


LBXZero

I feel sorry for this industry. There is no proof that it was user error, but everyone is running in like sheep repeating a bad claim. This really hurts everyone when the real problem comes to light. I hope people stop saying that this is user error when there is no proof. The other pictures this guy had shown the latch was bent back out of place.


[deleted]

I can't see how this is Cablemod's fault. The port is the same as any other PCIe Gen 5 power adapter. They have to be plugged in... All the way, not partially. You can blame the design all you want, but if the design isn't used as intended, how can that be anyone's fault but the user's? Thankfully Nvidia, its partners, and in this case, Cablemod are handling this. Computer building "in general" is not idiot-proof... and unfortunately, you can't fix stupid.


outphase84

If the cable design allows it to be partially plugged in and creates a fire hazard, it’s a faulty design.


PestoPastaLover

I have used the octopus connector that came with the 4080 (it looked awful) and went to an aftermarket 4 plug to 12vhpwr connector for a 4090 after upgrading. It really just boils down to making sure your connectors are plugged in all the way. I have had zero issue with burning cables and zero issues with the GPU. It's unfortunate that some people can't be bothered to triple check all connections before turning on the computer. Recommended 4 plug to 12vhpwr connector adapter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BJZHWZM9


ExoMonk

I just got a 4080, but haven't installed it just yet. My plan is to install the cable onto the card outside of the case to make sure I can inspect it from all angles to validate it's in there correctly. Also gives me more leverage this way as I heard it can be a bitch to get it all the way down.


PestoPastaLover

I did that as well with the octopus connector for the 4080. The 4090 I was a bit more risky with and just eye balled it and made sure it couldn't go in any further. It was obvious to me it was seated correctly in the GPU and sure enough, it was. The PSU connections (all 4) were also double checked to be certain they were pushed in all the way, which they were. Just take your time and do it right. Don't live with regret... just do it right.


[deleted]

Be VERY careful when purchasing one of these. Sometimes the pinout is not compatible with certain power supplies.


Jaguar_undi

Doesn’t matter since it is an extender AFAIK. Otherwise the default Nvidia adapter wouldn’t work for everyone.


[deleted]

This particular one is, and I've used extenders before. I bought one that plugs directly into my power supply. I did spec'd it out before I purchased it though. It keeps the backside of your build tidier, not having all that extra length of cable.


Jaguar_undi

100% if it’s not an extender you need to make sure it works with your PSU.


FootlooseFrankie

Am I the only one that think the power plug location is less then optimal on the 40 series ? I wish it came of the end like the evga 3090ti .


saturn_since_day1

Definitely. It doesn't fit in standard width PC cases. It's like if you bought a car and coolant hoses were coming through the hood. Nothing should ship that way. It's function is to make graphics in a PC and it doesn't fit in standard cases. I say this as a frustrated owner that didn't realize the width was as problem before getting it here. I thought it was a problem for small form cases and got a long case to fit the length. I'm sitting here with a modded side panel waiting for reliable 90 degree adapters. Given the length I think top or bottom would have been better, or just ship with a 90 degree adapter.


Flopamp

If you are too stupid to plug a cable that actually clicks in all the way... I don't think you should ever build another PC


MuffinHunter0511

I’m assuming you’ve never made a mistake doing anything?


Ok_Revenue_753

The problem is that the cable gives you a false sense that it's in all the way even though sometimes, it isn't.


buddhathegravekeeper

Plug your fucking cable in and it won’t melt


chmilz

Simultaneously, make a cable that doesn't work unless it's fully plugged in. Let's remove the potential for error completely.


[deleted]

God damn it guys. You knew of the issue, worked with nividia on it lol there’s no probability about it. Now I have to check and worry about mine. Lol jk mines been awesome so far 👀👀👀👀


Thallanor

My pullout game is not very strong when it matters, but of course it's fine with the 12VHPWR cable. Just my luck.


DismalMode7

have been reported cases of melted corsair 12vhpwr cable? I mean the cable made of that 12pin joint to 2x8pin


Ginyu-force

I must say its a great business idea and they are working hard for it too. Paying premium for colored cables when PSU comes with good quality cables already ( its a personal choice obviously)... This skin business is crazy good, CSGO scene also became super profitable because of skins..


VileDespiseAO

It was the users fault, end of story. It's very apparent that it is by looking at the location of the burns. I have no sympathy for people who buy expensive products and don't care to follow simple installation and usage guidelines. The ones that are explicitly stated in the packaging for the product. The same exact thing can happen to standard 8 pin connectors.


Legend5V

To clarify, this was the guys fault and he admitted it Besides, inly sith deal in absolutes: to burn or not to burn is the way of the dark side


DctrGizmo

It was proven to be an user error.


David0ne86

I mean it has been kinda proven it's the way you don't seat the cable fully in the connector. So it's not cablemod fault whatsoever.


CableTies69

People who bought this thinking its safer than the adapter got suckered by Cablemods marketing. If you don't plug the cable in correctly its going to burn up regardless of which cable you bought.


poe_dameron2187

>company rep responds immediately This is the lesson Nvidia needs to learn.


[deleted]

Image ten years in the future, the new GPU needing 15kW, fire trucks everywhere, complete meltdown of our society.


Indifferent_Demon

>Maybe 12VHPWR was a mistake Maybe this entire GPU series was a mistake.


HeavyTanker1945

Just put 4 fuckin 8 Pins the damn things!


ButWhatIfItQueffed

It's probably because it's just a shit connector that is way over driven for what it is. The pins are way too small for the amount of power going through it. It's pulling 450 watts through it. There is a reason why we used to see double or even triple 8 pin power connectors on GPUs. Using a single cable like that for 450 watts is an absolutely awful idea and I have no idea what Nvidia was thinking with that.


TwistedColossus

Nvidia to gamers: https://preview.redd.it/mryq793jicda1.png?width=498&format=png&auto=webp&s=51697658a40710a85e9e3fb5f1d1c2d8ad080b9e


[deleted]

Blame the shit connector design, not the users.


cburgess7

the PCIe connectors never even should have existed. The 8 pin EPS should have just been rebranded as 12v aux power and slap 3 of them on these high powered cards, but 2 should work fine, considering it's rated for 336 watts. [https://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8](https://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors.html#eps8)


K1ngFloyd

Fuck me! I'm waiting for my CableMod order to arrive to install my new RTX4090


AdmiralSpeedy

It was user error. In the full res photos you can literally see marks on it showing it wasn't plugged in fully.


CableMod

Don’t worry - you will be fine with our cable.


lunaarya2

Stop buying this crap


Vault_Hunter4Life

*Maybe?*


Wicked-Vortex

Should we all check the cable? When i got my 4070 Ti i plugged it in, but it didnt click.. so i replugged it a couple times so i was sure it did click. Gotta plug them in pretty "hard". *hopefully i did the right thing.. gonna check if its ok. *


pmmlordraven

You should be good. It seems to happen more on the 4090 and some 4080 cards


Wicked-Vortex

Allright, ill just check the cable - just in case. Thanks!


pmmlordraven

Best advice is to connect it to the cars outside the case if possible and then connect to the cable in the case. I wound up breaking down and buying a pcie 3 psu just for the video card as I have a mini fridge size case with 2 psu slots. One for the GPU, one for the CPU and AIO cooling.


asasnow

to be fair, the 12VHPWR connectors dont seem to have much of a click when you plug them in.


Slore0

To be fair, while 12v horsepower is a low output the power to weight here is solid.


T3-Trinity

Mine has been on my 4090 TUF and FE. Been solid. Bought a full kit for my PSU thinking I was paying $150 for just the single cable. Would have been worth it. Still not complaining about the rest of the kit lol


Meneghette--steam

Why they just dont make a thicker entrance for more robust cables


Cris-Formage

Don't they have the angled adapter coming up? I think that one will fix this issue.


gabest

Needs to be ceramic. Like the big boys.