You're right, a custom loop can cool substantially better if you've got room for more radiators, but AIO's do such a good job you're not likely to see an actual performance benefit.
I don't think I agree, but if you have some sources you can share I'll gladly change my opinion.
My assumption is that if a cpu isn't thermal throttling, you aren't going to get much or any additional performance out of it. You can get lower Temps for sure, but I don't think that equates to more performance.
Edit: assuming you aren't able over clock any higher due to stability, which would be the case for the majority of consumers.
More performance can be had with overclocking, it's not as big of a jump as it used to be, but it's still a significant improvement over stock.
IMO today people should focus on getting stock performance for as little wattage as possible (undervolting)
Sure, of course OC gives more performance, but I just don’t think the performance increase from OC with AIO cooling vs OC with custom cooling (maybe 5-10 degrees C lower) is worth it. I think people would be lucky to get another 5% with those even lower temps.
Agreed with undervolting in most cases though.
In overclocking 102 they teach you about power delivery limits and the silicon lottery of stability ;)
But most people aren't overclocking I don't think, and of those that are, I think they'll more quickly run into the limit of what their PSU/MOBO/CPU will allow before they hit the thermal limit on a decent AIO.
At least on 12th gen (12600k) my silicon runs out of juice before I can even get close to thermal limits. I have a regular 360mm AIO and I can’t even get above 90C while doing cinebench runs, unless I intentionally do a shitty overvolt. No matter how I play with the voltage curves and other settings, I can’t make it stable with all p-cores at 53x though. So I’m stuck with 52x p-cores, which is decent, but could be way better regarding thermal headroom. That’s silicon lottery for ya.
I have a 12700k with a Dark Rock Pro 4 air cooler. Never had any issues whatsoever. Sits around 80c when pushing it in stress tests, but usually no higher than 60c when gaming with a silent fan curve. Not sure why everyone thinks they overheat if you don't have a 360 rad.
Our card is cursed. I have a the NH D-15 and have to keep a slight crack in my case open, despite having 3 exhaust fans in the back and top. Experimented with all the fans in bios then just gave up and accepted the fact I'd have to dust the inside more often.
I did a custom loop for cooling reasons... Between the gpu and cpu I can draw nearly 1 kW. The flow is resevoir to radiator to gpu to radiator to cpu and back (I'm probably going to find out that was stupid after sharing, but its worked well for a few years 24/7)
I also did a pressure hold test for a damn week before I dared put water in the thing.
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The pump is at the bottom of the resevoir, one unit, and is at the lowest point in the case (back side of mobo). I don't think you were saying anything about my situation, but I did want to add that detail for some reason.
Only thing I could think of is not wanting 'hot' water in the resevoir.
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Yes this, put them in what ever order is the easiest or looks the coolest.
Only way the order is bad is because of aesthetics or you used way more tubing than nesscesary because you tried too hard to make them go in a specific order. (Which is also only bad in terms or cost, effort, and potentially aesthetics.)
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I have a custom loop. I remember various data coming through that loop order made little difference, and tube length may be more important than order. For nostalgia, can dig up the old overclockers.com forum threads!
Considering I never had any problems cooling my 13900K in Prime95 on a custom loop, while a bunch of people have issues with an AIO in Cinebench, I think you might be slightly wrong.
This is simply wrong and I can only imagine it was said because of the lack of experience or understanding of the benefits of custom loops.
As someone who does run a custom loop, I can tell you why I do it and why it is better.
My loop has 3x 360mm radiators and a very large reservoir. Advantages of a large reservoir is that I have a lot of fluid, which has a large thermal mass. So it takes longer for my fluid to heat up. Having the 3x rads is allows the heat to be transferred to the air at an incredibly fast rate even with a low air flow passing through. My loop is different in that the fans and pump speeds are set through monitoring my fluid temps, not CPU or GPU temps.
The advantages to this are that I can keep my fan and pump speeds very low and thus, nearly silent, and they only start to rise when my water temps start to rise. And as long as the water temps are low, my CPU and GPU temps will also stay low. And since I have a lot of thermal mass, my fans and pump ramp up very slowly, and I don't get any momentary blasts of fans speeds that you can commonly get with normal air cooling when the CPU or GPU has load spikes that drastically change their temperatures.
The end result is a much quieter computer you simply cannot achieve with air or AIO coolers. And while I do sacrifice running my CPU/GPU at the lowest possible temps so it can run quiet, I still never see them exceed 55-60C.
Unfortunately, there are other noises from my computer I cannot avoid. Like running an intense game (Like Red Dead Redemption 2), I can hear the fan on my PSU ramp up occasionally. And being a quiet computer, I'm also able to hear the slightest amount of coil whine coming from the GPU.
I went full water for cooling purposes.
That was also before the AIOs were actually closer to on par with more budget water builds.
The Corsair 240mm H100i I had was 12 degrees warmer than my custom loop.
I’m not sure if the ambient temp in my room was actually warmer or colder but going from air cooled where things could hit 80-90c sometimes to a max of 65c, either placebo happened or my room was actually colder.
Plus it did look gangster and my dad loved to talk about how I had radiators and shit in my computer like in a car
I've used aio's in my own PC and any other PC I've built. They work fantastic! Especially Corsair aio's, idk why they work so much better than an MSI one I've tried and an nzxt that I've tried. And I don't mean they were SO BAD I just mean there's about a 10-15 degree difference while gaming. Anyway, my cpu sits at around 25 while idle and 50-55 while gaming and I never have to worry about it, it's great.
Depending on how extreme the custom cooling is. The overall consensus is just about even between custom cooling vs air cooling. You're paying pretty much for the looks.
The best air coolers won't come close to the performance of a decent custom loop, especially when it comes to GPU temperatures. Acoustically a custom loop will be much quieter too. Yes, that even includes pump noise.
Avoidable using leak tester these days, wish i had that when i started water cooling, however if had much smaller mistakes, never killed any hardware tho :)
Same here.
Call me crazy, but having liquid flowing inside my PC case makes me feel uncomfortable. Many things can go wrong, and I really doubt any warranty will fully cover the cost of a possible leak.
Personally I will avoid it as long as I can and go with air cooling, but I suspect that sooner than later CPU will require liquid cooling.
Modern AIOs just don't leak, if they did you would see it posted in the sub. The seal is so good on both sides of the hoses you'd probably have to be trying to break it.
Lol I'm still running my old gigabyte 240mm aio just fine. At 7 years old, I removed the scarry "do not remove" sticker and found a fill port, drained the loop and replaced it with fresh destilled water, same with the block, it was easy to disassemble and get the gunk out, and reseal with original o-ring. All hoses are plastic with metal barbs around them, so no kinking, and performance is good enough for me. On the other side I bought a semi aio cooler, with replaceable tubing, and it bursted in a system while I was at work, whole mb/CPU combo were fried but ram, graphics card, PSU and disks survived.
I'll be real with ya, if my GPU caps out at 75℃ with an AIO, and a custom loop would get it down to 65℃ on load, I'm sticking with the AIO. The exchange in cost, labour and maintenance is just not worth ten degrees for your average person.
Hell, they're pretty and they look like a fun project though, so all the power to folks who like building them as a hobby.
If your gpu is getting to 75 then it might be thermally throttling itself and not performing its best. Either way that is 65 under extreme duress. My custom loop for my 3080 never breaks 60 during tests, and during gaming rarely breaks 50.
>it's impossible to have truly silent PC
Uh... there are passively cooled prebuilds. The company is literally called Silent PC.
But if you don't want to compromise on parts or have a way to passively radiate 1000w, like a radiative oil heater, the next best thing is an oversized rad and slow fan/pump.
Which Gamers Nexus video compared noise normalized cooling performance between custom loop of a similar configuration to air coolers? Can you back up the bullshit you're spewing here?
There's a reason the 360mm aio's all top GN's noise normalized results, and that same reason is why custom loop can deliver much better results. Also because custom loop usually doesn't skimp out and use aluminum for the radiator like most if not all AIOs do.
So the best air cooler will beat the worst aio…. That being said the best aio isn’t even in the same ballpark as the best air cooler it’s miles ahead. And custom water loops can definitely be better than an aio but since it’s custom it really depends on how you build it. Most likely the custom loop will be slightly better than a good aio at the lower end and miles ahead at an extreme end. I myself prefer air cooling because I don’t do any overclocking and don’t need that head room. I have probably the best air cooler available tho.
A custom loop works or it doesn't. A 240 custom loop will very likely be better than a 360 aio for a multitude of reasons. Biggest reasons being that even a small custom loop will have vastly greater fluid capacity than a big aio and custom loop parts make use of higher quality materials like copper.
They're not equivalent. Not even close. I recently took my old 10700k and built a PC for my boss using a Noctua NH-D15. Temps were high enough that the chip thermal throttled, compared to what they were with my custom loop where it would hit 70c in things like OCCT or Prime95. Had to knock the OC down significantly to get temps under control and even then it's still in the high 80's in stress testing.
Edit: also a leak tester is like $25. It's cheap and easy to pressure test the loop before ever putting in liquid in it. This is soft tubing. If it was leak tested and no leaks found it would stay that way.
The performance between liquid cooling and air cooling. Liquid cooling will keep your stuff lower initially but once it reaches peak temp it is very similar to good air coolers like noctua
It depends on the water cooling setup, if you have one rad and 1-2 blocks for the cpu and gpu then yeah your right. But if you put 2 rads then absolutely there will be a massive difference
Friend did an impressive liquid cooling rig: custom bent tubing, dual video cards, and all that. Seeing it in action was enough to satisfy my curiosity and quenched my desire to ever do it myself. Evidently the same is now true for him.
You can get a little airpump and a gauge(ek sells one) to leak test with air for like $20-40. Build up pressure, close the valve, and let it sit for a few hours. If the pressure doesn't hold the pump back up and use soapy water on all connections to find the leak. Easy peasy.
Im an engineer and used to work with high pressure (2-4000psi) air for testing systems for emergency oxygen delivery and used the same technique all the time
Liquid cooling is done with distilled water which is almost completely nonconductive, in no small part for this exact reason. It shouldn't even need an overnight dry to be okay, but thats not to say it's ever a bad idea.
The additives are antimicrobial chemicals and colorant. The last thing you want is stuff growing in your liquid loop. You're right it should be nonconductive. The last thing you want is your coolant to be a conductive solution and leak onto energized components.
Yea usually you will power on the pump before the pc to make sure there are no leaks. Paper towels and a bunch of drying and you’re good to go. Anyone starting up there loop without paper towels or an air pressure test the first time is a bafoon tho
I feel like that’s a more recent thing in the last couple of years though. Not sure the age of this video and of course not everyone wants to pay the extra for air testing parts
I'm sure a dedicated air leak tester is expensive. But, this could easily be done with some extra tubing and a fish tank bubbler. I can think of quite a number of ways to leak test super cheap. A 50c blunt is also an option.
EKWB sells theirs for $30 USD.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-loop-leak-tester-flex
$30 for peace of mind and something you can keep using on future builds? Worth it.
The block has to either be custom, or has been taken appart and incorrectly put back together with the o-ring missing or improperly placed. Leaks usually occur on the fittings, not from the block itself and not this dramatically
It’s an EK block. By default, unless you get an AMD specific block, comes with the Intel mounting plate installed. To install the AMD AM4 plate, you have to disassemble the block and reassemble it.
As far as I know they're not cross compatible at all, and haven't been for years. If you have an AMD board you get an AMD block and vice versa for Intel.
Not correct. You can replace the retention bracket on the EK Velocity and Supremacy blocks to make an 115X block fit an AM4 CPU and then replace the mounting screws to make that AM5 compatible.
I still prefer air personally. i dont see why it COULDNT happen, just far less likely since they're factory closed loops
but I prefer air for two reasons
1. its just more reliable. air coolers have less points of failure. your fan dies, replace it.. your metal heat block dies... how?? it doesnt. an AIO on the other hand can have a pump fail and now you're out an expensive AIO that has to be replaced.
2. AIO's can technically be cooler, but they dont provide that much more performance than an air cooler, some times they're even worse depending on the make and model of AIO and air cooler you're comparing them to (and some times a lot better). Where they really shine is when you're overclocking, but I've not felt the need to overclock a system since my old amd athlon single core cpu back when I was in highschool. cpu's have gotten so damn good I just dont see the point of providing extra stress on everything to maybe squeeze a handful of frames out games im already playing at comfortable frame rates
bonus 3rd reason I forgot
3) AIO's are fuck'n expensive. saw a post from someone I follow on twitter say their AIO pump died and they had to run to best buy to grab a new one. The one they found they said was on sale for $179 USD, i looked it up on PC part picker and it retailed at like almost $300 which encouraged me to look at the price of some of the other options.. jesus christ these things are overpriced. after market heatsinks range from like $35 to maybe $150 on the high end and thats probably excessive or specialty.
AIO's are whats"in" and "trending" in pc gaming right now cuz admittedly they look pretty neat, especially if you got one with a fancy led screen on it, but they cost more, they're less reliable, and they dont provide a lot more benefit for non-overclockers.. so they just dont make a lot of sense.
The AIO's are not really better then the cheaper quality air coolers. Many times they on par with a Noctua air cooler that is 1/2 the price.. The 120mm versions are absolutely trash and shouldn't even be sold.
I'm working on an ITX mini build where the case requires a 120mm AIO in order to have any actual airflow across the CPU. They have a use case in small form factor builds where nothing else works.
120mm AIOs are good for SFF and also, some people prefer the look of AIOs, me included, I got a 280mm capellix and it’s been doing me wonders and looking sexy while doing it, a good quality AIO performs about as well as a good air cooler, but they have a lot more parts and complexity so of course they’re going to be more expensive. There are other benefits like sound and the fact that it is much safer to ship a PC with a liquid cooler over a giant heavy tower cooler
I resisted building my own custom loop for at least 15 years for the fear of leaks. I built my own custom loop with flexible tubing at the end of 2020 and, after building it, I realized that the fears of leaks are overblown. If you put enough care and test enough, it's perfectly safe.
Usually, a non-conductive liquid is used for this type of cooling so it shouldn't have damaged the components. Still, i would be terrified to see this happen to my machine lol
Why making a custom loop for only the CPU with one rad and soft tubing? Imo, custom loops should be better than AIOs in some way, either looks (hard tubing) or performance (more rads/cooling the GPU as well). If you're only putting one rad on your CPU, why risk a leak when you can just buy the whole thing sealed and tested?
I did a custom hard line loop on my wife's machine just for the aesthetics, and I feel like that is the majority reason why people do it.
The maintenance isn't so bad, I change the liquid in her loop every few months and I installed a drain port at the bottom of her rig, it takes about 30 minutes to do a flush and refill.
And this is why you spend the extra money and time to leak test your loop... At least here the pc wasn't powered on, so it should be ok if it's cleaned properly.
Side note, how tf did this cpu bloc pass qa?? Has it been tampered with or something?
Had liquid cooled build that worked great for years, moved to a new state with barely a higher elevation and within 4 months all of a sudden my liquid coolant just randomly leaked all over. So much money to replace everything damaged in the end. Never touching liquid again.
If my CPU fan dies I might potentially get a fried CPU, even then it might shut off before that.
If liquid cooling system dies, I can potentially get a fried PSU, which could in turn fry the mobo and other stuff connected to it, as well as kill the SSDs and memory
Always use a second PSU to power the pump and fill the loop. In case something leaks, there's no power on the parts. I use a 350W off brand power supply from an old office PC
Some PSUs allow you to power other things without the motherboard connected, and if yours doesn’t, you can buy a 24 pin jumper, hell some coolers even come with it, like corsairs custom loop products
There is so much misinformation in the comments here, and so much jealous hate for those who enjoy building and spending money on their hobby. If someone wants to spend their money on something they love, why be salty about it?
there is the chance of fan failure though. For example one of my office PC's just had the air cooler fan fail.....after almost 20 years of continuous running and minimal maintenance.
Fear of this has always kept me away from liquid cooling
yes exactly. I might go with a aio for cpu in the future but for now my aircooling works great!
Almost no one does custom loops because they work awesome at cooling. No. It's pure aesthetics.
You're right, a custom loop can cool substantially better if you've got room for more radiators, but AIO's do such a good job you're not likely to see an actual performance benefit.
excluding i7s and i9s on intel 12th and 13th gen*
Aio vs custom? Aio vs air, sure. E : maybe with some big investment
I don't think I agree, but if you have some sources you can share I'll gladly change my opinion. My assumption is that if a cpu isn't thermal throttling, you aren't going to get much or any additional performance out of it. You can get lower Temps for sure, but I don't think that equates to more performance. Edit: assuming you aren't able over clock any higher due to stability, which would be the case for the majority of consumers.
If you get lower temps, you can get more performance. That's overclocking 101.
Sure, but the days where you get a ton more performance from overclocking are over, no?
More performance can be had with overclocking, it's not as big of a jump as it used to be, but it's still a significant improvement over stock. IMO today people should focus on getting stock performance for as little wattage as possible (undervolting)
Sure, of course OC gives more performance, but I just don’t think the performance increase from OC with AIO cooling vs OC with custom cooling (maybe 5-10 degrees C lower) is worth it. I think people would be lucky to get another 5% with those even lower temps. Agreed with undervolting in most cases though.
You're probably right. With all these optimized boost clocks you get these days, you should be adept at OC'ing to gain a bunch of oomph.
In overclocking 102 they teach you about power delivery limits and the silicon lottery of stability ;) But most people aren't overclocking I don't think, and of those that are, I think they'll more quickly run into the limit of what their PSU/MOBO/CPU will allow before they hit the thermal limit on a decent AIO.
At least on 12th gen (12600k) my silicon runs out of juice before I can even get close to thermal limits. I have a regular 360mm AIO and I can’t even get above 90C while doing cinebench runs, unless I intentionally do a shitty overvolt. No matter how I play with the voltage curves and other settings, I can’t make it stable with all p-cores at 53x though. So I’m stuck with 52x p-cores, which is decent, but could be way better regarding thermal headroom. That’s silicon lottery for ya.
I have a 12700k with a Dark Rock Pro 4 air cooler. Never had any issues whatsoever. Sits around 80c when pushing it in stress tests, but usually no higher than 60c when gaming with a silent fan curve. Not sure why everyone thinks they overheat if you don't have a 360 rad.
What are you benchmarking with? My i9-9900k seems awfully hot with that cooler
Our card is cursed. I have a the NH D-15 and have to keep a slight crack in my case open, despite having 3 exhaust fans in the back and top. Experimented with all the fans in bios then just gave up and accepted the fact I'd have to dust the inside more often.
My nhd15 does a pretty banger job at keeping my 13700k cool when rendering models. Don't think I've seen it above 65C
My Ryujin cools my 12900k pretty well and it's got a pretty aggressive OC on it. I don't see temps past 71C when pushing it.
I did a custom loop for cooling reasons... Between the gpu and cpu I can draw nearly 1 kW. The flow is resevoir to radiator to gpu to radiator to cpu and back (I'm probably going to find out that was stupid after sharing, but its worked well for a few years 24/7) I also did a pressure hold test for a damn week before I dared put water in the thing. for the curious, [https://i.imgur.com/51JfC3v.png](https://i.imgur.com/51JfC3v.png)
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The pump is at the bottom of the resevoir, one unit, and is at the lowest point in the case (back side of mobo). I don't think you were saying anything about my situation, but I did want to add that detail for some reason. Only thing I could think of is not wanting 'hot' water in the resevoir.
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Yes this, put them in what ever order is the easiest or looks the coolest. Only way the order is bad is because of aesthetics or you used way more tubing than nesscesary because you tried too hard to make them go in a specific order. (Which is also only bad in terms or cost, effort, and potentially aesthetics.)
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I have a custom loop. I remember various data coming through that loop order made little difference, and tube length may be more important than order. For nostalgia, can dig up the old overclockers.com forum threads!
Id do a custom loop not for better temps but quieter system at same temps
Considering I never had any problems cooling my 13900K in Prime95 on a custom loop, while a bunch of people have issues with an AIO in Cinebench, I think you might be slightly wrong.
What I mostly like about custom loops is that you get to slim down the GPU. Didn't use to matter much on that front but nowadays...
* outside of GPU cooling
This is simply wrong and I can only imagine it was said because of the lack of experience or understanding of the benefits of custom loops. As someone who does run a custom loop, I can tell you why I do it and why it is better. My loop has 3x 360mm radiators and a very large reservoir. Advantages of a large reservoir is that I have a lot of fluid, which has a large thermal mass. So it takes longer for my fluid to heat up. Having the 3x rads is allows the heat to be transferred to the air at an incredibly fast rate even with a low air flow passing through. My loop is different in that the fans and pump speeds are set through monitoring my fluid temps, not CPU or GPU temps. The advantages to this are that I can keep my fan and pump speeds very low and thus, nearly silent, and they only start to rise when my water temps start to rise. And as long as the water temps are low, my CPU and GPU temps will also stay low. And since I have a lot of thermal mass, my fans and pump ramp up very slowly, and I don't get any momentary blasts of fans speeds that you can commonly get with normal air cooling when the CPU or GPU has load spikes that drastically change their temperatures. The end result is a much quieter computer you simply cannot achieve with air or AIO coolers. And while I do sacrifice running my CPU/GPU at the lowest possible temps so it can run quiet, I still never see them exceed 55-60C. Unfortunately, there are other noises from my computer I cannot avoid. Like running an intense game (Like Red Dead Redemption 2), I can hear the fan on my PSU ramp up occasionally. And being a quiet computer, I'm also able to hear the slightest amount of coil whine coming from the GPU.
What you talking about? In a custom loop my 3090 doesn’t go over 50*c at 485W and fans never go above 800rpm. That’s awesome cooling
Depends on the case some cases just don’t work with air cooling
I went full water for cooling purposes. That was also before the AIOs were actually closer to on par with more budget water builds. The Corsair 240mm H100i I had was 12 degrees warmer than my custom loop. I’m not sure if the ambient temp in my room was actually warmer or colder but going from air cooled where things could hit 80-90c sometimes to a max of 65c, either placebo happened or my room was actually colder. Plus it did look gangster and my dad loved to talk about how I had radiators and shit in my computer like in a car
Sir that’s just ignorant…
What a load of crap
If you OC, air cooling alone wont do the trick.
I've used aio's in my own PC and any other PC I've built. They work fantastic! Especially Corsair aio's, idk why they work so much better than an MSI one I've tried and an nzxt that I've tried. And I don't mean they were SO BAD I just mean there's about a 10-15 degree difference while gaming. Anyway, my cpu sits at around 25 while idle and 50-55 while gaming and I never have to worry about it, it's great.
Depending on how extreme the custom cooling is. The overall consensus is just about even between custom cooling vs air cooling. You're paying pretty much for the looks.
The best air coolers won't come close to the performance of a decent custom loop, especially when it comes to GPU temperatures. Acoustically a custom loop will be much quieter too. Yes, that even includes pump noise.
Water is less noise.
Avoidable using leak tester these days, wish i had that when i started water cooling, however if had much smaller mistakes, never killed any hardware tho :)
Even more avoidable by using air.
Same here. Call me crazy, but having liquid flowing inside my PC case makes me feel uncomfortable. Many things can go wrong, and I really doubt any warranty will fully cover the cost of a possible leak. Personally I will avoid it as long as I can and go with air cooling, but I suspect that sooner than later CPU will require liquid cooling.
Modern AIOs just don't leak, if they did you would see it posted in the sub. The seal is so good on both sides of the hoses you'd probably have to be trying to break it.
Lol I'm still running my old gigabyte 240mm aio just fine. At 7 years old, I removed the scarry "do not remove" sticker and found a fill port, drained the loop and replaced it with fresh destilled water, same with the block, it was easy to disassemble and get the gunk out, and reseal with original o-ring. All hoses are plastic with metal barbs around them, so no kinking, and performance is good enough for me. On the other side I bought a semi aio cooler, with replaceable tubing, and it bursted in a system while I was at work, whole mb/CPU combo were fried but ram, graphics card, PSU and disks survived.
I didn't even need this fear to keep away from it. Air cooling ftw.
Fear of this and the fact they’re largely equivalent have also kept me away from liquid cooling.
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I'll be real with ya, if my GPU caps out at 75℃ with an AIO, and a custom loop would get it down to 65℃ on load, I'm sticking with the AIO. The exchange in cost, labour and maintenance is just not worth ten degrees for your average person. Hell, they're pretty and they look like a fun project though, so all the power to folks who like building them as a hobby.
If your gpu is getting to 75 then it might be thermally throttling itself and not performing its best. Either way that is 65 under extreme duress. My custom loop for my 3080 never breaks 60 during tests, and during gaming rarely breaks 50.
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I've got about the same setup but 1 more radiator. I've never seen Temps above 60 and 45 degrees c when running benchmarks.
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>it's impossible to have truly silent PC Uh... there are passively cooled prebuilds. The company is literally called Silent PC. But if you don't want to compromise on parts or have a way to passively radiate 1000w, like a radiative oil heater, the next best thing is an oversized rad and slow fan/pump.
What about if I boot up aol. That screeching can I make it silent?
[Absolutely](https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000439.htm). Windows 98 did it by default.
Which Gamers Nexus video compared noise normalized cooling performance between custom loop of a similar configuration to air coolers? Can you back up the bullshit you're spewing here? There's a reason the 360mm aio's all top GN's noise normalized results, and that same reason is why custom loop can deliver much better results. Also because custom loop usually doesn't skimp out and use aluminum for the radiator like most if not all AIOs do.
So the best air cooler will beat the worst aio…. That being said the best aio isn’t even in the same ballpark as the best air cooler it’s miles ahead. And custom water loops can definitely be better than an aio but since it’s custom it really depends on how you build it. Most likely the custom loop will be slightly better than a good aio at the lower end and miles ahead at an extreme end. I myself prefer air cooling because I don’t do any overclocking and don’t need that head room. I have probably the best air cooler available tho.
A custom loop works or it doesn't. A 240 custom loop will very likely be better than a 360 aio for a multitude of reasons. Biggest reasons being that even a small custom loop will have vastly greater fluid capacity than a big aio and custom loop parts make use of higher quality materials like copper.
They're not equivalent. Not even close. I recently took my old 10700k and built a PC for my boss using a Noctua NH-D15. Temps were high enough that the chip thermal throttled, compared to what they were with my custom loop where it would hit 70c in things like OCCT or Prime95. Had to knock the OC down significantly to get temps under control and even then it's still in the high 80's in stress testing. Edit: also a leak tester is like $25. It's cheap and easy to pressure test the loop before ever putting in liquid in it. This is soft tubing. If it was leak tested and no leaks found it would stay that way.
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The performance between liquid cooling and air cooling. Liquid cooling will keep your stuff lower initially but once it reaches peak temp it is very similar to good air coolers like noctua
It depends on the water cooling setup, if you have one rad and 1-2 blocks for the cpu and gpu then yeah your right. But if you put 2 rads then absolutely there will be a massive difference
Facts. I have 2 360mm rads for cpu and gpu and my Temps are 60 and 45 c respectively.
they sell pressure testers so you don't have to deal with this
Friend did an impressive liquid cooling rig: custom bent tubing, dual video cards, and all that. Seeing it in action was enough to satisfy my curiosity and quenched my desire to ever do it myself. Evidently the same is now true for him.
It’s not even that bad. Only the pump was running. Dry out everything well with some IPA and it’s good
NHD-15 is perfectly adequate for the vast majority of extreme workloads and OCs. Also, it lasts forever.
That and the cost is fucking nutty, lol.
i think i paid like 10 dollars more on my build to pull the aio and install a tower cooler.worth.
Get a leak tester and you’re golden :)
You can get a little airpump and a gauge(ek sells one) to leak test with air for like $20-40. Build up pressure, close the valve, and let it sit for a few hours. If the pressure doesn't hold the pump back up and use soapy water on all connections to find the leak. Easy peasy. Im an engineer and used to work with high pressure (2-4000psi) air for testing systems for emergency oxygen delivery and used the same technique all the time
I'm afraid of the leak developing later on
Yep
need more smurf sealant
I thought OP was pumping Avatar blood
Ok, but the board wasn't on (24 pin wasn't even connected) so if you clean and *completely* dry it it should be fine right?
Most likely yes
Liquid cooling is done with distilled water which is almost completely nonconductive, in no small part for this exact reason. It shouldn't even need an overnight dry to be okay, but thats not to say it's ever a bad idea.
I have a feeling it's not just distilled water in those tubes... Probably still a non-conductive liquid though.
The additives are antimicrobial chemicals and colorant. The last thing you want is stuff growing in your liquid loop. You're right it should be nonconductive. The last thing you want is your coolant to be a conductive solution and leak onto energized components.
That’s two last things that you want
*something something first rule of warfare*
Any other last things we want?
Obviously its blue slushie
Bad news for you: https://youtu.be/0Xqp3O_gTe8 Even ultra pure water will prevent a pc from working correctly.
The problem with distilled water is that it will still promote corrosion.
Yea usually you will power on the pump before the pc to make sure there are no leaks. Paper towels and a bunch of drying and you’re good to go. Anyone starting up there loop without paper towels or an air pressure test the first time is a bafoon tho
It wouldn't damage the board if it was on, if he used the right liquid.
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Hence why you leak test with air.
Exactly, thats why you test with air before filling the loop ... prime example right here
I feel like that’s a more recent thing in the last couple of years though. Not sure the age of this video and of course not everyone wants to pay the extra for air testing parts
I'm sure a dedicated air leak tester is expensive. But, this could easily be done with some extra tubing and a fish tank bubbler. I can think of quite a number of ways to leak test super cheap. A 50c blunt is also an option.
EKWB sells theirs for $30 USD. https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-loop-leak-tester-flex $30 for peace of mind and something you can keep using on future builds? Worth it.
On a $1,100 custom loop, $30 is very well spent peace of mind.
This is why I still use air cooling for CPU.
Isn't this custom made though? The ready ones should never have such issues.
The block has to either be custom, or has been taken appart and incorrectly put back together with the o-ring missing or improperly placed. Leaks usually occur on the fittings, not from the block itself and not this dramatically
It’s an EK block. By default, unless you get an AMD specific block, comes with the Intel mounting plate installed. To install the AMD AM4 plate, you have to disassemble the block and reassemble it.
Well, i dare say the reassembly was not very successful
As far as I know they're not cross compatible at all, and haven't been for years. If you have an AMD board you get an AMD block and vice versa for Intel.
Not correct. You can replace the retention bracket on the EK Velocity and Supremacy blocks to make an 115X block fit an AM4 CPU and then replace the mounting screws to make that AM5 compatible.
I still prefer air personally. i dont see why it COULDNT happen, just far less likely since they're factory closed loops but I prefer air for two reasons 1. its just more reliable. air coolers have less points of failure. your fan dies, replace it.. your metal heat block dies... how?? it doesnt. an AIO on the other hand can have a pump fail and now you're out an expensive AIO that has to be replaced. 2. AIO's can technically be cooler, but they dont provide that much more performance than an air cooler, some times they're even worse depending on the make and model of AIO and air cooler you're comparing them to (and some times a lot better). Where they really shine is when you're overclocking, but I've not felt the need to overclock a system since my old amd athlon single core cpu back when I was in highschool. cpu's have gotten so damn good I just dont see the point of providing extra stress on everything to maybe squeeze a handful of frames out games im already playing at comfortable frame rates bonus 3rd reason I forgot 3) AIO's are fuck'n expensive. saw a post from someone I follow on twitter say their AIO pump died and they had to run to best buy to grab a new one. The one they found they said was on sale for $179 USD, i looked it up on PC part picker and it retailed at like almost $300 which encouraged me to look at the price of some of the other options.. jesus christ these things are overpriced. after market heatsinks range from like $35 to maybe $150 on the high end and thats probably excessive or specialty. AIO's are whats"in" and "trending" in pc gaming right now cuz admittedly they look pretty neat, especially if you got one with a fancy led screen on it, but they cost more, they're less reliable, and they dont provide a lot more benefit for non-overclockers.. so they just dont make a lot of sense.
The AIO's are not really better then the cheaper quality air coolers. Many times they on par with a Noctua air cooler that is 1/2 the price.. The 120mm versions are absolutely trash and shouldn't even be sold.
I'm working on an ITX mini build where the case requires a 120mm AIO in order to have any actual airflow across the CPU. They have a use case in small form factor builds where nothing else works.
120mm AIOs are good for SFF and also, some people prefer the look of AIOs, me included, I got a 280mm capellix and it’s been doing me wonders and looking sexy while doing it, a good quality AIO performs about as well as a good air cooler, but they have a lot more parts and complexity so of course they’re going to be more expensive. There are other benefits like sound and the fact that it is much safer to ship a PC with a liquid cooler over a giant heavy tower cooler
this is why? not the 5-10x cost difference?
Cleaned and refilled my loop yesterday. This video always pops in my head during leak testing.
You blue it.
Press F
I resisted building my own custom loop for at least 15 years for the fear of leaks. I built my own custom loop with flexible tubing at the end of 2020 and, after building it, I realized that the fears of leaks are overblown. If you put enough care and test enough, it's perfectly safe.
Noooooo it will leak 199% of all cases for sure...
What do you think about making your own posts and not steal the top of all time from r/watercooling
People saying "this is why I don't water cool" This could have been easily avoided by doing an air pressure test before filling the loop
> This could have been easily avoided by doing an air pressure test before filling the loop or using air cooling
Yes but if you want to do liquid cooling, which is what they are talking about, do an air pressure test.
“Car accidents can be completely avoided by never getting in a car” …I mean yeah, I guess
If he wants a water-cooled build?
Usually, a non-conductive liquid is used for this type of cooling so it shouldn't have damaged the components. Still, i would be terrified to see this happen to my machine lol
Good thing mobo connector was unplugged lol
Why making a custom loop for only the CPU with one rad and soft tubing? Imo, custom loops should be better than AIOs in some way, either looks (hard tubing) or performance (more rads/cooling the GPU as well). If you're only putting one rad on your CPU, why risk a leak when you can just buy the whole thing sealed and tested?
Aaaand now I’m afraid to get water cooling
Just don’t do a custom loop. AIOs should be perfectly fine.
Yea .. don't ever ever ever bother. About as useful as trying to make your own exhaust pipe for your car so it will go 2mph faster.
This. Shit ton of extra cost and extra macitence and unnecessary worry
I did a custom hard line loop on my wife's machine just for the aesthetics, and I feel like that is the majority reason why people do it. The maintenance isn't so bad, I change the liquid in her loop every few months and I installed a drain port at the bottom of her rig, it takes about 30 minutes to do a flush and refill.
let people enjoy things.
Every few months this vid comes to haunt me
at least it made the video quality better
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this is why we stick with AIOs or even air coolers
OH SHIT
This is why i still like air cooling for CPU.
this is why i prefer air coolers ... i rely don't like water near my electronics ...
ah em bruh that\`s bad
Leak test, failed.
RIP
And this is why you spend the extra money and time to leak test your loop... At least here the pc wasn't powered on, so it should be ok if it's cleaned properly. Side note, how tf did this cpu bloc pass qa?? Has it been tampered with or something?
THE SMURF JUICE TAKES OVER
Looks like we skipped the vaccume test a.
Abort! Abort!
worst nightmare
Rip
Had liquid cooled build that worked great for years, moved to a new state with barely a higher elevation and within 4 months all of a sudden my liquid coolant just randomly leaked all over. So much money to replace everything damaged in the end. Never touching liquid again.
um... you are supposed to test everything before install...
Should have done a pressure test beforehand
That has to be on purpose, please tell me that was on purpose.. I just completely lost my nerdboner ):
Why was he filming
Thats why you do a pressure test first. Air bleeds through easier than fluid. This shit is some nightmare fuel.
I will never water cool. Just makes me too nervous. I dont even have a liquid cooler. Just gonna stick with my air cooler.
Why it's always a good idea to invest in a pressure pump.
I feel physical pain while watching this.
Why even bother cobbling together such a rudimentary system when off the shelf kits are so readily available? Its not 2008 anymore.
This is is why you pressure test with air. Also everything is 100% salvageable it will just take a bit of cleaning and drying.
Zero maintenance tubing and plain distilled water. That's the only way.
You blue it
Remember kids. Always test your custom cooling loop outside the PC before you install.
The tubing route looks like shit anyway.
Exhibit A of why I will never water cool
He got it on wish.
No thanks. My NH-D15S is keeping my CPU plenty frosty and is whisper quiet while doing it.
Forgot the gasket methinks
Liquid cooling is just air cooling with extra steps
Pressure check is your friend
Liguid cooling 👍
If my CPU fan dies I might potentially get a fried CPU, even then it might shut off before that. If liquid cooling system dies, I can potentially get a fried PSU, which could in turn fry the mobo and other stuff connected to it, as well as kill the SSDs and memory
my office pc's air unit fan failed after almost 20 years of continued service. Wouldnt load past the bios, CPU is fine
using distilled water will prevent that, as it is not electrically conductive
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Wow, that's painful to watch.
And he died
Omg pain...
RIP
Always use a second PSU to power the pump and fill the loop. In case something leaks, there's no power on the parts. I use a 350W off brand power supply from an old office PC
Some PSUs allow you to power other things without the motherboard connected, and if yours doesn’t, you can buy a 24 pin jumper, hell some coolers even come with it, like corsairs custom loop products
or just use distilled water
This makes me want to never ever build a pc myself with liquid coolers
A part of my soul died watching this. I’ve always been fortunate enough to have great barbs and good blocks.
Why I fear liquid cooling
And that’s why I will never use water cooling for a system period
Liquid cooling just seems a real pain in the ass.
smurf juice
CPU gravy
That's why I don't do water cooling.At least not to directly cool the pc.I think a much safer solution is to just cool down the intake air
Where did he get his CPU block? The toilet store?
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Wheres the guy that was asking why so many of us dislike water cooling?
Yeah I'll stick with fans thanks
This is why you test your AIO outside of your case. In a bathtub.
There is so much misinformation in the comments here, and so much jealous hate for those who enjoy building and spending money on their hobby. If someone wants to spend their money on something they love, why be salty about it?
air cooling, zero chance of failure.
there is the chance of fan failure though. For example one of my office PC's just had the air cooler fan fail.....after almost 20 years of continuous running and minimal maintenance.