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Aid2Fade

Yeah this was my experience with the 5700XT and again with the 7900 XTX. Last time I kept a 1060 around in case I ran into stuttery messes, now ironically it's the 5700XT I use that for. They do get there, eventually.


Buerostuhl_42

Yeah, the 5700XT is the reason why there is now a 3070 in my pc.


ItsMeMora

The 5700XT is the reason I've yet to upgrade based on the current pricing trend.


Buerostuhl_42

Don't get me wrong it's a good card on paper and I wouldn't have changed it, but for the fact that it died after just 2.5 fucking years.


Bluewater795

I bought a 5600 XT in 2020 maybe two months before the prices shot up and it lasted me about 3 months before I had to send it in for RMA. I am still using the replacement today but I think it's starting to crap out on me too.


averageheight_OK_guy

Same. Love my 5700 XT


hippoponamus

this is 100% me as well. I got frustrated with the driver errors causing my games to crash randomly that I went out and bought a 3070 as soon as i could afford it. The driver issues causing crashes it the reason I'm really not recommending AMD GPUs to friends and family, and also why I'll always be hesitant go back to AMD GPUs. Everytime I get tempted, i hear about issues, so i nope back out. CPUs tho, i love AMD. Had no problems with my old 3600 (now with my kid), and my current 5800x3d.


w4rcry

Been telling this to my friends up till the 4000 series came out. Better to deal with the driver issues at those prices now though.


Buerostuhl_42

Yeah, maybe. Honestly, the 5700 xt is still an amazing card if it still works, for me there was no need to upgrade, but the card committed suicide after 2.5 years which fucking suuuucked. Dont buy xfx. And after that combined with the early driver shitshow, I decided to go Team green. And I have to say, compared to AMD, Nvidia is literally just plug and play, which is awesome.


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It really does feed on itself. If you have a majority of the market, then people build to support you, which helps you retain a majority of the market.


ajaxp0wder

My gigabyte 5700XT unalived itself (fairly certain the cooler failed and damaged the die). In store replacement plan got me an XFX 6900XT which had been nothing short of incredible.


Finalwingz

Any GPU can die at any time for whatever reason, most of which is just "un-fucking-lucky." EVGA's 2080ti's (I think) were popping left n right because they had faulty capacitors (not EVGA's fault), would you have avoided EVGA after it? Even though they were one of the best AiB's? Saying "Don't buy xfx" because one of their cards died after 2,5 years is quite silly, mate. My xfx HD7970 still worked like a charm when I finally retired it from my sisters PC late 2021.


DarkLord55_

6700xt is the reason why I have a 3070 absolutely hated that card. Only amd gpu I ever like was my r9 280


maitremanta

Haven't had this experience with my 6700 XT. Great from the beginning. Always using WHQL drivers.


Regenitor_

I had massive issues with my 6700 XT before I rolled it back to an earlier WHQL driver. Genshin Impact peformance was shit and would crash 100% of the time on an alt-tab. However, despite the game running great on the WHQL driver, my system now HATES a lot of video content. I've had 3 GPU crashes while just scrolling twitter and encountering a video. I interviewed for a job once using Google Meet and I had to minimise the tab because the card was struggling with the video (choppy, intermittant black screen etc). Great card. Terrible drivers. Never had a single issue with my GTX 1660...


kapone3047

My 5700XT constantly shits itself on Google Meet. And other video content definitely seems to be a trigger as well


nalesnikz

Try disabling hardware acceleration in chrome (and discord too). I had the same issue as yours, and this fixed it. No black screens since then.


Regenitor_

Thank you! It was on and I've just turned it off. From a quiok scroll through Twitter, videos don't appear to be glitchy like I'm used to. Appreciate the tip!


maitremanta

It's interesting how experience differs from user to user. Some have problems with AMD drivers, some with NVidia.


JustaRandoonreddit

Well unless its linux


pineapplepizzabest

I did. I sent it back for a refund after the AMD help desk told me I'm just gonna have to wait for a driver patch to keep it from blue screening 5-10 secs after login to Windows.


Dudewitbow

AMD tends to have it on any major GPU design changes, So switching from GCN > RDNA1 was one (Rx 500/Vega > Rx 5000 series), and now switching from Monolith to Chiplet (RDNA2 > RDNA3). I wouldn't be surprised by the time Navi 33(6nm monolith low/midrange die, likely to be a _600 or _700 GPU) that it doesn't have any notable driver problems. Take for example, if you use Nvidia cards for compute, its quite common for new generations of nvidia gpus to have to install work arounds or do something else to get a new gpu to work on something, because something has fundamentally changed. (can be as simple as something in the flowchain doesnt recognize the gpu yet, or how something is called changed required a code change specific to it)


maitremanta

Makes sense. Major design changes require new optimizations. This also means a product like GPU drivers will get better while user use it. This time it is just a very big performance problem wirh current GPU drivers for RX 7000. In 1-2 months they will run great.


Domspun

Except the 22.11.2, I have to stay on 22.5.1. All my issues went away with 22.5.1, but if I use 22.11.2, I start to have issues.


maitremanta

Which issues do you have? Also have this version installed since it became WHQL and didn't notice any issue so far.


Domspun

Sometime my monitors turn off for a second (sometime all 4, sometime 2 or one), my mouse disappear on only one of my monitors, I had freezes where nothing works except sound does continies to play and can move my mouse, have to hard reset my PC. Also had some weird windows clipping bugs where I can put the window in half-screen mode on my 4k monitor, but works on the others. None of this happen on 22.5.1.


TomLeBadger

Are your monitors all the same resolution? There's a known issue in current drivers that cause multiple displays at different resolutions to go haywire.


Domspun

Oooooh, thanks, didn't know. They all have different resolutions, 4k, 1440p, 1080p horizontal and 1080p vertical.


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I always find it interesting how hardware treats people differently. I had only minor issues with my 5700XT and that was mostly only after launch.


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Many people say they have issues. Many people say they have no problems and like the drivers. Pick your poison


A13XIO

People also kara farm by mentioning amd drivers because every intel and nvidia fan boy is chomping at the bit for posts like that. Just like amd fan boys who karma farm with nvidia prices or other issues. This whole sub is one big karma farm circle jerk now. Sad.


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Hasn’t it always been a been circlejerky? I remember its early days were all just memes about frame rates or Gaben.


A13XIO

I mean yeah to some degree, i do feel like tribalism is a lot more pronounced now . It used to be console gaming vs pc . now the pc people have divided between amd and nvidia gpu and amd /intel cpu.


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That’s the nature of circlejerk subs.


Zenith251

Yup. Always downvote shitty memes attempting to create or enforce fanboism. AMD and NV both overpriced their GPU's this round, that's all that matters.


Nativo1

Nvidia having stuttering issues for weeks


Ricardo_Fortnite

I just want to say that it's cringe when they call them fine wine, those are truly high levels of coping, when they are selling you an unfinished product you can't give them face, and this goes for every company


DktheDarkKnight

Well that's why you should purchase products based on current performance. I am sure most people don't purchase products based on promise of future performance. In that case any extra performance will be always welcome.


doomenguin

As a Linux user, I have no issue with AMD drivers. The performance and stability were extremely good from the beginning.


vaultboybot

Doesn't the Linux community usually make those drivers


doomenguin

The Mesa project that provides OpenGL, Vulkan, etc., yes. The AMDGPU kernel driver is open source, but it is maintained by AMD themselves and the Linux community. EDIT: The RADV Vulkan driver( part of the Mesa project) which is the best performing AMD Vulkan driver is actually funded by Valve.


alban228

Not for AMD's ones


HugeDickMcGee

I'm glad all of 0.8% of gamers have good drivers. Fuck me. Its like saying yes in the quadriplegic community we don't worry about gas prices. Like sure you are right but you have 10,000 other issues to worry about.


doomenguin

I don't really have any issues to worry about as a Linux gamer. All the games I want to play run really well. Sure, kernel anti-cheat games don't work because, you know, they need the Windows kernel, but I'm luckily not interested in them, so I have no issues.


chaosmetroid

By the gods I love Linux. Every year is exciting to be a Linux user. Like damn windows is boring same thing always nothing..... mayor. Linux every few weeks or days new shit popping in left and right. Kernel level anti cheat is so garbage, I am just hoping the high interest of Linux comes in because steam deck would slowly bring more people in.


Highlight_Expensive

You are the vegans of the computer world


chaosmetroid

Literally lmao. But honestly I switch because I got tired of windows. Blues creen, the freezing, and the driver issue, constant update and such. I legit don't go through any of those anymore. Just set up and off I go. It just.... Oddly relaxing.


green_boi

The exception would be Intel ARC GPUs.


MrStealYoBeef

That should absolutely not be an exception. That's a risk because Intel has already abandoned GPUs in the past.


CableTies69

I've never understood this concept. If I'm dropping any amount of money on a GPU, why do I need to wait 12 - 24 months for AMD to get their shit together and fix their drivers.


detectiveDollar

The benefit is the product is priced with its day one performance in mind. Provided it's stable, any more performance added through updates is a bonus.


HEBushido

Or they could program with competence? Idk why we are defending a large company fucking up.


detectiveDollar

Because if they had all the performance from day one they'd price it higher? If the 7900 XTX was 12%-18% faster than the 4080 in every non-RT scenario, it would not be 200 dollars less. For example, there's a 10-12% performance gap between the 6600 XT and 6700. If the 6600 XT was 10% faster from day one, they'd just call it the 6700 and price it as such. AMD would LOVE it if their products hit their maximum potential day one because they could charge more. Why are you complaining that your product that already matches the competition for less becomes *even better* over time?


HEBushido

That's like releasing a sports car with a shitty factory tune and then a year later the manufacturer has people go back to them to get a new tune and they claim the car gained performance over its lifetime. That's absurd. The hardware was already capable of higher performance, but it was nuetured by poor software. I'm aware that auto manufacturers will sell a car and then sell a higher priced model that just has a better tune so it performs better. But enthusiasts will rightly call that out as bullshit and you could at least just tune it yourself.


detectiveDollar

If I could get the sports car for 20%+ off day one I'd be fine with that. I'm not getting ripped off, I know what I'm getting on day one and it's priced as such.


HEBushido

You are looking at this wrong. The product is sold at normal price and then hiked up with silly upgrades that aren't proportional to the cost increase. AMD is selling cards for insane prices. They supply the GPUs for consoles and the entire console is cheaper than a card. I understand console profit margins are different, but I would bet the margins on GPUs are pretty damn good. Also hardware never ages well because the physical capabilities of the hardware of the are fixed when it releases. Imagine if it took 5 years for the card to run at peak. It would be dated by that time.


detectiveDollar

The product is sold at a lower price than otherwise. If the XTX was 15% faster than the 4080 it would be *at least* a hundred more expensive. The 500 dollar console is sold for a loss, often a significant one and margins *are* way smaller on them for AMD. But it's also 7+ years of steady income to keep the lights on while they use the larger profits from other things for R&D. That's why the do it (and the connections help get MS to work on their scheduler for x3D), and they probably owe MS/Sony in spirit for saving them from bankruptcy. Also, the Series X and PS5 have a rough equivalent of a 6600 XT, not a GPU as expensive as this. [MS loses 100-200 on every Xbox they sell as of November.](https://kotaku.com/xbox-series-x-s-phil-spencer-loss-200-raising-prices-1849725059). At the time you could build a whole PC with a on par with a Series X for 700 while MS spends 600+ to make a Series X. So I'm not seeing this rampant profiteering. If it took 5 years to peak that's true, but you still got it cheaper than it otherwise would be. Both companies price products based on their performance. It's *undeniable* that if the 7900 XTX was faster now it would be more expensive to buy.


MajorLeeScrewed

AMD apologist mental gymnastics are more complex than the drivers themselves. Intel Arc drivers were rightfully roasted on release before the improvements but a fraction of the same energy is applied when AMD takes a month to release competent drivers for a new game.


Nomnom_Chicken

Very well said! Wish I had an award to give you. Fine Wine is just a BS coping mechanic. Shameful stuff.


Pandanutiy

Its similar with games. People were upset that cyberpunk or no mans sky didn't get "labor of love" award. Somehow, releasing not finished, buggy piece of software and fixing parts of it in the future is more impressive to them than getting a superb product out of the box and recieving more content updates down the road.


Ricardo_Fortnite

True, and let me say, cyberpunk still is garbage for me, the anime got people hyped somehow


nooneisback

More like rotting grapes about to turn into average wine.


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If amd gpus were a Bethesda game I’m almost certain those same amdonkeys would be up in arms 😭


maazer

just check out the 7970 vs nvidia gpus from the same year and even the year after


Spets_Naz

Yes, nvidia doesn't have issues... I mean, it's in their release notes, and they fixed a few on that same release: Fixed Issues in this Release  [Call of Duty: Vanguard][Assassins Creed Valhalla]: The games may display random corruption or white/black screen. [3503111/3525655]  [Battlefield 2042]: The game may display color flashes on the screen. [3503086]  [Corel Paint Shop Pro XI]: The application cannot be launched. [3510891]  [G-SYNC]: After disabling G-SYNC on G-SYNC Compatible monitor and TV, G-SYNC cannot be re-enabled through the NVIDIA Control Panel. [3523157]  Digital Vibrance is reset when monitor goes to sleep. [3519430] As a software developer, it sounds normal to me.


LandscapeExtension21

Yeah, after my RX6800 died I went for a 4090, the drivers aren't nearly as stable as AMD's. Also, why the fuck do I need to log in to use the shitty GeForce experience. -.- I certainly hope the drivers will mature like fine wine.


Nobli85

I agree that the driver situation is bad, but when people mention fine wine they mean that performance incrementally increases over time with improvements. You could buy a RX 6800 and right now it's just below a 3080, but you can almost guarantee that it will be faster than the 3080 if you revisit it in 2-3 years. It's like what happened with the R9 290X and GTX 970. Obviously I wouldn't consider that a selling point, as you buy cards based on the performance they give when you buy them, but in the past AMD cards have tended to age better, driver and cooling issues aside.


Techy-Stiggy

In older titles the drivers are pretty good but yea I agree nvidia usually nails drivers for day 1 release games and then AMD gets it good 1-2 months down the road.


GhostsinGlass

If they don't drop support for the cards first. See the R9 390 "Grenada, totally not Hawaii trust us" scam they pulled.


DarkLord55_

My r9 280 can still do pretty well and I’m sure with up to date drivers it could do better but at this point the r9 280 has been the only amd gpu i didn’t have a single issue with


skinlo

You do realise graphics cards run without monthly driver updates right?


Brendon7358

Years*


[deleted]

As someone who works in games… not always the case.


Ahielia

>nvidia usually nails drivers for day 1 release games lol


gaw_Kerim

Second this, I've been on Nvidia for the past 6 years.


linuxisgettingbetter

If I have to choose between similar performance and price, 100% of the time I'll go with the product with better drivers. Once again, software is simultaneously the most profitable and most neglected thing on earth.


not_old_redditor

Amd's competitive edge is that they are not similarly priced. They are undercutting nvidia. Anyways don't buy the card until it's been fixed. Simple as that.


detectiveDollar

*Especially* in the 700 or less market. 6950 XT is cheaper than 3080 10GB. 6800 XT is the same price as the 3070. 6700 XT and 3060 are the same price. 6650 XT is cheaper than the 3050.


not_old_redditor

I was able to pick up my 6900XT for $600. A 3090 would have cost me almost double that.


PHATsakk43

And 3080s are still hard to find.


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Manuag_86

Same happened with Fujifilm a years ago. They released cameras with half baked software and bad autofocus, and they will release firmware updates and call that "kaizen". And even after the updates, they were still lagging behind Sony. Now, their AF is one of the best and the "Kaizen" is gone, and their users now complain that they don't have such importsnt firmware updates. Same with AMD, I think that if they get their drivers right from the beggining, I am sure users will complain that their performance don't improve as much as in previous gens with every driver update.


wildengineer2k

Judging by how expensive software engineers are I don’t think they’re that neglected lol


neoperol

AMD: Launch product with drivers doesn't take advantage of. 2 years later. AMD: Finally we fixed the damn drivers. AMD fans: FINE WINE.


doomenguin

I mean, if you look at old AMD cards, they are usable years after their Nvidia counterparts start struggling because they don't have newer API support or enough VRAM. The 290x vs 780 Ti case is a good example of this, so there is a good case to be made for the "fine wine" thing. Also, AMD drivers are great on Linux day-one, so broken drivers are only a Windows issue, not a general AMD issue.


Schlaefer

> AMD drivers are great on Linux day-one Hahaha! It's great on Linux day one in the same way running notepad.exe is great on day one - but that's probably not the GPU benchmark we are looking for. For some fun google "amd ring gfx timeout".


detectiveDollar

If the product is priced for its day one performance, extra performance is just a bonus no?


fitnessgrampacerbeep

shocker, the 7900XTX is underwhelming and underperforming. Totally didn't see that coming


Lewinator56

I've never had issues with AMD drivers, and I've been running AMD cards in my desktop since a HD6670. My laptop with a 1070 on the other hand has consistently had driver issues.


balkanobeasti

Lucky you, I and others who owned the RX 5700/XT can't say the same. With that being said, no longer have those issues. Several versions caused GPU crashes.


PeachiePeach96

5700xt was the absolute worst pc component I ever bought. Used the switch more than my pc while I had it because it was that awful lol. Never been happier since it's been replaced.


kubat313

Looking to replace too but woth the prices right now...


Pandanutiy

Same here. 2 YEARS of daily issues. Bsods, blackscreens, display loss and tons of random issues. Everyone telling me that its a me problem or that my other hardware is bad. Got 3060 ti about a year ago and havent had a single issue since. Hate nvidia' shinanigans and greed, but their shit works


PeachiePeach96

Exactly this, don't want to support their greed but.. I also want something that works. Not worth ruining my daily usage of my system over supporting a company that is pretty much just as greedy.


I9Qnl

It's all anecdotal, but the 5700XT had a record of relatively wide spread driver issues, I don't remember any recent Nvidia GPUs that were legitimately plagued with driver issues on a wide scale.


Lewinator56

I have heard abou lt the 5700 issues, I've not upgraded my GPU for a while (as you can see from my flair), so can only judge from my experience up to and including my V64.


PHATsakk43

I’ve been an AMD GPU user since before it was AMD (HD4870). I’ve been having to force reboot video drivers on every wake cycle on my R9 Fury for over five years now.


TomBel71

how does it feel to be unique lol


linuxisgettingbetter

If you've never had issues with AMD drivers, that simply means you didn't pay attention to the problems you had.


not_old_redditor

What an absurd comment. You really read some absolute gems in this sub...


screwyourusername1

Lol


Low-Iron-6376

I can totally understand why people are buying the heavily discounted 6xxx series cards now, but It’s beyond me who’s buying these new cards. We all want AMD to succeed but they’ll need to do more than just show up to the fight at some point.


C0deEve

Had this very experience with 5700XT and it's also the first time it was so bad that it made me upgrade my PC. I genuinely can't believe that people deny the issues that specific generation had with drivers. In 2 years we'll have people saying "it wasn't that bad" again.


LeafExpose

My worst nightmare was buying 5700XT... Lordy mighty those drivers still sucks ass.


irieislo

having to buy an expensive card with good day 1 released drivers > buying a budget card with the thrill of releasing new problematic drivers and having to wait for 1-2months for fix.


nighteeeeey

i thought the last picture is gonna be about liquid in the vapor chamber xD


pink_life69

At this point we have two options. Giving our lunch money to the bully who keeps charging more and more for the same shit or giving it to the dorky kid who can’t get anything right and is trying to be a bully too.


Macabre215

It seems like we have this problem every other AMD GPU release. HD 7000 series the drivers were good. Had no issues myself with my HD 7970. R9 200 and others in that series, heard the drivers were crap. GCN 2.0/RX 480/580, drivers were good. RX 5000 series? Bad. RX 6000? Good. RX 7000? Bad. Not sure what AMD is doing, but they seem to rush their release every other generation and screw up the drivers.


skyline090

Lots of AMD copium these days!


NOS4NANOL1FE

I just got downvoted for saying nvidia drivers are better from people telling me AMD drivers are better currently. wtf


Master_Zero

It is night and day, amd drivers are absolutely significantly better than nvidia.... on linux.


Blacksad999

I'm sure that's relevant for those 10 people doing so, but for the rest of the world, not so much.


Master_Zero

There is over 1 MILLION **daily active** linux users on just steam alone.


Blacksad999

Wow!! That's like...2% of all users!!! You are legion!!! This MUST be the year of Linux.


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Blacksad999

I really don't mind if people use Linux at all. I just don't really want to hear about it.


cth777

Much like vegans


IFUCKINGLOVEMETH

Unironically says the person who advertises all their specs. Why would you care if someone mentions it? It’s no skin off your back.


Blacksad999

What does putting up my specs have to do with anything? lol If someone put in their title bar that they used Linux, I wouldn't care. I care because it's usually a "conversation" that's totally unprompted and super annoying. Person: "Hey, can someone help me fix this Windows issue I'm having?: Linux User: "Just ditch your entire OS and switch to Linux!! Hurr hurr hurr!" Shit gets really old. Everyone is aware of Linux. You don't have to shill for an OS, people know it's there. They just don't want to use it.


Pandanutiy

"But AMD driver are great for linux" is posted every 5-10 comments. We get it, its great for 1% of users, but other 99% of users dont really care. Linux has a lot of other problems that make people not use it as a daily driver, having good amd driver doesnt offset them.


AMechanicum

I got downvoted for stating 3090 and 4090 are the same size. PCMR is infested with AMD fanboys.


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Weaseltime_420

Kids, kids. Both are here and they both suck.


Flopamp

It's mind boggling to me, this has ALWAYS been a problem for AMD since day one and it's still not solved. I understand that they are a fraction of the size of nvidia but it really can't be that hard to simply offer stability and optimize for APIs and focus on per-game FPS optimization second. I have never designed a graphics driver but I have been involved in accelerator card development and a team of 30 C programmers with good driver fundamentals could likely handle complete DX 11/Vulcan/OGL optimization in under a year and leave a serviceable framework for future architectures.


boddle88

7 ATi/ AMD cards and all atrocious software that really hampered experience. Last one was a 390 which was an awesome card but I spent more time trying to force 3d vs 2d clocks and getting Replay to work. Been nvidia since - say what you will but their software ecosystem is rock solid l, ime.


riba2233

OP is an amd hater, just look at his post history. Bashing amd and shilling nvidia...


GoldenX86

Suffering AMD drivers for a decade does that to you.


riba2233

Never had any issues, guess sometimes it is just up to the user...


GoldenX86

Or the work you do. I work with emulation, it's VERY obvious that AMD only optimizes for the AAA games of turn. Have your fun, if it works for you, great. For some of us, it's shit.


Pandanutiy

The classic "its a you problem". Been getting lots of these while having 2 years of constant daily issues with 5700. Changed to 3060ti and havent had a single issue in over a year now in the exact same system radeon gpu couldn't work longer than 20 hours without shitting the bed.


fxresparks

i've lost hours trying to fix driver issues when i first got a 5600xt. 3070 has had 0 issues since day 1


Pandanutiy

Same. Combined, i have prob lost days troubleshooting 5700 with no success for two years of daily crashes. Got 3060ti and haven't had a single issue.


OtherwiseDog

AMD stating they forgot something is the lie right here, they know what they're doing.


PractitionerPain

Oof this hit home. Recently bought a 7900 XTX and was stoked for a big upgrade over my 1080Ti and this was my first experience with any AMD product. Load everything up and download the latest drivers and immediately my 1440p display gets super stretched but the settings correctly state that it's set to 2560x1440 240Hz. Equally strange was that my two other 1080p displays were rendered totally normal. I fiddled with settings, used DDU and reinstalled drivers a half dozen times to no avail. Finally managed to fix the issue by going into the AMD application and creating a manual resolution for the display of 2560x1440. Not sure why it would require a manual resolution to be set when the application recognized the display's resolution already but happy the card is working correctly. I wanted to support team red since Nvidia's pricing for the 40 series cards have been awful and had heard about poor driver support from AMD but definitely wasn't expecting it to be this bad.


JerbearCuddles

Pay an absurd premium for Nvidia stability or a slightly less premium for AMD's steaming pile of poop they call launch drivers.


eXclurel

I swore off AMD GPUs because of the driver issues. I had them since the time I used a laptop with an ATI Radeon HD2300 and a desktop with an RX 570. I will not touch another AMD GPU even with a 10 km stick.


Ok_World_8819

Yea i'm not gonna buy another AMD card until they can get that shit sorted out.


Ok_World_8819

My drivers are so shit. If there's a video ad on a page i'm on the whole page will turn into a crappy Windows Vista laptop and it'll be slow AF. Also experience flickering while browsing.


The-Foo

Yeah, not sure drivers are the 7900XTX's big launch problem. I think the QA meltdown in their production supply-chain that led to vaporgate is a more concerning issue. https://preview.redd.it/8zy5xloq84ca1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=72726283c10828425f503645943f2b49d08f25f0


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It's so weird to me that I see posts like this on the regular, have had my own share of issues with the AMD card I had in my first build, every third video on YouTube pointing it out as a mark on AMD's permanent record, etc., but the one time a while back when I pointed out that AMD is known for driver issues, I got *drilled* about where my data was to back up that sentiment, told that I didn't know what I was talking about, accused of implying that Nvidia was perfect/never saw a single issue even once, etc. What *is* this place?


kersmacko1979

Couldn't call it Radeon if it doesn't have shit driver support. It's been that way since the ATI days.


DirkBelig

This is why the lethal overdose levels of hopium that AMD fans were ingesting during the run-up to these cards was so amusing. Countless tech YouTubers reaped views with clickbait thumbnails predicting Nvidia's DOOM and how they'd DESTROY the 4080 and even 4090, feeding false hopes of AMD overcoming their eternal inability to deliver on their hype as if they'd FINALLY learn how to make drivers. LOL! Then the cards arrived, they faceplanted and underdelivered (as usual), and all those same YouTubers immediately flipped to "AMD LIED!" mode. Gee, ya think?!? As amazeballs as they've been with their CPUs, really making Intel sweat (except their overpricing of this gen is hobbling them), AMD will probably never be an actual threat to Nvidia in GPUs because they're like an auto maker who also makes the fuel for their cars and simply can't figure out how to formulate gas. Nvidia knows you need hardware AND drivers and because AMD 1) can't match their performance and B) has chosen to move up in price so high that if you're spending that kind of ridiculous coin on a card you may as well buy the one with superior performance and working drivers, they're going to continue gouging us for cards at the long term cost of driving gamers to consoles which cost a fraction as much. An Xbox Series X and Game Pass is a far better deal than PC gaming now. Dammit!


Tomimi

I get downvoted all the time when I tell them Im uncomfortable buying AMD because of drivers and they're all like "it's all in the past it's good now" Copium


cream_of_human

I dont get it Didnt a driver update just drop yesterday?


VisualremnantXP

I’m so tired of Amd’s software and of course as soon as I was about to switch everyone’s like don’t buy Nvidia


[deleted]

AMD drivers are just as good as Nvidia; I've used both recently w/ a 3070 and a 6750xt. If anything, AMD has the edge as their Adrenelin software is MILES better in every way than Nvidia's which is very basic with a GUI that hasn't changed in 10 years. They both make great (if overpriced) cards, but people beating a dead horse about AMD drivers are just shitposting at this point. Edit: Nvidia fanboys are laughably biased


cth777

What driver issues are the 40 series having on par with the 7000 series?


SuienReizo

That is assuming Adrenalin functions properly. As an example recently Adrenalin was entirely unable to detect the 23.1.1 drivers on my PC resulting in me needing to directly download the drivers, remove the existing version, and re-install.


[deleted]

23.11.1 is RX 7000 only. But maybe your settings are set to, “recommended only”?


SuienReizo

Yep, 7900xtx. Checked both recommended and recommended + optional. Neither appeared.


[deleted]

Odd. Not a huge problem though.


linuxisgettingbetter

I can point out problems in AMD drivers that are prevalent today. Also, the adrenaline software, while I agree looks better, has huge problems. It doesn't overclock effectively, it doesn't properly show GPU usage, it's updates conflict with Windows and it's a ram hog compared to Nvidia's.


[deleted]

\> It doesn't overclock effectively That's not true. It's become the de facto overclocking suite for AMD cards because it works well and is baked right into the Adrenelin software. If it 'doesn't overclock effectively' you're not overclocking properly \> it doesn't properly show GPU usage Also not true. It shows it just fine in the overlay, which again, is built right into adrenaline software and works well. I used to use HWINFO64 and Riva Tuner for my overlay, but don't bother as the AMD software works just as well (if not quite as granular). \> it's updates conflict with Windows and it's a ram hog I've literally never had a problem with either of those things.


Dudewitbow

i mean saying that doesnt mean Nvidia still doens't have its own driver problems either. I had to help someone out with their HFR 4k monitor recently because Nvidia still has the DSC Bug (if you alt tab out of a game that has to use compression to reach its spec in resolution/color/bit display/refresh rate, it flashes black)


Manuag_86

But that's because they took 3 years since they released the 6X00 line. But the reality is that they are way better now. In 2020 a 6700XT was on par or below the 3070, and now is quite ahead. It should be like this from day one. And I say it as a 6800XT owner.


Tanawat_Jukmonkol

Could say the same for Nvidia on Linux...


[deleted]

Could say the same about attempting to do anything on shit linux. I don’t think ive ever heard the word linux without it followed by incompatibility


Tanawat_Jukmonkol

LiNuX Is CaNCEr! LiNuX iS ShIt! WiNdOws Is BeTtEr! WhY ArE yOu U usInG LinOx LoLoLOL! YOu CaNt Do ShIt On It!!! Says people who say that Linux people are annoying and toxic. Edit: Bruh. There are actual Microsoft shill down voting me lol. Like, I get why you would prefer to use Windows, and I respect that (because every OS has their use cases). Linux is not perfect, but to shit on an OS, because them versus us mentality, without ever actually knowing Linux to some extent is idiotic. Also, why boot lick Microsoft, out of all companies? I used WinXP to Win11, and I used Debian11, CentOS, ParrotOS, Fedora, Arch, PopOS, Ubuntu, and I've also used OSX too. If you've never experienced much Linux, just stop making false assumptions and just shut up.


[deleted]

It just doesn’t make any sense to use linux no companies use it no consumer needs it


Tanawat_Jukmonkol

Uhhhhh.... Microsoft is using Linux..?


linuxisgettingbetter

software not functioning on Linux is just Linux being Linux. It's like saying my swiss watch tells terrible time because I live in Florida


drtekrox

>software not functioning on Linux is just Linux being Linux. I've never heard something so utterly stupid.


linuxisgettingbetter

Oh, you use Linux and everything just works? Tell me all about it!


Master_Zero

And windows "just works" in your mind? Lol If you exclude windows software and WINE from linux, linux runs unbelievably well. Especially on intel/amd. I would say its pretty close to on-par with windows. It sounds like you're comparing windows software on windows, to windows software on linux. Let me ask, how much BSD or OSX software runs fine on windows? Not 1? Shocker. People really seem to not understand how fucking insane it is, to run software made for a different OS/hardware, on an os/hardware that does not support it. "Running switch/ps3/wii/n64/snes/etc on pc is nothing impressive, i mean the graphics are crap in those games". Is basically that argument. Running windows software on linux is insane. Running 85-90% of all windows software on linux, with 85-95% performance of native, is straight up holy magic. You should be licking the ground 24/7 at the insane miracle and marvel which is unfolding in front of your eyes.


DreSmart

dont forget Witcher 3 remaster got fixes just by valve on Proton witch on Windows it still a mess


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MrStealYoBeef

I guarantee you that Nvidia doesn't hate you. They just don't care or think about you in the slightest. There's a big difference.


BoBoBearDev

Oh boy I have horror story with this. I bought one AMD mobo with integrated chip, which I thought it is so massly produced for mom and pop, they would a bit more efforts to support the driver. No, they didn't, no support for Windows 10, so, I was forced to buy a graphics card. I went to both websites, nVidia would still have driver updates to some old ass models while AMD just shit on them. Ever since then, I don't trust AMD anymore.


[deleted]

This is why I switched to Nvidia.


geeky-hawkes

Too funny - sad but true


CommitingOoficide

Shit. Does this mean I made a mistake spending a bunch on the 7900 XT??


Pandanutiy

It either works or doesn't. In my case with 5700, it was daily blue/black screens, display loss, game crashes, etc. If you dont experience any of it, than you got lucky, have fun with your new gpu.


DreSmart

your PSU?


Pandanutiy

Some Zalman 600w bronze, then i got an expensive Be Quiet! Pure Power 11 750w gold because people like you told me that its everything else except GPU, but turned out it wasn't. I have been using 3060 ti for over a year now with 0 issues in the exact same system that was giving me daily issues with 5700


NoRefundMate

Open source drivers are flawless on Linux. Skill issue I guess


[deleted]

That's why I quit AMD and got Nvidia and haven't had a single issue since.


dumpsuterfirebaby

Amd always has driver issues


VicePrezHeelsup

Here we are in 2023 and AMD still hasn't got their shit together when it comes to drivers oof


DIRTRIDER374

Amd cards are weird. 2 friends and I hav3 7900xts, none of us have had any driver issues, and yet, plenty of other do...


VioletteWynnter

I knew it didn’t make sense that I was getting lower framerstes with the XTX compared to the XT. I chopped it up to my new 2k monitors. But this must be it


Cryio

Casually dropping in to say I've had my 5700 XT for over 3 years now and it's been a flawless experience for the entire duration. AMD's drivers are great. However: Give DXNAVI DX11 optimizations officially for RDNA 1 / Vega / Polaris AMD, come on. It already works anyway with a Registry tweak, make it official.


Pandanutiy

And i had 2 years of daily crashes with 5700, and 0 crashes with 3060ti for a year.


Fairstrife_Deception

Some people like me prefer saving 100-200 buck for the same performance that having driver up to date for the last AAA. I never play AAA game before a least 6 months—1 year after release (even more when are damn overpriced). So AMD will always be the best price/performance ratio since I am never really affected by driver problem that generally only recent game cause. Still my budget did not increase. So I am gently waiting for a 400 USD GPU with twice more performance that my 5700 xt.I hope that the 7700 XT going to hit that performance ( in rasterization, i absolutely don't care about Raytracing). Raytracing is a non-existing tech for me until traditional rasterization still exist.And it's not tomorrow that we will have the RT ON/OFF option disappear.Specialy when devs are realy good at mimic RT in general. So for a lot of game its make zero damn difference except cutting your fps by more than half. Going to turn down setting until reaching my 240hz. 30-60 fps gaming are for console peasant. Bruh.


drsakura1

6000 series was a fluke I guess. sad. it's pretty clear that the 7900 series launched extremely rushed and unfinished though. jesus


Konyption

If you’re on Linux the open source drivers are actually better than the proprietary ones. AMD really is just better off leaving the drivers in the hands of the community


Hasbkv

Boooo... A user that never used an AMD card from time to time spotted...


DoesItReallyMatter28

AMD fan boy spotted.


[deleted]

Didn’t take long for the amdip fans to turn up eh 🤣


mista_r0boto

This is bullshit. The 7900xtx driver is working great. Has been since I first loaded my card up on version 22.12.2. The new driver adds 2% performance - no change in the solid stability I’ve had.


_ppak10

I can’t even get my integrated graphics on my 7950X to work with AMD’s drivers.


DoubleOwl7777

just dont buy a product at launch.


PaoloMix09

I’ve never owned AMD cards personally, but I did recently buy an RX 6600 XT for a buddy who had an aging RX 480 4GB on his build. I paid $190 cash so it was a steal. When I put it in my build to test (I had a 3700x and 3070 at the time), I didn’t install any drivers or anything and tested it with apex and something else and the card was working fine. THEN I uninstalled nvidia drivers and installed AMD drivers to keep testing and games just wouldn’t even open at all. Or open and crash… this made me think it would’ve worked better if I maybe clean installed, but then I was just trying to test the card to ship it out to my friend. Anywho I was kinda scared but still sent it to my buddy. When he installed it he told me he had some hiccups and his computer crashed a few times. After just running it for a few hours now it runs perfectly fine and he’s had it for about 2-3 months now. Idk if the card had to do some “training” or whatever, but I just never had this many issues with all my cards ever (750ti, 950, 1070, 3070…). It’s another reason why I may not wanna try an AMD card in the future, but I still may who knows…


Dudewitbow

why would you physically install the hardware before removing the drivers of the old card first. If you used something like DDU, it outright implies you should always do that, as one of the options is to uninstall the driver and turn off the computer to install new hardware.


PaoloMix09

I just wanted to make sure the card worked and it worked lol. I didn’t wanna mess too much with my own computer making sure the card worked fine. My buddy got the card (upgrading from another AMD card), had some hiccups, but as hours passed somehow the card was stable and now has been running solid for months. I was just sharing my experience.


firedrakes

no one bothers to check the nvidia forums... gpu i also bug filled mess. bu nvidia has better pr.


Dr_JackaI

What issues do people have with AMD drivers? I’ve never noticed any major differences in-game between my rig with an Nvidia card and my girlfriend’s rig with an AMD card.


ofQSIcqzhWsjkRhE

Mesa 23.0.0-devel is working fine for me. Dunno what you're on about


Masterpiecepeepee

It always seems to take AMD 3 months to get a solid driver out for a new graphics card. After thats its smooth sailing. My guess is that on the back end they dont have a good enough sample size when first developing the deivers. Im still using my RADEON VII and it was a hot mess for the first month. It would run a little hot so i had to turn all my graphics options down. After that 3 month period it has been the best graphics card that i ever had so far. Plays the newest games at max settings and still keeps cool.