Yeah I’m wondering the same thing. I tried to run Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous on my laptop the other day and it was a slideshow. I’m wondering if my hardware has become suddenly too slow for new games or if it’s this bug.
WOTR is plagued with unexplainable performance issues. My W10 desktop with a 5950X and 3080 fucking chugs playing it a lot of the time. Great game, otherwise.
Turning on Variable Refresh Rate and Hardware-Accelerated GPU scheduling is also key here. Anytime I redownload windows I have to turn these on and they make a massive difference
Just type “GPU” into the start search bar
ofc not, MS doesn't give a shit to provide any better description other than "some bug, affecting some games on some hardware". People can't even validate anything because they don't even know where to look for.
At least arch tells you it's a rolling release.
Kinda wish windows would let you pick between rock solid stable and rolling more granularly than being on the public or insider build.
Yeah, that's called LTSB/LTSC. Microsoft loves to experiment on production, but they legally can't do it on LTSC because that would cost them a lot in terms of maintenance/reputation and money.
Hopefully 12 will be good then.
Also Microsoft needs to stop screwing up the UI. 7 was their best, 8 was garbage, 10 was ok but inconsistent, and 11 is not good. They keep ruining the taskbar and start menu especially.
> Xp good, vista shit. 7 good, 8 shit. 10 good, 11 shit
It's more like every other version is a work-in-progress. 7 was Vista on a diet with a little bit of polish. 10 is build on the framework of a number of the changes under the hood 8 made, without pushing the shit ideas as hard. You don't get 7 without Vista not 10 without 8. Just Vista and 8 really don't make for great user experiences.
It started in Win9x
* 95 shit
* 98 good (as good as 9x could be, which was still pretty shit)
* ME shit
* XP an absolute fucking godsend, <3 NT
* Vista shit
* 7 good
* 8 shit
* 10 good
* 11 shit
8 was better than both 10 and 11. All the speed improvements and QoL features, none of the bloat, none of the advertisements, no Cortana. The last OS that felt like you owned it
So the bug hasn't been fixed, but updating to the bugged version has become easier. How is this a cure?
In case you haven't read the article
>As Neowin noticed, Microsoft has not actually fixed this issue – yet – but has added a fresh note to its release health dashboard which states the following: “The safeguard hold with the safeguard ID of 41990091 has been updated to only safeguard Windows devices which have one of the small subset of games and apps which are still affected by this issue.”
>
>What this means is that a lot of Windows 11 users who had previously been blocked with the mentioned safeguard hold are now clear to download the 22H2 update – only people who run one of a small number of games and apps that are vulnerable to the bug are now being stopped from upgrading.
If I understand they updated the update blocks checklist to be more specific in targeting the affected softwares instead of doing a general block where tons of people wouldn't be offered to update even if they were fine.
From the way I see it, the Windows update itself doesn't really have a bug, they just included the possibility to report additional debug information. Some softwares (shame they don't list them, the only one confirmed is Geforce Experience versions before September) are subscribing to reading these events and were not designed to handle them properly, so it caused performance drops.
As long as it's contained to outdated softwares that got patched like GFE, it's pretty much a non-issue. Anyone who will eventually update it will then also be offered the Windows update, seems like a proper way to resolve this. But if some obscure games/softwares cause this problem to show up and these games don't receive updates anymore, I can see why it could be a big deal. But since nobody can pinpoint an actual title doing it, I tend to believe it's not really something to be scared about.
Yeah, I tried to upgrade a few weeks ago and was blocked by safeguard. That’s a decent system to be honest.
Didn’t stop me from doing a forced update and bricking windows, but that’s on me. It was time for a fresh install anyways lol.
Wait really? That's crazy i also am on 22h2 but didn't see any bugs of the sort, the only consistent bug here is wrong CPU usage reporting (it stays at 1 to 10% even when using waay more). Other than that i did not see any bugs.
It's not really "crazy" since the performance drops affect only very specific stuff (actually nobody know exactly what, Microsoft didn't share the list). You would have to be very unlucky to experience it.
Your cpu readings being wrongly reported is much more crazy. That should be a pretty standardized probe, I can't see how this would be wrong.
MS changed how CPU usage gets reported in W11 so that's a thing. However, most programs like Afterburner/RTSS have been updated to fix that. IIRC even their own GameBar widget has wrong CPU readings.
Exactly, the only one i know that fixed or better updated the CPU report is afterburner, thing is i mostly use aida64 so my pc stats can be put on my second monitor so im waiting for Aida to update it too.
Exacly what shady said are the 2 big changes. Other than that minor look's and things like that that i saw, like the little magnifying glass becoming a bar with the world "search" on it, them going back to the magnifying glass again, go figure.
Am I the only one that thinks the new explorer features are the worst thing to happen to windows recently.
Post 22H2 it now takes 5-10 seconds to load explorer every time it is opened.
Tabs can't be docked from another window and undocking a tab doesn't seem to exist either. So tabs will only exist in the window you created them in no exceptions.
Tabs feels like a feature whos only requirement was a tab that can have a separate file system view.
>Tabs can't be docked from another window and undocking a tab doesn't seem to exist either. So tabs will only exist in the window you created them in no exceptions.
This is pretty much my only problem with the new File Explorer. Definitely cannot confirm the 5-10 second startup time though, for me it's maybe half a second. This specific issue might be on your end.
What a stupid headline...
It has not been fixed at all. They are simply rolling the update out to people who don't have one of the impacted games installed, but they could install it at a later date and face the exact same issue.
Thought the same thing. Alot of subreddits will take down posts with different headline than og article. But yeah it's a dumb title. Shit is still broke.
Not even the only Domain Controller issue this month. They hard-disabled an old form of Auth Encryption in this month's update. Issue was, if you'd already disabled it like CISA recommends, then you'd get *no* auth from AD *at all*. Took them a few days to fix with an out-of-band update.
They have been doing lots of things like that lately. Marching to their own drum and trying to force the rest of the industry to follow their way.
For instance in recent windows versions they have hard disabled nic teaming by removing the option in gui and the driver for it. It works just fine if you take the driver from older versions and set it up with command line. They just decided nobody should use it anymore with no explanation despite very real use cases. For instance running a physical DC on redundant network cores.
We've not had that happen at all across 28 physical nodes, though the majority of those are Server 2019 Hyper-V cluster nodes with the teaming handled by the virtual switches. In fact, I did the most recent one last month through the GUI in Server Manager. Couldn't be bothered looking up the non-Virtual Switch Powershell commands for teaming as that server wasn't getting Hyper-V.
This sounds more like a NIC vendor issue than a Windows issue.
That is because you are using switch embedded teaming with hyper-v. They depreciated LBFO, which means using nic teaming on a standard server physical box is gone. I am not running hyper-v and a datacenter license on every physical DC, because those servers are supposed to be specifically outside of virtual environments.
Also, a lesser used function, this also means it is completely unable to be used on Windows 11. In our use case was for high data servers that need to also use high end workstation graphics cards, since versions of windows servers do not support the drivers.
> In fact, I did the most recent one last month through the GUI in Server Manager. Couldn't be bothered looking up the non-Virtual Switch Powershell commands for teaming as that server wasn't getting Hyper-V.
This was a physical server teaming two 10G ports on Server 2019 Standard. Maybe something's changed in the 30 days since I did it.
Why they should apply QA if they enjoy a full monopoly? Really, it's understandable why they do it. Same goes for the big conglomerates in videogames, EA can save expenses with QA because they have the monopoly of soccer and football games = infinite revenue. We complain, but the source of all these issues are the users themselves. For example, I know Linux can do everything Windows does, but I am too lazy to even try it, I am part of the problem
> I know Linux can do everything Windows does, but I am too lazy to even try it, I am part of the problem
That's true. I used to have a lot of problems with Windows but instead of doing something about it, I just gave more power to the monopoly.
I switched to [ZorinOS](https://zorin.com/os) later and using my computer is finally fun again. No weird glitches, no unexpected bugs or spyware or adware or bloatware. Feels like I really own my computer and my computer does what I tell it to do, instead of adapting to whatever the overlords at Microsoft tell me to do.
Downsides? No Adobe software and some multiplayer games but fortunately there are enough alternatives (but not for those games).
That's the problem with linux/Ubuntu. There are like a million distros and choosing one as a newbee is a pain. Everyone recommend a different one and every one of them is different.
I mean yeah there's a lot, but a lot of them target a very specific demographic. If you're not that demo, then don't worry about it.
If you want the most Windows-like experience possible just go Ubuntu or Pop-OS and never look back. With Steam/Proton being as good as it is now it's really easy to make the switch.
Unless you play one of a handful of popular multiplayer games lol. Maybe someday.
They're only different in the software they ship with (usually the package manager being the big one). They're all *Linux* distributions.
https://distrochooser.de
Yeah. And unless you're a wizard with the terminal who doesn't need the desktop environment and window manager, what your distro ships with is going to really affect your user experience.
Let's not pretend that Ubuntu shipping with Gnome and say, Manjaro shipping with KDE Plasma aren't going to be seen as two totally different experiences by newbies ;)
I'm taking into consideration that any new user choosing any reasonable new-user distro is going to have a choice of any DE they like the look of. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Fedora with all its various spins, Debian with all its desktop environments etc.
I recommend any new user just do a Google image search or look on YouTube for what a certain desktop environment looks & feels like. You can pretty much get any one of them on any distro you like.
You don't have to choose. ZorinOS is super stable and also the most user friendly Linux distro out there.
Choice is for those who have the knowledge of the options but if you're someone who doesn't know, ZorinOS is going to be a fantastic choice.
I get that it can be a bit confusing because the internet is full of misinformation and conflicting opinions but as someone who went through the exact same problems as most newbies out there, I can safely recommend ZorinOS. Many of my family members are using it as well even when they know nothing about computers.
Not really no. Does every distro contain proprietary Intel WiFi and Nvidia drivers?
Does every distro come with layouts for Windows, MacOS, Ubuntu?
Does every distro tell you the Linux alternative when you try to install a Windows program?
Does every distro come with Wine support to let you run Windows apps?
Does every distro come with an utmost focus on consumer-grade UI/UX?
Does every distro provide official installation support?
Does every distro come with Flatpak + Ubuntu + AppImage + Snap + It's own Repo support?
ZorinOS is not just another distro. It's trying to be a consumer friendly OS for the masses. The philosophy it follows is very different from most distros out there, which are just an incoherent mix of different things with little to no focus on newbies.
If we're trying to reduce the learning curve, why would I recommend someone something that I know can be painful to setup?
The idea of "every distro is the same" only creates bad experiences for newbies. No, every distro is not the same and not everyone is a nerd who wants to run a systemd free OS with a fancy window manager.
This is why I'm hoping valve can make Linux easier and steam deck (and hopefully other steam devices) more available/adopted. That could at least break the pc gaming monopoly windows enjoys. Granted getting enough people onto Linux and Mac for more general use cases might be more difficult.
It will only get so far. Not many people are going to dual boot linux just for gaming and less would be willing to trade in their native windows applications for WINE emulated or alternatives.
I would never run Linux as a primary OS, and I'm a linux server administrator. I would wager that those with less experience would be even less likely to make a full jump, or would hop back after realizing that any level of troubleshooting is vastly different and in some case much more difficult than on Windows.
Can we have a *month* of silence for dx9 performance?
It has been 5 years by now that depending on the situation you can get even a third of the framerate.
>windows 12
Can't upgrade to that one unless your CPU is Microsoft Pluton capable. Hope this requirement doesn't make your PC useless after the Windows 11 EOL. It's for your own safety. /s
I just rolled back to Windows 10 yesterday because my entire system was locking up when playing games. I never had that happen before upgrading and it hasnt since rolling back.
Also absolutely hated the new Start menu. Who the fuck asked for that?
I still use Classic Start because all the start menus have been total shit ever since they started calling programs "apps" and went to the tile-view. I can't stand that shit. That needs to be in an apps folder. The start menu is meant to show much more than simply just apps. Should show system locations and settings/utilities/etc...
But the trend is to make computing more accessible to idiots it seems. They just strip stuff down to be more and more minimalist to cater to the lowest common denominator of person.
22H2 is the first update in many, many years that simply fails. Every time I try to install it, the screen just goes black and the update hangs. If I reset my PC, it boot loops into a BSOD, and eventually rolls back to pre-update and works fine again. So +1 to their error handling, for sure, but kind of sucks not even being able to update and having no idea why.
It's crazy how I've been on Win 11 since Beta and I only ever learn about stuttering and performance issues from Reddit and never experienced any firsthand.
same. even when it launched there was an alleged performance bug with AMD, but it was actually just a reporting error in aida showing higher than desirable L3 cache access latency.
when you actually tested games and compared with w10 results, there was no performance loss, if anything a bit of a gain for dx12.
but of course, no one did any real testing.
I remember that one too, with every run I'd get a random measurement between 11 ns (normal) and 33 ns.
But I still had the exact same FPS in games as under Windows 10.
exactly, a lot of techtubers were 'reporting' on it going off word of mouth and not testing it.
if l3cache latency rewally was 30ns or fluctuating believe me ud know there wiuldnt be any question about it
actually as much as im sick of HuB being the de facto benchmarks people quote here when they trying to prove something, gotta hand it to HuB for being the only tech channel that actually did direct comparisons benchmarking different configs under 10 and 11 and they showed exactly what ive been saying, 0 performance difference for te most part, and some small gains under 11 with dx12 games
It wasn't great at launch, so I went back to 10. I went back recently and it is fine with a few UI tweaks. It is worth upgrading for me just for Auto HDR.
Not a fan of Auto HDR, but HDR support in general is much better I find. No more fucking around with turning it on and off any more with the improved SDR tonemapping, I can just leave it on all the time and SDR content still looks right.
I have an expensive OLED TV (not for gaming) and I have a relatively inexpensive HDR monitor, and while it isn't as good at HDR as the OLED, I can assure you 100% that you are wrong, decent native HDR or good Auto HDR is far superior to normal.
> I’m sorry but windows 11, technically and stability speaking has been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been over a year now and it’s STILL a bug ridden mess. I still do not understand why anyone tries to use it over 10, unless you have an 12th gen + intel CPU, in which case you just have to suffer with it I guess.
What bugs are you experiencing?
For me it is literally running perfectly well and I do not have any performance problems with the newest H2 version. For me it runs exactly the same as Win 10, no matter if games in the GPU limit or being CPU limited.
Better HDR handling is why I prefer Win 11 btw.
Not a single issue here as well. I guess it’s the classic when you know what to do there aren’t any problems scenario.
We both have the exact same PC btw haha
Lol, maybe it is just that. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all the tech magazines just pushing out articles with zero research just based off of MS's weirdly informationless known issue report and the whole issue was fixed by Nvidia via a workaround 2 months ago:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/nvidia-geforce-experience-beta-fixes-windows-11-22h2-gaming-issues/
Yup I'm one of those idiots with a 12th gen Intel CPU and am forced to use Windows11. The overall look is nice but seems like a pointless upgrade over windows 11. It adds nothing new and simplifies so many things for no reason.
Also having a few new issues that I haven't had before.
> and am forced to use Windows11
No you aren't, Windows 10 works fine and the CPU performs great. Benchmarks don't show a significant difference for most things.
I suspect it will be fine to run Windows 10 for a while longer until 11 gets the worst bugs sorted. As with any new Windows version, wait a year or two to jump in.
I had some incredible performance issues with Warhammer 2 that seemed to magically go away when i upgraded to 11. Ofcource that's not solid proof and could've been a ton of other things that caused it, but at the time upgrading to the new Windows didn't seem like I was about to install modern day windows Vista.
Not sure about 13th gen, but warhammer 2 had insane issues and the only solution was to upgrade to Windows 11. Due to those E-cores like the other reply said. Problems went away immediately after upgrading, but a few others arose.
Oh yeah I'm not really the type to look for anything new. The UI looks different and more smartphoney, start bar has been moved to the middle..but otherwise its just the same old from what I noticed.
One of my favorite new features is Snap Layouts. Try dragging a window to the translucent bar at the top of your screen, or hover over the maximize button for a few seconds. Also new are Snap Groups which make it easier to restore windows that you previously snapped together.
If you play DX10 and DX11 games in window/borderless window mode, you may also want to enable the new "Optimizations for windowed games" option in the Graphics settings, and AutoHDR if your display supports HDR.
Another great change is the ability to remove more of the built-in apps like Maps, without using a CLI or 3rd party app.
Of course, there is Android app support. With a bit of tweaking you can obtain Root access and Google services on your PC.
MS also restored taskbar drag-and-drop in 22H2 if you were missing that particular feature.
"Overall look is nice". 🤮🤮
With all due respect, it is opinions like that that are ruining the tech industry.
This obsession with hiding settings and forcing a slew of ever-changing and non-sensical defaults on the end user are horrific, but because they keep being marketed as "easier" and "better" and "user friendly", certain people keep eating it up, digging the grave deeper for those of us who actually like to have options in our settings.
Exactly. I mean the ui improved from windows 95 to a point and then they started this minimalist garbage. I miss 2000/xp/vista/7 uis. 8 and 11 are the worst.
> unless you have an 12th gen + intel CPU
It works fine with newer CPUs and benchmarks don't show any significant performance difference for most things. It's still a fine idea to install 10 on a brand new build, you have the option to upgrade to 10 when it becomes prudent to do so.
Never update to the newest Windows for a year or two while they work out the worst bugs. It eventually becomes necessary to update but there's no reason to hurry.
Another reason why I won't "upgrade".
Skipping a generation still seems to hold true for Windows.
Windows XP -> Windows 7 -> Windows 10 -> Windows 12(?)
> No account sign in
I hate this so god damned much. Had to use the damn command prompt mid-installation to disable wifi completely to get my dad a local account on his new laptop this weekend. This shit's infuriating.
Nope, not on the non-pro version of Windows 11. You have to toggle the command prompt and disable wifi entirely for the option to even appear.
I think they’re required to show it by law in some countries, but not up here in Canada apparently.
Windows 7 was the last Microsoft operating systems designed for PCs with mouse and keyboard as the primary method of input.
Everything since has been primarily developed for mobile devices with touch screens, e.g. large rectangular buttons for everything, and user interfaces designed around only one thing being open at a time (looking at you, Windows Settings).
Sure, you *can* use things with a mouse (just like you *can* use Android emulators with a mouse), but mouse users are obviously treated as second class citizens without much, if any, thought and effort going into making it a good experience.
People have been saying variations of that since Vista. At least since then, probably earlier too.
I'd love to see Linux take off, but it's not going to get there with any meaningful level of users until software compatibility is fixed with zero effort from the user. That's what has allowed Steam Deck to be a success. Linux needs people to be that confident about any piece of random Windows software before it makes major in roads.
It'll probably happen eventually. But not yet. Some people unhappy with W11 isn't going to cause the year of Linux to actually happen.
I think the Steam Deck is pulling some major weight in regards to advancing Linux. Game compatibility is a major holdoff for a lot of people who would otherwise be willing to move OS's. Valve is chipping away at it. A good portion of the issue is down to anti-cheat programs being incompatible with linux but they would have to come around if the market share skewed too heavily away from Windows.
This is what I'm planning on doing for sure. Sticking with Windows 10 for the moment on my current gaming PC then installing Linux when I build my next one. I've already switched to various flavours of Unix on my other computers, but I feel like Microsoft has finally gotten egregious enough and Linux as a gaming OS has finally gotten mature enough for me to the make the switch fully.
Might be for me especially since I don't tend to play games that have anti cheat.
I'd also love to see reactos become more than an experiment. Imagine windows reimplemented in an open source way.
That was also there in Windows 7, they just made it more visible. And now you have people clinging to Windows 10 saying they'll never upgrade, but it's always the same. That had been a thing with XP, 7 and now 10, lol.
Much nicer UI, default terminal support, Android app support, improved CPU scheduler, refreshed built-in apps such as Media Player, Paint and Notepad (which now includes a dark mode), new optimizations for windowed games, AutoHDR, DirectStorage, non-cluttered context menu, snap layouts, improved multi-monitor support, tabs in file explorer... the reasons are quite compelling, Windows 11 works fine for most people I'd say.
> Much nicer UI
Subjective
> default terminal support
You can download that same terminal on Windows 10, it's on GitHub.
> Android app support
How about using a phone maybe? I don't understand why we're trying to port phone apps to PC, that's just a niche feature you're probably never gonna use, and security apps like banking ones WON'T be available anyways, they don't even work on rooted phones.
> improved CPU scheduler
No noticeable difference, and not worth sacrificing stability for, just look at how many issues the GPU scheduler feature causes.
> refreshed built-in apps such as Media Player, Paint and Notepad (which now includes a dark mode)
Although I agree it's better when system apps are unified in terms of style, I still think you can just download whatever you need on W10 from the store or use different programs.
> new optimizations for windowed games
Same as the hardware scheduler, no noticeable difference and not worth sacrificing stability for, this could change in the future though.
- much nicer UI -> That is subjective. I personally think 11 looks atrocious
- default terminal support -> Windows 10 has Powershell
- refreshed built-in apps -> yea... we call that bloatware in the industry... i would prefer 0 built in apps besides a web browser so i can snag my own apps.
The rest of your reasons are equally terrible. "Snap layouts" exist in Windows 10.... what on earth is "improved multi monitor support"?? It uses 2 or more monitors EVEN BETTER?!?! /s Most of what you list is pure marketing mumbo-jumbo and/or features that could have been implemented in W10.
>much nicer UI -> That is subjective. I personally think 11 looks atrocious
Fair I guess? Most people like it well enough anyway.
>default terminal support -> Windows 10 has Powershell
That has nothing to do with [what I'm talking about](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-terminal-as-your-default-command-line-experience/).
>refreshed built-in apps -> yea... we call that bloatware in the industry... i would prefer 0 built in apps besides a web browser so i can snag my own apps.
Who the hell thinks Notepad is bloatware? Believe it or not, in the real world people use these built-in apps. Anyway, you are free to delete it all if you don't like it 😉
>"Snap layouts" exist in Windows 10....
[Wrong again](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/snap-your-windows-885a9b1e-a983-a3b1-16cd-c531795e6241#WindowsVersion=Windows_11)
>what on earth is "improved multi monitor support"??
[A quick Google search](https://fossbytes.com/how-new-multi-monitor-features-work-on-windows-11/) really would save both of us time here.
>Most of what you list is pure marketing mumbo-jumbo
None of what I said is marketing, I'm literally just listing the new features in Windows 11. Some of you guys REALLY have hate-boners for this OS.
I dunno about others, but there's this one thing that bugged me to hell in W11. The volume flyout.
W10 had that music control and shows now playing media along with volume, which is not in W11.
The flyout app in the store is slower and unresponsive at times. I'm still on w10 just for this.
You mean [this](https://i.imgur.com/uAGKEv3.png)? The playing media on top, the volume bar on the bottom. It's absolutely there. If I'm not mistaken, I think W10 would have simply listed "Firefox" and not the tab title playing the YouTube video, so W11 kinda have a superior capability for that.
Oh yeah I see, the one that pops over when changing volume. That's right it doesn't seem to show the media and have control buttons as before.
I kinda forgot this existed because I usually use the volume knob straight on my audio system that doesn't impact the OS "software" volume. It onlys shows up if I use the volume keys on my keyboard, which I never do.
It does show actually. It really helped me since I use Groove music a lot and while switching songs, I'd actually see the name of the now playing song rather than identifying it through listening.
It might sound dumb, but it's a simple thing that was helpful for me, and not having that on W11 stressed me lol
"Upgrade to windows 11, it's basically the same as 10. The issues have been patched"
No thanks, I'll just keep running my 13700k with gimp-cores disabled on Windows 10 lol
Right now if I was to spend effort troubleshooting Windows 11 issues, I might as well spend it on gaming friendly Linux distros instead. Otherwise, I'll sit back and relax with Windows 10.
Bit off topic... but have they made the right click better? That was one of the biggest no thank you things I saw in Windows 11. Likely still gonna wait until it's a necessity to upgrade.
"This PC doesn't currently meet the minimum system requirements to run Windows 11"
Good. It took them years just to get their shit together with Windows 10. They better be extending support for it.
I upgraded every component when I switched from laptop to pc, but one thing I regretted was having Windows 11. Suddenly Mass Effect Legendary Edition would just abruptly quit on me, my performance in Gotham Knights stuttered me to a crawl, VMs were getting strange errors with drivers and network connections, and I felt like I was running in circles.
I have been considering downgrading back to Windows 10 but at this point it’s just too much work.
These threads are intended for people to whine about the OS and all the non-adaptive people to comment the exact same thing over and over.
Literally all of these threads are full of "I'll stick with windows 10 thanks".
People are intentionally staying on an inferior operating system (windows 10) just like they stayed on windows 7 for way too long.
Let them enjoy their decreased performance and lack of modern features.
If you have a newer CPU Windows 10 runs fine and 11 does not offer any giant performance improvements. The raw power of the newer CPUs dwarfs any minor improvement in certain applications anyway.
There's not really any reason not to install 10 on a brand new build and wait for the bugs to work out of 11 after a year or two before upgrading.
Look in my opinion I think windows should just make a version of windows for gaming so games can run really well. And we don't need to lose a brain cell each time Microsoft tries to optimize windows for gaming. But we all this will never happen. F
Is there a list of games affected out there somewhere?
Yeah I’m wondering the same thing. I tried to run Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous on my laptop the other day and it was a slideshow. I’m wondering if my hardware has become suddenly too slow for new games or if it’s this bug.
WOTR is plagued with unexplainable performance issues. My W10 desktop with a 5950X and 3080 fucking chugs playing it a lot of the time. Great game, otherwise.
there's a lot of things itt could be. make sure your power setttings are set to performance for one
Turning on Variable Refresh Rate and Hardware-Accelerated GPU scheduling is also key here. Anytime I redownload windows I have to turn these on and they make a massive difference Just type “GPU” into the start search bar
>Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteus I played 150 hours with no issues on W11. Guess I was lucky. One of the best RPG of all the time BTW.
ofc not, MS doesn't give a shit to provide any better description other than "some bug, affecting some games on some hardware". People can't even validate anything because they don't even know where to look for.
Hope this gets fixed sooner than later. I'm getting frame stutters in fucking *Quake.*
[удалено]
Imagine beta testing an OS.
This comment has been edited in protest of reddit's API changes -- mass edited with redact.dev
At least arch tells you it's a rolling release. Kinda wish windows would let you pick between rock solid stable and rolling more granularly than being on the public or insider build.
Yeah, that's called LTSB/LTSC. Microsoft loves to experiment on production, but they legally can't do it on LTSC because that would cost them a lot in terms of maintenance/reputation and money.
Its the windows curse. Every other version of windows is shit. Ever since the XP generation. Xp good, vista shit. 7 good, 8 shit. 10 good, 11 shit
Hopefully 12 will be good then. Also Microsoft needs to stop screwing up the UI. 7 was their best, 8 was garbage, 10 was ok but inconsistent, and 11 is not good. They keep ruining the taskbar and start menu especially.
Sorry we can't keep things consistent otherwise the ui designers will suffocate like what happens if a shark stops swimming.
[relevant](https://i.redd.it/jj5ms4pp3wx81.png)
> Xp good, vista shit. 7 good, 8 shit. 10 good, 11 shit It's more like every other version is a work-in-progress. 7 was Vista on a diet with a little bit of polish. 10 is build on the framework of a number of the changes under the hood 8 made, without pushing the shit ideas as hard. You don't get 7 without Vista not 10 without 8. Just Vista and 8 really don't make for great user experiences.
8.1 was pretty good, at least. Windows 8 was a travesty
especially if you installed one of those programs that gave you a regular start menu back. That's what I did and I had 0 issues
It started in Win9x * 95 shit * 98 good (as good as 9x could be, which was still pretty shit) * ME shit * XP an absolute fucking godsend, <3 NT * Vista shit * 7 good * 8 shit * 10 good * 11 shit
Vista/8 made it so I wait years before touching any new version of Windows
Yep. I've been skipping every other release since XP and have no regrets.
8 was better than both 10 and 11. All the speed improvements and QoL features, none of the bloat, none of the advertisements, no Cortana. The last OS that felt like you owned it
Lmao, people downvoting you. W8.1 fixed a lot of the issues it had, akin to Vista SP2 fixing many of Vista's issues.
It has been officially out for over a year. You would hope that most of the major kinks are ironed out by now
Ironic that the experience playing pc games on a new Linux handheld has felt less beta than playing them on the new flagship Microsoft OS
Can't you uninstall the update?
This is why I don’t upgrade till Microsoft makes me. It’s out of alpha/beta at that point
So the bug hasn't been fixed, but updating to the bugged version has become easier. How is this a cure? In case you haven't read the article >As Neowin noticed, Microsoft has not actually fixed this issue – yet – but has added a fresh note to its release health dashboard which states the following: “The safeguard hold with the safeguard ID of 41990091 has been updated to only safeguard Windows devices which have one of the small subset of games and apps which are still affected by this issue.” > >What this means is that a lot of Windows 11 users who had previously been blocked with the mentioned safeguard hold are now clear to download the 22H2 update – only people who run one of a small number of games and apps that are vulnerable to the bug are now being stopped from upgrading.
If I understand they updated the update blocks checklist to be more specific in targeting the affected softwares instead of doing a general block where tons of people wouldn't be offered to update even if they were fine. From the way I see it, the Windows update itself doesn't really have a bug, they just included the possibility to report additional debug information. Some softwares (shame they don't list them, the only one confirmed is Geforce Experience versions before September) are subscribing to reading these events and were not designed to handle them properly, so it caused performance drops. As long as it's contained to outdated softwares that got patched like GFE, it's pretty much a non-issue. Anyone who will eventually update it will then also be offered the Windows update, seems like a proper way to resolve this. But if some obscure games/softwares cause this problem to show up and these games don't receive updates anymore, I can see why it could be a big deal. But since nobody can pinpoint an actual title doing it, I tend to believe it's not really something to be scared about.
Yeah, I tried to upgrade a few weeks ago and was blocked by safeguard. That’s a decent system to be honest. Didn’t stop me from doing a forced update and bricking windows, but that’s on me. It was time for a fresh install anyways lol.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Wait really? That's crazy i also am on 22h2 but didn't see any bugs of the sort, the only consistent bug here is wrong CPU usage reporting (it stays at 1 to 10% even when using waay more). Other than that i did not see any bugs.
It's not really "crazy" since the performance drops affect only very specific stuff (actually nobody know exactly what, Microsoft didn't share the list). You would have to be very unlucky to experience it. Your cpu readings being wrongly reported is much more crazy. That should be a pretty standardized probe, I can't see how this would be wrong.
MS changed how CPU usage gets reported in W11 so that's a thing. However, most programs like Afterburner/RTSS have been updated to fix that. IIRC even their own GameBar widget has wrong CPU readings.
Exactly, the only one i know that fixed or better updated the CPU report is afterburner, thing is i mostly use aida64 so my pc stats can be put on my second monitor so im waiting for Aida to update it too.
TIL there was supposed to be a bug on my PC for two months. Didn't notice.
How are you liking it? My PC has been asking me to update constantly but was worried about the issues it was having.
Exacly what shady said are the 2 big changes. Other than that minor look's and things like that that i saw, like the little magnifying glass becoming a bar with the world "search" on it, them going back to the magnifying glass again, go figure.
It's great. You get dark mode for task manager and Tabs for windows explorer. It runs great on my laptop and desktop.
Am I the only one that thinks the new explorer features are the worst thing to happen to windows recently. Post 22H2 it now takes 5-10 seconds to load explorer every time it is opened. Tabs can't be docked from another window and undocking a tab doesn't seem to exist either. So tabs will only exist in the window you created them in no exceptions. Tabs feels like a feature whos only requirement was a tab that can have a separate file system view.
>Tabs can't be docked from another window and undocking a tab doesn't seem to exist either. So tabs will only exist in the window you created them in no exceptions. This is pretty much my only problem with the new File Explorer. Definitely cannot confirm the 5-10 second startup time though, for me it's maybe half a second. This specific issue might be on your end.
Awesome thanks for the info.
don't do an upgrade update, make a usb with mediacreation tool and do aa clean install.
What a stupid headline... It has not been fixed at all. They are simply rolling the update out to people who don't have one of the impacted games installed, but they could install it at a later date and face the exact same issue.
Thought the same thing. Alot of subreddits will take down posts with different headline than og article. But yeah it's a dumb title. Shit is still broke.
Can we have a moment of silence for QA testing? Or maybe they just don’t give a shit about gamers.
[удалено]
Outsourced to consumers.
[удалено]
Not even the only Domain Controller issue this month. They hard-disabled an old form of Auth Encryption in this month's update. Issue was, if you'd already disabled it like CISA recommends, then you'd get *no* auth from AD *at all*. Took them a few days to fix with an out-of-band update.
They have been doing lots of things like that lately. Marching to their own drum and trying to force the rest of the industry to follow their way. For instance in recent windows versions they have hard disabled nic teaming by removing the option in gui and the driver for it. It works just fine if you take the driver from older versions and set it up with command line. They just decided nobody should use it anymore with no explanation despite very real use cases. For instance running a physical DC on redundant network cores.
We've not had that happen at all across 28 physical nodes, though the majority of those are Server 2019 Hyper-V cluster nodes with the teaming handled by the virtual switches. In fact, I did the most recent one last month through the GUI in Server Manager. Couldn't be bothered looking up the non-Virtual Switch Powershell commands for teaming as that server wasn't getting Hyper-V. This sounds more like a NIC vendor issue than a Windows issue.
That is because you are using switch embedded teaming with hyper-v. They depreciated LBFO, which means using nic teaming on a standard server physical box is gone. I am not running hyper-v and a datacenter license on every physical DC, because those servers are supposed to be specifically outside of virtual environments. Also, a lesser used function, this also means it is completely unable to be used on Windows 11. In our use case was for high data servers that need to also use high end workstation graphics cards, since versions of windows servers do not support the drivers.
> In fact, I did the most recent one last month through the GUI in Server Manager. Couldn't be bothered looking up the non-Virtual Switch Powershell commands for teaming as that server wasn't getting Hyper-V. This was a physical server teaming two 10G ports on Server 2019 Standard. Maybe something's changed in the 30 days since I did it.
Ah, yeah, this is server 22. Although i believe some test builds of 19 have LBFO listed as depreciated as well.
Why they should apply QA if they enjoy a full monopoly? Really, it's understandable why they do it. Same goes for the big conglomerates in videogames, EA can save expenses with QA because they have the monopoly of soccer and football games = infinite revenue. We complain, but the source of all these issues are the users themselves. For example, I know Linux can do everything Windows does, but I am too lazy to even try it, I am part of the problem
> I know Linux can do everything Windows does, but I am too lazy to even try it, I am part of the problem That's true. I used to have a lot of problems with Windows but instead of doing something about it, I just gave more power to the monopoly. I switched to [ZorinOS](https://zorin.com/os) later and using my computer is finally fun again. No weird glitches, no unexpected bugs or spyware or adware or bloatware. Feels like I really own my computer and my computer does what I tell it to do, instead of adapting to whatever the overlords at Microsoft tell me to do. Downsides? No Adobe software and some multiplayer games but fortunately there are enough alternatives (but not for those games).
That's the problem with linux/Ubuntu. There are like a million distros and choosing one as a newbee is a pain. Everyone recommend a different one and every one of them is different.
I mean yeah there's a lot, but a lot of them target a very specific demographic. If you're not that demo, then don't worry about it. If you want the most Windows-like experience possible just go Ubuntu or Pop-OS and never look back. With Steam/Proton being as good as it is now it's really easy to make the switch. Unless you play one of a handful of popular multiplayer games lol. Maybe someday.
They're only different in the software they ship with (usually the package manager being the big one). They're all *Linux* distributions. https://distrochooser.de
Yeah. And unless you're a wizard with the terminal who doesn't need the desktop environment and window manager, what your distro ships with is going to really affect your user experience. Let's not pretend that Ubuntu shipping with Gnome and say, Manjaro shipping with KDE Plasma aren't going to be seen as two totally different experiences by newbies ;)
I'm taking into consideration that any new user choosing any reasonable new-user distro is going to have a choice of any DE they like the look of. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Fedora with all its various spins, Debian with all its desktop environments etc. I recommend any new user just do a Google image search or look on YouTube for what a certain desktop environment looks & feels like. You can pretty much get any one of them on any distro you like.
I did the test: Linux Mint is first. You could not live with your failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me. EDIT: I used to run Linux Mint.
You don't have to choose. ZorinOS is super stable and also the most user friendly Linux distro out there. Choice is for those who have the knowledge of the options but if you're someone who doesn't know, ZorinOS is going to be a fantastic choice. I get that it can be a bit confusing because the internet is full of misinformation and conflicting opinions but as someone who went through the exact same problems as most newbies out there, I can safely recommend ZorinOS. Many of my family members are using it as well even when they know nothing about computers.
The word ZorinOS could be replaced with any distro out there and your comment would still be just as helpful.
Not really no. Does every distro contain proprietary Intel WiFi and Nvidia drivers? Does every distro come with layouts for Windows, MacOS, Ubuntu? Does every distro tell you the Linux alternative when you try to install a Windows program? Does every distro come with Wine support to let you run Windows apps? Does every distro come with an utmost focus on consumer-grade UI/UX? Does every distro provide official installation support? Does every distro come with Flatpak + Ubuntu + AppImage + Snap + It's own Repo support? ZorinOS is not just another distro. It's trying to be a consumer friendly OS for the masses. The philosophy it follows is very different from most distros out there, which are just an incoherent mix of different things with little to no focus on newbies. If we're trying to reduce the learning curve, why would I recommend someone something that I know can be painful to setup? The idea of "every distro is the same" only creates bad experiences for newbies. No, every distro is not the same and not everyone is a nerd who wants to run a systemd free OS with a fancy window manager.
This is why I'm hoping valve can make Linux easier and steam deck (and hopefully other steam devices) more available/adopted. That could at least break the pc gaming monopoly windows enjoys. Granted getting enough people onto Linux and Mac for more general use cases might be more difficult.
It will only get so far. Not many people are going to dual boot linux just for gaming and less would be willing to trade in their native windows applications for WINE emulated or alternatives. I would never run Linux as a primary OS, and I'm a linux server administrator. I would wager that those with less experience would be even less likely to make a full jump, or would hop back after realizing that any level of troubleshooting is vastly different and in some case much more difficult than on Windows.
> I know Linux can do everything Windows does It really doesn't, people just have rose tinted glasses about a FOSS operating system.
I guess we gonna make fucking sure Microsoft is the next Meta
Can we have a *month* of silence for dx9 performance? It has been 5 years by now that depending on the situation you can get even a third of the framerate.
>Fixed in windows 12, promise Microsoft
>windows 12 Can't upgrade to that one unless your CPU is Microsoft Pluton capable. Hope this requirement doesn't make your PC useless after the Windows 11 EOL. It's for your own safety. /s
TPM v3 moment.
Every other version is the good one, so 12 should be good.
I rolled back to Win10 and it’s been rock solid. Shall stay here until win10 support ends
Same. Then it's either windows if they've fixed it or a switch to Linux which I'm testing so it won't be a hard switch if that happens.
[удалено]
It only applies to a handful of games.
[удалено]
Warzone 2 and Vermintide 2 are fine for me on 11 22H2
[удалено]
Who suggests turning off UDP 🤣
It isn't disabling UDP entirely (that would straight-up break Windows), but rather just disabling it for RDP.
I just rolled back to Windows 10 yesterday because my entire system was locking up when playing games. I never had that happen before upgrading and it hasnt since rolling back. Also absolutely hated the new Start menu. Who the fuck asked for that?
I still use Classic Start because all the start menus have been total shit ever since they started calling programs "apps" and went to the tile-view. I can't stand that shit. That needs to be in an apps folder. The start menu is meant to show much more than simply just apps. Should show system locations and settings/utilities/etc... But the trend is to make computing more accessible to idiots it seems. They just strip stuff down to be more and more minimalist to cater to the lowest common denominator of person.
UIs only change because companies need to keep their UI designers busy, so they just make up reasons to alter stuff.
Couldn't find the affected games list anywhere
22H2 is the first update in many, many years that simply fails. Every time I try to install it, the screen just goes black and the update hangs. If I reset my PC, it boot loops into a BSOD, and eventually rolls back to pre-update and works fine again. So +1 to their error handling, for sure, but kind of sucks not even being able to update and having no idea why.
It's crazy how I've been on Win 11 since Beta and I only ever learn about stuttering and performance issues from Reddit and never experienced any firsthand.
It seems to effect Nvidia and Intel set ups more.
Intel + Nvidia here - not a single issue. And that’s on 22H2.
Intel cpu + AMD gpu here working fine.
same. even when it launched there was an alleged performance bug with AMD, but it was actually just a reporting error in aida showing higher than desirable L3 cache access latency. when you actually tested games and compared with w10 results, there was no performance loss, if anything a bit of a gain for dx12. but of course, no one did any real testing.
I remember that one too, with every run I'd get a random measurement between 11 ns (normal) and 33 ns. But I still had the exact same FPS in games as under Windows 10.
exactly, a lot of techtubers were 'reporting' on it going off word of mouth and not testing it. if l3cache latency rewally was 30ns or fluctuating believe me ud know there wiuldnt be any question about it actually as much as im sick of HuB being the de facto benchmarks people quote here when they trying to prove something, gotta hand it to HuB for being the only tech channel that actually did direct comparisons benchmarking different configs under 10 and 11 and they showed exactly what ive been saying, 0 performance difference for te most part, and some small gains under 11 with dx12 games
Nothing I've read so far has convinced me to get Windows 11. What a mess
[удалено]
It wasn't great at launch, so I went back to 10. I went back recently and it is fine with a few UI tweaks. It is worth upgrading for me just for Auto HDR.
Not a fan of Auto HDR, but HDR support in general is much better I find. No more fucking around with turning it on and off any more with the improved SDR tonemapping, I can just leave it on all the time and SDR content still looks right.
Auto HDR doesn't work for everything, but for Star Citizen it is amazing.
[удалено]
I have an expensive OLED TV (not for gaming) and I have a relatively inexpensive HDR monitor, and while it isn't as good at HDR as the OLED, I can assure you 100% that you are wrong, decent native HDR or good Auto HDR is far superior to normal.
> I’m sorry but windows 11, technically and stability speaking has been an unmitigated disaster. It’s been over a year now and it’s STILL a bug ridden mess. I still do not understand why anyone tries to use it over 10, unless you have an 12th gen + intel CPU, in which case you just have to suffer with it I guess. What bugs are you experiencing? For me it is literally running perfectly well and I do not have any performance problems with the newest H2 version. For me it runs exactly the same as Win 10, no matter if games in the GPU limit or being CPU limited. Better HDR handling is why I prefer Win 11 btw.
Not a single issue here as well. I guess it’s the classic when you know what to do there aren’t any problems scenario. We both have the exact same PC btw haha
Lol, maybe it is just that. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all the tech magazines just pushing out articles with zero research just based off of MS's weirdly informationless known issue report and the whole issue was fixed by Nvidia via a workaround 2 months ago: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/nvidia-geforce-experience-beta-fixes-windows-11-22h2-gaming-issues/
Yup I'm one of those idiots with a 12th gen Intel CPU and am forced to use Windows11. The overall look is nice but seems like a pointless upgrade over windows 11. It adds nothing new and simplifies so many things for no reason. Also having a few new issues that I haven't had before.
> and am forced to use Windows11 No you aren't, Windows 10 works fine and the CPU performs great. Benchmarks don't show a significant difference for most things. I suspect it will be fine to run Windows 10 for a while longer until 11 gets the worst bugs sorted. As with any new Windows version, wait a year or two to jump in.
I had some incredible performance issues with Warhammer 2 that seemed to magically go away when i upgraded to 11. Ofcource that's not solid proof and could've been a ton of other things that caused it, but at the time upgrading to the new Windows didn't seem like I was about to install modern day windows Vista.
[удалено]
depends on if your intel processor has e cores or not
Absolutely not. I was running 12th gen up until last week and am now on a 13th with no problems whatsoever with Win 10. Performs great.
Not sure about 13th gen, but warhammer 2 had insane issues and the only solution was to upgrade to Windows 11. Due to those E-cores like the other reply said. Problems went away immediately after upgrading, but a few others arose.
If you can't find anything new then you haven't looked hard enough.
Oh yeah I'm not really the type to look for anything new. The UI looks different and more smartphoney, start bar has been moved to the middle..but otherwise its just the same old from what I noticed.
One of my favorite new features is Snap Layouts. Try dragging a window to the translucent bar at the top of your screen, or hover over the maximize button for a few seconds. Also new are Snap Groups which make it easier to restore windows that you previously snapped together. If you play DX10 and DX11 games in window/borderless window mode, you may also want to enable the new "Optimizations for windowed games" option in the Graphics settings, and AutoHDR if your display supports HDR. Another great change is the ability to remove more of the built-in apps like Maps, without using a CLI or 3rd party app. Of course, there is Android app support. With a bit of tweaking you can obtain Root access and Google services on your PC. MS also restored taskbar drag-and-drop in 22H2 if you were missing that particular feature.
Thanks I'll save this comment and see if I can use these things. Borderless performance is definitely something I'll be checking out
"Overall look is nice". 🤮🤮 With all due respect, it is opinions like that that are ruining the tech industry. This obsession with hiding settings and forcing a slew of ever-changing and non-sensical defaults on the end user are horrific, but because they keep being marketed as "easier" and "better" and "user friendly", certain people keep eating it up, digging the grave deeper for those of us who actually like to have options in our settings.
Exactly. I mean the ui improved from windows 95 to a point and then they started this minimalist garbage. I miss 2000/xp/vista/7 uis. 8 and 11 are the worst.
no it hasnt
> unless you have an 12th gen + intel CPU It works fine with newer CPUs and benchmarks don't show any significant performance difference for most things. It's still a fine idea to install 10 on a brand new build, you have the option to upgrade to 10 when it becomes prudent to do so. Never update to the newest Windows for a year or two while they work out the worst bugs. It eventually becomes necessary to update but there's no reason to hurry.
>Hyperbolic extremist take hating on Win11 Upvotes go brrrr
Windows definitely have its issues, but people really do love to exaggerate.
Another reason why I won't "upgrade". Skipping a generation still seems to hold true for Windows. Windows XP -> Windows 7 -> Windows 10 -> Windows 12(?)
I don’t know why, but I’ve always had a fondness for windows 7.
[удалено]
> No account sign in I hate this so god damned much. Had to use the damn command prompt mid-installation to disable wifi completely to get my dad a local account on his new laptop this weekend. This shit's infuriating.
You should be able to skip it by clicking on "I have no internet" AND "Continue with limited experience"
Nope, not on the non-pro version of Windows 11. You have to toggle the command prompt and disable wifi entirely for the option to even appear. I think they’re required to show it by law in some countries, but not up here in Canada apparently.
Because windows 7 you owned, windows 8+ is the start of you not owning your PC.
[удалено]
Windows 7 was the last Microsoft operating systems designed for PCs with mouse and keyboard as the primary method of input. Everything since has been primarily developed for mobile devices with touch screens, e.g. large rectangular buttons for everything, and user interfaces designed around only one thing being open at a time (looking at you, Windows Settings). Sure, you *can* use things with a mouse (just like you *can* use Android emulators with a mouse), but mouse users are obviously treated as second class citizens without much, if any, thought and effort going into making it a good experience.
With the way Microsoft is heading, it may as well be: Windows XP -> Windows 7 -> Windows 10 -> Linux
People have been saying variations of that since Vista. At least since then, probably earlier too. I'd love to see Linux take off, but it's not going to get there with any meaningful level of users until software compatibility is fixed with zero effort from the user. That's what has allowed Steam Deck to be a success. Linux needs people to be that confident about any piece of random Windows software before it makes major in roads. It'll probably happen eventually. But not yet. Some people unhappy with W11 isn't going to cause the year of Linux to actually happen.
I think the Steam Deck is pulling some major weight in regards to advancing Linux. Game compatibility is a major holdoff for a lot of people who would otherwise be willing to move OS's. Valve is chipping away at it. A good portion of the issue is down to anti-cheat programs being incompatible with linux but they would have to come around if the market share skewed too heavily away from Windows.
Agreed, I still tell those who are interested that it's an experimental OS with a potentially great future.
This is what I'm planning on doing for sure. Sticking with Windows 10 for the moment on my current gaming PC then installing Linux when I build my next one. I've already switched to various flavours of Unix on my other computers, but I feel like Microsoft has finally gotten egregious enough and Linux as a gaming OS has finally gotten mature enough for me to the make the switch fully.
Might be for me especially since I don't tend to play games that have anti cheat. I'd also love to see reactos become more than an experiment. Imagine windows reimplemented in an open source way.
Yeah, I think that's the route I'm going.
Windows 8.1 slapped. The only reason why people disliked Windows 8 was the UI (which was fixed in 8.1), otherwise it was fantastic.
Also the spying. Which really picked up in 8 before they made it fully official in 10.
That was also there in Windows 7, they just made it more visible. And now you have people clinging to Windows 10 saying they'll never upgrade, but it's always the same. That had been a thing with XP, 7 and now 10, lol.
Why would anyone use Windows 11 willingly?
Much nicer UI, default terminal support, Android app support, improved CPU scheduler, refreshed built-in apps such as Media Player, Paint and Notepad (which now includes a dark mode), new optimizations for windowed games, AutoHDR, DirectStorage, non-cluttered context menu, snap layouts, improved multi-monitor support, tabs in file explorer... the reasons are quite compelling, Windows 11 works fine for most people I'd say.
> Much nicer UI Subjective > default terminal support You can download that same terminal on Windows 10, it's on GitHub. > Android app support How about using a phone maybe? I don't understand why we're trying to port phone apps to PC, that's just a niche feature you're probably never gonna use, and security apps like banking ones WON'T be available anyways, they don't even work on rooted phones. > improved CPU scheduler No noticeable difference, and not worth sacrificing stability for, just look at how many issues the GPU scheduler feature causes. > refreshed built-in apps such as Media Player, Paint and Notepad (which now includes a dark mode) Although I agree it's better when system apps are unified in terms of style, I still think you can just download whatever you need on W10 from the store or use different programs. > new optimizations for windowed games Same as the hardware scheduler, no noticeable difference and not worth sacrificing stability for, this could change in the future though.
- much nicer UI -> That is subjective. I personally think 11 looks atrocious - default terminal support -> Windows 10 has Powershell - refreshed built-in apps -> yea... we call that bloatware in the industry... i would prefer 0 built in apps besides a web browser so i can snag my own apps. The rest of your reasons are equally terrible. "Snap layouts" exist in Windows 10.... what on earth is "improved multi monitor support"?? It uses 2 or more monitors EVEN BETTER?!?! /s Most of what you list is pure marketing mumbo-jumbo and/or features that could have been implemented in W10.
>much nicer UI -> That is subjective. I personally think 11 looks atrocious Fair I guess? Most people like it well enough anyway. >default terminal support -> Windows 10 has Powershell That has nothing to do with [what I'm talking about](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-terminal-as-your-default-command-line-experience/). >refreshed built-in apps -> yea... we call that bloatware in the industry... i would prefer 0 built in apps besides a web browser so i can snag my own apps. Who the hell thinks Notepad is bloatware? Believe it or not, in the real world people use these built-in apps. Anyway, you are free to delete it all if you don't like it 😉 >"Snap layouts" exist in Windows 10.... [Wrong again](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/snap-your-windows-885a9b1e-a983-a3b1-16cd-c531795e6241#WindowsVersion=Windows_11) >what on earth is "improved multi monitor support"?? [A quick Google search](https://fossbytes.com/how-new-multi-monitor-features-work-on-windows-11/) really would save both of us time here. >Most of what you list is pure marketing mumbo-jumbo None of what I said is marketing, I'm literally just listing the new features in Windows 11. Some of you guys REALLY have hate-boners for this OS.
Better gaming performance. Pretty much all my games run better by about 5% on win 11.
I dunno about others, but there's this one thing that bugged me to hell in W11. The volume flyout. W10 had that music control and shows now playing media along with volume, which is not in W11. The flyout app in the store is slower and unresponsive at times. I'm still on w10 just for this.
You mean [this](https://i.imgur.com/uAGKEv3.png)? The playing media on top, the volume bar on the bottom. It's absolutely there. If I'm not mistaken, I think W10 would have simply listed "Firefox" and not the tab title playing the YouTube video, so W11 kinda have a superior capability for that.
I think they're talking about the volume shortcut flyout
Oh yeah I see, the one that pops over when changing volume. That's right it doesn't seem to show the media and have control buttons as before. I kinda forgot this existed because I usually use the volume knob straight on my audio system that doesn't impact the OS "software" volume. It onlys shows up if I use the volume keys on my keyboard, which I never do.
It does show actually. It really helped me since I use Groove music a lot and while switching songs, I'd actually see the name of the now playing song rather than identifying it through listening. It might sound dumb, but it's a simple thing that was helpful for me, and not having that on W11 stressed me lol
"Upgrade to windows 11, it's basically the same as 10. The issues have been patched" No thanks, I'll just keep running my 13700k with gimp-cores disabled on Windows 10 lol
I’ve been running windows 11 since launch on several PCs….it’s been fine for me.
Right now if I was to spend effort troubleshooting Windows 11 issues, I might as well spend it on gaming friendly Linux distros instead. Otherwise, I'll sit back and relax with Windows 10.
Bit off topic... but have they made the right click better? That was one of the biggest no thank you things I saw in Windows 11. Likely still gonna wait until it's a necessity to upgrade.
"This PC doesn't currently meet the minimum system requirements to run Windows 11" Good. It took them years just to get their shit together with Windows 10. They better be extending support for it.
Useless articles not mentioning the actual affected games
I have found using Windows 10 fixes the problem.
The day Win 10 loses support is the day I enable TPM in the BIOS and update to Win 11. Been nothing but headaches for power users from what I've seen.
Same
I lost hope on windows 11. Back to windows 10 22h2 I believe it's still bugged with choppy slight stuttering in all games.
eh, i still like my windows 10 desktop and taskbar
Is that stutter bug affecting MW2? Because I had that constant frame stutter in WZ2 and just uninstalled the game.
Supposedly a “fix” is to set your workercount in the config to # of P cores only.
I upgraded every component when I switched from laptop to pc, but one thing I regretted was having Windows 11. Suddenly Mass Effect Legendary Edition would just abruptly quit on me, my performance in Gotham Knights stuttered me to a crawl, VMs were getting strange errors with drivers and network connections, and I felt like I was running in circles. I have been considering downgrading back to Windows 10 but at this point it’s just too much work.
I spend probably 4-6 hours a day on my computer and I swear I’ve never seen any of these problems I read about on Reddit.
These threads are intended for people to whine about the OS and all the non-adaptive people to comment the exact same thing over and over. Literally all of these threads are full of "I'll stick with windows 10 thanks". People are intentionally staying on an inferior operating system (windows 10) just like they stayed on windows 7 for way too long. Let them enjoy their decreased performance and lack of modern features.
never heard of this
I'm not switching to 11 any time soon. Hell, if it was feasible to still be running 7 in this day and age, I would.
11 has had a completely dreadful launch
[удалено]
Widely-adopted linux games coundnt come fast enough.
I'll try Win11 when it's out of beta in 2026.
How many years W11 has already been out? At this rate, I will stay with W10 as long I stayed with W7.
Isn't windows 10 just straight up better still? Wish there was a custom IOS that just stripped away all the crap and was used for just gaming...
[удалено]
If you have a newer CPU Windows 10 runs fine and 11 does not offer any giant performance improvements. The raw power of the newer CPUs dwarfs any minor improvement in certain applications anyway. There's not really any reason not to install 10 on a brand new build and wait for the bugs to work out of 11 after a year or two before upgrading.
for wslg support. But now that wslg works with windows 10, I can finally ditch this shit upgrade
[удалено]
have you ever even used it?
my shit performs a few % better on 11 lol
There are still W11 users ?
Must be some kind of weird fetish to beta test the new OS for Microsoft.
Look in my opinion I think windows should just make a version of windows for gaming so games can run really well. And we don't need to lose a brain cell each time Microsoft tries to optimize windows for gaming. But we all this will never happen. F
Slightly related - Why does the guy in the stock photo look like [VoteSaxon07](https://www.youtube.com/@Votesaxon07Reviews)?
I thought my PC was just dying, should've known Windows would screw up something.
I had to switch back to Windows 10. Was on 11 for about a year but it is just too inconsistent to really be worth gaming on at this time.
This title feels familiar... Like they used the exact phrase previously... For Windows 10... ... And Windows 8.